Spurs interested in Thomas Robinson

[timvp]

I'm on board. Bill Self being RC's best friend makes me confident that if the Spurs think Robinson is worth his contract, he probably is.

It reminds me of the Antonio Daniels trade. AD was drafted fourth overall but landed in a bad situation. The Spurs then traded a late first rounder and salary filler after one subpar season.

Robinson went 5th last year but there were strong rumors he could go as high as number two. He's a pretty damn good prospect who has a chance to flourish in a structured environment.

[ColinB]

Everyone always complaining about being undersized and then there is a 9 page topic about a 6'8" power forward.

[Mugen]

T-Rob would be an awesome pickup tbh.

[timtonymanu]

I really am warming up to the idea of obtaining T-Rob.

But I get the feeling we are just getting our hopes up over nothing again. Hope not.

[DPG21920]

Well, for TRob, what teams with cap space do we think could facilitate? It seems like CLE wants him, so they appear to be out. Who else? I don't see the Spurs doing it straight up unless they agree to do a trade where they get back more than one player where HOU could save the amount of money needed (Bonner leaves them 1M short of what they want to clear. Spurs and HOU would have to add another player(s) to make up that difference).

[TheCerebral1]

Now this is sort of exciting. While I believe he'll always be a better college senior than an NBA player. He'd be a great building block as a rotation PF. Essentially gives you more athletism than Blair and fills a spot.

[Sausage]

What could the deal be? Only thing I can come up with is CoJo and Nando and our first round pick for Thomas Robinson?

[look_at_g_shred]

Everyone always complaining about being undersized and then there is a 9 page topic about a 6'8" power forward.
It's one thing to be undersized in your postion, but if your undersized and not athletic(blair) there's room to complain. T-Rob may be a little undersized but he makes up for it with major athleticism and aggressiveness..something the Spurs have not had at the PF position.

[DesignatedT]

What could the deal be? Only thing I can come up with is CoJo and Nando and our first round pick for Thomas Robinson?

They don't want any salary back. They just want to rid his contract so they can offer max deal for Dwight. So picks, cash, etc.

[DPG21920]

They don't want any salary back. They just want to rid his contract so they can offer max deal for Dwight. So picks, cash, etc.

Well, they could do a trade like Bonner/Nando/28th Pick for Thomas Robinson/Aaron Brooks.

In the Bonner for TR trade, that leaves HOU with 1M too much in salary. If you do the Nando for Brooks part, that shaves that 1M for HOU.

[Sausage]

True. I'd say go for it. As long as we're not giving up the next 3 or 4 first round draft picks. I'll go 2 at the most + cash. But if he's as good as I've heard then it might be worth the gamble.

[8FOR!3]

T-Rob is listed at 6'10 237. I don't think he's that size, but he's probably the size of your average PF. In reality he's probably 6'9 245. And he's built like a brick.

[ColinB]

He is about the size of Carl Landry who I've seen called undersized around here. You are right though, he has a bigger frame on him.

[Texas_Ranger]

Well, they could do a trade like Bonner/Nando/28th Pick for Thomas Robinson/Aaron Brooks.

In the Bonner for TR trade, that leaves HOU with 1M too much in salary. If you do the Nando for Brooks part, that shaves that 1M for HOU.

Brooks's got a fully unguaranteed contract, so they'll probably waive him in the next 2 days.

[8FOR!3]

Robinson's got the longer wingspan though. And he's lighter on his feet at a lower body fat %. Carl Landry had a slightly better vert coming out of college, but T-Rob's no step is a good bit better.

[coyotes_geek]

Brooks's got a fully unguaranteed contract, so they'll probably waive him in the next 2 days.

Not to mention if Houston's going to want a 1st round draft pick, they'd probably want a 2014 draft pick that doesn't eat into their 2013 cap room.

[DPG21920]

Brooks's got a fully unguaranteed contract, so they'll probably waive him in the next 2 days.

Good call - missed that on Brooks. Principle remains though. They could do something like Bonner/Baynes/28th for TR/Royce White. As long as the other players add up to 1M+ in savings for Rockets.

[DPG21920]

Not to mention if Houston's going to want a 1st round draft pick, they'd probably want a 2014 draft pick that doesn't eat into their 2013 cap room.

This very likely won't or it will be so little that it won't matter (draft and stash player..). All early reports are them wanting a pick this year.

[palangi]

It's one thing to be undersized in your postion, but if your undersized and not athletic(blair) there's room to complain. T-Rob may be a little undersized but he makes up for it with major athleticism and aggressiveness..something the Spurs have not had at the PF position.
Robinson is also 6'8 3/4" not the 6'6 1/2" blair is. that is a big difference.

robinson
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Thomas-Robinson-5496/

blair
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeJuan-Blair-5049/

[JR3]

Well, for TRob, what teams with cap space do we think could facilitate? It seems like CLE wants him, so they appear to be out. Who else? I don't see the Spurs doing it straight up unless they agree to do a trade where they get back more than one player where HOU could save the amount of money needed (Bonner leaves them 1M short of what they want to clear. Spurs and HOU would have to add another player(s) to make up that difference).
I haven't thought out a trade, but I know the Jazz have tons of money.

