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Johnny RIngo

08-12-2013, 02:39 PM

TOSB Manu becoming a crutch for Pop was sad to see. Playoff Parker showing up and fucking things up was depressing(TP had his first great playoff run in 2013...until the Finals). Watching TD turn back the clock only for Pop to fuck it all up with his overcoaching was infuriating.

therealtruth

08-12-2013, 05:56 PM

I actually thought the Heat's defense should be credited for some of those turnovers from Manu. I just can't see him giving the game away to the Heat especially playing for an NBA title, no way. It's either the Heat's defense or Ginobili needs to have his eyes examined, maybe he needs glasses. I really think it was the Heat's defense more than Manu trying to help Miami win. LOL at that pic of him in a Heat jersey.

I also thought Pop overreacted at the end of game 6 there, taking Timmy out, it was a coaching mistake at the wrong, wrong time. It ruined the flow of the game the Spurs had built and led to the eventual Ray Allen 3 off the Bosh rebound tied the game it went to OT. Pop is one of the NBA greatest coaches ever but even the best coaches can make mistakes, it just sucks it came at such a time as winning a possible NBA title up by 5 points in the closing moments of game 6. Yeah taking Timmy out at that time will haunt him as a coach, no doubt. Leaving Timmy in could have made it harder for Bosh to get that rebound that went to Ray, outcome different maybe. I was thinking wtf are you taking Timmy out of the game for with so much at stake, it was a bad coaching decision by Pop. I am sure he would leave Tim in the game if they could do it all over again. Still even if Tim had stayed in the game it's anybody's guess how that would have played out, except that Bosh would have had a harder time getting a rebound.

I can live with the Heat still making the 3 as long as I know we played our best defensive lineup.

therealtruth

08-12-2013, 05:59 PM

You are right, he plays not to lose alot instead of to win. The Spurs down the stretch of so many games I have seen just slow it down or fail to score or have some crap play drawn up and just hope to hold on! They were not playing to win as you said, moreso playing to just hold on and hope they pull it out. The lineups etc. he had out there to prevent a three did not prevent crap, instead it made sure the three was not even fully covered and rebounds were not there as well because he went small all the way. I would have had Splitter and Tim out there personally, hell you hit a three (Which they did) okay, but to miss and have no rebounds out there twice is a joke (They got both boards).
Some of those TO's he had were just running and stumbling and handing the ball to the other team, very very unbelievable IMO if you look at some of those unforced TO's that it is even possible to lose the ball. He looked drunk out there at times just throwing the ball right ot the other team or handing it to a player it seemed. If you did not know the competitor he is and follow the NBA you would have think he was throwing the game, honestly.

Their D was good though, very good D team no doubt.

I agree with you about playing Splitter and TD. We saw how they closed out the Grizzlies series defensively in end of game situations. Splitter's one of the best big man in his ability to switch on the guard and still force the miss.

Chillen

08-13-2013, 05:32 AM

You are right, he plays not to lose alot instead of to win. The Spurs down the stretch of so many games I have seen just slow it down or fail to score or have some crap play drawn up and just hope to hold on! They were not playing to win as you said, moreso playing to just hold on and hope they pull it out. The lineups etc. he had out there to prevent a three did not prevent crap, instead it made sure the three was not even fully covered and rebounds were not there as well because he went small all the way. I would have had Splitter and Tim out there personally, hell you hit a three (Which they did) okay, but to miss and have no rebounds out there twice is a joke (They got both boards).
Some of those TO's he had were just running and stumbling and handing the ball to the other team, very very unbelievable IMO if you look at some of those unforced TO's that it is even possible to lose the ball. He looked drunk out there at times just throwing the ball right ot the other team or handing it to a player it seemed. If you did not know the competitor he is and follow the NBA you would have think he was throwing the game, honestly.

Their D was good though, very good D team no doubt.

There definitely was some questionable turnovers by Manu in the Finals, purposely throwing the game is a stretch, I highly doubt that but yeah it's a little bit of both. He did give the ball away to Miami plenty of times, not sure why but maybe he was tired or drunk.

Bullshit, the Spurs choked and the Heat got lucky. The Spurs were the better team and should have won the series.

IMO the Spurs were good enough to win that championship, and played hard enough and better than Miami and the difference being the Heat got lucky plenty of times in that series, one to many because they lost the series.

Amuseddaysleeper

08-13-2013, 09:39 AM

That was the most crushing loss in NBA history.

TDomination

08-13-2013, 10:05 AM

That was the most crushing loss in NBA history.

It still hurts, it still pisses me off. I have all the NBA Finals games recorded on my DVR. I've been able to watch game 7 again but I have been unable to watch game 6.

