Spurs may have promise with Erick Green at #28

[DesignatedT]

According to nbadraft.net


NBADraft.net ‏@nbadraftnet 3m
Sources have indicated Spurs may have a promise with Erick Green at 28. #draftrumor

Player page: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Erick-Green-16580/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WhzwLXF7fVA

[RD2191]

What do you mean by promise?

[dallasmaverickslose]

Well this will be confusing. Hope his # doesn't invole the number 4 anywhere...

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Oh another undersized smallguard per par

[RD2191]

^Yup

[DPG21920]

:lol at those wanting to die if the Spurs take another PG. Let alone a tweener PG that isn't likely to step right in and solve the back up PG problem.

Take this with a grain of salt obviously because how often to legit Spurs leaks happen?

[DesignatedT]

Led the NCAA in scoring at 25.4ppg.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

This prob just a smoke screen of some sort tbh...

[DPG21920]

Led the NCAA in scoring at 25.4ppg.

Lot's of guys can score in the NCAA (some of which the Spurs drafted aka Denmon) - does not make them useful.

[texmich]

Seems like the spurs always grab guys that are undersized for their position, and then pop throws them in the dog house to never be seen again, but shit idk

[TheGoldStandard]

This actually seems on par with what the Spurs do. they've taken small SG's. Just don't like this shooting guard.

[DesignatedT]

Lot's of guys can score in the NCAA (some of which the Spurs drafted aka Denmon) - does not make them useful.

And a lot of good NCAA scorers do turn out to be useful in the NBA. What's your point?

[Chinook]

CIA Pop trying to trick Portland into drafting a combo-guard.

[RD2191]

Whats the difference between this guy and Denmon?

[BatManu20]

Erick Green led the nation in scoring last season. I watched him a few times at VT and he can actually ball. His strength is definitely his speed. He's not a true PG though. And he's really weak. Needs to put on some weight.

[BatManu20]

FwZJCZqNhIg

[Chinook]

I don't like him at all. I'd be very disappointed if the Spurs pick him.

[DPG21920]

And a lot of good NCAA scorers do turn out to be useful in the NBA. What's your point?

What was yours? Or were you just stating a stat?

[spursince#99]

Reminds me of George Hill. I'd actually approve of us selecting him only if it meant we'd dump Joseph or else it'd be a redundant pick per par.

[baseline bum]

The Spurs have never let anyone know who they interested in since it cost them Krstic in 2002. Thank god I'm saying Krstic 2002 and not Parker 2001 (wasn't a well-kept secret that they wanted him back then).

[RD2191]

What was yours? Or were you just stating a stat?

:lmao

[DesignatedT]

I don't like him at all. I'd be very disappointed if the Spurs pick him.

Pretty much a Neal clone.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Watched him play against NC State. He scores a lot... but he's the ONLY good guy on their team. Risky pick.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

This is smoke screen. The Spurs are wanting someone to bite on this guy so they can get the pick they actually do want.

[DPG21920]

Well, like most Spurs draft spots, every pick is risky. It's incredibly rare, even if you are drafted in the 1st round, that you stick in the NBA. Goes double for outside of the lottery.

[spurraider21]

looks like gary neal 1.5 marcus denmon 2.0 and jack mcclinton 3.0

[Knoxxx]

I watched a fair amount of the first video. You have to like the long range shooting and quickness. Looks like he can really handle the ball and penetrate. Showed potential to be a strong finisher, have to like what Parker could teach him there. The project part would be his playmaking, but certainly looks like a guy that could provide instant offense and dribble the ball up the floor (unlike for example a Neal).

If you watch how he creates space to launch 3, there is a bit of Steph Curry in that.

[Juggity]

FwZJCZqNhIg

Weird shot release

[exstatic]

What do you mean by promise?

If there is a "promise", it means that if he's on the board at 28, SA will take him. Players don't want to drop out of the first round, because their salary in the first round is guaranteed. Many would have withdrawn from the draft without that promise.

[DMX7]

His game looks like it could translate well to the NBA. I don't like his size for a 2-guard though, and if he doesn't have a handle to play PG, then he's pretty much useless to us.

[TheGoldStandard]

Seems like any other undersized PG/SG that we can get in the 2nd round.. Rather try to get some size..

[loveforthegame]

Looks like a Spurs pick but I'm always suspicious when anything Spurs related is leaked.

[KL2]

Mason at PG didn't work, Neal at PG didn't work, Hill at PG didn't work, those are 3 failed SG's SA has tried at PG over the years that have totally failed, and now they're going to do it yet again!

Green is 6'3 with shoes, 180lbs, although he's a great scorer you have to remember he's a senior and he's got a lot more experience than other guys. He's a subpar passer with just 4 APG, although having bad teammates would greatly affect that stat so that could be a factor.

SA needs a guy that can pass, make plays, that does not sound like Green. All this pick sounds like to me is a new version of Neal, except he weighs 30lbs less!

[Chinook]

Pretty much a Neal clone.

I guess. I actually wanted the Spurs to draft that type of player rather than paying Neal, but that was before I saw how badly Ginobili has regressed. He just can't be the point-guard of the second-unit anymore. So it's important in my opinion that the team either develops De Colo or Joseph to help with that or for them to bring in a backup point. Getting another undersized shooting-guard just doesn't appeal to me. When Manu is healthy, he'd take minutes away from Joseph and De Colo, and when Manu is injured, he'd be too small to play the two full-time. Neal, for all his flaws is at least 6-4. Green would be the shortest player on the roster outside of Mills.

[Ditty]

Hope it's a smoke screen and unless we're trading Joseph then I don't see how this fills a need.

[RD2191]

Thanks ex

[TheGreatYacht]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1670358-2013-nba-draft-breakdown-and-scouting-report-for-erick-green

[tesseractive]

I guess. I actually wanted the Spurs to draft that type of player rather than paying Neal, but that was before I saw how badly Ginobili has regressed. He just can't be the point-guard of the second-unit anymore. So it's important in my opinion that the team either develops De Colo or Joseph to help with that or for them to bring in a backup point. Getting another undersized shooting-guard just doesn't appeal to me. When Manu is healthy, he'd take minutes away from Joseph and De Colo, and when Manu is injured, he'd be too small to play the two full-time. Neal, for all his flaws is at least 6-4. Green would be the shortest player on the roster outside of Mills.
Yeah, the only way this would make sense is if they're confident that DeColo can be the ball handler for the second unit next year. Then they can play Erick Green, CJ or any other PG-sized shooter they want.

The problem is, I can't see how they can be confident DeColo is ready for that role after ending the season in street clothes.

[Dex]

1) He's undersized.

2) He's not a true point or true shooting guard.

3) As the leading scorer in the NCAA, sincerely doubt he drops to #28.

4) Spurs have changed their emphasis from offense to defense, so sincerely doubt he fits the mold of what they are looking for.

[ironman2886]

Looks like yet another pick that the spurs will throw away. Other than Kawhi, Hill and Blair, the Spurs have picked duds for awhile now. If I'm a player that gets drafted by the Spurs, I'd be worried that I won't even get a fair chance to be successful for the Spurs.

[MR-Clutch]

Neal replacement? On all those floaters he missed in that video, the defense was collapsing on him and there was always an open pass to his teamate to score that he didn't make. If he could learn to make that pass he may be a pretty decent off the bench player to replace for Neal. If his defense is any better ill effin take him. Again, spurs draft rumors should be taken cautiously.

[dallasmaverickslose]

I'd like it if we could draft another defensive juggernaut to complement Kawhi. Don't know how successful that'll be.

We should just draft the best defensive player available if we don't move up.

[DPG21920]

Can someone post a link to the college players advance metrics? Who's grading out really high? I can't access Hollinger's college rankings..

