Should Tracy McGrady play instead of Manu Ginobli? 2013 NBA Finals

[TheGreatYacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX1NbiPM788

[Tmac3]

Finally the thread I been waiting for HELL YES!!

[Tmac3]

But you shouldn't give up on Manu either I just want Tmac to get some more minutes

[m33p0]

this is gonna fall flat on it's face.

[Prime Time]

I dislike it when people act like TMac is relevant because of what he accomplished in China..... Ginobili would KILL that league. He still has the smarts and fundamentals, tbh. But against current NBA Talent he struggles to get a quick first step, which was a huge part of his offensive game. Against Chinese talent? 2007 Manu all over again.

[Tmac3]

A healthy Tmac is better than a healthy ginobili

[DJR210]

I am sick of Manu, but would not go this low. I would give minutes to Mills or De Colo before Tmac..

[DJR210]

A healthy Tmac is better than a healthy ginobili

Says the Chinese kid who created an account to reply to this thread..

[unforeseen]

That is getting desperate.

[ElNono]

smdh

[ironman2886]

Tmac can't even score in garbage time. Has he scored 1 point in the postseason? If Spurs lose game 5, I guess you can just throw him in, because the series would be over in 6 or 7.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Stupid thread is stupid

[Baam]

Better question is should TMac help Manu?

The second unit is dysfunctional right now and the question mark on TP's health we can't have the first unit having to make up for a sucky second unit.

Joseph is useless in this series, afraid to shoot, can't make plays, can't defend anyone of importance...

But if you play Boris and TMac all of a sudden you got 3.5 playmakers instead of one and a half (Neal is the half since he can only make plays for himself).

[Em-City]

who are these bums?

[Indazone]

Garbage time is not a good indication of his scoring ability. He needs to be in the heat of it and given the green light.

[Baam]

Tmac can't even score in garbage time. Has he scored 1 point in the postseason? If Spurs lose game 5, I guess you can just throw him in, because the series would be over in 6 or 7.

Yet he looks better driving with the ball than anyone not named Tony Parker.

[Spurs9]

As much as I have hated Ginobili this series, I'd say no. I think Ginobili will turn it around game 5 tbh

[Indazone]

T-Mac was still drawing double teams in garbage time. If he draws double teams with meaningful minutes, that means someone else is always going to be open.

[Andthentherewas21]

T-Mac was still drawing double teams in garbage time. If he draws double teams with meaningful minutes, that means someone else is always going to be open.

If hes still drawing double teams with meaningful minutes, it means its 2005 and the Spurs are worried about guarding Rip Hamilton and Chauncey Billups, not Dwayne Wade and 4 time MVP Lebron

[Tmac3]

Tmac because of what he can do and his length will always garner double teams which is why he would be a good option for at least 10 minutes

[Tmac3]

EXACTLY

[ElNono]

If T-Mac gets a shot, he'll probably get CJ's minutes...

[TheGreatYacht]

Charles Barkley gives his opinion. http://www.nba.com/2013/news/06/14/manu-struggles-in-finals.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts

[TheGoldStandard]

Shoot, might as well give him a shot and absorb Tiago's minutes as they spread it around the bench.

[DMC]

I'll stick with Manu over TMac, win or lose.

[DMC]

Shoot, might as well give him a shot and absorb Tiago's minutes as they spread it around the bench.

No, you don't bench your franchise and give end of bench guy the reins to run your team into the ground. If you're going that route, just dance with the guys who brought you.

[TheGoldStandard]

No, you don't bench your franchise and give end of bench guy the reins to run your team into the ground. If you're going that route, just dance with the guys who brought you.

Franchise? On what planet? this isn't bizzaro world.

[SpurSpurSpurs]

That is getting desperate.

2012 all over again.

[100%duncan]

No.

[kobexxx]

yup TMac was scoring leader in NBA before.. that skill will not just go away..look at Kobe and tim D. Spurs should use him. He might win a game for the team. Its desperation times.. what else is new

[HEBsteaks]

It's not panic time, so I would let game 5 play out and see what happens, as a clean game by the Spurs gives them a great chance to win. Now, before game 5 even starts, if I was Pop, I would have a T-Mac adjustment in mind. This is about the team, not Manu. All I heard these playoffs is "He will play better", how long do we have to wait until he plays better? Game 1 of next season after losing the championship? It's been long enough, he won't play better. If he does, at this point, its a fluke.