I am so anxious for this upcoming season to start, I truly believe this team can do it again and get back to the Finals. BUT WE NEED THE #1 SEED, homecourt throughout. If we are playing at the ATT Center in games 6 and 7 last year, we are champions no question.

Amuseddaysleeper

08-13-2013, 11:14 AM

I hope so, everything aligned so perfectly for SA last year.

timtonymanu

08-13-2013, 01:09 PM

Honestly, I'm not hurt about the Finals like a lot of you because the Heat are good at toying with teams that think they have them beat (see the regular season game we played them in Miami, ECF Game 1 against Indiana, Game 6 Finals). Of course, our loss was the worst since it was on the biggest stage, but I never felt safe about the game because the Heat are clutch as fuck down the stretch. And even with the Spurs peaking in the playoffs and the Heat sucking for most of the ECF, I still the Heat as the favorites. I give the Spurs credit for making it a great series. Too bad they couldn't seal the deal.

Of course, if Duncan never sees a title again after this year, it will hurt, but right now, I'm over it. Hopefully the guys have one more run in them and hopefully injuries don't fail them again and we can right back there next season.

Sean Cagney

08-13-2013, 01:21 PM

There definitely was some questionable turnovers by Manu in the Finals, purposely throwing the game is a stretch, I highly doubt that but yeah it's a little bit of both. He did give the ball away to Miami plenty of times, not sure why but maybe he was tired or drunk.

IMO the Spurs were good enough to win that championship, and played hard enough and better than Miami and the difference being the Heat got lucky plenty of times in that series, one to many because they lost the series.
Yep, didn't say he gave it away on purpose but if you are an an outsider watching and don't know who he is then you might say is he trying to throw the game? That would cross my mind :( He looked like you said tired or drunk.

BTW on the second part, luck plays a part on most title runs, even some of ours we had some luck. I agree on all you said.

therealtruth

08-13-2013, 05:31 PM

The Spurs late game execution has been shaky for a couple of years now. You used to be able to always give the Spurs the benefit of the doubt in close games.

Budkin

08-13-2013, 05:47 PM

That was the most crushing loss in NBA history.

It has to be... there's been plenty of situations like that where there have been improbable last second comebacks, but never one where the other team literally took the title out of the hands of their opponent.

texbound

08-13-2013, 07:24 PM

“Over Macho Grande?” "No, I don't think I'll ever get over macho Grande"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BjBdFPyxuak&t=43

21209

08-13-2013, 08:20 PM

The Spurs late game execution has been shaky for a couple of years now. You used to be able to always give the Spurs the benefit of the doubt in close games.

This.

It was a problem during many games during the regular season such as the road game in Utah, both regular season games against the Heat, the game in Golden State, the home loss to Phoenix, the home loss to the Knicks, the last second loss at Houston plus a few others. They were in control of all of those games and let them slip away.

Had their late game execution been what it was in years past, they're battling Miami for the best record in the league.

therealtruth

08-13-2013, 09:59 PM

It has to be... there's been plenty of situations like that where there have been improbable last second comebacks, but never one where the other team literally took the title out of the hands of their opponent.

The reason it doesn't happen is that teams in that position win greater than 99%. In the playoffs it's 100% I believe. That 99% figure includes all those inexperienced teams that play during the regular season. It's unheard of for a veteran team to not know how to close a game. Coaches have so much control over end of game situations with the ability to sub on almost each possession. You can put your best free throw shooters in the game when the other team is forced to foul.

Duncanforthree

08-14-2013, 01:46 AM

In my mind, we won.

Fuck the HGH Heat.

galvanizedspur9

08-14-2013, 02:02 AM

Just like the Lakers, fuck the Heat. How any Spurs fan can stand idle to the mention of the Heat without thinking up thoughts of cheating and collusion is a travesty. Fuck Lebron. He will always be a pussy who couldn't win without joining other superstars.

Ice009

08-14-2013, 04:13 AM

It still hurts, it still pisses me off. I have all the NBA Finals games recorded on my DVR. I've been able to watch game 7 again but I have been unable to watch game 6.

I am so anxious for this upcoming season to start, I truly believe this team can do it again and get back to the Finals. BUT WE NEED THE #1 SEED, homecourt throughout. If we are playing at the ATT Center in games 6 and 7 last year, we are champions no question.

If game 6 and 7 was at home, I think we would have blown them out. Sucks that we didn't have home court. Some of those East teams in the regular season didn't pose any challenge to Miami whatsoever. Still, lots of other teams other teams that played in Miami got blown out. The Spurs went toe to toe with them on their homecourt and even outplayed them for the majority of game 6 till they fucked it all up at the end. It still shits me that we allowed them back in, in game 6 and didn't snuff them out. I was so angry at Pop when he started that regular season lineup at the start of the 4th quarter in game 6 of the NBA finals. I have no idea what the fuck he was thinking at times in both game 6 and 7. There is a lot of things that I wouldn't have done if I was in his position coaching the 4th quarter of game 6, still can't believe some of his decisions.

philldafunk

08-14-2013, 08:08 AM

A few of ginobes turnovers were just horrid.... I'm so over the let's get midair before I decide what I want to do with the ball thing.

