Sony PlayStatioon 4

[Venti Quattro]

:lol X-Box One

[Reck]

Are you getting it on launch day? I was planning on waiting at least a year but I'm getting excited about this piece.

The 399 price tag has alot to do with my peaked interest. Its what I paid for the PS3 two years after it dropped so no need to wait for a price drop this time.

I'm worried about getting a defective console though. I want to get it but also want to avoid getting RROD'D.

[Xevious]

Microsoft pretty much made this an easy decision. Regardless, I'll wait before picking it up.

[DJ Mbenga]

399 sounds fine but its gonna take a bit extra to get the ps plus and battlefield 4. gonna have to save and then some.

[SupremeGuy]

Fuck, I'm so close to pre-ordering it already. I want to see what's up with my friends and the general populace first.

[Cry Havoc]

Sticking with PC this time around. Esp. since Ps4 and X1 are running on x86 architecture.

[CuckingFunt]

PS4 has always been my horse, but the paucity of launch titles is still enough to keep me from jumping in the race right away. Watch Dogs is the only launch title that really interests me, and it's one I can play without buying a new console.

[baseline bum]

I still can't picture going with either of these consoles over PC next generation. The thing that switched me over to consoles in the X360/PS3 generation was the shitty quality of PC ports of sports games, but that won't be an issue now that all the consoles are PCs.

[lefty]

PS shitting on XBOX, nothing new, move along, people

[SourCandy]

Where's the "lol consoles" ?

:depressed

[Cane]

I like the PS4's curbstomping but the launch titles don't do much for me, and I'd rather have Battlefield on the PC anyway

[Wild Cobra]

I'll buy a PS4 when the next release of Gran Turismo requires it. Till then, I'll wait.

[Reck]

I'll buy a PS4 when the next release of Gran Turismo requires it. Till then, I'll wait.

If racing Sims is what you're into why not get a trapbox? They pump out a Forza game yearly.

There wont be a GT game for the next gen for a long time. They're making GT6 for the PS3 and it will come out this Holiday.

[IronMaxipad]

http://abload.de/img/ps46fo9h.gif

[Wild Cobra]

If racing Sims is what you're into why not get a trapbox? They pump out a Forza game yearly.

There wont be a GT game for the next gen for a long time. They're making GT6 for the PS3 and it will come out this Holiday.
Saves me from buying a new console.

[The Reckoning]

imo PS4 isnt blowing me away either. pretty much their main selling point is used game non restrictions and linking games to the vita, which i wont even buy.

the xbox one doesn't look all too bad if they just take away the 24 hour update requirement.

overall, im pissed at how consoles turned out. i was expecting them to focus more on hardware, customization, simplicity and internet access. that's all i want out of a console. all the other shit they throw in i can rig it up myself.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Saves me from buying a new console.

how would u compared racing sim games on the consoles and pc? does the pc even have any good racing sim games?

[J.T.]

The 399 price tag has alot to do with my peaked interest. Its what I paid for the PS3 two years after it dropped so no need to wait for a price drop this time.

Piqued interest.

Don't worry, the internet gets this one wrong 99% of the time.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm downloading the free GT6 demo now...

I think it will be some time before I buy a PS4.

link: Download GT6 Demo today (http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2013/07/02/download-gran-turismo-6-demo-today/):


Hello everyone. If you were on PlayStation Blog last week you may be aware that it’s a big day if you are a Gran Turismo fan or fancy yourself as a Sebastian Vettel in the making.

Why? Well, today the free playable demo for Gran Turismo 6 is published on PlayStation Store. The demo is packed with new game content and is your first opportunity to get hands on with Gran Turismo 6 – due to hit the shops in Winter 2013.

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In participating countries* the demo could also be your once-in-a-lifetime chance of a fully-fledged racing career with Nissan – as it is the entry route for the innovative GT Academy competition that takes Gran Turismo players on the incredible journey from the sofa to the Le Mans racetrack.

[InRareForm]

I think sony stock.will go up to 45 by end.of.2014

[leemajors]

OS overhead consumes nearly half of PS4's 8GB RAM:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/report-os-overhead-takes-up-3-5gb-of-ps4s-8gb-of-ram/

:lol

[lefty]

Ugly TBH

Then in 4 years they will release a slimmer, sexier version of the PS4

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol ppl complaining about the price, but have no problem spending the same amount on a new smart phone where they going to replce every 2-3 years

while the ps4 could last up to a decade...just like the ps3

[Wild Cobra]

how would u compared racing sim games on the consoles and pc? does the pc even have any good racing sim games?

I don't think any PC out there compares to a special purpose computer, dedicated to gaming.

My remark meant I didn't need to buy the PS4 is GT6 was coming out for the PS3. Looks like I don't need to upgrade till GT7 comes out.

Now I have contemplated buying a new PC, I don't need to, but is I could find one that boots in under 5 seconds...

[TDMVPDPOY]

the system exterior...looks like a piece of shit whoever design it...why couldnt they just give us a slim version or a metallic version...

[DJ Mbenga]

OS overhead consumes nearly half of PS4's 8GB RAM:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/report-os-overhead-takes-up-3-5gb-of-ps4s-8gb-of-ram/

:lol

this report has come under criticism by developers. not sure its accurate, according to some. probably does need some to run the OS.

[MannyIsGod]

Vita TV just made PS4 even better. Assuming it works well.

[leemajors]

Vita TV just made PS4 even better. Assuming it works well.

might be cannibalizing their own sales, but we'll see I guess.

[MannyIsGod]

Well the money isn't in the console.

[leemajors]

Well the money isn't in the console.

doesn't seem like there is a lot of money in the vita ecosystem either. i mean, it sounds like a neat device, but I guess i really don't see the advantage of it over an apple tv or roku.

[MannyIsGod]

Never used either of those but my PS3 is an excellent streamer so if this can do what hte PS3 does (and I expect it to) then I'll be happy. The big point is in the fact that it can remote play the PS4 though.

[IronMaxipad]

Anyone know any places still taking preorders? Knew i shouldn't have waited so long. :depressed

[IronMaxipad]

Amazon opened up preorders this morning managed to snag one. :hungry:

[MannyIsGod]

Launch day?

[IronMaxipad]

Launch day?
Yeah. Battlefield 4 bundle.

http://i.imgur.com/Xyq5sMQ.jpg

...well it says "launch bundle" hopefully it is launch. Killzone bundle was available too.

[MannyIsGod]

Nice dude. I just got regular no game bundle back in July or whatever. Is it full price for the game + system or isthere a small discount?

[IronMaxipad]

Really small discount, $20 off basically. Console + BF4 + 1 year of ps+

[MannyIsGod]

Still good. I'm getting BF4 when it comes out on the PS3 then just doing the 10 dollar upgrade.

[Brunodf]

:depressed U$1800,00 in Brazil

[Suspect]

^:lmao

[IronMaxipad]

Gamestop has DS4's available now in store

[symple19]

lol consoles

[leemajors]

will not play blu-ray or DVDs out of box:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/25/5028180/playstation-4-wont-play-blu-rays-or-dvds-out-of-the-box

[DJR210]

will not play blu-ray or DVDs out of box:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/25/5028180/playstation-4-wont-play-blu-rays-or-dvds-out-of-the-box


I'll never have to mess with drivers (and its not that its hard - its that I don't have to do it because I don't want to), service packs for an OS, config files, or anything else that I would have to mess with on a PC.

:lol Day 1 Mandatory update
:lol Sounds a lot like a service pack/driver update
:lol Console lemming


lol consoles

[MannyIsGod]

Oh shit, console lemming! Good one, bro! Internet high five!

[MannyIsGod]

Oh shit I forgot to add :lol :lol :lol :lol !!!!!!!!!!!!

[DJR210]

:rollin

[Suspect]

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/

LMAO @ not supporting mp3s... :(

[DJR210]

:lol Can't play audio CD's
:lol Must sell either 20,000,000 units or be on the market for 2 years before you can get the game at a discount
:lol Can't mod your own games, must pay for any new content
:lol DDR5 memory taking the PS4 to the next level
:lol Day 1 update causing huge network problems on launch
:lol Having to pay for online services
:lol Crappy APU
:lol 1800.00 in Brazil
:lol MannyisGod and NASpurs on suicide watch after me or Symple19 post

[lefty]

:lol Can't play audio CD's

:lol Can't mod your own games, must pay for any new content

:lol Having to pay for online services


lolnottrue

[DJR210]

lolnottrue

:lol denial

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Sony
:lol Nintendo still running train on the console world

[resistanze]

:lol Can't play audio CD's
:lol Must sell either 20,000,000 units or be on the market for 2 years before you can get the game at a discount
:lol Can't mod your own games, must pay for any new content
:lol DDR5 memory taking the PS4 to the next level
:lol Day 1 update causing huge network problems on launch
:lol Having to pay for online services
:lol Crappy APU
:lol 1800.00 in Brazil
:lol MannyisGod and NASpurs on suicide watch after me or Symple19 post

Jesus, that's the worst smack talk list ever
:lol no DLNA
:lol no mp3
:lol no external HD support

That's MUCH better

[DJR210]

:lol Nintendo still running train on the console world 90% of the consumers are soccer moms buying for their elementary aged children. Not a great stat tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

If the PS4 is not going to support media servers I have to seriously consider not buying one. Just inexcuseable. Don't care too much about mp3 playback but I use my PS3 for a shit ton of media streaming. Not having it is a real bullshit move, IMO.

[IronMaxipad]

Yoshida's response..

http://i.imgur.com/ofv7DJl.jpg

Hope that means it will come in a future update..

[Jacob1983]

I saw the PS4 controller in the back tonight while I was working and I was not impressed. I'm surprised we already have the controllers. I haven't seen the actual systems in the back. They probably won't get those until a week or two before the launch. Anyways, the PS4 controller looked like it was too wide and the distance from the d-pad to the square, circle, x, and triangle buttons is too far. And Sony ripped off the built in speaker from the Wii Remote. Why the fuck do you need a speaker in a PS4 controller?

