The end of Bonner era?

[Spurs Brazil]

Bonner contract is 3,945,000 for next season but only $1 million guaranteed, fully if not waived on or before 06/29/13

I think Bonner era is over in a week

[dallasmaverickslose]

Idk, Bonner is great as a 5th big.

[mudyez]

Can they waive him and sign him for a little less?

I like him as a stretch-big off the bench but I'm not sure he is worth 4mio.

[UZER]

I have loathed Bonner for years knowing he is nothing but a playoff choker. In reality, it's not his fault, it's the fact that Pop spent all those years playing him so many minutes/playoff games while waisting alot of of Duncan's last years. Pops love affair with this guy was like nothing ever seen before (more than Finley).

I cringed when he was resigned, again not necessarily because of him or his game is his game, but for knowing Pop was gonna continue to give him waaaay too much playing time, especially in the playoffs where he is manhandled and shy. This is the first playoffs that Pop finally pulled the plug on him if he wasn't performing.

[ElNono]

I like his role of riding the bench... he has 1.5 rings doing it...

[texmich]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llvzgmdHpE1qc8snk.gif Please cut this guy, we I would take anyone over this guy, Im sure we could bring in any college guy that will hustle more than this guy on d or for rebounds, bonner only hits 3s when we got a good lead. CUT HIM!!

[apalisoc_9]

I don't see any reason why they shouldnt keep Bonner tbh. Matty is a specialist, play him when you badly need to stretch the floor but not rotation minutes and he would be worth the 1 million dollars he's getting paid.

[texmich]

I don't see any reason why they shouldnt keep Bonner tbh. Matty is a specialist, play him when you badly need to stretch the floor but not rotation minutes and he would be worth the 1 million dollars he's getting paid.

Not getting paid 1 mill, close to 4 mill, think the 1 mill is the buyout.

[mudyez]

I don't see any reason why they shouldnt keep Bonner tbh. Matty is a specialist, play him when you badly need to stretch the floor but not rotation minutes and he would be worth the 1 million dollars he's getting paid.

He is getting 4mio of we pick up his option.

[SnakeBoy]

Get rid of him and some other team will pick him up and he will destroy us in the playoffs. Keep him and he will destroy us in the playoffs. It's a no win situation.

[TrainOfThought5]

TBH Bonner is a great specialist big playing behind Duncan Splitter Robinson/West Diaw, and Baynes

[TXstbobcat]

For 4 million, I think Bonner will be gone before that deadline.

[texmich]

Oh yea but he stretches the floor, forgot bout that so yea 4 mill for a floor stetcher. Screw that kick him to the curb already http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8sbh8aDcm1qcv5b8.gif

[SA210]

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If Matty Bon Bon leaves this summer, put Blake and Cummdumpster on suicide watch tbh :rollin


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[Spurs Brazil]

Maybe the Spurs will trade him on Draft day

[poop]

I have loathed Bonner for years knowing he is nothing but a playoff choker. In reality, it's not his fault, it's the fact that Pop spent all those years playing him so many minutes/playoff games while waisting alot of of Duncan's last years. Pops love affair with this guy was like nothing ever seen before (more than Finley).

I cringed when he was resigned, again not necessarily because of him or his game is his game, but for knowing Pop was gonna continue to give him waaaay too much playing time, especially in the playoffs where he is manhandled and shy. This is the first playoffs that Pop finally pulled the plug on him if he wasn't performing.
Perfect post.

[davidbowie]

i hope he stays

[r-nice]

i hope he stays

For what?

[Knoxxx]

His money would be better spent on getting someone that can actually play during the playoffs.

[silverblk mystix]

:lol Bonner

[look_at_g_shred]

Can we get a guy like Aminu for Bonners money?

[Outlier]

Bonner gives us regular season wins while resting Duncan. He's an asset even if he's useless in the playoffs.

[look_at_g_shred]

For what?
lol

[angelbelow]

He's a great regular season player. He was fine for the playoffs too. Some games he performed, and got some minutes. Others he sucked and didn't play. Unless we have a clear cut option to get better (via trading his non-guaranteed contract), I say we keep him.

[palangi]

I would rather go after earl clark

[KL2]

I've been one of the biggest Bonner haters over the years but I'd love to keep him. He is perfect in his small role, his defense against Howard and Memphis' bigs was astounding. He's a great 5th big to have on the team.

[therealtruth]

I have loathed Bonner for years knowing he is nothing but a playoff choker. In reality, it's not his fault, it's the fact that Pop spent all those years playing him so many minutes/playoff games while waisting alot of of Duncan's last years. Pops love affair with this guy was like nothing ever seen before (more than Finley).

I cringed when he was resigned, again not necessarily because of him or his game is his game, but for knowing Pop was gonna continue to give him waaaay too much playing time, especially in the playoffs where he is manhandled and shy. This is the first playoffs that Pop finally pulled the plug on him if he wasn't performing.

The problem is the FO didn't have the right sense of urgency in '07.

[HI-FI]

The problem is the FO didn't have the right sense of urgency in '07.
This will be debated for years but its almost like the organization got a little less cutthroat and more about the journey together. Which isn't bad, but I think we kept the big 3 together past expiration date.

[Sean Cagney]

GOODBYE BONNER........

[Andthentherewas21]

At $4 million Bonner is probably overpaid but your not going to find a better replacement for $3 million (+1 million for the Bonner waiving). Especially after you factor in his knowledge of the system. If its part of signing a bigger name star or something, then maybe, but: 1) Big name FAs don't come to SA, and 2) Not sure any team would be willing to trade for Bonner.

As has been said, for $4 million he is going to give you a regular season win or 2 and keep Duncan's minutes lower, as long as he isn't a mainstay of the playoff rotation can't really complain.

[UZER]

plus bonner will be kept be cause of the infamous "coporate knowledge".

[HemisfairArena]

Do we have the worse bigs in the league outside of Duncan or what? Splitter is as soft as tissue paper...Bonner....same. You know its really sad when we hope a kid like Baynes is our great hope only because he is big.

[Libri]

He provides comic relief during practice.

[timmy2003]

Spurs can trade him for a pick.

[AFBlue]

It's not about whether Bonner is overpaid or how they value him. It's the opportunity cost associated with the $4M that makes him expendable. If I can take the savings and apply it to a starting-caliber player, that alone would justify the move. Then I draft a stretch big in the second round to fill his role and I've optimized it.

[spurraider21]

Bonner performed admirably during the playoffs. I'm not sure if his role justifies the ~ 4 million he is going to be owed though

[davidbowie]

For what?

He seems like a nice guy

[TheGoldStandard]

Bonner has more balls than Tiago though, he sure fucked with Howard in the 1st round.

[mudyez]

I'm curious how much time KL will/can spend as our stretch4.

AND isn't Diaw kind of a stretch4 as well?

[intlspurshk]

Trade him and filler to Dallas for VC and Brian Wright

[eric365]

Bonner is getting better and better in the playoff
I'd keep him

[BatManu20]

At $4 mil per, we have to find a way to get rid of this guy once and for all. I like Bonner as a person. I really do. He's a nice guy and yada yada yada.. but 1) He's way overpaid for what he does, 2) His defense is terrible and every team knows it, 3) He disappears when we need him most, and 4) He's just not very good at basketball. So yea, it's time to move on and replace him with someone who will actually help this team.

[Captivus]

Trade Bonner for a second rounder.