People are crapping all over T-Mac based off of his garbage time minutes and throwing away anything he accomplished in China. They rather lose with Manu, than take a chance. T-Mac may physically be past his prime, but mentally, I believe he still has it. Neither me or the Spurs would be looking for him to score more than 10+ points, so don't even mention all the missed shots near 3pt land in garbage time. He would bring what the Spurs need: mobile size, rebounds, ball control/passing and possibly some good defense and scoring. Question his hustle? While its true he was slow during garbage time, he always gave effort to rebound, pass and play defense. Plus I don't think a player like T-Mac, who once was at the top of the league, would get all excited for garbage playtime with 0% effect on the outcome of the game. Although, he DID move a lot faster in game 3 during the blowout.

I don't want to lose the championship and have myself or others later on wondering, what if? If the Spurs come out and play well, he sits. If Manu is playing like crap and the Spurs need an adjustment, give T-mac a chance. I'm not calling for him to start or get 20 minutes, just see what he does with 5 minutes. He might be too slow for the Heat or just be completely unready/crappy, OR he could come out and fill a Spurs need. Would it be a panic move or a calculated risk/move?

I'm not going to be a sunshine pumping person who follows the rest of the sheep while sitting on a high horse. TD and TP have played well, but for the most part, the BIG 3 aren't pulling their weight. Kawhi and Green have been doing a ton of work. If a player is on the team, they should ALWAYS be given a look. I don't care if its CoJo, DeColo, Blair, Mills, T-Mac or even Baynes. If they could help, it should be a possibility.

[DMC]

Franchise? On what planet? this isn't bizzaro world.

Manu is part of the big 3. If you think Manu doesn't sell a huge portion of the tickets, you're living in on a different planet. You don't bench Manu in the Finals to play a washed up TMac. You live with your bread and butter players and their results because that's much easier to explain than why you benched one of your best players for a guy you just recently acquired who was one foot out the NBA door already... when you lose. The 2nd guessing would be rampant. It's much easier to say "we just didn't have enough to get the job done... we faced a better team, we hit our ceiling... I'm proud of these guys blah blah blah" than "Well we wanted to give TMac a shot since Manu wasn't getting it done... but we didn't know we'd lose by 30 and TMac would have 7 turnovers and go 0 for 10 from the 3 and totally fuck up our rhythm since he's not even really practiced with the team... but I thought it was a good idea to just shitcan Manu after all the years he's given us for this fucktard from Houston who couldn't get an NBA gig earlier in the year"

[peacemaker885]

Look Manu isn't playing great. He admits it. Pop admits it. Tim admits it. One thing is for sure though - the guy is due a good game or two. I still believe that he can help get it done.

[Indazone]

It's not panic time, so I would let game 5 play out and see what happens, as a clean game by the Spurs gives them a great chance to win. Now, before game 5 even starts, if I was Pop, I would have a T-Mac adjustment in mind. This is about the team, not Manu. All I heard these playoffs is "He will play better", how long do we have to wait until he plays better? Game 1 of next season after losing the championship? It's been long enough, he won't play better. If he does, at this point, its a fluke.

People are crapping all over T-Mac based off of his garbage time minutes and throwing away anything he accomplished in China. They rather lose with Manu, than take a chance. T-Mac may physically be past his prime, but mentally, I believe he still has it. Neither me or the Spurs would be looking for him to score more than 10+ points, so don't even mention all the missed shots near 3pt land in garbage time. He would bring what the Spurs need: mobile size, rebounds, ball control/passing and possibly some good defense and scoring. Question his hustle? While its true he was slow during garbage time, he always gave effort to rebound, pass and play defense. Plus I don't think a player like T-Mac, who once was at the top of the league, would get all excited for garbage playtime with 0% effect on the outcome of the game. Although, he DID move a lot faster in game 3 during the blowout.

I don't want to lose the championship and have myself or others later on wondering, what if? If the Spurs come out and play well, he sits. If Manu is playing like crap and the Spurs need an adjustment, give T-mac a chance. I'm not calling for him to start or get 20 minutes, just see what he does with 5 minutes. He might be too slow for the Heat or just be completely unready/crappy, OR he could come out and fill a Spurs need. Would it be a panic move or a calculated risk/move?

I'm not going to be a sunshine pumping person who follows the rest of the sheep while sitting on a high horse. TD and TP have played well, but for the most part, the BIG 3 aren't pulling their weight. Kawhi and Green have been doing a ton of work. If a player is on the team, they should ALWAYS be given a look. I don't care if its CoJo, DeColo, Blair, Mills, T-Mac or even Baynes. If they could help, it should be a possibility.

