Crazy trade proposal with the Clippers on the verge of happening

[Spursfanfromafar]

I think the proposed Celtics-Clippers trade - Adrian Woj reports it will come down to Garnett plus Doc Rivers for DeAndre Jordan and 2 first round picks (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--kevin-garnett--doc-rivers-trade-may-come-down-to-clippers-surrendering-two-first-round-draft-picks-to-celtics-030159443.html;_ylt=AjuxCUa8jD4IGbcSvaZXXSS8vLYF;_ ylu=X3oDMTN1djhzMDJlBG1pdANGRUFUVVJFRCBNZWdhdHJvbi BOQkEEcGtnAzUwY2VmNmViLTQwNzctM2Q4Yy1hZmQyLThkY2Qz ZWIyZjI3NARwb3MDMgRzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyA2QyZWMwMG MzLWQ4MGUtMTFlMi1hZmI2LTAzMGNhMjczNWNhOA--;_ylg=X3oDMTFoNjVvZWVyBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANuYmEEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3) - is one of the craziest trade proposals in a long time.

The Clips get an aging veteran who will play with a team that will not be a substantial advance over the Boston team of the past 5 years. The Celtics will take a monkeyballer who can't hit a free throw and who is grossly overpaid to replace their defensive stalwart and for what? No opening up of salary cap space or addition of any future talent except for two mostly end-of-the-first-round picks.

Craziest trade in a while for me.

[Clipper Nation]

If it really ends up playing out as DJ + 2 picks for Doc + KG, the Clippers will have pulled off a Laker-esque rape trade, tbh :lol

Doc, KG, and (eventually) Pierce make the Clippers a lot better than they were last year, and there would STILL be assets left for another big trade, tbh....

I just hope this trade gets done soon....

[100%duncan]

What a steal for the Clippers.

[TDMVPDPOY]

rondo might as well ask for a trade then....makes no sense for him to stay back on a team of scrubs...pacers are in need of a PG, maybe to them...

[Michael Jordan.]

Celtics get raped in this trade. BUT an old KG and Pierce doesn't really make them that much better.

[TheRealCB]

rondo might as well ask for a trade then....makes no sense for him to stay back on a team of scrubs...pacers are in need of a PG, maybe to them...

Yeah that's exactly what the Pacers need,a non-shooting,assist-padding PG who doesn't feed the post :lol



If it really ends up playing out as DJ + 2 picks for Doc + KG, the Clippers will have pulled off a Laker-esque rape trade, tbh :lol

Doc, KG, and (eventually) Pierce make the Clippers a lot better than they were last year, and there would STILL be assets left for another big trade, tbh....

I just hope this trade gets done soon....

Son,is Pierce sure to get waived and off to the Clips? If then,that's a great trade..Otherwise,it doesn't put you over the top..Maybe gets you to the WCF,but that's your ceiling imo.

[TDMVPDPOY]

KG and pierce to the west on any of them top 10 western teams could be favorites to come out west...

[Clipper Nation]

Son,is Pierce sure to get waived and off to the Clips? If then,that's a great trade..Otherwise,it doesn't put you over the top..Maybe gets you to the WCF,but that's your ceiling imo.
From all the reports, it seems the Celtics will either waive him themselves or trade him to another team who will waive him, then he heads to LA to join Doc and KG....

[TDMVPDPOY]

how much can LAC offer PP? MLE?

[Kidd K]

Yeah, I actually don't think the trade is nearly as bad as the first reported trade was. Then one where they were talking about trading Griffin and shit for KG and Doc. I mean come on, Blake is a lot better than KG now + younger.

Then it was Bledsoe, Jordan, and maybe a pick. Which was dumb 'cause you don't wanna dump Bledsoe. . .

Now it's Jordan and a couple late 1st rounders for KG and Doc. That's actually really solid for the Clipps. Sucks to lose two first rounders and take back a lot of salary, but the talent they get for it is definitely good.

[Mal]

Clippers pick in 2015 could be lottery one. Rivers seems to be overrated, and KG is old. All depends on landing Paul, but probably this whole trade idea is widely consulted with him.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol what happens if PP doesnt sign with them and joins another team instead? okc, spurs?

[Rogue]

Monkeyball is overrated and far from being indispensable for his team but the Clippers can surely get more from him than a 37yr old KG + a top10 draft flop named Rivers, imho. They can even brew a deal with the Lakers to get DH

[Sportcamper]

Monkeyball is overrated and far from being indispensable for his team but the Clippers can surely get more from him than a 37yr old KG + a top10 draft flop named Rivers, imho. They can even brew a deal with the Lakers to get DH
Finally a voice of reason :tu
KG has been in the NBA since 1995 & is so banged up he can barely trot…Doc seems burned out & needs a couple seasons off…Plus 1s round draft picks?…Celtics should jump on this deal…

[TrainOfThought5]

Solid trade.... i can see the celts rebuilding a defensive powerhouse on the fly. Grab Iggy in FA. draft one of these young 2 guards in this deep draft. Maybe grab robinson, worst come to worst trade for granger. they can make some things happen.

[TheRealCB]

Finally a voice of reason :tu
KG has been in the NBA since 1995 & is so banged up he can barely trot…Doc seems burned out & needs a couple seasons off…Plus 1s round draft picks?…Celtics should jump on this deal…

Paul Pierce comes as a great package deal tbh

[Big Empty]

Good trade for Boston. DJ is a solid athletic Center who has room for improvement

[Clipper Nation]

:lol DJ was a "monkeyballer" when he was on the Clippers, now he's "solid, athletic, and improving" when he might be going to the Celtics.... funny how tunes change, tbh.....

What he really is, is overpaid garbage.... can't wait until he's not on the Clippers anymore tbh....