[Spurs Brazil]

Matt Bonner
Contract status: One year, $3.954 million (partially guaranteed)
Future: One of NBA’s most accurate 3-point shooters, Bonner still has value as a floor-spreading big man. Spurs can part with him for the tidy guaranteed sum of $1 million but will likely keep him unless they need salary cap space to make a move.
http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-roster-outlook-4616747.php?t=0c388ffafd927fc3fb

Keep a guy who barely play for $4m would be very very very stupid

[SenorSpur]

It's time for Bonner to go. It's been long overdue. The Spurs absolutely must get better on the frontline and, it doesn't matter how he spreads the floor, Bonner has been and continues to be a liability in every facet of the game.

[Juggity]

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[texmich]

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5333/8952022907_889ee40072_c.jpghttp://community.us.playstation.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/29387i2A6A48B691B19475/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1 This fuckn guy knows hes coming back, they probably told him n hes sticking it to us, looks to happy

[timtonymanu]

tbh, I wouldn't mind Bonner back in a 5th big role. Props to him for contributing in some form in the playoffs. But that contract is way too expensive.

I think the Spurs should be in good position with a Duncan/Splitter/Diaw/Baynes frontline.

[Raven]

i don't hate him, but i think we should move on from him. He's getting old.

[ace3g]

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[spurraider21]

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if he was to be amnestied, would Holt have to cough up the full 3.9 or just the 1 mil guaranteed

[SA210]

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:rollin

[cd021]

Do we have the worse bigs in the league outside of Duncan or what? Splitter is as soft as tissue paper...Bonner....same. You know its really sad when we hope a kid like Baynes is our great hope only because he is big.

Zbo & d12 disagree

[And1Mak]

matt boner is only in the league because popazit likes to be "cute"

[And1Mak]

bring back fabreezy big O-berto

[UnWantedTheory]

I think I speak for everyone when I say that we can only hope Bonner stays as our first big off the bench & signs an extension.

[TrainOfThought5]

LMAO for the gamers, if you wanna see just how unbelievably pathetic our bigs are without Duncan, play a few rounds on 2K without him. its like upping the difficulty level to super ultra utmost maximum.

[Big P]

At $4 million Bonner is probably overpaid but your not going to find a better replacement for $3 million (+1 million for the Bonner waiving). Especially after you factor in his knowledge of the system. If its part of signing a bigger name star or something, then maybe, but: 1) Big name FAs don't come to SA, and 2) Not sure any team would be willing to trade for Bonner

As has been said, for $4 million he is going to give you a regular season win or 2 and keep Duncan's minutes lower, as long as he isn't a mainstay of the playoff rotation can't really complain.

It's not about finding a replacement for $4 mil...it's about clearing $2.5 mil more for a FA...if Pop and the FO are not going to play the FA game this year, then I would expect bonner to be here after next week.

Here is what the salary cap expert at hoopsworld(I know) said....(But it does make sense)

Larry, the Spurs have guaranteed salary at 32mil for next season. That leaves about 37mil to match this season salary (69mil) without paying tax. However the salary cap is at 58mil. What should their moves be chronologically to keep their payroll intact without being limited by the cap?

Larry Coon

They’re committed to $41.7 million, not $32 million. Diaw ($4.7 million) and Mills ($1.1 million) have player options, but I imagine both will opt in. Matt Bonner is guaranteed $1 million if he’s waived, so the Spurs COULD clear another $2.5 million by waiving him. Also, Neal & Splitter are restricted free agents. I’m sure they will keep Neal, so his $1.1 million qualifying offer will stay on their cap. Splitter ($4.9 million) I’m not so sure about. Finally, Blair, Manu & McGrady are unrestricted.

So the most they COULD get is if they waive Bonner & walk away from everyone else (assuming Diaw & Mills pick up their options) is about $18.4 million of cap room (this also assumes they keep their draft pick). Subtract $2.5 million from that total if they keep Bonner. Subtract $0.6 million if they keep Neal (and I’m sure his actual contract will be higher, so this only counts until he’s signed). Subtract $4.4 million if they keep Splitter.

And if they want to keep Manu (at a lower salary) they need to sign him first – otherwise his free agent amount will eat into their cap room. But once he’s signed, his actual contract will eat into their cap room.

So chronologically it’d be:

1. Decide what to do with Bonner before June 30.
2. Make a qualifying offer to Neal by June 30.
3. Renounce everyone they’re going to renounce when the moratorium ends.
4. If they’re going to keep Manu at a lower salary, sign him asap.
5. Go shopping for free agents.
6. Re-sign Neal when they’re done.

[3 Legged Dog]

I have loathed Bonner for years knowing he is nothing but a playoff choker. In reality, it's not his fault, it's the fact that Pop spent all those years playing him so many minutes/playoff games while waisting alot of of Duncan's last years. Pops love affair with this guy was like nothing ever seen before (more than Finley).

I cringed when he was resigned, again not necessarily because of him or his game is his game, but for knowing Pop was gonna continue to give him waaaay too much playing time, especially in the playoffs where he is manhandled and shy. This is the first playoffs that Pop finally pulled the plug on him if he wasn't performing.

Agree completely. Ditch the red head

[spurraider21]

well they can either keep bonner for 3.9, waive him for 1, but if they're going to waive him they might as well use the amnesty provision so that 1 won't count against the cap

[Spurs Brazil]

If the Spurs waive Bonner before June 30 to save money, can they sign him for a minimum deal when the FA period start?

[Bruno]

Another option with Bonner would be to push back his guaranteed deadline by a couple of weeks and then amnesty him in July. If Spurs are serious about going after free agents with their cap space, that's the best solution.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Hopefully it's the end of his "legacy"

[Big P]

Why would they amnesty him?...then they would have to pay all of his $3+ mil contract as opposed to buying him out for $1 mil.

[hsxvvd]

I hope we keep him. I was impressed with his effort in this playoff run, and he seems like a good person to have around the locker room.

[200 miles]

I hope we keep him. I was impressed with his effort in this playoff run, and he seems like a good person to have around the locker room.

We need warriors, not one-trick ponies.

[Spurs Brazil]

So, tomorrow is the last day Spurs can waive Bonner. After that is $4M for a guy that barely play or amnesty

[benefactor]

Bonnerwatch 2013 is in full swing. An already emotionally unstable fan base will have a handful of pills in one hand and a razor in the other if Bonner's contract becomes guaranteed. However, I see that as highly unlikely with RC already stating he wanted cap flexibility.

[ElNono]

Glue guy, tbh...

[HemisfairArena]

Would anyone really be suprised if Pop kept Bonner around?

[AASATX]

Would anyone really be suprised if Pop kept Bonner around?

Of course not

[UZER]

Would anyone really be suprised if Pop kept Bonner around?

If Bonner gets cut...this will he Pop

JghkG4WydNk

[TheGreatYacht]

^:lmao

[HemisfairArena]

If Bonner gets cut...this will he Pop

JghkG4WydNk



LMAO

[SpurPadre]

Of course not

Someone needs to keep seats warm, tbh...but then again, that's where Patty comes in. Oh well, it will hurt this kid's feelings:

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[benefactor]

Would anyone really be suprised if Pop kept Bonner around?
I actually would this time. It doesn't make much sense to say you are stashing your first round pick to save money and choose to waste several million on an end of the bench big that you could save by just cutting him.

[DPG21920]

Glue guy, tbh...

Yup. That's what happens at horse factories.

