Trout haters can blow

[Fabbs]

Dipsticks talking about his epic rookie year as if it were a one and done thing.
Jumping up and down after he got off to a slow start in 2013 when Dipstick Scioscia forced him into left field after his Gold Glove performance in center.

Well lookie now Trout haters.
.316 13HR 51 ribs and he keeps going up in the steals dept from 8th to 7th to 6th to....oh lookie 3rd.
If he doesn't catch Ellsbury that's cool cause Ellsbury is a cool dude too.

Have another cup Trout haters.

[Bill_Brasky]

Too bad his team fuckin blows and he's probably gonna bolt ASAP.

[irishock]

never doubted Trout, tbh. But guy was clearly not the MVP last year :lol ESPN

[JamStone]

As of today in 326 AB: .316/.392/.546/.938, 13 HR, 52 RBI, 57 runs, 20 SB

Last year through July in 329 AB: .353/.411/.608/1.019, 18 HR, 55 RBI, 80 runs, 31 SB

I don't think it's so much about hating on Trout. He's obviously a great talent and has a great career to look forward to. I think criticisms and doubts are geared more towards the fact that he'd be unlikely to repeat the type of year he had as a rookie. It was pretty incredible. If he's one of the top 10-15 players in all of MLB, there's nothing wrong with that. Last year, he was one of the top 1-3 players in all of baseball. Those were pretty lofty standards to sustain for the kid. He's come on as of late, but even if he sustains his current pace, it won't measure up to last season. He had a season for the history books. Doubtful he comes close to it again.

[Fabbs]

Those were pretty lofty standards to sustain for the kid. He's come on as of late, but even if he sustains his current pace, it won't measure up to last season. He had a season for the history books. Doubtful he comes close to it again.
If he keeps up the pace he will come close. But agree, no way can he match last year. A big "if" to even keep up his June pace, which mirrored last seasons dynamo for much longer this season. If he does finish the year on the current pace, he makes the all time list even at only two years. :lol
The Angles suck ass team with the Hamilton disaster and Skoshas staple screw ups is also costing him a lot of stats. Things like Runs Scored and RBIs are pretty dependant on help from teamates.

[Chris]

:cry Don't talk bad about my Trouty-Trout :cry

[Fabbs]

:cry Don't talk bad about my Trouty-Trout :cry
Trout with another bomb today, his 15th.
On pace:
.300+ 30HRs 100+RBIs 30 stolen bases.
An off year for Trout.
He better retire and have you teach him your interweb skillz.

[Chris]

Too bad he's stuck playing in the Ron Washington era. Maybe if he didn't play with a stacked lineup and pitchers could go around him he would be batting under .280 with a turrible on base percentage. Just shows to go ya.

[Heath Ledger]

He still ain't got shit on Cabrera...

[Heath Ledger]

As of today in 326 AB: .316/.392/.546/.938, 13 HR, 52 RBI, 57 runs, 20 SB

Last year through July in 329 AB: .353/.411/.608/1.019, 18 HR, 55 RBI, 80 runs, 31 SB

I don't think it's so much about hating on Trout. He's obviously a great talent and has a great career to look forward to. I think criticisms and doubts are geared more towards the fact that he'd be unlikely to repeat the type of year he had as a rookie. It was pretty incredible. If he's one of the top 10-15 players in all of MLB, there's nothing wrong with that. Last year, he was one of the top 1-3 players in all of baseball. Those were pretty lofty standards to sustain for the kid. He's come on as of late, but even if he sustains his current pace, it won't measure up to last season. He had a season for the history books. Doubtful he comes close to it again.

Yup it's called a scouting report. They had a whole season of data on him which obviously affects the way opposing pitchers pitch to him.

[Fabbs]

He still ain't got shit on Cabrera...
How does he leap a 30% increase across the board beggining in his 9th and now 10th seasons? Yes he was good before. But the increase is Bondslike.
An *adjustment* like Oriole Chris?
or
Barry Cabrera?

[Fabbs]

Yup it's called a scouting report. They had a whole season of data on him which obviously affects the way opposing pitchers pitch to him.
It's called dumbass Mike Skosha moving him over to left field after his Gold Glove* Center performance his rookie year.
.261 April his worst month by far. Has since came smokin back.

*I don't know nor care if media retards voted Trout the *official* Gold Glove or not. He won it skill and performance wise.

[JamStone]

How does he leap a 30% increase across the board beggining in his 9th and now 10th seasons? Yes he was good before. But the increase is Bondslike.
An *adjustment* like Oriole Chris?
or
Barry Cabrera?

Cabrera's numbers haven't jumped as much as you suggest the last two years.

First of all, he's obviously always been a great hitter. He was a career .317 hitter before the last two seasons. He had already hit over .320 in a season 6 times before the last two seasons. He hit .339 as a 23 year old in his third full season. So while hitting .360 is ridiculous, it's not like he went from a career .275 hitter who had never hit over .300 to suddenly hitting .360. And you can look at BABIP to give you some perspective. His BABIP is .375 right now, compared to his career .347. Just as the other seasons he hit for a very high average, he's getting some lucky breaks to help his average.

His strikeout rate is close to his career average, as are his HR/FB ratio and his extra base rate. What does that tell you along with his higher than average BABIP? It tells you that he's hitting the ball about the same as he always has but getting lucky and he's hitting more line drives and flyballs. But the percentage of flyballs/line drives that turn into homeruns is only slightly above his career average. He's just hitting more of them. But he's actually putting the ball in play less than his career average.

His BA and SLG are out of control right now. But it would be way more suspicious if his BABIP weren't so high and his HR/FB ratio made a bigger jump. He's putting the ball in play about the same as he always has. He's striking out about the same as he always has. When you go deeper into his numbers, making a Barry Bonds comparison is actually silly. In 2001 when Barry hit 73 HRs, his BABIP was actually lower than his career average so he wasn't getting any lucky hits, his HR rate and his HR/FB ratio were both about twice as high as his career averages up to that point in his career. He went from a 5.5% HR rate to 11%. Basically, he went from a career average of hitting a HR once every 16-17 ABs to once every 6.5 ABs in 2001. His HR/FB ratio went from about 15.5% to 29.7%. So he nearly doubled the amount of HRs he hit when he hit a flyball. Those are fishy numbers. Cabrera's advanced stats don't jump like that.

If Cabrera is juicing, he started juicing at like 21 years of age because while his last two seasons have been unbelievable, his career resume and the advance stats indicate it didn't come out of nowhere.

[Fabbs]

^^ I did not mean to infer that Cabreras jumped as much as Bonds, but rather the main comparison to me is why all of a sudden after about 10 years did they both have a sizeable increase? I know Bonds may have been more then 10 yrs before his 73 scam. Bear in mind Barroid Bonds hit over .300 like 7 times and smacked 40+ HRs about 5 times before his mega steroid 73 homer year. Otherwise Cabreras increase not as sizeable as Bonds, correct.

