How To Convert An Atheist To Christianity

[Koolaid_Man]

Let them start fucking around with the occult and devil worship...they will start calling on god for help in no time. They will find out quick the spirit world does exist...the difference with god is he doesn't manifest himself in such wicked ways.

[redzero]

Sorry, but I don't believe in the occult or Satan (obviously) either. I also don't believe in Big Foot, The Loch Mess Monster, El Chupacabra, Santa Claus, The Tooth Fairy, etc.

[CuckingFunt]

Let them start fucking around with the occult and devil worship...they will start calling on god for help in no time. They will find out quick the spirit world does exist...the difference with god is he doesn't manifest himself in such wicked ways.

If they start taking an interest in the occult or worshiping Satan, they're not atheists.

[Avante]

Sorry, but I don't believe in the occult or Satan (obviously) either. I also don't believe in Big Foot, The Loch Mess Monster, El Chupacabra, Santa Claus, The Tooth Fairy, etc.

It's when we start seeing people killed over a belief. When we see...In God We Trust...Praise God...I Swear To Go...One Nation Under God...So Help Me God...and millions of places to worship that we have to ask ourselves...how can so many people be wrong?

You are among 3-5% of Americans who don't believe in some superior being, you do know that...right?

Comparing that to fables....come on man. Who worships Bigfoot, how many wars have been fought overr the Tooth Fairy?

[redzero]

It's when we start seeing people killed over a belief. When we see...In God We Trust...Praise God...I Swear To Go...One Nation Under God...So Help Me God...and millions of places to worship that we have to ask ourselves...how can so many people be wrong?

You are among 3-5% of Americans who don't believe in some superior being, you do know that...right?

Comparing that to fables....come on man. Who worships Bigfoot, how many wars have been fought overr the Tooth Fairy?

You can't have it both ways, faggot. The majority think The Clash is a good band, so, using your own reasoning, that must be true.

Now here comes the part when you pick and choose when popular opinion matters.

[Blake]

The Clash?

[TeyshaBlue]

http://www.topsecretwriters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/falling-off-flat-earth.jpg

[redzero]

The Clash?

I'm using an example of how Avante only uses majority opinion when it helps his argument.

[Avante]

You can't have it both ways, faggot. The majority think The Clash is a good band, so, using your own reasoning, that must be true.

Now here comes the part when you pick and choose when popular opinion matters.

Actually most music lovers don't even know who The Clash are.

You are in the minority for a reason. Most people don't want to live their life like you do.

Look guy it's real obvious, you weren't raised properly, and that isn't your fault. And I do feel sorry for you and that tiny % others who agree with you. Talk to some intelligent people, get out more. I think you can still rise above your ignorance.

[mercos]

It's when we start seeing people killed over a belief. When we see...In God We Trust...Praise God...I Swear To Go...One Nation Under God...So Help Me God...and millions of places to worship that we have to ask ourselves...how can so many people be wrong?

You are among 3-5% of Americans who don't believe in some superior being, you do know that...right?

Comparing that to fables....come on man. Who worships Bigfoot, how many wars have been fought overr the Tooth Fairy?

Actually, the number is closer to 20% and is the fastest growing "belief" system.

[Koolaid_Man]

If they start taking an interest in the occult or worshiping Satan, they're not atheists.

all I'm saying is that if he wants proof of a spirit world all he gotta do is starting fuckin around with that shit and he'll have his proof...for the bad...:lol

[Rogue]

It's hard to believe that in a country that has sent its men to the moon and machines to the Mars multiple times, the majority of people are still believing in the existence of occult or a God in a heaven. The modern form of God is more like an imaginarily perfect human figure (like my goddess Scarlett), a general belief in rightfulness and humanity. Only good people believe in God these days, which means that God has lost the deterring power towards the thugs. In ancient times people feared getting punished after their deaths, while thugs don't scruple to do crimes nowadays because they know there doesn't exist such a thing like afterlife.

[Avante]

Actually, the number is closer to 20% and is the fastest growing "belief" system.

Show me where you got that 20%.

[Blake]

"....in the United States, 73 percent of those polled said they were religious in 2005. In 2012, it declined by 13 percent, to 60 percent.Globally, those claiming to be religious, dropped by 9 percent, while atheism rose by 3 percent."

http://m.christianpost.com/news/china-dominates-worlds-atheist-map-religiosity-declining-in-us--96680/


The more educated the population becomes......

[silverblk mystix]

Both sides blind...both think they see something the other one doesn't...

Priceless.

[Blake]

Both sides blind...both think they see something the other one doesn't...

Priceless.

that makes no sense.

Worthless.

[Avante]

More Than 9 in 10 Americans Continue to Believe in GodProfessed belief is lower among younger Americans, Easterners, and liberalsby Frank Newport
PRINCETON, NJ -- More than 9 in 10 Americans still say "yes" when asked the basic question "Do you believe in God?"; this is down only slightly from the 1940s, when Gallup first asked this question.

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/pz5ko_z5ru-dwvlupny5nw.gif

[Avante]

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[angrydude]

I'm pretty sure there is a direct correlation between how smart people think they are and atheism.

[Clipper Nation]

More Than 9 in 10 Americans Continue to Believe in God
80% of Americans think aliens are real
37% of Americans think haunted houses are real
21% of Americans think witchcraft is real
1 in 4 Americans think we became independent from a country other than England
20% of Americans think the sun revolves around the Earth
9 out of 10 young Americans can't find Afghanistan on a map
100% of your posts are pure faggotry

[Rogue]

the so-called "science" has encouraged more and more people to start desrespecting the power of mother nature, which's already caused some serious results in recent years, like air populltion, global warming, wild animals dying out etc... but there're still too many phenomena in nature that are beyond the ability of our current scientific knowledge to explain, like how an UFO works, how come the continents are moving towards the north pole rather than southwards, and why the left side of each tire often endures more friction than the other side? I've seen some connections between these phenomena and I can spend a few hours writing an article to explain the whole thing but who's gonna give a shit? How long has the duchess been pregant, or who's gonna be the next lucky guy to marry my goddess Scarlett... those are the things that most people are concerned about.

I don't have a doctorate's degree in physics or geology so the scholars wouldn't give me a shit either, not to say I haven't found any existing theory or knowledge to base my discovery on. Those motherfuckers are obstinate and venal, they only make a living in the area they "specialize" in just like a cashier or a retailor. Are there any "scientists" who genuinely love the job they do? yes, there're are some, but they're so rare in this society that you must be extremely lucky to come across one or two of them in your life time.

[Avante]

80% of Americans think aliens are real
37% of Americans think haunted houses are real
21% of Americans think witchcraft is real
1 in 4 Americans think we became independent from a country other than England
20% of Americans think the sun revolves around the Earth
9 out of 10 young Americans can't find Afghanistan on a map
100% of your posts are pure faggotry

And everyone here thinks....why does Clipper Nation follow Avante around, poor little freak. Why does Avante even talk to him, hmmmm?...out of pity?

[AaronY]

More Than 9 in 10 Americans Continue to Believe in God

Professed belief is lower among younger Americans, Easterners, and liberals

by Frank Newport
PRINCETON, NJ -- More than 9 in 10 Americans still say "yes" when asked the basic question "Do you believe in God?"; this is down only slightly from the 1940s, when Gallup first asked this question.

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/pz5ko_z5ru-dwvlupny5nw.gif



http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/04/27/us/27atheist.graphic.ready.html
Every single state..

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/04/27/us/27atheist.graphic.ready.html

[Rogue]

what I disrespect most in those "scientists" is their arrogance and their stubbornness. they pretend like they know everything in the nature when the fact is that what they know is only a tip of the iceberg. We're still a light year behind the most advanced civillization of the universe but most of them are just too haughty and arrogant to accept the truth, their denial of the existence of aliens can only be translated as their blind arrogance and the insecurity about their limited knowledge imho

[redzero]

Actually most music lovers don't even know who The Clash are.

There you go with the No True Scotsman fallacy. So that's three logical fallacies in your first few posts.


You are in the minority for a reason. Most people don't want to live their life like you do.

Which, even if true, has absolutely no bearing on whether God exists or not. Another logical fallacy.


Look guy it's real obvious, you weren't raised properly, and that isn't your fault.

I was raised Catholic, faggot. Nice try.


And I do feel sorry for you and that tiny % others who agree with you. Talk to some intelligent people, get out more. I think you can still rise above your ignorance.

What ignorance? If you are so smart, how come you haven't presented a single shred of evidence for God's existence yet? Where is your evidence?

I am in the minority. That doesn't mean God exists.
You want there to be some external, objective meaning to go on living. That does not mean a God exists.

Where exactly is your proof for God's existence?

[redzero]

Fallacies Avante has resorted to so far:
http://www.propagandacritic.com/articles/ct.sa.fear.html
http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/popular.html
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/

How many more logical fallacies will Avante obliviously use next, while ironically claiming to be more intelligent than I am?

[Avante]

Fallacies Avante has resorted to so far:
http://www.propagandacritic.com/articles/ct.sa.fear.html
http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/popular.html
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/

How many more logical fallacies will Avante obliviously use next, while ironically claiming to be more intelligent than I am?

Do you have any idea at all at how many people would never listen to punk? Do you really think most music lovers are going to listen to shit music? I was 100% right there.

Most people do believe in God. You see stupid, God is a spirit, we can't see spirits......I know..zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooommm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

IWhe areyou finaslly going to figure ths out faggot......NOBODY GIVES A FUCK IF YOU CaN PROVE ANYTHING....it's all about....FAITH...FAITH..FAITH

Talk abouit a fucking idiot.

[redzero]

Do you have any idea at all at how many people would never listen to punk? Do you really think most music lovers are going to listen to shit music? I was 100% right there.

No True Scotsman in its purest form.


Most people do believe in God.

I already know. You repeating this statement in every one of your posts about religion, serves no purpose.


You see stupid, God is a spirit, we can't see spirits......I know..zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooommm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I'm stupid but you still can't provide evidence that this "spirit" exists.


Is this little dummy for real?

:lol I should ask you the same question. Your critical thinking skills are deplorable.