[spurraider21]

:pop: Bonner knows the system and spreads the floor


in all seriousness, Bonner had a heck of a playoff run. the matchups against Miami/GSW didn't really allow him to play much, but against the "big" teams like LA and Memphis he had a field day.

[angelbelow]

If this is the end, I'm happy that Bonner was semi productive this time around. After mentally melting down for multiple playoff runs, he deserves some success. Its clear he puts in the time and effort and I'm happy that he was some what effective this time around.

[Spur-Addict]

He isn't going anywhere, sadly.

[Budkin]

Bonner retires a Spur. No doubt in my mind.

[silverblk mystix]

If Bonner gets cut...this will he Pop

JghkG4WydNk



:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

[TheGreatYacht]

If this is the end, I'm happy that Bonner was semi productive this time around. After mentally melting down for multiple playoff runs, he deserves some success. Its clear he puts in the time and effort and I'm happy that he was some what effective this time around.
:pop: Bonner knows the system and spreads the floor


in all seriousness, Bonner had a heck of a playoff run. the matchups against Miami/GSW didn't really allow him to play much, but against the "big" teams like LA and Memphis he had a field day.I actually thought the same thing. For the first time, Matt Bonner was effective in the playoffs as a Spur during the series against the Lakers and Memphis. I thought GSW and Heat were a terrible matchup for him because of the midgets on both opponents who have no trouble roaming the three point arc. I just wish that Matt Bonner's contract would not be an obstacle because he can still he useful should we run into the Lakers, Denver, Clippers, or Memphis again in next year's playoffs.

[SpurPadre]

He'll outlast TD and Manu as a Spur.

[HemisfairArena]

Pop will keep Bonner around and use the excuse that Splitter may leave and they cant afford to lose both big men.

[SA210]

If Bonner gets cut...this will he Pop

JghkG4WydNk


:lmao:rollin"I've abandoned my child!!! I've abandoned my boy!!!"

[Texas_Ranger]

I am 90% sure Bonner stays... Pop just loves him too much.

[BatManu20]

Yea Bonner's not going anywhere guys.. sorry.

[elemento]

I am 90% sure Bonner stays... Pop just loves him too much.

I hope you're wrong. I don't hate Bonbon but he is not worth 4m/year

[SenorSpur]

Yea Bonner's not going anywhere guys.. sorry.

I'd love for it to happen, but I don't see it either. Pop's stubborn loyalty will win out over logic and what truly makes sense for the team.

[Johnsyounger]

You guys that hate Bonner and Splitter are IDIOTS. There are no more good big men in the NBA. These guys don't grow on trees. 4mil isn't shit to pay Bonner.

[silverblk mystix]

:lmao:rollin"I've abandoned my child!!! I've abandoned my boy!!!"


They will play this repeatedly at the next POPPERS gala....all the POPPERS in tears!!!!!


:rollin:rollin

[HemisfairArena]

You guys that hate Bonner and Splitter are IDIOTS. There are no more good big men in the NBA. These guys don't grow on trees. 4mil isn't shit to pay Bonner.

LMAO.

Howard
Marc Gasol
Hibbert
Cousins
Lopez
Noah
Chandler
Monroe
Davis
Duncan
ZBO
West
Dirk
Love
Griffin

...thats 15 players right there that are better than Splitter and Bonner and I only scratched the surface. What do you mean no more good big men in the league?

[silverblk mystix]

You guys that hate Bonner and Splitter are IDIOTS. There are no more good big men in the NBA. These guys don't grow on trees. 4mil isn't shit to pay Bonner.

I certainly don't hate Splitter - but with a stupid coach - his future is limited.

It took 3 years for idiot coach to put him in the starting lineup next to Timmy - which resulted in the top big man defensive tandem in the NBA - only to be jerked around in the finals at the first sign of small ball.

I would love to see Timmy/Tiago have another season - even at Timmy's age - but I know - as we all know now - that Pop will only panic and fuck it up at crunchtime anyhow.

[HemisfairArena]

I certainly don't hate Splitter - but with a stupid coach - his future is limited.

It took 3 years for idiot coach to put him in the starting lineup next to Timmy - which resulted in the top big man defensive tandem in the NBA - only to be jerked around in the finals at the first sign of small ball.

I would love to see Timmy/Tiago have another season - even at Timmy's age - but I know - as we all know now - that Pop will only panic and fuck it up at crunchtime anyhow.


I'm not sold on Splitter. He folded like a cheap lawn chair in the Finals. He was soft as Pau Gasol and thats saying something.

[silverblk mystix]

I'm not sold on Splitter. He folded like a cheap lawn chair in the Finals. He was soft as Pau Gasol and thats saying something.

Well - this much had already been proven IMO;

Tiago was shaky his first two seasons - but anyone could see that -when given playing time - he excelled. When jerked around - his game went to shit and he became unsure.

Season 3 - he gets steady playing time and a starting position- he excels again - beyond expectations.

In the finals - he gets jerked around again and his play suffers again.

Could the coach have had anything to do with that? Plus Miami was pretty good on their defensive rotations.

[siraulo23]

Well - this much had already been proven IMO;

Tiago was shaky his first two seasons - but anyone could see that -when given playing time - he excelled. When jerked around - his game went to shit and he became unsure.

Season 3 - he gets steady playing time and a starting position- he excels again - beyond expectations.

In the finals - he gets jerked around again and his play suffers again.

Could the coach have had anything to do with that? Plus Miami was pretty good on their defensive rotations.

or maybe he sucked in the finals/finals were a bad matchup for him, so he got jerked around?

he couldnt handle the pressure and didnt make the right decisions, either a pass or going strong to the rim but it had a lot to do with the heat's d

[HemisfairArena]

Splitter isnt exactly gold. He will want and probably get an 8 mil/yr contract but remember the guy averaged 10 and 6 all year. Not good for a guy in his prime. He will be 29 in January. 10 and 6....that is horrible.

[silverblk mystix]

or maybe he sucked in the finals/finals were a bad matchup for him, so he got jerked around?

he couldnt handle the pressure and didnt make the right decisions, either a pass or going strong to the rim but it had a lot to do with the heat's d

Maybe.

One thing I feel strongly about and have for years is this;

If you preach about pounding the rock - and this leads to a whole culture and a whole system - of pounding the rock - and it works and it results in the top two man big man tandem in the league - defensivewise....


Why panic every year in the playoffs at the first sign of trouble?


Do you think the players might not be thrown off?

[siraulo23]

Maybe.

One thing I feel strongly about and have for years is this;

If you preach about pounding the rock - and this leads to a whole culture and a whole system - of pounding the rock - and it works and it results in the top two man big man tandem in the league - defensivewise....


Why panic every year in the playoffs at the first sign of trouble?


Do you think the players might not be thrown off?

splitter had plenty of opportunity to prove that they can stay with their usual lineup, pop refused to matchup with the heat's small ball initially but i dont think there's any question splitter didnt play well enough to continue that route, the first game heat started miller, splitter committed two mental mistakes within the first 20 secs or so of the game, maybe in the past couple of years splitter would sit out the rest of the series but he had more opportunities to redeem himself

splitter continuously made the wrong decisions when he got the ball off the pocket pass the rest of the game and well the rest of the series really, and when you consider that he has to guard a rejuvenated d wade on the other end?