This! This is how you do it!

[Indazone]

T-Mac can be the backup point guard for that matter. He has great handles and has great court vision.

[Rapper]

T mac told me he is ready to play he would be very aggresive if his number is called , he is ready to give a Huge contribution to the spurs coming off the bench

Trust me, T mac is desiring to play !!!!!

[DMC]

You'd think people would learn from Vogel's mistake of sitting Hibbert because of some gimmicky attempt at hero coaching that you don't take those risks as a coach.

[Rapper]

You'd think people would learn from Vogel's mistake of sitting Hibbert because of some gimmicky attempt at hero coaching that you don't take those risks as a coach.

Take the risk ,win the championship

[DMC]

Take the risk ,win the championship

Even thought TMac never made it out of the 1st round in his prime.

Ok.

No thanks, I'll stick with a proven performer.

[100%duncan]

Take the risk ,win the championship

Take the risk? Win the 'ship?

Where the fuck is Frank Vogel now?

[ElNono]

Being 2-2 is desperation time?

[jermaine]

The fact that we hwve him at our disposal is the reason we should use him. Why not play him an Manu at the same time. Give Manu the time to be a slasher an get open to boost his confidence. When you wanna play small, let Tmac play the 3 or the 2 an Leonard play for 4. Its a million ways to play Tmac without benching Manu. I'm waiting for manu to step up like everyone else. Ride or die, but if he costs us a championship, dont be stupid to resign his ass. I love manu, but if its time to move on then its time to move on.

[ElNono]

The fact that we hwve him at our disposal is the reason we should use him. Why not play him an Manu at the same time. Give Manu the time to be a slasher an get open to boost his confidence. When you wanna play small, let Tmac play the 3 or the 2 an Leonard play for 4. Its a million ways to play Tmac without benching Manu. I'm waiting for manu to step up like everyone else. Ride or die, but if he costs us a championship, dont be stupid to resign his ass. I love manu, but if its time to move on then its time to move on.

No single player 'costs you a championship'. Your team as a whole was either good enough to beat the other team or not.

EDIT: Obviously, I'm talking about every player being available. If Tony/Tim go down with an injury that's a different story.

[DMC]

The fact that we hwve him at our disposal is the reason we should use him. Why not play him an Manu at the same time. Give Manu the time to be a slasher an get open to boost his confidence. When you wanna play small, let Tmac play the 3 or the 2 an Leonard play for 4. Its a million ways to play Tmac without benching Manu. I'm waiting for manu to step up like everyone else. Ride or die, but if he costs us a championship, dont be stupid to resign his ass. I love manu, but if its time to move on then its time to move on.

He's an insurance policy in case someone goes down. You guys need to hit the "live" button on your mental remotes and come back to the present.

[jermaine]

No single player 'costs you a championship'. Your team as a whole was either good enough to beat the other team or not.

EDIT: Obviously, I'm talking about every player being available. If Tony/Tim go down with an injury that's a different story.
Have you been watching the finals? Wade stepped up on the offensive end, an Bosh did on the defensive end. The whole team didn't. The Heat won. Manu an his bonehead plays or when he did deliver a great pass, the bigs (mainly Tiago) couldn't finish. 1 person does make a difference. 2pts till the 4th qtr is beyond trash. Thats just pathetic

[jermaine]

Some of you are soooo fucking stupid. He's a insurance player. You sound stupid as shit. If someone gets hurt you'll expect him to produce right!?! But not if someone is looking like its time to retire. You ass backwards mofos are retarded. He's on the fucking roster! Play him.... I dint say bench Manu to play him. Let them play together an let Manu become a slasher.

[DMC]

Have you been watching the finals? Wade stepped up on the offensive end, an Bosh did on the defensive end. The whole team didn't. The Heat won. Manu an his bonehead plays or when he did deliver a great pass, the bigs (mainly Tiago) couldn't finish. 1 person does make a difference. 2pts till the 4th qtr is beyond trash. Thats just pathetic

In the previous game Danny and Gary stepped up and the Spurs won.

The Spurs swept the Grizzlies. They found a way. They will find a way or they will lose. It would be stupid to take your best shot and toss it out for what's behind door number 2.