Cabraras hits simply finding the gap more often? :lol I'm not buying that.

[Fabbs]

If Cabrera is juicing, he started juicing at like 21 years of age because while his last two seasons have been unbelievable, his career resume and the advance stats indicate it didn't come out of nowhere.
Would not surprise me if 80%+ of all pro athletes as using PEDs.

[Heath Ledger]

Look at who is batting behind Cabrera, Fielder, and although Fielder is semi struggling right now with a guy like Fielder behind Cabrera obviously he is going to see a lot more good pitches to hit because Fielder is no slouch. And Cabrera can hit non strikes out of the park as well. He's just that good. If it comes out that hes juicing I will leave Spurstalk forever.

[irishock]

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Melky not Miguel :lol

[Pelicans78]

Ryan Braun was great from Day one. In the minors and even once he got to the majors. He was a beast at every level.

I don't know if Miggy has juiced. No evidence. Wouldn't surprise me due to the history of Latin American stars, but I won't accuse him.

[Fabbs]

July
.393 .485 OB%
4 Bombs
14 RBIs
3-1 stolen bases (unbelieveable a few of the situations where numb nutts Skosha has not sent him.)

[Monostradamus]

July
.393 .485 OB%
4 Bombs
14 RBIs
3-1 stolen bases (unbelieveable a few of the situations where numb nutts Skosha has not sent him.)
Quit sucking his dick, you didn't even get his name right in your last thread, faggot :lmao calling your TroutDoll "Mark Trout"

[Fabbs]

Trouty Trout continuing his pace, blistering August so far with:
.575 on base
3 bombs
14 walks (league leader)
3rd in batting ave as Steroids Ortiz just jumped ahead into 2nd behind Steroids Cabrera.

[exstatic]

Trouty Trout continuing his pace, blistering August so far with:
.575 on base
3 bombs
14 walks (league leader)
3rd in batting ave as Steroids Ortiz just jumped ahead into 2nd behind Steroids Cabrera.
It's shit like this that makes people hate Trout and his fans.

[Fabbs]

^ Are you butthurt over this too?

Mike Trout: Ban PED users for life
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9560421/mike-trout-los-angeles-angels-says-mlb-ban-ped-users-life

[Axe Murderer]

tbh how do other fans in the LA area view MultiScioscia?

Have the hot seat talks begun yet?

[TheMACHINE]

tbh how do other fans in the LA area view MultiScioscia?

Have the hot seat talks begun yet?

read the Angels thread and you'll see what we've been saying since the first two weeks. lol

[JamStone]

Manuel Cabrera with a better defensive WAR than Mark Trout this year.

Good things steroids helped Cabrera become a better fielder than super Trout, because offensively, they're again posting similar offensive WAR stats.

[Fabbs]

Manuel Cabrera with a better defensive WAR than Mark Trout this year.

Good things steroids helped Cabrera become a better fielder than super Trout, because offensively, they're again posting similar offensive WAR stats.
:lol Could someone take Stats Guy to a live game once in a while?

[Fabbs]

Mike Trout had two RBI singles and has reached base safely in 36 straight games, the longest current streak in the majors.

[monosylab1k]

1. Mark Trout

[monosylab1k]

:lol Could someone take Stats Guy to a live game once in a while?


Mike Trout had two RBI singles and has reached base safely in 36 straight games, the longest current streak in the majors.

:lmao these two posts were literally made in the same minute.

[JamStone]

:lol Could someone take Stats Guy to a live game once in a while?

I'm actually not a stats geek. I don't really care for advanced stats. But I don't ignore them, and I have learned more about advanced stats over the years. But that wasn't even what my comment was about. I guess you didn't understand the sarcasm and irony of mentioning WAR as it references last year's Cabrera/Trout debate and how advanced stats guys were using WAR and defensive metrics to argue Trout was the more valuable player. This season, at least up to now, Trout doesn't have that huge edge in WAR and his defensive metrics are worse than Cabrera's, and Cabrera's standard batting stats are historic and on pace to be even better than last season. So basically, there is no argument for Trout being the better player except for the worthless screams that "Trout is faster." That's really all they have based on this season. And that's not to say Trout isn't having a great year or isn't a great baseball player. He simply is just not as good as Cabrera.

But since you wanted to label me a stats guy, I will give you a few hitting stats for the two players. RISPw2outs, runners in scoring position with 2 outs, almost universally accepted as one of the main clutch hitting stats used to determine clutch hitting. High Leverage hitting stats, advanced stats geeks break down each AB and determine how important and pivotal an AB is in terms of swinging and determining the outcome of the game. High leverage situations can help show how good a hitter can be in the most important hitting situations. And Margin>4 runs, basically hitting stats when the game is a blowout either way, 5 run lead or 5 run deficit. In many of those situations, opposing pitchers are usually just trying to get through innings, usually are no longer in high pressure situations throwing high stress pitches. If it's still the starting pitcher who is losing the blowout, he's probably beat up. If it's a reliever, he's probably throwing a lot of fastballs just trying to get quick outs.

Mike Trout
RISP2/o: .291/.426/.491/.917
High Leverage: .272/.385/.346/.730
Margin>4: .469/.541/.875/1.416

Miguel Cabrera
RISP2/o: .447/.594/.957/1.551
High Leverage: .351/.480/.766/.1.246
Margine>4: .250/.303/.400/.703

So what you see there is that Miggy is one of the greatest hitters ever, but even better in clutch situations, in high pressure ABs. And you also see that Mike Trout morphs into Babe Ruth when the game is a blowout either way and shrinks into Mark Kotsay in important and clutch situations. The difference between Miggy and Trout, as both are having great, great seasons, is that Miggy hits 2 HRs in consecutive ABs against Mariano Rivera in save situations at Yankees stadium, and Mike Trout hits a 3 run homer late in a game with his team trailing 14-4 against a Triple-A call-up.

[irishock]

JamStone shitting all over the thread :lol

[exstatic]

JamStone shitting all over the thread :lol

Cabrera shitting all over Trout, AGAIN. :lol

[Baseline]

I think Mark Trout is fantastic. And I think Mick Trout is phenomenal. I'll bet MLB is testing Cabrera every other day. As an Hispanic player, he's got a bullseye on his back. Almost every player who got in trouble from the Miami clinic was Hispanic. So obviously, if Cabrera is having two straight monster seasons, the Average Joe Fan thinks he's juicing. It's obnoxious. As JamStone pointed out, Cabrera has been a beast since he came in the league. His numbers are quite similar to Pujols' numbers. He's simply a great player.