[AchillesHeel]

If Jordan wasn't such a horrible FT shooter he wouldn't be too bad of a player, but giving up KG for him? :lol

[Mugen]

:lol Can't believe the Clippers have still managed to keep Bledsoe in all of these trades. He might be the most overrated player in Clipper history which isn't saying much but the guy would be a bottom half starter in the league.

Still, just getting rid of a loser like Deandre makes this trade a home run for the Clippers. But even with this trade they're a 2nd round exit next year unless they can flip Bledsoe/Griffin for Bible Kemp tbh.

[Venti Quattro]

Garnett finally arrives in LA, 5 years later. :rollin

[Clipper Nation]

If Jordan wasn't such a horrible FT shooter he wouldn't be too bad of a player, but giving up KG for him? :lol
If DJ wasn't a horrible free throw shooter, he'd still have zero offensive game, be clueless on defense, and have one of the worst contracts in the league....

[AchillesHeel]

If DJ wasn't a horrible free throw shooter, he'd still have zero offensive game, be clueless on defense, and have one of the worst contracts in the league....

Of course the Clippers were dumb enough to give such a contract.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Monkeyball is overrated and far from being indispensable for his team but the Clippers can surely get more from him than a 37yr old KG + a top10 draft flop named Rivers, imho. They can even brew a deal with the Lakers to get DH

Do you even know that the Rivers in question is the father and not the son?

[Spursfanfromafar]

Clipper Nation, IMO on second thought is right. This looks like a great win for the effing Clippers. Unless, the C's are doing what Doctor J cautions about - selling a KG who is done a la Bynum. In which case the Clips get nothing for the monkeyballer.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Do you even know that the Rivers in question is the father and not the son?

Lol

[Clipper Nation]

Of course the Clippers were dumb enough to give such a contract.
Wasn't actually their fault..... he was a restricted free agent and the Warriors gave him that outrageous offer sheet.... the Clippers had to match because it was either him or a scrub like Kwame Brown, tbh....

[smaka]

Clippers still aren't getting out of west, so it's a non-factor tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

Brad Turner @BA_Turner (https://twitter.com/BA_Turner) The Clippers have called off the deal with the Celtics. Clippers executive said Celtics asking for too much, the Times told today.

[djohn2oo8]

Brad Turner (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner) @BA_Turner (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner) 1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner/statuses/347020640328503297)
Clippers refused to give in the Boston's request for 2 first round draft picks, sources.



Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2WaHei17V

[Venti Quattro]

:lmao Clippers

[Spursfanfromafar]

:lmao Clippers

[Clipper Nation]

Mark Heisler and Zach Lowe reporting that they're just posturing, tbh....

[djohn2oo8]

Brad Turner (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner) @BA_Turner (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner) about 5 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner/statuses/347021010471632896)
Clippers moving forward with Byron Scott meeting owner Donald Sterling today and Brian Shaw will meet Sterling Wednesday.

[Clipper Nation]

ZachLowe_NBA: Don't doubt anyone's reporting on Doc/KG, but do doubt the talks are really dead. Stalled, yes. Dead, no. Dead till they're alive again.

[thunderup]

:lmao Clippers


:lmao Clippers

[Venti Quattro]

Brad Turner (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner) @BA_Turner (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner) about 5 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner/statuses/347021010471632896)
Clippers moving forward with Byron Scott meeting owner Donald Sterling today and Brian Shaw will meet Sterling Wednesday.



:lmao Sterling
:lmao Clippers

[Bill_Brasky]

Not like either of these teams is making it out of the first round any time soon anyway.

[djohn2oo8]

Dan Woike (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports) @DanWoikeSports (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports) 1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports/statuses/347024289263935489)
Sources confirm: Talks between Boston and Clippers have failed to result in a deal. Clippers moving on.



http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/3567930238/9aa3905a6962c38b2c759b9ee2a9f004_normal.jpeg (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports)

Dan Woike (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports) @DanWoikeSports (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports) now (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports/statuses/347024453324111872)
Again: Clippers source reiterates team is definitely not trading Blake Griffin.



Mark Heisler (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler) @MarkHeisler (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler) 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler/statuses/347023987185971200)
If #Celtics (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Celtics)-Clips are over, here's why: Ainge played hardball over small issues. Donald won't be dictated too, pulled plug. #ThatsMyBigGuy (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23ThatsMyBigGuy)

[djohn2oo8]

Ramona Shelburne @ramonashelburne (https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne) Clips and Celtics spoke again this morning. It didnt go well.

[djohn2oo8]

Steve Bulpett (http://twitter.com/SteveBHoop) @SteveBHoop (http://twitter.com/SteveBHoop) 1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/SteveBHoop/statuses/347024911925145600)
Clippers won't give up 2 1st-rounders and Jordan for Doc, KG. Talks done. Celts wondering what Doc wants to do now.

[djohn2oo8]

Mark Heisler (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler) @MarkHeisler (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler) 1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler/statuses/347025887109206016)
Deal was #Celtics (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Celtics)' only alternative, gift for #Clippers (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Clippers). I'd be 100% it has to happen--if Donald Sterling wasn't involved.

[urunobili]

That'd mean the Lakers would be fudged again by the Clips

[Spursfanfromafar]

Clippers are the worst franchise in the NBA. No one is even close. Not even the Lolcats.

[djohn2oo8]

Mark Heisler (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler) @MarkHeisler (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler) 3 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler/statuses/347026454548205569)
Donald Sterling has screwed up worse but never w/these consequences… What will pro-Doc, FA-to-be CP3 think if Clips turn down #Celtic (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Celtic) gift?