[JR3]

Does TRob have the body and ability to guard the durant...lebron... carmelo... type guys of the league?

[benefactor]

Good call - missed that on Brooks. Principle remains though. They could do something like Bonner/Baynes/28th for TR/Royce White. As long as the other players add up to 1M+ in savings for Rockets.
I see what you did there...we have enough meltdown up here without you instigating. :lol

[DPG21920]

I see what you did there...we have enough meltdown up here without you instigating. :lol

lol - just trying to paint the picture on how SA could do the trade with HOU straight up.

[DPG21920]

Not to mention if Houston's going to want a 1st round draft pick, they'd probably want a 2014 draft pick that doesn't eat into their 2013 cap room.

Also, don't forget: Teams with unsigned first round picks can, if all parties want, file documents with the league agreeing not to sign the player that season, which in return removes their cap hold for the year

[Sausage]

That would be great. Spurs getting Thomas Robinson and being able to keep their pick this year and getting an Erick Green or somebody of that nature. I'm all for it.

[coyotes_geek]

Also, don't forget: Teams with unsigned first round picks can, if all parties want, file documents with the league agreeing not to sign the player that season, which in return removes their cap hold for the year

True. If I were Houston though, I'd still want the 2014 pick. It's a pretty weak draft. #28 this year < #whatever next year.

[DPG21920]

Sure, but they have to shed him. I don't think they hold as much powers as many seem to think.

[coyotes_geek]

The clock is ticking on them, that's for certain.

And if I'm the Spurs and I can get Robinson for Bonner and a 1st (ignoring spare parts), Houston can take their pick between '13 & '14 as far as I'm concerned.

[DPG21920]

Absolutely.

[TheGoldStandard]

He was an effective player through 3 rounds of the playoffs, and a big reason we got past Memphis. He also hasn't hit his ceiling yet, and this was his first year going this deep in the playoffs. In a year or two, he could be a plus member of the rotation all the way to the end. If we replace him with anyone who hasn't played that deep in the playoffs, that player has to go through the process of acclimating to that level of intensity as well.

Tiago took advantage of LA not having sufficient coaching, GS is not an interior team and Memphis is slow footed in the paint. The biggest problem is that all the teams that we're going to match up against in years to come are getting more athletic and it will be a problem for Tiago to be useful against them. At 28/29 years of age and in the Spurs system Tiago is not going to add weapons in the offseason to his offensive game. I don't see him getting any kind of post moves with a suitable jump hook or a jumper. He's a PnR center and where he gets the ball is going towards the basket, that won't change and I don't see him being successful in the long run. I just don't think he's mentally tough to get better, to get stronger or to get a better post game and if that's the truth he's not worth 10 or 12 Million dollars to basically be a spare part starting center.

It used to be that inexperience in the playoffs would cost you a lot and in some cases that is still true for players who get stymied with adversity but the league is different now, all these players that are in the league, they're young and they're playing against other young guys. It feels like they're still in college because everyone comes out young.

[Juggity]

Honestly, I think Robinson's a pipe dream. Would love for the spurs to land him, but it seems pretty far fetched.

[tesseractive]

Tiago took advantage of LA not having sufficient coaching, GS is not an interior team and Memphis is slow footed in the paint. The biggest problem is that all the teams that we're going to match up against in years to come are getting more athletic and it will be a problem for Tiago to be useful against them. At 28/29 years of age and in the Spurs system Tiago is not going to add weapons in the offseason to his offensive game. I don't see him getting any kind of post moves with a suitable jump hook or a jumper. He's a PnR center and where he gets the ball is going towards the basket, that won't change and I don't see him being successful in the long run. I just don't think he's mentally tough to get better, to get stronger or to get a better post game and if that's the truth he's not worth 10 or 12 Million dollars to basically be a spare part starting center.

It used to be that inexperience in the playoffs would cost you a lot and in some cases that is still true for players who get stymied with adversity but the league is different now, all these players that are in the league, they're young and they're playing against other young guys. It feels like they're still in college because everyone comes out young.
1. Lots of centers are slow footed in the paint. There aren't that many teams that have really quick centers, which makes Tiago a bonus in that respect.
2. Some teams will be more athletic, some won't. Golden State was athletic at a bunch of positions, but Tiago was useful against them, because their post players weren't super-athletic. The problem wasn't that Tiago couldn't keep up with other post players, it was that he, like pretty much any center not making max money, wasn't that useful vs. smallball.
3. Tiago had a jumper in Europe. Pop gave him the red light so that he could concentrate on mastering the NBA pick and roll and have one elite NBA skill instead of having two semi-good ones. Achievement unlocked -- he's one of the best in the league at the P&R now. There's no reason he can't start working to bring that jumper back, and if he does, as Chinook said earlier in the thread, he'll be way harder to defend.
4. How good can his post game get? Not a clue. But even without improving a ton there, the jumper would be a coup.
5. Yeah, there's lots of young guys in the league, and they're playing against other young guys. And nearly all of them are watching the games on TV by the conference finals. Guys who are effective deep into the playoffs early on -- Kawhi, Durant and Westbrook, etc. -- are stark exceptions. Everyone else learns how to handle the pressure through experience.