[exstatic]

I think Mark Trout is fantastic. And I think Mick Trout is phenomenal. I'll bet MLB is testing Cabrera every other day. As an Hispanic player, he's got a bullseye on his back. Almost every player who got in trouble from the Miami clinic was Hispanic. So obviously, if Cabrera is having two straight monster seasons, the Average Joe Fan thinks he's juicing. It's obnoxious. As JamStone pointed out, Cabrera has been a beast since he came in the league. His numbers are quite similar to Pujols' numbers. He's simply a great player.

The thing that struck me about Cabrera the most was not watching him hit, a fantastic experience to be sure. It was the first time I watched him go through the dugout dapping guys after a HR. He looked like a high school kid going through a little league dugout. He's a giant, with Rod Carew's swing. If he were raised in the US, he probably would have played football, and been a DT or DE.

[Kidd K]

Mike Trout
RISP2/o: .291/.426/.491/.917
High Leverage: .272/.385/.346/.730
Margin>4: .469/.541/.875/1.416

Miguel Cabrera
RISP2/o: .447/.594/.957/1.551
High Leverage: .351/.480/.766/.1.246
Margine>4: .250/.303/.400/.703

So what you see there is that Miggy is one of the greatest hitters ever, but even better in clutch situations, in high pressure ABs. And you also see that Mike Trout morphs into Babe Ruth when the game is a blowout either way and shrinks into Mark Kotsay in important and clutch situations. The difference between Miggy and Trout, as both are having great, great seasons, is that Miggy hits 2 HRs in consecutive ABs against Mariano Rivera in save situations at Yankees stadium, and Mike Trout hits a 3 run homer late in a game with his team trailing 14-4 against a Triple-A call-up.

Stats nuke.

[Chris]

Yeah Miggy is sooooo clutch :lmao
So clutch he got his ass swept in the World Series and struck out looking on the final at bat. Fastball right down them middle.

2003 Marlins 6 24 .167
2012 Tigers 4 13 .231

[Axe Murderer]

pretty sure 4/13 doesn't amount to .231

could be wrong tho

[JamStone]

Yeah Miggy is sooooo clutch :lmao
So clutch he got his ass swept in the World Series and struck out looking on the final at bat. Fastball right down them middle.

2003 Marlins 6 24 .167
2012 Tigers 4 13 .231

I think it's fair to criticize Miggy's performance in last year's World Series. He wasn't good enough. Then again, none of the Tigers hitters were. I don't know about criticizing his 2003 World Series performance as a 20 year old rookie, but it is what it is. 4-7 games isn't always going to accurately reflect how good or bad a hitter is. But Miggy certainly could help his legacy by having a great World Series performance if the Tigers are fortunate enough to get back there this year or in the future.

His playoff numbers, as a bigger sample, are better even with those World Series numbers. .276 BA, which isn't all that great, but better than .167 or .231. OPS of .911, which gets closer to what he is as a hitter. And 10 HR with 30 RBI in 41 games. Translate that to a 162 game season, his overall playoff numbers would be on pace for a 39 HR and 118 RBI season. So while his World Series numbers are not good, his overall post season performances are solid, especially considering how the World Series stats bring them down.

[Chris]

Those numbers were a fail attempt at editing a cluster of stats. It was actually 4/24 and 3/14 which would justify the averages.

Yr Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR GS RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG
2003 Marlins 6 24 1 4 0 0 1 0 3 1 0 7 0 0 0 1 .167 .200 .292
2012 Tigers 4 13 1 3 0 0 1 0 3 3 0 4 0 0 0 0 .231 .375 .462
Career G AB R H 2B 3B HR GS RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG
2 Years 10 37 2 7 0 0 2 0 6 4 0 11 0 0 0 1 .189 .268 .351

My point was Cabrera hasn't proved anything yet, just like Trout. His stats are amazing, and he could be the greatest hitter of all time. Until he wins a World Series though, he remains unclutch imo.

[TIMMYtoZO]

:lol at people hating on Cabrera for sucking last year against the Giants. The Giants pitching staff shut everyone from after game 4 of the NLCS to game 4 of the World Series. Cabrera ran into a pitching staff that finally clicked and that was that. He didn't choke...he just ran into a brutal pitching staff. They assfucked the Cards potent lineup 20-1 from games 5-7.

[Axe Murderer]

Until he wins a World Series though

http://blog.newscom.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/florida-marlins-miguel-cabrera.jpg

[Chris]

http://blog.newscom.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/florida-marlins-miguel-cabrera.jpg

All right you got me there, but that was his rookie season and he didn't get called up until late June. He had some good AB's in the playoffs including a homerun off a juicing Roger Clemens. Add to that - it was 10 years ago. Can he carry the Tigers to a World Series title?

[JamStone]

Those numbers were a fail attempt at editing a cluster of stats. It was actually 4/24 and 3/14 which would justify the averages.

Yr Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR GS RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG
2003 Marlins 6 24 1 4 0 0 1 0 3 1 0 7 0 0 0 1 .167 .200 .292
2012 Tigers 4 13 1 3 0 0 1 0 3 3 0 4 0 0 0 0 .231 .375 .462
Career G AB R H 2B 3B HR GS RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG
2 Years 10 37 2 7 0 0 2 0 6 4 0 11 0 0 0 1 .189 .268 .351

My point was Cabrera hasn't proved anything yet, just like Trout. His stats are amazing, and he could be the greatest hitter of all time. Until he wins a World Series though, he remains unclutch imo.

I didn't edit any stats. I even acknowledged that Miggy has not been great in the World Series and it would help his legacy if he did have a great World Series performance. I was just giving a broader picture of what type of hitter he has been in the playoffs. Plus a 10 game stretch, no matter if it's in the World Series or 3 regular season series in late June, isn't really a great sample size to make absolute opinions about a hitter.

Put it to you this way, if Miggy hasn't proven anything and is unclutch because of his poor World Series performances despite everything else he has done in his career, than guys like Willie Mays and Ted Williams didn't prove anything and were unclutch too because of their respective poor World Series performances. Would you really like to spark an argument over why Willie Mays and Ted Williams didn't prove anything in their careers and were unclutch?

Willie Mays (4 World Series, 20 games)
.239/.308/.282/589
0 HRs, 6 RBIs

Ted Williams (1 World Series, 7 games)
.200/.333/.200/.533
0 HR, 1 RBI

[Fabbs]

Manuel Cabrera with a better defensive WAR than Mark Trout this year.

Good things steroids helped Cabrera become a better fielder than super Trout,

I'm actually not a stats geek.

