Manu will not retire in a Spurs uniform if Spurs lose. Shame on you fans

[Gino-Step]

Such disrespect for a guy that gave his entire career to this franchise. Stop talking about this "14m for this guy?" Crap. You don't remember in the summer of 2010, this dude was going to get contracts for 4 years 65m but because he was signing an extension he was capped at 3 years 39m. Previous to that, he was on a 50% salary discount his entire career.

Now you guys are trashing a dude who delivered the last epic Home game performance in Game 5. And keep this up, and he'll regret all the sacrifices he made and go to NYK to play with his boy Pablo Prigioni. He doesn't want his career to end like this while he will feel you fans don't want him back. Whether that's deserved or not, another team will pay him midlevel for a year.

Get off of Manu. You guys make me sick. Stop making fun of other teams bandwagon fans while you're doing you're sorry quitting.

Spurs winning this in Game 7 and win or lose Manu, Tony, Duncan deserve our utmost respect for giving themselves to a city and organization that they never even heard existed growing up.

[ducks]

manu is done

even at the vet min he can not handle a trap he would be overpaid

[superbigtime]

man I love Manu more than most folks in this board. his season has been mediocre and the post season has been a struggle. I thought game 4 was the worst game he ever played, then 5 days later he tops that off with the worst abortion of a game imagineable. He has my respect and gratitude. But Lord Almighty he was dreadful and Pop is a fool for having kept him in and overplaying him.

[Humberto]

Manu will come up big in game 7, but he looked drunk coming off screens with some of those passes. I understand athleticism and skill set fading away, but decision making and court vision declining is sad to see from Manu.

[scramby eggs]

Manu will come up big in game 7, but he looked drunk coming off screens with some of those passes. I understand athleticism and skill set fading away, but decision making and court vision declining is sad to see from Manu.

Hit the nail on the head

[Poolboy5623]

Manu was awful last night...why defend him, in a "what have you done lately," league?? When the dust settles, he'll go down as one of the best spurs ever..but that doesn't excuse his piss poor play last night.

[BatManu20]

I love Manu which is why it's so tough to watch him play like a scrub in the NBA Finals and essentially cost Timmy and co another ring all by himself. That's terrible.

[Pocket Hippo]

If he plays another bad game we need to put him on suicide watch, it could get ugly.
/wrists

[MannyIsGod]

nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope. Enough with the shame on the fans posts. Not even trying to hear any of that bullshit right now. Not after last night. NOPE.

[hommeaetage]

Manu was awful last night...why defend him, in a "what have you done lately," league?? When the dust settles, he'll go down as one of the best spurs ever..but that doesn't excuse his piss poor play last night.

And this is what these Manu fan-boys are refusing to see. What has Manu done for his team lately other than costing them games?

[Jumi]

Manu will come up big in game 7, but he looked drunk coming off screens with some of those passes. I understand athleticism and skill set fading away, but decision making and court vision declining is sad to see from Manu.

This :bang

He could pull a "2011, Jason Kidd" and do the little things to help a team win the game. EIGHT turnovers is just plain fucking unacceptable! He's old enough to understand when he's having a bad game and use his BBIQ to influence other areas. The kind of game he plays wasn't going to age well, but goddamn, son, use your brain! He's too old for that shit!!

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

When the Spurs retire his number we can all look back and block out the games like this and remember all the circus shots and no looks that he made in 2005. But right now? With the ink barely dry on the box score from last night and game seven looming in large part because of his abysmal stat line? He deserves all the shit he's getting.

Here's the thing, Manu's a big boy. I believe what he and his teammates have said in the past week about how he's his own harshest critic. That's one of those traits that you often find in people so highly accomplished in any field from sports to business to the arts. Outside of psychos wishing AIDS, cancer, death, and a trade to the Lakers upon him I don't think there's any reasonable criticism being heaped upon him in the aftermath of Game 6 that he isn't thinking himself. Is he really going to hold it against a fan base for being angry at that performance?