[Avante]

No True Scotsman in its purest form.



I already know. You repeating this statement in every one of your posts about religion, serves no purpose.



I'm stupid but you still can't provide evidence that this "spirit" exists.



:lol I should ask you the same question. Your critical thinking skills are deplorable.

Dude, cool the shit....do you really think all those grown ups/blacks/Mexicans/Asians/country fans.....know shit about some punk band? Are you really that stupid?

If you had any critical thinking skill you'd now that everyone is going with their heart on this one and nobody needs any proof. You can't be this fucking stupid.

Dude, billions and billions and billions of people would laugh in your face over this and you have critical thinking skills..hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fucking moron~~~~

Tell al those gospel bands they lack critical thinking skills, tell all our presidents they lack critical thinking skills, tell Bily Graham he lacked......hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fucking moron~~~~~~~

[redzero]

Dude, cool the shit....do you really think all those grown ups/blacks/Mexicans/Asians/country fans.....know shit about some punk band? Are you really that stupid?

Using that same logic, every one of those obscure Blues musicians you like suck, too.


If you had any critical thinking skill you'd now that everyone is going with their heart on this one and nobody needs any proof. You can't be this fucking stupid.

No, you are going with your heart because you don't care about what is true. I am using my brain because I care about what is true.


Dude, billions and billions and billions of people would laugh in your face ovrer this and you have critical thinking skills..hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fucking moron~~~~

:lmao Avante yet again thinks belief in itself makes a claim true.

[Avante]

Using that same logic, every one of those obscure Blues musicians you like suck, too.



No, you are going with your heart because you don't care about what is true. I am using my brain because I care about what is true.



:lmao Avante yet again thinks belief in itself makes a claim true.

Dude, very few people know about them old blues, thats why it's....obscure.

Here ya go dummy

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html

Tell them they lack critical thinking skills

[redzero]

Ohh, an appeal to authority. :lol logical fallacy number four! You're on a roll!

[Avante]

Ohh, an appeal to authority. :lol logical fallacy number four! You're on a roll!

Dummy, why don't you actually take a few fucking minutes and read what I'm bringing...ok? That was about all those scientists who believe in God.

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"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."4 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#n04)

Albert Einstein

Dude, you're a prick, you know that?

[redzero]

:lol I know exactly what you are bringing: logical fallacies. It's not my fault that you don't understand how flawed your argument is.

[Suspect]

religion is a mask

everyone wears a different one

remove it


?????

profit

[Avante]

:lol I know exactly what you are bringing: logical fallacies. It's not my fault that you don't understand how flawed your argument is.

How about we actually talk about why all those scientists and Albert Einstein totally disagree with you? Now answer that question.

Talk about why all our presidents believed in God? Well?

Answer me this faggot, would we ever put an atheist in the White House?

Well?

How about actually looking at this ok faggot?

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[redzero]

What do those questions have to do with anything? None of your arguments have any substance whatsoever. I am still waiting for you to post evidence for God's existence.

Like I said before, your arguments are so bad that a ten-year-old could demolish them. You are simply too dumb to understand that truth is not contingent on belief. Things are true or false regardless of who or how many people believe them. It's really that simple. Either a god(s) exists or it does not. Those are the only two options, and the fact that more people agree with you does not make you right. Period.

[Suspect]

Certain states dont allow atheists to hold public office

[Avante]

What do those questions have to do with anything? None of your arguments have any substance whatsoever. I am still waiting for you to post evidence for God's existence.

Like I said before, your arguments are so bad that a ten-year-old could demolish them. You are simply too dumb to understand that truth is not contingent on belief. Things are true or false regardless of who or how many people believe them. It's really that simple. Either a god(s) exists or it does not. Those are the only two options, and the fact that more people agree with you does not make you right. Period.

Dude, answer my fucking questions, they are a major part of my arguement. Now answer my questions.

Why do all those scientists disagree with you? You know more about this than Albert Einstein?

No more of your bullshit asswipe, ok? ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[redzero]

Dude, answer my fucking questions, they are a major part of my arguement. Now answer my questions.

Why do all those scientists disagree with you? You know more about this than Albert Einstein?

No more of your bullshit asswipe, ok? ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lol Then your argument is utterly retarded, because it has nothing to do with the existence of God. I asked you for proof for God's existence. Scientists who agree with you is not proof of God's existence.

Sorry that you refuse to understand a concept so simple that a child could get.

[Suspect]

Why do all those scientists disagree with you? You know more about this than Albert Einstein?


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[The Reckoning]

1 in 4 Americans think we became independent from a country other than England



because it's true lol

[Avante]

:lol Then your argument is utterly retarded, because it has nothing to do with the existence of God. I asked you for proof for God's existence. Scientists who agree with you is not proof of God's existence.

Sorry that you refuse to understand a concept so simple that a child could get.

What is retarded is thinking you know more about this than those far far farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr more intelligent than you are. So why do you think Einstein believed in a God? Why did your parents, your grandparents?

Nobody can prove the existence of god. So why do farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr more people believe He does exist than don't? Well?

Then there is this

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[redzero]

What is retarded is thinking you know more about this than those far far farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr more intelligent than you are. So why do you think Einstein believed in a God? Why did your parents, your grandparents?

Nobody can prove the existence of god. So why do farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr more people believe He does exist than don't? Well?

They believe for poor reasons. Again, you are more interested in the shallowest facts about religion than you are in anything that actually matters.

Provide evidence for God's existence, or shut up. Last chance.

[Avante]

They believe for poor reasons. Again, you are more interested in the shallowest facts about religion than you are in anything that actually matters.

Provide evidence for God's existence, or shut up. Last chance.

The universe and all that is in it is the proof of God since it's been proven it took a master design. That it would be impossible to have what we have simply by chance. Science has proven that without something other than "by chance" nothing would exist. Which proves God (something superior to humans) created eveything.

Actually read this, ok? Actually learn something.


http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/635517668.html

Try this...


Redefining Science to Eliminate the Creator (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#03RedefSciElimCrtr)
Did Time Perform the Miracle of Life? (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#04DidTimePerfMiracle)
Did Life Come from Space? (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#05DidLifeComeFmSpace)

Did God Create Life? Ask a Protein!





In 1953 Stanley Miller performed an experiment which rocked the world! He showed that passing a spark through a chosen mixture of gasses will form amino acids, the building blocks of proteins which are the main ingredients of living cells. Given an inch, a mile was taken. We were taught that lightning strikes provided the sparks that formed the amino acids which concentrated in an “organic soup,” and linked together to form proteins. These were claimed to have gotten together with DNA to form the first living cell.


But amino acids will not link together to form proteins! It was a bit like claiming that if bricks formed in nature they would get together to build houses. Proteins are so hard to make that in all of nature, they never form except in already living cells. Never! This scientific fact stands in stark contrast to what was taught.


Which viewpoint is best supported by the evidence? Did life begin without a Creator or did God create it? Evidence that life never comes from non-living materials is so abundant that it is a basic principle of science called the Principle of Biogenesis (living things come only from living things). Atheists and many agnostics have faith that contrary to this basic principle of science, life did evolve spontaneously from chemicals at least once. They now call their theory “abiogenesis” which comes from roots that mean “not Biogenesis.” They no longer use the term “spontaneous generation.”

Is abiogenesis possible? Not only are proteins never formed in nature outside of living cells, the amino acids from which they are built are of two kinds: Half are called left-handed and half right-handed. Only proteins containing all left handed amino acids will work in living things because proteins which contain any right-handed amino acids have the wrong shape and will not connect properly to the proteins around them. It is a bit like when you take a piece out of a puzzle, turn it upside down and try to put it back in where you took it out. It is the same size and shape, but it won’t fit. In nature, all left handed amino acids are only formed by living cells. Amino acids formed in experiments like Miller’s, are half left, and half right-handed so they will not work in the proteins of living things. This is more scientific evidence that life could not form without a Creator. Add it to the fact that in nature, no proteins at all will form outside of cells.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So you disagree dummy?

[redzero]

And now Avante is spamming Christian apologist links that even he hasn't read.


The universe and all that is in it is the proof of God since it's been proven it took a master design.

No, it hasn't been proven at all. To take a page out of your book, the majority of modern scientists do not agree with your Intelligent Design (i.e., God did it) "theory."


That it would be impossible to have what we have simply by chance.

Strawman. Science does not claim that we have gotten here solely by chance.


Science has proven that without something other than "by chance" nothing would exist.

Complete lie.


Which proves God (something superior to humans) created eveything.

That proves that you have no idea what actual science says.

So, after being asked a million times about EVIDENCE for God's existence, Avante finally attempts to provide some. Too bad he made baseless claims, showed a fundamental lack of understanding in the scientific explanation for how we got here, and pulled the Intelligent Design card.

[Avante]

And now Avante is spamming Christian apologist links that even he hasn't read.



No, it hasn't been proven at all. To take a page out of your book, the majority of modern scientists do not agree with your Intelligent Design (i.e., God did it) "theory."



Strawman. Science does not claim that we have gotten here solely by chance.



Complete lie.



That proves that you have no idea what actual science says.

So, after being asked a million times about EVIDENCE for God's existence, Avante finally attempts to provide some. Too bad he made baseless claims, showed a fundamental lack of understanding in the scientific explanation for how we got here, and pulled the Intelligent Design card.

Why do you continue to ignore the facts? Why don't you actually read what I'm showing you?

Here's another one....READ IT

http://realtruth.org/articles/070601-006-teog.html

Dude, science has proven this could not happen without a creator.

[redzero]

And here's a long list of refutations to the Creationist claims that Avante will play next: http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html#CB200

The protein one is on there, too.

[Avante]

And here's a long list of refutations to the Creationist claims that Avante will play next: http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html#CB200

The protein one is on there, too.

Science has proven the existence of God


You have any idea how much of that stuff is out there.

I'm going to ask you again.

Why did Einstein believe in a creator?

Anwer the question?

Tons and tons of things showing without a masterplan we have nothing. You do know this...right?

[redzero]

Why do you continue to ignore the facts? Why don't you actually read what I'm showing you?