[IronMaxipad]

http://i.imgur.com/MSStusq.jpg

:lmao

[IronMaxipad]

I saw the PS4 controller in the back tonight while I was working and I was not impressed. I'm surprised we already have the controllers. I haven't seen the actual systems in the back. They probably won't get those until a week or two before the launch. Anyways, the PS4 controller looked like it was too wide and the distance from the d-pad to the square, circle, x, and triangle buttons is too far. And Sony ripped off the built in speaker from the Wii Remote. Why the fuck do you need a speaker in a PS4 controller?

Almost everyone that has used the ds4 said the control is way better than ds3. Some even say it's better than the 360 control. I haven't used it but the thing i hated about the ds3 was the analog sticks and the triggers both of which look much improved on the ds4

http://i.imgur.com/QztehsPh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/N7xTcOXh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2b9rV0Hh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DSlHGSfh.jpg

[DJR210]

Good news for you PS4 people..

http://m.techradar.com/news/gaming/call-of-duty-ghosts-offers-native-1080p-graphics-on-ps4-only-720p-on-xbox-one-1195090

[Suspect]

supposedly all/most games are gonna be like that

[DJR210]

supposedly all/most games are gonna be like that

Sucks for Xbox One. 1440p, 1600p, and 2160p are all going to become more relevant sometime in the near future, and 1080p is already a problem.

[Suspect]

what happen to 4k?

[leemajors]

ars goes over ps4 faq:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/10/17-things-we-learned-from-sonys-massive-ps4-faq/#p3


The PS4 can’t stream audio and video files from a PC over DLNA

Another PS3 media feature that’s missing from the PS4 is the lack of DLNA support, which will be disappointing to anyone who planned to use their PS4 as a media hub for their living room. These days, chances are good that you have some other devices hooked up to your TV that do largely the same thing. Still, it’s a disappointing rollback.

[DJR210]

what happen to 4k?

2160p aka "4k"

[TDMVPDPOY]

ars goes over ps4 faq:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/10/17-things-we-learned-from-sonys-massive-ps4-faq/#p3

most smart tvs these days can have usb ports that can read any external hard drive

it has made the ps3/4 obsolete as a media hub

smart tv features and websurfing interfacing>>>console
hence even a htpc is not needed for the smart tv, unless you plan to game on ur smart tv with the pc

[MannyIsGod]

There are other ways to do it, but DLNA to a console is one of the huge benefits of having a console on that TV. I don't want to have a seperate device to do that when a fucking 7 year old console can do it just fine. I don't want to have to fuck with moving an extrnal hard drive to a TV when I have a networked computer with a media server on it that can stream DLNA video to a fucking console. This is a HUGE fuck up for me because I use my PS3 just as much for movie watching (not all DLNA - a lot on amazon and netflix) as I do for gaming. Not having MP3 support doens't really matter to me but its also pretty fucking stupid.

[resistanze]

There are other ways to do it, but DLNA to a console is one of the huge benefits of having a console on that TV. I don't want to have a seperate device to do that when a fucking 7 year old console can do it just fine. I don't want to have to fuck with moving an extrnal hard drive to a TV when I have a networked computer with a media server on it that can stream DLNA video to a fucking console. This is a HUGE fuck up for me because I use my PS3 just as much for movie watching (not all DLNA - a lot on amazon and netflix) as I do for gaming. Not having MP3 support doens't really matter to me but its also pretty fucking stupid.

Isn't DLNA a standard created by SONY? It's a really dumb move and certainly intentional.

And I used mp3s to make custom soundtracks for some games (e.g. GT5). I mean I don't know why you'd play audio CDs in your PS4 (or at all), but still - why take this feature out? Can't all modern blu-ray players play audio CDs?

[baseline bum]

Good news for you PS4 people..

http://m.techradar.com/news/gaming/call-of-duty-ghosts-offers-native-1080p-graphics-on-ps4-only-720p-on-xbox-one-1195090

Does anyone here even know anyone who wants an XBox One? Unless one of their exclusives is a game that makes Mischa Brooks jump out my TV to blow me on my couch, I think I'll pass on Microsoft's bullshit.

LOL Redmond

[DJR210]

Does anyone here even know anyone who wants an XBox One? Unless one of their exclusives is a game that makes Mischa Brooks jump out my TV to blow me on my couch, I think I'll pass on Microsoft's bullshit.

LOL Redmond

The only thing I like about the Xbox One is the controller, but Sony has bridged some of the gap w/ the DS4.

Also..

:lol PS4 Battlefield 4 running at 900p upscaled
:lol "next gen"

[DJR210]

most smart tvs these days can have usb ports that can read any external hard drive

it has made the ps3/4 obsolete as a media hub

smart tv features and websurfing interfacing>>>console
hence even a htpc is not needed for the smart tv, unless you plan to game on ur smart tv with the pc

The PS4 allows you to swap out the HDD for a larger one as long as it fits. 500 GB will fill QUICK if you download all of your games, and purchase movies, etc.

[Suspect]

Isn't DLNA a standard created by SONY? It's a really dumb move and certainly intentional.

And I used mp3s to make custom soundtracks for some games (e.g. GT5). I mean I don't know why you'd play audio CDs in your PS4 (or at all), but still - why take this feature out? Can't all modern blu-ray players play audio CDs?
Because they want to push their Music Unlimited service. Which is actually a pretty good service as far as paying for music. It's just like ps+... pay for all this music and you can listen to it anywhere/anytime (phone app) but once your sub is up you dont "own" that music anymore...just like the free games you get on ps+

I wouldn't care if wasn't for the fact that this service doesn't have video game soundtracks, some underground music, etc. Cause it would save a lot of hard drive space on my ps4,phone and vita, and save time transferring music between devices.

[leemajors]

There are other ways to do it, but DLNA to a console is one of the huge benefits of having a console on that TV. I don't want to have a seperate device to do that when a fucking 7 year old console can do it just fine. I don't want to have to fuck with moving an extrnal hard drive to a TV when I have a networked computer with a media server on it that can stream DLNA video to a fucking console. This is a HUGE fuck up for me because I use my PS3 just as much for movie watching (not all DLNA - a lot on amazon and netflix) as I do for gaming. Not having MP3 support doens't really matter to me but its also pretty fucking stupid.

They may cave and add it, wasn't it added via fw update after launch on ps3?

[IronMaxipad]

It will be added in a post launch update.. book it.

plus:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88180903&postcount=3170

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88183015&postcount=3183

[symple19]

Boy, am I excited!

[DJR210]

Boy, am I excited!

This. Truly groundbreaking technology tbh.

[Wild Cobra]

Sucks for Xbox One. 1440p, 1600p, and 2160p are all going to become more relevant sometime in the near future, and 1080p is already a problem.
I agree.

what happen to 4k?
4k is 2160p.

HD = 720p (1280 x 720)

FHD = 1080p (1920 x 1080)

QHD = 1440p (2560 x 1440)

UHD (4K) = 2160p (3840 x 2160)

1600p is not a TV standard (16:9) but a wide computer standard (16:10) and is 2560 x 1600. WQXGA...

[Jacob1983]

Might be better off sticking with your PS3 or XBOX 360.

[TDMVPDPOY]

I agree.

4k is 2160p.

HD = 720p (1280 x 720)

FHD = 1080p (1920 x 1080)

QHD = 1440p (2560 x 1440)

UHD (4K) = 2160p (3840 x 2160)

1600p is not a TV standard (16:9) but a wide computer standard (16:10) and is 2560 x 1600. WQXGA...

4k tv still expensive, lol they bringin out 4k camcorders...wtf is going to buy one...

[DJR210]

4k tv still expensive

Seiki would like to have a word w/ you.

39" Ultra HD - 699.00

http://www.amazon.com/Seiki-Digital-SE39UY04-39-Inch-Ultra/dp/B00DOPGO2G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1383765661&sr=8-2&keywords=seiki

50" Ultra HD - 1118.57

http://www.amazon.com/Seiki-Digital-SE50UY04-50-Inch-120Hz/dp/B00BXF7I9M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383765725&sr=8-1&keywords=seiki

Unknown brand at this point, but the reviews from the users and reputable sources online have been positive. Shit, the 699.00 one is news to me, I'm thinking about getting one myself. Because the resoltion is doubled from 1080p, the need for anti aliasing isn't really there anymore, so I should be able to push that resolution w/ one GTX 680.

[Suspect]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7380/10415196884_61bf314dab_o.gif

http://i.minus.com/iNECRuklo6h0L.gif

http://www.exgeeinteractive.com/dump/banderas-ps4.jpg

[IronMaxipad]

It begins:

http://i.imgur.com/tAcJUNCl.jpg

[lefty]

http://i.imgur.com/1KnGeNp.jpg

[TDMVPDPOY]

Wild Cobra

u know if the g27 is ps4 compatible? theres a sale on atm 250 per wheelie...seems fkn tempting

[xellos88330]

Lovin the PS4 right now. I had to get used to using the controller again, but I am quite impressed with the system. It is a HUGE improvement over the PS3.

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/8510-Exclusives-Showdown

Yahtzee dropping bombs.

[Reck]

He gave me a brain hemorrhage. Shoot yourself.

[Suspect]

I stopped watching that annoying dudes vids a while ago

[Trainwreck2100]

He gave me a brain hemorrhage. Shoot yourself.

that the fat english dude who's a hipster?

[Reck]

that the fat english dude who's a hipster?

Dont know if he's fat or hipster but he was english.

Guy clearly doesn't know when to pause and take a breath. All I heard was blah blah blah

[Trainwreck2100]

saw him in a video bitching about the xb1 when it was first announced

[CuckingFunt]

Guy clearly doesn't know when to pause and take a breath. All I heard was blah blah blah

(That's why it's called Zero Punctuation.)

[Reck]

(That's why it's called Zero Punctuation.)

That supposed to make it better?

[resistanze]

That supposed to make it better?

not sure if srs

[Suspect]

point being, the guy is really annoying and a troll so dont watch his videos

[Wild Cobra]

Wild Cobra

u know if the g27 is ps4 compatible? theres a sale on atm 250 per wheelie...seems fkn tempting
I assume it is, but I don't know.

[Cry Havoc]

point being, the guy is really annoying and a troll so dont watch his videos

He's a troll because he doesn't buy into hype around games that haven't innovated in almost a decad?

Okay. Dude has good takes. Don't hate him just because he's pointing out how far consoles have fallen.

[Reck]

He's a troll because he doesn't buy into hype around games that haven't innovated in almost a decad?

