Ford: Oberto is coming; Scola not coming

[TheWriter]

Sorry if I didn't memorize the olympic roster

You don't have to but Oberto was a starter and not to mention the third or 4th (depending where you rank Nocioni) best player on the team.

[spurster]

Now, now, children. Be nice to the newbies.

[ChumpDumper]

The 1.2 and 1.1 million dollars that were paid to Sean Marks and Tony Massenburg last year could have gotten this done.The Spurs only paid a little over half that, the league picks up the rest.

[Spurminator]

Scientific experiments have shown that while most young children do not touch a hot stove after the first burn, in some rare cases a child may continue to touch the stove without understanding the connection. It's baffling, really.

[Extra Stout]

Sorry if I didn't memorize the olympic rosterOberto was only the TEAM CAPTAIN of the 2002 Argentine team in the World Championship which you watched so intently and closely. :lmao

And yes, he was the starting center on the 2004 Olympic team.

Tired of digging this hole yet?

[TheWriter]

Scola>>>>>Oberto


I'll stick with that, even if I don't remember Oberto's game

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


maybe I don't remember his game because Manu and Scola were the 2 main guys

No, you're just stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

I'll stick with that, even if I don't remember Oberto's gameYes, your not seeing or remembering anything ceratinly makes you an authority.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

The league doesn't pick up any of Marks' deal- it wasn't a vet minimum contract. My point was that this buyout clause shouldn't hold an NBA-caliber player back from playing in the NBA.

[Solid D]

This is like trying to tell a blind person the Statue of Liberty is just right over there.

[Kori Ellis]

I will be extremely disappointed in the Spurs aren't able to bring over Scola this year. Pop claimed he was a huge priority. I usually back Holt and commend him in his business dealings but the guy is basically sitting in Europe and aging while we're squabling over a buyout. The 1.2 and 1.1 million dollars that were paid to Sean Marks and Tony Massenburg last year could have gotten this done.

This is now officially Manu's team and I think he would be even more motivated (if that's possible) playing with his sidekick Luis Scola. Oberto is nice and I'm happy with the signing but this seems like nothing more than a consolation prize because the Spurs were too cheap to pay a buyout they've known about for three years now.

Make it happen Buford.


Maybe the Spurs aren't as high on Scola as was let on. Perhaps calling him a "priority" helps them use him as trade bait this summer. The Spurs have always been somewhat skeptical about Scola's size, rebounding and defense in the past.

If the Spurs package Scola's rights along with Nazr or Rasho and get back a good NBA tested player, will you be disappointed?

If the Spurs can't get Scola here for a reasonable contract (i.e. 3year/9M) then I don't see why they should overpay. You know that the Spurs can only contribute about $350K to the buyout, right?

[Extra Stout]

This is like trying to tell a blind person the Statue of Liberty is just right over there.At least somebody is picking up the slack for T Park.

[TheWriter]

LAMOAMALAOAL


it's always funny to be argueing with a bunch of people who don't KNOW SHIT about a player and calling the other person stupid

I am guilty of this also

I love argueing as well.

[waly.mg]

This is now officially Manu's team and I think he would be even more motivated (if that's possible) playing with his sidekick Luis Scola. .

Manu´s sidekick is Oberto, not Scola
Scola is playing with Manu in the national tema since the WC 2002 in Indianapolis and with Oberto since 1999, in Puerto Rico

But the best duo now, is Manu-Scola

In Argentina Oberto is the starter and Scola is the 6th man, but Scola have more minutes and he can finish the games because he have good FT%

[Duncan21]

spurs should forget oberto and get scola

[TheWriter]

please forgive, because your extensive knowlege on Argentina basketball is great

:lol :lol :lol :lol


Dude, don't even try to diss Solid. That guy was posting major scoop on international players before you were crawling.

[ChumpDumper]

The league doesn't pick up any of Marks' deal- it wasn't a vet minimum contract.I don't know if he was renounced last summer or not.
My point was that this buyout clause shouldn't hold an NBA-caliber player back from playing in the NBA.That's probably not the only reason.

[Kori Ellis]

The stupid bitching in this thread needs to stop. Please get back on track. Shawn Michaels, you've been OWNED. Now resume to posting about basketball.