[ElNono]

Have you been watching the finals? Wade stepped up on the offensive end, an Bosh did on the defensive end. The whole team didn't. The Heat won. Manu an his bonehead plays or when he did deliver a great pass, the bigs (mainly Tiago) couldn't finish. 1 person does make a difference. 2pts till the 4th qtr is beyond trash. Thats just pathetic

We gave them 20 turnovers and they scored about 20pts off them... that's the game. And I've been watching the finals. They're a damn good team. That's why they're the defending champs.

On the same note, we took two games from them and it's a 2-2 series.

It's normally not that hard to see why you won or lost. It's never a single player.

[DMC]

Some of you are soooo fucking stupid. He's a insurance player. You sound stupid as shit. If someone gets hurt you'll expect him to produce right!?! But not if someone is looking like its time to retire. You ass backwards mofos are retarded. He's on the fucking roster! Play him.... I dint say bench Manu to play him. Let them play together an let Manu become a slasher.

No, you don't expect him to produce. Do you expect Matt Bonner to produce? Do you expect Cory Joseph to produce? Of course not. You expect them to defend, take the intentional foul if needed, act as a decoy, whatever. You don't put TMac in and expect anything. You hope, but expecting would make you a fucking moron. Pop isn't a moron.

[ElNono]

I dint say bench Manu to play him. Let them play together an let Manu become a slasher.

I'm good with that. Plus I don't care how much people think Manu should get yanked, Pop will play him. He's an integral part of the group of guys that got this team this far.

The only way Manu sits is if he's in foul trouble. Otherwise he's going to play. So let's just start hoping he plays well.

[Rapper]

How can you compare Hibbert to Ginoibli ? and the way how can you compare frank vogel to pop?

Hibbert is the core of the pacers and Manu is gone already so why donˊt you just take the risk to play T mac instead of Manu in maybe 10 mins?

Manu now is the biggest problem to the team on both ends you have to think out of the box for winning the extremely critical Game 5

Tmac is ready to play he is in good sharp and I strongly believe in him the way you believe in our Big 3 Tmac had a very tough time in China last year I know he treasures every moment in the NBA especially NBA Finals where he used to dream to be

Gentlemen, please give him a chnace, a chance to win a championship for us

[therealtruth]

You'd think people would learn from Vogel's mistake of sitting Hibbert because of some gimmicky attempt at hero coaching that you don't take those risks as a coach.

I agree as a coach it's better to lose by believing in your principles than to lose by panicking or over adjusting.

[FkLA]

No, he shouldnt.

[DMX7]

Have you seen TMAC, he has not looked good even against scrubs.

[Spurs Brazil]

Should Tracy McGrady play instead of Manu Ginobli?

:lmao:rollin:lol

[Strategic]

I would hate to see Pop get away from what's been working half of the time. I think last year when he ran from success against OKC it cost the Spurs that series. That being said, TMac may be an answer for the lost post rotation. Some may think that McGrady could be the back up point guard. That was already said about Diaw. The difference between Tracy and Boris is that fans wouldn't be screaming because TMac just passed up a wide open 14 footer like we do with Diaw. I think that McGrady and Baynes would be hard for Miami to defend, but do not think they will see any time.

[TJastal]

I'd try T-mac in place of Neal before I'd pull the plug on Manu. Neal has hit big shots but he's been the biggest defensive liability on the court for the spurs in every game of this series so far.

[Raven]

:rollin

[CubanMustGo]

yup TMac was scoring leader in NBA before.. that skill will not just go away..look at Kobe and tim D. Spurs should use him. He might win a game for the team. Its desperation times.. what else is new

In six games since returning to the NBA Tmac has scored zero points against scrubs. smh

[Tmac3]

He had no help

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

He could spread the court

[Tmac3]

It couldn't hurt playing him a little more

[ace3g]

I mentioned in another thread if you are going to play TMac it would be at PF and take some of Splitter's minutes.

[Indazone]

Parker's backup is typically Ginobili but the suckage is obvious right now. The other point guards can't match Parker's efficiency. It's obvious that the Spurs greatest weakness is at backup point guard. T-Mac was used extensively by Van Gundy as the point guard. He can play shooting guard and also small forward and some power forward because of his size. But I'd run him at backup point guard. You could go with T-Mac, Parker, Ginobili, at the same time for short stints with Duncan and Green. That might actually give the Heat a lot of trouble.

[therealtruth]

TMac's benefit will be in finding the bigs. The Spurs are not finding the bigs in the pick and roll. Our bigs were supposed to be a strength but we haven't be able to put them in a position to be successful. The ball has to go inside to force the defense to collapse.