Okay. Dude has good takes. Don't hate him just because he's pointing out how far consoles have fallen.

No he doesn't have good takes. He has biased takes which makes him an unberable homer.

[Cry Havoc]

No he doesn't have good takes. He has biased takes which makes him an unberable homer.

Biased how? He isn't biased. He hates everything equally. The only thing he is indeed biased against, and admits to it, is online multiplayer.

[Reck]

Biased how? He isn't biased. He hates everything equally. The only thing he is indeed biased against, and admits to it, is online multiplayer.

Each particular system has its weak and strong points. This guy makes it a point to hammer the consoles while he makes shrines for all things PC.

When reviewing a product you have to maintain a neutral stance even if you like one thing over the other. This guy seems more interested in mocking what he doesn't like.

Just saying..

[Cry Havoc]

Each particular system has its weak and strong points. This guy makes it a point to hammer the consoles while he makes shrines for all things PC.

Because, from a hardware standpoint, the consoles are now mid-range PCs. Nothing more, nothing less. They're x86 PCs running mid-low range cards that are optimized just enough to get them in the ballpark of modern PC performance. So that means the only thing that distinguishes consoles is the exclusives. As far as PS4 and X1 go... there aren't many exclusives to be had right now, because they're new systems.

Also, you mind showing me where consoles can keep up with this?

https://www.humblebundle.com

To say nothing of the Steam sales. PC is simply a better deal for the money right now and the indie scene is absolutely exploding with content at the moment.


When reviewing a product you have to maintain a neutral stance even if you like one thing over the other. This guy seems more interested in mocking what he doesn't like.

He mocks everything, even stuff he enjoys. Because it's funny. And he is even harshly critical of some of his favorite games. To me, that's as unbiased as you can get. You clearly didn't watch enough of his reviews if you think he only mocks the games he actively dislikes. If he sees a problem with a game, or something they could have done better, he points it out instead of slapping a "9.5 ZP RECOMMENDED!" sticker on it like every other gaming website on the planet does (Giant Bomb and a couple of others excepted). His stance is as neutral as it gets, he just hates games that don't innovate (Call of Duty/most other FPS games being the poster child for this sort of thing).

[Reck]

In favor of not getting in a shoving match with you I'll just keep it simple..

Not everybody, in fact most everybody just doesn't care for PC gaming and that's something PC crazies dont seem to get.

PC being more powerfull than consoles aside, you guys dont seem to grasp the concept of personal choices. Just because the PC is more mightier doesn't mean you should go run and get a PC because the graphics look better.

It comes down to affordability, comfortability and experience.

I've played PC games before and I simply didn't take to them.

Consoles are quicker and painless to acces on the go.

[Suspect]

idk why you are even bothering arguing with him

[Cry Havoc]

In favor of not getting in a shoving match with you I'll just keep it simple..

Not everybody, in fact most everybody just doesn't care for PC gaming and that's something PC crazies dont seem to get.

Which is stupid. If you care about getting the best experience possible, you should be willing to look at alternatives.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no such thing as "console" gaming anymore. The Ps4 and X1 are PCs. Period. No way around it. Just because they have a proprietary UI doesn't change that fact.


PC being more powerfull than consoles aside, you guys dont seem to grasp the concept of personal choices. Just because the PC is more mightier doesn't mean you should go run and get a PC because the graphics look better.

Again ignoring my arguments. It not even about graphics anymore. Steam, amazon, and Humble bundle type sales have created a new market. It's a more robust market and caters to every level of gaming possible. Look at the indie titles on Steam right now. It's amazing. Hell, look at the game I'm play right now, it looks like it's from the 8/16 bit era but it's a blast. I made a thread about it. Highly recommended, as it will run on anything. :)


It comes down to affordability, comfortability and experience.

Console games still cost $40 to $60. That's laughable. I doubt I'll ever pay $50+ for a game again. Just not worth it. Tomb Raider just went on sale for PC for $8. $8! I've seen Bioshock Infinite for $10.

Your arguments are archaic. PC gaming absolutely blows away consoles now. It's not even a debate worth having. I LOVE gaming and it if was worth it to own a Ps4 or an X1 I'd already have one by now, like I did with the last generation of consoles.

As for comfortability, you're telling me that PSN/Xbox are easier than Steam? Steam is as straightforward as it gets, man. If you can use a keyboard/mouse, you can use Steam. Simple. I don't understand the argument behind "PCs are too complex" when you have a service that literally installs every game for you and does every bit of back end work possible for the game to start functioning. :lol

[Cry Havoc]

idk why you are even bothering arguing with him

Keep paying $60 for those games, dude. :toast

www.humblebundle.com

http://store.steampowered.com/

:lol

[Suspect]

Keep paying $60 for those games, dude. :toast

www.humblebundle.com (http://www.humblebundle.com)

http://store.steampowered.com/

:lol

cheapassgamer.com

[Cry Havoc]

cheapassgamer.com

Yeah, man, it just SUCKS saving money and being able to buy more games with it. :lol

[CuckingFunt]

Which is stupid. If you care about getting the best experience possible, you should be willing to look at alternatives.

The last thing I ever want to do is get involved in the PC vs. consoles war, since even though I'm not much of a PC gamer anymore I consider myself a fan of good games no matter where they live, but you can't pretend as if "best experience possible" is an objective measure.

[ElNono]

idk why you are even bothering arguing with him

it's an echo chamber...

[ElNono]

Don't get me wrong, I like Cry, but he's a dude that completely misses certain concepts and preferences from other people.

- I don't pay more or less for games on PCs or Consoles, that's not an argument that matters to me.
- Graphically, past a certain threshold, I'm ok with the graphics. I'm much more interested in a compelling game experience.
- I don't play online, so pay to play online doesn't matter to me either.
- Over the life of a PC, it simply needs much more upkeep than consoles. I'm not interested in that. I want to turn on the console and play games. When I'm done, I want to push the off button and not have to wait to shut the thing down, install updates, etc. (which is the reason you see Steam coming out with it's own game platform/hardware. You can't fake the console experience on a PC. They know, we do too).

[Cry Havoc]

The last thing I ever want to do is get involved in the PC vs. consoles war, since even though I'm not much of a PC gamer anymore I consider myself a fan of good games no matter where they live, but you can't pretend as if "best experience possible" is an objective measure.

Hence why I said "look at alternatives". I didn't say "well if you're a real gamer you'd ONLY care about PC". I mean FFS I've owned basically every console ever made at one point or another. I even had the Virtual Boy and the old Atari Jaguar at one point. :lol


Don't get me wrong, I like Cry, but he's a dude that completely misses certain concepts and preferences from other people.

- I don't pay more or less for games on PCs or Consoles, that's not an argument that matters to me.
- Graphically, past a certain threshold, I'm ok with the graphics. I'm much more interested in a compelling game experience.
- I don't play online, so pay to play online doesn't matter to me either.

I'm totally on board with the fact that for some people a console is a better choice. That's not my point. My point is that PC has evolved so far that it's now just as easy, far more flexible, and now cheaper than consoles if you consider the cost of the games, and I think a lot of gamers would make the switch if that small gap would be bridged in their minds. And ElNono, with all due respect, I don't think you represent a majority or even a small minority of gamers. There's a pretty substantial demographic now, probably a hefty majority, that plays for and only for the multiplayer.


- Over the life of a PC, it simply needs much more upkeep than consoles. I'm not interested in that. I want to turn on the console and play games. When I'm done, I want to push the off button and not have to wait to shut the thing down, install updates, etc. (which is the reason you see Steam coming out with it's own game platform/hardware. You can't fake the console experience on a PC. They know, we do too).

Totally agree, gaming on PC used to be a clusterfuck. I remember back in the DOS days where you actually had to know specific commands for each game to get them to run under prompts. And if Steam wasn't around, I'd say consoles would still have a pretty huge lead in usability. Steam has really changed that game now, though, and you see other companies scrambling to catch up (like EA's Origin). Steam *is* as simple as a console, though, with a few exceptions when games aren't really completed before release. However, you see that on consoles now too, remember Skyrim's launch on PS3 with the save file?

As far as the keeping up to date thing, that will be extremely interesting to see now that gaming PCs have really evolved (so that they're less hamstrung by the demands of the OS) and that the new consoles are running on x86 architecture. My guess is they'll lag pretty far behind in 2-3 years. If graphics don't matter to you it won't be a big deal but if that's the case you probably aren't worried about buying a next gen console anytime soon, right?

[CuckingFunt]

Hence why I said "look at alternatives". I didn't say "well if you're a real gamer you'd ONLY care about PC". I mean FFS I've owned basically every console ever made at one point or another. I even had the Virtual Boy and the old Atari Jaguar at one point. :lol

Sure. But when you make the assumption that anyone who doesn't like PC gaming hasn't looked into it as an alternative, you're still suggesting that there is a specific "best gaming experience" that they're missing out on.

[Baam]

I think Consoles getting closer to PCs is gonna favors Steam... I used to be a console gamer who mostly gave up gaming but I'm considering jumping on the Steam box wagon.

Steam OS is gonna make PC gaming as pain free as console gaming basically and the power and possibilities will be greater...

When you look at people renewing their phone every 3 years at most, I don't see how people would choose to stick with the older stuff over let's say games built around the oculus rift or who knows what other crazy shit coming up next... The PS4 and the Xbone are getting dreamcasted...

The early success of the PS4 is really mindboggling to me, it's basically a brick. Fanboys are happy they shat on MS for the "entertainment" focus of the Xbone when they forgot the bluray player was one of the best attributes of the PS3... The "entertainment" stuff is uncool now somehow because console gamers are mostly retarded and they got what they deserves : a brick that can't stream shit to your tv and has zero system seller... But it sells like crazy somehow mostly because the length of the consoles cycles is outdated and because people want to have the most powerful stuff even if it's useless...

Valve is gonna make a killing if they do it right (meaning keep it affordable, mostly).

[NASpurs]

PC gamers are funny especially when it comes to those Humblebundle and Steam bundle specials. They spend $500 in games, have like 1,000 games in their library and only play like 5 games out of that bunch. Seriously, you spent a ton of money in games that you'll never play.