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Dan Woike (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports) @DanWoikeSports (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports) 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports/statuses/347026668130533376)
#Clippers (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Clippers) felt good about alternatives to not doing deal: keeping DeAndre Jordan and hiring either Scott, Shaw or Hollins.




:rollin

[HarlemHeat37]

I like Bill Simmons and Ryan Russilo's arguments the other day, they were saying Doc Rivers is acting the same way Kobe acted in '07, where he wants to leave the team but doesn't want the Clippers to give up too much(Bledsoe)..

Boston giving up 2 picks is asinine, tbh..I understand they would save a little money by moving Rivers, but having Jordan on your team at 11-12 mil a year isn't a privilege:lol..he's a shitty player with overrated upside..

Doc Rivers is the most overrated person involved in the NBA that I've ever seen, tbh..average X's and O's guy and average system, nothing special, great motivator, yet the media actually believes he's a coach that can alter the fortunes of your team:lol..

Clippers should accept the deal for 1 pick, they don't even need 2, tbh, moving Jordan and his shitty contract is addition by subtraction, let alone getting KG and a pick, too..

[djohn2oo8]

Dan Woike (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports) @DanWoikeSports (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports) 1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports/statuses/347027481666134018)
This could still be posturing, but I was told for the first time during this process that talks are "really dead."



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Kevin Arnovitz (http://twitter.com/kevinarnovitz) @kevinarnovitz (http://twitter.com/kevinarnovitz) 1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/kevinarnovitz/statuses/347027551148990464)
If LAC is willing to gamble and wait until July 1, there's reason to believe same pieces from BOS could be available.

[djohn2oo8]

Brad Turner (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner) @BA_Turner (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner) 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/BA_Turner/statuses/347028243506937856)
Yes, folks, the deal is "dead, dead, dead." No Doc, KG to Clippers

[djohn2oo8]

Baxter Holmes (http://twitter.com/BaxterHolmes) @BaxterHolmes (http://twitter.com/BaxterHolmes) 1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/BaxterHolmes/statuses/347028960858759169)
Danny Ainge confirms to the @BostonGlobe (http://twitter.com/BostonGlobe) that the proposed Clippers-Celtics deal is, in fact, dead.

[djohn2oo8]

Ken Berger (http://twitter.com/KBergCBS) @KBergCBS (http://twitter.com/KBergCBS) 3 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/KBergCBS/statuses/347030178314219523)
The Clippers informed the Celtics today they are pulling out of the Rivers-Garnett trade talks. "It just got to be too much," source said.



A. Sherrod Blakely (http://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN) @SherrodbCSN (http://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN) now (http://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN/statuses/347030857254596608)
In what may go down as the most EPIC cheapskate move by the #Clippers (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Clippers), trade w/#Celtics (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Celtics) dead for now because they won't give a 2nd 1Rd pick.



:lol

[djohn2oo8]

Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) As Clippers-Celtics talks fall apart, several sources tell Y! that Clippers had "cold feet' on the financial payouts needed to close deal.

Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
Clippers refused to give additional 1st-round pick, but ultimately $35M extension for Rivers and $3M-plus Jordan trade kicker played part.
11:42 AM - 18 Jun 2013 (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/347031502514683904)

[djohn2oo8]

Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Danny Ainge has called Doc Rivers to tell him that talks are done, sources tell Y! Sports. Ainge told him he still wants him as coach.

:lmao

[Spursfanfromafar]

Chris Paul wants to sign as a FA in this lousy franchise, run by a numskull?

[Legacy]

Well... uh... I guess it's all simply... "dead" or what? Cheapskates. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

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[StrengthAndHonor]

That $35 million extension is the nail in the coffin. Sterling doesn't want to invest a lot of $ on coaches.

[UZER]

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All these stars demanding left and right is just ridiculous.

[Aztecfan03]

I like Bill Simmons and Ryan Russilo's arguments the other day, they were saying Doc Rivers is acting the same way Kobe acted in '07, where he wants to leave the team but doesn't want the Clippers to give up too much(Bledsoe)..

Boston giving up 2 picks is asinine, tbh..I understand they would save a little money by moving Rivers, but having Jordan on your team at 11-12 mil a year isn't a privilege:lol..he's a shitty player with overrated upside..

Doc Rivers is the most overrated person involved in the NBA that I've ever seen, tbh..average X's and O's guy and average system, nothing special, great motivator, yet the media actually believes he's a coach that can alter the fortunes of your team:lol..

Clippers should accept the deal for 1 pick, they don't even need 2, tbh, moving Jordan and his shitty contract is addition by subtraction, let alone getting KG and a pick, too..


Picks would be from Clippers to Celtics, not the other way around.

You have to be crazy if you thought Jordan was worth even close to that much.

[Spurs da champs]

Kevin Garnett has been finished, what a shitty trade idea by the Clippers.

[Clipper Nation]

That $35 million extension is the nail in the coffin. Sterling doesn't want to invest a lot of $ on coaches.
Apparently Doc's salary wasn't the issue, it was the extra first round pick and the trade kicker, tbh....

I'm perfectly fine with Shaw or even Hollins, plus the Clippers still have all their assets to make other trades.... that being said, the Celtics are still screwed if they don't get this trade done, as this is their only chance to get anything in return for Doc and KG, so I'm not quite buying that it's dead, tbh.... the CP3 trade was also killed once for the asking price supposedly being too high, but we all know what the end result of that was....

[Dex]

I didn't realize teams could trade a coach. Am I just being daft, or what?

[Baam]

The Clips made the right decision imo, Hollins is the best black HC they can get, might actually get in Demonkey and Blake's faces and make them improve.

