Numbers Show LeBron James Will Never Be Michael Jordan

[AchillesHeel]

http://www.businessinsider.com/numbers-show-lebron-james-will-never-be-michael-jordan-2013-6
http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/51c36f3969bedde278000000-618-441/1-1556.jpg

[Ashy Larry]

Mike had a presence about him ........ will always be in the discussion for the GOAT. At least one of the top 2 spots will have his name.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Agree. Mike was a different animal. His charisma is off the charts. I lived in DC for 2 yrs and luckily was able to see Jordan during his Wizards days. There's just something about the way he plays that captivates people. Every move was like a highlight reel. I saw the game against Toronto and the younger Vince who was In his prime was guarding him. Jordan did a pump fake and VC fell for it and he lost balance and Mike made the shot. I'm telling you the whole crowd went nuts. Its like he made a freaking buzzer beater. :lol

[jeebus]

Jordan was must see tv. Lebeta is :sleep tv.

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Jordan was must see tv. Lebeta is :sleep tv.

Wouldn't that be Timmy Duncan? That choke was exciting though.

[baseline bum]

Agree. Mike was a different animal. His charisma is off the charts. I lived in DC for 2 yrs and luckily was able to see Jordan during his Wizards days. There's just something about the way he plays that captivates people. Every move was like a highlight reel. I saw the game against Toronto and the younger Vince who was In his prime was guarding him. Jordan did a pump fake and VC fell for it and he lost balance and Mike made the shot. I'm telling you the whole crowd went nuts. Its like he made a freaking buzzer beater. :lol

I remember seeing him live the year he averaged 37.1 PPG. Spurs would throw three guys on him and he'd still run right down the middle of the lane and dunk on their bigs. And this is with Alvin Robertson as his primary defender (think an angrier, faster, more athletic version of prime Artest; would have been a legendary defender if he wasn't such a criminal).

[Thread]

James still has an open invitation. He'd start with the 3 peat. That would garner him a foothold. From there it would be a long & arduous journey. & frankly I wouldn't mind it. He'll (continue) to function as the Bulls functioned for me:::as an Eastern roadblock for mine enemies.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I remember seeing him live the year he averaged 37.1 PPG. Spurs would throw three guys on him and he'd still run right down the middle of the lane and dunk on their bigs. And this is with Alvin Robertson as his primary defender (think an angrier, faster, more athletic Artest; would have been a legendary defender if he wasn't such a criminal).

Man, you a lucky dog. I'm sure prime MJ was out of this world.

[baseline bum]

Man, you a lucky dog. I'm sure prime MJ was out of this world.

Yeah, only player I have ever seen who was anything like Prime Jordan was Prime Wade. But Prime Jordan was bigger, stronger, and more athletic than Prime Wade, so a significantly better player. And Prime Wade was ridiculous.

[Thread]

I still remember him in D.C.. I mean you have to retain that memory between your ears because Stern outlawed any actual video of it.

tee, hee.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Yeah, only player I have ever seen who was anything like Prime Jordan was Prime Wade. But Prime Jordan was bigger, stronger, and more athletic than Prime Wade, so a significantly better player. And Prime Wade was ridiculous.
So funny, I was actually going to say the EXACT same thing. But I figured I'd get flamed for bringing up Wade in a Jordan conversation :lol,so I skipped and edited. But you're right, Wade was similar in a lot of ways to MJ. Ive seen Vince, Kobe, Grant Hill live, players were compared to Jordan and none of them stacked up. But when I saw prime Wade, it honestly reminded me of MJ though a bit shorter.

[AchillesHeel]

I still remember him in D.C.. I mean you have to retain that memory between your ears because Stern outlawed any actual video of it.

tee, hee.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-0ghhY7uw

[jeebus]

I remember seeing him live the year he averaged 37.1 PPG. Spurs would throw three guys on him and he'd still run right down the middle of the lane and dunk on their bigs. And this is with Alvin Robertson as his primary defender (think an angrier, faster, more athletic version of prime Artest; would have been a legendary defender if he wasn't such a criminal).

Meanwhile Beta is frightened of R:loly Hibbert

[cesare borgia]

Y all don't think the advancement of entertainments, like Internet,Video Games(especially online play)etc, has nothing to do with it. I just think that this era of entertainment is competitive in these days, then Jordan era.