[silverblk mystix]

splitter had plenty of opportunity to prove that they can stay with their usual lineup, pop refused to matchup with the heat's small ball initially but i dont think there's any question splitter didnt play well enough to continue that route, the first game heat started miller, splitter committed two mental mistakes within the first 20 secs or so of the game, maybe in the past couple of years splitter would sit out the rest of the series but he had more opportunities to redeem himself

splitter continuously made the wrong decisions when he got the ball off the pocket pass the rest of the game and well the rest of the series really, and when you consider that he has to guard a rejuvenated d wade on the other end?


I don't know if we watched the same series...here is what I saw;

Mike Miller starts.....20 secs or less Splitter fouls Wade....and that was the end of the TD/Tiago tandem.

The rest of the series was Splitter coming in to give Timmy a rest. (I am grateful at least that Pop didn't completely bury Tiago the rest of the series like the last two years - but still - the TD/Tiago pairing had gotten the job done all season and Pop didn't trust them)

[jbspurs]

Can't wait!!

[siraulo23]

I don't know if we watched the same series...here is what I saw;

Mike Miller starts.....20 secs or less Splitter fouls Wade....and that was the end of the TD/Tiago tandem.

The rest of the series was Splitter coming in to give Timmy a rest. (I am grateful at least that Pop didn't completely bury Tiago the rest of the series like the last two years - but still - the TD/Tiago pairing had gotten the job done all season and Pop didn't trust them)

splitter's back court violation as soon as the ball was tipped, then commited prolly the only thing you should never do when guarding d wade the 1st play of the game? his head wasnt in the game

the series wasnt for him, the spurs had the opportunity to win the series without him playing elite so i really dont blame him but it was a bad matchup imo

shit, just realized this is a bonner thread... oops :lol

[Leetonidas]

Pop finally proved that he won't play Bonner in the POs when it matters, at least I don't remember screaming at the TV when Bonner was in anyway. For a vet min I'd like Bonner back, he's good depth and insurance and rains threes during the regular season allowing for invaluable rest for Tim. As long as he stays in the role he's been in and doesn't play anymore than 10-15mpg

[HemisfairArena]

I would trade Bonner and Splitter right now for Asik. Asik is 26 and a double/double machine and the Rockets will be looking to trade him with Howard coming to town. That tells you what I think about Splitter and Bonner. Asik is a great player.

[Leetonidas]

I don't know if we watched the same series...here is what I saw;

Mike Miller starts.....20 secs or less Splitter fouls Wade....and that was the end of the TD/Tiago tandem.

The rest of the series was Splitter coming in to give Timmy a rest. (I am grateful at least that Pop didn't completely bury Tiago the rest of the series like the last two years - but still - the TD/Tiago pairing had gotten the job done all season and Pop didn't trust them)
After Splitter got his shit stuffed in Game 2 it was over for him, you could see he was never confident out there as evidenced by him constantly getting blocked/stripped by smaller players in the post. Splitter really shat the bed against Miami, that's not Pop's fault. He turned the ball over the second the game started and fouled Wade. Inexcusable

[coyotes_geek]

Bonnerwatch 2013 is in full swing. An already emotionally unstable fan base will have a handful of pills in one hand and a razor in the other if Bonner's contract becomes guaranteed.

Win-win situation TBH...

[silverblk mystix]

After Splitter got his shit stuffed in Game 2 it was over for him, you could see he was never confident out there as evidenced by him constantly getting blocked/stripped by smaller players in the post. Splitter really shat the bed against Miami, that's not Pop's fault. He turned the ball over the second the game started and fouled Wade. Inexcusable


Well, one thing's for sure - he didn't shit the bed as badly as Pop shit the bed. Pop defecated all over the fuckin bedroom tbh.

[texmich]

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[Kindergarten Cop]

Another option with Bonner would be to push back his guaranteed deadline by a couple of weeks and then amnesty him in July. If Spurs are serious about going after free agents with their cap space, that's the best solution.

Why would the Spurs waste their opportunity to use the Amnesty provision on Bonner? Do you really think that it would be worth the extra $1M of cap space? I think there are more realistic and financially beneficial ways to shed his cap space than using the provision.

[Chinook]

Why would the Spurs waste their opportunity to use the Amnesty provision on Bonner? Do you really think that it would be worth the extra $1M of cap space? I think there are more realistic and financially beneficial ways to shed his cap space than using the provision.

It's him or Parker now. And since the Spurs aren't going to amnesty Parker, there's no reason NOT to use it on Bonner.

[TheGoldStandard]

Tiago is maxed out offensively, don't see him all of a sudden discovering post moves, don't want him taking jumpers as there would be nobody to rebound the ball and I doubt defenders will really run out to stop him. His Pick N Roll game only exists with Manu because Parker doesn't trust him and it's easily stopped if you rotate and catch him early in his roll he just stops dead in his tracks and has no where to go and usually turns the ball over. Don't see why we should invest money in that..

[Texas_Ranger]

27 hours left... just do it!!!

[Johnsyounger]

LMAO.

Howard
Marc Gasol
Hibbert
Cousins
Lopez
Noah
Chandler
Monroe
Davis
Duncan
ZBO
West
Dirk
Love
Griffin

...thats 15 players right there that are better than Splitter and Bonner and I only scratched the surface. What do you mean no more good big men in the league?
Just sign em up then eh? Ill take Gasol and Dirk. That shouldn't be a problem??

[Johnsyounger]

And not one of those guys is a top 10 player.

[Johnsyounger]

Except Duncan :)

[Kindergarten Cop]

It's him or Parker now. And since the Spurs aren't going to amnesty Parker, there's no reason NOT to use it on Bonner.

I forgot that Bonner and Parker were the only players eligible for the provision.

With that being said, would saving $3M in real money count as a reason not to use it on Bonner. I know it's easier for us (the fans) to say that the $1M cap savings outweigh the money still spent after using the amnesty clause on Bonner, but most owners don't view it in the same light.

[Duncanonu]

They won't do it, but man do I wish they would.

[Chinook]

I forgot that Bonner and Parker were the only players eligible for the provision.

With that being said, would saving $3M in real money count as a reason not to use it on Bonner. I know it's easier for us (the fans) to say that the $1M cap savings outweigh the money still spent after using the amnesty clause on Bonner, but most owners don't view it in the same light.

If Bonner agrees to push back his guarantee date, then it WON'T cost the Spurs that extra $3 Million. It may cost a couple hundred thousand more (for Bonner's trouble), but it wouldn't cost more than that if he agrees to alter his contract like McDyess did.

[therealtruth]

Well - this much had already been proven IMO;

Tiago was shaky his first two seasons - but anyone could see that -when given playing time - he excelled. When jerked around - his game went to shit and he became unsure.

Season 3 - he gets steady playing time and a starting position- he excels again - beyond expectations.

In the finals - he gets jerked around again and his play suffers again.

Could the coach have had anything to do with that? Plus Miami was pretty good on their defensive rotations.

I agree. Pop stuck with Ginobili long enough for him to throw the championship away. People focus on the wrong thing with Splitter. It's not about the offense. It's about the defense and the stats don't lie. We're much better defensively with him on the floor. Offense can always be figured out. The reality is by going away from Splitter Pop was abandoning the improved defense that even put them in this position. He talked so much about getting better this year defensively. Then when faced with a challenge he abandons a big part of that defense.

[Kindergarten Cop]

If Bonner agrees to push back his guarantee date, then it WON'T cost the Spurs that extra $3 Million. It may cost a couple hundred thousand more (for Bonner's trouble), but it wouldn't cost more than that if he agrees to alter his contract like McDyess did.