[Clipper Nation]

I think Doc's better than Hollins, but after reading up on Hollins, I don't think he's that bad anymore, tbh.... he's a lot more versatile than I thought, since he had originally tried to coach the Grizzlies as a running team but then adjusted to his personnel and slowed his system down over the years, tbh.... his players also seem to respect him a lot, whereas Vinny was walked all over by his teams, tbh....

[StrengthAndHonor]

The coaching is not big of a deal, whether its Hollins or Doc. Clippers missed out on the opportunity to bring KG and the chance to dump DJ.

[lebomb]

I heard Houston was gonna trade Harden to the Lakers for Jerry Buss and Pau Gasol.

[Michael Jordan.]

Chris Paul is a fucking loser :lol. . He's actually ok with the deal falling through :lol

[Clipper Nation]

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So essentially, this boils down to Ainge being greedy and asking for too much then, like he always does.... if he's smart, he'll get back on the phone and take the Clippers' offer, since the Celtics stand to lose a LOT more than the Clippers do if this trade really doesn't go down, tbh....

[Michael Jordan.]

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So essentially, this boils down to Ainge being greedy and asking for too much then, like he always does.... if he's smart, he'll get back on the phone and take the Clippers' offer, since the Celtics stand to lose a LOT more than the Clippers do if this trade really doesn't go down, tbh....

:lol not giving up the other number one

[Chinook]

I guess after the Cavs fleeced the Clippers a couple of years ago, Los Angeles is determined to never take a bad deal again. But this is crazy at this point. Just make the deal if you want Garnett and Rivers. The Celtics are compromised more than enough.

[Clipper Nation]

Arash Markazi was talking about this on ESPN Radio.... he said the deal may still get done, and that the Clippers already had a 5 year, $35 million contract fully worked out with Doc.... the reason they're reluctant to throw in the extra pick is because they wouldn't have a first-rounder for the next four years..... they're also still confident that CP3 will re-sign....

[tesseractive]

Yeah, I actually don't think the trade is nearly as bad as the first reported trade was. Then one where they were talking about trading Griffin and shit for KG and Doc. I mean come on, Blake is a lot better than KG now + younger.

Then it was Bledsoe, Jordan, and maybe a pick. Which was dumb 'cause you don't wanna dump Bledsoe. . .

Now it's Jordan and a couple late 1st rounders for KG and Doc. That's actually really solid for the Clipps. Sucks to lose two first rounders and take back a lot of salary, but the talent they get for it is definitely good.
There's no telling what a good coach and some better veteran leadership could do for the Clips. If Pierce shows up for the ride too, it's a freaking home run. Worth the 2 picks and the salary, tbh.

And there's no way the Celtics are getting a lottery pick for KG, because it doesn't make sense to pay that much to rent the last couple of years in KGs career if you aren't going to be playing deep in the playoffs. Hoping you can turn Jordan around with better coaching and adding a couple of so-so picks isn't a terrible return, as long as it's true that Doc doesn't want to stick around for rebuilding and the C's don't want to pay him $7 million a year to coach a lottery team. I mean, the Celtics are going to get crushed over the next few years, but that's pretty much what rebuilding means.

[gnsf0946]

so much hype about 2 irrelevant franchises :lol

[tesseractive]

Chris Paul is a fucking loser :lol. . He's actually ok with the deal falling through :lol
Negotiating tactic. If Paul is going to leave if a deal doesn't get done, the Celtics have the Clippers bent over and they know it. So even if he will leave, they need to pretend he won't.

[Clipper Nation]

Negotiating tactic. If Paul is going to leave if a deal doesn't get done, the Celtics have the Clippers bent over and they know it. So even if he will leave, they need to pretend he won't.
Huh? That wasn't coming from Celtics sources - it's the Clippers saying he's okay with the deal falling through.... if anything, that helps the Clippers if talks get restarted, because Ainge can't say "do this deal my way or CP3 will leave"....

[tesseractive]

Huh? That wasn't coming from Celtics sources - it's the Clippers saying he's okay with the deal falling through.... if anything, that helps the Clippers if talks get restarted, because Ainge can't say "do this deal my way or CP3 will leave"....
Sorry if I wasn't clear -- that's exactly what I mean. Even if CP3 really will leave, it's an important negotiating tactic for the Clips to claim that he won't -- otherwise the Celtics can do just what you mentioned.

[Clipper Nation]

Sorry if I wasn't clear -- that's exactly what I mean. Even if CP3 really will leave, it's an important negotiating tactic for the Clips to claim that he won't -- otherwise the Celtics can do just what you mentioned.
Yeah, I think I misread your post, I get it now..... but at the same time, if this really was a matter of getting a deal done or losing CP3, I think they'd have relented on the extra pick and the deal would be done right now, tbh....

[tesseractive]

Yeah, I think I misread your post, I get it now..... but at the same time, if this really was a matter of getting a deal done or losing CP3, I think they'd have relented on the extra pick and the deal would be done right now, tbh....
You never know -- Sterling is a batshit crazy negotiator.

[Kidd K]

There's no telling what a good coach and some better veteran leadership could do for the Clips. If Pierce shows up for the ride too, it's a freaking home run. Worth the 2 picks and the salary, tbh.

And there's no way the Celtics are getting a lottery pick for KG, because it doesn't make sense to pay that much to rent the last couple of years in KGs career if you aren't going to be playing deep in the playoffs. Hoping you can turn Jordan around with better coaching and adding a couple of so-so picks isn't a terrible return, as long as it's true that Doc doesn't want to stick around for rebuilding and the C's don't want to pay him $7 million a year to coach a lottery team. I mean, the Celtics are going to get crushed over the next few years, but that's pretty much what rebuilding means.

I'm not sure how much more Pierce can contribute anymore, but even if they just get KG and Doc I think it'd do a lot of good assuming Chris Paul returns for the long term (which seems to be the real objective of the trade).