[fotan2]

playing tmac as the point is possible since pop used to put brent berry at the point a few years ago agaisnt the lakers. it would have turned out just fine if the non-call didn't happen.
i can't tell the difference between the tmac now and the berry then except for tmac not being able to knock down an open shot.
but, ya its a panic move thats not gonna happen with a player who has only been with the team for 2 months.

[therealtruth]

playing tmac as the point is possible since pop used to put brent berry at the point a few years ago agaisnt the lakers. it would have turned out just fine if the non-call didn't happen.
i can't tell the difference between the tmac now and the berry then except for tmac not being able to knock down an open shot.
but, ya its a panic move thats not gonna happen with a player who has only been with the team for 2 months.

Not a panic move if he uses it stategically. CJ has been getting minutes and he's at times looked inexperienced. Unfortunately I have to say it but depending on what happens tomorrow Pop may be getting outcoached by Spoelstra. The Spurs were looking good till he inserted Mike Miller in the starting lineup. It doesn't make sense for Pop to abandon the improved defense that has allowed the Spurs to get to this point in order to match up with the best small ball in the league. If you're going to lose, do it by playing to your identity not trying to match the other team's.

[TheGoldStandard]

Manu is part of the big 3. If you think Manu doesn't sell a huge portion of the tickets, you're living in on a different planet. You don't bench Manu in the Finals to play a washed up TMac. You live with your bread and butter players and their results because that's much easier to explain than why you benched one of your best players for a guy you just recently acquired who was one foot out the NBA door already... when you lose. The 2nd guessing would be rampant. It's much easier to say "we just didn't have enough to get the job done... we faced a better team, we hit our ceiling... I'm proud of these guys blah blah blah" than "Well we wanted to give TMac a shot since Manu wasn't getting it done... but we didn't know we'd lose by 30 and TMac would have 7 turnovers and go 0 for 10 from the 3 and totally fuck up our rhythm since he's not even really practiced with the team... but I thought it was a good idea to just shitcan Manu after all the years he's given us for this fucktard from Houston who couldn't get an NBA gig earlier in the year"

I will say yes Manu is apart of the Big 3 and he probably sells a lot of jerseys and tickets but that's all moot when it comes to results in the Finals. I'll use Tim Tebow as an example, sure he sells a lot of jerseys, brings media hype to an organization but there is no way that I'd play him over half the QB's in the league regardless of how old they are.. The point is Manu has been struggling and it's been worse as the rounds go by, he was decent against LA, then started to struggle against Golden State aside from a few big time hits after big time bone head plays, then wasn't really relevant against the Grizz. He's not performing and I'd rather try to spread minutes around to someone else who might spark something off the bench who wants to contribute, someone that the other team hasn't seen with our "stars" or our first string in order to spice things up. I'm not saying to entirely bench Manu but we need to mix it up or else we'll be seeing the same result and wondering why we're losing.

[DMC]

I will say yes Manu is apart of the Big 3 and he probably sells a lot of jerseys and tickets but that's all moot when it comes to results in the Finals. I'll use Tim Tebow as an example, sure he sells a lot of jerseys, brings media hype to an organization but there is no way that I'd play him over half the QB's in the league regardless of how old they are.. The point is Manu has been struggling and it's been worse as the rounds go by, he was decent against LA, then started to struggle against Golden State aside from a few big time hits after big time bone head plays, then wasn't really relevant against the Grizz. He's not performing and I'd rather try to spread minutes around to someone else who might spark something off the bench who wants to contribute, someone that the other team hasn't seen with our "stars" or our first string in order to spice things up. I'm not saying to entirely bench Manu but we need to mix it up or else we'll be seeing the same result and wondering why we're losing.
Because Tebow has 3 championships, an Olympic gold medal and has been one of the best QBs in the league for over 10 years.... great analogy.

[Indazone]

:tu

[ErnestLynch]