[HemisfairArena]

I came up with this idea when it first came out that the Rockets were going to trade Robinson. I said the Spurs shhould go after him and got crushed on here other Spurs fans saying that I was nuts and if Sacramento let him go he must suck. Now the Spurs front office feels the way I do and everyone is in love with Robinson. LMAO

[ChumpDumper]

I still don't know if he sucks.

[CGD]

So now Cavs select the Russian kid at 19 who has not intention of being stashed, and Bulls select US player Snell. Does this mean Houston's deals for Thomas with those teams fell apart?

interesting...

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I think the Rockets are going to return the favor and Trade Robinson to the Spurs when the Spurs sent Scola to the Rockets. That is my gut feeling. Remember, this about just slashing salary and the Spurs could trade a future pick, Bonner and 1mil in cash (to cover Bonner's cap hit) to trade for Robinson.

[look_at_g_shred]

So if we get T-Rob, would Ledo be the way to go if available?

[palangi]

I think the Rockets are going to return the favor and Trade Robinson to the Spurs when the Spurs sent Scola to the Rockets. That is my gut feeling. Remember, this about just slashing salary and the Spurs could trade a future pick, Bonner and 1mil in cash (to cover Bonner's cap hit) to trade for Robinson.
I would be happy to get rid of bonner.

[palangi]

So if we get T-Rob, would Ledo be the way to go if available?
or allen crabbe

[CGD]

Would TR+ Greg Smith for Bonner + 28th work?

[loveforthegame]

When could we expect to hear about this trade (even if it's not to the Spurs?)

[Strategic]

I still don't know if he sucks.Yeah somehow I picture Robinson as a one inch taller James Anderson. I remember a little about his last college game, not too sure he held up to Anthony Davis.

[timmy2003]

Does TRob have the body and ability to guard the durant...lebron... carmelo... type guys of the league?
Lebron and carmelo possibly
Durant no

[Russ]

So how does the draft (and the moves made by Spurs, Mavs and Rockets) affect the T Rob to SA scenario? (I'm too tired to figure it out.)

[TheGoldStandard]

So how does the draft (and the moves made by Spurs, Mavs and Rockets) affect the T Rob to SA scenario? (I'm too tired to figure it out.)

Not really.

[rogues]

10+ pages on some scrub:lol..

:lmao, tbh..

[Bruno]

It sounds a lot like Rockets failed to built some trade value for Robinson with all these fake leaked rumors.

[TheGoldStandard]

It sounds a lot like Rockets failed to built some trade value for Robinson with all these fake leaked rumors.

Nobody knows what's going to be out there not till July 1st so why bite the bullet early?

[Chinook]

They'll be able to move him when they need to. Everyone has 10 days to work out their off-seasons. Worst comes to worst, they can just attach their pick for him. Someone will take him, even if it's only Cleveland.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

I came up with this idea when it first came out that the Rockets were going to trade Robinson. I said the Spurs shhould go after him and got crushed on here other Spurs fans saying that I was nuts and if Sacramento let him go he must suck. Now the Spurs front office feels the way I do and everyone is in love with Robinson. LMAO

Sounds like Spurstalk bro. Lol. You know how people get around here.

[Raven]

Does TRob have the body and ability to guard the durant...lebron... carmelo... type guys of the league?

hell no.

[CGD]

Looks like Diva Howard is going to wait until July 10th (http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/06/28/report-dwight-howard-to-reveal-his-choice-july-10/?ls=iref:nbahpts)to announce his decision. May mean that there will be no word on a Robinson deal until then.

[spurraider21]

I'm pretty sure with the draft done a Robinson trade is pretty much out the door, is it not?

[bthewigwam]

Looks like Diva Howard is going to wait until July 10th (http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/06/28/report-dwight-howard-to-reveal-his-choice-july-10/?ls=iref:nbahpts)to announce his decision. May mean that there will be no word on a Robinson deal until then.

As much as I agree that he's a diva, I don't think that's the reason for the date as much that's the first day the NBA free agency moratorium is lifted and free agents can sign. If he announced earlier there could be the perception of possible tampering I would think.

[Chinook]

I'm pretty sure with the draft done a Robinson trade is pretty much out the door, is it not?

No. The only certain thing about that situation is that Houston really wants to move him. Now that their efforts to get a 2013 first have failed, they have to lower their asking price. We could very well see a the Rockets actually have to attach an asset (like Isaiah Canaan) to Robinson's deal to make it attractive enough for someone to take. A lot more teams are going to have cap space, and one could bite next month. Since that team could be the Spurs (especially if they release Bonner), the speculation can still live on.

[DPG21920]

No. The only certain thing about that situation is that Houston really wants to move him. Now that they're efforts to get a 2013 first have failed, they have to lower their asking price. We could very well see a the Rockets actually have to attach an asset (like Isaiah Canaan) to Robinson's deal to make it attractive enough for someone to take. A lot more teams are going to have cap space, and one could bite next month. Since that team could be the Spurs (especially if they release Bonner), the speculation can still live on.