Budkin

08-14-2013, 02:07 PM

A few of ginobes turnovers were just horrid.... I'm so over the let's get midair before I decide what I want to do with the ball thing.

That is one of the first things you learn in basketball 101. NEVER leave your feet before you pass.

Budkin

08-14-2013, 02:09 PM

The reason it doesn't happen is that teams in that position win greater than 99%. In the playoffs it's 100% I believe. That 99% figure includes all those inexperienced teams that play during the regular season. It's unheard of for a veteran team to not know how to close a game. Coaches have so much control over end of game situations with the ability to sub on almost each possession. You can put your best free throw shooters in the game when the other team is forced to foul.

When I was thinking about how close it came to happening was in Game 6 Heat at Mavs in 2006. Heat up 3, Wade gets fouled and can put the game away. Misses both free throws, Mavs come down with a chance to tie and Terry barely misses the 3. If that game goes to OT Mavs probably win and then win Game 7. Luckily for them they got the rebound. :(

therealtruth

08-14-2013, 06:39 PM

That is one of the first things you learn in basketball 101. NEVER leave your feet before you pass.

I agree it's better to not leave your feet. But what's worse than that is telegraphing your passes. That's what Ginobili was doing. He was leaving his feet and telegraphing his passes.

Obstructed_View

08-15-2013, 08:25 AM

I'd hope that nobody that reads Spurstalk would be on the "I'll never forgive Pop" side of this. Everyone knew Pop did this shit long before game 6. It's not the first title he's cost the team with his lineup decisions.

Budkin

08-15-2013, 12:29 PM

Amuseddaysleeper

08-20-2013, 11:01 PM

This thread needs to be stickied.

2014 season doesn't even matter until the playoffs with this shit hanging over like a shadow.

Baam

08-20-2013, 11:25 PM

This thread needs to be stickied.

2014 season doesn't even matter until the playoffs with this shit hanging over like a shadow.

Like it will go away next POs... That shit will stick with us forever like TP said on his deathbed he will still think about it.

Game 6 will be the most watched Spurs game in history, even if game 7 technically did better game 6 is the game people will rewatch for years and years to come.

SpursRock20

08-20-2013, 11:27 PM

Like it will go away next POs... That shit will stick with us forever like TP said on his deathbed he will still think about it.

Game 6 will be the most watched Spurs game in history, even if game 7 technically did better game 6 is the game people will rewatch for years and years to come.
The sting might never go away, but it will feel a whole lot better if we can somehow win it all next year.

therealtruth

08-21-2013, 01:34 AM

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silverblk mystix

08-21-2013, 05:47 PM

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Arnold Toht

08-21-2013, 08:18 PM

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Budkin

08-22-2013, 01:36 AM

Great read right here;

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2013/8/18/4630452/stamplers-take-pop-bears-the-blame-for-the-game-6-loss-spurs-heat

Reading that was a fucking mistake. I feel like puking again.

Sean Cagney

08-22-2013, 01:39 AM

Reading that was a fucking mistake. I feel like puking again.

Yep, great read! WHY the FUCK did I read it again? Why did I need to relive that again? I started to get over it, then I read that shit there. I will not be reading it again soon.
2006 Mavs was the worst.

Yep, your damn right it was, that was our threepeat there and POP with his small shit cost us that.

21209

08-22-2013, 01:45 AM

Aaron Stampler with the truth bombs. The article on Pop is spot on.

justinandimcool

08-22-2013, 02:14 AM

I accepted Pop a long time ago, and I'm over the loss (though I still haven't rewatched it). I admit that the regular season doesn't appeal to me though, I feel like no win matters until we get back to the postseason. It's hard to be excited about the Spurs right now, tbh...maybe the closer we get to opening night.

spurraider21

08-22-2013, 02:32 AM

HI-FI

08-22-2013, 03:24 AM

pretty much this, except i've rewatched game 6 and 7 a ton of times :lol
:lolmasochist
i actually watched every Spurs playoff game and repeat this season, normally I just try to catch almost all of their playoff games. But this time, I couldn't even bare to rewatch the last couple games of the Finals. however, I'm actually interested in re-watching it, i guess I'm prepared for the massacre. You got it DVRd or do you know a good link to download them?

Yep, great read! WHY the FUCK did I read it again? Why did I need to relive that again? I started to get over it, then I read that shit there. I will not be reading it again soon.

