new 400 million dollar prison being built in PA while schools close

[InRareForm]

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/130615/philadelphia-closes-23-schools-builds-400-millio

[Wild Cobra]

Tell people to stop commuting crimes, so we don't need to put them away.

[InRareForm]

Tell people to stop commuting crimes, so we don't need to put them away.

That's just stupid. They are profiteeriNg off a nation that has too many laws.

[Wild Cobra]

That's just stupid. They are profiteeriNg off a nation that has too many laws.

For you to say that, what crimes do you think they are jailing people for in PA that they shouldn't? Most places reduce their jail populations ly letting low level criminals out when they have budget cuts. Seems to me that they wouldn't be building jail space if they weren't the more serious type criminal.

[DMX7]

Tell people to stop commuting crimes, so we don't need to put them away.

Oh please...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

For you to say that, what crimes do you think they are jailing people for in PA that they shouldn't? Most places reduce their jail populations ly letting low level criminals out when they have budget cuts. Seems to me that they wouldn't be building jail space if they weren't the more serious type criminal.
If PA is like any other state they're jailing people for marijuana crimes when they shouldn't.

[scroteface]

If PA is like any other state they're jailing people for marijuana crimes when they shouldn't.

need more slave laborers to pump up the prison's stock price tbh, what a bargain even mexicans won't work for 25 cents an hour to spend at commissary tbh

[Wild Cobra]

Oh please...
So you want people to be free to hurt others?

[Wild Cobra]

If PA is like any other state they're jailing people for marijuana crimes when they shouldn't.
Maybe. Can you back that accusation up?

I know there are still some harsh states when it comes to marijuana, but for the most part, the only ones who get jailed are those dealing so large, they commit such crimes with weapons in hand as well.

I think low level jailing of crimes for marijuana in the exception. Not the rule.

[boutons_deux]

"I think low level jailing of crimes for marijuana in the exception. Not the rule."

mandatory jail above certain amount of mj (as bullshit proof of intent to distribute) puts 100s of (black, brown) kids in jail, killing their job prospects and keeping them on the streets and in crime.

WC always will blame the individual over the system or the organization.

jailing kids for simple possession is a business for the PIC, quota fulfilling for the racist, sadistic cops, is NOT justice.

[sjacquemotte]

That's just stupid. They are profiteeriNg off a nation that has too many laws.
At first I didn't know what you meant because schools and prisons have nothing to do with each other. But that is a good point about too many laws. However, most people in prison are in for a form of violent. So IMO those laws shouldn't be changed. As far as drug laws, this isn't the 80's. first offenders who bought a bag of coke/meth/etc. arent going to prison anymore. So the drug offenders in prison had other circumstances.

What laws would you take out?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

At first I didn't know what you meant because schools and prisons have nothing to do with each other. But that is a good point about too many laws. However, most people in prison are in for a form of violent. So IMO those laws shouldn't be changed. As far as drug laws, this isn't the 80's. first offenders who bought a bag of coke/meth/etc. arent going to prison anymore. So the drug offenders in prison had other circumstances.

What laws would you take out?

That's simply not true. Only 7%-10% of America's incarcerated population are violent offenders.

[sjacquemotte]

need more slave laborers to pump up the prison's stock price tbh, what a bargain even mexicans won't work for 25 cents an hour to spend at commissary tbh
Avg cost of inmate per day: $833

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

[boutons_deux]

Avg cost of inmate per day: $833

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

Another angle is that the prisoners are paid a coupl $/day to do work for external companies. Since most are black, it's nothing but slavery.

[coyotes_geek]

Another angle is that the prisoners are paid a coupl $/day to do work for external companies. Since most are black, it's nothing but slavery.

Imagine that. It's like when you're incarcerated, you loose your freedom or something.

[TeyshaBlue]

Imagine that. It's like when you're incarcerated, you loose your freedom or something.
:lol

[spursncowboys]

That's simply not true. Only 7%-10% of America's incarcerated population are violent offenders.

I wrote that wrong. I meant form of violence as in using force to commit a crime. I was including robbery since normally a violent act is used to get to the desired objects, but then there is the idea of people leaving their doors open. Or an employee using their access and etc.

people aren't in prison for white collar crime, drugs, etc.

