Timmy Getting Less Shots Every Game

[BillMc]

A troubling trend is Miami's ability to reduce Duncan's shot attempts. Every game this series he's had less than the previous game:

Game 1: 19
Game 2: 13
Game 3: 11
Game 4: 10

This downward trend can't continue BUT we need to find a way to give it to Timmy without turning it over, so we can't force into him. How do we get Tim more open looks?

[Seefourdc]

The noose is tightening. You can get him more touches by letting him take 19 foot jumpers like he did in game 1...

[smaka]

I expected him to be much more dominant in this series due to the lack of size @ Heat, but somehow he is not. The fact that shots aren't falling doesn't help either.
Wake up Timmy!

[johnnySpurs]

The Heat play amazing help defense around the rim.... they have started to double-up on Timmy the same way they did to the Pacers bigs and they are very aggressive at it, forcing the TO or forcing Tim to get rid of the ball quickly.

[#2!]

I feel like it is those long jumpers that have disappeared. The number of postups, along with the mixed results, have been consistent, but the heat are closing out on Timmy faster at the elbow. Its really amazing how few open looks he's gotten -credit Miami- which means TD will simply have to step up and knock down some contested shots. Simple as that.

[BillMc]

I feel like it is those long jumpers that have disappeared. The number of postups, along with the mixed results, have been consistent, but the heat are closing out on Timmy faster at the elbow. Its really amazing how few open looks he's gotten -credit Miami- which means TD will simply have to step up and knock down some contested shots. Simple as that.

Yeah, you're right. We're not seeing much of Timmy's outside shot. Some is by design (the Heat are small, so its natural to post Timmy up, especially after what Indiana did to them). But the Heat's D is also taking away the open looks at the elbow.

[spurspokesman]

This is sad and very discouraging. The big three have gotten all the support from the role players that they could hope for and yet still continue to play like shit as a unit. Splitter is the exception to the good playing role players smh, he is just god awful and should really accept a bonner like deal after playing this bad. If we lose this year its time to rethink things because everything that could of gone right did save for parkers injury. The role players are either winning games for us or keeping us close and our stars are not getting it done. I will stick by my prediction of spurs in 7 but if we lose game 5 its night night.

[cd98]

I'd like to see him in the post more. He can take anyone on the Heat down there if there's no double team.

[milkyway21]

The Spurs has to find a way to pass the ball to Duncan to win this thing. That's why they lost game two, because they couldn't do that, it only lead to turnovers.

Now that Parker is playing below his capacity because he says he is playing despite injury, fans know & TP knows IF EVER THE SPURS LOSES the title nobody can point fingers on Parker. The pressure is on Duncan. He has to lead this team to win this whole thing. Not just rely on TP. If the quarterback cannot pass the ball : no ball possessions, less shot attempts, low score. Losses the game.
I believe the Spurs can still win it all even if TP plays limited minutes than playing him but he cannot give his all.

And Miami knows how to stop Parker. Much more now that he is not 100% and slow.
Game 3 1st qtr, I think Pop yanked TP once there because of his consecutive turnovers early in the game.
That lead to playing Neal, & Green. Miami panicked there, because they don't have the solution to answer back.

[Capt Bringdown]

Indiana was much more successful scoring down low than the Spurs have been.

[Kidd K]

It's twofold why he isn't getting clean looks imo.

1: Tim needs to establish post position a little sooner, then go into his moves a little quicker. I think they need to also try to strike with very deep post position touches already in the paint with quick finishes like Hibbert did. Timmy is being too classical about it and waiting for the ball at the elbow. It's too predictable for his current age and ability to still score on like he used to. He needs to change it up some.

2: Let's be honest, when Tim gets double and triple teamed, somebody else needs to be doing something. Cut to the rim, move around, do something. Pop needs to develop more elaborate post plays where the rest of the team can be productive and create options for Timmy and force the Heat to make defensive more choices while he is working in the post.


Time to break out every trick in the book. No time like the present.

[TheGreatYacht]

I feel like it is those long jumpers that have disappeared. The number of postups, along with the mixed results, have been consistent, but the heat are closing out on Timmy faster at the elbow. Its really amazing how few open looks he's gotten -credit Miami- which means TD will simply have to step up and knock down some contested shots. Simple as that.LMAO man fuck those jumpers that Timmy takes. Tim Duncan NEEDS to work in the post. He needs to abuse those midgets.

Granted that the Heat are fronting and doubling Tim Duncan without the ball just like they did with Roy Hibbert and David West but still. Duncan needs to tell Pop and the whole team that he is willing to turn back the clock and be the man. Timmy is our franchise player and the main reason why the Spurs have 4 championships. Why not try to do it for two more games?

Parker kept his word and got him to the NBA finals. The time is NOW for TD to take over and lead us to the promise land. Tim needs to demand the ball. His teammates need to pass the ball around to get the ball into the hands of Tim Duncan. When a team is fronting the big guy, the best way to counter that is through ball movement.

