Celtics deep in talks to send Rivers, Garnett to the Clippers

[irishock]

The Boston Celtics (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/bos;_ylt=An1FevP7wsUE_8cTymFw1VqO7Ox_;_ylu=X3oDMTF ycHRwNmxkBG1pdANBUlRJQ0xFIEFydGljbGUgQm9keQRwb3MDM QRzZWMDTWVkaWFBcnRpY2xlQm9keUFzc2VtYmx5;_ylg=X3oDM TJ2YXFhMmVzBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNzM 4MDRkYjAtZTQ4YS0zYWI1LTg2OWEtNmNkZDkxNGVjZGQ3BHBzd GNhdANob21lfGV4cGVydHMEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdl;_ylv=3) are deep in discussions with the Los Angeles Clippers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/lac;_ylt=Ar1VwpLD7GJu2TrnP7luTWKO7Ox_;_ylu=X3oDMTF ydHEyY29wBG1pdANBUlRJQ0xFIEFydGljbGUgQm9keQRwb3MDM gRzZWMDTWVkaWFBcnRpY2xlQm9keUFzc2VtYmx5;_ylg=X3oDM TJ2YXFhMmVzBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNzM 4MDRkYjAtZTQ4YS0zYWI1LTg2OWEtNmNkZDkxNGVjZGQ3BHBzd GNhdANob21lfGV4cGVydHMEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdl;_ylv=3) on a blockbuster deal to send coach Doc Rivers and Kevin Garnett (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3007;_ylt=AjydLBHFCdIK2dltU0bdD2GO7Ox_;_ylu=X3oDMT FydDF1M2t0BG1pdANBUlRJQ0xFIEFydGljbGUgQm9keQRwb3MD MwRzZWMDTWVkaWFBcnRpY2xlQm9keUFzc2VtYmx5;_ylg=X3oD MTJ2YXFhMmVzBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNz M4MDRkYjAtZTQ4YS0zYWI1LTg2OWEtNmNkZDkxNGVjZGQ3BHBz dGNhdANob21lfGV4cGVydHMEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdl;_ylv=3) to Los Angeles, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
The final hurdle of a deal centers on the Clippers' willingness to include guard Eric Bledsoe (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4749;_ylt=AhRIr4CY_YMaCyzbgMrphLCO7Ox_;_ylu=X3oDMT FyZ2lldDBnBG1pdANBUlRJQ0xFIEFydGljbGUgQm9keQRwb3MD NARzZWMDTWVkaWFBcnRpY2xlQm9keUFzc2VtYmx5;_ylg=X3oD MTJ2YXFhMmVzBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNz M4MDRkYjAtZTQ4YS0zYWI1LTg2OWEtNmNkZDkxNGVjZGQ3BHBz dGNhdANob21lfGV4cGVydHMEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdl;_ylv=3) into a trade package with Boston, sources said.
http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/g3PlbGtfs7IJnFKFVZ44RQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTI1MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Sports/USA_Today/20130413_ajl_ad8_133-d69fbe6ae56cc06c56f3b7cb56c3159cThe Celtics would like to land Clippers point guard Eric Bledsoe. (USA Today Sports)Boston and Los Angeles are discussing a package that will send DeAndre Jordan and two first-round picks to the Celtics for Garnett and the right to hire Rivers as coach, sources said.
Garnett will waive his no-trade clause to go to the Clippers, where he'll be reunited with Rivers. Celtics assistant Ty Lue also will likely join them in Los Angeles, sources told Yahoo! Sports.
Clippers owner Donald Sterling is prepared to pay Rivers in the neighborhood of the $7 million annual salary he currently holds with the Celtics, front office sources said. Rivers has three years and $21 million left on his Boston deal.
If a deal is agreed upon, Rivers will likely speak to Chris Paul immediately on his willingness to re-signing with Los Angeles, sources said.
Rivers can't be part of a player transaction, but the inclusion of the draft picks – and perhaps Bledsoe – would allow Boston to free him of his contractual obligations.
The Celtics and Rivers want a finality to these talks, and there's pressure to complete a deal in the next two days or walk away completely, sources said.