I think I understand what you are saying now - if Bonner agrees to push back his guarantee date and the Spurs amnesty him before that date, they only have to pay him the $1M portion of his deal and that amount will not count against the cap (best of both worlds for the Spurs), right?

[TheGoldStandard]

I agree. Pop stuck with Ginobili long enough for him to throw the championship away. People focus on the wrong thing with Splitter. It's not about the offense. It's about the defense and the stats don't lie. We're much better defensively with him on the floor. Offense can always be figured out. The reality is by going away from Splitter Pop was abandoning the improved defense that even put them in this position. He talked so much about getting better this year defensively. Then when faced with a challenge he abandons a big part of that defense.

Tiago is not a problem when he's on the floor with Tim he can play defense and he's not the focal point of the offense when he's in the starting line up but since they are short bigs when he comes off the bench with the 2nd unit he's a large part of the offense with Pick N Roll and he plain sucks at it if he's not 3 feet from the basket when he gets the ball. The offense is a problem especially with this team getting older, minutes needing to stay low for the other bigs and he's not worth the price tag.

[spursfan4ever]

^ good point! Splitter must somehow develop a shot beyond 3ft from the rim to become effective in this offense. Instead of going down home to brazil he needs to stay in S.A. to work with Chip all summer or take chip down there to brazil to work with him if he decides on signing back with the Spurs. .

[benefactor]

Tick, tock, tick, tock......

[Texas_Ranger]

6+ hours left and it looks like Bonner will be getting 4M next year. How nice. :rollin

[Baam]

6+ hours left and it looks like Bonner will be getting 4M next year. How nice. :rollin

Pop is shaken, no way he lets his lover get away in his current state, he needs all the comfort he can get.

[DPG21920]

Even if he's not waived, they can amnesty him (which seems less likely than waiving him because it's an extra 3M cost for the Spurs) barring him not doing what Chinook/Bruno said.

[200 miles]

Even if he's not waived, they can amnesty him (which seems less likely than waiving him because it's an extra 3M cost for the Spurs) barring him not doing what Chinook/Bruno said.

Well if Bonner is staying, I hope they let Splitter go. We need to see what Baynes brings to the table with consistent playing time.

[MeloHype]

:cry

[spursince#99]

I'm about to be so upset.

[spurraider21]

i thought it was a lock he wouldn't be brought back

[DPG21920]

Again, just because he's not waived does not mean he will be back. They could be working on a trade, they might be working on him pushing back his deadline or they might just be planning on using the amnesty provision on him. There is this though:

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This is from Jeff McDonald with regards to Bonner.

[spursince#99]

If nothing happens in the next 4 hours and change we may as well wave goodbye to any possible free agents we could have had. How devastating and idiotic.

[DPG21920]

If nothing happens in the next 4 hours and change we may as well wave goodbye to any possible free agents we could have had. How devastating and idiotic.

Why do you say that?

[spursince#99]

Why do you say that?


Because we're not about to amnesty Bonner. If he makes it to 12 then he's obviously in our future plans. That'll leave us at around 16 million for free agency, and Tiago and Manu are commanding 12 to 13 million easily. That leaves us at around 3 to 4 million which probably wouldn't even net us a guy like Aminu.

[DPG21920]

Tiago's money is largely irrelevant with regards to cap space. The only way it matters would be in a positive way (meaning he takes less than his cap hold, or the Spurs let him go freeing up that cap hold amount). The real difference maker is Bonner and how much Manu gets.

[Texas_Ranger]

They wont amnesty him. Spurs don't spend 3M just like that.... That means he'll stay and get paid 4M for being probably our 5th big. Amazing!!

[spursince#99]

Tiago's money is largely irrelevant with regards to cap space. The only way it matters would be in a positive way (meaning he takes less than his cap hold, or the Spurs let him go freeing up that cap hold amount). The real difference maker is Bonner and how much Manu gets.


And how much would you assume Manu gets? I say between 4 and 5M, but probably somewhere in between with 5M being the max amount. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Manu got a little over 6 knowing R.C.

[spursince#99]

They wont amnesty him. Spurs don't spend 3M just like that.... That means he'll stay and get paid 4M for being probably our 5th big. Amazing!!


Yeah, Peter Holt isn't about to just eat 3M. He's clearly not a Russian billionaire.

[DPG21920]

Just taking a pretty wild guess, I say Manu gets 6M per year (so either 2 year/12M or 3 year/18M). Under that scenario if Bonner sticks and they don't do any trades, Spurs have about 2M. If Bonner is amnestied, that goes to 6M.

[Texas_Ranger]

Spurs master plan:

Give Splitter 10M, Manu 7M, Neal 3M.

This shit wouldn't surprise me one bit, but it would put me on suicide watch.

[Russ]

Well if Bonner is staying, I hope they let Splitter go. We need to see what Baynes brings to the table with consistent playing time.

If you like Baynes more than Splitter, at this point, you're in the realm of fandom where NBA GMs dare not tread.

Splitter has established value around the NBA.

Baynes has some upside, but he could also be the white Mahinmi.

[spursince#99]

Just taking a pretty wild guess, I say Manu gets 6M per year (so either 2 year/12M or 3 year/18M). Under that scenario if Bonner sticks and they don't do any trades, Spurs have about 2M. If Bonner is amnestied, that goes to 6M.


No way Manu gets a long term deal like 3 year/18M. If anything, he'll get 2 year/12M, with the 2nd year being a player option. I honestly don't see him returning after this year, unfortunately.

[objective]

Keeping Bonner is a disgrace.

They can't do more than the MLE with Bonner's salary. Unless they've already agreed to pay Splitter more than 10 a year to start and know that Manu is demanding a sizable sum. Even then, Bonner doesn't help the team win at all. He is an anchor on Duncan's feet.

[HemisfairArena]

If Manu gets anywhere near a 6 or 7 mil/yr deal...our front office has had an epic fail. Who pays 6-7 mil for an old injury prone SG that is more of a liability than an asset?

[DPG21920]

No way Manu gets a long term deal like 3 year/18M. If anything, he'll get 2 year/12M, with the 2nd year being a player option. I honestly don't see him returning after this year, unfortunately.

Keep in mind that when you have cap space, you can absorb money in trades. So let's say Bonner is amenstied and Manu signs for 6M. With that 6M in cap space you can either sign a FA or trade for someone and absorb ~6.5M in a trade. If you include a player with that (say Diaw) you can trade for a player making 10M+.

[spursince#99]

Spurs master plan:

Give Splitter 10M, Manu 7M, Neal 3M.

This shit wouldn't surprise me one bit, but it would put me on suicide watch.

This is where loyalty turns into obsession.

[Embedded]

Tiago needs to box. He needs to try to get shots up while they are hitting him with pads, etc. That should be part of his training regimen, I think, IMHO. He also need to learn how to clear out with one hand while dunking, so no more iconic blocks by LeBron.

[spursince#99]

Keep in mind that when you have cap space, you can absorb money in trades. So let's say Bonner is amenstied and Manu signs for 6M. With that 6M in cap space you can either sign a FA or trade for someone and absorb ~6.5M in a trade. If you include a player with that (say Diaw) you can trade for a player making 10M+.

That totally slipped my mind, but even then Bonner is our biggest asset. That being said, the only teams that would take on his salary would be teams looking to tank for the 2014 draft, and those teams have nothing to offer. Unless we could net a Jeff Green out of Boston which is quite unlikely I suppose.

[cd021]

Even if he's not waived, they can amnesty him (which seems less likely than waiving him because it's an extra 3M cost for the Spurs) barring him not doing what Chinook/Bruno said.