Thanks.

[Solid D]

This now puts the Spurs in a position to have multiple tradeable assets. Tradeable assets that wouldn't negatively impact the Spurs if they received like, or better value. Last year Malik was just about it, and his contract even made that tough.

Now the Spurs have Scola's rights, Rasho or Nazr but not both, maybe Beno, and Devin on a S & T.

[timvp]

This now puts the Spurs in a position to have multiple tradeable assets. Tradeable assets that wouldn't negatively impact the Spurs if they received like, or better value. Last year Malik was just about it, and his contract even made that tough.

Now the Spurs have Scola's rights, Rasho or Nazr but not both, maybe Beno, and Devin on a S & T.

:tu

It's been very quiet around the Spurs the last week. That makes me think something may be up.

Hmmmmmmmm.

[TheWriter]

This now puts the Spurs in a position to have multiple tradeable assets. Tradeable assets that wouldn't negatively impact the Spurs if they received like, or better value. Last year Malik was just about it, and his contract even made that tough.

Now the Spurs have Scola's rights, Rasho or Nazr but not both, maybe Beno, and Devin on a S & T.

Scola, Rasho or Nazr, Beno and Devin??

Heck no.

I'm not sure if that's one big trade or two small ones but that's too much to lose.

[WalterBenitez]

A question (sorry for my ignorance)

How usual is to make a deal with draft rights like Scola's ... Does it have a price? if so ... how much do you estaimated??

[clubalien]

but our main duo will be manu-tim so oberto is actual better for team then scola

[Streakyshooter08]

Now I could imagine a Rasho for Rahim S&T Deal. I am not saying that I would like it but that frontline would be scary: Timmy, Oberto, Nazr, Horry, Rahim
Plus they would still have the MLE for a free agent signing (a SF)... Its going to be interesting...

[ChumpDumper]

A question (sorry for my ignorance)

How usual is to make a deal with draft rights like Scola's ... Does it have a price? if so ... how much do you estaimated??They have no cash value in trade if that's your question.

[gus]

With respect to Argentinean team Manu said many times before Olympics etc., that Oberto was the key to win due to the defense. I do not know if Manu is right but that was what he said. Scola is more a scorer.

Gus

[Extra Stout]

Scola, Rasho or Nazr, Beno and Devin??

Heck no.

I'm not sure if that's one big trade or two small ones but that's too much to lose.It depends who you get back. That looks suspiciously like the kind of trade package you'd put together for a veteran star on a team looking to build around a young nucleus.

[1Parker1]

Damn, 49 members and 59 guests reading this thread alone!

[Kori Ellis]

As I told some of you in chat last week, there has been rumblings of a few possible trade scenarios that include Rasho and Scola's rights that have been floating around for the last two weeks. That's why I kept repeating in the forum that Scola signing in S.A. wasn't a lock. Maybe he still will get signed, but the Spurs aren't going to overpay for him ... so if they can get a good deal, they will.

[WalterBenitez]

there is no ignorance in an honest question

you deserve a ... THANKS

[Extra Stout]

A question (sorry for my ignorance)

How usual is to make a deal with draft rights like Scola's ... Does it have a price? if so ... how much do you estaimated??

If you're asking how much it would count for in a trade, salary-wise, I think it's the NBA minimum for a second-round pick from that year's draft.

I could be wrong.

If the Spurs did an S&T, then the salary for trade purposes would be the first year of that deal, I think.

[clubalien]

in the rasho for SAR i said we would need a back up center and i mentioned oberto and mutombo, so i am happy this might come true, maybe with nazr isn;t of rasho but general idea

[waly.mg]

If SA is going to trade Scola, needs to sign first Oberto because if not, Manu is going to Kick Buford and Pop ass

[Solid D]

A question (sorry for my ignorance)

How usual is to make a deal with draft rights like Scola's ... Does it have a price? if so ... how much do you estaimated??

Walter, 1st Rounders have a fairly set value because there is a scale published on 1st round picks based on 3-year contracts, with the #1 being worth the highest amount and the last pick in the 1st round being worth the lowest (a little under $1M/yr.) Sometimes these are traded for picks, as the Spurs did with PHX with Leandro Barbosa for a 1st rounder in a future year - TBD.