[mercos]

Bad move for the Clippers. Rivers is a good, but not great coach. KG is done. While Deandre Jordan is not a star to build around, I think he is a decent role player. If they give up two draft picks and Bledsoe, just wow.

[UZER]

uh oh, spurs in the finals. time for another "big move" for the nba to survive :cry

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Doc Rivers :lol..

[Clipper Nation]

Bad move for the Clippers. Rivers is a good, but not great coach. KG is done. While Deandre Jordan is not a star to build around, I think he is a decent role player. If they give up two draft picks and Bledsoe, just wow.
Doc is a top 3 coach in the league, who's really better than him other than Pop and Thibs? Maybe that says more about NBA coaches in general than it does about Doc, though....

Pierce and KG can still be productive since they wouldn't be the focal point of the team like they were in Boston, plus after they retire, that's instant cap space for either 2014 or 2015, tbh.....

[Clipper Nation]

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:lmao

[whitemamba]

Doc is a top 3 coach in the league, who's really better than him other than Pop and Thibs? Maybe that says more about NBA coaches in general than it does about Doc, though....

Pierce and KG can still be productive since they wouldn't be the focal point of the team like they were in Boston, plus after they retire, that's instant cap space for either 2014 or 2015, tbh.....

really?

[Bill_Brasky]

:lol Doc Rivers :lol..

He'll be fired after 2 underachieving seasons.

[mercos]

Doc is a top 3 coach in the league, who's really better than him other than Pop and Thibs? Maybe that says more about NBA coaches in general than it does about Doc, though....

Pierce and KG can still be productive since they wouldn't be the focal point of the team like they were in Boston, plus after they retire, that's instant cap space for either 2014 or 2015, tbh.....

Just not a lot of great coaches out there right now IMO. Don't get me wrong, Doc is a HUGE upgrade over Vinny Del Negro. People want to put him into elite territory after the big three carried Boston to two Finals appearances. Those same people forget he did nothing in the years prior to getting their big three.

It will be interesting to see if this move is enough to convince Chris Paul to resign. I don't think its enough to make the Clippers favorites in the West by a long shot though. I'd still have OKC, San Antonio, and even Houston (if they get Howard) ranked above them.

[DMC]

That's what the Clippers need, another chest thumping monkey to lose in the 1st round. That should just about kill Sterling.

[DMC]

Doc is a top 3 coach in the league, who's really better than him other than Pop and Thibs? Maybe that says more about NBA coaches in general than it does about Doc, though....

Pierce and KG can still be productive since they wouldn't be the focal point of the team like they were in Boston, plus after they retire, that's instant cap space for either 2014 or 2015, tbh.....

Clippers don't need a new coach. They need a new system, meaning they need a new GM and scouts.

[JamStone]

Doc is a top 3 coach in the league, who's really better than him other than Pop and Thibs? Maybe that says more about NBA coaches in general than it does about Doc, though....

Pierce and KG can still be productive since they wouldn't be the focal point of the team like they were in Boston, plus after they retire, that's instant cap space for either 2014 or 2015, tbh.....

Doc is a mediocre coach. But so are most of the head coaches in the NBA. Before the Celtics were gifted KG and Ray Allen in the summer of 2007, Doc was leading the Celtics to the second worst record in the league and fans wanted him fired. Without T-Mac putting up arguably the best individual stats from a wing player since Jordan and before LeBron in a terrible Eastern Conference and without three future HOFers, the perception of Doc as a head coach would be much, much different. But again, I don't think there are many good coaches in the league anyway, and he'd have to be an upgrade over the Negro.

The one thing I will say about Doc is that when he does have talent, he does appear to manage egos well, command the respect of his players, and he gets out of their way so the talent can just play. If CP3 re-signs, he will have talent on the Clippers. If it happens and the only good thing that comes of the hire is CP3 re-signs with the Clippers, then the move is worth it.

[td4mvp2k]

:lol same ol clipps...

[Michael Jordan.]