[LakerHater]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHUU3R_Im08

[Bynumite]

Mike shooting fadeaways with 2 hands in his face and air walking is must see TV. Not Lebeta travelling, flopping and bricking open jumpers.

[AchillesHeel]

Y all don't think the advancement of entertainments, like Internet,Video Games(especially online play)etc, has nothing to do with it. I just think that this era of entertainment is competitive in these days, then Jordan era.

Nope. Just that Lebron doesn't draw an audience as big as Michael did. Do you think the 10mil+ viewer difference comes from NBA league pass? People that watch games on the internet are usually international fans, that wouldn't affect the statistic anyways. And video games affecting viewership? I think NBA games have actually drawn more people to the game, especially the younger generation, which means additional viewership.

NBA games are still nationally televised, most people that followed the NBA during the 90s (and are alive, and have the opportunity to watch) still follow it today, Michael was just more popular. If someone did a survey around the world and asked everyone to name their favorite all-time player, MJ would win by default.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Jordan played in an era where you had to watch the game live and you didn't have access to elaborate notes, and you didn't have PVR, Youtube, torrents, forums, Twitter, etc..

:lol haters have to reach now, they don't have anything left to stand on, tbh..

[gaKNOW!blee]

Lebeta would actually be a really funny nickname if it was in any way true lol

[Bynumite]

Lebeta would actually be a really funny nickname if it was in any way true lol

It was true until the end of game 6 when Pop shit the bed and gifted Lebeta a dream game 7 with multiple open looks.

[gaKNOW!blee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-0ghhY7uw

:lol he did it with 4:00 left in the game. Very impressive. Not many FT's either

[AchillesHeel]

:lol Jordan played in an era where you had to watch the game live and you didn't have access to elaborate notes, and you didn't have PVR, Youtube, torrents, forums, Twitter, etc..

:lol haters have to reach now, they don't have anything left to stand on, tbh..

lol, yet Lebron's viewership has declined since the 2011 Finals.

and Lakers vs Celtics game 7 drew in 28.2 million viewers

[Bynumite]

:lol Jordan played in an era where you had to watch the game live and you didn't have access to elaborate notes, and you didn't have PVR, Youtube, torrents, forums, Twitter, etc..

:lol haters have to reach now, they don't have anything left to stand on, tbh..

Lakers-Celtics also had better ratings than any Finals Lebeta played, so your 90's TV argument is invalid son.

People don't want to constantly look at Lebeta's old man face and haircut, fact.

[HarlemHeat37]

LA is the 2nd largest market in the US, Chicago is 3rd, tbh..

Miami is 16th..

Ratings were higher in every sport prior to our era, but the market obviously makes a difference, too..

[AchillesHeel]

Lakers-Celtics also had better ratings than any Finals Lebeta played, so your 90's TV argument is invalid son.

People don't want to constantly look at Lebeta's old man face and haircut, fact.

And watching him take wide open jumpers with Mike Breen yelling BANG every time is no fun, either.

[AchillesHeel]

LA is the 2nd largest market in the US, Chicago is 3rd, tbh..

Miami is 16th..

Ratings were higher in every sport prior to our era, but the market obviously makes a difference, too..

http://www.thejobpyramid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Stop-Making-Excuses1.jpg

[ElNono]

LA is the 2nd largest market in the US, Chicago is 3rd, tbh..

Miami is 16th..

Ratings were higher in every sport prior to our era, but the market obviously makes a difference, too..

sup Harlem, how are you enjoying your time off the board, tbh? :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

AchileesHeel's predictions and takes have been atrocious since joining the board, tbh:lol..

Lakers-Celtics 2010 TV Ratings: 10.6
Lakers-Celtics 2008 TV Ratings: 9.3
Lakers-Magic 2009 TV Ratings: 8.4

Lakers-Pistons 1989: 15.1
Lakers-Pistons 1988: 15.4
Lakers-Celtics 1987: 15.9

Ya, you get the point, tbh:lol..

And even the Rockets-Magic in 1995 drew a 13 rating, higher than any Lakers series in the 2000s, which speaks volumes for my argument:lol..