Yeah you're not a stats geek. Cabrera is a better fielder then Trout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRMJ-Y9k9ac

[Chris]

I didn't edit any stats. I even acknowledged that Miggy has not been great in the World Series and it would help his legacy if he did have a great World Series performance. I was just giving a broader picture of what type of hitter he has been in the playoffs. Plus a 10 game stretch, no matter if it's in the World Series or 3 regular season series in late June, isn't really a great sample size to make absolute opinions about a hitter.

Put it to you this way, if Miggy hasn't proven anything and is unclutch because of his poor World Series performances despite everything else he has done in his career, than guys like Willie Mays and Ted Williams didn't prove anything and were unclutch too because of their respective poor World Series performances. Would you really like to spark an argument over why Willie Mays and Ted Williams didn't prove anything in their careers and were unclutch?

Willie Mays (4 World Series, 20 games)
.239/.308/.282/589
0 HRs, 6 RBIs

Ted Williams (1 World Series, 7 games)
.200/.333/.200/.533
0 HR, 1 RBI

I was talking about my edit in post #37. Ted Williams who is/was arguably the greatest hitter of all time, was bashed for not coming through when it really mattered most, just like Stan Musial & Mike Schmidt. Want to see the top 40 most clutch hitters in baseball for last year? The results may surprise you...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=4f7Hg

Rk ▴ Player Clutch Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Pos
1 Jimmy Rollins 2.3 2012 33 PHI NL 156 699 632 102 158 33 5 23 68 62 2 96 0 2 3 9 30 5 .250 .316 .427 .743 *6
2 Kyle Seager 2.1 2012 24 SEA AL 155 651 594 62 154 35 1 20 86 46 1 110 5 2 4 9 13 5 .259 .316 .423 .738 *54/D
3 Jose Reyes 1.7 2012 29 MIA NL 160 716 642 86 184 37 12 11 57 63 9 56 0 5 6 10 40 11 .287 .347 .433 .780 *6
4 Clint Barmes 1.6 2012 33 PIT NL 144 493 455 34 104 16 1 8 45 20 3 106 8 8 2 9 0 2 .229 .272 .321 .593 *6/3
5 Brian Bogusevic 1.6 2012 28 HOU NL 146 404 355 39 72 9 2 7 28 41 1 96 7 0 1 6 15 4 .203 .297 .299 .596 *98/17
6 Jason Kipnis 1.5 2012 25 CLE AL 152 672 591 86 152 22 4 14 76 67 2 109 5 3 6 12 31 7 .257 .335 .379 .714 *4/D
7 Hunter Pence 1.5 2012 29 TOT NL 160 688 617 87 156 26 4 24 104 56 2 145 7 1 7 14 5 2 .253 .319 .425 .743 *9
8 Joey Votto 1.5 2012 28 CIN NL 111 475 374 59 126 44 0 14 56 94 18 85 5 0 2 8 5 3 .337 .474 .567 1.041 *3
9 Dan Uggla 1.4 2012 32 ATL NL 154 630 523 86 115 29 0 19 78 94 5 168 10 0 3 8 4 3 .220 .348 .384 .732 *4
10 Mike Morse 1.4 2012 30 WSN NL 102 430 406 53 118 17 1 18 62 16 0 97 4 0 4 14 0 1 .291 .321 .470 .791 *79/D3
11 Torii Hunter 1.4 2012 36 LAA AL 140 584 534 81 167 24 1 16 92 38 1 133 8 1 3 15 9 1 .313 .365 .451 .817 *9/D
12 Pedro Ciriaco 1.3 2012 26 BOS AL 76 272 259 33 76 15 2 2 19 8 2 47 0 5 0 2 16 3 .293 .315 .390 .705 546D/879
13 Adrian Gonzalez 1.3 2012 30 TOT ML 159 684 629 75 188 47 1 18 108 42 5 110 5 0 8 10 2 0 .299 .344 .463 .806 *39/D
14 Ryan Howard 1.3 2012 32 PHI NL 71 292 260 28 57 11 0 14 56 25 7 99 4 0 3 8 0 0 .219 .295 .423 .718 *3
15 Joe Mauer 1.2 2012 29 MIN AL 147 641 545 81 174 31 4 10 85 90 10 88 2 1 3 23 8 4 .319 .416 .446 .861 *2D3
16 Corey Hart 1.2 2012 30 MIL NL 149 622 562 91 152 35 4 30 83 44 5 151 11 2 3 13 5 0 .270 .334 .507 .841 *39
17 Yasmani Grandal 1.2 2012 23 SDP NL 60 226 192 28 57 7 1 8 36 31 1 39 1 0 2 8 0 0 .297 .394 .469 .863 *2
18 Brandon Belt 1.2 2012 24 SFG NL 145 472 411 47 113 27 6 7 56 54 5 106 3 0 4 2 12 2 .275 .360 .421 .781 *3/7
19 Josh Willingham 1.2 2012 33 MIN AL 145 615 519 85 135 30 1 35 110 76 4 141 14 0 6 15 3 2 .260 .366 .524 .890 *7D
20 Angel Pagan 1.1 2012 30 SFG NL 154 659 605 95 174 38 15 8 56 48 5 97 0 2 4 6 29 7 .288 .338 .440 .778 *8/D
21 Ryan Ludwick 1.1 2012 33 CIN NL 125 472 422 53 116 28 1 26 80 42 3 97 5 1 2 9 0 1 .275 .346 .531 .877 *7/D
22 Erick Aybar 1.1 2012 28 LAA AL 141 554 517 67 150 31 5 8 45 22 1 61 5 7 2 11 20 4 .290 .324 .416 .740 *6
23 Ian Desmond 1.1 2012 26 WSN NL 130 547 513 72 150 33 2 25 73 30 1 113 3 0 1 17 21 6 .292 .335 .511 .845 *6
24 Raul Ibanez 1.1 2012 40 NYY AL 130 425 384 50 92 19 3 19 62 35 5 67 4 0 2 14 3 0 .240 .308 .453 .761 *7D9
25 Yoenis Cespedes 1.1 2012 26 OAK AL 129 540 487 70 142 25 5 23 82 43 5 102 7 0 3 9 16 4 .292 .356 .505 .861 78D
26 Alberto Callaspo 1.1 2012 29 LAA AL 138 520 457 55 115 20 0 10 53 56 1 59 0 3 4 6 4 3 .252 .331 .361 .692 *5
27 Hector Sanchez 1.0 2012 22 SFG NL 74 227 218 22 61 15 0 3 34 5 0 52 1 0 3 8 0 0 .280 .295 .390 .685 *2/D
28 Asdrubal Cabrera 1.0 2012 26 CLE AL 143 616 555 70 150 35 1 16 68 52 3 99 6 1 2 18 9 4 .270 .338 .423 .762 *6/D
29 Darwin Barney 1.0 2012 26 CHC NL 156 588 548 73 139 26 4 7 44 33 1 58 3 3 1 11 6 1 .254 .299 .354 .653 *4/6
30 Brandon Phillips 1.0 2012 31 CIN NL 147 623 580 86 163 30 1 18 77 28 2 79 8 3 4 19 15 2 .281 .321 .429 .750 *4
31 Jason Donald 1.0 2012 27 CLE AL 43 135 124 18 25 2 1 2 11 5 0 40 3 1 2 0 4 0 .202 .246 .282 .529 56/47D8
32 Carlos Pena 1.0 2012 34 TBR AL 160 600 497 72 98 17 2 19 61 87 2 182 13 0 3 10 2 3 .197 .330 .354 .684 *3/D
33 Ryan Hanigan 1.0 2012 31 CIN NL 112 371 317 25 87 14 0 2 24 44 13 37 3 4 3 6 0 0 .274 .365 .338 .703 *2
34 Kirk Nieuwenhuis 1.0 2012 24 NYM NL 91 314 282 40 71 12 1 7 28 25 0 98 2 3 2 2 4 4 .252 .315 .376 .691 *879
35 Yadier Molina 1.0 2012 29 STL NL 138 563 505 65 159 28 0 22 76 45 4 55 5 3 5 10 12 3 .315 .373 .501 .874 *2/3
36 John McDonald 1.0 2012 37 ARI NL 70 213 197 16 49 9 0 6 22 12 5 33 1 2 0 3 0 1 .249 .295 .386 .681 *6/54
37 John Mayberry 1.0 2012 28 PHI NL 149 479 441 53 108 24 0 14 46 34 2 111 2 0 2 17 1 0 .245 .301 .395 .695 783/9D
38 John Jaso 1.0 2012 28 SEA AL 108 361 294 41 81 19 2 10 50 56 1 51 5 1 5 6 5 0 .276 .394 .456 .850 D2
39 Adam Jones 1.0 2012 26 BAL AL 162 697 648 103 186 39 3 32 82 34 0 126 13 0 2 15 16 7 .287 .334 .505 .839 *8/D
40 Garrett Jones 1.0 2012 31 PIT NL 145 515 475 68 130 28 3 27 86 33 2 103 0 0 7 3 2 0 .274 .317 .516 .832 39/D