[dylankerouac]

IIRC Denmon and Anderson were college scorers too so drafting Green would follow a trend. More so since Anderson and Denmon aren't exactly reaping rewards for the Spurs at the moment.

I think the positives of each of these players is that they can create for themselves and give others good looks. From Green's highlights, at least he can create for himself.

[MR-Clutch]

Can someone post a link to the college players advance metrics? Who's grading out really high? I can't access Hollinger's college rankings..

I would like to see this as well.

[mute]

I've met him and he wasn't all that much bigger than me (obviously taller, but didn't tower me or anything like a strong 6'3" guy would). He's actually around 6'1".

[MR-Clutch]

I'm mobile but here:http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/erick-green-1.html

[MarCowMar]

I think Pop figures that a guard sprinting at full speed down the court and getting to the basket is a relatively high % shot. The defense doesn't have a chance to get set and a lot of times a foul is drawn. He likes it the same way he likes the corner 3. This guy can sprint and score.

[TheGoldStandard]

I think Pop figures that a guard sprinting at full speed down the court and getting to the basket is a relatively high % shot. The defense doesn't have a chance to get set and a lot of times a foul is drawn. He likes it the same way he likes the corner 3. This guy can sprint and score.

I suppose he's just waiting for 1 combo guard he's drafted over the last 5 years to pan out.

[MR-Clutch]

His p.e.r increased a lot every year. That's interesting.

[SenorSpur]

Good God. This has smokescreen written all over it. What good would it do to draft yet another backup PG when Pop can't even develop one from the bunch he has?

I trust the Spurs are focusing more on adding more size in the frontcourt.

[dylankerouac]

I suppose he's just waiting for 1 combo guard he's drafted over the last 5 years to pan out.

Gotta give management props for their persistence.

[Thomas82]

I don't like him at all. I'd be very disappointed if the Spurs pick him.

+1

[KawhiLeonard]

Smoke screen ill put it at 5% chance he gets drafted by the spurs.

[MarCowMar]

Given where they were picking they've done all right. Anderson was the highest pick at 20. The next highest was Hill at 26. People's expectations are just out of whack for the end of the first round. De Colo and Hanga might even pan out still.

Dragic
Hill
De Colo
McClinton
Anderson
Hanga
Joseph

[sasffl]

I believe it's smoke

[tesseractive]

I suppose he's just waiting for 1 combo guard he's drafted over the last 5 years to pan out.
Recent history of guards drafted in the first round:

2008 -- George Hill: standout defender, useful ranged shooter, picked at 26 and swapped for KL at #15 = successful pick.
2010 -- James Anderson: pure 2 guard who didn't pan out; not a combo guard in any useful sense.
2011 -- Cory Joseph: raw project combo guard. Year 1: redshirt year in Austin. Year 2: spent most of the year in Austin, then came up and promptly won the spot as Tony's backup. Solid NBA defender all the way through the conference finals, but ineffective vs. Miami. Year 3: ???

So Hill was a great success relative to where he was picked, Anderson wasn't a combo guard, and Joseph seems to be coming along ok given that he was a project pick.

The track record for second round picks is a lot shakier, but everyone's track record for second round picks is dicey at best. So if the Spurs think Erick Green can be a useful pick as a combo guard, the track record suggests that there's a perfectly good chance that he will be.

[Prime Time]

Other than Kawhi, Hill and Blair, the Spurs have picked duds for awhile now.
Other than SA's 2011, 2008, and 2009 picks, everyone else has been duds? How long is "for a while now"? I don't understand this. The only 'duds' you could be speaking of is James Anderson and Marcus Denmon. One of them faced a serious injury, the other was the second last pick of the draft.

[DesignatedT]

Considering we pick in the 28-30 range every year it shouldn't be surprising we don't draft Tim Duncan's every year.

[tesseractive]

Other than SA's 2011, 2008, and 2009 picks, everyone else has been duds? How long is "for a while now"? I don't understand this. The only 'duds' you could be speaking of is James Anderson and Marcus Denmon. One of them faced a serious injury, the other was the second last pick of the draft.
We've picked far too many players with picks 49-59 that haven't become solid rotation players the way they're supposed to be.

[elemento]

This has smoke screen written all over it !

Why would SA spend a 1st round pick on a Marcus Denmon clone. I don't see SA drafting him at all.

[Baam]

Was impressed with his interview on DX, seemed very mature and all so he was om my radar but he's not the most exciting choice either for me.

[G-Dawgg]

Did this guy lead the NCAA is scoring? Smokescreen? Watch him turn into the next Iverson...

[Outlier]

Don't know why you guys are upset. He looks way better than Cory Joseph and looks real smooth on offense. He could be an asset to us. I can easily see him getting playing time with the Spurs.

[007nites]

He only benched 185 5 times. I can do more reps then that.

[spurraider21]

IIRC Denmon and Anderson were college scorers too so drafting Green would follow a trend. More so since Anderson and Denmon aren't exactly reaping rewards for the Spurs at the moment.

I think the positives of each of these players is that they can create for themselves and give others good looks. From Green's highlights, at least he can create for himself.

at least anderson wasn't undersized

[jhuan16]

Another shoot first PG?

[Outlier]

Another shoot first PG?

Why in the world would we need a pass first PG? As shown in the Heat series, we need someone who can create on his own when PArker's not in the game and when Manu's playing like crap.

[Mal]

Spurs always pick guys, you expect them to draft. Always :toast

[TheGoldStandard]

Why in the world would we need a pass first PG? As shown in the Heat series, we need someone who can create on his own when PArker's not in the game and when Manu's playing like crap.

You'd hope next year that would be Leonard. If the Spurs do take a Guard though and not a prototype SG my only concern is that he have handles. Very few players on the team can actually handle the ball

[BatManu20]

This has smoke screen written all over it !

Why would SA spend a 1st round pick on a Marcus Denmon clone. I don't see SA drafting him at all.

I think so too. I think all these reports that are coming out are all smoke screens by CIA Pop and co. I bet the Spurs draft somebody we've barely even mentioned unless a higher prospect slips to 28.

[Baam]

With our 3 backup PGs not cutting it and Green coming across like a great guy in interviews I completely buy it.

[TimmyDuncan21]

Pretty much a Neal clone.

Nah...I dont think so, Neal cant ball this kid can...and this kid will make a good pro in about 2 years.

[RD2191]

We need Ledo :hat

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

He only benched 185 5 times. I can do more reps then that.
KD couldn't do it once and he's the 2nd best player in the NBA now. Kawhi somehow only did it 3 times as well.

[Outlier]

You'd hope next year that would be Leonard. If the Spurs do take a Guard though and not a prototype SG my only concern is that he have handles. Very few players on the team can actually handle the ball

Leonard will not be enough. This kid can ball and has handles. Judging from the interview as well he seems like he has a good attitude and is well spoken. Unlike other draftees, ahem Ricky Ledo, who speak like they're high.

[007nites]

KD couldn't do it once and he's the 2nd best player in the NBA now. Kawhi somehow only did it 3 times as well.

I'm surprised Kawhi was only able to do it 3 times considering he weigh's about 220.

[DesignatedT]

Nah...I dont think so, Neal cant ball this kid can...and this kid will make a good pro in about 2 years.

Neal is a pretty damn good scorer against average defense/defenders. Problem arises when you put somebody on him who can actually defend or is athletically superior. Same problems this kid will have when he gets going.

Measurements mean so much in the NBA but apparently not as much to the Spurs as we've seen over the years.

[TheGoldStandard]

I think everyone is expecting Pop to play this kid if he's drafted..

[benefactor]

Calling bullshit.