[HarlemHeat37]

sup Harlem, how are you enjoying your time off the board, tbh? :lol

:lol it's my last day today, tbh..

[BatManu20]

I don't ever remember MJ having to rely on role players to bail him out in the NBA Finals. Ray Allen saved Lebron's "legacy." MJ created his.

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I don't ever remember MJ having to rely on role players to bail him out in the NBA Finals. Ray Allen saved Lebron's "legacy." MJ created his.

The Suns had him on the line 20 years ago this month & Paxson bailed him out.

[gaKNOW!blee]

I don't ever remember MJ having to rely on role players to bail him out in the NBA Finals. Ray Allen saved Lebron's "legacy." MJ created his.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/features/moment-1993-paxson-threepeat/paxson-shot-inline.jpg

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-sports-media-watch/files/2013/01/Steve-Kerr-chicago-bulls-624x553.jpg

[AchillesHeel]

AchileesHeel's predictions and takes have been atrocious since joining the board, tbh:lol..

Lakers-Celtics 2010 TV Ratings: 10.6
Lakers-Celtics 2008 TV Ratings: 9.3
Lakers-Magic 2009 TV Ratings: 8.4

Lakers-Pistons 1989: 15.1
Lakers-Pistons 1988: 15.4
Lakers-Celtics 1987: 15.9

Ya, you get the point, tbh:lol..

And even the Rockets-Magic in 1995 drew a 13 rating, higher than any Lakers series in the 2000s, which speaks volumes for my argument:lol..

And what do the Lakers have anything to do with this topic? This is about ratings during Lebron's era vs MJ's. Obviously, when MJ was dominating the NBA Finals were much more popular, more people tuned in to see Michael make history instead of Lebron being bailed out by his teammates.

And fyi, the 2013 Finals had worse ratings than the 2010 Finals.

You're proving my point, NBA has gotten less popular since MJ retired.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Jordan went 5-19 from the field against Seattle in game 7 of the '96 Finals, but sure, he never needed his teammates..

[HarlemHeat37]

And what do the Lakers have anything to do with this topic? This is about ratings during Lebron's era vs MJ's. Obviously, when MJ was dominating the NBA Finals were much more popular, more people tuned in to see Michael make history instead of Lebron being bailed out by his teammates.

And fyi, the 2013 Finals had worse ratings than the 2010 Finals.

You're proving my point, NBA has gotten less popular since MJ retired.

The other poster cited the Lakers as an example of a team that still draws ratings in today's league..as I proved, ratings in today's sports, not just the NBA, are lower due to the various outlets to stay updated on sports, tbh..

The NBA drew higher ratings than today even when Jordan retired for 2 years:lol..

[AchillesHeel]

Harlem, I know you're a huge Lebron fan and I know how much it kills you that Michael Jordan ever existed. Your boy Bron will always be in his shadow, just like Achilles.

[AchillesHeel]

:lol Jordan went 5-19 from the field against Seattle in game 7 of the '96 Finals, but sure, he never needed his teammates..

Jordan never allowed a Game 7 in the NBA Finals.

[HarlemHeat37]

Game 6*..

Jordan shot 5-19 in the close-out game against Seattle after the Bulls blew a 3-0 series lead and needed his teammates to bail him out, tbh..

[timtonymanu]

I'm pretty sure Harlem acknowledged that LeBron will never be better than MJ.

[AchillesHeel]

I'm pretty sure Harlem acknowledged that LeBron will never be better than MJ.

Then why is he so insecure about Lebron being in MJ's shadow? Why does he get so riled up about ratings? Why does he have to point out MJ shooting 5-19 if he's fine with Lebron never being the GOAT?

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't think Lebron's career will equal Jordan and I don't think he can sustain greatness for as long as Jordan did, but I would take 2012 and 2013 Lebron over any 2-year period from Jordan, tbh..

Lebron had much more responsibility on his team than Jordan did during his title years, tbh..

I pointed out 5-19 because Batmanu said Jordan never needed a bailout, tbh..

