Spurs Draft: Livio Jean-Charles

[BatManu20]

I made a thread about this kid a few days ago when rumors surfaced that we might take him.

Didn't want a Euro draft-and-stash but whatever.. Hope he pans out.


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[davidbowie]

oooh he's hot

[jermaine]

We tryna win now an their drafting 4 yrs down the road mofos. Wow

[MannyIsGod]

Thank god it wasn't Franklin!

[tim_duncan_fan]

Thank god it wasn't Franklin!

This is just as bad.

[loveforthegame]

I can't wait to see him in 3-4 years.

[benefactor]

Spurs are saving the cap space and the roster spot for free agency. It's a good move.

[Richie]

Another draft and stash. Disappointing, he'll likely never see the court with Timmy and Manu.

[BatManu20]

Thank god it wasn't Franklin!

I bet his personality turned teams off cause he definitely had talent. But the whole cocky, loud-mouthed thing thing turns teams away, especially when you're not a top talent.

[Master splitter]

Tyreke? Big al? Hickson?

[slick'81]

19 ,sf, 6'9, stash seems about right

[Blizzardwizard]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/4659146/fantastic-mr-fox-bean-s-rage-o.gif

[tesseractive]

We tryna win now an their drafting 4 yrs down the road mofos. Wow
There was no one at #28 who could help us right now, so we might as well try to get some help down the road. Besides we get to keep all of our cap for players who can help us right now instead of tying some up in a guy who won't contribute during the playoffs.

[cjw]

Spurs are saving the cap space and the roster spot for free agency. It's a good move.

Exactly. Might as well draft and stash. No draft pick in this spot would get any run next year anyway.

[UZER]

Another euro softy thats gonna get bullied in the nba.

[spurs10]

Spurs are saving the cap space and the roster spot for free agency. It's a good move.
I wonder who they are thinking of going after...?????

[BatManu20]

Crabbe doesn't play any D and Jamaal Franklin has a cocky attitude so I'm not surprised we passed on them. The Bulls ruined everything when they took Tony Snell though.

[wildbill2u]

Spurs are saving the cap space and the roster spot for free agency. It's a good move.

Players and their agents like to mention the Spurs as a possible destination--but it's only a ploy to drive up their value. We've never brought in a first rank FA--EVER.

[MannyIsGod]

Thank god it wasn't Franklin!

[Knoxxx]

Spurs are saving the cap space and the roster spot for free agency. It's a good move.

Bingo, highly unlikely we would get anyone that can help this year or even next and the window has to be viewed as now!

So good pick, the guy is an extremely long, fast, athletic, can handle ball, good outside shot, can block shots. Could be an excellent long SF or small ball PF. Best case is little bit smaller version of Bosh with better outside shot and ball handling skills. A lot less stiff looking than Mahini.

[024]

I think there was no doubt the Spurs were going to do a draft and stash. This might be Duncan's last year so they will make an all in push for the championship. No time for developing rookies nor will they want to commit cap space to a rookie.

As for the pick, don't think anyone knows how he'll pan out. Just stash him and hope for the best.

[Knoxxx]

Another euro softy thats gonna get bullied in the nba.

Maybe but working within the Spurs system we can hope for better.

[soxxx]

LMAO at you guys bitching, first off we are saving cap space foe free agency, second, there was no player that would make an impact enough for us to win it all, lastly, this guy legit. He looks like he is a guy who woulda been drafted between #5-#15 had he been a college player in the U.S.

[Robz4000]

:lol anyone thinking the Spurs are going to sign anyone worth a damn in free agency

Good pick tho, I think he'll be a good role player to either back up Kawhi or play some small ball minutes.

[Knoxxx]

Players and their agents like to mention the Spurs as a possible destination--but it's only a ploy to drive up their value. We've never brought in a first rank FA--EVER.

We don't need a top FA just a couple that can actually stay on the court with Miami. Guys whose testes won't shrink when the shit gets heavy (e.g. Bonner, Splitter).

[jermaine]

There was no one at #28 who could help us right now, so we might as well try to get some help down the road. Besides we get to keep all of our cap for players who can help us right now instead of tying some up in a guy who won't contribute during the playoffs.

Thanks for that info. I dont watch collage basketball so I wouldn't know.

[UZER]

Maybe but working within the Spurs system we can hope for better.

Yes because the spurs have drafted so many euros that have panned out....oh wait the only ones were manu and tony over a decade ago.

[palangi]

There was no one at #28 who could help us right now, so we might as well try to get some help down the road. Besides we get to keep all of our cap for players who can help us right now instead of tying some up in a guy who won't contribute during the playoffs.
Oh I don't know about that. I would have loved to seen tony mitchell come in.

[cjw]

Yes because the spurs have drafted so many euros that have panned out....oh wait the only ones were manu and tony over a decade ago.

Splitter, Mahimi, Barbosa (drafted for Phoenix), Scola (oops), etc. Much better record than basically every other team out there, particularly considering none of these guys were drafted inside the top 20.

[Knoxxx]

LMAO at you guys bitching, first off we are saving cap space foe free agency, second, there was no player that would make an impact enough for us to win it all, lastly, this guy legit. He looks like he is a guy who woulda been drafted between #5-#15 had he been a college player in the U.S.