[chapnis]

You know what the basketball greats say, "You can never have enough backup point guards." Oh wait...

[Buddy Holly]

LMFAO at anyone who believes the Spurs promised someone then let it get out to the media. Is this your first draft? I guess those posters are the epitome of gnsf.

[RD2191]

^And the virgin of the year award goes to...

[yavozerb]

Hell, if anybody should be excited about this rumour it should be Green. Have not heard much about him till now and at least this rumour gets his name out there and maybe a team in the 1st bites...

[Raven]

Weird shot release
very weird, it seems like he forces himself to fade away every shot...

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

IMO the Spurs are going to draft a SG. I think it will be Snell or Ledo and the Spurs might move to draft them. If there are not there they will draft Jean Charles. Spurs need a SG that can create his own shot and take defenders off the dribble. Ledo espeically will instantly be able to provide that for the Spurs.

[Knoxxx]

Recent history of guards drafted in the first round:

2008 -- George Hill: standout defender, useful ranged shooter, picked at 26 and swapped for KL at #15 = successful pick.
2010 -- James Anderson: pure 2 guard who didn't pan out; not a combo guard in any useful sense.
2011 -- Cory Joseph: raw project combo guard. Year 1: redshirt year in Austin. Year 2: spent most of the year in Austin, then came up and promptly won the spot as Tony's backup. Solid NBA defender all the way through the conference finals, but ineffective vs. Miami. Year 3: ???

So Hill was a great success relative to where he was picked, Anderson wasn't a combo guard, and Joseph seems to be coming along ok given that he was a project pick.

The track record for second round picks is a lot shakier, but everyone's track record for second round picks is dicey at best. So if the Spurs think Erick Green can be a useful pick as a combo guard, the track record suggests that there's a perfectly good chance that he will be.

All I recall was Joseph and 1 against Bird Man in the game 3 route. What did he do that was so ineffective to get him benched? I missed that part tbh.

[King]

I'm surprised Kawhi was only able to do it 3 times considering he weigh's about 220.

Yeah, but he has a ridiculous arm length, which makes BP exponentially harder.

[K-State Spur]

If there is a "promise", it means that if he's on the board at 28, SA will take him. Players don't want to drop out of the first round, because their salary in the first round is guaranteed. Many would have withdrawn from the draft without that promise.

Which is why it is most likely this rumor is completely bogus (or smokescreen at most). Green just finished his senior year, he's in the draft one way or another - no reason for any team to promise him anything.

Maybe the Spurs like him & will take him, but almost certainly BS that they have a promise out to him.

[SpursChampsIII]

The thing that jumps out to me is his court speed...he can fly with the ball in his hands

[kobyz]

from the clip remind me a little cj watson, i understand he is nice overall scorer, but does he can run the point? what his assists and assists/TO numbers?

[ManuTastic]

Dunno anything about this guy, but as a general observation, expect every team to be more and more interested in distance shooters. Small ball is here to stay, just ask Haslem and Splitter (b/c, you know, they didn't get much PT). Frankly I think the Spurs' greatest need is a good backup PG--Parker got gassed from all the minutes and that slowed us down more than anything. Doubt if we'll get a good solution at #28 in the draft, tho.

[LakerHater]

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[tesseractive]

Dunno anything about this guy, but as a general observation, expect every team to be more and more interested in distance shooters. Small ball is here to stay, just ask Haslem and Splitter (b/c, you know, they didn't get much PT). Frankly I think the Spurs' greatest need is a good backup PG--Parker got gassed from all the minutes and that slowed us down more than anything. Doubt if we'll get a good solution at #28 in the draft, tho.
There's 3 possible solutions: (1) try to develop CoJo and/or Nando to be legit playoff-quality rotation players, (2) sign a free agent to play over the guys we're developing, (3) draft yet another prospect and start the development process over. Unless the FO has concluded that CoJo/Nando will never be able to get it done, the third option sounds like the worst one.

[rascal]

George Hill replacement. I can see the spurs going this way. The Spurs need another player who can handle the ball and take it to the basket. They need to stop using Manu as a pg and scale back his minutes overall and this pick will solve that.

[TD 21]

If true (I'm skeptical that there's a promise, but wouldn't be surprised if they do in fact take him, as he'd not only fill a need, but he sounds like Spurs material), I like it, for a myriad of reasons . . .

- Neal is probably gone, because I doubt they want to tie up $2-3M in him, but also, as we know, he can't play PG and playing him next to Ginobili forces Ginobili to spend too much time at SF.

- They'll need to replace his scoring off the bench; specifically, they need their backup PG to be a scorer and in theory, Green is an ideal fit next to Ginobili, as he can get his own shot, yet is also a good enough shooter to function as a spot up threat.

- Despite his lack of strength, he's long enough that, in tandem with Joseph, they should be able to get away with either defending SG's (Hill used to do it, Ellis has done it for years, Bradley currently does, etc.), when Ginobili inevitably get's his minimum 2 injuries . . . and this is getting way ahead obviously, but if he and Joseph establish themselves as rotation players, they could eventually work in tandem as the backup guards behind Parker/Green, when Ginobili retires in probably 2 years.

- Backup SF may look like a bigger hole on paper, but they at least have three quality wing players. Besides, if they like Casspi better than Bullock, Snell, etc. (neither of whom are true SF's, nor are the other candidates projected to be in that range), then it makes no sense to pick one of them.

- Some will inevitably quibble with not taking a player they can stash and eating up cap space, but all this would do is probably pave the way for them to either release De Colo to return to Europe or to trade him and he's slightly more expensive than the 28th pick will be.

[RD2191]

Kazemi is a 6'7 power forward? Tf.

[rascal]

Good God. This has smokescreen written all over it. What good would it do to draft yet another backup PG when Pop can't even develop one from the bunch he has?

I trust the Spurs are focusing more on adding more size in the frontcourt.

This guy looks much better than the scrubs the spurs have for backup pg.

[cd021]

According to nbadraft.net



Player page: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Erick-Green-16580/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WhzwLXF7fVA

Highly doubtful that the Spurs draft him, virtually no other sources have him any where on the Spurs radar. Tim Hardaway Jr. seems to be the favorite, at least in the eyes of many experts.

[SenorSpur]

This guy looks much better than the scrubs the spurs have for backup pg.

Maybe, but the Spurs have more pressing needs than the collective assortment of smalls at backup PG. The very thought of even wasting a pick to add yet another one is assinine.

[rascal]

Maybe, but the Spurs have more pressing needs than the collective assortment of smalls at backup PG. The very thought of even wasting a pick to add yet another one is assinine.

Nope. The spurs need two things, a good backup pg and another big. The spurs badly need a reliable pg. They lost the series because Pop did not trust the backup pgs on the roster and let Manu piss game 6 away and the 4th quarter of game 7 with turnovers.


The Spurs also need a big but drafting that late you are not going to find one. Better to target the other need in the draft.

[therealtruth]

The Spurs need to stop throwing picks away with undersized guards.

[rascal]

Highly doubtful that the Spurs draft him, virtually no other sources have him any where on the Spurs radar. Tim Hardaway Jr. seems to be the favorite, at least in the eyes of many experts.

Doubt Hardaway will be there when the Spurs draft. All the mock drafts I have seen he is gone before. What site did you see Hardaway going to the Spurs?

[therealtruth]

Nope. The spurs need two things, a good backup pg and another big. The spurs badly need a reliable pg. They lost the series because Pop did not trust the backup pgs on the roster and let Manu piss game 6 away and the 4th quarter of game 7 with turnovers.


The Spurs also need a big but drafting that late you are not going to find one. Better to target the other need in the draft.

I think TMac could be the solution at backup PG. They need someone to make the passes TP can't.