I'm glad teams came to their senses (or at least didn't buy into the rumors). I was screaming it didn't make sense given Houston's position.

[exstatic]

I'm pretty sure with the draft done a Robinson trade is pretty much out the door, is it not?

What is no?

Houston's got more leverage now, as there will be more interested parties with cap room after the new cap year starts.

[BatManu20]

This was pre-draft but whatever.

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[BatManu20]

I'm curious as to what the Spurs offer for Robinson was yesterday. Bonner + another player + 1st round pick? Or future 1st round pick?

[Chinook]

^Pretty important that it was pre-draft. It seems now that it was just the Rockets trying to drub up interest. The Spurs may want him, but they didn't improve any sort of offer.

[exstatic]

^Pretty important that it was pre-draft. It seems now that it was just the Rockets trying to drub up interest. The Spurs may want him, but they didn't improve any sort of offer.

They may well have improved the offer, but either the parameters were for after the draft, or the improvement wasn't enough.

[cd98]

I'm not sure if the deal is dead. Maybe they have a deal, but won't do it unless Howard commits. I don't think they have a reason to trade him unless they know Howard is coming.

[exstatic]

I'm not sure if the deal is dead. Maybe they have a deal, but won't do it unless Howard commits. I don't think they have a reason to trade him unless they know Howard is coming.

Pretty much.

[Baam]

Sounds like they changed their mind and want to move Lin instead now.

[exstatic]

Sounds like they changed their mind and want to move Lin instead now.
That won't happen, especially with that horrible last contract year that was the poison pill for NY. Look who's poisoned with it now. :lol

As the CBA tightens the screws on spending, Lin's contract is going to look worse and worse, as is Asik's.

[xmas1997]

Spurs probably offered some combination involving Neal since the Rockets were interested in him.

[exstatic]

Spurs probably offered some combination involving Neal since the Rockets were interested in him.

No. You don't get it. Houston is trying to clear cap room. They want NO NBA PLAYERS OR CONTRACTS BACK. Before the draft, they would have been looking for contracts that expired on June 30th, draft picks, or foreign stashed player rights. Now, they're just looking for picks or stashed players, and a team that can eat Robinson's contract whole with cap room or a trade exception.

[mrjap2x]

Can we offer some of our stash players like Lorbek or do we need a trade exception for that?

[jermaine]

Mrjap I stole your sig picture an made it my Facebook wallpaper. Sorry

[dallasmaverickslose]

I think this trade idea is all but dead

[exstatic]

Can we offer some of our stash players like Lorbek or do we need a trade exception for that?

I don't think they want Lorbek...

[exstatic]

I think this trade idea is all but dead

No, they're now just waiting for the FA period to start. Houston struck out trying to pair ending contracts with picks in the draft. In July, they will be looking for picks and stashed players, and cap space or other team's trade exceptions to move Robinson into.

It will only be dead if Howard signs somewhere else, and not before that. Houston MUST clear cap room to get The Dwightmare.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Trade isn't dead, even if they Don't get Dwight, they already said they are going to make a push for Josh Smith, and Atlanta is more than likely not going to resign him.

Bud and Ferry might be the key it a getting a deal done also. Spurs can trade Bonner, S&T Trade Neal, a future pick to Atl and Houston can trade Robinson and a pick to Atl and the Hawks give the Spurs Robinson. Houston gets Josh Smith in a S&T.

There are still alot of trade scenarios where the Spurs could nab Robinson. I wouldn't be surprise at all if Robinson is on the roster next week sometime. There were rumors that the Spurs were willing to trade up for him if he fell lower in the Lottery in last year's draft.

[Chinook]

Trade isn't dead, even if they Don't get Dwight, they already said they are going to make a push for Josh Smith, and Atlanta is more than likely not going to resign him.

Bud and Ferry might be the key it a getting a deal done also. Spurs can trade Bonner, S&T Trade Neal, a future pick to Atl and Houston can trade Robinson and a pick to Atl and the Hawks give the Spurs Robinson. Houston gets Josh Smith in a S&T.

There are still alot of trade scenarios where the Spurs could nab Robinson. I wouldn't be surprise at all if Robinson is on the roster next week sometime. There were rumors that the Spurs were willing to trade up for him if he fell lower in the Lottery in last year's draft.

Ugh, no. If the Spurs facilitate that deal, they can just absorb Robinson and send a highly-protected second back. There's no need to move assets for him. If the Spurs had thought that highly of him, they've traded for him already. Also, Bonner will not be on the team by then. He's either getting released today, or his contract becomes fully guaranteed. Then, he has little trade value until near the deadline.

[8FOR!3]

Getting T-Rob could be good in real life, it would be great for me in 2K having him on the Spurs. *Franchise*

[Bruno]

I'm against Spurs doing a Robinson trade right now, even if they get him for top55 protected second round pick. There are just better things to do for Spurs with their cap space. If Spurs don't get the FAs they want, it could be a good idea provided Rockets still have him and still want to salary dump him.

[Baam]

I'm against Spurs doing a Robinson trade right now, even if they get him for top55 protected second round pick. There are just better things to do for Spurs with their cap space. If Spurs don't get the FAs they want, it could be a good idea provided Rockets still have him and still want to salary dump him.