You know how it is everyone looks good in highlights. I watched Shaq highlights when he was in high school and had no idea he was going to be the most dominant big man ever. I just noted Livio has a good looking 3 point shot, dunks with ridiculous ease, blocks some shots and looks like a real fluid athlete.

Beyond that, as a Frenchie you can bet that the Spurs scouted him heavily before making this pick. So yeah, most likely he's legit. Seems like the worst case would be his offense doesn't translate to NBA and he is a defensive specialist.

[Interrohater]

How can people be saying wasted pick at 28? Who did you pick as helping the Spurs next year?

[BatManu20]

This will be a "good move" only if the Spurs score big in FA.

[palangi]

You know how it is everyone looks good in highlights. I watched Shaq highlights when he was in high school and had no idea he was going to be the most dominant big man ever. I just noted Livio has a good looking 3 point shot, dunks with ridiculous ease, blocks some shots and looks like a real fluid athlete.

Beyond that, as a Frenchie you can bet that the Spurs scouted him heavily before making this pick. So yeah, most likely he's legit. Seems like the worst case would be his offense doesn't translate to NBA and he is a defensive specialist.

if he develops in a year or two we could move kawhi to SG and let jean play SF. that is alot of length on the wings.

[Knoxxx]

if he develops in a year or two we could move kawhi to SG and let jean play SF. that is alot of length on the wings.

Yes if he plays D like Kawhi that could be a sick defensive lineup!

[UZER]

Splitter, Mahimi, Barbosa (drafted for Phoenix), Scola (oops), etc. Much better record than basically every other team out there, particularly considering none of these guys were drafted inside the top 20.

Wow...did yid you just read that list? Which one of those has helped the spurs? Splitter is decent but his vagina showed in the playoffs when he was repeatedly blocked by guys half his size. These guys are all pansys.

And scola never played for the spurs.

[Marcus Bryant]

Looks like a good prospect for a team built around Parker.

Save a little more cap room for this offseason. No problem.

[TrainOfThought5]

:lol anyone thinking the Spurs are going to sign anyone worth a damn in free agency

Good pick tho, I think he'll be a good role player to either back up Kawhi or play some small ball minutes.

[elemento]

Is he a SF or a PF? I just hope he is not another tweener, too slow to play the 3 and too weak/small to play the 4.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

How can people be saying wasted pick at 28? Who did you pick as helping the Spurs next year?

Glenn Rice Jr?

[cjw]

Wow...did yid you just read that list? Which one of those has helped the spurs? Splitter is decent but his vagina showed in the playoffs when he was repeatedly blocked by guys half his size. These guys are all pansys.

And scola never played for the spurs.

I was talking about Euros who didn't completely stink / never make it to the league. We aren't picking guys like Jan Vesely at #7 or Andrea Bargnani at #1. To me, that's a pretty darn good list of evaluating Euro talent.

Heck, they even drafted Dragic and Udrih who are still in the league. When you're drafting at the end of the first round every year, the chance you get guys who stick in the league is very low. I trust our scouts on this guy.



Glenn Rice Jr?

I'd rather spend that $800k and roster spot on a vet's minimum guy who wants to come here and win. Let guys develop overseas whenever possible.

[Atl Spur]

We tryna win now an their drafting 4 yrs down the road mofos. Wow

The #28 pick no matter who it was could help with this up-coming year in my opinion.

[Atl Spur]

^this

[Atl Spur]

I was talking about Euros who didn't completely stink / never make it to the league. We aren't picking guys like Jan Vesely at #7 or Andrea Bargnani at #1. To me, that's a pretty darn good list of evaluating Euro talent.

Heck, they even drafted Dragic and Udrih who are still in the league. When you're drafting at the end of the first round every year, the chance you get guys who stick in the league is very low. I trust our scouts on this guy.

^this



I'd rather spend that $800k and roster spot on a vet's minimum guy who wants to come here and win. Let guys develop overseas whenever possible.

[ManuManu]

Chad Ford likes the pick...

Livio Jean-Charles was the breakout star at the Nike Hoop Summit. Jean-Charles exploded with 27 points, 13 rebounds, two steals and two blocks. He clearly was the MVP of the World Team, doing the little things that impresses scouts all week. He's long, athletic, has a nose for the ball and can score both inside and on the midrange jumper. Spurs think he'll spend another year in France before he comes to the NBA. A nice pick here.

[UZER]

I was talking about Euros who didn't completely stink / never make it to the league. We aren't picking guys like Jan Vesely at #7 or Andrea Bargnani at #1. To me, that's a pretty darn good list of evaluating Euro talent.

Heck, they even drafted Dragic and Udrih who are still in the league. When you're drafting at the end of the first round every year, the chance you get guys who stick in the league is very low. I trust our scouts on this guy.




I'd rather spend that $800k and roster spot on a vet's minimum guy who wants to come here and win. Let guys develop overseas whenever possible.

Bottom line Iis theyre all soft player. Thats my problem. When it matters, these guys get pushed around in the playoffs.

[Atl Spur]

Bottom line Iis theyre all soft player. Thats my problem. When it matters, these guys get pushed around in the playoffs.