[rascal]

I think TMac could be the solution at backup PG. They need someone to make the passes TP can't.

TMac is finished and was never a pg. You think manu was bad with turnovers, just watch old TMac as a backup pg.

[cd021]

Doubt Hardaway will be there when the Spurs draft. All the mock drafts I have seen he is gone before. What site did you see Hardaway going to the Spurs?

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/mock-draft

I think I saw him at 28 on Bleacher report or SB nation a few days ago. Most of the sites i've seen has him in the 25-35 range. I also maybe confusing him with Rice Jr.

On the other hand Hardaway is listed as 20th to Chicago on Draft Express but doesn't appear in the1st round on both of CBS's last two mocks its insane how wildly things differ from one mock to another. On one mock I saw Golbert go at number 11 and another I saw OKC take him at #29.

[cd021]

TMac is finished and was never a pg. You think manu was bad with turnovers, just watch old TMac as a backup pg.

He played PG well his last 3 seasons. He is a natural passer. He'd be better in spot minutes for Kawhi. 12 mpg while Kawhi plays 36.

[cd021]

Maybe, but the Spurs have more pressing needs than the collective assortment of smalls at backup PG. The very thought of even wasting a pick to add yet another one is assinine.

We hav the oddest assortment of guards in the NBA.

Neal, Mills and De Colo are 2 guards or at best combo guards. Playing them at PG exclusively isn't a great idea.
Joseph is a true PG but has only played consistently in route to a finals appearence. He's either on the bench or lighting it up in the D league.

Mills return is odd and only adds to uncertainty of our backup pg/sg situations. De Colo shows promise, Joseph is entering his 3rd season which means he should be in line for consistent minutes. Neal is too valuable to just let walk but is flawed. He can score in bunches but cant play D.


Drafting a PG isn't ideal. Unless they are bigger guard, who can shoot and attack off the dribble.

[cd021]

If true (I'm skeptical that there's a promise, but wouldn't be surprised if they do in fact take him, as he'd not only fill a need, but he sounds like Spurs material), I like it, for a myriad of reasons . . .

- Neal is probably gone, because I doubt they want to tie up $2-3M in him, but also, as we know, he can't play PG and playing him next to Ginobili forces Ginobili to spend too much time at SF.

- They'll need to replace his scoring off the bench; specifically, they need their backup PG to be a scorer and in theory, Green is an ideal fit next to Ginobili, as he can get his own shot, yet is also a good enough shooter to function as a spot up threat.

- Despite his lack of strength, he's long enough that, in tandem with Joseph, they should be able to get away with either defending SG's (Hill used to do it, Ellis has done it for years, Bradley currently does, etc.), when Ginobili inevitably get's his minimum 2 injuries . . . and this is getting way ahead obviously, but if he and Joseph establish themselves as rotation players, they could eventually work in tandem as the backup guards behind Parker/Green, when Ginobili retires in probably 2 years.

- Backup SF may look like a bigger hole on paper, but they at least have three quality wing players. Besides, if they like Casspi better than Bullock, Snell, etc. (neither of whom are true SF's, nor are the other candidates projected to be in that range), then it makes no sense to pick one of them.

- Some will inevitably quibble with not taking a player they can stash and eating up cap space, but all this would do is probably pave the way for them to either release De Colo to return to Europe or to trade him and he's slightly more expensive than the 28th pick will be.

They will at least throw a qualifying offer at him its only $1.2 million. a 3 year $10 million deal would be good. But that who throw De Colo, and Josephs future in some doubt.

[TheGoldStandard]

They will at least throw a qualifying offer at him its only $1.2 million. a 3 year $10 million deal would be good. But that who throw De Colo, and Josephs future in some doubt.

I can understand the Spurs throwing that offer because he's been there but I'll be okay if he walks away. His defensive skill is lacking and this is an opportunity to get a better defensive SG

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

We have good PG's already. We need BIGS!

[timmy2003]

Reminds me of George Hill. I'd actually approve of us selecting him only if it meant we'd dump Joseph or else it'd be a redundant pick per par.
Hill was a good defender. Not sure about his defensive ability.

[SenorSpur]

Nope. The spurs need two things, a good backup pg and another big. The spurs badly need a reliable pg. They lost the series because Pop did not trust the backup pgs on the roster and let Manu piss game 6 away and the 4th quarter of game 7 with turnovers.


The Spurs also need a big but drafting that late you are not going to find one. Better to target the other need in the draft.

Corey Joseph looked to be the most reliable of the bunch, yet he regressed because Pop lost faith in his ability to run the offense. Hell, the guy is just in his second year and has to be given the chance to run the team. Therefore, the Spurs can ill afford to spend yet another first round pick on another backup PG. The rotation big is clearly the bigger priority.

[Marrow]

draft cheat sheet courtesy of the guys at the wagesofwins (link below)...prospects are grouped into 3 catergories

Great - picked by both of their statistical models (surefire prospects)
Good - picked by one of their statistical models (worth taking a gamble on)
Bust - self explanatory

http://wagesofwins.com/2013/06/27/20...e-cheat-sheet/ (http://wagesofwins.com/2013/06/27/2013-nba-draft-extravaganza-rev-3-eliminating-the-big-man-bias-the-euro-numbers-and-the-cheat-sheet/)

Highlights Erick Green as a potentially succesful prospect

[hooperflash]

Weird shot release

Similar to Westbrook.

[objective]

I've been watching some of his game replays on EPSN online and this kid is damn good. He's not some 25 year old, no passing inaccurate midget gunner like McClinton was. This guy has something legit to his game.

If the Spurs can get him, and develop his left hand and his finishing around the basket, I could see him being moved in another 'Kawhi-type-deal' in about 3 years.

For a player like him, on a bad team and with a green light, he's not selfish at all. The numbers prove it, but this guy does have point skills. He does pass, pretty well. Looks closer to a point guard than Hill did.

He's smaller than Neal, and about as bad a defender, and weaker, but I would love to see him drafted.

Now I don't even think he'll be available, but it is what it is.

[BatManu20]

I've been watching some of his game replays on EPSN online and this kid is damn good. He's not some 25 year old, no passing inaccurate midget gunner like McClinton was. This guy has something legit to his game.

If the Spurs can get him, and develop his left hand and his finishing around the basket, I could see him being moved in another 'Kawhi-type-deal' in about 3 years.

For a player like him, on a bad team and with a green light, he's not selfish at all. The numbers prove it, but this guy does have point skills. He does pass, pretty well. Looks closer to a point guard than Hill did.

He's smaller than Neal, and about as bad a defender, and weaker, but I would love to see him drafted.

Now I don't even think he'll be available, but it is what it is.

Almost every mock draft I've seen has him going in the 2nd round so why do you think he won't be available? I'm about 90% sure he will be available when we pick. Ans I'd much rather draft an athletic wing who can shoot the 3 then another backup PG project.

[MeloHype]

Another shit pick

[objective]

I say that as a pessimist. One of the hoopsworld guys has Green going to the Pacers in his final mock, and it makes sense, the Pacers had Green in for a 'secret' workout, or rather one that was unpublicized.

[objective]

Ans I'd much rather draft an athletic wing who can shoot the 3 then another backup PG project.

I'm about as sick of undersized combo guards as the next guy, and I'd love some athleticism on the wings too. That's a big reason I'd like to see Hanga brought over.

But I think Green can be a dynamic bench scorer who can fill in for Parker and push the ball, and run an offense instead of Manu better than Neal was doing. Manu can't be as effective as he used to be when acting the primary ball-handler when Parker is out or not playing well, and I could see this kid helping there if he's coached up enough.