:cry but they were so cheap :cry

Besides, we know most PC gamers pirate the shit out of their games. That's why they can afford to upgrade every two or three years. :lol

[Reck]

Well this went well. :lol

:lol Baam. Does this guy even know what he's talking about? Brick? Cant stream, no selling point. :lmao

[Reck]

Besides, we know most PC gamers pirate the shit out of their games. That's why they can afford to upgrade every two or three years. :lol

:lol

Its so damn easy to just look a game up (tehparadox) these days that actually buying a PC game is a hassle. rofl

There is virtually no penalties for downloading a pirated version of a game and playing it on your PC because there are so many workarounds.

I wish it were that easy for consoles too. I'd be be pirating most games if it wasn't for having to mod your console and pretty much be contend with playing offline forever. Just not worth it imo.

[symple19]

:lol

:lol

:lol

:lol

:lol

[Cry Havoc]

:lol

Its so damn easy to just look a game up (tehparadox) these days that actually buying a PC game is a hassle. rofl

There is virtually no penalties for downloading a pirated version of a game and playing it on your PC because there are so many workarounds.

I wish it were that easy for consoles too. I'd be be pirating most games if it wasn't for having to mod your console and pretty much be contend with playing offline forever. Just not worth it imo.

Yeah! PC gaming sucks because it's so... easy to buy the games! Yeah! It sucks having MORE games and MORE choice! Who wants that!? And even if you don't want to pay money for them you can get them for free almost instantly! :lol

Sorry, I just found this humorous. :lol

[Reck]

Yeah! PC gaming sucks because it's so... easy to buy the games! Yeah! It sucks having MORE games and MORE choice! Who wants that!? And even if you don't want to pay money for them you can get them for free almost instantly! :lol

Sorry, I just found this humorous. :lol

You're so enraged everyone is taking turn shitting on your precious you cant even read correctly anymore. Or maybe you're just running out of arguements and are just making stuff up now?

I never mentioned anywhere in my posts PC gaming sucks. lol

[Cry Havoc]

You're so enraged everyone is taking turn shitting on your precious you cant even read correctly anymore. Or maybe you're just running out of arguements and are just making stuff up now?

I never mentioned anywhere in my posts PC gaming sucks. lol

Wtf? Enraged? Where did you get that? I thought what he was saying was funny. Jesus dude, chill out. It was a joke. You were basically giving the PC a huge compliment after arguing against it for a while and I found that funny.

[ElNono]

I'm totally on board with the fact that for some people a console is a better choice. That's not my point. My point is that PC has evolved so far that it's now just as easy, far more flexible, and now cheaper than consoles if you consider the cost of the games, and I think a lot of gamers would make the switch if that small gap would be bridged in their minds. And ElNono, with all due respect, I don't think you represent a majority or even a small minority of gamers. There's a pretty substantial demographic now, probably a hefty majority, that plays for and only for the multiplayer.

But that's the problem. Everybody has their own preference, and they should be able to express what they are without somebody coming along and getting into a stupid argument of why they should like something else. From the get go, you're assuming that these people have not tried alternatives, and that they might actually like the setup they have, for a bunch of reasons you might not agree with, but are just a matter of preference.

And sure, I don't speak for all gamers. That applies to you as well.


Totally agree, gaming on PC used to be a clusterfuck. I remember back in the DOS days where you actually had to know specific commands for each game to get them to run under prompts. And if Steam wasn't around, I'd say consoles would still have a pretty huge lead in usability. Steam has really changed that game now, though, and you see other companies scrambling to catch up (like EA's Origin). Steam *is* as simple as a console, though, with a few exceptions when games aren't really completed before release. However, you see that on consoles now too, remember Skyrim's launch on PS3 with the save file?

No, it's not "used to be". I have a Windows 8.1 tablet that boots into a "Your PC will install important updates during the next restart", or "Important updates require a restart. [Reboot] [Postpone]". Don't have an antivirus installed? Here comes the nagging. Firewall not on? Well, let me show you a popup for that. Windows has come a long way, but it still likes to remind you you're on a PC. That's why I kinda like that Steam picked up Linux. They can remove the PC-ness and go straight with a console experience.

My XBox gets a dash update once every blue moon (like, a year?). I don't know what you're talking about Skyrim, but I don't have a PS3... I installed it on my 360 and played it all the way through, no hassles, and no problems.


As far as the keeping up to date thing, that will be extremely interesting to see now that gaming PCs have really evolved (so that they're less hamstrung by the demands of the OS) and that the new consoles are running on x86 architecture. My guess is they'll lag pretty far behind in 2-3 years. If graphics don't matter to you it won't be a big deal but if that's the case you probably aren't worried about buying a next gen console anytime soon, right?

I'm not buying a next gen console until a ODDE for them is available.

[Reck]

Wtf? Enraged? Where did you get that? I thought what he was saying was funny. Jesus dude, chill out. It was a joke. You were basically giving the PC a huge compliment after arguing against it for a while and I found that funny.

What are you talking about? Your last post had you saying I thought PC gaming sucked. Where did you get that? You're twisting my words into something that's not there.

[Cry Havoc]

What are you talking about? Your last post had you saying I thought PC gaming sucked. Where did you get that? You're twisting my words into something that's not there.

It was entirely tongue in cheek. My apologies for not being more clear on that or making it more apparent that I was joking.

[Cry Havoc]

But that's the problem. Everybody has their own preference, and they should be able to express what they are without somebody coming along and getting into a stupid argument of why they should like something else. From the get go, you're assuming that these people have not tried alternatives, and that they might actually like the setup they have, for a bunch of reasons you might not agree with, but are just a matter of preference.

I enjoy the discussion and the back and forth. Not forcing anyone to debate the issue, I make my comments and if no one responds to it, no worries about that, either. I typically respond to stuff like, "I like consoles better because you can play them on a big TV" or "consoles are better because you can use a controller" and that sort of thing.


No, it's not "used to be". I have a Windows 8.1 tablet that boots into a "Your PC will install important updates during the next restart", or "Important updates require a restart. [Reboot] [Postpone]". Don't have an antivirus installed? Here comes the nagging. Firewall not on? Well, let me show you a popup for that. Windows has come a long way, but it still likes to remind you you're on a PC. That's why I kinda like that Steam picked up Linux. They can remove the PC-ness and go straight with a console experience.

They've made huge strides to the point where they're very, very easy to use, particularly if you're running a distribution service like Steam.


My XBox gets a dash update once every blue moon (like, a year?). I don't know what you're talking about Skyrim, but I don't have a PS3... I installed it on my 360 and played it all the way through, no hassles, and no problems.


My point was that console games have had issues just like PC games, and the problems will likely be very generalized now that consoles are running x86.

[DJR210]

:lol Consoles.

For those closed minded, console only gamers hating on PC for the stereotypical reasons..don't worry, you'll be the proud owner of Steambox/PC sooner than later..

Steam just eclipsed 7 million concurrent users a week ago, up 1 million from last years record. On top of that they just leapfrogged the active Xbox Live user base with over 65 million users. Give Gabe Newell three years, he will be sitting atop the video game industry.

http://news.yahoo.com/head-steam-valve-store-now-more-active-users-013013485.html
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/30/valve-steam-65-million-users/
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/441037/steam-tops-7-million-concurrent-users/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/steam-reaches-7-million-concurrent-users/1100-6416507/

The writing is on the wall, might as well get on board and enjoy the future now, instead of staying close minded and settling for less. I look forward to gaming with you console faithful, I will embrace you with open arms.

:lol 500.00 and struggling to display 1080p
:lol "PC gamers are geeks hunched over desks"
:lol "I will never buy a PC because I want to use a wireless controller"

[Reck]

:lol Consoles.

For those closed minded, console only gamers hating on PC for the stereotypical reasons..don't worry, you'll be the proud owner of Steambox/PC sooner than later..

Steam just eclipsed 7 million concurrent users a week ago, up 1 million from last years record. On top of that they just leapfrogged the active Xbox Live user base with over 65 million users. Give Gabe Newell three years, he will be sitting atop the video game industry.

http://news.yahoo.com/head-steam-valve-store-now-more-active-users-013013485.html
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/30/valve-steam-65-million-users/
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/441037/steam-tops-7-million-concurrent-users/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/steam-reaches-7-million-concurrent-users/1100-6416507/

The writing is on the wall, might as well get on board and enjoy the future now, instead of staying close minded and settling for less. I look forward to gaming with you console faithful, I will embrace you with open arms.




:lol 500.00 and struggling to display 1080p
:lol "PC gamers are geeks hunched over desks"
:lol "I will never buy a PC because I want to use a wireless controller"

PC Enthusiasts have been declaring doomsday for the consoles for decades now. :lol how's it working out scrah?

No idea why PC gamers like bringing up stats and whatever. It dont really matter. People will buy what suits them best.

Do you know why console only players like you so call us give you guys a hard time and are always laughing at you for trying to forced PC gaming down our throats? Because you all think you're some sort of deity that are above everyone. Give me a break.

[DJR210]

PC Enthusiasts have been declaring doomsday for the consoles for decades now. :lol how's it working out scrah?

No idea why PC gamers like bringing up stats and whatever. It dont really matter. People will buy what suits them best.

Do you know why console only players like you so call us give you guys a hard time and are always laughing at you for trying to forced PC gaming down our throats? Because you all think you're some sort of deity that are above everyone. Give me a break.

:lol angry

[DJR210]

All bullshit aside Shadowflames, do you consider yourself a casual gamer, or a more "serious" (fucking xmas1997 ruined the word tbh) gamer?

[NASpurs]

Can someone explain to me what a Steambox is without making it sound like a console?

[Cry Havoc]

PC Enthusiasts have been declaring doomsday for the consoles for decades now. :lol how's it working out scrah?

What? No. Not even. For the past 8+ years it's been "PCs are dying and won't be around much longer because the entire world is moving to consoles."

[Cry Havoc]

Can someone explain to me what a Steambox is without making it sound like a console?

No such thing as a console anymore.

[Reck]

:lol angry

:lol go to line when they have zero comeback.
:lol posting irrelevant stats no one cares about
:lol posting an essay and countless references no one reads
:lol try hards
:lol nerdiest people in the gaming industry
:lol looked upon as lonely, no lifer fat asses with nothing better to do


(Not directed at you or Cry)

[NASpurs]

No such thing as a console anymore.