Now the top 25 Hall of Famers (legends Ted Williams and Willie Mays included)

Rk Player Clutch From To Age G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Pos Tm
1 Nellie Fox 12.9 1950 1965 22-37 2269 10037 8969 1235 2598 349 110 35 769 685 24 207 136 197 48 165 73 78 .290 .348 .365 .712 *4/53 CHW-HOU
2 Tony Gwynn 9.9 1982 2001 22-41 2440 10232 9288 1383 3141 543 85 135 1138 790 203 434 24 45 85 259 319 125 .338 .388 .459 .847 *98/7D SDP
3 Billy Williams 7.4 1959 1976 21-38 2488 10519 9350 1410 2711 434 88 426 1475 1045 182 1046 43 8 73 200 90 49 .290 .361 .492 .853 *79D/38 CHC-OAK
4 Eddie Murray 6.5 1977 1997 21-41 3026 12817 11336 1627 3255 560 35 504 1917 1333 222 1516 18 2 128 315 110 43 .287 .359 .476 .836 *3D/57 BAL-LAD-NYM-CLE-TOT
5 Yogi Berra 6.3 1950 1965 25-40 1789 7090 6356 1002 1802 261 34 311 1183 643 49 352 45 7 44 124 25 21 .284 .351 .482 .833 *27/935 NYY-NYM
6 Roberto Clemente 6.2 1955 1972 20-37 2433 10211 9454 1416 3000 440 166 240 1305 621 167 1230 35 36 66 275 83 46 .317 .359 .475 .834 *9/8745 PIT
7 George Brett 6.1 1973 1993 20-40 2707 11625 10349 1583 3154 665 137 317 1596 1096 229 908 33 26 120 235 201 97 .305 .369 .487 .857 *5D3/796 KCR
8 Willie McCovey 5.6 1959 1980 21-42 2588 9692 8197 1229 2211 353 46 521 1555 1345 260 1550 69 5 70 176 26 22 .270 .374 .515 .889 *37/9D SFG-SDP-TOT
9 Rod Carew 5.0 1967 1985 21-39 2469 10550 9315 1424 3053 445 112 92 1015 1018 144 1028 25 128 64 216 353 187 .328 .393 .429 .822 34/D657 MIN-CAL
10 Ozzie Smith 4.9 1978 1996 23-41 2573 10778 9396 1257 2460 402 69 28 793 1072 79 589 33 214 63 167 580 148 .262 .337 .328 .666 *6 SDP-STL
11 Tony Perez 4.7 1964 1986 22-44 2777 10861 9778 1272 2732 505 79 379 1652 925 150 1867 43 9 106 268 49 33 .279 .341 .463 .804 *35/D4 CIN-MON-BOS-PHI
12 Rickey Henderson 4.5 1979 2003 20-44 3081 13346 10961 2295 3055 510 66 297 1115 2190 61 1694 98 30 67 172 1406 335 .279 .401 .419 .820 *78D/9 OAK-NYY-TOT-NYM-SDP-BOS-LAD
13 Kirby Puckett 3.6 1984 1995 24-35 1783 7831 7244 1071 2304 414 57 207 1085 450 85 965 56 23 58 188 134 76 .318 .360 .477 .837 *89/D7456 MIN
14 Pee Wee Reese 3.4 1950 1958 31-39 1179 5149 4386 729 1189 177 45 74 477 629 3 477 15 100 19 123 124 45 .271 .363 .383 .746 *65 BRO-LAD
15 Enos Slaughter 3.3 1950 1959 34-43 1114 3654 3138 443 891 141 49 54 511 463 11 220 14 29 10 67 27 15 .284 .377 .412 .789 *97/8 STL-TOT-NYY
16 Paul Molitor 2.9 1978 1998 21-41 2683 12167 10835 1782 3319 605 114 234 1307 1094 100 1244 47 75 109 209 504 131 .306 .369 .448 .817 D543/6879 MIL-TOR-MIN
17 Roy Campanella 1.4 1950 1957 28-35 1002 3988 3490 530 964 145 13 211 729 430 30 420 26 24 18 129 19 15 .276 .358 .507 .865 *2 BRO
18 Bill Mazeroski 1.0 1956 1972 19-35 2163 8379 7755 769 2016 294 62 138 853 447 110 706 20 87 70 194 27 23 .260 .299 .367 .667 *4/5 PIT
19 Luis Aparicio 0.9 1956 1973 22-39 2601 11230 10230 1335 2677 394 92 83 791 736 22 742 27 161 76 184 506 136 .262 .311 .343 .653 *6 CHW-BAL-BOS
20 Lou Boudreau 0.8 1950 1952 32-34 167 611 535 61 143 31 3 6 78 61 17 7 8 19 2 2 .267 .350 .370 .720 *6/534 CLE-BOS
21 Joe DiMaggio 0.7 1950 1951 35-36 255 1088 940 186 267 55 14 44 193 141 69 7 0 30 0 0 .284 .381 .513 .894 *8/3 NYY
22 Cal Ripken 0.4 1981 2001 20-40 3001 12883 11551 1647 3184 603 44 431 1695 1129 107 1305 66 10 127 350 36 39 .276 .340 .447 .788 *65/D BAL
23 Joe Morgan 0.1 1963 1984 19-40 2649 11329 9277 1650 2517 449 96 268 1133 1865 76 1015 40 51 96 105 689 162 .271 .392 .427 .819 *4/7D58 HOU-CIN-SFG-PHI-OAK
24 Bobby Doerr 0.1 1950 1951 32-33 255 1126 988 163 288 50 13 40 193 124 75 2 12 31 5 5 .291 .372 .490 .862 *4 BOS
25 Johnny Mize -0.0 1950 1953 37-40 362 946 847 95 224 38 1 43 177 88 80 10 0 18 1 1 .264 .341 .464 .805 *3 NYY