2nd Rounders, as was mentioned can range from the league minimum for a player to whatever.

Walter, look in here for an article that addresses your question partially.

http://www.draftcity.com/viewarticle.php?a=98

[clubalien]

what allstars or super stars are on the block?
i mentioned some i woudl wanter earielr but pretty sure most aren't on trading block

[WalterBenitez]

If you're asking how much it would count for in a trade, salary-wise, I think it's the NBA minimum for a second-round pick from that year's draft.

I could be wrong.

If the Spurs did an S&T, then the salary for trade purposes would be the first year of that deal, I think.

That was my doubt, thanks for answering it ... btw I can't stop pointing out how smart is Spurs' Managerial Team, SA has a lot options open at this moment.

I think this a good assets, besides the roster.

[Streakyshooter08]

I heard of Paul Pierce beeing on the block. But I doubt that will happen. I think the Spurs should just sign a long and young 3 (if there is one out there) or maybe bring bigdog back with the MLE. That team would be very good.

Nazr/ Rasho
Tim/ Horry/ Oberto
Bowen/ Robinson
Gino/ Barry/ maybe Brown
Parker/ Udrih

[WalterBenitez]

Walter, look in here for an article that addresses your question partially.
http://www.draftcity.com/viewarticle.php?a=98

Thanks for url ... the article clarify me a lot!!! :spin

[spurjur]

There are rumors that some teams might cut some players with huge contracts. The Spurs may go that route if the opportunity arises.

[Solid D]

I'm glad it helped.

BTW, Oberto will definitely have an adjustment period on goaltending. He's only known FIBA. Expect a few back-atcha's on the downward arc early-on next season. :smokin

[timvp]

Now it is easy to see why Scola wasn't drafted higher. If you drafted him in the first round, there's no way he could have bought himself out of the contract using the rookie scale wages. Scola would have been stuck there until next season or the season after -- depending on how long his contract is. No one is going to draft a player that has to sit in Europe for FIVE years.

That is how he went from a late first round prospect to a late second round prospect. In fact, there's been reports that Scola and his agent were upset that Scola was drafted in the second round. They knew that if a team held his rights, it'd be a lot harder to ever buy out the contract.

[Mr. Body]

Don't forget that, should Scola's rights be traded, they'd most likely go to a team with cap room to buy him out immediately. There might be teams prepared to wait another year for him, but I anticipate they'd want him sooner.

[clubalien]

alanta hawks, the new expansion team? who else fits that mold, clevland?

not sure of all the fa teams

[spurschick]

This is now officially Manu's team and I think he would be even more motivated (if that's possible) playing with his sidekick Luis Scola.

Officially according to whom? I don't think Tim got that memo.

Manu knows this is a business and he'll play with whoever Pop and R.C. put around him. It's not like he needs any of his friends from the national team to come hold his hand. I'm sure he's just as thrilled to have Oberto join the team. And there is still lots of time to sign Scola - nothing is definite that he's out.

[timvp]

I've read that Manu and Oberto are close. I've never read that Manu and Scola are good friends or anything.

[FromWayDowntown]

It depends who you get back. That looks suspiciously like the kind of trade package you'd put together for a veteran star on a team looking to build around a young nucleus.

I'd frankly be very surprised if the Spurs dumped all of their tradeable assets into a single package, or if they went after a super-star caliber player. With Tim, Manu, and Tony needing shots, the Spurs don't have much room to add another "needs the ball" type of scorer. Unless one of the big 3 is going elsewhere -- which I'd doubt -- I can't see the Spurs making a run at a guy like Pierce, unless Pop and R.C. have plumb lost their minds.

I think the aggregation of tradeable assets is significant because it gives the Spurs some flexibility to approach teams that have the pieces the Spurs need and make offers tailored to those teams needs or desires. You have a long 3 that you're willing to deal? We can offer you a center, or a PF prospect, or a promising wing, or a young point. Or we can offer you a center and a PF prospect; or a PF and a promising wing; or a center and a promising wing; or a promising wing and a young point.