Further explain yourself please. I've been out of the loop and reading up the wiki it continues to use the word "console".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_%28software%29#Steam_Machine

[DJR210]

Can someone explain to me what a Steambox is without making it sound like a console?

That's basically what is, NASpurs. Gabe Newell is taking the convenience of consoles, with the power and expandability of PC's. The Steambox is basically the moderately priced PC for those who simply refuse to buy the parts and build. Building the PC is more fun than you would think, and may make you some money down the road.

[NASpurs]

:lol Consoles.

For those closed minded, console only gamers hating on PC for the stereotypical reasons..don't worry, you'll be the proud owner of Steambox/PC sooner than later..

Steam just eclipsed 7 million concurrent users a week ago, up 1 million from last years record. On top of that they just leapfrogged the active Xbox Live user base with over 65 million users. Give Gabe Newell three years, he will be sitting atop the video game industry.

http://news.yahoo.com/head-steam-valve-store-now-more-active-users-013013485.html
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/30/valve-steam-65-million-users/
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/441037/steam-tops-7-million-concurrent-users/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/steam-reaches-7-million-concurrent-users/1100-6416507/

The writing is on the wall, might as well get on board and enjoy the future now, instead of staying close minded and settling for less. I look forward to gaming with you console faithful, I will embrace you with open arms.

:lol 500.00 and struggling to display 1080p
:lol "PC gamers are geeks hunched over desks"
:lol "I will never buy a PC because I want to use a wireless controller"

:lol still butthurt over that "PC gamers are geeks hunched over desks

http://atlanticcoastconvos.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/sp-1008-cart-plays-cc.jpg

[Reck]

All bullshit aside Shadowflames, do you consider yourself a casual gamer, or a more "serious" (fucking xmas1997 ruined the word tbh) gamer?

If you had asked me that about 5 or so years ago I'd say hardcore gamer but these days I'm playing very little.

But I also dont considered myself a casual gamer. At this point I'm sort of a tweener. I can play certain games for half a day when I put myself up to and there are times where I go months without playing a game.

[DJR210]

:lol go to line when they have zero comeback.
:lol posting irrelevant stats no one cares about
:lol posting an essay and countless references no one reads
:lol try hards
:lol nerdiest people in the gaming industry
:lol looked upon as lonely, no lifer fat asses with nothing better to do


(Not directed at you or Cry)

Nobody cares about the stats huh? 7 million concurrent users and over 65 million people is a lot of fuckin' people tbh. Like I said, give it some time. Once it becomes the "cool thing to have" you will have all of the typical bandwagon followers who can't think for themselves declaring themselves as "die hard PC gamers".

[ElNono]

I enjoy the discussion and the back and forth. Not forcing anyone to debate the issue, I make my comments and if no one responds to it, no worries about that, either. I typically respond to stuff like, "I like consoles better because you can play them on a big TV" or "consoles are better because you can use a controller" and that sort of thing.

I think you've made very clear what your preference is. IMO, what you need to understand is that if somebody replies "I rather play that on a console", it's not a dig, and they're not "wrong". It's their preference, and for them, it might be the superior choice, even if you seemingly don't understand why. It's actually a very similar situation when people discuss using iOS or Android.


They've made huge strides to the point where they're very, very easy to use, particularly if you're running a distribution service like Steam.

I've used Steam many times. It's not a console experience. That's why Valve is putting Steam in a console format, running on a tailored system that's unobtrusive. They apparently get it. We'll see the final product.


My point was that console games have had issues just like PC games, and the problems will likely be very generalized now that consoles are running x86.

This is another misunderstanding that I'm not sure where you picked up from. Because they run on the same architecture, it doesn't mean they're anything like PCs. They're a closed system, running an OS specifically tailored for that hardware architecture. On a regular PC you can't take shortcuts with the hardware because you have to support a plethora of configurations. There's no such thing in these closed systems. There's both benefits and drawbacks to it, but the idea that because they now use x86 hardware it's "closer" to a PC and conversely "away" from vintage console is, at the very least, misguided.

The original XBox also was x86, and they still shipped buggy games and you could still update them. That was still completely a console experience that had little to do with PCs.

[DJR210]

:lol still butthurt over that "PC gamers are geeks hunched over desks



Did you fools say that during our flame war too? Probably did, it's one of the better stereotypes out there tbh.


If you had asked me that about 5 or so years ago I'd say hardcore gamer but these days I'm playing very little.

But I also dont considered myself a casual gamer. At this point I'm sort of a tweener. I can play certain games for half a day when I put myself up to and there are times where I go months without playing a game.

I would assume then if you weren't consumed with adult life, you would still be a hardcore gamer, right? If so, why are you against PC gaming?

[Reck]

And that steambox looks pretty intriguing. I may give it a chance.

As far as looks it doesn't fair better than the trapbox but its definitely a step up from chaiming you to your computer. You can pretty much set the steambox as you would a console, only its not a console.

[NASpurs]

That's basically what is, NASpurs. Gabe Newell is taking the convenience of consoles, with the power and expandability of PC's. The Steambox is basically the moderately priced PC for those who simply refuse to buy the parts and build. Building the PC is more fun than you would think, and may make you some money down the road.

If Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft get on board, I'll jump as well. But in the meantime, why would I want this thing? Serious question. Plus there's a lot of hypocrisy in using a "Steambox" as your argument because you just said it's a console.

[NASpurs]

Shiiit, if they can figure out how to do cloud gaming like Gaikai, I would rather do that. I don't play much multiplayer so if there's a little input lag, I wouldn't mind.

[ElNono]

:lol Valve making an actual console gotta have "hardcore PC gamer" mad, tbh...

[DJR210]

And that steambox looks pretty intriguing. I may give it a chance.

As far as looks it doesn't fair better than the trapbox but its definitely a step up from chaiming you to your computer. You can pretty much set the steambox as you would a console, only its not a console.

Fuck the Steambox tbh, you will get less bang for the buck. Convenience is never cheap.

Mini ITX has been available, it's a little bigger than a Wii..

http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00bKeQoZIRErcm/Mini-ITX-Case-Small-Computer-Case-Mini-PC-Case-E-2015-.jpg

You can fit a fucking 780ti in that shit if you wanted to.

[ElNono]

Shiiit, if they can figure out how to do cloud gaming like Gaikai, I would rather do that. I don't play much multilayer so if there's a little input lag, I wouldn't mind.

"streaming" games are a scam, IMO... give me my own copy any day of the week...

[Reck]

Nobody cares about the stats huh? 7 million concurrent users and over 65 million people is a lot of fuckin' people tbh. Like I said, give it some time. Once it becomes the "cool thing to have" you will have all of the typical bandwagon followers who can't think for themselves declaring themselves as "die hard PC gamers".

Nope. Doesn't matter to people who just wants to buy their consoles.

[NASpurs]

"streaming" games are a scam, IMO... give me my own copy any day of the week...

I used to say that about not physically owning any games when moving to digital and now I "own" digital copies of games, so if it's like a subscription service like Netflix, I would jump on board (assuming the internet tech is there).

[DJR210]

If Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft get on board, I'll jump as well. But in the meantime, why would I want this thing? Serious question. Plus there's a lot of hypocrisy in using a "Steambox" as your argument because you just said it's a console.

Nah, don't get it twisted. It's a PC at the end of the day. You get a case similar to a console in size and style, plus a dedicated controller (which I must admit looks like shit IMO) but you get to pick the components it ships with.

[Reck]

Fuck the Steambox tbh, you will get less bang for the buck. Convenience is never cheap.

Mini ITX has been available, it's a little bigger than a Wii..

http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00bKeQoZIRErcm/Mini-ITX-Case-Small-Computer-Case-Mini-PC-Case-E-2015-.jpg

You can fit a fucking 780ti in that shit if you wanted to.

That's fine for someone who knows what they're doing. lol

For newbs like me with have to have shit set up. I have no idea how to set up a gaming rig. That shit goes over my head.

[DJR210]

That's fine for someone who knows what they're doing. lol

For newbs like me with have to have shit set up. I have no idea how to set up a gaming rig. That shit goes over my head.

I hear you, it's intimidating when you first browse parts and see a shitload of numbers, sockets, and names, but a couple tutorial vids later and it's not too bad. The parts in most cases will not allow you to install incorrectly because they only fit one way.


I've used Steam many times. It's not a console experience. That's why Valve is putting Steam in a console format, running on a tailored system that's unobtrusive. They apparently get it. We'll see the final product.

I can't imagine much different than Steam's Big Picture Mode, other than the supposed performance boost due to a less resource wasting OS.


I used to say that about not physically owning any games when moving to digital and now I "own" digital copies of games, so if it's like a subscription service like Netflix, I would jump on board (assuming the internet tech is there). Steam regularly gives free trial weekends of the full copy of games, but no streaming. Shit, browse the torrents online and try whatever you want, buy the games you truly enjoy. I haven't wasted any money on games in over a year, they've all been discounted or "borrowed".

[CuckingFunt]

console only gamers hating on PC

Preferring B =/= hating A.

[ElNono]

I used to say that about not physically owning any games when moving to digital and now I "own" digital copies of games, so if it's like a subscription service like Netflix, I would jump on board (assuming the internet tech is there).

Personal preference, tbh... I like to play my games when I want, including when Comcast decides to take a shit on me...

[ElNono]

I can't imagine much different than Steam's Big Picture Mode, other than the supposed performance boost due to a less resource wasting OS.

I'm sure it won't be much different once you can buy a box that you unbox, hook up to a tv and internet, turn on, and comes up straight into Big Picture mode...

[DJR210]

Preferring B =/= hating A.

I understand the difference. It's not hard to spot someone with an educated opinion.


I'm sure it won't be much different once you can buy a box that you unbox, hook up to a tv and internet, turn on, and comes up straight into Big Picture mode...

I get the sarcasm, but that's not much different than whats available now, building aside. You can hit the guide button on the Xbox controller to launch big picture mode. Combined with a decent SSD, you're at the home screen of Steam in less than 30 seconds.


Besides, we know most PC gamers pirate the shit out of their games. That's why they can afford to upgrade every two or three years. :lol :lol :tu

[The Reckoning]

i know i said i quit gaming but my buddy just had his ps4 box opened and crap stolen out of it from UPS, so sony sent him another console.

problem is they accidentally sent him two, so he might give me his extra if they don't make him pay for it.