Manu's positives have always overcome his negatives. Unfortunately his negatives have overtaken his positives. The one thing that has always irritated me about Manu is his careless passing. If he doesn't outright turn it over he throws such a bad pass that the person handling it turns it over. People in SA have always been over oooohed and ahhhhed at Manu. As soon as he makes one of his wow plays, they develop amnesia at all the damage he's done up to that point. My neighbor is a huge Manu fan and we're always bickering because he blames everything on Tony. He'll point to Tony having more turnovers. 'Yeah' I tell him, because he has the ball in his hands about 10 times more than Manu, if not more. Manu is actually WORSE then he looks statistically and always HAS been. He has to score AT LEAST 15 to just break even as far as I'm concerned. And we haven't seen 30ppg Manu in a few years. Fact is, we should have traded him around 2008 when we could get something for him. As far as I'm concerned he should have been traded in 2006 after the Dirk foul wc semi's. I've never forgiven him for that. That was the Spurs repeat and eventual three-peat making them an undeniable dynasty. He can just do the stupidest shit you've ever seen. And playing him with Tony, Tim and Leonard on the bench, Miami just doubles him and ....turnover city. And this jacking the long threes...man. At this point though, I don't blame Manu, I blame pop. I blame pop for the game 4 loss. You're down 7 to start the 4th and you do so with Leonard, Parker, Duncan on the bench ? And it gets away from them but they still had their chances. He just threw in the towel. Two of my buddies, one from Miami and a Heat fan were texting me, 'what is pop doing' ? Yeah, what the fuck is he doing ? Check your calendar pop. This is the fucking NBA finals pal, not a regular season game in Miami in December. Good lord. What a doofus.

[DMC]

Manu's positives have always overcome his negatives. Unfortunately his negatives have overtaken his positives. The one thing that has always irritated me about Manu is his careless passing. If he doesn't outright turn it over he throws such a bad pass that the person handling it turns it over. People in SA have always been over oooohed and ahhhhed at Manu. As soon as he makes one of his wow plays, they develop amnesia at all the damage he's done up to that point. My neighbor is a huge Manu fan and we're always bickering because he blames everything on Tony. He'll point to Tony having more turnovers. 'Yeah' I tell him, because he has the ball in his hands about 10 times more than Manu, if not more. Manu is actually WORSE then he looks statistically and always HAS been. He has to score AT LEAST 15 to just break even as far as I'm concerned. And we haven't seen 30ppg Manu in a few years. Fact is, we should have traded him around 2008 when we could get something for him. As far as I'm concerned he should have been traded in 2006 after the Dirk foul wc semi's. I've never forgiven him for that. That was the Spurs repeat and eventual three-peat making them an undeniable dynasty. He can just do the stupidest shit you've ever seen. And playing him with Tony, Tim and Leonard on the bench, Miami just doubles him and ....turnover city. And this jacking the long threes...man. At this point though, I don't blame Manu, I blame pop. I blame pop for the game 4 loss. You're down 7 to start the 4th and you do so with Leonard, Parker, Duncan on the bench ? And it gets away from them but they still had their chances. He just threw in the towel. Two of my buddies, one from Miami and a Heat fan were texting me, 'what is pop doing' ? Yeah, what the fuck is he doing ? Check your calendar pop. This is the fucking NBA finals pal, not a regular season game in Miami in December. Good lord. What a doofus.

Manu never scored 30ppg. He might have had a 30pt game, but ppg is average.

Also, it's really easy to be Captain Hindsight but only a fool would have traded Manu away because he fouled Dirk. Without Manu we probably don't get the 2005 ring so the three peat would never have even started.

At least put something other than bile and bromide into your post. You sound like someone who lost money on the deal.

[TrainOfThought5]

If hes still drawing double teams with meaningful minutes, it means its 2005 and the Spurs are worried about guarding Rip Hamilton and Chauncey Billups, not Dwayne Wade and 4 time MVP Lebron

ROFLMAO

[TrainOfThought5]

we desperately need another reliable ball handler who can grt into the paint and make passes without turning he ball over. that person is Tmac.

[dylankerouac]

T-Mac and Manu should play together.

Also, if Splitter keeps going up with soft Blocked shots I'd rather see Blair.

The Spurs can't forget to shoot midrange shots either, Miami was giving them but we kept driving in.

[Tmac3]

Embrace the Mac........Tmac

[therealtruth]

T-Mac and Manu should play together.

Also, if Splitter keeps going up with soft Blocked shots I'd rather see Blair.

The Spurs can't forget to shoot midrange shots either, Miami was giving them but we kept driving in.

Because an undersized center like Blair never gets blocked? Splitter has been hacked and they haven't called it. He needs to go up with more determination and keep the ball high.

[SA210]

Some dude on facebook says TMAC in starting lineup tonight. He didn't give a source. Anyone know if this might be true? lol

[Tmac3]

I surely hope so

[jestersmash]

Some dude on facebook says TMAC in starting lineup tonight. He didn't give a source. Anyone know if this might be true? lol

That's all I read.