[BatManu20]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/features/moment-1993-paxson-threepeat/paxson-shot-inline.jpg

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-sports-media-watch/files/2013/01/Steve-Kerr-chicago-bulls-624x553.jpg


Yea those aren't bail outs.. Jordan was double-teamed by Utah so he hit the wide open man (Kerr) for a jump shot, and Paxson's shot came off an out of bounds play after a time out. It wasn't after MJ turned the ball over two straight times in the last minute like Lebron.. Phoenix didn't choke away that game with missed FT's and giving offensive rebounds.

The only reason I say this is because I think it's funny how one Ray Allen prayer essentially saved Lebron's "legacy" that everyone likes to talk about. If Spurs don't royally choke, Lebron is suddenly 1-3 in the Finals and is known as a choker. But Ray Ray hits that prayer and suddenly Lebron is arguably better than MJ, a man who went 6-0 in the NBA Finals and didn't rely on prayers to win them. Just sayin. It's all overindulgence by the fans & media anyways. People are too easily manipulated and influenced by talking heads. It's almost laughable.

[MeloHype]

Fucking homers, Lebum will never better than the GOAT

[Thread]

Fucking homers, Lebum will never better than the GOAT

But, he has the opportunity.

[Bill_Brasky]

The Suns had him on the line 20 years ago this month & Paxson bailed him out.

Yup.

Dad killer won nothing sans Pippen.

[AchillesHeel]

I don't think Lebron's career will equal Jordan and I don't think he can sustain greatness for as long as Jordan did, but I would take 2012 and 2013 Lebron over any 2-year period from Jordan, tbh..

Lebron had much more responsibility on his team than Jordan did during his title years, tbh..

I pointed out 5-19 because Batmanu said Jordan never needed a bailout, tbh..

Michael Jordan: Playoffs Per Game (1990-91 to 1991-92)


From
To
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


1991
1992
39
39
41.3
12.5
24.5
.509
0.7
1.8
.386
7.4
8.6
.852
1.4
4.9
6.3
6.9
2.2
1.0
3.2
2.9
33.0



LeBron James: Playoffs Per Game (2011-12 to 2012-13)


From
To
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2012
2013
46
46
42.2
10.1
20.3
.496
1.3
3.9
.320
6.7
8.9
.756
2.0
7.1
9.1
6.1
1.8
0.7
3.3
2.0
28.1

[BatManu20]

http://i44.tinypic.com/b50e85.png

[MeloHype]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/61e11ab556bfe01bfeacb3569088c2fc/tumblr_morbquhm1k1sr5p7ro1_500.jpg

[cesare borgia]

I don't ever remember MJ having to rely on role players to bail him out in the NBA Finals. Ray Allen saved Lebron's "legacy." MJ created his.

Originally Posted by ambchang
Tough to find those games tbh.


In those 6 championship runs, it's tough to find one game where Jordan sucked, his teammate shined, and the Bulls won.

Jamstone Reply it with...


You're probably right. I bet it never happened. If it did, maybe once or twice. But probably not. I'm






http://www.basketball-reference.com/...105190CHI.html (Jordan 6-for-15 for 22 points, the bench 12-for-21 for 30 points)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...106070LAL.html (Jordan 11-for-28 for 29 points, Horace Grant and Cliff Levingston 14-for-16 for 32 points)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...205290CLE.html (Jordan 10-for-27, the rest of the Bulls 28-for-57)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...305290CHI.html (20 point blowout win for the Bulls with Jordan shooting 3-for-18 from the field)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...306040CHI.html (Jordan shoots 8-for-24 from the field, each of the other 7 Chicago Bulls players that attempted a shot in this game shot over 50% from the field)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...605120NYK.html (Jordan 7-for-23, the bench 11-for-17 from the field, 5-for-5 from 3 point range, Rodman had 19 rebounds)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...606160CHI.html (Jordan 5-for-19, 5 turnovers, Longley and Rodman with surprising offensive contributions, 9-for-15 and 21 points)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...705280CHI.html (Jordan 11-for-31, Pippen only played 7 minutes, Longley, Harper, and Rodman combined for 38 big points when they only averaged 20 points in those playoffs)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...705220CHI.html (Jordan 4-for-15 from the field, Pippen had to step up to help win the game)

[AchillesHeel]

