Your Starting 5 All-Choke team?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Jose Mesa
Neftali Perez
Manu Ginobili
Chris Webber
Scott Norwood

Coach: Bud Grant

[lefty]

Tony Parker
Manu
Lionel Messi
Karl Malone
David Robinson

Coach : Pop

[LethalLebron]

Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone and Chris Webber should be automatic.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Tony Parker
Manu
Lionel Messi
Karl Malone
David Robinson

Coach : Pop
Damn, good drop:tu

[irishock]

2004 New York Yankees roster

[HI-FI]

Tony Parker
Manu
Lionel Messi
Karl Malone
David Robinson
:lol
Harlem was right, you've been on fire lately. your cleric has taught you well my young padawan.


serious though, doesn't that elevate Tim Duncan to top 5 status, considering he's never had a reliable second option. We basically surround him with a PG with extreme tunnel vision and a Argentinian who plays likes he's on coke, even at age 35.

[Sean Cagney]

Karl Malone and GP TBH with LA in 04 up there too!

KRIBYS 38% shooting in two finals as well! DAMN! WTF?

[DeadlyDynasty]

You could substitute Nelson Cruz for Perez cause of his matador outfield play, but Perez kept serving up meatballs to power hitters

[irishock]

You could substitute Nelson Cruz for Perez cause of his matador outfield play, but Perez kept serving up meatballs to power hitters

Nelson Cruz finished us in 2011, though.

[HI-FI]

You could substitute Nelson Cruz for Perez cause of his matador outfield play, but Perez kept serving up meatballs to power hitters
btw whats with your Ben Gazarra tribute? is it because of Buffalo 66 and you wish you could shoot the Scott Norwood character while that badass Yes song plays in the background?

[ElNono]

Steve Nash
Latrell Sprewell
Chris Webber
Patrick Ewing
Karl Malone

[DeadlyDynasty]

btw whats with your Ben Gazarra tribute? is it because of Buffalo 66 and you wish you could shoot the Scott Norwood character while that badass Yes song plays in the background?
Probably the only thing I like from Gallo. Roadhouse was on a few weeks ago, and Brad Wesley's a badass

[midnightpulp]

I'm still agitated at Manu, but the '05 Finals gets him off the list. So does the '04 Olympics.

My all-time choke team:

Calvin Schilradi (how lucky is this asshole that Buckner became the scapegoat? Schilradi lost both game 6 and 7 of the '86 World Series).
Neftali Perez
Chris Webber
Leon Durham
Greg Norman

6th man: Josh Howard

Coach: Grady Little.

[baseline bum]

Tony Romo
Joe Table
Chris Webber
Karl Malone
Wes Welker

Coach: Pringles

[ElNono]

I might need to adjust my list to include Earnest Byner somewhere there...

[MeloHype]

Peyton Manning

[lefty]

I'm still agitated at Manu, but the '05 Finals gets him off the list. So does the '04 Olympics.

My all-time choke team:

Calvin Schilradi (how lucky is this asshole that Buckner became the scapegoat? Schilradi lost both game 6 and 7 of the '86 World Series).
Neftali Perez
Chris Webber
Leon Durham
Greg Norman

6th man: Josh Howard

Coach: Grady Little.
Damn I forgot about his 2006 brainfart :lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

Damn, horrible Romo omission on my part...dude is the Team Captain.

[HI-FI]

Probably the only thing I like from Gallo. Roadhouse was on a few weeks ago, and Brad Wesley's a badass
i haven't seen brown bunny, been meaning to, but I like Gallo. I own a CD of his too, pretty good. I even enjoy his political views, but he's one of those people you can only handle in small doses.


as for Manu on this list, it's sort of like the Bill Buckner situation. Very good and decorated player, but what a way to fuck it all up. Buckner was never the champion like Manu, but his mistake was like one key moment. Manu's was something that was building and building until it erupted like diarrhea in game 6. then in game 7 he got it under control, until firing off a few more squirts at the end.

[baseline bum]

i haven't seen brown bunny, been meaning to, but I like Gallo. I own a CD of his too, pretty good. I even enjoy his political views, but he's one of those people you can only handle in small doses.


as for Manu on this list, it's sort of like the Bill Buckner situation. Very good and decorated player, but what a way to fuck it all up. Buckner was never the champion like Manu, but his mistake was like one key moment. Manu's was something that was building and building until it erupted like diarrhea in game 6. then in game 7 he got it under control, until firing off a few more squirts at the end.