I don't think they'll be getting a lottery pick, just the Clippers' next couple first rounders which are probably going to both be in the mid 20s anyway. It doesn't seem like a huge loss. Best you can really hope to get with mid 20s picks are decent role players.

[tesseractive]

I don't think they'll be getting a lottery pick, just the Clippers' next couple first rounders which are probably going to both be in the mid 20s anyway.

No, I just mean there's not much point in holding out to try to trade KG somewhere else for a lottery pick instead. Even aside from the no-trade clause, they wouldn't get one.


It doesn't seem like a huge loss. Best you can really hope to get with mid 20s picks are decent role players.

Tony Parker says hi. :lol

But yeah, I take your point.

[Kidd K]

No, I just mean there's not much point in holding out to try to trade KG somewhere else for a lottery pick instead. Even aside from the no-trade clause, they wouldn't get one.



Tony Parker says hi. :lol

But yeah, I take your point.

You're comparing a Spurs' mid 20's pick that turned into gold to what the Clippers' would be taking there. Come on dude. "Apples to oranges" would be an understatement. lol

And yeah I don't see them getting a lottery pick from anyone. Any team who's been that bad last year isn't going to benefit from KG on their team anywhere near as much as they would from just keeping the pick.

[stxspurs]

celts better sign and run.....KG aint KG anymore...Doc..eh i wouldnt give up draft pics for Doc/KG

[Reck]

If it really ends up playing out as DJ + 2 picks for Doc + KG, the Clippers will have pulled off a Laker-esque rape trade, tbh :lol

Doc, KG, and (eventually) Pierce make the Clippers a lot better than they were last year, and there would STILL be assets left for another big trade, tbh....

I just hope this trade gets done soon....

Its going to be really short term though.

How many years does Garnett have? 2 Max.

And lest we forget that the West is more demanding than the East.

Pierce would be carried off a wheelchair nightly playing teams like the Spurs, Lakers, OKC, Warriors and so on every other night. :lol

[baseline bum]

Good trade for Boston. DJ is a solid athletic Center who has room for improvement

Yeah, lots of room to improve that 22% playoff free throw percentage.

[Chinook]

Arash Markazi was talking about this on ESPN Radio.... he said the deal may still get done, and that the Clippers already had a 5 year, $35 million contract fully worked out with Doc.... the reason they're reluctant to throw in the extra pick is because they wouldn't have a first-rounder for the next four years..... they're also still confident that CP3 will re-sign....

By rule, that's impossible. The longest stretch of pick-less years this trade could result it would be two (2013 and 2014). They probably mean that such a trade could result in the Clippers going four years total without a first-rounder (2011-2014). But those three previous picks resulted in Chris Paul and the cap room used to sign Caron Bulter and the draft rights to Eric Bledsoe (the latter two of whom are going to be used to get someone better hopefully). It's not like those picks were shunted off for cash or something. Using two more to get a defensive/spacing upgrade, their preferred coach and by extension an upgrade at small-forward seems to be a prudent move.

Teams in the middle of championship runs do not worry about late first-rounders. It's silly; the Clippers will be able to buy a pick for a million or so if they really want one. Hell, Dallas is pretty much selling theirs.

[whitemamba]

deal is dead apparently...

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/06/18/report-celtics-clippers-deal-dead/

[lefty]

Not Doc is mad, saying he is not sure if he wants to stay with the Celtics :lol

[whitemamba]

Not Doc is mad, saying he is not sure if he wants to stay with the Celtics :lol

didnt he already say he wasnt going to resign? or that he wanted to go or something of that nature>?

[Michael Jordan.]

Doc is meeting with Ainge on Wednesday

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Maybe Ainge is finally realizing his lack of leverage? We shall see....

[Sportcamper]

I heard Houston was gonna trade Harden to the Lakers for Jerry Buss and Pau Gasol.
:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Heisler just tweeted that the Celtics could agree to only take one pick.... if that's the case, fuck waiting for the draft, get it done today!

[The Gemini Method]

Very interesting seeing the Clips being this aggressive--wonder how KG would be with CP3 and BG...He'd give them that tenacity and toughness that they seemed to lack. Doc Rivers will (in the understatement of the year...) be a vast improvement over Del Negro. Would've liked to have seen B.Shaw get his shot in L.A., but I'm certain he'll be a HC somewhere this coming year.

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[StrengthAndHonor]

Trade will go down. Doc has burned bridges with Boston. Either he coach another team or go back to broadcasting.

[Michael Jordan.]

Chris Paul made the Clippers start the talks again. Its on twitter.

[Clipper Nation]

Assistant GM CP3 gettin' shit done, tbh :lol

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[StrengthAndHonor]

The Los Angeles Clippers are seeking approval from ownership to complete a deal for Doc Rivers and Kevin Garnett.
The hope is that Donald Sterling will approve the financial commitment and finalize the agreement on Thursday.
The Clippers will send DeAndre Jordan and two first round picks to the Celtics, according to sources.
Rivers is accepting the job assuming Chris Paul will re-sign with the Clippers.
"Doc is taking the job to coach Chris Paul," a league source told Yahoo! Sports on Wednesday. "This isn't happening if Chris planned to leave."
Paul communicated to the Clippers that hiring Rivers and trading for Garnett was essential to him re-signing in July. Paul's pushing for the deal forced the Clippers to reengage with the Celtics on Wednesday.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I wont be surprised if Sterling hires Brian Shaw and shot this deal down, Ive been a far for so long that type of move won't baffle me :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Marc Stein (http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) @ESPNSteinLine (http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) about 10 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/statuses/347753616699969536)
Source tells ESPN that Celts & Clips have today begun discussing new trade scenarios to try to satisfy league's misgivings on these deals



Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2Wm9ZM5qK

[djohn2oo8]

Mark Heisler (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler) @MarkHeisler (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler) about 9 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler/statuses/347753985261830144)
#Celtics (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Celtics), #Clippers (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Clippers) in lockdown--but NBA has problem w/twin transactions. Team official: 'NBA guys say they don't see how this can happen'



Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2Wm9ddaTk

[StrengthAndHonor]

ESPNSteinLine
Sources tell ESPN it's been communicated to Celts & Clips that league has questions about proposed deals and appearance they are connected

ESPNSteinLine
NBA rules prohibit any trade/signing being made w/contingencies or side deals. Can Celts & Clips prove Doc & KG deals are "separate" moves?