If you're just looking for pieces, you don't need to aggregate a ton of salaries to get that piece -- particularly now that the trading rules allow a 25% + $100K salary margin in trades.

[wildbill2u]

As I told some of you in chat last week, there has been rumblings of a few possible trade scenarios that include Rasho and Scola's rights that have been floating around for the last two weeks. That's why I kept repeating in the forum that Scola signing in S.A. wasn't a lock. Maybe he still will get signed, but the Spurs aren't going to overpay for him ... so if they can get a good deal, they will.

Kori, wouldn't packaging those two players into one trade be a blockbuster deal that would perforce mean a damn fine player coming back.

I don't think you'd trade for a draft pick--unless it was the clippers or Atlanta and you figure the pick is a lottery lock. :lol

[Solid D]

I've read that Manu and Oberto are close. I've never read that Manu and Scola are good friends or anything.

I read somewhere that Manu's closest friend was Gaby Fernandez.

[SequSpur]

Scola and Rasho to Portland for SAR and AD sign and trade.

[T Park]

Scola and Rasho to Portland for SAR and AD sign and trade

why exactly would Portland sign then trade Antonio Daniels???

He didnt even play for them last year.

[SequSpur]

To get Scola and Rasho plus throw in Beno and a bag of chips.

Duh.

[timvp]

why exactly would Portland sign then trade Antonio Daniels???

He didnt even play for them last year.

He's on a roll. Don't stop him.

[grjr]

The words Germans and Pearl Harbor come to mind.

[Kori Ellis]

I have a question for Argentineans (or whoever knows) does Fabricio have a nickname? Or do people actually call him Fabricio?

[Rick Von Braun]

In fact, there's been reports that Scola and his agent were upset that Scola was drafted in the second round. They knew that if a team held his rights, it'd be a lot harder to ever buy out the contract.
This is logical from a business point of view. As a player, if you don't get a guarantee contract in the first round, you are better off not being selected in the 2nd round. You are immediatelly considered a FA from that point forward, and you can negotiate with any team, not just one team.

As a free agent, you have more flexibility to negotiate with any team, under any conditions you want.

[Sense]

The stupid bitching in this thread needs to stop. Please get back on track. Shawn Michaels, you've been OWNED. Now resume to posting about basketball.

Thanks.

I liked that Sentence.
:spin

[Gino2882]

Here is ESPN story. Mentions the fact that Oberto could be the starting center, which is a little insane to me.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2107750

[Sense]

Here is ESPN story. Mentions the fact that Oberto could be the starting center, which is a little insane to me.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2107750

I'll be surprised if that wasn't posted in the 13 pages.

[IamZardoz]

I still think the Spurs will not trade Rasho! Nazr is going to command big money after this season, since he is obviously better than Dampier and he got 80 million. There's no way Peter Holt is going to pay the Luxury tax. Once we let Nazr go, Rasho will be needed.

Exactly.

[drivanroca]

I have a question for Argentineans (or whoever knows) does Fabricio have a nickname? Or do people actually call him Fabricio?

"Fabri"

[Kori Ellis]

"Fabri"

Thanks.

[ChumpDumper]

How big are salted, cured meats in Argentina?
http://www.oberto.com/_img/about_us/car.jpg
The mind reels at the marketing opportunities....

Feel free to photoshop an Argie flag on there.

[drivanroca]

Oberto playing:

http://www.fabrioberto.com/multimedia/otras/008.jpg

(I know, I suck)



I have a question for Argentineans (or whoever knows) does Fabricio have a nickname? Or do people actually call him Fabricio?

Kurt Cobain??? :lol :spin :king

[Mr. Body]

He favors Jude Law from angles.

[spurschick]

"Fabri"

Fabri? Hmmm... that's just not rolling off my tongue. There has to be another nickname or something out there.

[Duncanoypi]

whats the listed height of Oberto?

[spurschick]

whats the listed height of Oberto?

6'10"

[Gino2882]

ESPN said barely 6'10 with shoes.

The only this signing is good to me is if the Spurs land a SF or Antonio Daniels with the MLE. because I think Scola is a better player.