Manu in Game 6 was the equivalent of a Buckner every inning tbh.

[baseline bum]

Damn, horrible Romo omission on my part...dude is the Team Captain.

Nigga's my franchise point.

[spurraider21]

Argentinian who plays likes he's on coke, even at age 35.
:lol nice description. best one i've heard so far was "100 mph bumper car offense"

[spurraider21]

Kobe has missed more game winners than anybody in NBA history, reg season and playoffs, so i think he qualifies for sure

[MeloHype]

Kobe has missed more game winners than anybody in NBA history, reg season and playoffs, so i think he qualifies for sure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH6ERLyiVXw

[midnightpulp]

Lest we forget:

Nick Anderson

"Anderson stepped to the line with 11 seconds left and the Magic up three. He missed both free throws, but got his rebound and was fouled again. He missed those, too. Houston ended up tying the game and winning in overtime."

:lol That's magnitudes worse than 28 seconds (but since it was only game 1, it would hold the same legendary mystique as 28 seconds). How do you miss 4 straight FTs?

[Venti Quattro]

The entire NYY roster in the 2004 ALCS

[lefty]

:lol And Nick was a shooting guard :lol

[lefty]

Another that choked a 3-0 series lead :


NHL EC semis : the Boston Bruins had a 3-0 series lead vs the Philadelphia Flyers

The Flyers forced a game 7

Game 7 was played in Boston; the Bruins had 3-0 lead in that game


Lost the game 4-3 and the series :lol

LnGrrrR :lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

Lest we forget:

Nick Anderson

"Anderson stepped to the line with 11 seconds left and the Magic up three. He missed both free throws, but got his rebound and was fouled again. He missed those, too. Houston ended up tying the game and winning in overtime."

:lol That's magnitudes worse than 28 seconds (but since it was only game 1, it would hold the same legendary mystique as 28 seconds). How do you miss 4 straight FTs?
Quick trivia question (don't google it): Who sank the tying 3 to force OT?

[lefty]

Quick trivia question (don't google it): Who sank the tying 3 to force OT?
Kenny !

[midnightpulp]

Quick trivia question (don't google it): Who sank the tying 3 to force OT?

The Jet, I believe.

I don't remember that series too well since I tuned out everything that had to with basketball after Hakeem annihilated David Robinson.

[baseline bum]

Quick trivia question (don't google it): Who sank the tying 3 to force OT?

Kenny Smith

[DeadlyDynasty]

lefty with the ninja goods

[Quadzilla99]

Quick trivia question (don't google it): Who sank the tying 3 to force OT?

Kenny Smith?

[baseline bum]

LOL @ Orlando's response to the Nick Anderson game.

Not sure if he deserves to start at SG over Joe Table on my team though; though call.

[Venti Quattro]

John Starks and Reggie Miller are knocking on the door...

[DeadlyDynasty]

Some more honorable mentions:

Alex Gonzalez (former Cubs SS)
Brian Sipe
Gary Andersen
Brett Favre

[midnightpulp]

Some more honorable mentions:

Alex Gonzalez (former Cubs SS)
Brian Sipe
Gary Andersen
Brett Favre

Honorable mention coach: Bill Callahan

:lol Changes the Raiders smash mouth gameplan for the '02 Superbowl a day before game, telling the team they're going to throw it 60 times against the best pass defense in the league, coached by the guy who knows that offense inside and out.

If you haven't seen it, check this out:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tATko6otFwU

[DeadlyDynasty]

I've seen that...seems almost Boutons-ish, but I wouldn't doubt that it was Callahan's gameplan change that sent Barret Robbins into panic

[DeadlyDynasty]

Of course, Robbins was already a little fucked in the head. Anybody remember the name of that Bengals RB who smoked crack and didn't show up to the SB?:lol

[midnightpulp]

I've seen that...seems almost Boutons-ish, but I wouldn't doubt that it was Callahan's gameplan change that sent Barret Robbins into panic

When I first saw it, I thought it might've been a case of Tim Brown having a case of sour grapes, but then when Jerry Rice corroborated his testimonial, I believed.