[djohn2oo8]

Brian Schmitz (http://twitter.com/MagicInsider) @MagicInsider (http://twitter.com/MagicInsider) about 6 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/MagicInsider/statuses/347756295090237443)
NBA looking at Celtics-Clippers deal, warning no side deals are permitted. Please. Isn't every trade a side deal so to speak?





Baxter Holmes (http://twitter.com/BaxterHolmes) @BaxterHolmes (http://twitter.com/BaxterHolmes)about 6 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/BaxterHolmes/statuses/347756286374445056)
Hearing plenty about snags in the deal. As I wrote long ago, there were initial concerns it'd be too complex to pull off.




Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2WmB0HJk9

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2WmAtJ4M9

[StrengthAndHonor]

ESPNSteinLine
Last tweet means that Celts/Clips deals -- IF agreed -- won't necessarily take form of DeAndre Jordan & two firsts going to Boston

[Michael Jordan.]

Stern was just on the radio and basically said the trade cant be broken into two seperate ones. The rules wont allow it :lol

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So essentially, Stern's blocking a deal for no apparent reason..... at least with the CP3 veto, as the de facto owner, he decided he could get a better deal elsewhere, which happens all the time in the NBA.... this is just a shitstorm of epic proportions, tbh....

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Translation: instead of focusing on how they're going to fix their $120 million shitpile of a team, the Lakers have spent their time calling up Stern so he can stop the Clippers from getting better and ruin the Celtics' chances at Wiggins....

:lol Jimbo Buss
:lol Mitch Kupcake
:lol Pringles
:lol Lakers

[irishock]

Imo the NBA vetoes this trade, Celtics send Paul Pierce to Dallas and then KG is traded to the Lakers for Pau Gasol.

[Banzai]

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Translation: instead of focusing on how they're going to fix their $120 million shitpile of a team, the Lakers have spent their time calling up Stern so he can stop the Clippers from getting better and ruin the Celtics' chances at Wiggins....

:lol Jimbo Buss
:lol Mitch Kupcake
:lol Pringles
:lol Lakers

Not sure what you find so funny..Stern fucked the Lakers over on the CP3 trade. LOL CLIPPERS

[thunderup]

:lmao Clippers

[Clipper Nation]

Not sure what you find so funny..Stern fucked the Lakers over on the CP3 trade. LOL CLIPPERS

No he didn't, those are two very different situations..... it's one thing for an owner (and Stern was the de facto owner of the Hornets at the time) to veto a trade involving their own team because they want to do a different trade - it's a whole other thing for Stern to block a trade while acting as commissioner despite not having a leg to stand on or any proof of rule-breaking, tbh....

[Clipper Nation]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/06/20/nba-raises-concerns-about-clippers-celtics-trade/2442231/

The deal could still get done, but one of two adjustments may need to be made: the Celtics may need to offer more in the deal than just Garnett, with draft picks the most logical possibility; the Clippers, who have been attempting to give up just one first-round draft pick, may be allowed to give up less in the trade. The real trade value of the 37-year-old is at the center of this discussion, as the idea that Boston could net two first-round draft picks and a respectable replacement in Jordan who is 13 years younger clearly doesn’t calculate for league officials.

So Stern's "solution" is that either the Clippers take Boston's draft picks or they give up less in the trade? Isn't that completely fucking over the Celtics? :lol

[Clipper Nation]

From Larry Coon's Twitter:


As has been repeated to me many times, the CBA isn't a document listing things teams can't do, it one listing things teams CAN do. There's nothing in there about trading players for coaches, or anything else of that nature. There have been coach-related conveyances related to draft picks, but draft picks have always been half-in and half-out of the purview of the CBA anways (eg: the Stepien rule isn't in the CBA). What IS in the CBA is that there can't be any side agreements to a deal, and the Rivers accommodation would be such a side deal. So it'd have to be more than just two separate, parallel trades. They would have to be separated in time as well.

So basically, Stern's argument that coaches can't be traded is wrong, and his argument that splitting the trade up doesn't make it legal under any circumstances is also wrong.... way to know the rules of your own league, Stern!

[djohn2oo8]

Ramona Shelburne rAmonashelburne (https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne)
Clippers new strategy is to land Doc first, roll dice on KG/PP later, sources tell ESPN. Story with @ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) coming shortly

[StrengthAndHonor]

So hilarious. So basically, after giving us CP3, Stern is going to be the reason why CP3 bolts :lol

Basketball Reasons :lol

[StrengthAndHonor]

Hate to say it though, with these moves, we are looking a lot like the Fakers :lol bringing over the hill players for our youngins.

I just hope the restructured deal doesn't involve Bledsoe. I'll take an extra salary if I have to as long as we get KG, DOC and keep Bled at the end of the day. That's the bottom line.

[whitemamba]

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/06/20/report-nba-wont-allow-celtics-clippers-deal/?ls=iref:nbahpts

.... whats happening ?

[djohn2oo8]

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:lol what a dumbass

[djohn2oo8]

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My guess is they're waiting for Doc to step down as the Celtics' coach before agreeing on compensation, that way Stern can't say they're still "trading for a coach".....