[ElNono]

I get the sarcasm, but that's not much different than whats available now, building aside. You can hit the guide button on the Xbox controller to launch big picture mode. Combined with a decent SSD, you're at the home screen of Steam in less than 30 seconds.

Building and setting up isn't an 'aside'. It's an integral part.

If you have the time, the money, the patience and the know how, you can repurpose a PC into anything. A console-like device, a home theater system, a DVR, a POS system, etc... no doubt about it.

Some people that might or might not have all of the above, might also value their time, the convenience factor, the included support, the "don't have the mess with it", the "insert disc and just works", and prefer the pre-packaged.

It's the reason things like tablets are successful. They're always on, they're dumbed down to remove complexity, anybody can grab one and use it. That has a value.

Also, nothing is set in stone. Windows 8 has been dumbed down quite a bit in order to address that. I think what Valve is trying to do is find that convergence of simplicity and functionality.

Personally, after 25+ years, there's absolutely nothing I cannot do with a system. If it has a processor that's newer than an Intel 8080, I probably wrote code for it. I've done hardware designs in VHDL. Wrote a microkernel. I know the hardware just as well as I know the software. Yet, after a long day of work messing up with shit, I sometimes just want to sit down, flip a switch and get my game fix, and I don't want anything in my way. In those cases, the pre-packaged has been working for me.

I've gamed on PCs for years too, and if they make it as seamless and fool-proof, I might just go back to it.

[DJR210]

Building and setting up isn't an 'aside'. It's an integral part.

If you have the time, the money, the patience and the know how, you can repurpose a PC into anything. A console-like device, a home theater system, a DVR, a POS system, etc... no doubt about it.

Some people that might or might not have all of the above, might also value their time, the convenience factor, the included support, the "don't have the mess with it", the "insert disc and just works", and prefer the pre-packaged.

It's the reason things like tablets are successful. They're always on, they're dumbed down to remove complexity, anybody can grab one and use it. That has a value.

Also, nothing is set in stone. Windows 8 has been dumbed down quite a bit in order to address that. I think what Valve is trying to do is find that convergence of simplicity and functionality.

Personally, after 25+ years, there's absolutely nothing I cannot do with a system. If it has a processor that's newer than an Intel 8080, I probably wrote code for it. I've done hardware designs in VHDL. Wrote a microkernel. I know the hardware just as well as I know the software. Yet, after a long day of work messing up with shit, I sometimes just want to sit down, flip a switch and get my game fix, and I don't want anything in my way. In those cases, the pre-packaged has been working for me.

I've gamed on PCs for years too, and if they make it as seamless and fool-proof, I might just go back to it.

I see your points, but at the same time, IIRC, I'm debating with a gamer that doesn't even use sound when playing.

You might be very knowledgable overall with computers, but as far as gaming I would consider you a casual gamer. I can understand why you prefer what you feel is an easier process to play.

[CuckingFunt]

i know i said i quit gaming but my buddy just had his ps4 box opened and crap stolen out of it from UPS, so sony sent him another console.

problem is they accidentally sent him two, so he might give me his extra if they don't make him pay for it.

You know... If you really don't want to go back on your oath to quit gaming, you could always have your buddy send that extra PS4 to me. I'd jump on that grenade for ya.

[Cry Havoc]

Building and setting up isn't an 'aside'. It's an integral part.

If you have the time, the money, the patience and the know how, you can repurpose a PC into anything. A console-like device, a home theater system, a DVR, a POS system, etc... no doubt about it.

Some people that might or might not have all of the above, might also value their time, the convenience factor, the included support, the "don't have the mess with it", the "insert disc and just works", and prefer the pre-packaged.

It's the reason things like tablets are successful. They're always on, they're dumbed down to remove complexity, anybody can grab one and use it. That has a value.

Also, nothing is set in stone. Windows 8 has been dumbed down quite a bit in order to address that. I think what Valve is trying to do is find that convergence of simplicity and functionality.

Personally, after 25+ years, there's absolutely nothing I cannot do with a system. If it has a processor that's newer than an Intel 8080, I probably wrote code for it. I've done hardware designs in VHDL. Wrote a microkernel. I know the hardware just as well as I know the software. Yet, after a long day of work messing up with shit, I sometimes just want to sit down, flip a switch and get my game fix, and I don't want anything in my way. In those cases, the pre-packaged has been working for me.

I've gamed on PCs for years too, and if they make it as seamless and fool-proof, I might just go back to it.

This is a solid post. Building a pc, even if you have an idea of what you're doing, is still a labor intensive process. And if you don't know what you're doing you can still get by, but it's not super easy.

Probably one of the main features of the steambox is that it will open up that segment of users that have no desire to learn about hardware and don't want to buy from a gaming pc maker like cyberpower, which is totally understandable.

[ElNono]

I see your points, but at the same time, IIRC, I'm debating with a gamer that doesn't even use sound when playing.

You might be very knowledgable overall with computers, but as far as gaming I would consider you a casual gamer. I can understand why you prefer what you feel is an easier process to play.

Maybe. I play between 5-12 games a month, depending on what's available. Not sure what defines a casual/non-casual gamer, tbh...

[NASpurs]

Maybe. I play between 5-12 games a month, depending on what's available. Not sure what defines a casual/non-casual gamer, tbh...

You're fucking hardcore man. :lol That's close to 60-140+ games a year. I play at the most, 20 games a year and that estimate seems a little high for me. Do you review games for a living or something? :lol

[resistanze]

I see your points, but at the same time, IIRC, I'm debating with a gamer that doesn't even use sound when playing.

You might be very knowledgeable overall with computers, but as far as gaming I would consider you a casual gamer. I can understand why you prefer what you feel is an easier process to play.

:lol What does your criteria for being a casual/hardcore gamer has anything to do with what he said? If anything, Elnono's experience with hardware/software in his career holds would more weight - I'm sure he's capable of building a gaming PC if he wishes.

The bottom line is you want to believe everyone would convert to PC gaming if "they all just saw the light" or "saw how easy it is to build". It's just not true. I haven't built a gaming PC in 4 years, and I personally don't have the time. I also game a lot (much less than I used to) but the games of Xbox 360/PS3, exclusive and non-exclusives, serve me well. Just because I know how to do it doesn't make it easy to do.

[DJR210]

:lol What does your criteria for being a casual/hardcore gamer has anything to do with what he said? If anything, Elnono's experience with hardware/software in his career holds would more weight - I'm sure he's capable of building a gaming PC if he wishes.

The bottom line is you want to believe everyone would convert to PC gaming if "they all just saw the light" or "saw how easy it is to build". It's just not true. I haven't built a gaming PC in 4 years, and I personally don't have the time. I also game a lot (much less than I used to) but the games of Xbox 360/PS3, exclusive and non-exclusives, serve me well. Just because I know how to do it doesn't make it easy to do.

Point is I understand why a casual gamer would prefer a console. That's it.

[leemajors]

:lol What does your criteria for being a casual/hardcore gamer has anything to do with what he said? If anything, Elnono's experience with hardware/software in his career holds would more weight - I'm sure he's capable of building a gaming PC if he wishes.

The bottom line is you want to believe everyone would convert to PC gaming if "they all just saw the light" or "saw how easy it is to build". It's just not true. I haven't built a gaming PC in 4 years, and I personally don't have the time. I also game a lot (much less than I used to) but the games of Xbox 360/PS3, exclusive and non-exclusives, serve me well. Just because I know how to do it doesn't make it easy to do.

you just don't want to cut into your r00ting time

[resistanze]

Point is I understand why a casual gamer would prefer a console. That's it.

Yeah and a lot of people can see why any gamer - casual or 'hardcore' - may prefer a console.

[resistanze]

you just don't want to cut into your r00ting time

:lol

[DJR210]

Yeah and a lot of people can see why any gamer - casual or 'hardcore' - may prefer a console.

Ok.

[ElNono]

You're fucking hardcore man. :lol That's close to 60-140+ games a year. I play at the most, 20 games a year and that estimate seems a little high for me. Do you review games for a living or something? :lol

Mind candy, tbh... been playing since I was a kid... don't even wanna know how many quarters I spent on the arcades back in the day... tbh, these days, half the games are not worth the media they're etched on...

[Trainwreck2100]

Maybe. I play between 5-12 games a month, depending on what's available. Not sure what defines a casual/non-casual gamer, tbh...

what's you xbox handle?

[Cry Havoc]

Mind candy, tbh... been playing since I was a kid... don't even wanna know how many quarters I spent on the arcades back in the day... tbh, these days, half the games are not worth the media they're etched on...

Mortal Combat II and Killer Instinct. Fuck those games. Fuck them.

[ElNono]

what's you xbox handle?

:lol XBox Live
:lol no thanks, I'll keep my $$$

[Creepn]

I'm not gonna be moving my PC back and forth to the livingroom. NO! Don't give me that "LOL PC cases have cushioned handles on top to make transporting from room to room easier. Keep flailing console boi!!" nonsense either.

[Cry Havoc]

I'm not gonna be moving my PC back and forth to the livingroom. NO! Don't give me that "LOL PC cases have cushioned handles on top to make transporting from room to room easier. Keep flailing console boi!!" nonsense either.

For the price of a console you could build a very respectable HTPC with some gaming added in, especially if you take advantage of the sales around Xmas.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol XBox Live
:lol no thanks, I'll keep my $$$

you still need a profile to sign into

[jman3000]

I'm still on the fence as to which i'd get. From the 3 people I know that have both, they all seemed to play the ps4 for a few hours then drop it, while they use the xbox whenever they turn their tv on.

I don't really have a ton of time to game anyway, and when I do it's mostly on my pc, but I do have people over often and my friends tell me it's pretty responsive. I'll probably wait until the new year to decide.

[Cry Havoc]

I'm still on the fence as to which i'd get. From the 3 people I know that have both, they all seemed to play the ps4 for a few hours then drop it, while they use the xbox whenever they turn their tv on.

I don't really have a ton of time to game anyway, and when I do it's mostly on my pc, but I do have people over often and my friends tell me it's pretty responsive. I'll probably wait until the new year to decide.