I actually found that article incredibly therapeutic. People will say "get over it" but I'm not sure one ever does, i guess they simply accept it. So in that sense, at least to me the most important thing is to learn from it. That article went a long way towards that.

Watching Duncan leave the game at the infamous 28 seconds, I just got a bad feeling in me, and I don't think it's hindsight 20/20 because while watching it just now, I was actually lost in the moment. But you can just tell without Duncan, a massive force or impact player is not there. He does things that you can't quantify but you feel it and so does the opponents. I remember watching that game live, I just had this sinking feeling in Pop, like he was the drunk captain of the Exxon Valdez. He just wasn't dialed in properly.

That article was great but this was the money quote.

If the first time Pop sat Duncan was a poorly-conceived idea, the second time was simply outright asinine. There's just no other word for it. It was Pop not getting over himself. He messed up the first time, didn't want to admit it, and did the exact same thing again.

silverblk mystix

08-22-2013, 09:56 AM

Yep, great read! WHY the FUCK did I read it again? Why did I need to relive that again? I started to get over it, then I read that shit there. I will not be reading it again soon.

Yep, your damn right it was, that was our threepeat there and POP with his small shit cost us that.

This is the problem with Spurstalk fans - they want to get over it - without understanding that Pop needs to move back to a gm job.

So - you get what you pay for. Keep supporting Pop - keep playing for 2nd place.

spurraider21

08-22-2013, 10:31 AM

silverblk mystix

08-22-2013, 10:59 AM

k lets put pop back at gm. who should we hire as coach?

You can worry about that when Pop is out of the coaching spot.

spurraider21

08-22-2013, 11:14 AM

You can worry about that when Pop is out of the coaching spot.

typical :rolleyes

keep dodging the question

Sean Cagney

08-22-2013, 11:22 AM

This is the problem with Spurstalk fans - they want to get over it - without understanding that Pop needs to move back to a gm job.

So - you get what you pay for. Keep supporting Pop - keep playing for 2nd place.

Pop screwed up, I have been telling fans of bball at work who still think he is great that he started to lose it years ago! The sad thing is he is so damn good at managing minutes all year long and getting us far with our guys in good shape, then goes out and can't adjust in a big series when the other coach does or POP just does what he did in game 6 and blows it! So the gift and the curse there. Would any other Coach get you there is the question? With this team?

I also hate the fact when someone is turning it over alot he lets them stay in there now, before you made one bad PASS and POP was all over you and saying sit your ass down and screaming at you, now Ginobili has 8 of them etc. and he just keeps them in and shutters on the bench? This is not the POP we knew. He was great, but is he still?

spurraider21

08-22-2013, 11:41 AM

I also hate the fact when someone is turning it over alot he lets them stay in there now, before you made one bad PASS and POP was all over you and saying sit your ass down and screaming at you, now Ginobili has 8 of them etc. and he just keeps them in and shutters on the bench? This is not the POP we knew. He was great, but is he still?

I know it goes against his pulling of Duncan end of game 6, but its still the "have your best players out there" philosophy. Manu was playing like shit in game 6, but Pop developed a sense of trust in him over the years. Didn't seem to pan out in game 6. Manu did hit 3/4 free throws in the final minute, but that one miss was brutal.

Sean Cagney

08-22-2013, 01:16 PM

I know it goes against his pulling of Duncan end of game 6, but its still the "have your best players out there" philosophy. Manu was playing like shit in game 6, but Pop developed a sense of trust in him over the years. Didn't seem to pan out in game 6. Manu did hit 3/4 free throws in the final minute, but that one miss was brutal.
Manu used to HIT ALL OF THOSE! Either that make a key steal or play at the end, missed that Manu severely last year. If he is MANU we win those finals in 5 games, BOOK IT.

silverblk mystix

08-22-2013, 02:55 PM

typical :rolleyes

keep dodging the question

keep supporting pop...

spurraider21

08-22-2013, 07:06 PM

keep supporting pop...

answer a simple question, perhaps?

HI-FI

08-22-2013, 07:11 PM

I was really hoping coach Bud would've stuck around....like the article says, I can't imagine him making some of those stupid and stubborn decisions that Pop made. pop must be determined to ride Duncan til the end....other than the last 28 seconds.

Budkin

08-22-2013, 09:11 PM

silverblk mystix

08-22-2013, 09:37 PM

answer a simple question, perhaps?

Absolutely, as soon as Pop is not the coach - there will be plenty of time for speculation on who should coach the Spurs.

Since Pop is still the coach - it is irrelevant.

Question answered.