Yeah if the don't cut him, id doubt they amnesty him because you'd be agreeing to pay almost four million off the cap instead of just paying $1 million. Unless the Spurs are looking to be players in the off season and need all available cap space.

[TheGreatYacht]

If Manu gets anywhere near a 6 or 7 mil/yr deal...our front office has had an epic fail. Who pays 6-7 mil for an old injury prone SG that is more of a liability than an asset?Agree. Fuc* Manu. I want his as* out of here. He deserves the veteran's minimum or the room exception. Even better, he should retire.

[DPG21920]

Yeah if the don't cut him, id doubt they amnesty him because you'd be agreeing to pay almost four million off the cap instead of just paying $1 million. Unless the Spurs are looking to be players in the off season and need all available cap space.

Well, at this point, that seems to be the plan, but of course we don't know for sure at the moment.

[Birn]

This thread is loaded with idiots. Bonner is not going anywhere. If they were, it would've been reported. Also, please do a little research on the amnesty provision before just throwing it out there as an easy option for the Spurs. NBA teams can only use it one time over the next 10 years (length of current CBA). The Spurs aren't stupid enough to use their one shot on Bonner's measly $4m salary with just one year left. He's a bargain at that price. I'm just cracking up at how you people are waiting online counting down until midnight to see if they buy out his final year. What a bunch of losers!! Y'all really need to get a life.

[TheGreatYacht]

This thread is loaded with idiots. Bonner is not going anywhere. If they were, it would've been reported. Also, please do a little research on the amnesty provision before just throwing it out there as an easy option for the Spurs. NBA teams can only use it one time over the next 10 years (length of current CBA). The Spurs aren't stupid enough to use their one shot on Bonner's measly $4m salary with just one year left. He's a bargain at that price. I'm just cracking up at how you people are waiting online counting down until midnight to see if they buy out his final year. What a bunch of losers!! Y'all really need to get a life.Well there are only two players on the Spurs roster that are eligible for the amnesty clause. The two players are Tony Parker and Matt Bonner. The Spurs should have used their amnesty clause on Matt Bonner two years ago. We could have signed someone better this whole time. Would the Spurs amnesty Tony Parker? LOL, not a chance.

[DPG21920]

This thread is loaded with idiots. Bonner is not going anywhere. If they were, it would've been reported. Also, please do a little research on the amnesty provision before just throwing it out there as an easy option for the Spurs. NBA teams can only use it one time over the next 10 years (length of current CBA). The Spurs aren't stupid enough to use their one shot on Bonner's measly $4m salary with just one year left. He's a bargain at that price. I'm just cracking up at how you people are waiting online counting down until midnight to see if they buy out his final year. What a bunch of losers!! Y'all really need to get a life.

I'm about to meet up with the crew for some drinks, are you coming?

[Birn]

The Spurs off season will be focused on resigning our own FA's (Manu, Tiago and Neal) and then using the MLE and LLE to sign other complimentary pieces. They will not go over the luxury tax. Get it out of your heads that we plan to create enough cap space to sign a major FA. The best option for them is what I outlined above. Like always, they will be open to any opportunity to improve the roster via trade but they won't make a trade just to make a trade. The players that are the most likely to leave are Blair and Neal. They will both get pretty decent offers on the open market. Neal may return if he doesn't get anything beyond the Spurs qualifying offer. Chances are he'll get some offers.

[TheGreatYacht]

The Spurs off season will be focused on resigning our own FA's (Manu, Tiago and Neal) and then using the MLE and LLE to sign other complimentary pieces. They will not go over the luxury tax. Get it out of your heads that we plan to create enough cap space to sign a major FA. The best option for them is what I outlined above. Like always, they will be open to any opportunity to improve the roster via trade but they won't make a trade just to make a trade. The players that are the most likely to leave are Blair and Neal. They will both get pretty decent offers on the open market. Neal may return if he doesn't get anything beyond the Spurs qualifying offer. Chances are he'll get some offers.Then the usual will happen. They will end up picking up a shit*y FA in the offseason while having all their cap space wasted in resigning Manu, Splitter, and Neal. If your scenario happens, regardless of who they sign with the MLE, then the Spurs WILL NOT get out of the Western Conference next year. Guaranteed.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs off season will be focused on resigning our own FA's (Manu, Tiago and Neal) and then using the MLE and LLE to sign other complimentary pieces. They will not go over the luxury tax. Get it out of your heads that we plan to create enough cap space to sign a major FA. The best option for them is what I outlined above. Like always, they will be open to any opportunity to improve the roster via trade but they won't make a trade just to make a trade. The players that are the most likely to leave are Blair and Neal. They will both get pretty decent offers on the open market. Neal may return if he doesn't get anything beyond the Spurs qualifying offer. Chances are he'll get some offers.

They very well may do what you said (not a terrible thing). But Cap Space is a very real possibility if there is someone they really like. Lot's of variable still left though (Market for Tiago, Manu's contract...)

[HemisfairArena]

Agree. Fuc* Manu. I want his as* out of here. He deserves the veteran's minimum or the room exception. Even better, he should retire.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Then the usual will happen. They will end up picking up a shit*y FA in the offseason while having all their cap space wasted in resigning Manu, Splitter, and Neal. If your scenario happens, regardless of who they sign with the MLE, then the Spurs WILL NOT get out of the Western Conference next year. Guaranteed.

Perhaps it's just me, but I can't get over all of the statements like this. No offense, but we were literally seconds away from winning the NBA Championship with the current roster. I'm not saying that we don't need to improve (which we absolutely could, even given the offseason scenario that you spelled out), but for people to act as if we are doomed to the lottery (not that you are going that far) if we don't make significant changes are ludicrous.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Then the usual will happen. They will end up picking up a shit*y FA in the offseason while having all their cap space wasted in resigning Manu, Splitter, and Neal. If your scenario happens, regardless of who they sign with the MLE, then the Spurs WILL NOT get out of the Western Conference next year. Guaranteed.

Perhaps it's just me, but I can't get over all of the statements like this. No offense, but we were literally seconds away from winning the NBA Championship with the current roster. I'm not saying that we don't need to improve (which we absolutely could, even given the offseason scenario that you spelled out), but for people to act as if we are doomed to the lottery (not that you are going that far) if we don't make significant changes are ludicrous.

[TheGreatYacht]

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[spursince#99]

2 mediocre players who sign for the MLE and LLE would get us ousted in the second round, and that's with us reaching our potential, tbh.

[objective]

Also, please do a little research on the amnesty provision before just throwing it out there as an easy option for the Spurs. NBA teams can only use it one time over the next 10 years (length of current CBA).

Amnesty can only be used on players who were already under contract when the new CBA took effect. Which leaves only Bonner and Parker eligible. And the new CBA can be voided as soon as summer 2017.

[objective]

Which brings me to this: With Bonner, can the Spurs even make a play for an amnestied player? What if Pau gets amnestied, can the Spurs even make a winning bid? I doubt it with Bonner on the books.

[spursince#99]

Which brings me to this: With Bonner, can the Spurs even make a play for an amnestied player? What if Pau gets amnestied, can the Spurs even make a winning bid? I doubt it with Bonner on the books.


No, we can't.

[HemisfairArena]

Which brings me to this: With Bonner, can the Spurs even make a play for an amnestied player? What if Pau gets amnestied, can the Spurs even make a winning bid? I doubt it with Bonner on the books.