If you're set on a console I'd honestly wait to see which system brings out the best games in the next 6 months. Exclusives are the only reason to pick one over another as far as I can see (and the same is true for most systems).

[Reck]

Sony has always been able to bring the goods exclusive wise so I'd put my money on them to bring the best.

Uncharted 4 already has been announced so that's one to look forward to.

[DJR210]

If you're set on a console I'd honestly wait to see which system brings out the best games in the next 6 months. Exclusives are the only reason to pick one over another as far as I can see (and the same is true for most systems).

PS4 is considerably more powerful than the Xbox One, and runs some of the cross platform games at higher resolution thus far.

720p is gonna look like shit compared to 1080p on bigger TV's.

[m>s]

Couldn't ever really stand the controls playing computer games..if nothing else if rather have a controller in my hand than a keyboard and mouse.

[DJR210]

Couldn't ever really stand the controls playing computer games..if nothing else if rather have a controller in my hand than a keyboard and mouse.

It's really only good for first person shooters and strategy games. All others, controller.

[ElNono]

you still need a profile to sign into

I have a local profile... Nono, IIRC...

[Cry Havoc]

Couldn't ever really stand the controls playing computer games..if nothing else if rather have a controller in my hand than a keyboard and mouse.

You know you can buy controllers for the PC right?

[m>s]

never heard of such things

[Reck]

You know you can buy controllers for the PC right?

There is some sort of firmware that allows you to use the PS3 controller on a PC.

I remember seeing that a few years back. There was even a youtube video showing you how to do it.

[Cry Havoc]

There is some sort of firmware that allows you to use the PS3 controller on a PC.

I remember seeing that a few years back. There was even a youtube video showing you how to do it.

http://www.motioninjoy.com/

[jman3000]

If you're set on a console I'd honestly wait to see which system brings out the best games in the next 6 months. Exclusives are the only reason to pick one over another as far as I can see (and the same is true for most systems).

that's pretty much what i was going to do. right now there's only 2 games I'd want to play on either system and that's DR3 and killer instinct. those aren't enough to buy a system though. looking at upcoming exclusives, they are both pretty meager. most of the ones the ps4 is getting i can get a superior version on my comp right now.

[Suspect]

you still need a profile to sign into

the goods

[Suspect]

If you're set on a console I'd honestly wait to see which system brings out the best games in the next 6 months. Exclusives are the only reason to pick one over another as far as I can see (and the same is true for most systems).
price also

[DJR210]

There is some sort of firmware that allows you to use the PS3 controller on a PC.

I remember seeing that a few years back. There was even a youtube video showing you how to do it.

Motioninjoy. I hear a lot of negative crap about it though, people complain that it's near impossible to remove once installed.

[NASpurs]

I let Motioninjoy install its driver but then I don't use the crappy adware ridden program. I use Better DS3

http://betterds3.ciebiera.net/

You still have to install Motioninjoy though but like it says in the Better DS3 website: "Flexible, featureful, inconspicous, and best of all, no calling home."

[apalisoc_9]

Just like with the PS3, I'm buying this shit two years after release. Not a huge game, but I enjoy the comfort of slouching on my couch and pressing buttons every now and then. I've had the PS3 for a few years now and the only games I've ever finished are the uncharted series, the last of us, Ni no kuni, Valkyira, heavy rain..:lol...

I still have a lot of games I can play...It's not like the PS4 is offering anything mindblwoing at the moment tbh.

[Reck]

I have a local profile... Nono, IIRC...

How are you buying digital content? Dont you need a handle for that and online?

[DJR210]

It's not like the PS4 is offering anything mindblwoing at the moment tbh.

:lol Don't hold your breath on that one

[Reck]

:lol Don't hold your breath on that one

Dont know if you're being sarcastic or just plain ignorant here.

[leemajors]

Dont know if you're being sarcastic or just plain ignorant here.

aren't the vast majority of video games out there these days derivative, regardless of platform? hard to get backing for something truly mind blowing these days, especially given the costs involved in producing a top tier title. The only real exception I can think of is Minecraft, but its mind blowing mods are the results of gamers producing it.

[ElNono]

How are you buying digital content? Dont you need a handle for that and online?

Don't buy XBLA stuff... most DLCs for good games end up showing up in a GOTY edition later on, and don't really care of XBLA games... the good ones also end up being released for PC, which I play on my Mac.

[m>s]

Anyone want to buy me one for Christmas? Can't justify wanting one bad enough to buy it myself.

[Cry Havoc]

aren't the vast majority of video games out there these days derivative, regardless of platform? hard to get backing for something truly mind blowing these days, especially given the costs involved in producing a top tier title. The only real exception I can think of is Minecraft, but its mind blowing mods are the results of gamers producing it.

The PC market in the past year or two has become a flourishing area for indie titles. Faster than Light, Terraria, Binding of Isaac, Chivalry, Bastion, Braid, and others have really made marks. Some of those are for consoles as well, but I think you'd really be pleasantly surprised at the creativity happening via Steam and various bundle sales. :)

[Cry Havoc]

aren't the vast majority of video games out there these days derivative, regardless of platform? hard to get backing for something truly mind blowing these days, especially given the costs involved in producing a top tier title. The only real exception I can think of is Minecraft, but its mind blowing mods are the results of gamers producing it.

The PC market in the past year or two has become a flourishing area for indie titles. Faster than Light, Terraria, Binding of Isaac, Chivalry, Bastion, Braid, and others have really made marks. Some of those are for consoles as well, but I think you'd really be pleasantly surprised at the creativity happening via Steam and various bundle sales. :)

[DJR210]

The PC market in the past year or two has become a flourishing area for indie titles. Faster than Light, Terraria, Binding of Isaac, Chivalry, Bastion, Braid, and others have really made marks. Some of those are for consoles as well, but I think you'd really be pleasantly surprised at the creativity happening via Steam and various bundle sales. :)

You play Outlast yet? Scariest shit I've played in a while..also, I got a Steam key for some shit called Magicka if anyone wants it.

[Reck]

The PC market in the past year or two has become a flourishing area for indie titles. Faster than Light, Terraria, Binding of Isaac, Chivalry, Bastion, Braid, and others have really made marks. Some of those are for consoles as well, but I think you'd really be pleasantly surprised at the creativity happening via Steam and various bundle sales. :)

Yeah this new generation of consoles are seeminly focusing more on indie games which is great.

I'll be buying less retail games and more indie games. I've found they're more soulful if you will.

They sure are small but they pack a punch.

I'll probably buy the occasional must have games but other than that I'm just going to take a backseat when it comes to just buying any crap that comes out.

[Cry Havoc]

Yeah this new generation of consoles are seeminly focusing more on indie games which is great.

I'll be buying less retail games and more indie games. I've found they're more soulful if you will.

They sure are small but they pack a punch.

I'll probably buy the occasional must have games but other than that I'm just going to take a backseat when it comes to just buying any crap that comes out.

I think it's a little early to say that for sure, but it does seem to be trending that way. I'd like to hope it's a reaction to all the bullshit Call of Duty games and the like that get pumped out year after year. I'm a huge Battlefield fan, and I had no plans to buy BF4 until a friend who works for EA gave me a hook up ($10).

If the consoles open their market to help advertise/embrace games that don't have a $100,000,000 budget, everyone will benefit, and it might even make the PS4 worth owning to me. As of now though, I'm pretty skeptical.

[Reck]

I think it's a little early to say that for sure, but it does seem to be trending that way. I'd like to hope it's a reaction to all the bullshit Call of Duty games and the like that get pumped out year after year. I'm a huge Battlefield fan, and I had no plans to buy BF4 until a friend who works for EA gave me a hook up ($10).

If the consoles open their market to help advertise/embrace games that don't have a $100,000,000 budget, everyone will benefit, and it might even make the PS4 worth owning to me. As of now though, I'm pretty skeptical.

Sony made it a point in their conference back in february that they would be pushing for indie developers and give them free range on the console. They're even letting them self pusblish their own games on the console.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/18/indie-developers-speak-out-on-ps4-development

[Cry Havoc]

Sony made it a point in their conference back in february that they would be pushing for indie developers and give them free range on the console. They're even letting them self pusblish their own games on the console.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/18/indie-developers-speak-out-on-ps4-development

Again, that's a far cry from actively promoting indie development like Steam and the humble bundles have become famous for. If those indie titles don't get the promotional boost, they're going to be hard to find and could easily get lost in a sea of horrible half-finished or pay to win titles.

The fact that a company "allowing indie titles" on their console without a ton of restrictions is seen as progress shows how low the floor is, and how slanted in favor of the ultra huge publishers gaming is today.

[leemajors]

Again, that's a far cry from actively promoting indie development like Steam and the humble bundles have become famous for. If those indie titles don't get the promotional boost, they're going to be hard to find and could easily get lost in a sea of horrible half-finished or pay to win titles.

The fact that a company "allowing indie titles" on their console without a ton of restrictions is seen as progress shows how low the floor is, and how slanted in favor of the ultra huge publishers gaming is today.

Yup, the main reason my post sounded the way it did was listening to Cliffy B on JRE last week and the hoops he is having to jump thought to start a new studio on his terms. Also, reading Carmack's regrets on what happened to iD and game development in general had me a bit down. There are obviously great things out there on steam, etc but the main thrust is all big blowout titles.

[Suspect]

just picked up a ps4. couldnt wait :cry

[baseline bum]

just picked up a ps4. couldnt wait :cry

The fuck? After your barrage of banderas I figured you to be one of those faggots camped out at Best Buy for launch son.

[NASpurs]

Here are Valve's conso... I mean "Steam Machines" specs and prices.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/06/valve-steam-machines-specs/?ncid=rss_truncated

[baseline bum]

Here are Valve's conso... I mean "Steam Machines" specs and prices.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/06/valve-steam-machines-specs/?ncid=rss_truncated

Wonder if you could compile a standard Linux kernel to be able to make a Linux desktop usable as a Steam Machine also.

[DJR210]

Wonder if you could compile a standard Linux kernel to be able to make a Linux desktop usable as a Steam Machine also.

Install SteamOS and it's a Steam Machine.

[baseline bum]

Install SteamOS and it's a Steam Machine.

Don't want to install SteamOS. If I can install the libraries to my Linux installation I would definitely go that route.