[TheWriter]

ESPN said barely 6'10 with shoes.

The only this signing is good to me is if the Spurs land a SF or Antonio Daniels with the MLE. because I think Scola is a better player.

Patrick Ewing was like 6'9 with shoes and he is a HoF center and one of the all time greats.

[50 cent]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout




The luxury tax threshold will be well over $60 million. The Spurs won't approach that level.




Quote:
Originally Posted by spurjur




You're serious? I seriously doubt it will be well over $60 million. It was @ $43.5 million this past season. You're saying that it will go up $16.5 million this next year? Are you OK?




Quote:




Whatever dude. If you were to read my questions correctly and that goes for Kori as well. I asked what was the "salary" cap going to be this season. I never mentioned "luxury."


Look, if you don't know enough about the NBA collective bargaining agreement to understand the difference between the salary cap and the luxury tax threshold, a failure that clearly has been captured above, then you really ought to keep your strong opinions to yourself. You don't know what you're talking about. Others of us do. Shut up.
:lmao :lmao :lmao

Thanks for owning this dude while I finished working and then came home and took a nap. Some of you guys are just absolutely clueless and form opinions on players you have never seen and propose salary cap ideas when you know nothing about the CBA. Do yourselves a favor and know what you are talking about around here or you will continue to be owned when posting nonsense.

:smokin

[BlueShark#6]

P.S. I don't think that Oberto's signing makes Rasho expendable. Oberto is a rather pedestrian big man. He sucks at free throws, too, which should help him fit right in

Remember, Spurs just signed one of if not the best shooting coaches in the league...This team will be above average from the stripe next season.

[chaco]

http://www.fabrioberto.com/fotos/olim01.jpg

http://www.fabrioberto.com/fotos/olim03.jpg

from

http://www.fabrioberto.com

[TheWriter]

http://www.fabrioberto.com/fotos/olim03.jpg


He's gangsta.

[Sandman52]

Offer the Logo either Nazr or Rasho for Battier. The perfect Spur.

[50 cent]

Remember, Spurs just signed one of if not the best shooting coaches in the league...This team will be above average from the stripe next season.

:lol I'll believe it when I see it. There is something in the water in SA that makes players unable to shoot well from the line. :lol

[Mr. Body]

My girlfriend - the Knicks fan - was laughing that he had a gold tooth looking at some pictures of him and I denied it was capped. But no... dude really is thugged out.

[clubalien]

channel 29 is reporting that a team mate of manus will be joining the spurs

[clubalien]

they just said he is from the euro league

[beck253]

Oberto has just said in an argentinean newspaper that he had a "pre-arrangement" signed with the team long ago and that the Spurs decided to "execute" it now...

[midgetonadonkey]

He's gangsta.

My grandma had a tooth like that, I guess she was gangsta too.
:lol

[bpl]

now that we are going sign aberto.should we trade rasho now for a good player or wait a year and take a chance on his value going down?

[FromWayDowntown]

gosh, that one hasn't been discussed anywhere today.

[Guru of Nothing]

now that we are going sign aberto.should we trade rasho now for a good player or wait a year and take a chance on his value going down?


Who is WE?

[timvp]

*Merged*

[Kori Ellis]

Oberto has just said in an argentinean newspaper that he had a "pre-arrangement" signed with the team long ago and that the Spurs decided to "execute" it now...

I heard that from my reporter friend in Argentina. I believe a pre-arrangement is completely illegal, so he probably shouldn't have said that.

[Guru of Nothing]

I heard that from my reporter friend in Argentina. I believe a pre-arrangement is completely illegal, so he probably shouldn't have said that.

I assume it's all okay so long as nobody put their John Hancock to it (a la Joe Smith).

[Kori Ellis]

He also told the reporter that there are some details left that they are still arranging, but it's being finalized. He said that he's been told since he was 21 that he was coming to the NBA, but now he's is so close that it feels very special.