HI-FI

08-22-2013, 09:43 PM

I think he was resting him for a potential game 7.
you're probably being facetious but I think there is some sad truth in it. Pop was either playing not to lose, therefore resting Duncan, or wanting to prove his system was bigger than Duncan. either way, one of the most befuddling and shitty coaching decisions of all time imo. though not out of the ordinary for Pop.

spurraider21

08-22-2013, 10:26 PM

Absolutely, as soon as Pop is not the coach - there will be plenty of time for speculation on who should coach the Spurs.

Since Pop is still the coach - it is irrelevant.

Question answered.
No, you didnt answer my question. You want to fire pop ever so desperately. It stands to reason you could make a preferable alternative, but apparently you can't. Ill actualy help you. Process of elimination. We fire pop. Would you like Vinny del negro?

TheGreatYacht

08-23-2013, 12:08 AM

You guys can't let go of it. Looks like the same thing is happening at http://www.poundingtherock.com/. BRAVO! I am very amused to see that someone at PTR is not a Popsucker. I tried visiting that website one time but I just can't stand the horde of Popsuckers and Manutards on that place.

Excellent read tbh. The best I've seen from PTR.
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I accepted Pop a long time ago, and I'm over the loss (though I still haven't rewatched it). I admit that the regular season doesn't appeal to me though, I feel like no win matters until we get back to the postseason. It's hard to be excited about the Spurs right now, tbh...maybe the closer we get to opening night.:lmao. How can you be over the loss yet you haven't rewatched any of the games? SMH... typical Popsucker reaction. "I'll forgive Pop for anything he does. Actually, Pop can do no wrong."
Pop screwed up, I have been telling fans of bball at work who still think he is great that he started to lose it years ago! The sad thing is he is so damn good at managing minutes all year long and getting us far with our guys in good shape, then goes out and can't adjust in a big series when the other coach does or POP just does what he did in game 6 and blows it! So the gift and the curse there. Would any other Coach get you there is the question? With this team?

I also hate the fact when someone is turning it over alot he lets them stay in there now, before you made one bad PASS and POP was all over you and saying sit your ass down and screaming at you, now Ginobili has 8 of them etc. and he just keeps them in and shutters on the bench? This is not the POP we knew. He was great, but is he still?I agree. Pop has gone senile for quite some time now. LOL, I remember Pop once calling Manu "crazy." God I miss that old Pop. If Pop thought that Manu was crazy back then, then I can't believe he failed to see that Manu was mentally disturbed during the NBA Finals.
I know it goes against his pulling of Duncan end of game 6, but its still the "have your best players out there" philosophy. Manu was playing like shit in game 6, but Pop developed a sense of trust in him over the years. Didn't seem to pan out in game 6. Manu did hit 3/4 free throws in the final minute, but that one miss was brutal.Wrong. The senile Pop has that new "have your best players out there" mentality. The old Pop would yank a player no matter how important he was to the team. Remember Pop yanking out Stephen Jackson in Game 6 of the 2003 NBA Finals against the Nets when he was a starter? Remember Pop yanking out Tony Parker for Speedy Claxton or Brent Barry? Those types of decisions were made by Pop in his prime.

Ironically senile Pop yanked out Tim Duncan in the last 28 seconds of Game 6 for playing well while Pop kept insisting on leaving that 36 year old washed up SG of Manu on the floor the entire game.

justinandimcool

08-23-2013, 12:15 AM

SMH... typical Popsucker reaction. "I'll forgive Pop for anything he does. Actually, Pop can do no wrong."

:lol worst troll ever. I'd been calling for Pop's head since 2009, even haters have to wave the white flag eventually instead of crying like a bitch in every thread. 5th step is acceptance.

TheGreatYacht

08-23-2013, 12:30 AM

:lol worst troll ever. I'd been calling for Pop's head since 2009, even haters have to wave the white flag eventually instead of crying like a bitch in every thread. 5th step is acceptance.Not really. I've never called for his head. As SBM would say, "only losers accept failure."

silverblk mystix

08-23-2013, 08:40 AM

No, you didnt answer my question. You want to fire pop ever so desperately. It stands to reason you could make a preferable alternative, but apparently you can't. Ill actualy help you. Process of elimination. We fire pop. Would you like Vinny del negro?

You have reading comprehension issues. I don't want Pop fired....just have him go to his gm/front office position - since his fire is gone and has been gone for years.

Once that happens - then it will be time - to speculate about new coaches. Until that happens - we are just pissing in the wind - and you can do that without me.

Blake

08-23-2013, 09:05 AM

You have reading comprehension issues. I don't want Pop fired....just have him go to his gm/front office position - since his fire is gone and has been gone for years.

Once that happens - then it will be time - to speculate about new coaches. Until that happens - we are just pissing in the wind - and you can do that without me.

Moving Pop to the front office against his will is firing him a coach.

You have intelligence issues.

silverblk mystix

08-23-2013, 10:21 AM

Moving Pop to the front office against his will is firing him a coach.