[boutons_deux]

people aren't in prison for ... drugs, etc.

Holy Shit! :lol

property crimes, including "breaking" and entering, are very different from crimes on persons. and the punishment should be very different.

here's another wonderful perversity of the US "justice" system:

Anonymous Participant Who Drew Attention To Steubenville Rape May Face More Years In Jail Than Rapists


If convicted of hacking-related crimes, Lostutter could face up to 10 years behind bars—far more than the one- and two-year sentences doled out to the Steubenville rapists. Defending himself could end up costing a fortune—he's soliciting donations here (https://www.wepay.com/donations/deric-lostutter--ky-anonymous-defense-fund). Still, he thinks getting involved was worth it. "I'd do it again," he says.

At first, he thought the FBI agent at the door was with FedEx. "As I open the door to greet the driver, approximately 12 FBI SWAT team agents jumped out of the truck, screaming for me to 'Get the fuck down!' with M-16 assault rifles and full riot gear, armed, safety off, pointed directly at my head," Lostutter wrote (http://www.projectknightsec.com/) today on his blog. "I was handcuffed and detained outside while they cleared my house."

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130608/11281223376/anonymous-participatn-who-brought-attention-to-steubenville-rape-case-now-facing-many-more-years-jail-than-rapists.shtml

[TeyshaBlue]

It's not a "justice" system. It's a legal system.

[boutons_deux]

TB :lol

"justice", for those of us who are literate, implies obviously a different meaning than justice.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol boutons completely missing the point...again.


I'll believe you're literate when you learn to construct a sentence correctly.:rolleyes

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Avg cost of inmate per day: $833

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States
Right, and the private prisons get paid by the government on a per diem basis and they're more profitable when their prisons are filled up, thus they lobby for prehistoric laws that have led to America having more incarcerated than China and Russia combined.

We've somehow managed to make what the warden in Shawshank Redemption did completely legal :lmao

[Bill_Brasky]

Tell people to stop commuting crimes, so we don't need to put them away.
Dumb

For you to say that, what crimes do you think they are jailing people for in PA that they shouldn't? Most places reduce their jail populations ly letting low level criminals out when they have budget cuts. Seems to me that they wouldn't be building jail space if they weren't the more serious type criminal.
Really dumb

[sjacquemotte]

Right, and the private prisons get paid by the government on a per diem basis and they're more profitable when their prisons are filled up, thus they lobby for prehistoric laws that have led to America having more incarcerated than China and Russia combined.

We've somehow managed to make what the warden in Shawshank Redemption did completely legal :lmao
Privatized prisons aren't lobbying for more laws to put people who otherwise wouldn't go to prison, in prison. If you have proof of that, I would love to see it.

It costs the State less to pay a privatized prison than to house them themselves. However there are guidelines that the privatized prison have to abide by. the Privatized Prisons usually go by an annual contract that doesn't involve head counting. Furthermore there are tons of types of criminals that privatized prisons will not take. For instance, Rapists, Molesters aren't going to get to stay at Wackenhut.

What exactly are you saying we are doing that the warden did in Shawshank?

[sjacquemotte]

Really dumb
How?

[coyotes_geek]

Privatized prisons aren't lobbying for more laws to put people who otherwise wouldn't go to prison, in prison. If you have proof of that, I would love to see it.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/11/politics/immigration-lobbying


Washington (CNN) -- Big tech firms and private prisons represent two industries vigorously lobbying to influence the scope of legislation aimed at overhauling U.S. immigration policy, a political priority in Washington.

Microsoft, Facebook, and Intel want lawmakers to support increasing the number of visas available to highly skilled workers, according to an analysis by the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks the influence of money in politics.

Others, like Corrections Corporation of America, which builds detention facilities to house illegal immigrants, have contributed heavily to the campaigns of lawmakers who take tough stances on the issue.


"The private prison industry is responsible for 16% of federal prisoners in the U.S. and makes a substantial portion of its profits from detention centers for illegal immigrants," the group said.

"Illegal immigration creates a pool of potential prisoners and there's some incentive to them wanting to have input on those policies," Gans said.

In one case last year, lobbyists representing CCA were paid $60,000 to monitor "issues pertaining to the construction and management of private prisons and detention facilities," according a federal lobbying disclosure report.