Don't you think our best moves would be in trades absorbing salary with our cap space?

I don't see us making a great move in Free Agency, we're not a top destination... The only good deals would be a friend of TP like Kirilenko or someone like Big Al who is a big fan of Tim and I'm not sure how these guys fit on the team, but to get anyone else we'd have to overpay and it'd be a huge risk...

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Don't you think our best moves would be in trades absorbing salary with our cap space?

I don't see us making a great move in Free Agency, we're not a top destination... The only good deals would be a friend of TP like Kirilenko or someone like Big Al who is a big fan of Tim and I'm not sure how these guys fit on the team, but to get anyone else we'd have to overpay and it'd be a huge risk...
I'm sure the Spurs find plenty of other free agents as viable options. And the thing with trading is that the Spurs have no assets to trade. It's best to just add via free agency.

[Baam]

There's plenty of "ok" options but I don't see many great one.

If they're gonna bet on free agency they have to go after someone who really wants to be here so that you don't end up with RJeff 2.0.

[Bruno]

Don't you think our best moves would be in trades absorbing salary with our cap space?


Not at first. Spurs should first see the few free agents they like. If they came up empty, it will be time to consider trades. Thomas Robinson is nowhere near good enough to be the first plan for a team with cap space.

[TheGreatYacht]

There's plenty of "ok" options but I don't see many great one.

If they're gonna bet on free agency they have to go after someone who really wants to be here so that you don't end up with RJeff 2.0.Richard Jefferson was a scrub. The only reason he made a name for himself was because of the greatness of Jason Kidd. FO fuc*ed up in signing RJ to a contract. I mean the man didn't rebound, couldn't shoot, and he didn't play defense. People need to stop using the RJ reference as an excuse to not sign free agents. I'm pretty sure the FO learned their lesson and will think twice before committing long term to a FA.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

There's plenty of "ok" options but I don't see many great one.

If they're gonna bet on free agency they have to go after someone who really wants to be here so that you don't end up with RJeff 2.0.

Still no real trade assets. If a player has a salary that will have to be absorbed, he's probably really good. And I doubt any team with take our rotation/bench players for him.

[exstatic]

Not at first. Spurs should first see the few free agents they like. If they came up empty, it will be time to consider trades. Thomas Robinson is nowhere near good enough to be the first plan for a team with cap space.

Robinson's going to happen fast, or not at all. Houston will make a phone call if they need to clear the room to sign Dwight. If the Spurs response is anything but "yes", they'll move down their list to the next team.

[exstatic]

Richard Jefferson was a scrub. The only reason he made a name for himself was because of the greatness of Jason Kidd. FO fuc*ed up in signing RJ to a contract. I mean the man didn't rebound, couldn't shoot, and he didn't play defense. People need to stop using the RJ reference as an excuse to not sign free agents. I'm pretty sure the FO learned their lesson and will think twice before committing long term to a FA.

He wasn't a FA anyway. We traded the corpse of Bowen and Oberto, and got him from Milwaukee.

[Prime Time]

Richard Jefferson was a scrub. The only reason he made a name for himself was because of the greatness of Jason Kidd.
LMAO what a Spur-way to think. Back in the 07-08 season, Jefferson was averaging 21.7ppg on .477% after the period Kidd was traded. Then he went for 19ppg the next season with the Bucks. I know he's very, very, VERY far from an "all-around player". But he still had a solid career and he was still a very good scorer in his time. In a way, Spurs played a factor into his recent "scrubbiness". They basically turned him into a spot up shooter. And with the age factor (He's 33) not only has he forgotten his old style, but lost his athleticism during the process. I know RJ was absolute crap with the Spurs, but he had a very respectful career/game.

[tesseractive]

That won't happen, especially with that horrible last contract year that was the poison pill for NY. Look who's poisoned with it now. :lol

As the CBA tightens the screws on spending, Lin's contract is going to look worse and worse, as is Asik's.
Asik's doing pretty well isn't he?

[Baam]

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[SpursSerb]

So now when Bonner's contract becomes fully guaranteed,what else can we offer the Rockets?

[Baam]

Good question, I guess we're out now...

[Frankie23]

So now when Bonner's contract becomes fully guaranteed,what else can we offer the Rockets?
They don't want players and they would hardly get a good first round pick cause they are desperate.. Spurs can offer some 2nd round picks (Bertans or next years) + the right for the french kind we drafted.
Spurs should make an effort to bring Al Jefferson. If we can't, then take Thomas Robinson, who could develop good with Timmy next to him.

[xmas1997]

So are we still in the running?

[benefactor]

Yes. They will dump him somewhere.

[SpursSerb]

So they have to trade him before signing Howard?

[TheGoldStandard]

They don't want players and they would hardly get a good first round pick cause they are desperate.. Spurs can offer some 2nd round picks (Bertans or next years) + the right for the french kind we drafted.
Spurs should make an effort to bring Al Jefferson. If we can't, then take Thomas Robinson, who could develop good with Timmy next to him.