Not that we want Gasol because he is tissue soft but yes we can make a play for him if he is amnestied. The bulk of the salary relies on the team that cut him. He is free to sign where ever he wants for next to peanuts and still make huge bank. Just because they are amnestied doesnt mean they dont get paid...it just means their salary cap consequences help alieviate the cap pressure of the team that cut them.

[ElNono]

Meh, haven't wanted redhead for the past 4 seasons... but I'm much less concerned now that he's in fact not seeing the floor much at all... the question is if a benchwarmer is worth $4m...

[Kindergarten Cop]

Not that we want Gasol because he is tissue soft but yes we can make a play for him if he is amnestied. The bulk of the salary relies on the team that cut him. He is free to sign where ever he wants for next to peanuts and still make huge bank. Just because they are amnestied doesnt mean they dont get paid...it just means their salary cap consequences help alieviate the cap pressure of the team that cut them.


To be clear, he wouldn't be able to sign wherever he wanted - unless no teams were to put in a bid on him (which most definitely would not be the case). After released, the team that has the highest bid during the 48 hour waiver period is awarded the player. If multiple teams have the same bid (and it is the highest), the team with the worst record is awarded the player.

[spursince#99]

Not that we want Gasol because he is tissue soft but yes we can make a play for him if he is amnestied. The bulk of the salary relies on the team that cut him. He is free to sign where ever he wants for next to peanuts and still make huge bank. Just because they are amnestied doesnt mean they dont get paid...it just means their salary cap consequences help alieviate the cap pressure of the team that cut them.


And we will get outbid due to our limited supply of cap space so technically, no.

[HemisfairArena]

To be clear, he wouldn't be able to sign wherever he wanted - unless no teams were to put in a bid on him (which most definitely would not be the case). After released, the team that has the highest bid during the 48 hour waiver period is awarded the player. If multiple teams have the same bid (and it is the highest), the team with the worst record is awarded the player.


Correct. Unlike a waived player...an amnestied player goes to the highest bidder which was my point. A team that has huge capspace and trying to rebuild...like lets say the Rockets or Dallas arent gonna bid high for an "old" PF. And young teams like Cleveland and Washington wont either. Spurs would actually have a good shot at getting him with our capspace....but once again...dont want him. Give me Al Jefferson.

[HemisfairArena]

And we will get outbid due to our limited supply of cap space so technically, no.
We dont have a limited supply of cap space. Actually with Manu and Sthephen Jackson off the books ...we have big money to spend. Hell...if Tiago goes somewhere else we are way under the cap. Right now we only have 43 mil counted on the cap.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Correct. Unlike a waived player...an amnestied player goes to the highest bidder which was my point. A team that has huge capspace and trying to rebuild...like lets say the Rockets or Dallas arent gonna bid high for an "old" PF. And young teams like Cleveland and Washington wont either. Spurs would actually have a good shot at getting him with our capspace....but once again...dont want him. Give me Al Jefferson.

I disagree with your opinion that Houston or Dallas wouldn't put in a claim for him. Gasol's contract is only for this next season, so it is not like they're committing to him long term. If the Lakers amnesty Gasol, which only happens if Howard stays, that means that both Dallas and Houston (obviously) missed out on luring Dwight away - and I could easily see them considering Gasol a plan B option.

[spurraider21]

2 mediocre players who sign for the MLE and LLE would get us ousted in the second round, and that's with us reaching our potential, tbh.

really? we just made the finals and were literally the closest any team has gotten without winning...with this very squad. if we kept everybody and added an MLE player our "full potential" would have us back in the finals tbh

[spursince#99]

really? we just made the finals and were literally the closest any team has gotten without winning...with this very squad. if we kept everybody and added an MLE player our "full potential" would have us back in the finals tbh


Take into account that Westbrook got hurt, and our Big 3 will just get a year older, while other teams will upgrade around us.

[spursince#99]

We dont have a limited supply of cap space. Actually with Manu and Sthephen Jackson off the books ...we have big money to spend. Hell...if Tiago goes somewhere else we are way under the cap. Right now we only have 43 mil counted on the cap.

Manu nor Splitter is going anywhere. Same could be said for Bonner now as well.

[spurraider21]

Take into account that Westbrook got hurt, and our Big 3 will just get a year older, while other teams will upgrade around us.

considering you stressed "with us reaching our potential" i will continue to respectfully disagree. kawhi is improving, green is improving. CoJo will have another year of experience to hopefully make strides as a backup point guard. there is still room for internal improvement.

[spursince#99]

considering you stressed "with us reaching our potential" i will continue to respectfully disagree. kawhi is improving, green is improving. CoJo will have another year of experience to hopefully make strides as a backup point guard. there is still room for internal improvement.


I respect your opinion, but other teams are improving internally as well.

[spurraider21]

I respect your opinion, but other teams are improving internally as well.

even then, calling us a 2nd round exit while simultaneously reaching our potential seems like an irrationally pessimistic prediction. if we lost in the 2nd round, there is no way i can say that those spurs hit their full potential. plus okc is getting worse. heck, kevin martin might even walk from okc

[cd021]

This thread is loaded with idiots. Bonner is not going anywhere. If they were, it would've been reported. Also, please do a little research on the amnesty provision before just throwing it out there as an easy option for the Spurs. NBA teams can only use it one time over the next 10 years (length of current CBA). The Spurs aren't stupid enough to use their one shot on Bonner's measly $4m salary with just one year left. He's a bargain at that price. I'm just cracking up at how you people are waiting online counting down until midnight to see if they buy out his final year. What a bunch of losers!! Y'all really need to get a life.

They can only amnesty players available on roster at the time of the CBA. Bonner is really the only option but if they want to be rid of him then they will cut em. I'd suggest that you go to hoopworld. Also no way that the CBA last 10 seasons they can opt out after 5 i believe.

[cd021]

even then, calling us a 2nd round exit while simultaneously reaching our potential seems like an irrationally pessimistic prediction. if we lost in the 2nd round, there is no way i can say that those spurs hit their full potential. plus okc is getting worse. heck, kevin martin might even walk from okc

That a possiblity. I really believe the Spurs should be the favorites even forecasting Howard moving to Dallas or Houston. OKC has $64 million guaranteed to 9 players and $67 if they pick up options on Orton, Thabeet and Liggins.

They have to picks in the bottom 20's that will probably cost them $1.8-2 million combined. If they sign both and renounce all three options. they'd have 11 players and only $4 million roughly. Unless they amnesty Perkins or move Collison to a team with cap they will more than likely not be able to keep Martin unless he's willing to take a massive cut to about $4 million. They basically won't have a bench and will have to rely on rookies and sophomores to contribute to a playoff team despite little to no NBA experience.

[Baam]

Kmart didn't do shit let's not kid ourselves, besides robocop aka Chuckbrook aka "got injured once in my lifetime" is coming back and him and KD an pretty much play 48min.

[MeloHype]

Welp, looks like he's staying :cry

[Texas_Ranger]

Congrats to Matt Bonner. :clap

[timtonymanu]

I wouldn't make assumptions that he's here to stay (could be used in a trade) but paying 4M for a 5th big isn't exactly a good way to "save" money.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't make assumptions that he's here to stay (could be used in a trade) but paying 4M for a 5th big isn't exactly a good way to "save" money.

4 million dollar expiring contract :downspin:


but seriously. seems like a dumb decision on surface level. in a summer where we were primed to make a big addition, wasting 4 million of valuable cap space on a 4th or 5th big isn't exactly taking advantage of that.