Here's another one....READ IT

http://realtruth.org/articles/070601-006-teog.html

Dude, science has proven this could not happen without a creator.

Really? So actual scientific studies posted in peer-reviewed scientific journals have proven that God exists? Link? Again, Intelligent Design/Creationism has been debunked long ago.

And I'm not going to sit here and respond to Google link spams that you (a) didn't even read and (b) argue for the existence of a God THAT YOU DON'T EVEN BELIEVE ACTUALLY EXISTS.

[ChumpDumper]

Moderators aren't supposed to meltdown like you are, Avante.

[Avante]

Really? So actual scientific studies posted in peer-reviewed scientific journals have proven that God exists? Link? Again, Intelligent Design/Creationism has been debunked long ago.

And I'm not going to sit here and respond to Google link spams that you (a) didn't even read and (b) argue for the existence of a God THAT YOU DON'T EVEN BELIEVE ACTUALLY EXISTS.

I've always said there was a creator....always. I said I didn't buy into the Bible.....get it right!


Read this.....

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gary.h.turner/SciRel/anthropic.htm

[redzero]

Science has proven the existence of God


No. Non-scientists who misinterpret science to support their biases, claim that science proved the existence of God.


You have any idea how much of that stuff is out there.

Yes. I have probably seen far more pseudo-scientific arguments for God's existence than you have, judging from you lapping up all this bullshit without question.


Why did Einstein believe in a creator?

Anwer the question?

No, I'll ask you a more important question: Why do the vast majority of scientists disagree with intelligent design?

You just backslid into another logical fallacy. You simply cannot help yourself.


Tons and tons of things showing without a masterplan we have nothing. You do know this...right?

Those tons of things have already been refuted. I hope you don't think that I will take you link spamming ancient, debunked arguments seriously.

[redzero]

I've always said there was a creator....always. I said I didn't buy into the Bible.....get it right!


Read this.....

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gary.h.turner/SciRel/anthropic.htm

I'm not reading your link spams. Sorry, but actually make an argument in your own words, instead of googling and posting links to articles you haven't read.

[Avante]

No. Non-scientists who misinterpret science to support their biases, claim that science proved the existence of God.



Yes. I have probably seen far more pseudo-scientific arguments for God's existence than you have, judging from you lapping up all this bullshit without question.



No, I'll ask you a more important question: Why do the vast majority of scientists disagree with intelligent design?

You just backslid into another logical fallacy. You simply cannot help yourself.



Those tons of things have already been refuted. I hope you don't think that I will take you link spamming ancient, debunked arguments seriously.

Little man, tell me why did Einstein believe in a creator....ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION?

And when was this debunked? Show me.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gary.h.turner/SciRel/anthropic.htm

When was this debunked? Show me.
http://www.frame-poythress.org/what-evidence-is-there-that-god-created-the-universe/

[redzero]

Little man, tell me why did Einstein believe in a creator....ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION?

Jesus Christ, this dumb faggot will not let this logical fallacy go. Okay, here you go:

"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I feel also not able to imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. My views are near those of Spinoza: admiration for the beauty of and belief in the logical simplicity of the order which we can grasp humbly and only imperfectly. I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem—the most important of all human problems."

and

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."




And when was this debunked? Show me.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gary.h.turner/SciRel/anthropic.htm

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Anthropic_principle

Here you go. I suggest you read up on the other side of the argument before unquestioningly lapping up whatever bullshit Creationists feed you.

[DAF86]

It's when we start seeing people killed over a belief. When we see...In God We Trust...Praise God...I Swear To Go...One Nation Under God...So Help Me God...and millions of places to worship that we have to ask ourselves...how can so many people be wrong?

You are among 3-5% of Americans who don't believe in some superior being, you do know that...right?

Comparing that to fables....come on man. Who worships Bigfoot, how many wars have been fought overr the Tooth Fairy?

Does this mean that people who thought that Earth was plane (pretty much everybody back then) were right?

[redzero]

If Avante is going to make fallacious appeals to scientists as proof of God's existence, he should start with a scientist who actually believed in God, not Albert Einstein.

[Avante]

If Avante is going to make fallacious appeals to scientists as proof of God's existence, he should start with a scientist who actually believed in God, not Albert Einstein.

Hmmmmm?


Einstein

Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things.[19] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-19)


That is how an intelligent person approachs this. Not like some dummy like you. He admits....the mysterious force. He admits to not being an atheis. He sees things just like I dol.....something (mystrious force) created all this.

[redzero]

Hmmmmm?
Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things.[19] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-19)


That is how an intelligent person approachs this. Not like somedummy like you. He admits....the mysterrious force...it what he says.



Now you are backtracking, faggot. None of the quotes you or I posted support your claim that Einstein believed in God. Furthermore, NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHERHER GOD ACTUALLY EXISTS OR NOT. get your head out of your ass.

[Rogue]

Scientists believe in god? no, they don't believe in no fucking thing. They just make up pseudo-scientific bullshits to deceive tax-payers pretty much the same way the politicians do, they probably don't even believe their own shits tbh. If they truly believe in God they would've honestly admitted their incapability, for the fear of getting punished by God or whatsoever, instead of pretending to know everything and ranking home money and honors w/o contributing a damn thing to the society. Those people are soulless and faithless

[Avante]

Now you are backtracking, faggot. None of the quotes you or I posted support your claim that Einstein believed in God. Furthermore, NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHERHER GOD ACTUALLY EXISTS OR NOT. get your head out of your ass.

I don't believe in God. I 've said that many times. I said I believe in a creator, I just use God because it's easier.

Now disprove the existence of a creator something Einstein did believe in. That's why he wasn't an atheist.

So you believe all this just happened by chance......prove that.

[redzero]

I don't believe in God. I 've said that many times. I said I believe in a creator, I just use God because it's easier.

Bull-fucking-shit. All you have talked about was how many people believed in "God," but now you are talking about how you just believe in a "creator"?


Now disprove the existence of a creator

Shifting the burden of proof. You are making the positive claim that a creator exists, so you provide the evidence. I don't have to disprove a claim that hasn't been proven in the first place.


So you believe all this just happened by chance......prove that.

Strawman. You just ignore whatever I post. You are so stubborn and irrational that it's unbelievable.

[Rogue]

I don't believe the existence of a man levitating in the sky but I do believe in God, who in my dictionary has the same meaning as justice, rightfulness and sanctity. I just aspire to being a good person and the God, or the "Goddess" in my mind is exactly the person I wanna be, a role model to me. I believe that everyone has such a distinct God or Goddess in their mind, which you can't find a copy of in the real life nor in someone else's mind. The god or goddess only belongs to yourself, and it is unique

[Avante]

Bull-fucking-shit. All you have talked about was how many people believed in "God," but now you are talking about how you just believe in a "creator"?



Shifting the burden of proof. You are making the positive claim that a creator exists, so you provide the evidence. I don't have to disprove a claim that hasn't been proven in the first place.



Strawman. You just ignore whatever I post. You are so stubborn and irrational that it's unbelievable.

I told you many times my stance on this. What you forgot? I assumed you understood what I was actually talking about since we've done this before. I should have known your dumbass had forgotten.

Look idiot you can no more a prove fucking thing than me or anyone else. Something did create all this only a total moron like you couldn't see this. Idiot, it's too fine tuned to be by chance even a child can see that. Go ahead and live in your fantasy world ya fucking freak I'll go with what everyone else figrued out long ago.

It must hurt being stupid.

Dude, there is a reason there are very few who agree with you. Ya see must people aren't retarded.

Don't other responding moron, I 'm done with your stupidity for now. Next time I'm bored...you'll do, we all need a laugh now and then.

Oh yeah, I don't read 95% of your crap, it makes no sense.

[redzero]

:rollin at that dyslexic mess of a post filled with logical fallacies and strawmen. Avante is an embarrassment. 60+ years on this earth, yet he has somehow remained this stupid.

This dude would be annihilated in any debate with an atheist or a Christian, because both sides can point out how flawed his reasoning is with no difficulty.

[Avante]

:rollin at that dyslexic mess of a post filled with logical fallacies and strawmen. Avante is an embarrassment. 60+ years on this earth, yet he has somehow remained this stupid.

This dude would be annihilated in any debate with an atheist or a Christian, because both sides can point out how flawed his reasoning is with no difficulty.

translation

I just got my ass kicked.....again. I know this didn't all happen by chance I just like to get my ass kicked.

[redzero]

translation

I just got my ass kicked.....again.

Yes, you kicked my ass by posting irrelevant information and by attacking an argument that I never made.

Until you provide evidence that supports your claim that a creator exists, the default position is non-belief. That's it and that's all.

[Avante]

Now that I have you up againt the ropes one eye shut with blood dripping from everywhere.

BOOM..the knock out punch.

vPdB9WVpCBY

This is what most people believe dummy.

[Rogue]

the "creator" can be aliens from another planet who spread the seeds of life on the earth, or the emergence of life was completely coincidence that a flash of lightning or the eruption of a volcano brought a mass of carbohydrate to life? scientists tend to beat the latter down our throats but you don't have to always swallow whatever the "scientists" feed you. the Creator might exist but not necessarily in the form of a human or a god, it might just be a comet or asteroid that hit the earth several million years ago imho

[redzero]

Still waiting for Avante to prove that God exists, not talk about how many people believe in God. :lol He just can't understand the difference. So sad.

[Avante]

Still waiting for Avante to prove that God exists, not talk about how many people believe in God. :lol He just can't understand the difference. So sad.

Ok there is no God or a creator. This all happened by chance...right?

[redzero]

Ok there is no God or a creator. This all happened by chance...right?

:lol Avante still using strawmen.

[Avante]

:lol Avante still using strawmen.

You've talked me into it. Yep, no God or creator, so tell me how did this all come about? Go into detail, I am looking for your opinion. Curious about what you actually believe.

[Clipper Nation]

Ok there is no God or a creator. This all happened by chance...right?
Classic bifurcation fallacy.... how many is that now in this thread, redzero?