Brad Turner (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner) @BA_Turner (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner) 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner/statuses/346036499860553729)
Clippers moving forward without Doc Rivers, now prepared to offer job to Brian Shaw or Lionel Hollins next week, sources



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[Clipper Nation]

Brad Turner (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner) @BA_Turner (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner) 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner/statuses/346036499860553729)
Clippers moving forward without Doc Rivers, now prepared to offer job to Brian Shaw or Lionel Hollins next week, sources



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That sounds like a leverage play to me, tbh, they REALLY don't want to give up Bledsoe.... should be interesting to see who caves first....

[irishock]

really?

Agree with CN tbh. Both KG and Pierce don't rely on athleticism to remain productive.

[Michael Jordan.]

Brad Turner (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner) @BA_Turner (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner) about 13 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner/statuses/346043187896414209)
Doc Rivers been informed Clippers won't accept Celtics offer. Rivers prepared to stay in Boston, sources.



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[GuerillaBlack]

Lol, SAS announcing this months ago.

[Clipper Nation]

Good move by the Clipps - they now have all the leverage.... either Ainge comes back and compromises on a fair deal, or he's stuck with a mediocre team with a coach who wants out, tbh....

[baseline bum]

Why do people scoff the Clippers for this deal? Getting out of Jordan's contract would be huge for them even if they gave him away for nothing, but to get a vet like Garnett who could still give them some good minutes would make this deal even better. Obviously they should try to hold out to keep Bledsoe, but we saw how well the Clippers play poker when they gave away Cornerstone for no good reason in the Paul trade. I agree that Rivers is an average coach, but that's an enormous upgrade over Del Negro and the only good coach out there right now (Sloan) could never run a monkeyball team. I mean Jordan really is shit.

[djohn2oo8]

Adrian Wojnarowski (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) @WojYahooNBA (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) 4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/346054622772862979)
Source involved in Celtics-Clippers discussions tells Yahoo! Sports: "Not looking good, but I wouldn't say (it's over) for sure."



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[Clipper Nation]

Obviously they should try to hold out to keep Bledsoe, but we saw how well the Clippers play poker when they gave away Cornerstone for no good reason in the Paul trade.

Cornerstone wasn't the sticking point in that trade, Bledsoe was..... they played poker and won by not having to include Bledsoe, tbh.... now we'll get to see if they do it again....

Ainge should be fired immediately if he doesn't get this deal done, that team will be a mess if he keeps the status quo, tbh....

[baseline bum]

And Bledsoe is kind of overrated here for having a decent defensive series against Parker in the 2012 second round. If the Celtics officially cut Pierce and Garnett can convince him to come to the Clippers then I make this deal faster than a rabbit get fucked.

[djohn2oo8]

Arash Markazi (http://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi) @ArashMarkazi (http://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi) 1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/statuses/346057493270638592)
Hornets wanted Bledsoe is CP3 deal but Clippers refused. Now the Celtics want him in this deal. They still won't budge.




Dan Woike (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports) @DanWoikeSports (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports) 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports/statuses/346057265511542784)

Boston asked for DJ, Bled and 2 No. 1 picks. LAC countered with DJ and one No. 1 pick. Neither side satisfied.




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[baseline bum]

Cornerstone wasn't the sticking point in that trade, Bledsoe was..... they played poker and won by not having to include Bledsoe, tbh.... now we'll get to see if they do it again....

Ainge should be fired immediately if he doesn't get this deal done, that team will be a mess if he keeps the status quo, tbh....

On paper it's a beyond retarded move. But considering how good next year's draft class is it might not be a bad idea to win 25 games next season (which is exactly what a core of Rondo/Bradley/Green/Jordan will get you).

[Clipper Nation]

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And Bledsoe is kind of overrated here for having a decent defensive series against Parker in the 2012 second round.
He shut down Conley in the first round that year, too:

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This season, he became the only player 5'2" or shorter in NBA history to have over 50 blocks in a season.... he can't run an offense, but defensively, he's insane when he actually gets minutes...