Corrections Corporation of America spent $970,000 last year to lobby Congress and the U.S. Marshals Service on a variety of issues.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-carlsen/immigration-reform-privation-prisons-lobby_b_2665199.html


This kind of common-sense immigration reform has the multibillion-dollar private prison industry shaking in its boots. Its lobbyists are actively targeting members of congressional budget and appropriations committees to not only maintain, but increase incarceration of migrants -- with or without comprehensive immigration reform.

While a broad public consensus has formed around the need to legally integrate migrants into the communities where they live and work, private prison companies Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) and The GEO Group, thrive off laws that criminalize migrants, including mandatory detention and the definition of immigration violations as felonies. They are using their money and clout to assure that even if immigration reform goes through, the practice of locking people up for immigration infractions will continue.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Lawmakers_benefit_from_private_prison_donations/20130519_11_A1_Bodyte389065


OKLAHOMA CITY - Private prison interests have given nearly $200,000 in campaign dollars and gifts to 79 of the 149 members of the state Legislature since 2004, a Tulsa World analysis shows.

From a meal valued at $3.87 for one lawmaker to $22,500 toward T.W. Shannon's Speaker's Ball, private prison and halfway house influence has become well entrenched at the state Capitol.

As the state's prison population has climbed, so has spending on private prisons, which was nearly $73 million last fiscal year, up from slightly more than $57 million in fiscal year 2004.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/private-prisons-the-more-americans-they-put-behind-bars-the-more-money-they-make/

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/20110904arizona-prison-business-politics.html

http://www.abqjournal.com/main/133187/abqnewsseeker/updated-ap-clarification-on-private-prison-immigrants-story-of-aug-2.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/02/immigrants-prove-big-business-for-prison-companies/

[boutons_deux]

Throwing Kids In Jail Makes Crime Worse, Ruins Lives (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/06/17/2166481/study-throwing-kids-in-jail-makes-crime-worse-ruins-lives/)


uchamp (http://thinkprogress.org/author/zbeauchamp/) on Jun 17, 2013 at 2:30 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/AP110207037927-300x200.jpg (http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/AP110207037927.jpg)(Credit: AP)

Mass incarceration of American youth is actually making the country’s crime problem worse, according to a new study (http://nber.org/papers/w19102) of Chicago youth incarceration.

The study, conducted by Anna Aizer of Brown University and Joseph Doyle, Jr. of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, examined roughly 35,000 former Chicago public school students who had now grown up. Aizer and Doyle picked Chicago because its random judge assignment system for juvenile cases allowed them to develop a way of studying truly random (and hence representative) samples of juvenile offenders by identifying judges more likely to hand down harsher sentences.

This method of identifying incarcerated youth allows them to compare groups of kids who committed crimes and went to jail with youth who committed similar offenses but didn’t do time. This helps eliminate the “if they went to jail, it’s because they were always criminals” explanation for why kids who go to jail might return as adults.

After developing this random sampling technique, and controlling for confounding factors like race and sex, Aizer and Doyle compared the imprisoned and non-imprisoned kids along two lines: high school graduation rates and adult incarceration. Unsurprisingly, going to jail as a kid has “strong negative effects” on a child’s chance to get an education: youth that went to prison were 39 percentage points less likely to finish high school than other kids who from the same neighborhood. Even young offenders who weren’t imprisoned were better off; they were thirteen points more likely to finish high school than their incarcerated peers.

More surprisingly, given that prison is supposed to deter crime, going to jail also made kids more likely to offend again. Young offenders who were incarcerated were a staggering 67 percent more likely to be in jail (again) by the age of 25 than similar young offenders who didn’t go to prison. Moreover, a similar pattern held true for serious crimes. Aizer and Doyle found that incarcerated youth were more likely to commit “homicide, violent crime, property crime and drug crimes” than those that didn’t serve time.

These findings are particularly troubling given that kids are often sent to the criminal justice system for relatively minor offenses. This phenomenon, dubbed the “school-to-prison pipeline (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/03/25/1764821/mississippi-school-district-agrees-stop-suspending-kids-for-dress-code-violations/),” involves the use of harsh, often criminal, punishment for bad school behavior and truancy, particularly in low-income and minority schools. Even the indiscriminate use of less significant punishments, like suspension, are associated (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/04/11/1852671/more-than-one-third-of-black-male-students-are-suspended-from-secondary-schools/) with higher rates of criminality among students.