[Clipper Nation]

Btw, pretty much all of Avante's posts in this thread are perfect examples of the arguing from ignorance fallacy :lol

[Avante]

Btw, pretty much all of Avante's posts in this thread are perfect examples of the arguing from ignorance fallacy :lol

I totally agree, stupid me. So what really did happen CN, help me out here.

[redzero]

You've talked me into it. Yep, no God or creator, so tell me how did this all come about? Go into detail, I am looking for your opinion. Curious about what you actually believe.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

[Avante]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

So how come so few buy into all that?

I was looking for you to give an opinion, you got one or just a robot?

Explain how we got a elephant out of a little sea thingy, in your words....ok? Love to see your opinion.

[Clipper Nation]

So how come so few buy into all that?
Because the majority of people are generally dumb and gullible, with you as Exhibit A of that, tbh....

[Avante]

Because the majority of people are generally dumb and gullible, with you as Exhibit A of that, tbh....

So how come you know the real truth while billions of others don't?

[redzero]

So how come so few buy into all that?

What do you mean "few"? Lots of people buy into that. Those who don't buy into it do so for bad reasons.


I was looking for you to give an opinion, you got one or just a robot?

You aren't making much sense. Those are the best explanations for how we got here so far.


Explain how we got a elephant out of a little sea thingy, in your words....ok? Love to see your opinion.

It's not just some matter or opinion.

http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/mesozoicmammals/a/elephants.htm

If you actually gave a shit about how the elephant evolved, and you weren't just trying to make a retarder point, there are plenty of explanations out there. Oh, but I forgot that the only time you'll google anything about evolution, it would be only to find a creationist's warped bullshit.

[Avante]

What do you mean "few"? Lots of people buy into that. Those who don't buy into it do so for bad reasons.



You aren't making much sense. Those are the best explanations for how we got here so far.



It's not just some matter or opinion.

http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/mesozoicmammals/a/elephants.htm

If you actually gave a shit about how the elephant evolved, and you weren't just trying to make a retarder point, there are plenty of explanations out there. Oh, but I forgot that the only time you'll google anything about evolution, it would be only to find a creationist's warped bullshit.

So do I still celebrate Christmas? How about Easter? What do us atheists do? Dump all that gospel music? What's a good atheist band?

[redzero]

So do I still celebrate Christmas? How about Easter? What do us atheists do?

It doesn't matter. I am baffled at how much irrelevant nonsense you like to dwell on. You care more about how many people agree with you than you care about being right. You care more about who agrees with you than you do about being right. You are shallower than a teenage girl when it comes to religion.

It can't be said more simply than this: the truth is not contingent on whether or not people agree with it or not. 2+2 will always equal 4. It doesn't matter how much one doesn't like it, not does it matter how many people agree with it. The same is true with your creator not meeting the burden of proof. I don't care about what you do for Easter. You said yourself that you don't believe in the Christian God, so why are you celebrating Easter in the first place?

[leemajors]

Easter and Christmas were celebrated long before Christianity co-opted them.

[Avante]

It doesn't matter. I am baffled at how much irrelevant nonsense you like to dwell on. You care more about how many people agree with you than you care about being right. You care more about who agrees with you than you do about being right. You are shallower than a teenage girl when it comes to religion.

It can't be said more simply than this: the truth is not contingent on whether or not people agree with it or not. 2+2 will always equal 4. It doesn't matter how much one doesn't like it, not does it matter how many people agree with it. The same is true with your creator not meeting the burden of proof. I don't care about what you do for Easter. You said yourself that you don't believe in the Christian God, so why are you celebrating Easter in the first place?

Hey thanks for setting me straight. Now when my granddaughter asks me....will Fido go to doggie Heaven....I'll tell her...there ain't no doggie Heaven, wise up girl. When we are having dinner over at my mother in laws and she goes to say grace, I'l just fake it. When Christmas does get here I'll make damn sure we don't get God into it...sheesh!!!!!!!!!! And when my grandson asks...what is Easter all about...I'll tell him..a load of bullshit.

Man being an atheist is cool~~~~~~~~~~

[lebomb]

All I know is that............. have a critically ill child, sibling, or parent and you will give god a try. "Please God....... " Be trapped somewhere or have a car accident and its on fire......... you will give god a try. "Please God......"

Dont believe me just watch.

[Avante]

All I know is that............. have a critically ill child, sibling, or parent and you will give god a try. "Please God....... " Be trapped somewhere or have a car accident and its on fire......... you will give god a try. "Please God......"

Dont believe me just watch.

There is no God guy, and only weaklings and idiots could possibly beleive that silly bullshit. We all came fom the sea, yep that's how we got the ant, the rhino, the bear, the wasp, the spider, the elephant. You see this little sea thingy waddled out on land one day....well actually there had to have been two of them, a male and a female and of all the beachs in the world they just happen to find each other on the same one at the same time...BOOM!!....the bird (took a litle while however)

[Clipper Nation]

So how come you know the real truth while billions of others don't?
Because as an educated person, I actually understand science....

[Avante]

Because as an educated person, I actually understand science....

An educated person who finds creative ways to call somebody a faggot?

Hmmmmmm?

Expain this one to me. Right after the 36 Olympics when Jesse Owens stunned the world. Scientists were asked...."just how fast can a human run?" Jesse was the 10.2 world record holder. So after doing their studies they came back with 9.9 seconds.

The world record is 9.58....whst happened?

[cute_spursfan]

Jesus reigns :)

[DeadlyDynasty]

Jesus reigns :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmn9asN-8AE

[redzero]

Hey thanks for setting me straight. Now when my granddaughter asks me....will Fido go to doggie Heaven....I'll tell her...there ain't no doggie Heaven, wise up girl. When we are having dinner over at my mother in laws and she goes to say grace, I'l just fake it. When Christmas does get here I'll make damn sure we don't get God into it...sheesh!!!!!!!!!! And when my grandson asks...what is Easter all about...I'll tell him..a load of bullshit.

Man being an atheist is cool~~~~~~~~~~

You shouldn't be doing any of those things in the first place, since you claimed not to be a Christian.

leemajors brought up a good point. Why don't you just celebrate Winter Solstice instead?

[Avante]

You shouldn't be doing any of those things in the first place, since you claimed not to be a Christian.

leemajors brought up a good point. Why don't you just celebrate Winter Solstice instead?

When you have kids ya celebrate Christmas, plain and simple. You don't this...well ya see according to science...fuck that.

After Xmas

Johnny...so what did you getfor Christmas
Jimmy...oh my daddy is really smartm he told us there wasn't any Jesusd, it's just silly bullshit.
johhny...wanna see my new bike?
Jimmy...:(

[redzero]

An educated person who finds creative ways to call somebody a faggot?

Hmmmmmm?

Expain this one to me. Right after the 36 Olympics when Jesse Owens stunned the world. Scientists were asked...."just how fast can a human run?" Jesse was the 10.2 world record holder. So after doing their studies they came back with 9.9 seconds.

The world record is 9.58....whst happened?

They were mistaken. Now you are taking the mouse position of, "Scientists have been wrong before, so they can't be reliable." People make mistakes. No tool we use is perfect, and scientists don't claim to know everything.

[redzero]

Whe yoy have kids ya celebrate Christmas, plain and simple. You don't this...well ya see according to science...fuck that.

Then celebrate your Christmas, then. I struggle to understand your point.

If I am correct, you didn't believe in the Christian God before, and if you became an atheist, you would still not believe in the Christian God. What exactly has changed in your new scenario?

[Avante]

They were mistaken. Now you are taking the mouse position of, "Scientists have been wrong before, so they can't be reliable." People make mistakes. No tool we use is perfect, and scientists don't claim to know everything.

So there can't even foresee....beitter tracks, better training, better nutrition, bigger and stronger athletes years down the road but they can totally tea rapart how we got here.....right?

[Clipper Nation]

Fun Fact: Christmas started out as a secular ancient Roman solstice celebration and only later was it adopted by Jeebotards to celebrate the time Joseph got turned into a cuckhold by a magical sky fairy....

[Avante]

Then celebrate your Christmas, then. I struggle to understand your point.

If I am correct, you didn't believe in the Christian God before, and if you became an atheist, you would still not believe in the Christian God. What exactly has changed in your new scenario?

I don't sit around all worried about what anyone else believes, why would I? Why do you care? I think something happened, what I don't know and then go on with life. Only time I ever talk about it is here. It's really not some big damn deal, you seem to think so however......why?

[redzero]

So there can't even foresee....beitter tracks, better training, better nutrition, bigger and stronger athletes years down the road but they can totally tea rapart how we got here.....right?

Apples and Oranges.

[Avante]

Fun Fact: Christmas started out as a secular ancient Roman solstice celebration and only later was it adopted by Jeebotards to celebrate the time Joseph got turned into a cuckhold by a magical sky fairy....

So you never had a Christmas tree or any gifts?

[redzero]

I don't sit around all worried about what anyone else believes, why would I? Why do you care? I think something happened, what I don't know and then go on with life. Only time I ever talk about it is here. It's really not some big damn deal, you seem to think so however......why?

And now you changed the subject because you realized how stupid your line of inquiry was.

You need to stop flip-flopping. If you are a deist, then act like it. Stop defending prayer. Stop claiming that there is a higher purpose in life. Don't tell your grandchildren that there is a heaven. You are a deist, so you shouldn't believe in that stuff in the first place.

[Avante]

Apples and Oranges.

That's lame, how come they couldn't even figure out something thst simple but can break down how all this came about?

Keep in mind sprinters had been running track since the 1800's, they didn't think to look back 50 years and look at that progressision then use that as a model to predict 1986? Wow real complex there?.

[Avante]

And now you changed the subject because you realized how stupid your line of inquiry was.

You need to stop flip-flopping. If you are a deist, then act like it. Stop defending prayer. Stop claiming that there is a higher purpose in life. Don't tell your grandchildren that there is a heaven. You are a deist, so you shouldn't believe in that stuff in the first place.

So why didn't your parents live like that and their parents? How old were you when you figured out they were full of shit?

[Brazil]

I'm not familiar with this Avante dude but he seems to be as stupid as mouse. is he also a believer that earth is 6,000 years ?