Sir, heart isn't predicated solely on where your born!! There are plenty American cowards!!

[Biggems]

for those of you in the know.......would the Spurs have gone Gobert or this guy if both were still on the board?

[UZER]

Sir, heart isn't predicated solely on where your born!! There are plenty American cowards!!

Coward and soft arent necessarily the same thing. You can be brave as you want, but if you get pushed around all the time your still soft.

And I didnt say they didnt have heart. I said they were soft.

[3 Legged Dog]

Thank god it wasn't Franklin!

Yes. Thank God we didn't take a guy with freakish athleticism

[3 Legged Dog]

How can people be saying wasted pick at 28? Who did you pick as helping the Spurs next year?

Allen Crabbe or Tony Mitchell. Labia Jean-Charles will NEVER help this team.

[99 Problems]

Lots of upside, all being well. Great 'Hoop Summit'.

[Interrohater]

What Spurfan doesn't understand, some of us at least, is that the Spurs try to draft players EARLY. They try and get guys that would be picked in the teens or higher after a couple more years of development. This is the reason that analysts are always crediting the Spurs with draft-day "steals" when the player makes it over and begins to actually contribute. One reason the Spurs have been so successful is the ability to have patience.

[wildchild]

Chad Ford likes the pick...

Livio Jean-Charles was the breakout star at the Nike Hoop Summit. Jean-Charles exploded with 27 points, 13 rebounds, two steals and two blocks. He clearly was the MVP of the World Team, doing the little things that impresses scouts all week. He's long, athletic, has a nose for the ball and can score both inside and on the midrange jumper. Spurs think he'll spend another year in France before he comes to the NBA. A nice pick here.
Agree. Jean-Charles and Wiggins lead the World Team in Nike Hoop Summit. I really like the guy.

[Prime Time]

With all these SF prospects Spurs have interest in, What are the odds Kawhi becomes our SG once the big 3 retire? Does anyone think he can actually improve his handles/shooting to the point where this is possible? Thoughts?

[ace3g]

Jeff McDonald @JMcDonald_SAEN
(http://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN)Buford said Spurs had Livio Jean-Charles rated as one of the top 20 players in the draft.

[TheGoldStandard]

With all these SF prospects Spurs have interest in, What are the odds Kawhi becomes our SG once the big 3 retire? Does anyone think he can actually improve his handles/shooting to the point where this is possible? Thoughts?

Considering how hard he works, yes. I suspect he'll be working on all of that over the summer.

[BackHome]

Agree. Jean-Charles and Wiggins lead the World Team in Nike Hoop Summit. I really like the guy.


Hell and they saying Wiggins is going to go number 1 next year and is as good as Durant from OK.

[playblair]

Chad Ford likes the pick...

Livio Jean-Charles was the breakout star at the Nike Hoop Summit. Jean-Charles exploded with 27 points, 13 rebounds, two steals and two blocks. He clearly was the MVP of the World Team, doing the little things that impresses scouts all week. He's long, athletic, has a nose for the ball and can score both inside and on the midrange jumper. Spurs think he'll spend another year in France before he comes to the NBA. A nice pick here.

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[BatManu20]

Is he a SF or a PF? I just hope he is not another tweener, too slow to play the 3 and too weak/small to play the 4.

That's exactly what he is right now. Not skilled enough to play the 3 and way too weak to play the 4. He needs to really improve his perimeter game cause he's a 3 in the NBA. Dribbling and shooting need to improve drastically.

[tesseractive]

That's exactly what he is right now. Not skilled enough to play the 3 and way too weak to play the 4. He needs to really improve his perimeter game cause he's a 3 in the NBA. Dribbling and shooting need to improve drastically.
Who says he's an NBA 3? 19 year olds still have plenty of muscle mass to add, so he has a great chance to be an athletic 4.

[Tim_5rings]

He left his country (french Guyana) at the age of 14 years (and his family) to play basketball at INSEP where Tony, Boris, Evan Fournier ... learned the game

He plays SF/PF, good handling, rebounds, defense, high IQ basketball
He needs to improve his mid range shoot
For 2 years he is pro at villleurbanne (Lyon) the club chairs Tony Parker
It's a strong team in the French league so he plays a few minutes but gives everything, eager to learn, big work ethic, calm and balanced when he makes a mistake, it's never the same twice

I learned that the scout has spent 3 days "Lyon" to see it and test it (so they really believe in him)

He's a player who I think can have fast and consistent growth as Nicolas Batum
Tony the owner can influence this growth with more minutes, more responsibility in a good way

He did great Nike Hoop Summit, great Eurocamp
But he didn't made any workout for any other NBA team
He was exclusively to Spurs

[ace3g]

He is playing with the U20 team today:

28 Juin à 19H00 : Turquie - France
29 Juin à 16H45 : France - Serbie
30 Juin à 14H30 : Suède - France

http://www.ffbb.com/_edf/page_m.php?d=actu&p=actu&id=9712

[kemak]

Anyone else notice Stern's voice cracked almost every time he said 2013?