Willie Mays and Ted Williams were on this list at #36 and #48 respectively. Those 2 (obviously) proved a lot during their careers, but they were unable to produce when it mattered most. On the biggest stage in baseball. Unclutch, just like Miggy.

[JamStone]

So is it still your assertion that guys like Willie Mays and Ted Williams, like Cabrera, didn't prove anything? That's what it sounds like to me.

If that's what you believe, then we can just leave it at that. I won't even bother arguing and just let it be an agree to disagree end of the discussion.

[JamStone]

Yeah you're not a stats geek. Cabrera is a better fielder then Trout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRMJ-Y9k9ac

Trout is a good outfielder. But he's not as great as what some people talk him to be. And he's not having a great defensive season.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g3B_FOWLIs

[Flintstones32]

Miggy walk off home run. 13 home runs this year in 9th or later that tied or took the lead. ya. not clutch at all. Please save this thread. Guaranteed he dominates the playoffs this year.

[irishock]

This man is a fucking legend

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Cabreroids still gonna choke in the playoffs

[Fabbs]

Trout is a good outfielder. But he's not as great as what some people talk him to be. And he's not having a great defensive season.
And Cabrera is a better fielder then Trout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIMKSZqXbG4
Bee aner friendly YouTube provided.

[Flintstones32]

lol and people just keep pitching to him. 2 run shot on first pitch of game for Miggy. 85 mph fastball down the middle. wth

[Bill_Brasky]

Cabrera is obviously better, 1 ring faggots, etc etc.

[Fabbs]

^ He could be better then Bonds, huh?

[Heath Ledger]

It's pretty hard to be better than Miggy when you aren't even an active player.... :) Trout goes down with a hamstring injury.. :)

[monosylab1k]

It's pretty hard to be better than Miggy when you aren't even an active player.... :) Trout goes down with a hamstring injury.. :)

lol david carradine
lol dying in an intricate masturbation device

[Heath Ledger]

lol david carradine
lol dying in an intricate masturbation device


As the Thai media would have you believe. You know absofuckinglutely nothing.

[Fabbs]

It's pretty hard to be better than Miggy when you aren't even an active player.... :) Trout goes down with a hamstring injury.. :)
Not only is Trouty Trout a non-cheating non-steroid eater who thus prevents and heals from injuries fairly, he's smart too.

Article:
We’ve seen it all too many times in sports: The overly exuberant young player hustles himself into a crippling injury or exposes himself to long-term wear and tear. The adoration of fans is intoxicating, and thus it is no surprise that young, phenom athletes can fatally push themselves past their bodily limits (i.e. Jeremy Lin). In baseball especially, it is the base-stealing specimen who tend to experience more of these injuries.

Make no mistake Los Angeles Angels fans, Mike Trout hustles. He gives it 100% every time he’s in the field, and he loves stealing bases. But he appears to have maturity well beyond what his 22 years would lead one to believe.

The Los Angeles Times quoted Trout saying, “If it’s sore, I’m not going to push it. I’m a speed guy. I’ve got to take care of my legs.”

If Trout maintains this attitude, it could have huge implications for his career. Given the value he brings to every facet of the game, it would be foolish to risk his health in order to maximize only one area of his game: his speed on the base paths.

Perhaps witnessing the wreckage that fellow outfielder Peter Bourjos made of his body caused Trout to be extra cautious when evaluating his hamstring soreness. Albert Pujols‘ plantar fascia tear, allegedly the result of years of playing through pain, must have also loomed large in Trout’s consciousness.

Finally, his reduced base-stealing numbers this year show that Trout can dial it down when he senses he can. After setting a blistering pace of 49 stolen bases through 139 games last year, Trout has slowed down to 28 bases through 122 games, a more than respectable total.

For all his prowess on the field, Mike Trout’s precocious maturity might give him a “sixth tool” that makes him an even more dangerous player.

Tony Baker is a Los Angeles Angels writer for Rant Sports.

[JamStone]

This is what it's come to for Trout slappies and Angels fans who have nothing else to cheer for. They praise Trout for being a pussy.

Incredible.

[Fabbs]

Real men refuse to temporarily rest so an injury can heal and they are thus able to play more games in the long run. Or just take more steroids to cover up the pain.
Woops!

Miguel Cabrera injured vs. Twins
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9587202/miguel-cabrera-detroit-tigers-hurt-end-game

[JamStone]

Woops!

Miguel Cabrera injured vs. Twins
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9587202/miguel-cabrera-detroit-tigers-hurt-end-game

In the line-up today. Been dealing with an abdominal strain, bad hip flexor, and bruised shin. The games he's missed, they basically had to force him to sit. He's playing through a bunch of injuries.

There are some injuries players simply can't play through. Trout is out with a sore hamstring because he wants to make sure he doesn't make it worse. But then again, he and the Angels don't really have anything to play for this season, now do they?

I have less of an issue with his decision to sit than with an article sucking on his dick for that decision.

[Heath Ledger]

Miggy has been sore for almost 2 months, he just had a streak of 7 or 8 homers in 11 or 12 games. He's a one legged, one hipped crippled monster.

[monosylab1k]

This is what it's come to for Trout slappies and Angels fans who have nothing else to cheer for. They praise Trout for being a pussy.