[Clipper Nation]

So why didn't your parents live like that and their parents? How old were you when you figured out they were full of shit?
Believe it or not, some people are actually capable of thinking for themselves - clearly you're not one of them....

[Avante]

Believe it or not, some people are actually capable of thinking for themselves - clearly you're not one of them....

I'm not the one all caught up in going around like a retarded monkey calling people a faggot. Boy you're a real winner alright.

[Avante]

I'm not familiar with this Avante dude but he seems to be as stupid as mouse. is he also a believer that earth is 6,000 years ?

Don't fuck with me faggot, unless you want me to reach right thru this monitor and slap that zit you use for a head right off that pencil neck of yours, got that bitch...well?

[Trill Clinton]

avante in here doing the lords work!

[Avante]

OK I gotta go.

Here's the deal only a total/complete moron could think all this just happened. Hell science can't even figure out sprint times too stupid to look back to 1890 and 10.7 and think....hmmmm? 46 year ago and 5 tenths so 5 tenths 50 years ahead would be...9.7. The record was 9.85.

I pity the idiots here, anyone with even half a brain knows this did not just happen, yes something designs this, what I don't know....



1

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9.85




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USA

9.94




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9.98




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10.00




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10.04




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Rodney Lewis (http://javascript<strong></strong>:CheckID(12124,'M','','1994','T'))

USA

10.06




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USA

10.09




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Anthony Jones (http://javascript<strong></strong>:CheckID(11851,'M','','1994','T'))

USA

10.10




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Tim Montgomery (http://javascript<strong></strong>:CheckID(4583,'M','','1994','T'))

USA

10.11




So simple it's ridiculous yet science couldn't figure this out? Oh fuck yes give me some science....sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~

[redzero]

That's lame, how come they couldn't even figure out something thst simple but can break down how all this came about?

You aren't even comparing the same fields of science. You are just using the blanket term "scientist" and faulting all scientists for a faulty prediction made 75 fucking years ago.


Keep in mind sprinters had been running track since the 1800's, they didn't think to look back 50 years and look at that progressision then use that as a model to predict 1986? Wow real complex there?.

Then what is the fastest a human being can ever run? If it's so easy, tell me what the limit is on human potential.

[redzero]

avante in here doing the lords work!

:lol That's a good Uncle Tom.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not the one all caught up in going around like a retarded monkey calling people a faggot. Boy you're a real winner alright.


Don't fuck with me faggot, unless you want me to reach right thru this monitor and slap that zit you use for a head right off that pencil neck of yours, got that bitch...well?Yes, you actually are the one all caught up in going around like a retarded monkey calling people a faggot.

And threatening posters with physical violence is clearly against the moderators' rules.

You read all those, didn't you?

[Clipper Nation]

Don't fuck with me faggot, unless you want me to reach right thru this monitor and slap that zit you use for a head right off that pencil neck of yours, got that bitch...well?
:lmao Meltdown

[rascal]

You can't have it both ways, faggot. The majority think The Clash is a good band, so, using your own reasoning, that must be true.

Now here comes the part when you pick and choose when popular opinion matters.

The majority don't even know who the Clash is.

[rascal]

.

Where exactly is your proof for God's existence?

Life itself is proof. You won't believe in jesus 2000 years ago but you will believe life came from a soupy dirt water mix billions of years ago.

[leemajors]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS5DaTIF1a0

[Brazil]

Don't fuck with me faggot, unless you want me to reach right thru this monitor and slap that zit you use for a head right off that pencil neck of yours, got that bitch...well?

I'm not talking to you faggot christian but your meltdown is cute ST retard first ballot HoFer

[silverblk mystix]

So the score so far is;

Both sides blind but one side is arrogant and thinks their side is superior to the other....ok.

[Blake]

So the score so far is;

Both sides blind but one side is arrogant and thinks their side is superior to the other....ok.

except that you're blind yourself by your own admission, so you have taken yourself out of position to be a scorekeeper.

[silverblk mystix]

except that you're blind yourself by your own admission, so you have taken yourself out of position to be a scorekeeper.

So what are we arguing about and why is one side under the impression that they are superior and/or "right" in an issue that is an absolute mystery?

You probably don't know that either but here you are trying to act as if you know better.

Priceless.

[ChumpDumper]

So the score so far is;

Both sides blind but one side is arrogant and thinks their side is superior to the other....ok.Hey, blind hypocrite chimes in with his blind hypocrisy.

[silverblk mystix]

Hey, blind hypocrite chimes in with his blind hypocrisy.

Arrogant blind person defending blindness.

[ChumpDumper]

Arrogant blind person defending blindness.Sorry, you just said we're all blind, including you.


The sad part is you are too stupid to understand just how stupid you are.

[Blake]

So what are we arguing about and why is one side under the impression that they are superior and/or "right" in an issue that is an absolute mystery?

You probably don't know that either but here you are trying to act as if you know better.

Priceless.

You have no idea that you are taking an expert stand on something you are claiming is a mystery.

You also have no idea how you have zero credit when you try to get serious because we all know you flip the switch into grudge mode, complete with meltdowns and bigoted name calling/labeling.

Worthless.

[Avante]

It's all about doing what's best for you, what others say about it means nothing. That's just them doing what's best for them. No different that favorite color, favorite beer. Who would argue or debate red vs blue? Coors vs Bud, it's all about personal opinion. Trying to convince anyone your opinion is the one that matters will never work. So keep your belliefs to your yourself unless asked about them and then respect others beliefs.

[Blake]

It's all about doing what's best for you, what others say about it means nothing. That's just them doing what's best for them. No different that favorite color, favorite beer. Who would argue or debate red vs blue? Coors vs Bud, it's all about personal opinion. Trying to convince anyone your opinion is the one that matters will never work. So keep your belliefs to your yourself unless asked about them and then respect others beliefs.

Except you don't respect atheist beliefs. You made that clear.

Still waiting for a description of the God that Avante follows.

[johnsmith]

It's all about doing what's best for you, what others say about it means nothing. That's just them doing what's best for them. No different that favorite color, favorite beer. Who would argue or debate red vs blue? Coors vs Bud, it's all about personal opinion. Trying to convince anyone your opinion is the one that matters will never work. So keep your belliefs to your yourself unless asked about them and then respect others beliefs.

Unless it comes to music.....amirite avante?

[silverblk mystix]

You have no idea that you are taking an expert stand on something you are claiming is a mystery.


Only stand I have taken is that no side is superior to the other - since neither can possibly be right. The side that is the most arrogant and condescending is the funniest to observe.

You also have no idea how you have zero credit when you try to get serious because we all know you flip the switch into grudge mode, complete with meltdowns and bigoted name calling/labeling.

Worthless.


No one sounds more butthurt and no one hold grudges longer as evidenced in the LOVE thread - than the e-gang you run with rofl.

[Avante]

Except you don't respect atheist beliefs. You made that clear.

Still waiting for a description of the God that Avante follows.

I don't follow any God. I just think this is all to perfect to have come about by chance. What if the sun were closer, further away? What if we we rotated faster or slower? Too many things having to work in "perfect" concert to pull it off.

I go with a creator, designer. I have no idea at all who/what that is.

[Blake]

No one sounds more butthurt and no one hold grudges longer as evidenced in the LOVE thread - than the e-gang you run with rofl.

Your perception of things is incredibly bad.

And I sense an end to the enlightened posts

http://sleevage.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/fliptheswitch_front.jpg

[Blake]

I go with a creator, designer. I have no idea at all who/what that is.

Your best guess:

How did this creator/designer you believe in come into existence himself?

[Avante]

Your best guess:

How did this creator/designer you believe in come into existence himself?

Obviously we are dealing with something totally out of our relm of comprehension here and we cannot try and put our puny boundaries around this. We are like children in a vast library full of large books and we haven't learned to read yet, while it's all there we aren't yet equipped to understand it.

[Blake]

Obviously we are dealing with something totally out of our relm of comprehension here and we cannot try and put our puny boundaries around this. We are like children in a vast library full of large books and we haven't learned to read yet, while it's all there we aren't yet equipped to understand it.

Interesting guess.

Seems your life is no better off believing in an invisible creator than not.

Next time you talk down to atheists, I'll remind you live life with the same non-religious purpose.

[Blake]

Ah hell, I'll just point out now how you claim your life sucks:



Being an atheist must totally suck. No faith in anything, living in a world choked full of churches.

[Avante]

Interesting guess.

Seems your life is no better off believing in an invisible creator than not.

Next time you talk down to atheists, I'll remind you live life with the same non-religious purpose.

The thing is atheists are idiots

[TeyshaBlue]

The thing is atheists are idoits.

Enjoy the delicious sauce.

[Blake]

The thing is atheists are idiots

The real thing is that you're an idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

Enjoy the delicious sauce.He's posting in French to impress you.

[Avante]

The real thing is that you're an idiot.

No not really, know way too much stuff, seen too much, done too much for that to be true.

[TeyshaBlue]

He's posting in French to impress you.

I've always thought he might be boutons_deux's sock puppet.

[ChumpDumper]

Posted too many almanac lists and YouTubes....

[ChumpDumper]

I've always thought he might be boutons_deux's sock puppet.Yeah, but you can tell when someone is taking himself deadly serious. Avante's begging for someone to pat him on the head for knowing lane assignments for a race no one cared about in the first place is all too real.

[Blake]

No not really, know way too much stuff, seen too much, done too much for that to be true.

Naw, track and field crap doesn't count in this thread on this subject.

You're an idiot here that's just pulling stuff out of his ass.

[Trill Clinton]

:lol That's a good Uncle Tom.

let me give ya slow ass a history lesson:

One day I just decided to look into the history of the Uncle Tom (http://www4.uwm.edu/libraries/special/exhibits/clastext/clspg149.cfm). That man Tom, based on Josiah Henson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Henson%20Josiah%20Henson)was a noble man. Tom was loyal, seen as many of the day (and on to the present time) as stupid and docile. But Josiah Henson himself was quite intelligent. Josiah Henson realized that his new master (Isaac Riley) was evil and made a plan to escape. He got his wife and four children out of Montgomery County, MD and made his way to Canada where he was able to realize the American Slave’s Dream — freedom and prosperity. The real Uncle Tom, Josiah Henson went on to help over 100 other slaves escape to freedom on Canadian soil via the Underground Railroad.