[hooperflash]

George Hill replacement. I can see the spurs going this way. The Spurs need another player who can handle the ball and take it to the basket. They need to stop using Manu as a pg and scale back his minutes overall and this pick will solve that.

G.Hill comparison on point, he himself said so.

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2013/06/18/20130617-erick-green-profile.nba

[therealtruth]

G.Hill comparison on point, he himself said so.

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2013/06/18/20130617-erick-green-profile.nba

I don't want another guard with inconsistent play.

[Drom John]

There's no reason to promise an American a draft slot. Promises are to foreigners that you want to stay in the draft.

[Russ]

There's no reason to promise an American a draft slot. Promises are to foreigners that you want to stay in the draft.

Agree to some extent. But sometimes you want them to forego workouts with teams just above you in the draft.

[8FOR!3]

Is this guy any better of a player today than Cory Joseph? If not I don't like the pick at all.

I ask this bc I don't really know anything about him. He's listed at 6'3 185 that's basically a similar size as CoJo.

[Outlier]

Is this guy any better of a player today than Cory Joseph? If not I don't like the pick at all.

I ask this bc I don't really know anything about him. He's listed at 6'3 185 that's basically a similar size as CoJo.

Yes, he is. Way more offensively competent.

[Chinook]

Develop Joseph. Cory has the tools to be a better offensive player than he is. He's already a competent finisher, and he can shoot pretty well. Maybe letting him run the team during the summer league and giving him the green light will help be less passive.

[rascal]

Is this guy any better of a player today than Cory Joseph? If not I don't like the pick at all.

I ask this bc I don't really know anything about him. He's listed at 6'3 185 that's basically a similar size as CoJo.

Yes he is better. Much faster and has a quicker release and a better shot overall.

[tesseractive]

Develop Joseph. Cory has the tools to be a better offensive player than he is. He's already a competent finisher, and he can shoot pretty well. Maybe letting him run the team during the summer league and giving him the green light will help be less passive.
Do you think he will ever be effective running the team, or is he always going to be more of a scorer who needs to be paired with another ball handler to be fully effective?

[jjktkk]

I don't want another guard with inconsistent play.

So what exactly are you expecting with the 28th pick?

[Chinook]

Do you think he will ever be effective running the team, or is he always going to be more of a scorer who needs to be paired with another ball handler to be fully effective?

I think he can be effective in the Spurs' system. Parker doesn't really run the offense so much as the offense feeds off his aggression. A lot of times, Duncan or even Green would initiate plays, and Parker would just wait to get the ball for a mid-range. Why can't Joseph learn to do that? He's very fast and quick, and he's a good enough shooter to develop a mid-range game. I think the team should commit to him being the full-time backup and prioritizing him learning to play Parker's role in the offense. If anything, letting Ginobili dominate the ball for the second unit has hurt his growth.

That's different than it would be in the summer league, where most of the players would not know the system (by lack of experience and by design). Cory would have to get others involved and get his own shot more often. He's shown the tools to do that, although it would be interesting to see how he handles kick-outs when players aren't always in the best position to get the pass like the actual Spurs players tend to be.

[jjktkk]

I think he can be effective in the Spurs' system. Parker doesn't really run the offense so much as the offense feeds off his aggression. A lot of times, Duncan or even Green would initiate plays, and Parker would just wait to get the ball for a mid-range. Why can't Joseph learn to do that? He's very fast and quick, and he's a good enough shooter to develop a mid-range game. I think the team should commit to him being the full-time backup and prioritizing him learning to play Parker's role in the offense. If anything, letting Ginobili dominate the ball for the second unit has hurt his growth.

That's different than it would be in the summer league, where most of the players would not know the system (by lack of experience and by design). Cory would have to get others involved and get his own shot more often. He's shown the tools to do that, although it would be interesting to see how he handles kick-outs when players aren't always in the best position to get the pass like the actual Spurs players tend to be.

This will be a great opportunity for Joseph to continue to evolve into a complete pg, who makes plays on both ends of the court.

[DesignatedT]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Virginia Tech's Erick Green made a second trip into San Antonio to workout recently, sources tell Y! He's one of draft's better scorers.
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[Baam]

:lol well pretty much confirmed, doesn't get more reliable than Woj for this kind of stuff

[RD2191]

Fuck, we need Ledo.

[benefactor]

They better not draft this fucking midget.

[RD2191]

I mean if both Ledo and Snell are gone then I wouldn't mind but we need a sg who can create his own shot.

[benefactor]

I'd rather stash the pick then draft a Gary Neal replacement. The Spurs have a backup point.

[Baam]

Pop and the seven dwarfs.

Has there ever been a coach that loves midgets so much? How many backup PG on the roster for him to be satisfied?

[DesignatedT]

RC is the GM.

[SpursSerb]

I wonder what were the comments when the Spurs drafted George Hill?

[benefactor]

I wonder what were the comments when the Spurs drafted George Hill?
No one knew who he was, but after a little research everyone was excited.

[mencken]

I wonder what were the comments when the Spurs drafted George Hill?

Overwhelmingly negative. People around here were upset that players like Chalmers and CDR were still on the board and the Spurs picked some no-name from some no-name school in Indiana.

[K-State Spur]

I wonder what were the comments when the Spurs drafted George Hill?

Fair amount of meltdowns. Many felt we should have taken Chalmers if we were going for a combo guard. Some felt that way even up to the point that he was traded (even though Miami would trade Chalmers + value for Hill in a heartbeat if given the opportunity).

[benefactor]

I forgot about the initial Chalmers meltdown...:lol. Spur fan warmed up to him pretty quick though.

[loveforthegame]

I'm not against the pick exactly. There are things to like about him.

I just believe there will be better options available.

[MannyIsGod]

Looks like yet another pick that the spurs will throw away. Other than Kawhi, Hill and Blair, the Spurs have picked duds for awhile now. If I'm a player that gets drafted by the Spurs, I'd be worried that I won't even get a fair chance to be successful for the Spurs.

LOL You realize that you just named 3 players - one a 2nd rounder - who have all been great picks in the past 5 years? Do you realize that you left off Corey Joseph who is definitely showing signs and was a late 1st rounder? Do you realize that the Spurs drafted Tiago Splitter the year before Hill? You also left off Nando as a 2nd round pick which has turned into a serviceable player.

This post I'm quoting is a prime example at how fucking utterly stupid and spoiled Spursfan is. I challenge you to find a team picking as late in the draft as the Spurs over that period who has had as much success finding NBA players.

[wildbill2u]

It always hard to assess these 'highlight' videos. That being said...
Looks like he can:
Stop and shoot; shoot off screens; passes pretty good.

Looks like he can't:
Finish at the rim; defend against screens and P&R.

Hard to tell if he could fill the backup PG role, but apparently played the position some in college so he'd come in ahead of where Neal was as a rookie. Probably too short at 6'1" but looks like the league is trending going smaller.

I dunno. Didn't knock my socks off but at the 29th pick you're making a reach at best. That's why we've usually gone for foreign players because they don't get a guarantee and can be stashed overseas.

I'm not looking for any really exciting news with our pick.

[MannyIsGod]

Doesn't make sense to pick a PG with Corey Joseph around. There's no one out there who is going to be a sure - or even good - bet to be better.

[yavozerb]

It always hard to assess these 'highlight' videos. That being said...
Looks like he can:
Stop and shoot; shoot off screens; passes pretty good.

Looks like he can't:
Finish at the rim; defend against screens and P&R.

Hard to tell if he could fill the backup PG role, but apparently played the position some in college so he'd come in ahead of where Neal was as a rookie. Probably too short at 6'1" but looks like the league is trending going smaller.

I dunno. Didn't knock my socks off but at the 29th pick you're making a reach at best. That's why we've usually gone for foreign players because they don't get a guarantee and can be stashed overseas.