[djohn2oo8]

The Los Angeles Clippers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/lac) are continuing to withhold any offers of compensation to secure the rights to Boston Celtics (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/bos) coach Doc Rivers and are threatening to blow up the blockbuster deal that they've negotiated with the coach, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.After Clippers management privately insisted to people that they were awaiting approval of owner Donald Sterling on draft-pick compensation for Rivers, no offer has been made to the Celtics and there's growing concern in multiple corners of the these talks that the Clippers' front office has no authority to meet Boston's request of a first-round pick to bring Rivers to Los Angeles as coach, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Celtics and Clippers have been in contact with the league office on the proposed Kevin Garnett (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3007) and Rivers transactions and NBA commissioner David Stern has made it clear that the Garnett-DeAndre Jordan part of the trade talks cannot be completed simultaneously with the securing of Rivers' rights through draft picks.

As free-agent star Chris Paul pressures the Clippers to get deals done for Rivers and eventually Garnett, the Clippers' unwillingness to make a formal offer to Boston for compensation on Rivers has left many in the process confused, sources said.

Boston will not relinquish the rights to Rivers without compensation – likely a first-round pick – and let him free of the final three years, $21 million on his contract, sources said.
Boston has insisted on Jordan and a first-round pick for Garnett, and would allow Rivers out of his contract to join the Clippers in a separate deal for a first-rounder, sources said.
The Clippers negotiated a five-year, $35 million deal with Rivers that could be worth as much as $8 million annually with bonus incentives, sources said. Rivers has arrangements to bring some Celtics support staff – including assistants coaches Tyron Lue and Kevin Eastman, and possibly others – with him to Los Angeles, sources said.
The Clippers haven't pushed Paul for a firm commitment to re-sign based on the completion of the deal, but Rivers would accept the job with a belief that the All-Star point guard has decided to stay and play for him, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

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Like I said, this is most likely a smokescreen to get around Stern's objections, tbh....

[djohn2oo8]

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[Clipper Nation]

Apparently the Celtics had a press conference with Ainge and Doc scheduled for noon ET today, then postponed it to Monday shortly afterwards in order to negotiate compensation with the Clippers.... this has become a complete mess, thanks, Stern!

[djohn2oo8]

Mark Heisler @MarkHeisler (https://twitter.com/MarkHeisler)
Either someone didn't explain it to right or ignored reply. Team officials say NBA lawyers told #Celtics (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Celtics&src=hash), #Clippers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Clippers&src=hash) days ago it wouldn't fly

[TDMVPDPOY]

spurs should pounce for 1 run only, get PP + KG for splitter and bench scrubs+picks

goal is to win 1 more ring till duncans contract expire 2more seasons....i think its worth the gamble

[djohn2oo8]

spurs should pounce for 1 run only, get PP + KG for splitter and bench scrubs+picks

goal is to win 1 more ring till duncans contract expire 2more seasons....i think its worth the gamble
CROFL anybody wanting Splitter.

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[Clipper Nation]

Hopefully the Doc part can at least get done today, that's the most important part imho....

And considering how much of a douchebag Ainge is during trade negotiations, it's about damn time someone gives him a taste of his own medicine, tbh....

[djohn2oo8]

:lol Clippers

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[djohn2oo8]

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[Clipper Nation]

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Ainge is CLEARLY leaking all this shit about the Clippers being cheap to Woj in order to gain leverage, tbh..... at this point, I'd rather the Clippers just tell Ainge to go fuck himself and hire Shaw instead, this is getting outrageous....

[baseline bum]

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Ainge is CLEARLY leaking all this shit about the Clippers being cheap to Woj in order to gain leverage, tbh..... at this point, I'd rather the Clippers just tell Ainge to go fuck himself and hire Shaw instead, this is getting outrageous....

Is Shaw going to deliver them Garnett and Pierce though? I have my doubts.

[ElNono]

So, what's the story with this shit? Anybody has any cliff notes? I tuned almost everything else out with the Finals going...

[baseline bum]

So, what's the story with this shit? Anybody has any cliff notes? I tuned almost everything else out with the Finals going...

The Cliffs Notes are

LOL Clippers

[djohn2oo8]

Game over scrahs

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Ainge is probably asking for the moon at this point, hence the leaks and the threats to back out, but at this point, I'd just either give him what he wants and end this drama or hire Shaw.....

[djohn2oo8]

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[BatManu20]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)4m (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/348181572291268608)
After talks failed again on Friday, Doc Rivers will no longer pursue the Clippers coaching job, league source tells Y!


Donald Sterling is a dumbass. Period.

[DeadlyDynasty]

lol Sterling

[djohn2oo8]

I don't think this was just about the pick. There was just no other way to prove to the league that it wasn't a seperate deal.

[Clipper Nation]

I don't think this was just about the pick. There was just no other way to prove to the league that it wasn't a seperate deal.
I agree.... I don't think this mess is either team's fault actually, it's Stern's fault for vetoing the original deal based on an assumption..... anyway, I hope that's the end of this stupid-ass drama, tbh.....

[Clipper Nation]

Also, even despite Doc supposedly pulling out of this drama, Heisler's claiming that the deal is not dead, it's just that talks have broken off for the weekend, tbh.... frankly, I'm sick of all these sources reporting contradictory things....

[djohn2oo8]

Yeah. Clippers should just hire Shaw, but I guess Paul REALLY wants Doc.

[Clipper Nation]

Wow, this trade drama really isn't going to end after all...

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[djohn2oo8]

After talks failed again on Friday, (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/doc-rivers-won-t-join-clippers-as-coach-211251874.html) the Boston Celtics' Doc Rivers will no longer pursue the Los Angeles Clippers' coaching job, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Rivers will make a choice between returning to the Celtics for his 10th season as coach or leaving for television, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

"The deal is completely dead," a source directly involved in the talks said Friday.