Something tells me the Spurs are going to try to keep it Status Quo until the wheels fall off.

[exstatic]

So now when Bonner's contract becomes fully guaranteed,what else can we offer the Rockets?

Do we know that it is? SA got Dice to agree to an extension of his cut date until after the lockout. They never announce anything until they have to.

[exstatic]

Good question, I guess we're out now...

:lol We only need about $3.5M in cap room for Robinson. We should have that when NBA business opens in 10 days or so.

[xmas1997]

Whatever we offer Houston it has to be stashed players and/or future draft picks because they can't absorb any salaries if they want to remain in the Howard chase. I wish there was some news because last report was that something was "imminent"!

[exstatic]

Whatever we offer Houston it has to be stashed players and/or future draft picks because they can't absorb any salaries if they want to remain in the Howard chase. I wish there was some news because last report was that something was "imminent"!
Someone who gets it.

[ace3g]

end the talks...

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Houston has traded Thomas Robinson to the Portland Trail Blazers, league source tells Y! Sports.

[benefactor]

Well that's the end of that.

[DPG21920]

well, the search for new additions moves on.

[Texas_Ranger]

good 12 pages. :rollin

[BatManu20]

Weeeeell shit..

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[loveforthegame]

That sucks. :bang

[benefactor]

Bring the meltdown.

[look_at_g_shred]

Fuckin' Spurs dude!!

[szkorhetz]

Shit.

[Chinook]

Whatever we offer Houston it has to be stashed players and/or future draft picks because they can't absorb any salaries if they want to remain in the Howard chase. I wish there was some news because last report was that something was "imminent"!

That's not necessarily true. The Rockets need to save enough money to get Howard, so any trade that nets them about $3.5 Million would work. For example, a Robinson and White for Bonner (if his deadline had been extended) would have been the same thing (actually slightly better) for Houston as just taking Robinson for free. Taking on White's deal is as much of a sweetener as offering a pick would be. Remember, Houston is trying to fill out their roster, so if they would probably take having $20.8 M in space and Mills over having just $22 Million in space.

There are other deals that would save Houston the money they need, but none are as attractive as Robinson and spare parts for a small contract or two for the Spurs.

EDIT: Nevermind, I guess.

[elemento]

:lol

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Portland will send Houston two future second-round picks and the draft rights to two foreign players, league sources tells Y!

[Chinook]

Lol, that was quick. Interesting trade for both teams. It could really affect what the Blazers do in free agency now.

[loveforthegame]

Why be mad? We have Bonner. :tu

[szkorhetz]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Portland will send Houston two future second-round picks and the draft rights to two foreign players, league sources tells Y!



So we didn't want to give up a first rounder. Nice.

[jyra]

Meh, I'd rather have the cap space anyway.

[DPG21920]

Makes sense, some future 2nd rounders and no salary back. Makes more sense than the bull crap they floated about 1st rounders.

[Chinook]

Back to the Derrick Williams bandwagon for me.

[timtonymanu]

Meltdown, commence.

[BatManu20]

We could've given up the same. Two 2nd's + Lorbek and Jean-Charles.

Or just a 1st rounder. Hard to believe we were unwilling to trade a late 1st round pick for the 5th overall pick in the draft last year.. if that's the case.

[szkorhetz]

Meh, I'd rather have the cap space anyway.
For what? Re-singing Manu and Splitter will take the whole, TBH.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Portland will send the rights to Kostas Papanikolau and Marko Todorovic to the Rockets, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[Big P]

Meh, I'd rather have the cap space anyway.

Cap room that will be spent on Manu, Splitter, and Neal.

[LakerHater]

Welp...

[stephen jackson]

they screw us over and cant even do us a favor fuck em

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Deal can't be completed until July 10, but agreed in principle now, sources tell Y! Houston goes into Dwight Howard meeting with cap space.

[elemento]

Back to the Derrick Williams bandwagon for me.

I give up

Back to earth here

Spurs stand pad, we re-sign Splitter, Manu and call it a day. The most exciting part of this off-season will be the search of cheap backup for Leonard. :lol

[BatManu20]

Weeeeell shit..

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In total.

[szkorhetz]

I give up

Back to earth here

Spurs stand pad, we re-sign Splitter, Manu and call it a day. The most exciting part of this off-season will be the search of cheap backup for Leonard. :lol
This TBH. Sometimes I wish our FO would have more balls. Other than the Leonard trade we have never done a move with any risk.
I still think we should go after Randolph. He doesn't play much in Denver. I always loved him and I can't understand why we have never even tried to get him.

[Sean Cagney]

Why be mad? We have Bonner. :tu

That is every reason to be mad!

[szkorhetz]

That is every reason to be mad!
Too much hate on him. He was decent in the PO.

[picnroll]

Don't worry. Next trade will be a six pack of Bud Lite for Robinson. How many teams have to dump him before you figure out he's a bust?

[Robz4000]

Wonder if the Spurs were serious about getting him? I'd imagine they might've offered something similar but with the Spurs being direct competition this season they prolly didn't wanna risk helping the Spurs get better either short-term or long-term.

[benefactor]

Meh, I'd rather have the cap space anyway.
He was interesting, but I tend to agree.