Incredible.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

http://www.businessinsider.com/image/50e49451eab8ea946c00001a/clowney-hit.gif

[Fabbs]

I have less of an issue with his decision to sit than with an article sucking on his dick for that decision.
So you do or do not view Trout as a pussy for sitting out with a hamstring injury that could be relatively temporary vs continuing to play while risking much more serious injury for those sub .500 bound Skosha Angels?

Was Babe Ruth a pussy in 1922?
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/babe-ruth25.htm

[JamStone]

So you do or do not view Trout as a pussy for sitting out with a hamstring injury that could be relatively temporary vs continuing to play while risking much more serious injury for those sub .500 bound Skosha Angels?

Was Babe Ruth a pussy in 1922?
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/babe-ruth25.htm

I do think Trout is being a pussy because he's sitting himself out for a sore hamstring. If the team forced him to sit out, I wouldn't think anything of it. But nothing in the story on the previous page states the team is forcing him to sit out. In fact, it implies that it's Trout's decision. Yes, a pussy decision. However, I understand why he's being a pussy because the Angels have absolutely nothing to play for right now. Put it to you this way, if the Angels were in the thick of a division race with a chance to make the playoffs, would anyone be writing articles pontificating the virtues of Trout sitting out and possibly costing them a chance for the post season for being "careful" about an injury he can play through? The article was ridiculous to begin with, praising him for sitting out as if he's even a greater player because he's sitting out. It's just dumb.

As for Babe Ruth in 1922, I have no idea why you posted it. 1922 Babe Ruth has exactly zero parallels to Mike Trout sitting out with a sore hamstring. The story says he was suspended at the beginning of the season for barnstorming. I looked it up. Barnstorming was when players went around the country recreating the World Series in small towns to make money. At the time, the league banned that. That's why Ruth was suspended. Babe Ruth didn't take himself out of the line-up. He was suspended by the league, and that's why he went to the box seats before every game while he was suspended. He wasn't taking himself out for a minor injury or for his tonsils. He was suspended, dumbass. The rest of the story talks about how he had problems with umpires and the fans booing and how he couldn't hit the curve ball. What the fuck does that have anything to do with Mike Trout being a pussy with a sore hamstring? Wow, you did all that gravedigging to find a story from 90 years ago that isn't even relevant. Sounds like Babe Ruth was a bitch in 1922. But why on earth did you even post that as if it relates in any kind of way???? You're a fucking dumbass.

[Fabbs]

I do think Trout is being a pussy because he's sitting himself out for a sore hamstring. If the team forced him to sit out, I wouldn't think anything of it. But nothing in the story on the previous page states the team is forcing him to sit out. In fact, it implies that it's Trout's decision. Yes, a pussy decision.
You've had a hamstring injury yourself?
And/or you are all knowing about hamstring injuries?


As for Babe Ruth in 1922, I have no idea why you posted it.
Babe had his tonsils taken out.
What a pussy.
You would have never missed games for having your tonsils taken out.

Care to go over the number of stars in MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL who have sat for a hamsting injury?
You don't know whether it was the team or not who told Trout to sit. You just proclaim Trout did. Spouter.

[JamStone]

Yes, I have had a hamstring injury before. No, I do not know everything about hamstring injuries.

Babe Ruth got his tonsils taken out WHILE HE WAS SUSPENDED. Again, what does that have anything to do with Trout and his hamstring?? You were a dumbass for linking the article in the first place. You're an even bigger dumbass trying to make it like it's still relevant.

No, I don't care to go over the number athletes who have sat for a hamstring injury.

You and I don't know if it was the team or Trout who decided for him to sit. Yet, you posted yourself about how Trout was being smart, implying even you thought it was Trout's decision to make. The article itself quotes Trout saying, "if it's sore, I'm not going to push it," suggesting it's his call. Even if it was the team's decision, both you and the author of the article are cock-sucking bitches for trying to give praise to Trout for sitting on a sore hamstring.

Care to go over the number of fans and sports writers who would suck athlete's cocks for sitting down with a hamstring problem as if that virtuous decision came down from the heavens proving that athlete was even greater than previous believed?

Oh Kevin Durant just jammed his pinky and he's going to miss a couple games. He's such a smart player.

Andrew Luck just got a charlie horse on his thigh and is sitting the season opener. What an intelligent young man.

Fans and media don't praise players for sitting out with injuries, minor or serious. But Trout fans do. No, sports fans praise players for being tough. They laud Donovon McNabb for playing in a playoff game with a broken foot. They write legends about Michael Jordan and the flu game. Historic sports highlight reels show Kirk Gibson on one leg and Willis Reed re-entering the game.

But Trout fans? Mark Trout fans? They suck his cock for sitting out a regular season game...

What the fuck is wrong with you?

[monosylab1k]

:lmao Jamstone going balls deep no vaseline on Faggs.

[Fabbs]

No, I don't care to go over the number athletes who have sat for a hamstring injury.
Next.

[Fabbs]

Yes, I have had a hamstring injury before. No, I do not know everything about hamstring injuries.
Tell us about your legendary toughness while having your hamstring injury.
Oh this should be good....:lol

"Mono wanted to go down on me, but my hamstring was very sore. Rather then deny him....."

[JamStone]

Praising Trout for sitting out games because of a sore hamstring is just over the top. Let me reference a recent Trout article by some guy on yahoo who is once again sparking a Trout for MVP debate with Miguel Cabrera:


If you were designing the perfect baseball player, Mike Trout is exactly whom you'd come up with. Last year he got a late start on the season and easily took home the Rookie of the Year Award. And this year there is absolutely no sign of any "sophomore jinx." Home runs, stolen bases, doubles, walks, great catches and handsome as all heck.

That's Trout fan logic. That pretty much sums up how a lot of Trout fans are. They think he's great and... he's handsome as all heck. It's not unlike you praising him for being smart enough to sit when he's injured. You know what it's like? Let me draw a few comparisons.

-What do you think of Laker fans when they brag about how Kobe gets a lot of pussy?

-Back in 2009 in the National championship game, Thom Brennaman said, “If you’re fortunate enough to spend five minutes or 20 minutes around Tim Tebow, your life is better for it.”

That's what it's like. As if talking about Mike Trout's baseball abilities is not enough. Your ball polishing has to extend to him being "such a smart player" for sitting through an injury. It's ridiculous. It's not even so much about Mike Trout as it is trying to figure out how far you and other Trout slappies will go to deify him. I half expect your next post of Trout to be about how amazing he is for wiping his ass after he shits or for eating a sandwich without mayonnaise. Next, on the Mike Trout is god watch, Trout parallel parks his car without hitting the curb...