[jermaine]

At Sf an Leonard playing pf, I could see that

[Keepin' it real]

Some dude on facebook says TMAC in starting lineup tonight. He didn't give a source. Anyone know if this might be true? lol

You really believe "some dude on facebook" is a reliable source?

[ace3g]

Mike Monroe @Monroe_SA
(http://twitter.com/Monroe_SA)Pop, on if he's using same starters: 'maybe'

[SA210]

You really believe "some dude on facebook" is a reliable source?


No, it's obvious why I then came and asked in here.

[Indazone]

Well Manu proved us wrong and Pop made the right call. Manu needed confidence and Pop gave it to him with his trust in starting him.

But I did find this jewel in Twitter.


@Ehunts12 real_T_Mac Green said that every now and then, T-Mac will do something amazing in practice that makes him say: "There's T-Mac".

[ace3g]

Well Manu proved us wrong and Pop made the right call. Manu needed confidence and Pop gave it to him with his trust in starting him.

But I did find this jewel in Twitter.


@Ehunts12 real (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6855)_T_Mac Green said that every now and then, T-Mac will do something amazing in practice that makes him say: "There's T-Mac".

Was going to post this earlier but thought it was a posted a while back or something similar to it:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/tracy-mcgrady-playing-role-lebron-james-spurs-practices-005513078.html

[spurraider21]

:lmao bruceblitzed blocked me because i called out his latent homosexual love for LeBron

[chapnis]

Please can Ginobli be censored the same way ****** is.

[milkyway21]

I saw TMac's happy face after they win game 5 :lol

[DMC]

Well Manu proved us wrong and Pop made the right call. Manu needed confidence and Pop gave it to him with his trust in starting him.

But I did find this jewel in Twitter.


@Ehunts12 real (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6855)_T_Mac Green said that every now and then, T-Mac will do something amazing in practice that makes him say: "There's T-Mac".

You mean like what, roll an ankle?

[TheGreatYacht]

BruceBlitz was right. MAYBE the Spurs would be the 2013 NBA Champions if McGrady would've played in Game 6 instead of Manu. McGrady might have not scored a single point but it sure beats the Hell out of passing the ball to Heat players with 8 turnovers.



Tracy McGrady says with Ginobili struggling in Finals, he could've help

Written by Jason Price on Tuesday, 03 September 2013 13:30.










It seems not only former Spur DeJuan Blair thought he could have helped the San Antonio Spurs win the NBA Championship. Apparently another former player on the Spurs bench thought he could have contributed as well.

This time Tracy McGrady told ESPN’s First Take the following.

"When we were in the Finals and Manu [Ginobili] was struggling, I felt I could contribute, absolutely," McGrady said (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9601279/tracy-mcgrady-retires-nba-overseas-next).

I guess it’s nice to know that McGrady still had his competitive juices flowing, but he knew his role was to be the insurance policy, meaning he http://projectspurs.com/images/stories/tmacps.jpgwould only see significant minutes if someone went down. For a player that was in China the whole season and a free agent until the final week of the regular season, McGrady apparently thought he had more left in the tank than any NBA teams thought collectively.

If only a rebound or a couple of bounces would have gone the Spurs’ way, we wouldn’t have heard any of these comments. It’s not like the Spurs were completely shellacked. They took the widely regarded best team in the NBA, in their prime, to the absolute brink. So to think that two players in McGrady and Blair, players who didn’t see much time at all, could have changed the outcome seems a little suspect.

McGrady has since announced his retirement from the NBA, and will possibly pursue another year of play in China (http://africa.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2013-09/03/content_16940339.htm).

Spurs fans still can come to their own conclusions. What do you guys think?


http://www.projectspurs.com/2013-articles/september/tracy-mcgrady-says-with-ginobili-struggling-in-finals-he-could-ve-help.html

[Skull-1]

BruceBlitz was right. MAYBE the Spurs would be the 2013 NBA Champions if McGrady would've played in Game 6 instead of Manu. McGrady might have not scored a single point but it sure beats the Hell out of passing the ball to Heat players with 8 turnovers.


http://www.projectspurs.com/2013-articles/september/tracy-mcgrady-says-with-ginobili-struggling-in-finals-he-could-ve-help.html


Haven't you heard? CD021 and his "Advanced Stats" *PROVE* that Manu's horrible turnovers didn't really hurt us. That's right. Ginobili's turnovers don't hurt the team but Leonard's missed free throw (not Manu's TWO missed FTs) and lack of assists do. ???????