[Russ]

Too bad.

[Sean Cagney]

Too much hate on him. He was decent in the PO.

4 million dollars this year to a guy who did not even play in the finals! No thanks, he is not worth that much.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Houston and Portland both hate the Spurs and our front office. Lol thinking we could get him. Hell, they probably conferenced in RC just to give him a big fuck you while they completed it.

[loveforthegame]

That is every reason to be mad!

I was being sarcastic.

It's not even about Robinson (who I really liked) but the fact we'll probably hold on to Bonner for dear life over some other guys.

[BatManu20]

Meh, I'd rather have the cap space anyway.

To do what.. spend it on Splitter and Neal? Cause that's probably all they're going to do.

[BatManu20]

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[Chinook]

This does affect the Splitter situation, however. Either this deal eliminates some of Portland's cap space, making it significantly harder for them to outbid the Spurs, or it gives the team an asset that they can deal in a sign-and-trade for Splitter. Honestly, Portland was about the best team that could have acquired Robinson.

[jyra]

To do what.. spend it on Splitter and Neal? Cause that's probably all they're going to do.

We shall see. I doubt that Gary will be back. I'm having a hard time projecting Manu's salary for his next contract but I think that there will be cap space left even if the Spurs bring back both him and Tiago.

[TD 21]

I give up

Back to earth here

Spurs stand pad, we re-sign Splitter, Manu and call it a day. The most exciting part of this off-season will be the search of cheap backup for Leonard. :lol

And you likely won't even get that (in regards to the excitement of a search for a backup for Leonard), as they'll most likely sign Casspi, who's basically the Joseph of SF's, which is to say, very little in the way of actual, discernible skill . . . but hey, he tries hard. You'd think more would be required for a rotation player on an NBA team and particularly one of the elite variety, but apparently not.

I'm not particularly high on Robinson and for next season, Diaw and Bonner may well be better fits, but it would be nice if they could actually get someone they're supposedly pursuing for once.

More importantly, the big rotation still doesn't really work. The starters are both centers, the backups are both power forwards (neither of whom have the length, rebounding or shot blocking, to get away with credibly playing center), there's not a surefire second big to close games and there's not an above average athlete in the bunch.

[chrhawk]

This does affect the Splitter situation, however. Either this deal eliminates some of Portland's cap space, making it significantly harder for them to outbid the Spurs, or it gives the team an asset that they can deal in a sign-and-trade for Splitter. Honestly, Portland was about the best team that could have acquired Robinson.

Would you rather the Spurs keep Splitter and then try to sign another big like Millsap?

[MeloHype]

Welp

http://img.pandawhale.com/26643-Jump-Out-Window-gif-AT8K.gif

[Chinook]

Would you rather the Spurs keep Splitter and then try to sign another big like Millsap?

Keep Splitter. If the Spurs plan to stay over the cap, they can keep Tiago AND probably get a big like Carl Landry or Brendan Wright. I'd rather do that and move Splitter to the bench than hope Baynes can take Tiago's place.

[palangi]

i'm actually fine with it as the spurs can just bring jamychal green up from austin and be the same player. they are the same size and have the same skill athletically. with green having the better jumper of the two.

[BatManu20]

i'm actually fine with it as the spurs can just bring jamychal green up from austin and be the same player. they are the same size and have the same skill athletically. with green having the better jumper of the two.

Ha he wouldn't be the same player playing against NBA competition.. just like Corey Joseph isn't averaging 20 ppg in the NBA like he did in Austin.

[BatManu20]

So the Blazers obviously aren't re-signing J.J. Hickson. It'd be pointless and they likely can't afford him anymore.

[DPG21920]

It doesn't speak well of the Spurs thoughts on Thomas Robinson at the moment in all honesty because they could have easily had him if they were high on him. With Self being close to RC and the ease of getting Robinson, maybe the Spurs were not really ever that high on him.

[BatManu20]

It doesn't speak well of the Spurs thoughts on Thomas Robinson at the moment in all honesty because they could have easily had him if they were high on him. With Self being close to RC and the ease of getting Robinson, maybe the Spurs were not really ever that high on him.

My thinking as well. I just find it hard to believe that we wouldn't be willing to give up a late 1st round pick for the 5th overall pick in last year's draft..

[Kindergarten Cop]

It doesn't speak well of the Spurs thoughts on Thomas Robinson at the moment in all honesty because they could have easily had him if they were high on him. With Self being close to RC and the ease of getting Robinson, maybe the Spurs were not really ever that high on him.

Perhaps the Rockets were a little reluctant to do a deal with us, considering that we play in the same division and our history. I'm not saying that they wouldn't do a deal with us if it was their only opportunity to clear space or if the Spurs gave them an offer that they literally couldn't refuse - but the Rockets really weren't in too big of a hurry to unload Robinson since they still had another week and a half to field offers.