You have intelligence issues.

Actually, no.

This is idiotic.

Pop - although he is past his prime as a coach - is/was an excellent front office person. He still has tons of great qualities/knowledge for the franchise - but his weakest talent is his coaching.

Idiots always make idiotic comments - so don't feel bad about your idiocy. It is just who you are.

spurraider21

08-23-2013, 11:26 AM

You have reading comprehension issues. I don't want Pop fired....just have him go to his gm/front office position - since his fire is gone and has been gone for years.

Once that happens - then it will be time - to speculate about new coaches. Until that happens - we are just pissing in the wind - and you can do that without me.

:lol semantics

again, Pop is removed as head coach and is placed in a front office position. do you want Vinny Del Negro?

McGusto55

08-23-2013, 11:34 AM

Not over it....FUCKKKKKK.....

silverblk mystix

08-23-2013, 12:18 PM

:lol semantics

again, Pop is removed as head coach and is placed in a front office position. do you want Vinny Del Negro?

Again, work on your reading comprehension.

First, remove Pop as coach.

Then...

we'll discuss afterwards.

spurraider21

08-23-2013, 12:29 PM

Again, work on your reading comprehension.

First, remove Pop as coach.

Then...

we'll discuss afterwards.

you don't remove somebody from a position unless you have a plan/alternative. otherwise you'll end up stuck with a vinny

silverblk mystix

08-23-2013, 01:11 PM

you don't remove somebody from a position unless you have a plan/alternative. otherwise you'll end up stuck with a vinny

Pop would have a successor in mind if he ever stepped back....hopefully - the successor would be young and hungry with something to prove and the fire that only an unproven coach has.

I can't see Pop choosing an established coach like a PJ...so spurs fans would have to hope Pop chooses well.

Budkin

08-23-2013, 01:57 PM

you're probably being facetious but I think there is some sad truth in it. Pop was either playing not to lose, therefore resting Duncan, or wanting to prove his system was bigger than Duncan. either way, one of the most befuddling and shitty coaching decisions of all time imo. though not out of the ordinary for Pop.

I was... unforgivable decision that cost Tim his 5th.

timtonymanu

08-23-2013, 02:00 PM

Been over it, tbh. Doesn't make me think I'm better than the rest of you, but meh it happened. Time to move on. I've got shittier things going on in my life right now to worry about a bunch of athletes choking away a championship.

spurraider21

08-23-2013, 02:19 PM

Pop would have a successor in mind if he ever stepped back....hopefully - the successor would be young and hungry with something to prove and the fire that only an unproven coach has.

I can't see Pop choosing an established coach like a PJ...so spurs fans would have to hope Pop chooses well.
Would you personally like that new coach to be Vinny Del Negro?

silverblk mystix

08-23-2013, 04:26 PM

Would you personally like that new coach to be Vinny Del Negro?

Ask me when Pop is gone ...pissing in the wind ...

Baam

08-23-2013, 04:50 PM

you don't remove somebody from a position unless you have a plan/alternative. otherwise you'll end up stuck with a vinny

Lionel Hollins is availlable.

spurraider21

08-23-2013, 08:40 PM

Lionel Hollins is availlable.

So you are for replacing Pop as head coach with Lionel Hollins. Think we make it as far?

spurraider21

08-23-2013, 08:41 PM

Ask me when Pop is gone ...pissing in the wind ...

its comical how you want pop out but have no replacement in mind

Baam

08-23-2013, 09:22 PM

So you are for replacing Pop as head coach with Lionel Hollins. Think we make it as far?

Hollins improved his team every single year, it's pretty remarkable...

I just wish we let someone else get a crack at this roster... Pop is mentally destroyed, if you did a MRI scan of his brain you'd see a mini Eric Spoelstra living in there, beat him with a team of scrubs in his house in the regular season, basically beating him at his own game and taking a huge dump on him and then pulled off the biggest mindfuck in nba history when he took advantage of Pop choking in the Finals.

Even Phil Jackson never humiliated Pop like that, it's over, old fart is punch drunk, senile, whatever you want to call it. Look at Riley helping his team from the stands and watching tape with Speolstra, guy is helping his team the best way he can, complete opposite of Pop...

People want to be romantic about the Spurs and want the 4 main guys to retire/leave together but it's stupid as fuck, it means some of them won't leave at the right/rational time, it's anti Spurs, Robinson left at the right time for instance, he left on top and didn't drag his team down like Manu and Pop are gonna do the next two years.