[ace3g]

France beat Turkey 66-40

Livio Jean – Charles 4 (6 ribaund – 4 asist)

http://www.tbf.org.tr/tbfweb/tbfweb2.nsf/0/12649088A9B6731AC2257B9800600E6F?OpenDocument

[ChumpDumper]

France beat Turkey 66-40

Livio Jean – Charles 4 (6 ribaund – 4 asist)

http://www.tbf.org.tr/tbfweb/tbfweb2.nsf/0/12649088A9B6731AC2257B9800600E6F?OpenDocumentBust.

[spurraider21]

Looks like a good prospect for a team built around Parker.

Save a little more cap room for this offseason. No problem.

not sure how long you can build around a 31 year old point guard

[BatManu20]

Livio Jean Charles ‏@Jclifio (https://twitter.com/Jclifio)16h (https://twitter.com/Jclifio/status/350454030213980160)
I m glad to be a member of the spurs family

[ace3g]

I believe he scored 20 points but haven't found a good box score for one of the last 2 games

Looks like 20 pts 7 boards against Serbia

http://live.tbf.org.tr/TBF/netcasting/default.asp?game_number=311&microsite_scope=

[Bruno]

I believe he scored 20 points but haven't found a good box score for one of the last 2 games

Looks like 20 pts 7 boards against Serbia

http://live.tbf.org.tr/TBF/netcasting/default.asp?game_number=311&microsite_scope=

If you click on the tab called "MACLAR" that is at the top right, you can access to boxscores of previous games.
For the full stats, click on the "ISTATIK" tab.

[rascal]

I believe he scored 20 points but haven't found a good box score for one of the last 2 games

Looks like 20 pts 7 boards against Serbia

http://live.tbf.org.tr/TBF/netcasting/default.asp?game_number=311µsite_scope=

Those games don't mean anything. McGrady can drop 30 easily in that game.

[picnroll]

After watching the Nike Hoops game a couple of times I really like this pick. Jean-Charles shows:

1. Great anticipation around the basket on offense, reading the ball, getting position for the rebound or put back.
2. Very quick jumper
3. A very nice touch around the basket, put backs and nice quick low post moves. Not stiff in his shooting like say Splitter or Mahinmi.
4. Quick on defense, was staying in front of players, even in practice stayed in front of Wiggins who was trying to beat him in the half-court and took out the German PG Schroeder, blocking a fast break attempt, giving a stronger Randle a difficult time.
5. Very good low post defender, on and off the ball, contested shots well.
6. Good decisicion maker, made a few nice passes including a back door cut to the Russian Karasev.
7. Ball handling in full-court was fine for a guy his size.

He was the best big on the international squad. Small sample size but his agility is not in question.Given his state of development I think the Spurs may have another gem. Just get him some time with Chip.

[FireMicoHalili]

Had Gobert been available at 28, I wonder if the Spurs would've gone for him. Still sad SAS missed out on him.

[tesseractive]

not sure how long you can build around a 31 year old point guard
7 years.

Sincerely,

Steve Nash

[Tim_5rings]

Gobert was already the 28th draft pick but
Gobert is bust
He's not strong enough at the leg
He's good just to receive the alley oop pass and do some Blocks, that's all
He's slow, has a shoot as good as Dwight Howard (ie none)
And he shoved around by smaller players, he doesn't know how to post

He's bad at pass, bad defense (just good at block because 7'2"),bad shoot
BAD
BAD
BAD
A new Hasheem Thabeet

[ace3g]

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[picnroll]

Here's a little different view of Saint Charles than what he showed in the Nike Summit game. More driving and outside shooting.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yj45yJWRkVs&feature=related

He said last year he played PF but this year he'll be playing almost exclusively SF, working on outside shooting, passing and ball handling.

[Chinook]

351785316031528961

Better than Bynum.

[ducks]

Those games don't mean anything. McGrady can drop 30 easily in that game.

yeah how dare he play and get better except on nba games

[Bruno]

Livio Jean-Charles is currently playing the U20 Euro. He had 14 points in his first game and 16 in his second game while there is 5 minutes left.

Website of the competition:
http://u20men.fibaeurope.com/en/

[ace3g]

http://u20men.fibaeurope.com/en/files/%7B2F917ACD-B7CD-4DAC-B393-DDA2AFFCF6D3%7Dflexible.jpg

http://u20men.fibaeurope.com/en/files/%7B296CF5D4-8F05-4235-8F52-A503F8A7C7CE%7Dflexible.jpg

[TheGoldStandard]

Hopefully in the SL next season

[SpursSerb]

Bruno is Asvel the right team for LJC to develop?They didn't give him significant minutes last season,kinda suprising considering he's a french prospect.I know that Westermann left them to join Partizan,and he was voted the best player in U20 competition.Also was called in french national team.

[ChumpDumper]

Asvel hid LJC on the bench until he was safely in the Spurs' fold and now will play big minutes in a Spurs-type system.

[Bruno]

Bruno is Asvel the right team for LJC to develop?They didn't give him significant minutes last season,kinda suprising considering he's a french prospect.I know that Westermann left them to join Partizan,and he was voted the best player in U20 competition.Also was called in french national team.

I would say it's a pretty good place for Jean-Charles to grow. Next season they will play the Eurocup which will give Jean-Charles more playing time opportunities. They have a decent coach but maybe the best is the Spurs connection through Parker. Spurs will be able to monitor as closely as possible jean-Charles growth and even interact with ASVEL coaching staff to develop some specific aspect of his game.