[SenorSpur]

It's one thing for a player to have an off night, while being a non-factor. It's quite another when a player is playing so awful that he's costing his team valuable possessions, while energizing the opposition. Because of Manu's continuous turnovers (forced and unforced), the Spurs were essentially playing 4-on-6. In short, Manu was helping the Heat with his poor decisions and poor play.

If anyone has been watching Manu in these playoffs and if you're honest with yourself, it's obvious that Manu, a once great player, is now a declining player. Manu has probably had 2 good games this entire playoff run. Otherwise, he's been a shell of the Manu we all once knew and loved. His Game 5 performance has now become the aberration.

No player is above constructive criticism - not him nor Pop, who should be blamed for forcing additional minutes onto Manu, when it was clear he was struggling mightily. Manu's place as a "Spur for life" is secure. His jersey will one day hang from the rafters of the AT&T Center and he will ultimately be elected into the Basketball HOF. Still, that doesn't excuse his awful performance last night or his rash of bone-headed decisions, which really hurt the Spurs cause in their quest to secure their 5th NBA Championship.

All that said, if, as I said earlier, this version of Manu is truly the norm, not the exception, Manu should strongly consider retirement after this season. Obviously, it will be his and the Spurs decision.

[davidbowie]

he's going to be the hero tomorrow and we will all go back to wanting him to impregnate our daughters

[ElNono]

It's one thing for a player to have an off night, while being a non-factor. It's quite another when a player is playing so awful that he's costing his team valuable possessions, while energizing the opposition. Because of Manu's continuous turnovers (forced and unforced), the Spurs were essentially playing 4-on-6. In short, Manu was helping the Heat with his poor decisions and poor play.

If anyone has been watching Manu in these playoffs and if you're honest with yourself, it's obvious that Manu, a once great player, is now a declining player. Manu has probably had 2 good games this entire playoff run. Otherwise, he's been a shell of the Manu we all once knew and loved. His Game 5 performance has now become the aberration.

No player is above constructive criticism - not him nor Pop, who should be blamed for forcing additional minutes onto Manu, when it was clear he was struggling mightily. Manu's place as a "Spur for life" is secure. His jersey will one day hang from the rafters of the AT&T Center and he will ultimately be elected into the Basketball HOF. Still, that doesn't excuse his awful performance last night or his rash of bone-headed decisions, which really hurt the Spurs cause in their quest to secure their 5th NBA Championship.

Well said. He was awful last night. Just awful. It won't really change what he meant to this franchise, but he was absolutely awful.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

manu is done

even at the vet min he can not handle a trap he would be overpaid

This coming from the biggest TP homer of the forum. Nice. Your homie went 6-23, hit 2 clutch shots and it was pretty sub-par the rest of the game. And on top of that missed open teammates and went hero-ball to finish the game. This, of course, doesn't delete the horrible Manu performance of last night, but nonetheless, it's always nice to add some perspective to TP homers.

[DPG21920]

Well said. He was awful last night. Just awful. It won't really change what he meant to this franchise, but he was absolutely awful.

Disagree. He won't be hated nor should he be. But he won't be the beloved figure he once was if they lose. It severely tarnishes him in fans eyes IMO.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

It's one thing for a player to have an off night, while being a non-factor. It's quite another when a player is playing so awful that he's costing his team valuable possessions, while energizing the opposition. Because of Manu's continuous turnovers (forced and unforced), the Spurs were essentially playing 4-on-6. In short, Manu was helping the Heat with his poor decisions and poor play.

If anyone has been watching Manu in these playoffs and if you're honest with yourself, it's obvious that Manu, a once great player, is now a declining player. Manu has probably had 2 good games this entire playoff run. Otherwise, he's been a shell of the Manu we all once knew and loved. His Game 5 performance has now become the aberration.