Baam

08-23-2013, 09:28 PM

You can say that everything went wrong but if you look at it objectively everything went extremely right, from Westbrook getting injured to the Pacers taking the Heat to a game 7... Nothing could have gone better, so when the conditions were that favorable and you still can't do it then any rational person will tell you that you can't do it bar none as constructed...

silverblk mystix

08-23-2013, 09:42 PM

its comical how you want pop out but have no replacement in mind

It is comical how Pop is still the coach and you want me to name his replacement.

spurraider21

08-23-2013, 10:09 PM

It is comical how Pop is still the coach and you want me to name his replacement.
Not askin you to predict the future. Name a coach you WANT to replace him with

silverblk mystix

08-24-2013, 02:54 PM

Not askin you to predict the future. Name a coach you WANT to replace him with

I want to see this first;

Spurs coaching position vacant.

Then the question will matter.

spurraider21

08-24-2013, 03:05 PM

I want to see this first;

Spurs coaching position vacant.

Then the question will matter.
ur a joke dude. Don't give me the "I don't have time to deal with hypotheticals" crap if you have the time to respond to 8 of my posts in this thread. I'm asking you to name a potential candidate you'd like. The question doesn't have to be relevant and doesn't have to "matter" at the moment, but you can't go around firing head coaches unless there's some sort of contingency plan or list of replacement candidates. So far your list has 0 names so you'd be a fool to want to can the coach

therealtruth

08-24-2013, 03:13 PM

ur a joke dude. Don't give me the "I don't have time to deal with hypotheticals" crap if you have the time to respond to 8 of my posts in this thread. I'm asking you to name a potential candidate you'd like. The question doesn't have to be relevant and doesn't have to "matter" at the moment, but you can't go around firing head coaches unless there's some sort of contingency plan or list of replacement candidates. So far your list has 0 names so you'd be a fool to want to can the coach

I think Bud would have been a good option before he left.

Hoops Czar

08-24-2013, 03:21 PM

Not askin you to predict the future. Name a coach you WANT to replace him with

Phil Jackson

silverblk mystix

08-24-2013, 03:34 PM

ur a joke dude. Don't give me the "I don't have time to deal with hypotheticals" crap if you have the time to respond to 8 of my posts in this thread. I'm asking you to name a potential candidate you'd like. The question doesn't have to be relevant and doesn't have to "matter" at the moment, but you can't go around firing head coaches unless there's some sort of contingency plan or list of replacement candidates. So far your list has 0 names so you'd be a fool to want to can the coach

I am giving you this -

I don't piss in the wind. Get rid of the cancer - then we'll talk.

spurraider21

08-24-2013, 03:46 PM

Phil Jackson
Phil Jackson repeatedly said he's not coaching. Might as well say red Auerbach

I am giving you this -

I don't piss in the wind. Get rid of the cancer - then we'll talk.
So pop is the worst coach in the nba and anybody else would do better?

Hoops Czar

08-24-2013, 04:07 PM

Phil Jackson repeatedly said he's not coaching. Might as well say red Auerbach

Your question is an exercise in futility. Popovich isn't stepping down so there's no need to name a replacement.

Btw, you asked who do you WANT to coach, not who's available. To your point about Phil, he's not coming back to coach the Spurs but I wouldn't put it past him to coach again.

silverblk mystix

08-24-2013, 04:13 PM

Your question is an exercise in futility. Popovich isn't stepping down so there's no need to name a replacement.

Btw, you asked who do you WANT to coach, not who's available. To your point about Phil, he's not coming back to coach the Spurs but I wouldn't put it past him to coach again.

silverblk mystix

08-24-2013, 04:13 PM

Phil Jackson repeatedly said he's not coaching. Might as well say red Auerbach

So pop is the worst coach in the nba and anybody else would do better?

lol - someone answers your ridiculous question and you retort with bullshit.

spurraider21

08-24-2013, 04:13 PM

Skull-1

08-24-2013, 04:26 PM

BRAVO! I am very amused to see that someone at PTR is not a Popsucker. I tried visiting that website one time but I just can't stand the horde of Popsuckers and Manutards on that place.

Excellent read tbh. The best I've seen from PTR.
How can you be over the loss yet you haven't rewatched any of the games? SMH... typical Popsucker reaction. "I'll forgive Pop for anything he does. Actually, Pop can do no wrong."I agree. Pop has gone senile for quite some time now. LOL, I remember Pop once calling Manu "crazy." God I miss that old Pop. If Pop thought that Manu was crazy back then, then I can't believe he failed to see that Manu was mentally disturbed during the NBA Finals. Wrong. The senile Pop has that new "have your best players out there" mentality. The old Pop would yank a player no matter how important he was to the team. Remember Pop yanking out Stephen Jackson in Game 6 of the 2003 NBA Finals against the Nets when he was a starter? Remember Pop yanking out Tony Parker for Speedy Claxton or Brent Barry? Those types of decisions were made by Pop in his prime.