I'm not looking for any really exciting news with our pick.

1st off Green was measured at 6'3 in shoes at the combine which is not bad at the pg spot (small for sg though). In my opinion I would much rather have a scorer come off the bench for TP than a defender. I am not defending the Green pick but if the spurs feel like he will be a discounted version of Neal then I am all for it. I just cannot see Cojo becoming a pg who can increase his offensive game enough to play big minutes if needed.

[ChumpDumper]

Doesn't make sense to pick a PG with Corey Joseph around. There's no one out there who is going to be a sure - or even good - bet to be better.True, they should sign a last legs vet PG for insurance, but there are so many people still under contract.

[Bruno]

Spurs will have a quality backup PG next season with Joseph. I don't see the point of drafting Green so I don't buy that rumor.

[objective]

I was one of those people freaking out about Hill over CDR. But I didn't know anything about Hill. After I researched I cooled down and came around on Hill.

With Green I was able to watch about 4 of Green's ACC games last night through the ESPN Xbox app. The guy has everything but a left hand at the rim and defense, but both could be be coached up. Passing, shooting, pick & roll, transition, early offense, off the dribble, off curls, spot up, catch & shoot, end-of-shot-clock rush shots, drawing fouls, court vision for passing off the pick- he's got everyone covered, no tunnel vision, low dribble. He has an incredible work ethic, and solid character. The work he's put into his game in a volatile situation like VT has had, with bad players and suspect coaching around him, speak incredibly highly for his future with good players and great player development coaching around him. He's a gym rat and the stories told of his ethic during the games added to the results were what anyone would want.

I'll have my fingers crossed for him.

[spurtech09]

I was one of those people freaking out about Hill over CDR. But I didn't know anything about Hill. After I researched I cooled down and came around on Hill.

With Green I was able to watch about 4 of Green's ACC games last night through the ESPN Xbox app. The guy has everything but a left hand at the rim and defense, but both could be be coached up. Passing, shooting, pick & roll, transition, early offense, off the dribble, off curls, spot up, catch & shoot, end-of-shot-clock rush shots, drawing fouls, court vision for passing off the pick- he's got everyone covered, no tunnel vision, low dribble. He has an incredible work ethic, and solid character. The work he's put into his game in a volatile situation like VT has had, with bad players and suspect coaching around him, speak incredibly highly for his future with good players and great player development coaching around him. He's a gym rat and the stories told of his ethic during the games added to the results were what anyone would want.

I'll have my fingers crossed for him.sounds good to me...don't know what all the fuss is about....green sounds like an all around good player to me

[playblair]

I was one of those people freaking out about Hill over CDR. But I didn't know anything about Hill. After I researched I cooled down and came around on Hill.

With Green I was able to watch about 4 of Green's ACC games last night through the ESPN Xbox app. The guy has everything but a left hand at the rim and defense, but both could be be coached up. Passing, shooting, pick & roll, transition, early offense, off the dribble, off curls, spot up, catch & shoot, end-of-shot-clock rush shots, drawing fouls, court vision for passing off the pick- he's got everyone covered, no tunnel vision, low dribble. He has an incredible work ethic, and solid character. The work he's put into his game in a volatile situation like VT has had, with bad players and suspect coaching around him, speak incredibly highly for his future with good players and great player development coaching around him. He's a gym rat and the stories told of his ethic during the games added to the results were what anyone would want.

I'll have my fingers crossed for him.

green will be a steal.............

[TheyCallMePro]

Watched the whole video...pretty much every highlight was in transition. The NBA game is a lot slower than college. The reality is that he's a 6'3 two-guard. He's going to be like Danny Green except without the defense.

Would be very disappointed if we drafted him. He has heart, and I know he can score, but he couldn't play back-up pg (which we desperately need) and he's just a liability defensively. He would have to transition to playing off the ball...and become a spot up shooter. Why not get somebody taller if that's the case...I just don't understand the Spurs...

And if we draft him then were definitely going all out to keep freakin Tiago Splitter. Seriously think this is a bad move. This guy simply doesn't have enough tangibles to help us win a title. Either get size on the wing, a big man, or a true back-up PG like Wolters or don't get anybody and just trade the goddamn 1st round pick so you don't have to give a guaranteed contract.

One other thing. Why the hell wouldn't we trade this pick to the second round and then draft Green if that's what were going to do? Nobody else is going to take him until the middle of the second round. I mean I'm praying that someone picks this guy up before we do but I know it's not gunna happen. I think for once the rest of the NBA is right about a player and were the one's this time who are wrong.

[Baam]

Spurs will have a quality backup PG next season with Joseph. I don't see the point of drafting Green so I don't buy that rumor.

Woj is the most reliable source in the nba, if he says they worked him out twice I fully believe it.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

^Don't count on the Spurs drafting anybody anyone says they're likely to draft.

When they said "Cory Joseph", I was like.. who?

[Bruno]

Woj is the most reliable source in the nba, if he says they worked him out twice I fully believe it.

There is a big gap between working out a player twice an making a promise. If Woj said it, it's quite a given he worked out twice but I don't buy Spurs tying their hands by having made a promise.
Green has worked out for 17 teams. I don't see the point for Spurs to make a promise to a player that all the other teams have seen.

[MannyIsGod]

More than likely Green's camp trying to drum up interest and avoid their client falling out of the 1st. Seriously pretty much never hear about the Spurs promising a player.

[Baam]

There is a big gap between working out a player twice an making a promise. If Woj said it, it's quite a given he worked out twice but I don't buy Spurs tying their hands by having made a promise.
Green has worked out for 17 teams. I don't see the point for Spurs to make a promise to a player that all the other teams have seen.

Oh I agree completely with you then.

[objective]

Watched the whole video...pretty much every highlight was in transition. The NBA game is a lot slower than college. The reality is that he's a 6'3 two-guard. He's going to be like Danny Green except without the defense.

Would be very disappointed if we drafted him. He has heart, and I know he can score, but he couldn't play back-up pg (which we desperately need) and he's just a liability defensively. He would have to transition to playing off the ball...and become a spot up shooter. Why not get somebody taller if that's the case...I just don't understand the Spurs...

And if we draft him then were definitely going all out to keep freakin Tiago Splitter. Seriously think this is a bad move. This guy simply doesn't have enough tangibles to help us win a title. Either get size on the wing, a big man, or a true back-up PG like Wolters or don't get anybody and just trade the goddamn 1st round pick so you don't have to give a guaranteed contract.

One other thing. Why the hell wouldn't we trade this pick to the second round and then draft Green if that's what were going to do? Nobody else is going to take him until the middle of the second round. I mean I'm praying that someone picks this guy up before we do but I know it's not gunna happen. I think for once the rest of the NBA is right about a player and were the one's this time who are wrong.

He's not just a transition player. He's good in the half-court. He runs the pick&roll pretty well. For himself to score and others. And not just the roll man, his vision and passing skills mean he can pass out and over to three point shooters, or in to a big man. He's a lot more 'point guard' than George Hill was.

I have no idea about a 'promise', and I doubt it happened. But for where they're picking in the draft, going bpa is a fair choice. And if he is the bpa, then you take him, regardless of duplication.

Anyone they pick probably won't rise above 12th man or d-league assignment next year anyway, and I could see Green with the Spurs development system becoming a useful asset like Hill was.

[timvp]

At 28, you draft whoever you think is an NBA player -- even if it's a 6-foot-3 combo guard who isn't exactly a great fit.

[timtonymanu]

damn timvp, why that avatar?