MJ's Finals averages



YEAR
Opponent
G
MPG
FG%
3P%
FT%
ORB
DRB
RPG
APG
SPG
BPG
TO
PF
PPG


1990-91
Lakers
5
44.0
.558
.500
.848
1.6
5.0
6.6
11.4
2.8
1.40
3.6
3.6
31.2


1991-92
Trail Blazers
6
42.3
.526
.429
.891
1.0
3.8
4.8
6.5
1.7
0.33
2.0
3.5
35.8


1992-93
Suns
6
45.7
.508
.400
.694
2.5
6.0
8.5
6.3
1.7
0.67
2.7
3.3
41.0


1995-96
Supersonics
6
42.0
.415
.316
.836
1.7
3.7
5.3
4.2
1.7
0.17
3.0
2.8
27.3


1996-97
Jazz
6
42.7
.456
.320
.764
1.5
5.5
7.0
6.0
1.2
0.83
2.2
2.3
32.3


1997-98
Jazz
6
41.7
.427
.308
.814
1.5
2.5
4.0
2.3
1.8
0.67
1.7
2.2
33.5


Finals

5.8
43.0
.481
.368
.806
1.8
4.4
6.0
6.0
1.8
0.66
2.4
2.9
33.6

[Juggity]

To be fair, people don't watch TV as much as they used to. TV ratings are declining across the board for all sports and TV shows.

[Thread]

To be fair, people don't watch TV as much as they used to. TV ratings are declining across the board for all sports and TV shows.

Food for thought, Juggy.

[djohn2oo8]

Fucking homers, Lebum will never better than the GOAT


Michael Jordan: Playoffs Per Game (1990-91 to 1991-92)




From
To
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


1991
1992
39
39
41.3
12.5
24.5
.509
0.7
1.8
.386
7.4
8.6
.852
1.4
4.9
6.3
6.9
2.2
1.0
3.2
2.9
33.0



LeBron James: Playoffs Per Game (2011-12 to 2012-13)




From
To
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2012
2013
46
46
42.2
10.1
20.3
.496
1.3
3.9
.320
6.7
8.9
.756
2.0
7.1
9.1
6.1
1.8
0.7
3.3
2.0
28.1





http://i44.tinypic.com/b50e85.png


http://25.media.tumblr.com/61e11ab556bfe01bfeacb3569088c2fc/tumblr_morbquhm1k1sr5p7ro1_500.jpg


MJ's Finals averages



YEAR
Opponent
G
MPG
FG%
3P%
FT%
ORB
DRB
RPG
APG
SPG
BPG
TO
PF
PPG


1990-91
Lakers
5
44.0
.558
.500
.848
1.6
5.0
6.6
11.4
2.8
1.40
3.6
3.6
31.2


1991-92
Trail Blazers
6
42.3
.526
.429
.891
1.0
3.8
4.8
6.5
1.7
0.33
2.0
3.5
35.8


1992-93
Suns
6
45.7
.508
.400
.694
2.5
6.0
8.5
6.3
1.7
0.67
2.7
3.3
41.0


1995-96
Supersonics
6
42.0
.415
.316
.836
1.7
3.7
5.3
4.2
1.7
0.17
3.0
2.8
27.3


1996-97
Jazz
6
42.7
.456
.320
.764
1.5
5.5
7.0
6.0
1.2
0.83
2.2
2.3
32.3


1997-98
Jazz
6
41.7
.427
.308
.814
1.5
2.5
4.0
2.3
1.8
0.67
1.7
2.2
33.5


Finals

5.8
43.0
.481
.368
.806
1.8
4.4
6.0
6.0
1.8
0.66
2.4
2.9
33.6



http://i.imgur.com/zoLvAju.gif

[da_suns_fan]

This is a case of apples versus oranges if Ive ever saw one.

If you were lucky, you'd get to see Michael Jordan on national Television 6-7 times a year on NBC. Then once the playoff started you got some of the Bulls games national televised until the finals when they were all televised.

I dont even know how many times the Heat were on national TV but Im guessing 25 times during reg season plus every single playoff game so around 45 times.

[Josepatches_]

Y all don't think the advancement of entertainments, like Internet,Video Games(especially online play)etc, has nothing to do with it. I just think that this era of entertainment is competitive in these days, then Jordan era.

This

TV ratings are lower