Ironically senile Pop yanked out Tim Duncan in the last 28 seconds of Game 6 for playing well while Pop kept insisting on leaving that 36 year old washed up SG of Manu on the floor the entire game.

Boom. Truth nuke.

HI-FI

08-24-2013, 04:48 PM

worst thing about Pop is the lack of accountability. It seems like the local media is scared to call him out. He was better before developing that air of Ambassador of American/European basketball. He has these false modesty moments about how his legacy is food and wine, but clearly doesn't want to leave while he has another chance of adding to his legacy. Not saying he needs to be replaced, because this is not your average roster, but wish he would get his shit straight.

I do think we should have held onto Bud but that ship has sailed. Pop deserves a lot of credit but should also be notified of when he keeps fucking stuff up, whether that's because of his ego or he had too much to drink, I don't know. I don't mind him sticking around with Duncan but we should actively be finding a good replacement.

dbreiden83080

08-24-2013, 08:22 PM

worst thing about Pop is the lack of accountability. It seems like the local media is scared to call him out.

He's in that rare company with the likes of Bobby Knight and Bill Parcells that had the media pissing down their legs at the thought of any tough questions regarding essentially anything around the team or their decisions.

HI-FI

08-24-2013, 10:47 PM

He's in that rare company with the likes of Bobby Knight and Bill Parcells that had the media pissing down their legs at the thought of any tough questions regarding essentially anything around the team or their decisions.

+1

all 3 are great coaches and it could be a lot worse, but their stubbornness cost them, as did media not calling them out earlier for their dumb shit.

Sean Cagney

08-25-2013, 01:02 AM

He's in that rare company with the likes of Bobby Knight and Bill Parcells that had the media pissing down their legs at the thought of any tough questions regarding essentially anything around the team or their decisions.

Your right, he is in that exactly presence with those two right there and media is scared to ask a real question or side step him.

therealtruth

08-25-2013, 12:46 PM

Your right, he is in that exactly presence with those two right there and media is scared to ask a real question or side step him.

The problem is even if the media calls him out he tries to belittle them so they don't do it again. The only guy who asked him why he didn't foul at the end of game 6 was from Europe. He used that to criticize the guy even though it was a legitimate question. If you're not going to foul in that situation have use some other legitimate defensive strategy. The Spurs played no defense for the last 30 seconds of regulation. What good is it to focus on defense for the whole year and disregard it when you need it the most.

Skull-1

08-25-2013, 01:28 PM

The problem is even if the media calls him out he tries to belittle them so they don't do it again. The only guy who asked him why he didn't foul at the end of game 6 was from Europe. He used that to criticize the guy even though it was a legitimate question. If you're not going to foul in that situation have use some other legitimate defensive strategy. The Spurs played no defense for the last 30 seconds of regulation. What good is it to focus on defense for the whole year and disregard it when you need it the most. No kidding.

RD2191

08-25-2013, 01:32 PM

Sean Cagney

08-25-2013, 07:56 PM

dbreiden83080

08-25-2013, 09:04 PM

In defense of Pop he's obviously in an awful mood having just blown a championship after game 6 and who would be in the mood to defend themselves over coaching decisions that may have cost you the game and a chip? But on the other hand it is his job to answer these questions and he enjoys treating most of the media like they are losers that have stupid jobs and are just wasting his precious time.. Pop is not an easy man to play for or I imagine even be around for some people.. I don't know how many kids he has but he could not have been an easy father to please..

philldafunk

08-25-2013, 10:15 PM

HI-FI

08-25-2013, 10:52 PM

Sean Cagney

08-26-2013, 01:52 AM

in regards to Pop and the media, i remember right after Doris Burke asked Pop or Holt (can't remember) a few questions for the WCF trophy presentation, Pop suddenly turned into a drunk dick and told them to get lost. You shouldn't kiss the media's ass, but at least don't be insecure around others who might criticize you for your screwups.

He is funny at times but takes being a dick too far, like he is too proud and you can't question his almighty decisions, even when he F's up he is the kind to never ever admit it. He is is like the dad who screwed up a few times but will never admit it to the kids or his wife, just stays hard headed because of his ego. Great coach and I love him but he is to blame for this one here, period end of story.

xmas1997

08-26-2013, 07:56 AM

Get over it already, it is ancient history now, new season on the horizon!

Kool Bob Love

08-26-2013, 08:45 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqfg4dPEueI
:ihit

Uriel

09-05-2013, 10:51 AM

I saw this on Ball Don't Lie. I couldn't watch past the 0:10 second mark. It hurts too much. :cry

Re: This is a video of the AT&T Center during the waning moments of Game 6.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNYdV1b2k08

xmas1997

09-05-2013, 10:58 AM

Geez, are people on here masochistic, or what?
New season almost here already!

Budkin

09-05-2013, 11:22 AM