[benefactor]

Shut up, faggot

[Skull-1]

Shut up, faggot

Looking in the mirror again I see. Creep. Speaking of homosexual, why are you stalking me all over the internet like a lovesick puppy dog? Get away.

[xmas1997]

I wish McGrady would have done more when he did play, I found myself rooting for him every time he came in, but I don't recall him even trying to make a shot. I wonder why he was so tentative in that area.

[SpursDynasty85]

Old news. But I though Boris Diaw was doing well in the finals and thought he deserved Ginobilis spot in the rotation.

[TMTTRIO]

I'm amazed at all these Manu threads. I wonder if we can go one day without talking about Manu and how he screwed it up for us.

[xmas1997]

I'm amazed at all these Manu threads. I wonder if we can go one day without talking about Manu and how he screwed it up for us.

I wish we could, but these ignorant idiots need their scapegoat in order for them not to blame the whole team for losing.
The really sad part is they are missing the most important thing and that is how proud they should be of this team for getting as far as they did when no one predicted they would even reach the finals, much less almost win it against the highly favored and stacked Heat. That is what makes these Manu hating idiots so shameful! I'm really sorry to think they are Spur fans. More like they are trolls, or even worse than trolls!
I've been a Spur fan ever since they first moved here and never ever saw any Spur fan ever act this pitiful and shameful. That is what Laker, Mav, and lately Heat fans do. I was always proud of the classy Spur fans, but these bastards give Spur fans a bad name because they have no class and no dignity!
:hat

[therealtruth]

I wish McGrady would have done more when he did play, I found myself rooting for him every time he came in, but I don't recall him even trying to make a shot. I wonder why he was so tentative in that area.

Manu was probably just as bad. He wasn't looking to shoot and that's why the Heat were able to pick of so many of his passes.

[Skull-1]

Manu was probably just as bad. He wasn't looking to shoot and that's why the Heat were able to pick of so many of his passes.


Manu with that dreadful stepback pump fake nobody buys anymore.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Manu with that dreadful stepback pump fake nobody buys anymore.

lol you're just mad cause you've became the ST bitch this offseason.

[DMC]

TMac should not have even been on the Spurs roster.

[xmas1997]

TMac should not have even been on the Spurs roster.

Maybe he wasn't supposed to be, but I found myself pleasantly surprised he was there, and hoped he might show some of his old scoring punch.

[Skull-1]

lol you're just mad cause you've became the ST bitch this offseason.


Not hardly, douchebag.

[McGusto55]

No but should have had PT..

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Not hardly, douchebag.
Not hardly? Lmfao

[Skull-1]

Not hardly? Lmfao

Shut it.

[Skull-1]

No but should have had PT..

[CubanMustGo]

smh at anyone thinking a guy who was 0-fer-2013 could have made a positive difference in the Finals. It's no coincidence he retired at the end of the season.

[PlayNando]

tgy is an idiot

[Skull-1]

tgy is an idiot

Playnando is a used tampon with a lower IQ.

[Skull-1]

smh at anyone thinking a guy who was 0-fer-2013 could have made a positive difference in the Finals. It's no coincidence he retired at the end of the season.

At least his assists went for the Spurs.

[Chillen]

The Spurs gave Tmac garbage minutes and when he did come in he didn't have a rhythm with his shot (which is why he didn't score a point as a Spur). Playing him with the starters and getting him comfortable might have proven otherwise. Yes, Ginobili's turnovers in game 6 came back to bite the Spurs in the Finals, bigtime. It's anyones guess what happens if Pop sat Manu the whole game 6 and played Tmac or someone else instead. It doesn't matter anymore as the Heat players have the rings and the Spurs players went home fishing. To think if the Spurs don't make it back to the Finals in 2014 how much that Finals will continue to haunt the fans. I would at least like that Spurs team to get back to that point in 2014 to redeem themselves for the Finals loss. Win or lose just getting back should be enough motivation for this Spurs team. Before they made the 2013 Finals it was six years since 2007 when they beat the Cavs they last made it in, so I hope it's enough motivation to get back there for the Spurs and all their fans. So yeah the whole Spurs team motivation for the 2014 season should be just to return to the Finals and be given another chance to win it all.

[kobexxx]

hes retired

[PlayNando]

Playnando is a used tampon with a lower IQ.
R u tgys lover or somthin? A ll u do is su nhus de vCard k o these forysnz.

[Skull-1]

R u tgys lover or somthin? A ll u do is su nhus de vCard k o these forysnz.

What?

U r a ewnd wdnwo er do whaz humph reag mundo.