I don't think it was Callahan's intention to hand "his friend" Jon Gruden a ring and spite the Raiders, but a case of him being an idiot. I'm no football expert like most on the forum, but even I knew it was a retarded idea to throw 60 times against one of the greatest pass defenses ever, against the coach who built the offense and mentored Rich Gannon.

[ElNono]

Coach Avery in 2007 has to sneak in there somewhere...

[Landon Donofag]

David Carradine

[DeadlyDynasty]

^:lmao

[TDMVPDPOY]

parker needs to be on that fkn lists, same fkn shit from day 1, chuck a big wing defender and he disappears...

this time he had no backup pg to bail him out as usual...

[baseline bum]

What about Himmler?

[JoeTait75]

I might need to adjust my list to include Earnest Byner somewhere there...

Byner actually played really well that day (187 total yards, 2 touchdowns.) He just didn't take very good care of the football as a general rule. He cost the Browns a game against the Colts earlier that season with a fumble inside the five-yard line.

[JoeTait75]

Of course, Robbins was already a little fucked in the head. Anybody remember the name of that Bengals RB who smoked crack and didn't show up to the SB?:lol

Stanley Wilson.

[AchillesHeel]

I'll go by positions

Magic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ1bd2g3p1Y
Achilles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y5jwt0brqk
Lebron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kKxtSQa-4
Malone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e03kAurk32k
Ewing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq3nvSyuWEg

coach: Pop

[Michael Jordan.]

Sorry fellas, but CP3 should be starting at PG for all of your teams. Deferring to Janero Pargo :lol

[LnGrrrR]

Another that choked a 3-0 series lead :


NHL EC semis : the Boston Bruins had a 3-0 series lead vs the Philadelphia Flyers

The Flyers forced a game 7

Game 7 was played in Boston; the Bruins had 3-0 lead in that game


Lost the game 4-3 and the series :lol

LnGrrrR (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14319) :lol

We got revenge the next year! :cry :cry

[Koolaid_Man]

Tony Parker
Manu
Lionel Messi
Karl Malone
David Robinson

Coach : Pop


anyone that could actually put Tony Parker...and Pop on this type of list really shouldn't ANY or ANTY (as old fat black women like to say) credibility. You were borderline before now you're just full on shit eating retard....

[StrengthAndHonor]

John Starks (94 NBA Finals Game 7 2/18 FGA)
Tracy McGrady (Up 3-1, Detroit Series)
KG (I know he rang, but he was a perennial choker in Minny)
Webber
ZBO (yep, 2013 series against Spurs)


Coach: George Karl ( 8th seed Denver upsets 1st Seed SuperSonics)

HM:
Nick Anderson
Karl Malone
Steve Nash

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Jose Mesa
Neftali Perez
Manu Ginobili
Chris Webber
Scott Norwood

Coach: Bud Grant
What's funny is that TP and Manu have been more clutch and made more clutch shots than Kobe ever has in his career.

[TDMVPDPOY]

What's funny is that TP and Manu have been more clutch and made more clutch shots than Kobe ever has in his career.

clutch as in disappearing? or costing spurs rings and games due to last possession bullshit?

[Will Hunting]

Wes Welker deserves a mention fucksticks

[rascal]

Manu in Game 6 was the equivalent of a Buckner every inning tbh.

Buckner has to be on this list. He cost his team a title on an easy play- classic key choke.

[rascal]

What's funny is that TP and Manu have been more clutch and made more clutch shots than Kobe ever has in his career.

Hardly. Kobe closed out the spurs in many playoffs (3- peat).

[rascal]

Norwood
Manu
Buckner
Webber
N. Perez

All cost their team titles.

[JoeTait75]

Buckner has to be on this list. He cost his team a title on an easy play- classic key choke.

Calvin Shiraldi lost that game a lot more than Buckner did, tbh. The game was already tied when Buckner committed the error.

Actually, Buckner shouldn't have been in there in the first place. Normally Dave Stapleton replaced Buckner for defensive purposes in those situations, but John MacNamara left him in so he could celebrate the WS victory on the field.