Regarding Westermann, they wanted to keep him but his dream was to play in a top historic European team. Most young basketball players dream in France of the NBA but Westermann dream was the Euroleague.

[raybies]

Playing against estonia now.

[Bruno]

U20 FNT shouldn't do too well at that Eurobasket. '93 is a weak year for French basketball with only 2 good young players (Jean-Charles and a player named Invernizzi). There are some good '94 players, with Jaiteh being the more known, but being 1 year younger hurt them.

[TheyCallMePro]

Is this guy really 6'9? He doesn't look it. If he's standing next to Lebron, who's 6'8, I'd say Lebron would dwarf him.

He's probably 6'6 or maybe, MAYBE 6'7. Probably has never been measured in the U.S. He's gunna have to play SF and learn how to shoot outside. Just too small.

[Bruno]

Is this guy really 6'9? He doesn't look it. If he's standing next to Lebron, who's 6'8, I'd say Lebron would dwarf him.

He's probably 6'6 or maybe, MAYBE 6'7. Probably has never been measured in the U.S. He's gunna have to play SF and learn how to shoot outside. Just too small.

He has been measured in Portland for the Hoops Summit. He is 6'9" with a 7'2.5" wingspan and a weight of 217 lbs.

[jyra]

Is this guy really 6'9? He doesn't look it. If he's standing next to Lebron, who's 6'8, I'd say Lebron would dwarf him.

He's probably 6'6 or maybe, MAYBE 6'7. Probably has never been measured in the U.S. He's gunna have to play SF and learn how to shoot outside. Just too small.

He was measured at the Hoop Summit a couple of months ago:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2013-Hoop-Summit-World-Select-Team-Measurements-4141/ (http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2013-Hoop-Summit-World-Select-Team-Measurements-4141/)


Livio Jean-Charles (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Livio-Jean-Charles-6125/)
Height w/Shoes: 6'9
Weight: 217
Wingspan: 7'2.25


Edit: I just type too slowly :|

[raybies]

18 pts 10 rebs 3 assists 1 steal. He was moved to the 3 spot.

[ChumpDumper]

18 pts 10 rebs 3 assists 1 steal. He was moved to the 3 spot.Bust.

I bet he's actually 5'9".

[raybies]

Being the best player on the team, It's interesting to see how far he can take them

[Darkwaters]

Is this guy really 6'9? He doesn't look it. If he's standing next to Lebron, who's 6'8, I'd say Lebron would dwarf him.

He's probably 6'6 or maybe, MAYBE 6'7. Probably has never been measured in the U.S. He's gunna have to play SF and learn how to shoot outside. Just too small.

Most of the time you'll find a considerable variance in heights at different sites (and also what the team officially reports). The pre-draft camps are the best place to find legitimate heights. Jean-Charles is absolutely 6'9".

[ChumpDumper]

lol if someone I've never seen before stood next to this other guy....

[picnroll]

Spurs bring over Saint Charles in two years, pair him with Leonard and tank for Dante Exum in 2015 and they are good for the next ten years.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs bring over Saint Charles in two years, pair him with Leonard and tank for Dante Exum in 2015 and they are good for the next ten years.

Don't forget Hanga too

[99 Problems]

Exum finishes school in Australia in December. He may then play 6 mths of college before the draft.

After this weeks worlds is as high as 3 in the mocks for 2014 no less.

[picnroll]

If Exum plays college ball this year he won't be eligible for the draft until 2015. If he doesn't he can enter the 2013 draft. IMO this kid is a Jordan level talent and should be the first pick in either draft.

[Chinook]

If Exum plays college ball this year he won't be eligible for the draft until 2015. If he doesn't he can enter the 2013 draft. IMO this kid is a Jordan level talent and should be the first pick in either draft.

Huh?

[picnroll]

Oops, 2014 draft

[Chinook]

Oops, 2014 draft

Okay. Anyways, how do you figure that? I don't know anything about the guy, but he has to be 19 and a year removed from high school (if he were an American) no matter what. Where he plays won't affect that.

[r0drig0lac]

If Exum plays college ball this year he won't be eligible for the draft until 2015. If he doesn't he can enter the 2013 draft. IMO this kid is a Jordan level talent and should be the first pick in either draft.
LOL

[picnroll]

Okay. Anyways, how do you figure that? I don't know anything about the guy, but he has to be 19 and a year removed from high school (if he were an American) no matter what. Where he plays won't affect that.

If he plays college ball he falls under college eligibility rules. If he doesn't he falls under international player eligibility rules.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/7/11/4509774/dante-exum-nba-draft-2014-australia-andrew-wiggins

[Chinook]

If he plays college ball he falls under college eligibility rules. If he doesn't he falls under international player eligibility rules.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/7/11/4509774/dante-exum-nba-draft-2014-australia-andrew-wiggins

All right, but why would him playing this season delay him from entering next draft when it doesn't prevent anyone else from doing so? He's 19, so he's eligible under both sets of rules.

[picnroll]

All right, but why would him playing this season delay him from entering next draft when it doesn't prevent anyone else from doing so? He's 19, so he's eligible under both sets of rules.
He's 17 until day after tomorrow.