[clubalien]

its not like he was for draft, but i was wondeirng if it was allowed too, i was going to post is that even allowed, but i figured the spurs wouldn;t cheat like the twolves did and lose draft picks for years

but anyways if they did FIRE POP

but surely SHAQ and other teams have did more tampering

I even asked before about MANU influsencing his agent not to have suns sign bell

[timvp]

He also told the reporter that there are some details left that they are still arranging, but it's being finalized. He said that he's been told since he was 21 that he was coming to the NBA, but now he's is so close that it feels very special.

Yeah, when he was 21 he was one of the better Argentine players in the 1996 Olympics. Ten years later, he finally makes the big time.

Congrats.

[Guru of Nothing]

I heard that from my reporter friend in Argentina. I believe a pre-arrangement is completely illegal, so he probably shouldn't have said that.

Perhaps negotiations with Manu went so extraordinarily smooth last year just because of this.

CIA Manu!

[Knoxville Spur]

I think the Oberto signing is great. He looks like a bargain to me. With Nazr and Rasho as competition, I say he is an even bet to start and should earn significant minutes.

Who knows what will happen with Scola, but we hold all the cards in that situation.

I do not know why some think Nazr has trade value. With one year left on his contract why would anyone want him, then have go unrestricted next summer? I think we ride him out. I am not a fan of his offensive game and habit of getting stripped or fumbling passes repeatedly. We can do better but he's not a bad player to have on the roster.

Rasho has more trade value since he is locked into his deal. But his stock is low, so I am thinking why would anyone help us by taking on his contract and giving a player we want (Rahim)? Then again, 7-footers of even his moderate (at best) skill level are always in demand. Portland could probably use him and their cap management has always been weak. This is a difficult call, but I think he stays another year at least. I think he is capable of playing better than he did last year. He is a nice problem to have.

I think SAR or AD would be great additions. AD was a stud in the playoffs and plays great D. He would be worth the MLE. SAR could come in a Rasho deal (or MLE?) but would be well worth it. You don't pass on a career 20 point scorer still in his 20s.

As several have said before, we are in a great position. I have faith that the brass will improve the team while continuing their cap mastery. It is also a safe bet that we won't add any clowns that would tarnish our great image and hurt team chemistry.

Does anyone know how we are paying Horry? I guess he does not count against the MLE since he is resigning with the same team? What a great pickup he was!

Oberto = 6' 10" in bare feet (barely): Come on, that is tall! Many NBA players heights are overstated 1/2 to 1.5 inches. Everyone rounds up, and some of those heights are with shoes. He is probably within an inch height of Duncan, who looked like the biggest guy on the court throughout the playoffs (other than that big lug Jerome James). I think this guy will surprise the skeptics, although he could lose the gay headband!

[clubalien]

some people like contracts that expire to clear cap space

[manubili]

I've been watching oberto since 1999, and IMO, he's better than Scola.
The bad thing is that he's older. I'm happy for him, because this was one of his last chances to get to the nba, and he made it.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's the start center. Manu and Oberto were, and will be, great playing together.

[clubalien]

yeah i don't get why people are sad we got oberto he is better then scola, i wanted him awhile back

[TheTruth]

the more long haired argentines the better!

[TheTruth]

I do not know why some think Nazr has trade value. With one year left on his contract why would anyone want him, then have go unrestricted next summer?
Teams with cap problems would sell their mothers for the chance to get a skilled center with an expiring contract.

[slayermin]

Scola>Oberto

[TMTTRIO]

Interesting Pic

http://www.fabrioberto.com/multimedia/imagenes/imagen_03.jpg

[Spurologist]

Interesting Pic

http://www.fabrioberto.com/multimedia/imagenes/imagen_03.jpg

Tim: "I'll be seing you in a spurs jersey"

I didn't know Timmy = nostradamus

[hendrix]

Interesting Pic

http://www.fabrioberto.com/multimedia/imagenes/imagen_03.jpg

"we kicked your butts, didnt we?"

[FromWayDowntown]

I heard that from my reporter friend in Argentina. I believe a pre-arrangement is completely illegal, so he probably shouldn't have said that.

I don't see why a prearranged deal with a player who is not in the NBA would be illegal.