[Clipper Nation]

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[Clipper Nation]

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:lol Good luck with that, Ainge, it's either gonna be the Clippers or NBA TV for Doc at this point.... might as well get this deal done, tbh....

[DAF86]

Doc is a mediocre coach. But so are most of the head coaches in the NBA. Before the Celtics were gifted KG and Ray Allen in the summer of 2007, Doc was leading the Celtics to the second worst record in the league and fans wanted him fired. Without T-Mac putting up arguably the best individual stats from a wing player since Jordan and before LeBron in a terrible Eastern Conference and without three future HOFers, the perception of Doc as a head coach would be much, much different. But again, I don't think there are many good coaches in the league anyway, and he'd have to be an upgrade over the Negro.

The one thing I will say about Doc is that when he does have talent, he does appear to manage egos well, command the respect of his players, and he gets out of their way so the talent can just play. If CP3 re-signs, he will have talent on the Clippers. If it happens and the only good thing that comes of the hire is CP3 re-signs with the Clippers, then the move is worth it.

tbh, Doc won CoY with a team full of scrubs (plus Ben Wallace before he was Ben Wallace). Not that that means much but just throwing it out there.

[100%duncan]

Bledsoe is overrated as hell tbh. If you can resign CP3 for this season, you can just go for another decent guard out there and a taller one to back up Paul. Getting rid of Monkeyball Jordan is the best part of this deal. They also get to have KG. Ancient KG>>>>>Jordan. If Celtics won't give up Rivers, then you can go for Shaw or Hollins.

Overall a very good situation for dem Clips right now.

[LkrFan]

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He shut down Conley in the first round that year, too:

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This season, he became the only player 5'2" or shorter in NBA history to have over 50 blocks in a season.... he can't run an offense, but defensively, he's insane when he actually gets minutes...
Is he Blackanese? -15 points s:loln

[JamStone]

tbh, Doc won CoY with a team full of scrubs (plus Ben Wallace before he was Ben Wallace). Not that that means much but just throwing it out there.

Right, in one of the oddest COY selections ever. Doc was a rookie head coach and his team exceeded expectations. But they were still a .500 team that didn't even make the playoffs in a shitfuck Eastern Conference. Over the past decade or so, the COY has proven to be one of the shittiest indicators of how good a coach is. In fact, many times, it's shown within a few years that the COY is really a shitty coach and he's fired. I'd say up to 90% of the time, the talent on a team's roster will rule how good or bad an NBA head coach is perceived.

[LnGrrrR]

Would be cool with a trade if we got something decent. It would give KG and Pierce a better chance to ring, and some good rebuilding blocks for the Cs.

[Clipper Nation]

Btw, very impressed with what Gary Sacks has been doing so far this offseason - interviewing very solid coaches like Brian Shaw, trying to make power moves, and putting Danny Ainge in a bind.... dude's earning every single one of those EoY votes, tbh....

[Rogue]

They could've acquired him in February this year but is it gonna be a huge leap forward for Clippers, even if they can get the deal done?

Keeping CP should be their top priority this offseason, and I don't think the package of TOSB + top10 draft flop would bring anything significant to the Clippers squad. Spurs and OKC will still be the best two teams for the foreseeable future, and don't forget Dallas will also come back strong next season

[Chinook]

I see Bledsoe is the new JJ Hickson...

I wouldn't do the deal for just Jordan and a first. They may as well just let Rivers go and let Garnett retire for that. They need a good young player, or at least more than one first and a salary albatross. Hell, even Kurt Thomas was worth more than that.

[Clipper Nation]

KG is 37 years old.... Ainge is delusional if he thinks he's getting more than DJ + 2 picks max.....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Right, in one of the oddest COY selections ever. Doc was a rookie head coach and his team exceeded expectations. But they were still a .500 team that didn't even make the playoffs in a shitfuck Eastern Conference. Over the past decade or so, the COY has proven to be one of the shittiest indicators of how good a coach is. In fact, many times, it's shown within a few years that the COY is really a shitty coach and he's fired. I'd say up to 90% of the time, the talent on a team's roster will rule how good or bad an NBA head coach is perceived.
Just to add to this, this year's COY wasn't even brought back by his team :lol

It's a meaningless award that most of the time is given to coaches who emphasis regular season victories with gimmicky bullshit so their flawed roster overachieves.