[DJR210]

Don't want to install SteamOS. If I can add the libraries to my Linux installation I would definitely go that route.

This whole Steam Machine term is fucking stupid anyway. It's a fucking PC with the Steam logo on it.

[baseline bum]

This whole Steam Machine term is fucking stupid anyway. It's a fucking PC with the Steam logo on it.

I like that it uses the Linux kernel instead of Windows. I'd love to build a gaming PC with no need for Redmond's garbage on it.

[DJR210]

I like that it uses the Linux kernel instead of Windows. I'd love to build a gaming PC with no need for Redmond's garbage on it.

Right. Supposedly gonna free resources to boost frames.

[Cry Havoc]

This whole Steam Machine term is fucking stupid anyway. It's a fucking PC with the Steam logo on it.

If it's a *turn on and play* system I think it could be awesome. It'll blow away consoles in raw power, for starters.

[DJR210]

It'll blow away consoles in raw power, for starters.

Well, that's not saying much. As for turn on and play, I'm pretty sure that's the goal. The internet browsing will probably be done in the same manner as Big Picture Mode.

[J.T.]

I've had my PS4 for like two weeks but it seems like so much longer because I hardly play it. Only games I have for it are COD Ghosts and Assassin's Creed IV. While both look great on the new console, you can tell that the fact they had to be co-developed for last gen consoles really held them back. I'll be highly interested in the crop of games that begin coming out once the developers abandon multi-generational releases so we can see what these machines are really capable of.

That said, this will probably be the last console generation I support. It might be hard to break up with Sony because I've been a loyal customer of their platform since the original PlayStation, but I'm probably joining the PC master race sometime in the near future when my computer breaks down. I've been running the same machine since like 2007 and it isn't good enough to run games but damned if it wasn't a great investment. Six years for a PC is pretty good, I think I upgraded the memory and installed a DVD-RW drive and that's about all I've modded on it.

[DJR210]

you can tell that the fact they had to be co-developed for last gen consoles really held them back. I'll be highly interested in the crop of games that begin coming out once the developers abandon multi-generational releases so we can see what these machines are really capable of.

That said, this will probably be the last console generation I support. It might be hard to break up with Sony because I've been a loyal customer of their platform since the original PlayStation, but I'm probably joining the PC master race sometime in the near future when my computer breaks down. I've been running the same machine since like 2007 and it isn't good enough to run games but damned if it wasn't a great investment. Six years for a PC is pretty good, I think I upgraded the memory and installed a DVD-RW drive and that's about all I've modded on it.

You should throw a 7850 (assuming your power supply has enough watts) into that PC, you should be able to play whatever you want at decent settings.

[Reck]

I'm getting one later today or Monday.

Like J.T. this will definitely be the last generation of consoles I'm going to be getting. I love Sony, always have and always will.

But unlike you I'm just going to let go of gaming in general. I barely play games as is so I just think I could be saving a few bucks by abstaining from such evilness.

[Reck]

Got it

http://i43.tinypic.com/v5himw.jpg

[apalisoc_9]

I'm getting one later today or Monday.

Like J.T. this will definitely be the last generation of consoles I'm going to be getting. I love Sony, always have and always will.

But unlike you I'm just going to let go of gaming in general. I barely play games as is so I just think I could be saving a few bucks by abstaining from such evilness.


I've had my PS4 for like two weeks but it seems like so much longer because I hardly play it. Only games I have for it are COD Ghosts and Assassin's Creed IV. While both look great on the new console, you can tell that the fact they had to be co-developed for last gen consoles really held them back. I'll be highly interested in the crop of games that begin coming out once the developers abandon multi-generational releases so we can see what these machines are really capable of.

That said, this will probably be the last console generation I support. It might be hard to break up with Sony because I've been a loyal customer of their platform since the original PlayStation, but I'm probably joining the PC master race sometime in the near future when my computer breaks down. I've been running the same machine since like 2007 and it isn't good enough to run games but damned if it wasn't a great investment. Six years for a PC is pretty good, I think I upgraded the memory and installed a DVD-RW drive and that's about all I've modded on it.


Got it



Guys like you always comeback :lol

[Suspect]

Got it

http://i43.tinypic.com/v5himw.jpg
my nigga :toast

[J.T.]

Guys like you always comeback :lol

I'll never quit playing video games. I've turned down a couple relationships because I was upfront about the fact that I won't be told I can only play my games x amount of time per day. This has happened to some of my friends...first they'll say they can only play for two hours, then they can only play one game on weekdays and few hours on Saturday. Then they only log in once every couple of months and the next thing you know, you get a wedding invitation in the mail.

Marriage is not a financially or socially responsible thing for a man to do anymore. It's basically like you're giving up half of your assets to not have to search for sex for however long it takes you to get divorced.

I'm just saying, I don't feel like this gen is a huge step above the next one. The visual definition is greater and a lot of games are being developed for cross generation so I feel like that's holding back these games. Whenever it comes time for a PlayStation 5, I don't see how it would be more beneficial to buy a $500ish console over building a machine that can do the same things.

[Reck]

Guys like you always comeback :lol

I use these consoles as a media center nowadays.

When the PS3 first came out I was really into gaming them but towards the end cycle of the system I just kind of lost a little bit of interest in playing games.

Suspect (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=41158) would tell you all I do is watch Netflix on that thing. :lol

I'm sort of a loyalist when it comes to electronics, I buy alot of useless stuff that I dont need.

[DJR210]

I'll never quit playing video games. I've turned down a couple relationships because I was upfront about the fact that I won't be told I can only play my games x amount of time per day.

http://makeameme.org/media/created/Damn-My-nigga.jpg

[TDMVPDPOY]

I use these consoles as a media center nowadays.

When the PS3 first came out I was really into gaming them but towards the end cycle of the system I just kind of lost a little bit of interest in playing games.

Suspect (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=41158) would tell you all I do is watch Netflix on that thing. :lol

I'm sort of a loyalist when it comes to electronics, I buy alot of useless stuff that I dont need.

handover the fleshlight

[Suspect]

It's true, all shadowflames does on his ps3 is Netflix lol. I even tried to give him a ps+ code to get him to play some free games.

[Reck]

It's true, all shadowflames does on his ps3 is Netflix lol. I even tried to give him a ps+ code to get him to play some free games.

Downloaded Resogun and Dont Starve earlier. Will play 'em tomorrow or later.

Also ported Flower from the PS3. :lol

Oh and where are all the games? When I go into the Playstation Plus tab all it shows me is to join even though I'm already subscribed. Can barely find shit. lol

[Reck]

handover the fleshlight

I'm old school, hands only. :P

[Suspect]

Downloaded Resogun and Dont Starve earlier. Will play 'em tomorrow or later.

Also ported Flower from the PS3. :lol

Oh and where are all the games? When I go into the Playstation Plus tab all it shows me is to join even though I'm already subscribed. Can barely find shit. lol
Resogun and Dont Starve are the only free games on ps+ besides Contrast. Warframe and Black Light are also free still I believe but wasnt part of + ...they should all be there.

Resogun is pretty fun tho, Outlast is free next month. Im gonna stream that shit lol

[Reck]

Resogun and Dont Starve are the only free games on ps+ besides Contrast. Warframe and Black Light are also free still I believe but wasnt part of + ...they should all be there.

Resogun is pretty fun tho, Outlast is free next month. Im gonna stream that shit lol

Contrast is no longer for free. :cry

They want their 15 bucks for it.

[Suspect]

Outlast scared the fuck out of me :lmao

[Reck]

Is it out already? Good shit.

Game reminds me of Fatal Frame.

[DJR210]

Outlast scared the fuck out of me :lmao

Outlast is the fucking shit. That game literally had me nervous at points. I shit my pants the first time that asshole came out and threw me off the balcony in the beginning.

[Reck]

Outlast is the fucking shit. That game literally had me nervous at points. I shit my pants the first time that asshole came out and threw me off the balcony in the beginning.

I guess playin this in the wee hours is out for me then. :lol

[DJR210]

I guess playin this in the wee hours is out for me then. :lol

Don't be a pussy. It's just a little late night shit in your pants.

This game was probably the creepiest, jumpiest, since Resident Evil 2 with that big ass nemesis dude that arrives and stalks you throughout the second playthrough.

[Suspect]

I guess playin this in the wee hours is out for me then. :lol
i waited till the sun came up to play :lol :cry im still a bitch nigga

[apalisoc_9]

please no spoilers..

How would you guys rate outlast on a scale from 1 to 10?

I might buy a ps4 in october, tbh.

[Suspect]

please no spoilers..

How would you guys rate outlast on a scale from 1 to 10?

I might buy a ps4 in october, tbh.
Only reason most hate it is cause you cant fight back or anything. Just run and hide pretty much. I enjoyed what little I played and im sure ill enjoy playing the rest screaming like a lil bitch tbh

by october tho Outlast might not be free anymore

[Reck]

I wonder why they no longer offer contrast free anymore. Considering the PS4 game library, you'd think they'd have it there for a year at least.

[Venti Quattro]

So I need this Playstation Plus to be able to play 2k online? Go fuck yourselves Sony

[TDMVPDPOY]

my ps4 is still in its box since purchased...havnt bothered installin it

[Reck]

So I need this Playstation Plus to be able to play 2k online? Go fuck yourselves Sony

Plenty of incentives though. Monthy free games all across the Playstation consoles.

[Trainwreck2100]

kickin the shit out of xbox thanks microsofts shitty launch policies

[DJR210]

Free online gaming ONLY on....PC. Now you're playing with power

[Venti Quattro]

Plenty of incentives though. Monthy free games all across the Playstation consoles.

I also hate how I need to press L1 R1 to call a timeout

[baseline bum]

kickin the shit out of xbox thanks microsofts shitty launch policies

And also Microsoft making their console into a fucking home theater controller. Who the fuck wants that crap? That's just great to use it as a TV tuner to have another 100 watts of power usage to add to the electric bill. Why should I run a gaming console to change the fucking channel?

[Venti Quattro]

Why should I run a gaming console to change the fucking channel?

The remote control is still one of man's greatest inventions.

:lmao X-Box

[The Reckoning]

considering getting the destiny bundle tbh

[DJR210]

PS4 adds "virtual couch" sharing in next update.. http://pulse.me/s/26psp2

:lol Microsoft