[Chinook]

He's 17 until day after tomorrow.

And? If that means he'll turn 19 on July 13, 2014, he's still eligible for the draft whether he goes in school or stays in Australia.

[picnroll]

And? If that means he'll turn 19 on July 13, 2014, he's still eligible for the draft whether he goes in school or stays in Australia.

His eligibilty status is widely reported. As I understand it:

"Any player who is not an "international player", as defined in the CBA, must be at least one year removed from the graduation of his high school class."

The CBA defines "international players" for draft purposes as those who meet all of the following criteria:
Have never enrolled in a U.S. college or university.


Since he won't graduate from HS until Nov and then choses to enroll at a US college falling under non-international draft eligibilty rules, he won't be eligible to enter te draft until 2015.

[Chinook]

His eligibilty status is widely reported. As I understand it:

"Any player who is not an "international player", as defined in the CBA, must be at least one year removed from the graduation of his high school class."

The CBA defines "international players" for draft purposes as those who meet all of the following criteria:
Have never enrolled in a U.S. college or university.


Since he won't graduate from HS until Nov and then choses to enroll at a US college falling under non-international draft eligibilty rules, he won't be eligible to enter te draft until 2015.

Interesting. Thanks for the info. That's sort of weird, though.

[Baam]

He's projected as the third pick in the strongest draft in years (2014) so he can as well skip college.

[Mnky]

Seems like people really haven't seen any of this guy. He looks like a legitimate prospect against other up and coming youngins. I don't think it'd be hard to assume he would have been out of our range in next years draft had he waited. Tony probably talked him into going this year so the spurs could get him. They kept talking about how kids like him with limited scouting, only go in the draft when a team promises them they'll take them if they're still there at their spot.

This is the Nike Hoops Summit He played in this year with the top players for next years draft. Legit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtrJ3kWJVz0

[RD2191]

:hat

[raybies]

19 pts today.

[Harry Callahan]

LJC was a garbageman against the comparable USA guys at the Hoop Summit. He was blocking shots, rebounding, getting put backs. He was very active. I had no idea if he could shoot the ball well at this point, but I liked what I saw. Did not see what he did today.

Unlike the Mavericks, the Spurs don't blow many 1st round picks. They take guys that stay in the league for a long time generally (with one or two exceptions the last 15 years). FWIW, the Mavies 1st pick has already suffered a broken ankle at Summer League.

[SenorSpur]

LJC was a garbageman against the comparable USA guys at the Hoop Summit. He was blocking shots, rebounding, getting put backs. He was very active. I had no idea if he could shoot the ball well at this point, but I liked what I saw. Did not see what he did today.

Unlike the Mavericks, the Spurs don't blow many 1st round picks. They take guys that stay in the league for a long time generally (with one or two exceptions the last 15 years). FWIW, the Mavies 1st pick has already suffered a broken ankle at Summer League.

It's a shame about Larkin and his injury. However, he wasn't going to play for the Mavs this year anyway. Carlisle hates young players and the Mavs overall are terrible at developing young talent. They prefer free agency and trades over the draft. It's why they've virtually spurned the draft the past 10 years.

[Atl Spur]

Did he play somewhere today?

[eDizzle20]

Here's the link to the game report against the Czech Republic. All of 10 people showed up...

http://u20men.fibaeurope.com/en/cid_FW2Ym8GSJEAe2vpbWdQMR0.gameID_9352-D-9-5.compID_UIfgjyQcGqk-fPlnl66Tj0.season_2013.roundID_9352.teamID_.html

[Bruno]

Jean-Charles got injured in the game he played Saturday. He is back in France to evaluate the injury.

Link: http://www.ffbb.com/_actu/page_m.php?d=actu&p=actu&id=9775

[timvp]

Jean-Charles got injured in the game he played Saturday. He is back in France to evaluate the injury.

Link: http://www.ffbb.com/_actu/page_m.php?d=actu&p=actu&id=9775

:pctoss

[jyra]

This sucks, the games just started to get streamed today. What is it with all these international prospects getting injured this offseason..

[Bruno]

From what I've read in various articles, it is a knee injury and they fear it's a big one even if the final diagnostic hasn't been made. He will be examined tomorrow in France where I guess he will have an MRI.

[SenorSpur]

Ouch!

[loveforthegame]

Sucks. :bang

[Chinook]

That sucks. But let's hope it's not too bad. Otherwise, perhaps the Spurs should invest in a fleet of Duncan knee braces.

[tesseractive]

From what I've read in various articles, it is a knee injury and they fear it's a big one even if the final diagnostic hasn't been made. He will be examined tomorrow in France where I guess he will have an MRI.

:vomit:

[Spur|n|Austin]

That's pretty unfortunate. :bang

[RD2191]

:depressed

[kobyz]

So of course right after he got drafted by the Spurs he get injured, sad to say but I'm not surprise, this team karma is keep Rolling down and down like a snowball. Why Pop why...

[timvp]

From what I've read in various articles, it is a knee injury and they fear it's a big one even if the final diagnostic hasn't been made. He will be examined tomorrow in France where I guess he will have an MRI.

Wow :depressed

[Robz4000]

God damn, another one bites the dust.