[Chinook]

KG is 37 years old.... Ainge is delusional if he thinks he's getting more than DJ + 2 picks max.....

It's just that the picks are essentially meaningless if the Clippers keep Paul and get Garnett and Pierce. Also, Nash was apparently worth four picks, and Camby was worth two picks (second-rounders, though) and three players. If the Celtics love Jordan, I guess him and two picks not a bad deal, but I've never cared for him myself, and he at least needs a good coach to take him to the next level.

[Jacob1983]

Why would KG and Rivers want to go to the Western Conference? Does Rivers not know about KG's history in the playoffs when he played in the Western Conference? KG won 2 playoff series when he was on the Wolves. He's been to the Finals twice while he's been on the Celtics. They are just setting up themselves for future first round exits.

[LnGrrrR]

KG and Pierce are still productive players. Sure, they're old, but unless the wheels completely fall off they can help a contender. Sadly, I don't think the C's are contenders right now; only Rondo, Sully, Bradley and sometimes Bass seem to be real gamers. Lee wilted, Fab is still a raw mess, etc etc.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Clippers don't need Garnett tbh. Doc is a good coach but its not like he's a cut above the rest, he lucked out coaching KG, Pierce and Allen when all still had some juice left. :lol


I'd be ok with Brian Shaw tbh. That's practically Phil Jackson's extension out there. I really don't like the idea of hiring the same recycled coaches out there, most are perennial losers without any impressive post season record. Clippers are a young team, lets roll with some fresh faces. But if we can get Doc without giving up any of our assets particularly Bled, then we're in business.

[Clipper Nation]

Granted, this is coming from that faggot Bill Simmons, but....

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[baseline bum]

Granted, this is coming from that faggot Bill Simmons, but....

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Is Simmons pulling that out his ass? Shit would be an amazing deal for the Clippers to jettison Butler for Terry and then get rid of nothing but crap for Garnett.

[TheRealCB]

I haven't seen more than two full games of the Clippers,but what's so bad about Jordan?? I mean yeah,he is a monkeyballer first,but he has some post game,is athletic as shit,and has good chemistry with the team..All he needs is coaching imo..

[baseline bum]

I haven't seen more than two full games of the Clippers,but what's so bad about Jordan?? I mean yeah,he is a monkeyballer first,but he has some post game,is athletic as shit,and has good chemistry with the team..All he needs is coaching imo..

He has no post game, no face-up game, can't shoot, he's one of the dumbest players in the league, and you can't have him on the floor at the end of games not only because of his severe mental handicaps, but also his 39% free throw shooting (which dropped to 22% this playoffs). On top of that he makes $11 million for next season and $11.4 million the season after.

[Clipper Nation]

He has no post game, no face-up game, can't shoot, he's one of the dumbest players in the league, and you can't have him on the floor at the end of games not only because of his severe mental handicaps, but also his 39% free throw shooting (which dropped to 22% this playoffs). On top of that he makes $11 million for next season and $11.4 million the season after.
Also, he's lazy as fuck, feels entitled to minutes, and pouts on the bench when he doesn't get them, tbh..... and in the playoffs, he gives Matt B:lolnner a run for his money as the biggest choke-artist role player in the league, tbh....

[TheRealCB]

He has no post game, no face-up game, can't shoot, he's one of the dumbest players in the league, and you can't have him on the floor at the end of games not only because of his severe mental handicaps, but also his 39% free throw shooting (which dropped to 22% this playoffs). On top of that he makes $11 million for next season and $11.4 million the season after.

Oh well,I've been wrong before :lol

[CGD]

Not sure why the Clips are insisting on Bledsoe so much. If this move happens cP3 stays. In the end, I'm guessing they do Jordan, 1st, Bledsoe/future 1st (but not both).