[Agloco]

Jose Mesa
Neftali Perez
Manu Ginobili
Chris Webber
Scott Norwood

Coach: Bud Grant

Meh, Ginobili was never favored in this race tbh. Point taken on most of the others. How bout that golfer who choked away some 6 strokes on the last hole(s) of a major? Forgot his name.

Or are you talking "real" sports only?

[Killakobe81]

I'm still agitated at Manu, but the '05 Finals gets him off the list. So does the '04 Olympics.

My all-time choke team:

Calvin Schilradi (how lucky is this asshole that Buckner became the scapegoat? Schilradi lost both game 6 and 7 of the '86 World Series).
Neftali Perez
Chris Webber
Leon Durham
Greg Norman

6th man: Josh Howard

Coach: Grady Little.

What a good fucken list, Mid. Great all around sports knowledge.

[baseline bum]

What's unbelievable to me is that fucking Schiraldi had the balls to complain about Buckner to the media when Schiraldi was the whole reason the game was tied with runners in scoring position when that ball came to Buckner.

[ElNono]

Byner actually played really well that day (187 total yards, 2 touchdowns.) He just didn't take very good care of the football as a general rule. He cost the Browns a game against the Colts earlier that season with a fumble inside the five-yard line.

That's actually what I was referring to... The Fumble

[djohn2oo8]

Matt Schaub
Tracy McGrady
Karl Malone
Chris Webber
Tony Romo

Honorable Mention: Brad Lidge

[JoeTait75]

That's actually what I was referring to... The Fumble

Sure. Just saying he was known as a fumbler well before The Fumble.

See to me "choking" is performing differently than you normally would because of the pressure of the moment. In Byner's case I don't think he fumbled because of the pressure of the moment- he fumbled because he didn't take good care of the football as a general rule. If anything Byner elevated his game in clutch situations.

I'm nitpicking, I know.

[baseline bum]

Wow, how did I forget Starks? Gets the title winning shot blocked in Game 6 at the buzzer and then shoots about 4% in Game 7.

Damn, on further consideration that's exactly what happened with Danny Green, so I guess put him on my team too. :depressed

[monosylab1k]

:lol Neftali Perez.

His last name isn't Perez, it's Feliz.

[monosylab1k]

Patrick Ewing
Greg Norman
Tony Romo
Wes Welker
ARod

coach - Marty Schottenheimer

[Suspect]

Tony Parker
Tim Duncan
Manu Turnobili
K.Leonard
Danny Green

Coach- Pop

[DeadlyDynasty]

:lol Neftali Perez.His last name isn't Perez, it's Feliz.close enough

[Clipper Nation]

Tony Romo
Manu Ginobili
Kirby Bryant
Jean Van de Velde
Karl Malone

Bench: Nate Kaeding, Felix Rodriguez, Calvin Schiraldi, Rahim Moore
Coach: Marty Schottenheimer

[baseline bum]

Tony Parker
Tim Duncan
Manu Turnobili
K.Leonard
Danny Green

Coach- Pop

:cry too soon :cry

Also, where's Splitter?

[Agloco]

Meh, Ginobili was never favored in this race tbh. Point taken on most of the others. How bout that golfer who choked away some 6 strokes on the last hole(s) of a major? Forgot his name.

Or are you talking "real" sports only?


Tony Romo
Manu Ginobili
Kirby Bryant
Jean Van de Velde
Karl Malone

Bench: Nate Kaeding, Felix Rodriguez, Calvin Schiraldi, Rahim Moore
Coach: Marty Schottenheimer

I believe I found him......

[Leon Black]

Easy..... the 5 scrubs on the floor for SA at the end of game 6 of the finals :lol

[MeloHype]

Jason "i choke on dicks" Collins

[da_suns_fan]

Shows the youth of most posters that no one mentions Nick Anderson or John Starks.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Shows the youth of most posters that no one mentions Nick Anderson or John Starks.


Lest we forget:

Nick Anderson

"Anderson stepped to the line with 11 seconds left and the Magic up three. He missed both free throws, but got his rebound and was fouled again. He missed those, too. Houston ended up tying the game and winning in overtime."

:lol That's magnitudes worse than 28 seconds (but since it was only game 1, it would hold the same legendary mystique as 28 seconds). How do you miss 4 straight FTs?


:lol And Nick was a shooting guard :lol


LOL @ Orlando's response to the Nick Anderson game.