[jesterbobman]

Well that's shit.

[yavozerb]

Well, I would rather have these injuries occuring early in the careers of LJC and DB so that by 2015 when these guys are called upon they should be well over them and back into peak form.

[stxspurs]

he wasnt going to come over anytime soon..hopefully he can recover

[BackHome]

It seems every foreign draft pick since Manu has had serious injuries.........:(

[tesseractive]

It seems every foreign draft pick since Manu has had serious injuries.........:(
Was Beno's laziness an injury?

[ace3g]

Bruno do you have a translation:

Livio Jean Charles @Jclifio
(http://twitter.com/Jclifio)Ls guerres victorieuses naissent dns la grandeur de la determination de chaque pion#homonyme#warfinishwhenyoudecided

[pad300]

Bruno do you have a translation:

Livio Jean Charles @Jclifio
(http://twitter.com/Jclifio)Ls guerres victorieuses naissent dns la grandeur de la determination de chaque pion#homonyme#warfinishwhenyoudecided




A fairly rough version would be "Wars are won by persistance", a more word for word would be "Victorious wars are born in the size of the determination of each participant".

[timvp]

Damn, getting philosophical like that probably means a bad injury diagnosis :depressed

[Trill Clinton]

what about the hashtag? the first one.

[DPG21920]

what about the hashtag? the first one.

He's gay in NY?

[Stabula]

Wow. So much for this guy, then.

[Marcus Bryant]

Dammit.

[Stabula]

Even if this guy fully recovers eventually (which isn't a guarantee) it's likely going to be a lot of time he's going to be spending resting and rehabilitating when he could be improving his game. Now it may take him considerably longer to become NBA-ready, or possibly never.

[raybies]

Would it help If we considered Thomas our 1st and livio our 2 nd?

[Marcus Bryant]

Well, we weren't expecting him to contribute in the next two years. Hope it isn't too bad and he can regain his game.

[Chinook]

Even if this guy fully recovers eventually (which isn't a guarantee) it's likely going to be a lot of time he's going to be spending resting and rehabilitating when he could be improving his game. Now it may take him considerably longer to become NBA-ready, or possibly never.

Almost certainly not "never." Getting drafted by the Spurs means he's pretty much guaranteed to get world-class healthcare from now on. He'll most likely get his surgery and rehabilitation here like Bertans did. I think he'll come over about when the team originally expected to bring him over in the first place.

What this means for his ability to move to the three is another matter entirely.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Can we wait until we know there is a cliff in front of us before we jump off of it?

[BackHome]

Bertrans and now Livio both having knee surgery ....Oh the cliff is there....lol......I heard Hanga was also having some minor knee surgery..?

[playblair]

Bertrans and now Livio both having knee surgery ....Oh the cliff is there....lol......I heard Hanga was also having some minor knee surgery..?

http://static.noticiasdealava.com/images/2013/07/10/import_13124701_11.jpg

[GB20]

Bertrans and now Livio both having knee surgery ....Oh the cliff is there....lol......I heard Hanga was also having some minor knee surgery..?
fuck!! our future players are all broken, even kawhi is having trouble with his knee

[TXstbobcat]

I'm sure the spurs weren't planning on bringing over for a few more years.

[Chinook]

San Antonio must be drifting closer to Portland. Damn plate tectonics.

[TheGoldStandard]

They'll just re-up Manu in 2 years

[Bruno]

You're really reaching if you think that this tweet is some kind of hint that Jean-Charles is seriously injured and will have a surgery.

In all likelihood, it's a motivational message for his U20 FNT teammates that have lost their last 2 games without him and are on the brink of being eliminated of the U20 Eurobasket. Jean-Charles just told after that tweet that it's a tweet destined to some very specific people and they will know that it's for them.

Jean-Charles got his knee examined yesterday but there have been no news about it since that. It's quite pointless to speculate about the severity of the injury until we got some news about it.

[pad300]

You're really reaching if you think that this tweet is some kind of hint that Jean-Charles is seriously injured and will have a surgery.

In all likelihood, it's a motivational message for his U20 FNT teammates that have lost their last 2 games without him and are on the brink of being eliminated of the U20 Eurobasket. Jean-Charles just told after that tweet that it's a tweet destined to some very specific people and they will know that it's for them.

Jean-Charles got his knee examined yesterday but there have been no news about it since that. It's quite pointless to speculate about the severity of the injury until we got some news about it.

Hey Bruno, as an actual French speaker, was my translation halfway decent?

[Bruno]

Hey Bruno, as an actual French speaker, was my translation halfway decent?

Yep, that's what he said/meant.

[tesseractive]

You're really reaching if you think that this tweet is some kind of hint that Jean-Charles is seriously injured and will have a surgery.

In all likelihood, it's a motivational message for his U20 FNT teammates that have lost their last 2 games without him and are on the brink of being eliminated of the U20 Eurobasket. Jean-Charles just told after that tweet that it's a tweet destined to some very specific people and they will know that it's for them.