No player is above constructive criticism - not him nor Pop, who should be blamed for forcing additional minutes onto Manu, when it was clear he was struggling mightily. Manu's place as a "Spur for life" is secure. His jersey will one day hang from the rafters of the AT&T Center and he will ultimately be elected into the Basketball HOF. Still, that doesn't excuse his awful performance last night or his rash of bone-headed decisions, which really hurt the Spurs cause in their quest to secure their 5th NBA Championship.

All that said, if, as I said earlier, this version of Manu is truly the norm, not the exception, Manu should strongly consider retirement after this season. Obviously, it will be his and the Spurs decision.

This is good stuff. I also believe Pop will play Manu many minutes in game 7. They will probably make adjustments to have him play like in Game 5 - watch it happen.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Disagree. He won't be hated nor should he be. But he won't be the beloved figure he once was if they lose. It severely tarnishes him in fans eyes IMO.

well, maybe in your eyes - and that's ok.

[TheGreatYacht]

Enough of these Manu worshipping threads. Manu deserves all the criticism and hate that he's getting because he is about to cost Timmy a championship. Manu deserves to retire or play for the veteran's minimum next season. I don't think any team would be willing to take him for anything more than the vet's min TBH.

[Budkin]

You don't have to hate Manu to point out that he was god awful last night.

[chrhawk]

It's one thing for a player to have an off night, while being a non-factor. It's quite another when a player is playing so awful that he's costing his team valuable possessions, while energizing the opposition. Because of Manu's continuous turnovers (forced and unforced), the Spurs were essentially playing 4-on-6. In short, Manu was helping the Heat with his poor decisions and poor play.

If anyone has been watching Manu in these playoffs and if you're honest with yourself, it's obvious that Manu, a once great player, is now a declining player. Manu has probably had 2 good games this entire playoff run. Otherwise, he's been a shell of the Manu we all once knew and loved. His Game 5 performance has now become the aberration.

No player is above constructive criticism - not him nor Pop, who should be blamed for forcing additional minutes onto Manu, when it was clear he was struggling mightily. Manu's place as a "Spur for life" is secure. His jersey will one day hang from the rafters of the AT&T Center and he will ultimately be elected into the Basketball HOF. Still, that doesn't excuse his awful performance last night or his rash of bone-headed decisions, which really hurt the Spurs cause in their quest to secure their 5th NBA Championship.

All that said, if, as I said earlier, this version of Manu is truly the norm, not the exception, Manu should strongly consider retirement after this season. Obviously, it will be his and the Spurs decision.

Completely agree. Ginobili is one of my favorite players but if he had just a BAD game last night the Spurs win. This was definitely the worst game of his career.

[Darius McCrary]

No doubt. Either way, after this season is a distant memory, I'll eventually forgive Manu and be somewhat near okay.

But last night definantly tarnished the idea of who Manu is, and that'll never go away. I've never seen a spur player go out of his way to help the other team like that.
It was like Rod Strickland's no look spin pass to the Rockets in final game of WCF's....but over and over and over and over and over again.

[GSH]

Everybody is remembering the free throws that the Spurs missed in the last minute, that "lost the game". Nobody seems to remember a FT that the Heat missed in OT, that at least left the Spurs an opportunity to win or tie it on their last two possessions. What's noteworthy isn't the fact that Bosh missed the FT, but the fact that Manu fouled him on a layup, and allowed him to get an and-1 opportunity. The rule there is, if you're going to foul there, foul the shit out of him and make him earn them from the line. And if ANYONE should know that, it's Manu. That play was absolutely the stupidest thing I have seen since... the last time Manu gave someone an and-1 in the last minutes of a critical playoff game. Remember that, anyone?

I can accept Manu getting older. But what I can't accept is him being absolutely fucking stupid, and the most critical point(s) in championship runs. He got lucky, with Bosh missing the FT. But that was the play of someone in self-destruct mode. It made me look at a lot of his other screw-ups last night in a totally different light.