[spursnatic]

So much for getting T Rob..He has been traded to the Trailblazers for two Euro Scrubs and a couple Second Rd Picks

[CGD]

This does affect the Splitter situation, however. Either this deal eliminates some of Portland's cap space, making it significantly harder for them to outbid the Spurs, or it gives the team an asset that they can deal in a sign-and-trade for Splitter. Honestly, Portland was about the best team that could have acquired Robinson.
Haha, I was thinking the exact same thing. Could be the Blazers anticipating that Spurs want Robinson in such a trade. Would they still have the space to bid, say, 10m on Splitter? Iirc, they too were way under cap.

[Sean Cagney]

I was being sarcastic.

It's not even about Robinson (who I really liked) but the fact we'll probably hold on to Bonner for dear life over some other guys.
It's actually pretty depressing to be honest.

[crc21209]

What a waste. He'll be stuck in Portland hell now. Oh well.

[elemento]

And you likely won't even get that (in regards to the excitement of a search for a backup for Leonard), as they'll most likely sign Casspi, who's basically the Joseph of SF's, which is to say, very little in the way of actual, discernible skill . . . but hey, he tries hard. You'd think more would be required for a rotation player on an NBA team and particularly one of the elite variety, but apparently not.

I'm not particularly high on Robinson and for next season, Diaw and Bonner may well be better fits, but it would be nice if they could actually get someone they're supposedly pursuing for once.

More importantly, the big rotation still doesn't really work. The starters are both centers, the backups are both power forwards (neither of whom have the length, rebounding or shot blocking, to get away with credibly playing center), there's not a surefire second big to close games and there's not an above average athlete in the bunch.

At this point, I would be happy if Pop at least gives Baynes a chance. I don't think he is our savior or anything, but It would be nice to have an option if Splitter goes vagina once again in the playoffs.
We can only hope that Kawhi improves his offensive game and that Cojo or Nando take their game to the next level in order to lead the 2nd unit with Manu. It's pretty clear now that Manu can't do everything alone like he could in the past.

Anyway, boring off-season per usual.

[tesseractive]

Don't worry. Next trade will be a six pack of Bud Lite for Robinson. How many teams have to dump him before you figure out he's a bust?
If he doesn't do anything this next year then I think people will pretty much get the idea.

[yavozerb]

Thank you Blazers for closing up this thread..

[cjw]

This takes some dry powder away from one of the serious suitors for Splitter. By my math, this pushes them within $10 million of the salary cap. We should be ecstatic about this trade going down.

[yavozerb]

This takes some dry powder away from one of the serious suitors for Splitter. By my math, this pushes them within $10 million of the salary cap. We should be ecstatic about this trade going down.

Agree..Good point

[Big P]

And you likely won't even get that (in regards to the excitement of a search for a backup for Leonard), as they'll most likely sign Casspi, who's basically the Joseph of SF's, which is to say, very little in the way of actual, discernible skill . . . but hey, he tries hard. You'd think more would be required for a rotation player on an NBA team and particularly one of the elite variety, but apparently not.

I'm not particularly high on Robinson and for next season, Diaw and Bonner may well be better fits, but it would be nice if they could actually get someone they're supposedly pursuing for once.

More importantly, the big rotation still doesn't really work. The starters are both centers, the backups are both power forwards (neither of whom have the length, rebounding or shot blocking, to get away with credibly playing center), there's not a surefire second big to close games and there's not an above average athlete in the bunch.

He would have been the perfect Blair replacement...you know doing what Blair wishes he could do...rebound and play defense.

Too bad they couldn't pick him up IMO.Sad to say, but it looks like its gonna be manu, splitter, neal and a middle of the road player with the exception.

[TD 21]

At this point, I would be happy if Pop at least gives Baynes a chance. I don't think he is our savior or anything, but It would be nice to have an option if Splitter goes vagina once again in the playoffs.
We can only hope that Kawhi improves his offensive game and that Cojo or Nando take their game to the next level in order to lead the 2nd unit with Manu. It's pretty clear now that Manu can't do everything alone like he could in the past.

Anyway, boring off-season per usual.

Baynes has virtually no shot at cracking the rotation, but I do think he'll have a stretch or two of games where he takes Bonner's spot in the rotation. If they do that and he plays the games they sit Duncan, they should get an idea of whether he's someone who can be the long term answer at backup center or not.

As for backup PG, I have no faith in either. By next season, Joseph might be a suitable backup for a run of the mill team, but probably not for a legit contender, while De Colo is most likely no more than a fifth guard period.

[TheGoldStandard]

Frustrating when you think what the blazers gave Houston for him.. and yet we don't get rid of Bonner?

[Baam]

Frustrating when you think what the blazers gave Houston for him.. and yet we don't get rid of Bonner?

:pop:

Matty is staying no matter what

[Juggity]

I knew it wouldn't happen. The spurs were never really players in the T-Rob game.

[TheGoldStandard]

I knew it wouldn't happen. The spurs were never really players in the T-Rob game.

They probably offered a draft pick and Portland said, give us matty and 2 picks and the Spurs said, "fuck no, Bonner is a Spur 4 Life"

[Bruno]

Rocket get a good deal for Robinson given the circumstances. It is nowhere near as good that getting #19 or #20 as "leaked" but Papanikolaou is a nice little player.

[cdcast]

Spurs already have their T-Rob for next season.........Baynes.