Jean-Charles got his knee examined yesterday but there have been no news about it since that. It's quite pointless to speculate about the severity of the injury until we got some news about it.
Honestly, I was putting more stock in your earlier post where you said French articles described it as nasty. But if you're not so sure about that, I feel a lot better. Thanks. :tu

[Bruno]

Some good news:
http://www.catch-and-shoot.com/livenews/plus-de-peur-que-de-mal-pour-livio-jean-charles/2013/

"Back in France this Tuesday to have medical exams on his knee, Livio Jean-Charles has received some good news. He told us yesterday evening that the cruciate ligaments aren't hurt. He is however still waiting on a confirmation about that."

It looks like there is a good chance this injury turn out to be only a sore or hyper-extended knee which would be great.

[Bruno]

So much for good news, it's coming directly from the French basketball federation:
http://www.ffbb.com/_actu/page_m.php?d=actu&p=actu&id=9780

Livio has a severe right knee sprain that will require a surgery.

[AusSpur]

So much for good news, it's coming directly from the French basketball federation:
http://www.ffbb.com/_actu/page_m.php?d=actu&p=actu&id=9780

Livio has a severe right knee sprain that will require a surgery.

Since when do you need surgery for a sprain???

[kobyz]

fuck, why god hate us?!
from Livio side, he still can force Spurs to sign him this year, cause now with the injury, the career risking influence, getting shutdown for long period, it doesn't have much point and desire for him to stay in Europe working on his game, so at least earn some money.

[RD2191]

Fuck.

[Bruno]

Since when do you need surgery for a sprain???

In a severe sprain, there are ligaments damage. The L in ACL is for ligament...

[Raven]

i'm actually relieved.

[Bruno]

from Livio side, he still can force Spurs to sign him this year, cause now with the injury, the career risking influence, getting shutdown for long period, it doesn't have much point and desire for him to stay in Europe working on his game, so at least earn some money.

No, he can't because he has a buyout with his French team. Even if Spurs are somewhat "forced" to offer him a contract, they have no obligation to give the money for his buyout.

[Texas_Ranger]

Hope he'll be ok.

[kobyz]

No, he can't because he has a buyout with his French team. Even if Spurs are somewhat "forced" to offer him a contract, they have no obligation to give the money for his buyout.

but the team could very well give up on that buyout money(i guss it's not much) instead of staying with not functional player who can't contribute...

[kobyz]

and it's too bad that it happened also because he looked very promise at the u20 eurobasket, he was one of the best players of the tournament, the star of the Franch team that without him we saw how they suck.

[Bruno]

but the team could very well give up on that buyout money(i guss it's not much) instead of staying with not functional player who can't contribute...

He is under contract until 2016 so he will be back and hopefully contribute well before the end of his contract. And while he is injured, his salary is paid by the French welfare system. His team has no reasons to give up on a buyout that is around $500K.

[ManuManu]

For those asking about surgery on ligament sprains, torn ACLs are considered sprains. There are three degrees of sprains. A first degree sprain has micro tears in the ligament and heal on their own. Second degree sprains are partially torn ligaments and typically heal without surgery. Third degree sprains are full-blown tears and almost always require surgery.

[ceperez]

So he's finally going to play in summer league.

Two observations:

(1) There aren't a lot of videos of him playing *after* his injury
(2) Nobody in the press or coaching staff is talking about him playing. Maybe they are all underwhelmed.

LJC was selected right after Gobert. Let's see if he was worth it.

[ceperez]

So far this draft isn't looking very good.

Had one game where he had a monster block party (6 blocks) and then it was downhill ever since.

[SAGirl]

So far this draft isn't looking very good.

Had one game where he had a monster block party (6 blocks) and then it was downhill ever since. He has impressive defensive potential. However, his offensive game is still very undeveloped. That year that he missed due to injury really stunted his development. Still a long term project with him. Revisit in a couple of years, by then he will be 23 and still young to hopefully continue improving. Whether he makes it over to the NBA depends on him improving.

[AFBlue]

If he can just flash any sort of a mid-range game, he has enough defensive potential to be a contributor in the NBA. I think the best comp for him is Luc Richard Mbah a Moute...hang his hat on D, hit enough mid range Js to keep the D honest.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Any idea why he was a DNP tonight?

[ceperez]

Any idea why he was a DNP tonight?

Could be an injury. Someone mentioned that he was limping in the last game.

[Hyperhypo]

I watched him play in person at the Vegas summer league. He looked terrible, kinda like a weekend YMCA baller. I've been rooting for him for a while but I think I'm moving on.

[DJR210]

I watched him play in person at the Vegas summer league. He looked terrible, kinda like a weekend YMCA baller. I've been rooting for him for a while but I think I'm moving on.

You saved a first post for this shit.. it's gotta be bad :depressed

[Hyperhypo]

You saved a first post for this shit.. it's gotta be bad :depressed
lol so I wanted to say this somewhere and googled Spurs Forum and this came up ha

but ya I told my buddy that he was one of the players I came to watch, by the end of the game we forgot about him and were on the Simmons bandwagon

[DJR210]

lol so I wanted to say this somewhere and googled Spurs Forum and this came up ha

but ya I told my buddy that he was one of the players I came to watch, by the end of the game we forgot about him and were on the Simmons bandwagon

Yeah, he may be serviceable in 5 years or so and be a good contributor at the end of the bench.. I'm not too thrilled either