Not sure if he deserves to start at SG over Joe Table on my team though; though call.


John Starks and Reggie Miller are knocking on the door...


John Starks (94 NBA Finals Game 7 2/18 FGA)
Tracy McGrady (Up 3-1, Detroit Series)
KG (I know he rang, but he was a perennial choker in Minny)
Webber
ZBO (yep, 2013 series against Spurs)


Coach: George Karl ( 8th seed Denver upsets 1st Seed SuperSonics)

HM:
Nick Anderson
Karl Malone
Steve Nash


Wow, how did I forget Starks? Gets the title winning shot blocked in Game 6 at the buzzer and then shoots about 4% in Game 7.

Damn, on further consideration that's exactly what happened with Danny Green, so I guess put him on my team too. :depressed

[lefty]

What about that faggot wearing 81 for the Pats during the 2008 Superbowl ?

Big scary eyes dropping easy receptions :lol

[Venti Quattro]

An all-time Lakers choke team:

Magic Johnson
Kobe Bryant
James Worthy
Pau Gasol
Wilt Chamberlain

I could've put Elg at the SF position, but Big Game will never be forgiven for that stupid pass in 1984.

[lefty]

An all-time Lakers choke team:

Magic Johnson
Kobe Bryant
James Worthy
Pau Gasol
Wilt Chamberlain

I could've put Elg at the SF position, but Big Game will never be forgiven for that stupid pass in 1984.
But Goggles redeemed himself with a triple double in game 7 vs Detroit

Yeah I know, Isiah barely played in that game, but it's still a fuckn triple double in the championship game

[TDMVPDPOY]

if you guys want to know ginobolis career is like, watch one turnover play and loop that shit on replay till you get bored watching it....

[BatManu20]

Michael Jordan
Tom Brady
Reggie Jackson
Joe Montana
Adam Vinatieri
Robert Horry
Derek Jeter

[Rogue]

What about Himmler?
Himmler was never given the control of an army group of anything that could've made one a choker, he basically had nothing to choke, just a dick licker of the Fuhrer who didn't know more about military or policis than a 8th grader did. The title of "chocker" better suits those generals who dithered over military actions during the sieges of Stalingrad and Leningrad, while letting the chances pass by and freezing their own soldiers to death.

Paulus might be the worst of them all. He nearly obliterated that city with bombers & canons which destroyed all buildings and roads and turned the whole shit into an urban warfare the Germans had no business of winning. When he was under siege by Soviet troops after the failed attempt to occupy Stalingrad, Manstein came to his rescue and created him a chance for breakout, but he remained inactive like a pussy and finally had to surrender to the red army. Idiots like Paulus, and the lack of good ones like Manstein were one of the main reasons why Germans lost the war imho.

[boga]

bo mccalebb
romain sato
bojan bogdanovic
mike batiste
david andersen

[J.T.]

Peyton Manning

This. Love the guy to death and some of my best sports memories are with him under center for the Colts, but dude is the undisputed king of "one and done" in sports. The fact that his one Super Bowl ring was essentially a gift from his defense just puts salt in the wound. He was pretty clutch in the 2nd half of the AFC Championship against the Pats that year, but you don't rally from 18 down without excellent defense, plus Manning was directly responsible for 7 of those 18 points. At this point it's been six years since that game and I'm convinced anybody beats Rex Grossman in rainy Miami that day.

[LkrFan]

Steve Nash
Latrell Sprewell
Chris Webber
Patrick Ewing
Karl Malone

Well played sir. :lol

[LkrFan]

This. Love the guy to death and some of my best sports memories are with him under center for the Colts, but dude is the undisputed king of "one and done" in sports. The fact that his one Super Bowl ring was essentially a gift from his defense just puts salt in the wound. He was pretty clutch in the 2nd half of the AFC Championship against the Pats that year, but you don't rally from 18 down without excellent defense, plus Manning was directly responsible for 7 of those 18 points. At this point it's been six years since that game and I'm convinced anybody beats Rex Grossman in rainy Miami that day.
Dirk says hi tbh. I seent him go one and done too. :lol

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Dirk says hi tbh. I seent him go one and done too. :lol

Peyton didn't QUIT after his first. He choked, but never quit :lol

[AchillesHeel]

NFL all-choke team

Romo
Vanderchoke
Hasselbeck
Peyton Manning
Favre

[J.T.]