[Josepatches_]

We should blame the coach who plays him.

If he can't play better, if he's done.... the coach is who has to sit him. Manu is not afraid, he's trying everything on the court but it seems he can't do anything right

Manu didn't deserve this shit if he's not able to play better at this point of his career Why? Should he quit?

[ElNono]

Disagree. He won't be hated nor should he be. But he won't be the beloved figure he once was if they lose. It severely tarnishes him in fans eyes IMO.

Disagree. I was actually shocked he's by far the most beloved Spur in that poll from the Express News, considering people tend to vote with the 'what have you done for me lately' mentality. As other people have already said, this will be chalked up to his decline. And there's obviously some of that there.

[Typical London Boy]

Was thinking earlier that Manu won us the 2005 championships and cost us the 2013 championships. Sad, but maybe true.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Who else would he retire with?? Tau Cerámica of the Spanish League?? If we don't offer a contract, I doubt anyother NBA teams would offer him a contract as badly as he has played and as tight as salary cap has gotten.

Now maybe the Lakers, Clips, Suns or Rockets offer him a 2-year contract at $2 million per year to help sell tickets to the Hispanic market. And that would be a gift.

The guy is done. He needs to be a man and retire on his own, and not try to extract a contract from us or any other team and embarrass himself any more than he has already.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

While I usually respect Manu, this has been a nightmare season. His age has not progressed well with his game

[AntiChrist]

Huge Manu homer here, but he was hurting more than helping in game 6.

It's strange that I now have more confidence in Tim's freethrows than I do Manu's.

[SenorSpur]

Everybody is remembering the free throws that the Spurs missed in the last minute, that "lost the game". Nobody seems to remember a FT that the Heat missed in OT, that at least left the Spurs an opportunity to win or tie it on their last two possessions. What's noteworthy isn't the fact that Bosh missed the FT, but the fact that Manu fouled him on a layup, and allowed him to get an and-1 opportunity. The rule there is, if you're going to foul there, foul the shit out of him and make him earn them from the line. And if ANYONE should know that, it's Manu. That play was absolutely the stupidest thing I have seen since... the last time Manu gave someone an and-1 in the last minutes of a critical playoff game. Remember that, anyone?

I can accept Manu getting older. But what I can't accept is him being absolutely fucking stupid, and the most critical point(s) in championship runs. He got lucky, with Bosh missing the FT. But that was the play of someone in self-destruct mode. It made me look at a lot of his other screw-ups last night in a totally different light.

Boy, how can I forget that one. We'll never know, but I've always been convinced that stupid-ass "and-1" foul, with the Spurs up by three, that Manu committed on Dirk during the late seconds of that 2006 WCSF series versus Dallas, not only cost the Spurs that game (which they went on to lose in OT), but it also cost them another NBA title. The fact of the matter is Manu could've let Dirk waltz into the lane and score the layup and the Spurs probably went the game anyway. To your point though, if he was going to foul the guy, foul the shit out of him to make sure he HAS to earn it from the line. It's amazing that 7 years later, we're talking about the same overzealous, bone-headed type of player from Manu.

[Soul_Patch]

I dont necessarily blame Manu. He is playing with pure heart trying everything he can to spark the team...it is just that every time he tries harder, it makes it worse for the team. I blame Popovich completely...he should have seen that Manu was struggling and was costing us this game and taken him out to save him the embarrassment and potentially save game for the Spurs...he chose to ride him into the ground and take the entire Spurs team with him.

[SpursSerb]

If Miami wins,i will never forgive him for taking the fifth out of Tim's hand.And i honestly i don't care if he retires as a Spur or not.So we are suppose to pay him some mid level contract on some loyalty?No thanks.If he is willing to take a vet minimum,he can stay.

[Oh, Gee!!]

It's not our decision whether he stays or goes. It's his and/or the spurs, and I doubt what we type on a messageboard will influence either party one iota.