[Clipper Nation]

Not sure why the Clips are insisting on Bledsoe so much. If this move happens cP3 stays. In the end, I'm guessing they do Jordan, 1st, Bledsoe/future 1st (but not both).
It has nothing to do with CP3, tbh..... Doc claims he wants to coach Bledsoe, the Clippers' front office wants to see what they could get for him in a separate trade.... not to mention, DeAndre AND Bledsoe is too much to give up, tbh....

[Chinook]

It has nothing to do with CP3, tbh..... Doc claims he wants to coach Bledsoe, the Clippers' front office wants to see what they could get for him in a separate trade.... not to mention, DeAndre AND Bledsoe is too much to give up, tbh....

See, that's what I don't get. The Clippers are trying to trade for Garnett to upgrade from Jordan. So including Jordan as an asset the Celtics are getting makes no sense to me. Essentially, Boston is sending the better player to the Clippers, and they should be compensated for doing so. If Los Angeles truly feels that upgrading to KG will put them into true contender status, then they think he's significantly better than DJ. Therefore, it's not fair price for them to try to just pay a low first-round pick (which is nearly worthless to a rebuilding team). They should give up at least another draft pick, and a promising but limited young player is certainly not out of the realm of proper value.

[StrengthAndHonor]

He has no post game, no face-up game, can't shoot, he's one of the dumbest players in the league, and you can't have him on the floor at the end of games not only because of his severe mental handicaps, but also his 39% free throw shooting (which dropped to 22% this playoffs). On top of that he makes $11 million for next season and $11.4 million the season after.

True. If Vinny Del Negro is benching your ass, u know damn well you're a horrible player. GSW dodged the bullet.

[Clipper Nation]

See, that's what I don't get. The Clippers are trying to trade for Garnett to upgrade from Jordan. So including Jordan as an asset the Celtics are getting makes no sense to me. Essentially, Boston is sending the better player to the Clippers, and they should be compensated for doing so. If Los Angeles truly feels that upgrading to KG will put them into true contender status, then they think he's significantly better than DJ. Therefore, it's not fair price for them to try to just pay a low first-round pick (which is nearly worthless to a rebuilding team). They should give up at least another draft pick, and a promising but limited young player is certainly not out of the realm of proper value.
The thing with DJ is, he blows, but he's also somehow a trade asset who's reportedly coveted around the league, essentially for being a young big with "potential"....

Additionally, why should we give up Bledsoe when we don't have to? The Celtics have zero leverage here, while the Clippers can walk away, hire a good coach and still make power moves....

[StrengthAndHonor]

See, that's what I don't get. The Clippers are trying to trade for Garnett to upgrade from Jordan. So including Jordan as an asset the Celtics are getting makes no sense to me. Essentially, Boston is sending the better player to the Clippers, and they should be compensated for doing so. If Los Angeles truly feels that upgrading to KG will put them into true contender status, then they think he's significantly better than DJ. Therefore, it's not fair price for them to try to just pay a low first-round pick (which is nearly worthless to a rebuilding team). They should give up at least another draft pick, and a promising but limited young player is certainly not out of the realm of proper value.


The Clippers are supposedly including 1st draft pick(s). Trading a younger Jordan for an older player. Boston is rebuilding, and if Doc gets an exit card. Additionally, Pierce will be bought out. They have no use for Garnett.

[StrengthAndHonor]

The thing with DJ is, he blows, but he's also somehow a trade asset who's reportedly coveted around the league, essentially for being a young big with "potential"....

Additionally, why should we give up Bledsoe when we don't have to? The Celtics have zero leverage here, while the Clippers can walk away, hire a good coach and still make power moves....