Uncle Tom was a real nigga

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6jralTfH71rzjvvgo1_500.gif

[redzero]

The thing is atheists are idiots

You can start calling others idiots when you can come up with a single non-fallacious argument for God's existence. Until then, shut up.

[Avante]

You can start calling others idiots when you can come up with a single non-fallacious argument for God's existence. Until then, shut up.

I can start calling others an idiot anytime I feel like it faggot, got it? A little shit like you trying to tell me......hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck you~~~~~~~

[Avante]

Naw, track and field crap doesn't count in this thread on this subject.

You're an idiot here that's just pulling stuff out of his ass.

Little one do I really need to take to school on...

track
boxing
sci fi
blues
country
literature
movies
rockabilly
jazz
Texas Tech
SEC
Big10
Big12
ACC
MEAC
SWAC
Mountain West
NFC
AFC
R&B
Soul
body building

...well?


This topic has nothing but grey areas you freaks can't prove shit and neither can anyone else.

[ChumpDumper]

Little one do I really need to take to school on...

track
boxing
sci fi
blues
country
literature
movies
rockabilly
jazz
Texas Tech
SEC
Big10
Big12
ACC
MEAC
SWAC
Mountain West
NFC
AFC
R&B
Soul
body building

...well?


This topic has nothing but grey areas you freaks can't prove shit and neither can anyone else.I agree you can make almanacs list about shit no one has ever cared about in history.

[Blake]

This topic has nothing but grey areas you freaks can't prove shit and neither can anyone else.

But you're going to call atheists idiots any way.

Because you're an idoit.

[Avante]

But you're going to call atheists idiots any way.

Because you're an idoit.

Come over here ya little shit, closer, closer...WHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now pick your boney little ass up and get the fuck out of here.

[Blake]

Yah, that really didn't show me.

Because you're an idoit

[Avante]

Yah, that really didn't show me.

Because you're an idoit

For someone who has proven they don't know shit you sure have a big fucking mouth.

[mouse]

How did this creator/designer you believe in come into existence himself?


You see there was a huge explosion from nothing. and if your brain dead enough to not only believe that crap but to actually have the balls to write a book?



http://whyy.org/cms/radiotimes/files/2012/02/a-universe-from-nothing1.jpg



And the weird shit is.... the brain dead fools that actually spent money on that piece of $hit book? :lmao

I take that back........if your shit sells then more power to you in fact I like this guy he is the Wild Cobra of the book TRolls



I give him his props.

[ChumpDumper]

Come over here ya little shit, closer, closer...WHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now pick your boney little ass up and get the fuck out of here.Did you just play act like you were physically striking another poster?

Very unmodlike meltdown tbh.

[Blake]

For someone who has proven they don't know shit you sure have a big fucking mouth.

I've proven I know more about the number of atheists in the world than you and your bigger mouth.

[Avante]

I've proven I know more about the number of atheists in the world than you and your bigger mouth.

Where did I ever mention atheists in the world, try...America...ok?

[Blake]

Where did I ever mention atheists in the world, try...America...ok?

ah, right.

I've proven I know more about the number of atheists in America than you and your bigger mouth.

[RandomGuy]

Let them start fucking around with the occult and devil worship...they will start calling on god for help in no time. They will find out quick the spirit world does exist...the difference with god is he doesn't manifest himself in such wicked ways.

If you don't believe in the magic man in the sky, the magic man under the ground doesn't make sense either. Nor do magic spirits.

Sorry. Nice stories from our species' youth, that we will happily cast aside.

[RandomGuy]

It's all about doing what's best for you, what others say about it means nothing. That's just them doing what's best for them. No different that favorite color, favorite beer. Who would argue or debate red vs blue? Coors vs Bud, it's all about personal opinion. Trying to convince anyone your opinion is the one that matters will never work. So keep your belliefs to your yourself unless asked about them and then respect others beliefs.

That is actually the point.

Truth matters.

The only real way to get to the truth is evidence.

Either there is a magic unicorn in the box or there is not. I could believe all day that there is a magic horned equine there, or that Santa will bring me loot, but my belief does not have any bearing on the truth of magic box unicorns or Santa.

We learn about things based on that. There is no evidence for some god/God/gods creating the universe and/or us.

You can either have your opinion based on evidence or not. "Faith" is an excuse people use when they don't have a good reason to believe in something.

[RandomGuy]

I don't believe in God. I 've said that many times. I said I believe in a creator, I just use God because it's easier.

Now disprove the existence of a creator something Einstein did believe in. That's why he wasn't an atheist.

So you believe all this just happened by chance......prove that.

Fallacy: Burden of Proof




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Includes: Appeal to Ignorance ("Ad Ignorantiam")

Description of Burden of Proof
Burden of Proof is a fallacy in which the burden of proof is placed on the wrong side. Another version occurs when a lack of evidence for side A is taken to be evidence for side B in cases in which the burden of proof actually rests on side B. A common name for this is an Appeal to Ignorance. This sort of reasoning typically has the following form:


Claim X is presented by side A and the burden of proof actually rests on side B.
Side B claims that X is false because there is no proof for X.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html

"God exists"

"I don't think there is evidence to prove that."

"Oh yeah, prove that he does not exist!"

Do you base all of your opinions and world view on flawed logic, or just this one thing?

[redzero]

Do you base all of your opinions and world view on flawed logic, or just this one thing?

Read the rest of the thread and you'll see almost every post of his contains a logical fallacy.

[.G.]

The devil? People still believe in such a concept?

[Heath Ledger]

Why won't god heal amputees?

[Koolaid_Man]

I can't believe yall still talking bout this shit...

[Avante]

That is actually the point.

Truth matters.

The only real way to get to the truth is evidence.

Either there is a magic unicorn in the box or there is not. I could believe all day that there is a magic horned equine there, or that Santa will bring me loot, but my belief does not have any bearing on the truth of magic box unicorns or Santa.

We learn about things based on that. There is no evidence for some god/God/gods creating the universe and/or us.

You can either have your opinion based on evidence or not. "Faith" is an excuse people use when they don't have a good reason to believe in something.

Do we have the cell phone today? Sure, so how come we didn't have the cell phone a 1000, 500, 100, years ago?

[silverblk mystix]

That is actually the point.

Truth matters.

The only real way to get to the truth is evidence.

Do you think this also applies to the question of a god - and how can this be when no one knows what a god is? How do you apply this logic on an absolute mystery? (Serious question)


Either there is a magic unicorn in the box or there is not. I could believe all day that there is a magic horned equine there, or that Santa will bring me loot, but my belief does not have any bearing on the truth of magic box unicorns or Santa.

We learn about things based on that. There is no evidence for some god/God/gods creating the universe and/or us.

You can either have your opinion based on evidence or not. "Faith" is an excuse people use when they don't have a good reason to believe in something.


Isn't it convenient that science assigns the "burden of proof" on the other side so they never have to prove that a god does in fact exist?

[Blake]

Do we have the cell phone today? Sure, so how come we didn't have the cell phone a 1000, 500, 100, years ago?

wtf

[Blake]

Isn't it convenient that science assigns the "burden of proof" on the other side so they never have to prove that a god does in fact exist?


It's not science, it's simple logic that assigns burden of proof to the believer, dumbass.

[silverblk mystix]

It's not science, it's simple logic that assigns burden of proof to the believer, dumbass.

Yes, I remember freshman 101 - but the issue is that you are applying this same thing to something completely different. If you are talking about widgets or some other shit - of course this computes...

Trying to apply this same logic to an absolute mystery is like trying to figure out a math problem by reading lines of shakepeare. Does not compute. Never has. Never will.

Dumbass. (since this is your preferred way to answer/respond to serious questions)

[Avante]

wtf

It's not obvious?

[Blake]

Yes, I remember freshman 101 - but the issue is that you are applying this same thing to something completely different. If you are talking about widgets or some other shit - of course this computes...

Trying to apply this same logic to an absolute mystery is like trying to figure out a math problem by reading lines of shakepeare. Does not compute. Never has. Never will.

That attempt at a metaphor is terrible. You're lying if you claim you took freshman logic.


Dumbass. (since this is your preferred way to answer/respond to serious questions)

It's my preferred way of saying you're seriously dumb because you repeatedly fail to grasp simple logic that is being explained to you by a number of different posters.

And you're an emotionally weak labeler that can't even live up to his own rules of enlightened living and labeling.

[Blake]

It's not obvious?

You're obviously a dumbass like SBM.

I'm sure someone else with more patience than I have will be here shortly to explain why your cell phone question is ridiculously stupid.

[Avante]

You're obviously a dumbass like SBM.

I'm sure someone else with more patience than me will be here shortly to explain why your cell phone question is ridiculously stupid.

Do I really have to explain it to you?

[silverblk mystix]

That attempt at a metaphor is terrible. You're lying if you claim you took freshman logic.



It's my preferred way of saying you're seriously dumb because you repeatedly fail to grasp simple logic that is being explained to you by a number of different posters.

And you're an emotionally weak labeler that can't even live up to his own rules of enlightened living and labeling.

Well, you are obviously still butthurt and angry so when you'd like to learn something about trying to apply logic to an absolute mystery - let me know.

If you'd rather be your same angry name-caller and labeler - carry on.

[Blake]

Do I really have to explain it to you?

No, you don't.

I'll bet your explanation will be just as ridiculously stupid as your question.

[Blake]

Well, you are obviously still butthurt and angry so when you'd like to learn something about trying to apply logic to an absolute mystery - let me know.

We've all seen your crazy ass pseudo mystic bullshit.

Nobody anywhere on this board worth a salt has ever agreed with you on it.

Let me know if someone does.



If you'd rather be your same angry name-caller and labeler - carry on.

I'm not angry; it's crystal clear to everyone but you and Avante that it's you that's extremely, extremely angry at a great many posters here on ST.

I also don't care about labels. You're the one that says you care very much, yet you use labels in almost every post.