[Baam]

He probably wasn't too worried, he knows full well that Pop needs him in his life.

[timtonymanu]

4 million dollar expiring contract :downspin:

Yeah that's the only reason that makes sense in keeping him. Otherwise, that contract is way too expensive if he isn't moved.

[spurraider21]

Yeah that's the only reason that makes sense in keeping him. Otherwise, that contract is way too expensive if he isn't moved.

if a team wanted him for cap relief they'd have taken him prior to this point though

[200 miles]

Congrats to Matt Bonner. :clap

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[CGD]

I'm ok with it if Pop plays him sparingly. Put him and mills together in a package and the spurs can send over 5m in expiring deals in a trade at the Feb deadline if they need to get a peice then. The other option is if the spurs have to do a sign and trade with Splitters new deal and need to include additional salary to make the numbers work they can package his 4M.

[Sean Cagney]

Welp, looks like he's staying :cry

FUCK. That IS ALL!

[DesignatedT]

There's still an amnesty possibility.

[Sean Cagney]

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I agree with you here 100%, yah fucking yeah :(

[Texas_Ranger]

There's still an amnesty possibility.

releasing him was the best option, amnestying him would cost us 3M. We should just face the fact that the Spur are in love with this guy. Paying a 5th big 4M is beyond pathetic.

[99 Problems]

The moment Bertans went down with the ACL did anyone seriously think Pop was going to let go of his 6 10' regular season floor spacing Mamba.


Red Mamba is a champion. Go the real Mamba.

[Spur Bank]

I know many of you like to make of "he spreads the floor," but seriously, a 6'10" forward who shoots .417 from the three for his career (.457, .420, .442 his last three seasons) ... that's VERY valuable. Some of you are so focused on what he can't do that you're forgetting about what he can.

Click the link below, scroll down to "Advanced," then click the ORtg column to sort by the Spurs 2012-2013 roster. See what happens. Learn what ORtg is. Be amazed.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2013.html

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[Russ]

Were there any reports whatsoever that Bonner might be amnestied?

I don't get why people thought that might happen.

[slick'81]

Fck me Fcker gets a raise

[99 Problems]

This forum lacks someone calling themselves PlayLJC

[Sean Cagney]

I know many of you like to make of "he spreads the floor," but seriously, a 6'10" forward who shoots .417 from the three for his career (.457, .420, .442 his last three seasons) ... that's VERY valuable. Some of you are so focused on what he can't do that you're forgetting about what he can.

Click the link below, scroll down to "Advanced," then click the ORtg column to sort by the Spurs 2012-2013 roster. See what happens. Learn what ORtg is. Be amazed.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2013.html

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6yvhgBLnG1qk8zxso1_250.gifYeah thats great, 4 million bro! 4 MILLION for a guy who did not even play in the damn finals! Think about that.

[MeloHype]

This is worse than game 6 !

[spurraider21]

you know, i would be really damn impressed with Holt if they actually did this in order to use the amnesty to save 1 million on the cap :lol. now i know there is (roughly speaking) a negative probability of that happening, but i'm always the optimist

[slick'81]

Bbbbonner

[CGD]

I bet that if there is a deal that is too good to pass up that RC had the greenlight to amnesty him to create 4m in space. Other than that he stays and I'm ok with it. He played a good role in the Lakers and Memphis series. Their bigs had to honor him even if the shots weren't always fallin and his fronting D wasn't half bad. You need him in the west.

[DPG21920]

I believe the plan is wait to see how FA works out. The Spurs probably have their eye on (assuming things for Tiago and Manu go well) some players and if they feel they can get them, they will then amnesty Bonner freeing up the proper cap space. They don't likely want to amnesty/waive him before they know for sure because they still value him overall and/or could also use him as a valuable trade asset (shooter + expiring contract) if FA does not go well.

[Strategic]

Were there any reports whatsoever that Bonner might be amnestied?

I don't get why people thought that might happen.Every year billions of people want the Spurs blown up. I sometimes think this is really a bunch of Mark Cuban fans.

[benefactor]

I believe the plan is wait to see how FA works out. The Spurs probably have their eye on (assuming things for Tiago and Manu go well) some players and if they feel they can get them, they will then amnesty Bonner freeing up the proper cap space. They don't likely want to amnesty/waive him before they know for sure because they still value him overall and/or could also use him as a valuable trade asset (shooter + expiring contract) if FA does not go well.
Makes sense. Remember, they were ready to use the amnesty provision on Jefferson if Butler signed with the Spurs. They could easily do the same with Bonner if a player they like signs with them.

[Bruno]

It's far from sure that Bonner will be here next season. If Spurs are looking to get as much cap space as possible, amnestying is the way to go. An amnesty will free up $1M more in cap space than Spurs having him just cut yesterday.

Using the amnesty clause on Bonner might cost $3M more than having him waived but:
- Spurs and Bonner could have agreed to push the deadline of his guarantee by a couple of weeks to make an amnesty without Spurs having to pay the whole salary possible.
- Even if Bonner Salary is fully guaranteed, an amnesty could cost less than $3M more if a team claim Bonner for a part of his contract.

We will start to have an answer if Bonner being amnestied is a possibility..
If Spurs are going after premium free agents (Al Jefferson, Kirilenko, Millsap, Josh Smith, Iguodala...), it means a Bonner amnesty is possible.
If Spurs are going after free agents projecting to cost less than the MLE, then Bonner likely won't be amnestied.

[timtonymanu]

Thanks for that insight, Bruno.

I'm not good with the financial aspect of basketball.

[SA210]

:lol Bonner

[silverblk mystix]

Just another Pop fuckup - nothing new. The dementia continues....

[szkorhetz]

I hate Bonner, TBH.
But in this PO, he played good D and grabbed contested boards. What else can we want?

[playbonner15]

YEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH :lmao

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[Aggie Hoopsfan]

There better be a better plan in the works here than simply bringing him back.

Four million for a big who can't even get on the floor in the Finals is just stupid.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

There better be a better plan in the works here than simply bringing him back.

Four million for a big who can't even get on the floor in the Finals is just stupid.

[Chomag]

Bonner allready fuking up our offseason...
Why did the Spurs do a draft and stash to save money if they are just turning around and blowing 4 mil on Bonner?

[silverblk mystix]

Pop - the gift that keeps on giving...



:lmao Bonner

[PlayNando]

Bonner = X-Factor 2013/2014

Bonner = Honorary Canadian

Bonner = International Intelligence

[yavozerb]

There better be a better plan in the works here than simply bringing him back.

Four million for a big who can't even get on the floor in the Finals is just stupid.

You people have been planning Bonners departure from the spurs for about 3 seasons now. Time to go get a sub and watch him ride off into the sunset after the 2013-2014 season.

[TheGoldStandard]

There needs to be a stupid enough team who'll take Bonner off our hands for some draft picks or a solid player.

[Leetonidas]

:pctoss

[jermaine]

Fuck all yal. I like Bonner on the team. Just not for extended mins. He's funny to watch playing defense, run, hell everything.

[Budkin]

Stop making these threads. Bonner is going to be a Spur for life. He's like Pop's adopted son.

[Chomag]

So when are we going have the retiring Bonner's jersey up in the rafters ceremony?

[Arc]

bonner is not only going to retire as a spur, he's going to be the future head coach.

now someone post a deal with it matt bonner gif

[Knoxxx]

Bonner dominated Dwight Howard!