Some jurisdictions are starting to pull back the pedal on youth incarceration. Georgia recently passed (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/03/1958531/georgia-to-lock-up-fewer-people-and-cut-costs-after-passing-sweeping-prison-reform/) a law that would dramatically reduce the number of kids sent to prison. An odd national coalition made up of progressives, racial justice advocates, anti-drug war campaigners, right-wing evangelicals, and libertarians are pushing (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/11/13/the-conservative-push-for-prison-reform/) prison reform laws around the country (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/novemberdecember_2012/features/the_conservative_war_on_prison041104.php?page=all) .

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/06/17/2166481/study-throwing-kids-in-jail-makes-crime-worse-ruins-lives/

[Wild Cobra]

Wow...

I suppose you liberals wish to let the thieves, rapists, and those who assault people be given the message... OK, Continue hurting others. We aren't going to feed and house you any longer...

[Trill Clinton]

prison system is a joke, modern day slavery. locking up minorities for petty crimes so they have free labor.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

prison system is a joke, modern day slavery. locking up minorities for petty crimes so they have free labor.
Yup. That's how it's no different than Shawshank redemption. Private prison owners have a bevy of slave labor that makes them capable of bidding cheaply on projects and then keeping the profits, just like the warden did, only he actually needed to do it secretly since it was illegal back then :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Wow...

I suppose you liberals wish to let the thieves, rapists, and those who assault people be given the message... OK, Continue hurting others. We aren't going to feed and house you any longer...
lol strawman arguments

lol only describing a small fraction of the prison population

[sjacquemotte]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/11/politics/immigration-lobbying





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-carlsen/immigration-reform-privation-prisons-lobby_b_2665199.html



http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Lawmakers_benefit_from_private_prison_donations/20130519_11_A1_Bodyte389065



http://investmentwatchblog.com/private-prisons-the-more-americans-they-put-behind-bars-the-more-money-they-make/

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/20110904arizona-prison-business-politics.html

http://www.abqjournal.com/main/133187/abqnewsseeker/updated-ap-clarification-on-private-prison-immigrants-story-of-aug-2.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/02/immigrants-prove-big-business-for-prison-companies/
illegally entering the country was already against the law. Also giving money to a candidate has nothing to do with new behavior becoming illegal in order to increase our prison population. Did you truly believe that those quotes proved the point or did you just google a few words and then copy and paste?

[sjacquemotte]

lol strawman arguments

lol only describing a small fraction of the prison population
:lol every single one of your posts have been strawmen

[mouse]

prison being built while schools close?

School is prison.

[coyotes_geek]

illegally entering the country was already against the law. Also giving money to a candidate has nothing to do with new behavior becoming illegal in order to increase our prison population. Did you truly believe that those quotes proved the point or did you just google a few words and then copy and paste?

The point is that private prisons are lobbying lawmakers to take actions that would increase the prison population. Entering the country illegally is against the law, but the punishment for that has traditionally been deportation. Prison corps are lobbying for prolonged incarceration before deportation which would be a significant new behavior from how that crime has been dealt with in the past.

[Capt Bringdown]

Privatized schools & Privatized prisons, what can go wrong? Let the market decide.

[sjacquemotte]

The point is that private prisons are lobbying lawmakers to take actions that would increase the prison population. Entering the country illegally is against the law, but the punishment for that has traditionally been deportation. Prison corps are lobbying for prolonged incarceration before deportation which would be a significant new behavior from how that crime has been dealt with in the past.
Good point. However, they could just want the contract for deportation holding buildings. To get Federal Prison systems to start privatize prisons. Get a tax break for opening up a prison in their district. Your links don't state anything about them lobbying for putting illegals in prison.

It still seems to me that you were manipulating the meaning that DOK and myself were talking about. The least, it's a blind leap

[sjacquemotte]

Privatized schools & Privatized prisons, what can go wrong? Let the market decide.
Welfare and Social Security...what can go wrong? All that matters is we're trying.