That's why I label you as an extremely stupid hypocrite.

[silverblk mystix]

We've all seen your crazy ass pseudo mystic bullshit.

Nobody anywhere on this board worth a salt has ever agreed with you on it.

Let me know if someone does.



I'm not angry; it's crystal clear to everyone but you and Avante that it's you that's extremely, extremely angry at a great many posters here on ST.

I also don't care about labels. You're the one that says you care very much, yet you use labels in almost every post.

That's why I label you as an extremely stupid hypocrite.

Ok- so you don't want to learn anything new - carry on...


My question wasn't for you anyway as any intelligent person can see what it means when you respond to a post with a question.

It means you have a question - FOR THE POSTER you quoted.

You can take your butthurt elsewhere.

[Avante]

No, you don't.

I'll bet your explanation will be just as ridiculously stupid as your question.

It's 1710 can we talk to someone a 500 miles away with a hand held device? No we can't, you see it doesn't exist.

Now think, you can do this.

[Blake]

Ok- so you don't want to learn anything new - carry on...


My question wasn't for you anyway as any intelligent person can see what it means when you respond to a post with a question.

It means you have a question - FOR THE POSTER you quoted.

You can take your butthurt elsewhere.


You're stupid.

[Blake]

It's 1710 can we talk to someone a 500 miles away with a hand held device? No we can't, you see it doesn't exist.

Now think, you can do this.

You're even stupider.

[Avante]

You're even stupider.

You're not thinking little one.

Just because us humans haven't figured something out yet doesn;t mean it doesn't exist.

I know...zoooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[exstatic]

Let them start fucking around with the occult and devil worship...they will start calling on god for help in no time. They will find out quick the spirit world does exist...the difference with god is he doesn't manifest himself in such wicked ways.

I was thinking a lobotomy would do the trick.

[exstatic]

Isn't it convenient that science assigns the "burden of proof" on the other side so they never have to prove that a god does in fact exist?


We think he doesn't. Why should WE have to prove anything? He's your construct.

[exstatic]

It's 1710 can we talk to someone a 500 miles away with a hand held device? No we can't, you see it doesn't exist.

Now think, you can do this.

So, God has yet to be invented? That was certainly the case for the cell phone in 1710.

[silverblk mystix]

We think he doesn't. Why should WE have to prove anything? He's your construct.


Not mine. But god/idol worshippers yes....


Still....science tries to act as if there is some kind of conclusion - since there is no evidence otherwise - so they act as if they figured something out.


They really didn't.

[exstatic]

Not mine. But god/idol worshippers yes....


Still....science tries to act as if there is some kind of conclusion - since there is no evidence otherwise - so they act as if they figured something out.


They really didn't.

That is the basis for science: observation and positing from that observation. You're trying to say that a cat should bark. It's not going to. Science will continue to be what it is and has always been. You want it to change what it is, or at least make an exception for the idea of God. It won't.

[silverblk mystix]

That is the basis for science: observation and positing from that observation. You're trying to say that a cat should bark. It's not going to. Science will continue to be what it is and has always been. You want it to change what it is, or at least make an exception for the idea of God. It won't.

I am not trying to ask for change or make an exception for the idea of god. What I am saying is that looking down on the other side is ignorant.

Science is in no way superior to people that have faith or a belief in a god.

Neither side is above the other - but if you read through threads like this - this is exactly what I see - the science side always thinks they know "more" than the other side and it is so far from the truth that it is painful to see.

[Avante]

So, God has yet to be invented? That was certainly the case for the cell phone in 1710.

Ah..no. I'm talking about us humans not yet equipped to understand things. Things we will understand s time goes on. so just because we can't understand the concept of God right now that doesn't mean He doesn't exit. The cell phone was always there we just didn't know it.

[exstatic]

I am not trying to ask for change or make an exception for the idea of god. What I am saying is that looking down on the other side is ignorant.

Science is in no way superior to people that have faith or a belief in a god.

Neither side is above the other - but if you read through threads like this - this is exactly what I see - the science side always thinks they know "more" than the other side and it is so far from the truth that it is painful to see.

A scientist can prove that it two hydrogen molecules bond with one oxygen molecule to form water. He has the intellectual high ground over anyone who believes in God, Santa, the Tooth Fairy, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[exstatic]

Ah..no. I'm talking about us humans not yet equipped to understand things. Things we will understand s time goes on. so just because we can't understand the concept of God right now that doesn't mean He doesn't exit. The cell phone was always there we just didn't know it.

We understand things we can touch feel and use.

[silverblk mystix]

We understand things we can touch feel and use.

Unless your perceptions are not clear. Then - you can see something through your faulty perceptions and you might as well be blind. Scientists are not immune to having faulty perceptions.

[Avante]

We understand things we can touch feel and use.

Try talking many of the things we see today with scientists just a 100 years ago.

[E20]

Anybody trying to prove that God exists through any means other than their faith and firm conviction and anybody wanting to empirical proof that God exists need to double check there rationale and logic.

[Avante]

Try talking many of the things we see today with scientists just a 100 years ago.

Everything we have today was always there. It's just taken us a long time to find it and what we'll find a 100 years from now is here right now. We just aren't prepared to find it yet.

Now before one of your dumb fucks (many) show up with more stupidity think about what I'm telling you.

[exstatic]

Unless your perceptions are not clear. Then - you can see something through your faulty perceptions and you might as well be blind. Scientists are not immune to having faulty perceptions.

That's why experiments get repeated over and over. Verification.

[exstatic]

Everything we have today was always there. It's just taken us a long time to find it and what we'll find a 100 years from now id here right now. We just aren't prepared to find it yet.

No it wasn't. No touch, no feel, no use.

[Avante]

No it wasn't. No touch, no feel, no use.

Sure it was we just weren't prepared to discover it.

[Clipper Nation]

Isn't it convenient that science assigns the "burden of proof" on the other side so they never have to prove that a god does in fact exist?

You clearly don't know how science works, tbh.... stick to checking anuses at the county jail, B....

[silverblk mystix]

That's why experiments get repeated over and over. Verification.


Yes, in mechanical things that can be named and inspected and defined,etc...

In things that are mysteries and cannot be defined - science cannot prove or disprove anything - these things are unexplainable to the conceptualizing mind. This is why they are mysteries. They do not fit into a concept.

This is why no scientist or group of scientists have ever been able to prove there is or isn't a god.

[silverblk mystix]

You clearly don't know how science works, tbh.... stick to checking anuses at the county jail, B....

This is why science is lost when it comes to spiritual things. Science works if the object is definable - god isn't.

[Avante]

Do we really need to copy/paste all those times science has been wrong?

[exstatic]

Yes, in mechanical things that can be named and inspected and defined,etc...

In things that are mysteries and cannot be defined - science cannot prove or disprove anything - these things are unexplainable to the conceptualizing mind. This is why they are mysteries. They do not fit into a concept.

This is why no scientist or group of scientists have ever been able to prove there is or isn't a god.

There you go pushing that burden of proof again. Scientists don't have to prove or disprove shit. You're the one with the belief structure.

Here's how it goes:

Joe: I think I can run to the end of the block
Fred: No way, you're too fat:

Joe runs to the end of the block, proving it.

In your world...

Joe: I think I can run to the end of the block
Fred: No way, you're too fat:
Joe: Oh yeah? Prove that I can't

The burden of proof is on the proclaimer.

[leemajors]

Do we really need to copy/paste all those times science has been wrong?

And your point is? Scientist proves other scientist wrong, theory disproven, scientists go on testing.

[Avante]

And your point is? Scientist proves other scientist wrong, theory disproven, scientists go on testing.

How about......science has been wrong so many times how can we go with...well according to science..."...????

[silverblk mystix]

There you go pushing that burden of proof again. Scientists don't have to prove or disprove shit. You're the one with the belief structure.

Here's how it goes:

Joe: I think I can run to the end of the block
Fred: No way, you're too fat:

Joe runs to the end of the block, proving it.

In your world...

Joe: I think I can run to the end of the block
Fred: No way, you're too fat:
Joe: Oh yeah? Prove that I can't

The burden of proof is on the proclaimer.


Bad analogy. I didn't say god existed. I said science is not superior when it comes to the issue or the idea of god.

[leemajors]

How about......science has been wrong so many times how can we go with...well according to science..."...????

You just don't get it.

[Avante]

You just don't get it.

Well one of us doesn't that's for damn sure.

[leemajors]

Well one of us doesn't that's for damn sure.

Maybe it's your lack of education.

[Avante]

Maybe it's your lack of education.

You have idea how funny that is?

[leemajors]

You have idea how funny that is?

It wasn't a joke. You've demonstrated it repeatedly, and not just in this thread.

[Avante]

It wasn't a joke. You've demonstrated it repeatedly, and not just in this thread.

Such as..???

[Blake]

Bad analogy. I didn't say god existed. I said science is not superior when it comes to the issue or the idea of god.

It was a good analogy.

You're just stupid.

[Blake]

Such as..???

You're stupider.

[silverblk mystix]

It was a good analogy.

You're just stupid.

The angry name-caller is back rofl.

[Avante]

The angry name-caller is back rofl.

For a guy who does nothing here but follow you/me around he sure has a big mouth doesn't he?

[Clipper Nation]

How about......science has been wrong so many times how can we go with...well according to science..."...????

You clearly have no idea what the Scientific Method is, so the fact that you're trying to argue about science is laughable, tbh....

P.S. You're a faggot

[Blake]

The angry name-caller is back rofl.

Looks to me he's been here the whole time rofl.

[Blake]

For a guy who does nothing here but follow you/me around he sure has a big mouth doesn't he?

You're just an angry dumbfuck, dumbfuck.

And a liar.

[mouse]

Keyword think




Here's how it goes:

Joe: I think I can run to the end of the block
Fred: No way, you're too fat:

Joe runs to the end of the block, proving it.

In your world...

Joe: I think I can run to the end of the block
Fred: No way, you're too fat:
Joe: Oh yeah? Prove that I can't

The burden of proof is on the proclaimer.


Science proclaims man Evolved from primate where's the proof?