Time for Tim Duncan to do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JYc5z0ae2k

[jyra]

The Heat are fronting him on pretty much all postup attempts with Bosh guarding him and denying the entry passes. The Spurs have been way too slow bringing the secondary big/forward up to throw that high low pass. There were also a lot of possessions especially with small ball lineups where Tim would post up, get fronted and no one would even move to the free throw line area to set up that pass. I think that's because the guards are not used to doing that. So I would definitely want to see more of Boris in Game 5 because he is the best on the when it comes to making those high low passes.

[Seventyniner]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201306060MIA.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201306090MIA.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201306110SAS.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201306130SAS.html

Scroll down to Advanced Box Score Stats for the Spurs and look at USG%, or the percentage of possessions used by each player. This counts shot attempts, but also counts free throws and turnovers. It is a much better measure than just FGA for how often a player is "getting the ball".

For Duncan, his USG% has gone 31.1, 25.0, 25.6, 24.9. Thus, game 1 was the outlier, not game 4.

Duncan's season average for USG% is 27.8 fwiw.

[Boomersgold]

More shot attempts for Green and Neal means less attempts for Duncan. It's as simple as that.

[doobs]

He could have had as many as he wanted in game 3. Stupid stat.

[Keepin' it real]

Game 5 will (have to) be Duncan's best game since Game 1, with two days off between games. I was surprised to see that there's not two days off between games 6 and 7. This especially works against 37 year old Duncan.

[#2!]

LMAO man fuck those jumpers that Timmy takes. Tim Duncan NEEDS to work in the post. He needs to abuse those midgets.

Granted that the Heat are fronting and doubling Tim Duncan without the ball just like they did with Roy Hibbert and David West but still. Duncan needs to tell Pop and the whole team that he is willing to turn back the clock and be the man. Timmy is our franchise player and the main reason why the Spurs have 4 championships. Why not try to do it for two more games?

Parker kept his word and got him to the NBA finals. The time is NOW for TD to take over and lead us to the promise land. Tim needs to demand the ball. His teammates need to pass the ball around to get the ball into the hands of Tim Duncan. When a team is fronting the big guy, the best way to counter that is through ball movement.

Time for Tim Duncan to do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JYc5z0ae2k

I agree that we need to figure out how to pass to Tim without turning it over, but the fact is that if Tim could still destroy in the post anytime he felt like it then the spurs wouldn't have changed their entire offensive philosophy to help Parker. That's why Tim worked on those 18 footers so much and he needs to hit them in order to open up driving lanes for himself.

[TheGreatYacht]

I agree that we need to figure out how to pass to Tim without turning it over, but the fact is that if Tim could still destroy in the post anytime he felt like it then the spurs wouldn't have changed their entire offensive philosophy to help Parker. That's why Tim worked on those 18 footers so much and he needs to hit them in order to open up driving lanes for himself.They're not going in. I don't know if it's tired legs but this series is the worst I've ever seen Duncan shoot those 18 footers. Obviously they're not going in so Tim needs to stop shooting them so much.

[skulls138]

Any 18 foot jumpers that go in for Duncan have always felt like icing, not the cake. Duncan is not Bosh and shouldn't be treated as such. Duncan should be given more responsibility, offensively, not just as some floating presence doing the periphery stuff because he is supposedly old, but as the person we need to win a championship, dominant.

[lefty]

I expected him to be much more dominant in this series due to the lack of size @ Heat, but somehow he is not. The fact that shots aren't falling doesn't help either.
Wake up Timmy!
Smaka that 1st GIF in your sig is amazing

[DMC]

Tim's struggles are due in large part to Tiago not demanding a big to cover him. If Tiago draws decent coverage, Tim gets better looks. He has to knock them down and he's not doing so, so he's hesitating and turning it over.

[polandprzem]

Tim needs to have a big game. end of story. He struggles a lot.

[smaka]

Smaka that 1st GIF in your sig is amazing

Thank you! It was posted a couple of times here on ST, somebody made it from a video that was made before the finals started. :toast


Tim needs to have a big game. end of story. He struggles a lot.

http://www.dogster.com/files/post_images/ed900dd01204ec5a5e78b0cd17aab510.jpg
Timmy please have a big game tomorrow :rolleyes:lobt:

[John_C]

Timmy should do a Lebron. Less thinking with the ball, and quicker reaction upon receiving the ball. But this is only viable with Tim's "athleticism" if there is viable spacing, which means the kickout shooters should be putting the ball in the rim.

Our success has for years now relied on consistently putting the 3 ball in the bucket. No 3 ball, no championship for the spurs.

[Strategic]

The problem is that Lebron is playing like he is the best rim defending power forward in the game today. I don't know but I'm not sure that Blair isn't the Spurs best answer. Who else is on the roster that can take the ball and stuff it down their throat? Put him in and tell him no dipsy-do crap, take the ball and stuff it down! The only other player the Spurs have is Baynes, and I'd bet my best corn pipe that he won't be playing any meaningful minutes.