The ramifications for the Clippers could be significant, because free agent All-Star guard Chris Paul had badly wanted Rivers as his coach and had pushed management to complete a deal with Boston, sources said.

The Clippers raised the idea of a future second-round draft pick with Boston on Friday, sources said, but Celtics general manager Danny Ainge had been clear throughout the discussions that it would take a first-round pick to free Rivers of the three years left on his Celtics deal.

[djohn2oo8]

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[Clipper Nation]

Can't the media just shut up until the deal is either made or permanently dead? It's getting really annoying reading a completely different story every five minutes from every single source on this, and I imagine Celticfan feels the same way, tbh....

Regardless, on the off chance that THIS one's right, it suggests that the whole "Doc backing out, Celtics walking away" thing is basically an act to get Stern to drop the "contingency" objection and okay the deal, tbh....

[djohn2oo8]

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[Clipper Nation]

Boston (through Woj) saying it's dead, LA saying it's still on.... I'm officially done, just tell me when it's over....

[djohn2oo8]

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[Leon Black]

:lol Clippers
It's ok though, that faggot clippernation says CP3 is still staying, his boy Steve Kyler says so :lol

[irishock]

No one embed tweets from Markazi

[Clipper Nation]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers-coach-20130622,0,5376195.story

The Clippers (http://www.latimes.com/topic/sports/basketball/los-angeles-clippers-ORSPT000103.topic) will make another effort Monday to try to complete a deal with the Boston Celtics (http://www.latimes.com/topic/sports/basketball/boston-celtics-ORSPT000094.topic) for Coach Doc Rivers (http://www.latimes.com/topic/sports/basketball/doc-rivers-PESPT000009504.topic), said NBA (http://www.latimes.com/topic/sports/basketball/national-basketball-association-15008001.topic) executives who were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.


The Clippers and Celtics talked again Friday but couldn't make a deal.


"I think there is still some life left in it," one executive said. "The door is not closed yet on getting a deal done."

[...]

One executive who is not a part of the Clippers-Celtics deal laughed about the on-and-off negotiations. "The Clippers are going to wait this out," the executive said.

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[elmanutres]

its always sad to see guys like pierce possibly not finishing his career in boston. you always want franchise players to go out with the team they started with like robinson, bird, magic etc. but thats business

[NBA Playoffs]

Mark Heisler (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler) @MarkHeisler (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler) 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler/statuses/348473305394720769)
Source w/knowledge of talks tells SportsCity report Doc pulled out is #Celtic (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Celtic) ploy to get Clippers to offer No. 1--so this isn't dead yet.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i thought PP had a no trade clause in his contract?

[Clipper Nation]

Mark Heisler (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler) @MarkHeisler (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler) 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/MarkHeisler/statuses/348473305394720769)
Source w/knowledge of talks tells SportsCity report Doc pulled out is #Celtic (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Celtic) ploy to get Clippers to offer No. 1--so this isn't dead yet.



At this point the Clippers should just give them whatever pick they want so this can be over, this is getitng stupider by the minute....

[Clipper Nation]

Before he opens his checkbook as the ultimate proof of his new commitment, Sterling is in a holding pattern, as are the Celtics, as the complicated Rivers deal still has to be hashed out to the NBA’s satisfaction. When the details of the trade leaked out that had Rivers going to the Clippers for draft picks, in concert with Jordan’s move for Kevin Garnett, the league killed it, citing collective bargaining agreement rules that prohibit coaches from being part of player transactions.


But this deal looks like it will get done, even as reports surfaced heading into the weekend that Rivers will be going back to Boston. Until the Clippers name a coach, Rivers is still in play.


Rivers can’t return to coach the Celtics. He was actively looking to leave, even with three years left on his deal, at $21 million. He would have some power over personnel decisions with the Clippers, pocket $35 million over five years and get to coach Paul and a team that might not be too far from being a contender in the West.


Boston wants to start the rebuilding process and covets the draft picks that it would get for Rivers, so much so that the Celtics allowed him to go after some vacant jobs, knowing he wants no part of having to coach a team starting over. He didn’t even want to talk to the Nets, sources said, but the Clippers appealed to him from the start.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-paul-star-power-clippers-owner-itch-win-article-1.1379918#ixzz2WyYwaAOc

[LnGrrrR]

What a clusterfuck.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Like I said before, even if Doc is available, the only reason why the Clips may not go for him is due to his price tag. Sterling doesn't care much about the Clippers unlike Arison, Jerry Buss, Cuban, Alexander. The franchise has seen improvements over the last 2 years, but at the end of the day, Sterling has other business priorities, and he's a penny pincher. This was the dude at one point decided to keep only 8 players in his roster and didn't pay for assistanr Huges medical bill. Maggette, kaman and I think jaric all paid for Kim Hughes medical bills :lol


My favorite though

"In his first season as the team's owner, Sterling asked head coach Paul Silas if he thought they really needed a trainer.
What initially sounds as if it could be nothing but a joke, Sterling took it to the next level by asking Silas if he could tape players up himself before games"

:lol

He's all about the bottom line dollars.



Anyway, Scott is not really a step up than Vinny. He's better, but only marginally. BScott got to the finals twice when the east was the weakest it's ever been and he was carried by his coaching staff tbh, particularly Lawrence Frank who was an excellent assistant tbh. I think Sterling really wants Brian Shaw, but behind closed doors, CP3 is against the hiring and wants a more established coach, perhaps Hollins or Scott if Doc is not available.

[TDMVPDPOY]

cp3 hasnt sign a max deal with teh clippers yet right his current contract whatever it is?

dude should leave, sterling is a clown