[Bill_Brasky]

It's always the same people arguing with Avante, SA210, SBM.

[RandomGuy]

Do we have the cell phone today? Sure, so how come we didn't have the cell phone a 1000, 500, 100, years ago?

Um, what?

Relevence?

[RandomGuy]

The only real way to get to the truth is evidence.






Do you think this also applies to the question of a god - and how can this be when no one knows what a god is? How do you apply this logic on an absolute mystery? (Serious question)

Isn't it convenient that science assigns the "burden of proof" on the other side so they never have to prove that a god does in fact exist?


How do you know god is an "absolute mystery"? It would seem to be a pretty solvable mystery to me. We apply standards of evidence to everything else. To think that we should not apply some standard of evidence to claims about god is simply what is known as a "special pleading" logical fallacy.

The burden of proof applies to whomever makes a claim.

"There is a God" is a claim.

"There is no God" is a claim.

Both require proof.

I, however, don't claim that "There is no God". I just have not seen any sound reasoning or sufficient evidence to prove there is a God. I really haven't seen any evidence, actually.

Pretty big claim, means pretty big evidence is required.

It is though, possible that there is a God, to me. I just don't know for certain.

What I am certain about, is that the God of the bible, or the q'uran is bunk, hokum, bullshit, fairy tales, and/or superstition.

[RandomGuy]

You're not thinking little one.

Just because us humans haven't figured something out yet doesn;t mean it doesn't exist.

I know...zoooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

A version of the "God in the gaps" argument, gotcha.

As I said, it is possible God exists and that we will figure it out someday.

"God does not exist" is not my claim, though.

I will say we have no evidence of such a thing now. In 1750 we had no evidence that a single hand-held device would be capable of projecting our voice tens of thousands of miles. It would have been irrational at that time to think that such a thing existed.

Today we have no evidence that god exists. It is therefore irrational to think such a thing exists.

Now, if you are willing to admit belief in god/God/whatever is irrational, then we might be able to come to an agreement.

[silverblk mystix]

How do you know god is an "absolute mystery"? It would seem to be a pretty solvable mystery to me. We apply standards of evidence to everything else. To think that we should not apply some standard of evidence to claims about god is simply what is known as a "special pleading" logical fallacy.




If it is a "pretty solvable mystery" why has no one solved it in thousands of years? If something is "beyond" concepts and "beyond" formulas - it is unsolvable and even unexplained. You cannot even put it into words - what makes you think it is a solvable mystery?
Theologians ultimate knowledge on this subject is that it is an unexplainable mystery - and that it is unintelligible to the human mind. It will not make sense to the conceptualizing mind. Scientists - for all their - capability cannot make sense of it- ever.

The burden of proof applies to whomever makes a claim.

"There is a God" is a claim.

"There is no God" is a claim.

Both require proof.

I, however, don't claim that "There is no God". I just have not seen any sound reasoning or sufficient evidence to prove there is a God. I really haven't seen any evidence, actually.


I don't make that claim either. I do make the claim that one side is not superior to the other - those that believe there exists a god and those that don't believe a god exists.
I also make the claim that - the idea of "god" or the name "god" is a barrier to ever finding god. Maybe even a "final" barrier. You have to "lose" this concept and lose this name "god" to even be in the vicinity of understanding what you are talking about. So someone who is claiming there is a "god" - is just as lost as someone making a claim that there is no "god."

Pretty big claim, means pretty big evidence is required.

It is though, possible that there is a God, to me. I just don't know for certain.

What I am certain about, is that the God of the bible, or the q'uran is bunk, hokum, bullshit, fairy tales, and/or superstition.


??I don't subscribe to that idea of "god" either fwiw. ^

[johnsmith]

??I don't subscribe to that idea of "god" either fwiw. ^

I'm being serious here, but explain to me (the quick version) your label theory again....if you don't mind.

[Avante]

It's always the same people arguing with Avante, SA210, SBM.

Yep, same old dummies who can't do anything on their own.

[Blake]

I do make the claim that one side is not superior to the other - those that believe there exists a god and those that don't believe a god exists.

Those that believe in the God of the Bible are definitely inferior in at least several ways to those that don't.

[Blake]

I'm being serious here, but explain to me (the quick version) your label theory again....if you don't mind.

It's simple. He despises labels unless he needs to use them when he flips the grudge switch on.

[Avante]

Those that believe in the God of the Bible are definitely inferior in at least several ways to those that don't.

Little man I know far far far far far and far more intelligent people than you who believe in the Bible.

[Blake]

Little man I know far far far far far and far more intelligent people than you who believe in the Bible.

You've even admitted the Bible is ridiculous.

You're stupid.

[silverblk mystix]

Those that believe in the God of the Bible are definitely inferior in at least several ways to those that don't.


Angry and unhappy and stupid - is no way to go through life, son.

[silverblk mystix]

I'm being serious here, but explain to me (the quick version) your label theory again....if you don't mind.

I have a label theory?

How does this relate to the concept or idea of god?

Oh, and a quick version - would not explain some spiritual things....so this is why I am asking that you specify.

[Avante]

You've even admitted the Bible is ridiculous.

You're stupid.

Stupid is thinking....I don't know far far far far and far more intelligent people thasn you do believe in the Bible.

[Avante]

Angry and unhappy and stupid - is no way to go through life, son.

I bet you pity the little shit also...huh?

[Blake]

Angry and unhappy and stupid - is no way to go through life, son.

Everyone not named silverblk mystix or Avante knows that silverblk mystix and Avante are the two most miserable, angry and stupid posters on this board.

[Avante]

Everyone not named silverblk mystix or Avante knows that silverblk mystix and Avante are the two most miserable, angry and stupid posters on this board.

As you do nothing here but follow us around, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trust me amigo nobody here is thinking...boy that Blake sure is smart......hahahahha!

You're a joke little man and we all see it.

I got a challenge for ya faggot, ignore us.

[Blake]

I got a challenge for ya faggot, ignore us.

Your angry, bigoted, lying, stupid ass would like that.

[silverblk mystix]

I bet you pity the little shit also...huh?

Yeah, I pity that he will never wake up and go to his grave while sleepwalking his entire life. Pathetic.

[Avante]

Your angry, bigoted, lying, stupid ass would like that.

MELTDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Yeah, I pity that he will never wake up and go to his grave while sleepwalking his entire life. Pathetic.

Yep, the little freak is without question...Pathetic.

[Blake]

While I step out of the thread, I'll give you a topic to discuss:

Me.

Go!

[Avante]

While I step out of the thread, I'll give you a topic to discuss:

Me.

Go!

Look stupid you really haven't noticed I only talk to your dumb ass when I look down and see you humping on my leg? Fuck yes you have. Stop bugging me and see if I talk to you. Nobody cares about you idiot..until..you bug them. You're boring, uneducated, don't know a fucking thing, a leech, a cry baby and most of all one gigantic asshole.

[johnsmith]

I have a label theory?

How does this relate to the concept or idea of god?

Oh, and a quick version - would not explain some spiritual things....so this is why I am asking that you specify.


It doesn't relate to God....I just remember you posting a bunch about 'labels' and how human beings cloud their ability to think freely by applying them to things....or something like that....I honestly don't remember and that's why I'm asking.

[johnsmith]

Yeah, I pity that he will never wake up and go to his grave while sleepwalking his entire life. Pathetic.

That...explain that again.

[silverblk mystix]

It doesn't relate to God....I just remember you posting a bunch about 'labels' and how human beings cloud their ability to think freely by applying them to things....or something like that....I honestly don't remember and that's why I'm asking.

Is this the new "polite" johnsmith...

or is there a method to your "trolling"

[johnsmith]

Is this the new "polite" johnsmith...

or is there a method to your "trolling"

I'm certainly not going to change and suddenly be polite on here, but I felt like (sometime around game 6) that our arguments had pretty much ran their course and I was sorta tired of it. By all means, I still think you're an idiot and I'm sure you feel the same way about me, but even the back and forth had lost the humor and fun.

[silverblk mystix]

I'm certainly not going to change and suddenly be polite on here, but I felt like (sometime around game 6) that our arguments had pretty much ran their course and I was sorta tired of it. By all means, I still think you're an idiot and I'm sure you feel the same way about me, but even the back and forth had lost the humor and fun.


So is there a practical reason you are asking questions - or basically just asking me stuff - to confirm your conclusions about how you feel about me? And of course to add further insults just for kicks....?

[johnsmith]

So is there a practical reason you are asking questions - or basically just asking me stuff - to confirm your conclusions about how you feel about me? And of course to add further insults just for kicks....?

Lol...SBM...I swear to you I was asking out of genuine curiosity....no underlying motives....no intention of shitting on you afterwards....nothing but actual interest.

[silverblk mystix]

Lol...SBM...I swear to you I was asking out of genuine curiosity....no underlying motives....no intention of shitting on you afterwards....nothing but actual interest.

Fair enough;

There is nothing wrong with labels per se, they are useful for categorizing things and in mechanical endeavors - it helps to label things and put them in their neat little place.

In matters of spirituality, life, love, freedom, god, etc....whatever you choose to call it... labels are a filter to reality.

For example;

When you were a child and you came in with a clean slate - your parents, society, religion, culture, etc....

Labeled you a christian/rich/white/short/skinny ...whatever....each of those labels - colored the way you see the world...so instead of seeing reality as it is - you saw it from the eyes of a christian/rich/white/short/skinny individual. So if your vision was 100% when you started - it began to dwindle - as you got used to the colored vision.

Now add in fears/ desires/ attachments/prejudices/likes/dislikes/ to this view of the world - and your vision slowly degenerated to where you could almost be said to be blind.

Now, wherever you go - you bring this filtered/clouded/colored vision to the world and you see things that are not there and you DON'T see things that are actually there because - your vision is distorted and you are perceiving the world from a distorted view.

Almost all of us were raised this way by well-meaning people who were trying to teach us about life - but were in fact handicapping us.

Lots more to say but this is just a small dose of this topic....

The labels are not the problem - the Identifying of and with these labels to prevent you from perceiving reality correctly is the main harm in this identifying of labels.

Not sure if this is what you were referring to.