[TheyCallMePro]

He's not just a transition player. He's good in the half-court. He runs the pick&roll pretty well. For himself to score and others. And not just the roll man, his vision and passing skills mean he can pass out and over to three point shooters, or in to a big man. He's a lot more 'point guard' than George Hill was.

I have no idea about a 'promise', and I doubt it happened. But for where they're picking in the draft, going bpa is a fair choice. And if he is the bpa, then you take him, regardless of duplication.

Anyone they pick probably won't rise above 12th man or d-league assignment next year anyway, and I could see Green with the Spurs development system becoming a useful asset like Hill was.

I could see him fitting into the spurs system, sure. But he won't ever be a difference maker for us. Especially not with this core of guys in the twilight of their careers. A big man or a wing with size could help this team immediately...the biggest issue I have with taking this guy is that we just don't need him right now. Unless somehow he can play back-up PG...which I just don't see happening because the PG in the Spurs system basically runs the offense. And I've seen Green play at VT a lot being a die-hard college basketball fan. He really struggles finding open teammates and is definitely NOT an elite ball handler. This feels like a wasted pick. It will be to simply replace Gary Neal. And Gary Neal is better than him.

[RD2191]

Timvp going emo.

[Maddog]

Manu's Bald Spot (Argentina)

Have you heard any Spurs related rumors?
Chad Ford (1:54 PM)

No. And if I did, I wouldn't believe them. The Spurs are the quietest team in the league. Rudy Gobert seems like a really good fit if he's on the board. Ditto for Mike Muscala of Bucknell.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/48342

[TheGreatYacht]

Develop Joseph. Cory has the tools to be a better offensive player than he is. He's already a competent finisher, and he can shoot pretty well. Maybe letting him run the team during the summer league and giving him the green light will help be less passive.http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/cory_joseph/

[TheGreatYacht]

LOL You realize that you just named 3 players - one a 2nd rounder - who have all been great picks in the past 5 years? Do you realize that you left off Corey Joseph who is definitely showing signs and was a late 1st rounder? Do you realize that the Spurs drafted Tiago Splitter the year before Hill? You also left off Nando as a 2nd round pick which has turned into a serviceable player.

This post I'm quoting is a prime example at how fucking utterly stupid and spoiled Spursfan is. I challenge you to find a team picking as late in the draft as the Spurs over that period who has had as much success finding NBA players.Have we found another good player like Manu or Tony Parker that can lead us to a championship outside of Kawhi Leonard? No so STFU.

[ChumpDumper]

Have we found another good player like Manu or Tony Parker that can lead us to a championship outside of Kawhi Leonard? No so STFU.Is this a serious post?

[mencken]

Have we found another good player like Manu or Tony Parker that can lead us to a championship outside of Kawhi Leonard? No so STFU.

Do you know how many teams outside of the Spurs have found players of that caliber at any position in the draft? Not very many.

Especially as the 57th and 28th pick, those kind of players are once in a lifetime.

[ChumpDumper]

:cry The Spurs haven't found franchise level potential in the draft since two years ago! :cry

[TheGreatYacht]

Is this a serious post?
Do you know how many teams outside of the Spurs have found players of that caliber at any position in the draft? Not very many.

Especially as the 57th and 28th pick, those kind of players are once in a lifetime.
:cry The Spurs haven't found franchise level potential in the draft since two years ago! :cryLearn how to read you morons. "Have we found another good player like Manu or Tony Parker that can lead us to a championship outside of Kawhi Leonard? No, so STFU. That's right. Where is Dejuan Blair now? Where is George Hill now? LOL @ Tiago Splitter getting blocked by midgets. Nando... LMAO @ a guy who bitc*es about his minutes. He's going into Pop's dog house that's for sure or he's out of SA. Just ask Malik Rose, Dejan Blair, and S Jax what happens when you complain about minutes to Pop. You guys are the true definition of Homers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mri8jAZaP0I

[-21-]

At 28, you draft whoever you think is an NBA player -- even if it's a 6-foot-3 combo guard who isn't exactly a great fit.
Out of subject but timvp, your avatar is depressing.:depressed

[ChumpDumper]

Learn how to read you morons. "Have we found another good player like Manu or Tony Parker that can lead us to a championship outside of Kawhi Leonard? No so STFU.Yeah, I read it right.

My post stands, your meltdown makes it better tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

Yeah, I read it right.

My post stands, your meltdown makes it better tbh.So does mine. Your response makes me laugh. Nice comeback.

[ChumpDumper]

So does mine. Your response makes me laugh. Nice comeback.OK, show me an example of a team that drafts players who leads teams to championships from the Spurs' draft position for 17 years.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL perfect example of idiotic Spursfan in action here, TBH.

[ChumpDumper]

If this idiot is smart enough to be able to find the draft histories of championship teams (a stretch), he will abandon his draft rants pretty quickly.

[TheGreatYacht]

OK, show me an example of a team that drafts players who leads teams to championships from the Spurs' draft position for 17 years.LMAO at you acting like TP and Manu won us those championships when it was mainly because of Tim Duncan. Marc Gasol 2007 48th Pick, Rasard Lewis 1998 32nd Pick, Monta Ellis 2005 40th Pick, Nick Van Exel 1993 37th Pick, Michael Redd 2000 43rd Pick, Carlos Boozer 2002 35th Pick, and Gilbert Arenas 2001 30th Pick. Of course none of these guys were fortunate enough to have a Tim Duncan by their side.
LOL perfect example of idiotic Spursfan in action here, TBH.Yeah speak for yourself. Your username tells me enough.

[ChumpDumper]

LMAO at you acting like TP and Manu won us those championships when it was mainly because of Tim Duncan.Then why did you bring these players up in the first place?
Marc Gasol 2007 48th Pick, Rasard Lewis 1998 32nd Pick, Monta Ellis 2005 40th Pick, Nick Van Exel 1993 37th Pick, Michael Redd 2000 43rd Pick, Carlos Boozer 2002 35th Pick, and Gilbert Arenas 2001 30th Pick.So how many of these players led their teams to championships per your quoted requirements?

[MannyIsGod]

Have we found another good player like Manu or Tony Parker that can lead us to a championship outside of Kawhi Leonard? No so STFU.


LMAO at you acting like TP and Manu won us those championships when it was mainly because of Tim Duncan.


:lol

[tesseractive]

Spurs will have a quality backup PG next season with Joseph. I don't see the point of drafting Green so I don't buy that rumor.
Do you think there's any chance that they're looking at trading Joseph and playing DeColo? You could definitely play a 6'3" scorer if you had DeColo running the point.

[benefactor]

Well this thread turned into a meltdown thread in a hurry.

[MannyIsGod]

Do you think there's any chance that they're looking at trading Joseph and playing DeColo? You could definitely play a 6'3" scorer if you had DeColo running the point.

CoJo has no real trade value. Tiny contract and unproven talent.

[ChumpDumper]

Yachtie, you do realize your basic argument is you are upset that the Spurs, by your definition and judgment, only had two of the nine greatest draft steals in the last twenty years, right?

[TheGreatYacht]

Then why did you bring these players up in the first place?So how many of these players led their teams to championships per your quoted requirements?Tim Duncan is the GOAT Power Forward. TP and Manu (was) are great players but everything revolved around Tim Duncan. Also championships are team accomplishments so to say that a select few players are responsible for winning it all is absurd. Bottom line is that without Tim Duncan, TP and Manu would probably have ZERO championships and would probably be considered as good as that list I mentioned. TP and Manu would not be HoFers without Tim Duncan.
Yachtie, you do realize your basic argument is you are upset that the Spurs, by your definition and judgment, only had two of the nine greatest draft steals in the last twenty years, right?Who said I was upset? You sure are the best at misinterpreting and putting words in people's mouth.