The Joe Smith situation allowed the Timberwolves to circumvent the salary cap by artificially lowering his salary one year in exchange for an agreement to raise it substantially in later years. It is against the rules of the CBA because it affected the ability of other teams to negotiate in good faith to obtain Smith's services while allowing the Timberwolves to develop means to pay Smith a greater salary than they otherwise could have.

Here, the Spurs made a deal that is, in essence, little different than a pre-arranged deal to draft a certain player in a particular spot. If there was a deal with Oberto, that deal didn't allow the Spurs to circumvent the salary cap while getting the benefit of Oberto's play. If there was a deal, it was simply a deal that Oberto would listen to the Spurs first or that the Spurs would make an offer to Oberto in a particular year. If they had paid Oberto in the past or something like that, then there are big problems. But if they just had an agreement to make an offer in the future, I can't see the problem.

[ChumpDumper]

If Kori says you've been owned, it is so.

Take it like a man.

[beirmeistr]

Maybe Tim's hunched over or something, but in that photo, Tim and Oberto appear to be the same size.
I read in Oberto's website that his wife just had a baby girl on July 6, 2005. The baby's name is Julia.

[Marcus Bryant]

Well, if he isn't as tall as TD he's about an inch shorter.

[beirmeistr]

I have a question for Argentineans (or whoever knows) does Fabricio have a nickname? Or do people actually call him Fabricio?
In the thread about Argentinean article on Oberto, he is called el Cordobes, or Cordobez. The only Cordobez I can think of is the famous Spanish bullfoghter from the 50s or 60s.

[hendrix]

In the thread about Argentinean article on Oberto, he is called el Cordobes, or Cordobez. The only Cordobez I can think of is the famous Spanish bullfoghter from the 50s or 60s.

No no no... "Cordobes" means "from Cordoba", which is an argentine province (and also an spanish region). The bullfighter was really nicknamed "Cordobes" (not very clever) but newspapers articles (at least in Argentina) a lot of time remark players origins as a way to avoid repeating words (names).
Manu is sometimes referenced as "el bahiense".

Sorry for the lame post, just to clarify this...

[smeagol]

no one has been owned


Scola is still better then Oberto
:rolleyes

[Sense]

no one has been owned


Scola is still better then Oberto
YOU HAVE BEEN OWNED...shh

[beirmeistr]

No no no... "Cordobes" means "from Cordoba", which is an argentine province (and also an spanish region). The bullfighter was really nicknamed "Cordobes" (not very clever) but newspapers articles (at least in Argentina) a lot of time remark players origins as a way to avoid repeating words (names).
Manu is sometimes referenced as "el bahiense".

Sorry for the lame post, just to clarify this...
Thank you for the clarification. Would you consider that a nickname for Oberto?

[hendrix]

Thank you for the clarification. Would you consider that a nickname for Oberto?

Which one? Cordobes? No way...
"Fabri" might do it, but it's the kind of nickname the mother probably used to call him in the house.

[Money316]

Which one? Cordobes? No way...
"Fabri" might do it, but it's the kind of nickname the mother probably used to call him in the house.

Who cares - all I wanta to know is there any chance this white chocolate any closer to signing with the Spurs. If not, is this fool's rights mo likely to be traded? If so, please take big ass Rasho with yo sorry ass.

:fro :fro :fro

Actually, after 9,000+ just wanted to keep this sucka goin.

[Taking it to the Hole]

Can you really make a nickname out of Fabricio? Maybe Fabric? What about Fabulous Fabricio? Hmm, not too good. Maybe we should work on his last name? :lol

[Kori Ellis]

His nickname is Fabri.

[Streakyshooter08]

He looks as tall as Timmy on that pic. So I don't think he will be "undersized" for a center. (Just because some posters thought he might be too short for a 5.)

[Jamtas]

Can you really make a nickname out of Fabricio? Maybe Fabric? What about Fabulous Fabricio? Hmm, not too good. Maybe we should work on his last name? :lol

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[Solid D]

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:lol

http://www.24sec.net/images/lib/Legal%20photos/Spain/Fabricio_Oberto.jpg

Fabri in a tender Spanish League moment.

[waly.mg]

What I am going to say is that, when Manu is fouled, now it is going to have somebody is going to go by him, probably Oberto is going to be the Avenger of Manu