TBH, Ainge has the leverage. They also don't need to trade Garnett and absorb DJ's awful contract (understood its 2 years, still a horrible one nonetheless). KG is still an absolute monster on the defensive end, he brings value beyond numbers to any team willing to trade for him. DJ practically doesn't bring anything of value other than the occasional highlight reel. Boston holds all the cards. Clippers are itching for a better coach (Doc) and better big man (KG). Additionally, Clippers can also upgrade from Butler to acquiring Pierce.


that said, the bottomline here is still top dollar. Diamond Don has been known to screw his franchise over and over again by skipping on a few million dollars. Still:
So if the Clippers wanted to trade for Garnett and Pierce, who make $28,356,610, in one big mega-trade before July 1, they would need to send out at least $22,605,288. Let's start with DeAndre Jordan, who makes $10,532,977, and Caron Butler, who makes $8,000,000. Those two add up to $18,532,977. The Clippers would still need another $4,072,311 under this scenario, which would not be met even if they included Eric Bledsoe and Willie Green, who combine to make less than that. They could make it work if they included Jamal Crawford, but sources say Crawford would not be included in the deal. That means the Clippers would go to the second option, which would be doing two separate trades. In this scenario, according to Coon, they get 150 percent or $5 million rather than just the 125 percent they get by acquiring them together. So they could trade Jordan and Bledsoe for Pierce and then Butler for Garnett. These two separate but parallel trades would work from a numbers standpoint.

If they wait until after July 1, they need to send out $22,133,656 if they wanted to trade for both together. Jordan and Butler add up to $18,986,550, so they'd need another $3,147,106. Bledsoe and Green would add up to enough. Separately they'd need to send out $7,433,735 for Garnett, and Butler is still enough there, and they'd need to send out $10,155,556 for Pierce, and Jordan is enough but the Clippers would likely be forced to add Bledsoe as well. Either way you cut it, the Clippers can certainly make a deal under the new CBA this summer that would bring Garnett and Pierce to Los Angeles for a package that would include Jordan, Butler, Bledsoe and possibly Green.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Fwiw, here's the rumored deal

Lee/Terry/KG for Butler/Bledsoe/Jordan/2 firsts. Doc comes here in LA and Pierce is also rumored to sign for a MMLE after he's bought out.

[Chinook]

The thing with DJ is, he blows, but he's also somehow a trade asset who's reportedly coveted around the league, essentially for being a young big with "potential"....

Additionally, why should we give up Bledsoe when we don't have to? The Celtics have zero leverage here, while the Clippers can walk away, hire a good coach and still make power moves....

Yeah. I guess Jordan is supposed to have value, since that's why he got the contract in the first place. But I think the Clippers are losing that leverage, since they are clearly signaling that they don't think he's as good as Garnett. Also, when you include the Celtics letting Rivers out of his deal, the Clippers really aren't paying anything in this trade.

The Celtics' can always let KG retire (and thus buy him out), let Rivers go or just trade him to the Clippers for a draft pick and move on. They don't have to take on a bad deal for nothing.


The Clippers are supposedly including 1st draft pick(s). Trading a younger Jordan for an older player. Boston is rebuilding, and if Doc gets an exit card. Additionally, Pierce will be bought out. They have no use for Garnett.

If they include multiple firsts, that's one thing. But for them to act like Jordan for Garnett is even remotely an even trade is ludicrous. If it were an even trade, the Clippers may as well keep Jordan. By wanting to make the trade, the Clippers are saying that they can't win with DJ. If that doesn't destroy his trade value, I don't know what would.

[jag]

Doc is a top 3 coach in the league

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[jag]

D:lolc Rivers

T:lolp three coach


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[jag]

:lol Doc Rivers
:lol ubuntu
:lol father figure
:lol glorified "motivator"
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:lol top three coach in the league

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[irishock]

:lol CN

:lol Doc top 3 coach
:lol LeBron> Dad Killer
:lol insecure Kings fan

[baseline bum]

The thing with DJ is, he blows, but he's also somehow a trade asset who's reportedly coveted around the league, essentially for being a young big with "potential"....


He is coveted by Ainge because Ainge is as retarded as Jordan is.

[baseline bum]

Fwiw, here's the rumored deal

Lee/Terry/KG for Butler/Bledsoe/Jordan/2 firsts. Doc comes here in LA and Pierce is also rumored to sign for a MMLE after he's bought out.

I hate Lee, and would not want him if there was any way to do the deal without his contract.