[ChumpDumper]

Tim Duncan is the GOAT Power Forward. TP and Manu (was) are great players but everything revolved around Tim Duncan. Also championships are team accomplishments so to say that a select few players are responsible for winning it all is absurd. Bottom line is that without Tim Duncan, TP and Manu would probably have ZERO championships and would probably be considered as good as that list I mentioned. TP and Manu would not be HoFers without Tim Duncan.So you're upset that the Spurs have not drafted another Tim Duncan in the late first round?

What are you trying to say here?

[benefactor]

Spur fan is still in blindly emotional, scorned ex-girlfriend mode. They can't even remember any of the playoffs or the season. All they can do is watch Game 6 on the DVR over and over while wiping away tears with their free Game 5 t-shirt.
:wakeup

[TheGreatYacht]

[:wakeup

[ChumpDumper]

LOL I've never attended a Spurs game in my life. I live like 2 hours away from SA.Far outside of BMX bike range.

[benefactor]

Analogy still applies tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

Originally Posted by benefactor (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6709282#post6709282) Spur fan is still in blindly emotional, scorned ex-girlfriend mode. They can't even remember any of the playoffs or the season. All they can do is watch Game 6 on the DVR over and over while wiping away tears with their free Game 5 t-shirt.
LOL I've never attended a Spurs game in my life. I live like 2 hours away from SA. Too far away. BTW I was going to upload every Spurs win of the NBA Finals on Youtube but after Pop and Manu blew it in Game 6, I deleted the games off my hard drive.

[ChumpDumper]

The Spurs appreciate your refraining from breaking copyright law.

[benefactor]

LOL I've never attended a Spurs game in my life. I live like 2 hours away from SA. Too far away. BTW I was going to upload every Spurs win of the NBA Finals on Youtube but after Pop and Manu blew it in Game 6, I deleted the games off my hard drive.
:cry:cry:cry

Did you cut yourself too?

[TheGreatYacht]

The Spurs appreciate your refraining from breaking copyright law.Naw dude, I'm not a retard like yourself. I know how to edit stuff.

[ChumpDumper]

Naw dude, I'm not a retard like yourself. I know how to edit stuff.Uh, OK -- explain how you would edit every Spurs win of the finals in a way that would not violate copyright law.

[tesseractive]

CoJo has no real trade value. Tiny contract and unproven talent.
A tiny contract is great if we're talking about a package in something like a T-Rob trade through a 3rd party team under the cap, or paired with Bonner in some kind of larger deal.

I agree that he doesn't have a ton of value, but he did okay as a backup defensive specialist all through the Western Conference playoffs, and there's more potential there, so I could see some team wanting him thrown in as a condition for a larger deal.

Besides, even if we don't trade him, we could choose to start DeColo ahead of him.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL I've never attended a Spurs game in my life. I live like 2 hours away from SA. Too far away. BTW I was going to upload every Spurs win of the NBA Finals on Youtube but after Pop and Manu blew it in Game 6, I deleted the games off my hard drive.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

So much hilarity in this one post.

[MannyIsGod]

Naw dude, I'm not a retard like yourself. I know how to edit stuff.

LOL!!!

[MannyIsGod]

Every post this guy makes is comedic gold.

[TheGreatYacht]

"We all have over 20,000 posts on Spurstalk therefore we know more basketball than any of these morons on the forums. Lets go trash the TheGreatYacht." - MannyIsGod, ChumpDumper, and benefactor :rollin:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

"We all have over 20,000 posts on Spurstalk therefore we know more basketball than any of these morons on the forums. Lets go trash the TheGreatYacht." - MannyIsGod, ChumpDumper, and benefactor :rollin:lmaoI asked you a question about copyright law.

[MannyIsGod]

You're doing a fine job of trashing yourself, actually. Don't worry though - much like video you had huge plans for from your small town hell - you can delete it.

[monkeypunk]

Far outside of BMX bike range.

:rollin

[TheGreatYacht]

You three are the true definition of Spurs homers. Don't you'll belong on SR and not on ST?

[TheGreatYacht]

I asked you a question about copyright law.:lmao if you think I'm gonna tell you.

[ChumpDumper]

You three are the true definition of Spurs homers. Don't you'll belong on SR and not on ST?I'm still trying to understand what you are so pissed off about here.

And the YouTube editing -- I'm sure I'm not the only one who's wondering about that.

[MannyIsGod]

Laughing at your idiocy makes me a homer? K.

[ElNono]

Far outside of BMX bike range.

crofl

[DesignatedT]

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao if you think I'm gonna tell you.I absolutely don't think you are going to tell anyone how you can post a Spurs game on YouTube without breaking copyright law.

[TheGreatYacht]

I'm still trying to understand what you are so pissed off about here.

And the YouTube editing -- I'm sure I'm not the only one who's wondering about that.:bang You mad bro ? Stop making a mockery of yourself.

[ChumpDumper]

:bang You mad bro ? Stop making a mockery of yourself.You're the one who can't answer simple questions about your own claims.

I'm making a mockery of you for that.

[TheGreatYacht]

I absolutely don't think you are going to tell anyone how you can post a Spurs game on YouTube without breaking copyright law.Ok let me give my Youtube channel and right a Dummie's guide for Youtube.

[TheGreatYacht]

Damn there's already 2 pages of you guys trying to shut me up. SMH... shame on you.

[Baam]

Chumper getting into ridiculous arguments per par.

But has absolutely zero basketball takes and can't admit that his God made a mistake, and an historical one at that.

[TheGreatYacht]

Chumper getting into ridiculous arguments per par.
But has absolutely zero basketball takes and can't admit that his God made a mistake, and an historical one at that.I know right?

Just remember this: "We all have over 20,000 posts on Spurstalk therefore we know more basketball than any of these morons on the forums. Lets go trash the TheGreatYacht." - MannyIsGod, ChumpDumper, and benefactor
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[TE]

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Damn there's already 2 pages of you guys trying to shut me up. SMH... shame on you.On the contrary, I want you to post more and more.

[ChumpDumper]

Chumper getting into ridiculous arguments per par.

But has absolutely zero basketball takes.My take here is that the Spurs have quite a good draft history in the RC/Pop era -- pretty much the best of all teams in that consistent draft position.

I have seen no arguments to the contrary. Would you like to try? You can use other screen names it that is more comfortable for you.

[TheGreatYacht]

On the contrary, I want you to post more and more.No thanks. I don't want to feel like a loser and have over +75K posts. I'll pass.

[ChumpDumper]

No thanks. I don't want to feel like a loser and have over +75K posts. I'll pass.So you want to shut yourself up?

You still have yet to make an actual coherent basketball post in this thread. Keep trying.

[TheGreatYacht]

So you want to shut yourself up?

You still have yet to make an actual coherent basketball post in this thread. Keep trying.Look who's talking... a guy that reads every single post on Spurstalk with the hopes of finding a hater to defend Pop and Manu from their great choke artistry. - Homer

[ChumpDumper]

Look who's talking... a guy that reads every single post on Spurstalk with the hopes of finding a hater to defend Pop and Manu from their great choke artistry. - HomerSo you are posting more.

Go ahead and tell us what is making you upset about the Spurs draft history.

Of course, if you just want to make this thread about me, I don't think Avante will stop you.

[LakerHater]

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[benefactor]

:lol Green
:lol trying to drum up interest
:lol out of the first round anyway

[timvp]

Smokescreen after the LJC news hit the press?

Prolly.

[playblair]

Smokescreen after the LJC news hit the press?

Prolly.

no...... the promise was true....... confirmed by erick green family member ...........

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[elemento]

Oh shit that's funny

I am happy SA did not get him. Not a bad player, but SA doesn't need another Marcus Denmon/Gary Neal