Peyton didn't QUIT after his first. He choked, but never quit :lol

This too. For all of Peyton's choking, dude came to ball every time and if not for the neck thing would've been a stone cold lock to bring down Favre's iron man consecutive games started record. Most of Peyton's losing has been teammates letting him down or his defense allowing too many points. That pick against the Saints though...man...just slightly worse than :28 in my book

[MeloHype]

This too. For all of Peyton's choking, dude came to ball every time and if not for the neck thing would've been a stone cold lock to bring down Favre's iron man consecutive games started record. Most of Peyton's losing has been teammates letting him down or his defense allowing too many points. That pick against the Saints though...man...just slightly worse than :28 in my book
That pick against the Saints was my favorite

[J.T.]

That pick against the Saints was my favorite

Yeah I mean, if you don't like Peyton that's probably the signature moment tbh.

[MeloHype]

Yeah I mean, if you don't like Peyton that's probably the signature moment tbh.
I like the Saints. I felt bad for Peyton though

[J.T.]

I like the Saints. I felt bad for Peyton though

:lmao if you're a Saints fan that's probably your #1 all time in-game moment lol

[Ashy Larry]

PG - Parker
SG - Ginobili
SF - Green
PF - Leonard
C - Diaw

[MeloHype]

:lmao if you're a Saints fan that's probably your #1 all time in-game moment lol
Why wouldn't it be my number 1 moment? That got us the W

[Brazil]

Jean van de Velde should be on top on every damn list tbh dude just needed a double bogey at the 18th :lmao

[Brazil]

You can make a case to have a full French list tbh

Jean van de Velde
France soccer team 1982 leading 3 / 1 in OT loosing to the penalties
France rugby team 1999 destorying the all blacks to loose againts Australia in finale
Poulidor
France soccer team 2006

[DeadlyDynasty]

You can make a case to have a full French list tbh

Jean van de Velde
France soccer team 1982 leading 3 / 1 in OT loosing to the penalties
France rugby team 1999 destorying the all blacks to loose againts Australia in finale
Poulidor
France soccer team 2006
France in WWII

[DeadlyDynasty]

Jean van de Velde should be on top on every damn list tbh dude just needed a double bogey at the 18th :lmao
He just had to pull out the driver on 18...

[Brazil]

France in WWII

that's not a choke tbh we had no chance at all to begin with

[Brazil]

He just had to pull out the driver on 18...

the stupidest decision ever made by a professional athlete. Jvdv is the GOAT of the choke and it's not even close.... and of course he is French... we never can catch a break tbh

[The Gemini Method]

Donnie Moore

[baseline bum]

that's not a choke tbh we had no chance at all to begin with

You guys had Prime Maginot Line, but unfortunately didn't gameplan for Prime Ardennes.

[JoeTait75]

Olympian chokers:

- Mary Decker

- Dan Jansen

- Dan & Dave:

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[JoeTait75]

All-Cleveland list:

- Marty Schottenheimer

- Jose Mesa

- Dennis Northcutt (dropped the game-clinching first-down pass in the '02 playoffs vs. Pittsburgh)

- 2005 & '07 Indians (imploded in the final week to blow a near-certain playoff spot in '05; blew the 3-1 lead against Boston in the '07 ALCS)

- Brian Sipe

[Brazil]

You guys had Prime Maginot Line, but unfortunately didn't gameplan for Prime Ardennes.

:lol

[baseline bum]

All-Cleveland list:

- Marty Schottenheimer

- Jose Mesa

- Dennis Northcutt (dropped the game-clinching first-down pass in the '02 playoffs vs. Pittsburgh)

- 2005 & '07 Indians (imploded in the final week to blow a near-certain playoff spot in '05; blew the 3-1 lead against Boston in the '07 ALCS)

- Brian Sipe

No Mo Williams?

[JoeTait75]

No Mo Williams?

Yeah, he should be there instead of Sipe, tbh.

[sexinthatsx]

Wouldn't it be counter-intuitive to put players on your choke list who actually has rings? How about putting players that have no rings instead?

[lefty]

2002 Milwaukee Bucks :lol

2000 Blazers
2001 post all-star break Blazers