[irishock]

Stone Cold JamStone

[Fabbs]

You're mostly strawmanning off.
However to the point you do make:


Fans and media don't praise players for sitting out with injuries, minor or serious. But Trout fans do. No, sports fans praise players for being tough. They laud Donovon McNabb for playing in a playoff game with a broken foot. They write legends about Michael Jordan and the flu game. Historic sports highlight reels show Kirk Gibson on one leg and Willis Reed re-entering the game.
Playing thru minor injuries such as above which will not do further damage to said players is one thing. And yes the over drama that the highlight reels regurgitate is gagging.
Completely different is playing at risk of further injury. Have you seen the studies of how ex NFL players are doing healthwise? Destroying yourself to feed the pockets of some greedy owner or play to some fanboi fantacy of *toughness* is phony bullshit that should have never come about. Yes the sterotype coach barking like a drill sargent, demeaning everything and everyone goes back to who knows when. It's utter bullshit.

You've only sited one article about Trout. Yeah even i thought it was a bit over the top but i stand by it's better to sit in his situation then risk blowing much much more.
As to Cabrera Bonds, i don't think there is much doubt as to whether or not he PEDs. Victor Conte, Bonds ex pusher claims at least 50% of all current MLB players are juicing. FWIW.

[Fabbs]

There are some injuries players simply can't play through. Trout is out with a sore hamstring because he wants to make sure he doesn't make it worse. But then again, he and the Angels don't really have anything to play for this season, now do they?

Well well well.....
Miguel Cabrera out of lineup
General manager Dave Dombrowski said doctors and trainer Kevin Rand have assured them that Cabrera could not make the injury worse by playing. Dombrowski said Cabrera probably could play on Saturday but the decision was to give him the day off. Detroit began the day with 7½-game lead over second-place Cleveland in the AL Central.

[Bill_Brasky]

Praising Trout for sitting out games because of a sore hamstring is just over the top. Let me reference a recent Trout article by some guy on yahoo who is once again sparking a Trout for MVP debate with Miguel Cabrera:



That's Trout fan logic. That pretty much sums up how a lot of Trout fans are. They think he's great and... he's handsome as all heck. It's not unlike you praising him for being smart enough to sit when he's injured. You know what it's like? Let me draw a few comparisons.

-What do you think of Laker fans when they brag about how Kobe gets a lot of pussy?

-Back in 2009 in the National championship game, Thom Brennaman said, “If you’re fortunate enough to spend five minutes or 20 minutes around Tim Tebow, your life is better for it.”

That's what it's like. As if talking about Mike Trout's baseball abilities is not enough. Your ball polishing has to extend to him being "such a smart player" for sitting through an injury. It's ridiculous. It's not even so much about Mike Trout as it is trying to figure out how far you and other Trout slappies will go to deify him. I half expect your next post of Trout to be about how amazing he is for wiping his ass after he shits or for eating a sandwich without mayonnaise. Next, on the Mike Trout is god watch, Trout parallel parks his car without hitting the curb...

:lmao

[Fabbs]

It's pretty hard to be better than Miggy when you aren't even an active player.... :) Trout goes down with a hamstring injury.. :)
Miggy the last two games?

Trouty Trout today:
Double
Triple
Single
and when he went for the cycle instead of getting a chance to launch a bomb the Brewers intentionally walked him.
League leading 82nd walk of the year.

[BUMP]

Praising Trout for sitting out games because of a sore hamstring is just over the top. Let me reference a recent Trout article by some guy on yahoo who is once again sparking a Trout for MVP debate with Miguel Cabrera:



That's Trout fan logic. That pretty much sums up how a lot of Trout fans are. They think he's great and... he's handsome as all heck. It's not unlike you praising him for being smart enough to sit when he's injured. You know what it's like? Let me draw a few comparisons.

-What do you think of Laker fans when they brag about how Kobe gets a lot of pussy?

-Back in 2009 in the National championship game, Thom Brennaman said, “If you’re fortunate enough to spend five minutes or 20 minutes around Tim Tebow, your life is better for it.”

That's what it's like. As if talking about Mike Trout's baseball abilities is not enough. Your ball polishing has to extend to him being "such a smart player" for sitting through an injury. It's ridiculous. It's not even so much about Mike Trout as it is trying to figure out how far you and other Trout slappies will go to deify him. I half expect your next post of Trout to be about how amazing he is for wiping his ass after he shits or for eating a sandwich without mayonnaise. Next, on the Mike Trout is god watch, Trout parallel parks his car without hitting the curb...

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2300537/deandrethunderdunk.gif

[JamStone]

Well well well.....
Miguel Cabrera out of lineup
General manager Dave Dombrowski said doctors and trainer Kevin Rand have assured them that Cabrera could not make the injury worse by playing. Dombrowski said Cabrera probably could play on Saturday but the decision was to give him the day off. Detroit began the day with 7½-game lead over second-place Cleveland in the AL Central.

Incredible.

Miggy wants to play. Leyland and the front office is making him sit. Miggy's being forced to sit. That's the difference. Miggy isn't concerned about saving his body. The management is, which they should be. And this is after about a month of him playing through not just one minor injury, but an abdominal strain, a sore hip flexor, and a bruised up shin. He's been playing through a bunch of injuries and he still wants to be out there playing. There's a pretty big difference from a guy being cleared to play but the manager wants to sit him anyway and a guy who sits himself down because he doesn't want to risk making a minor injury worse. That was my criticism, and as I made it even more clear, my criticism was directed more towards you and the author of the article praising him for his "smarts" to sit down. Where are the articles or the fans who are sucking down Miggy for sitting?

Mike Trout is great. He's an amazing baseball player. However, you and some Trout fans are cock sucking cum buckets when it comes to Trout.

[Fabbs]

Incredible.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Strawman.jpg

[JamStone]

A guy who tried to make a comparison between Trout sitting himself with a hamstring issue and Babe Ruth getting his tonsils taken out while suspended and trying to introduce an argument about me having hamstring issues calling me a straw man? Do you know the definition of a straw man argument? Do you even know what it is?

[MultiTroll]

There's a pretty big difference from a guy being cleared to play but the manager wants to sit him anyway and a guy who sits himself down because he doesn't want to risk making a minor injury worse. That was my criticism,..
Please link me to where Sciosca and Angels management wanted to play Trout but it was Trout and Trout alone who chose to sit.
Which, even if he did:

Now please list your qualifications of sports injury science Dr. JamStone. Qualifications which allow you to declare Trouts hamstring injury as so minor as to he could and should play, thus being a pussy. Cabreras strained abdomen however as being even worse then Babe Ruths tonsils. All ears.

Detroit, which is 44-27 at home, rested Miguel Cabrera (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/5544/miguel-cabrera) for a second straight game because of a strained abdomen. Leyland said he doesn't know when the banged-up star will be back in the lineup.
"According to the medical people, that thing can heal while playing," Leyland said.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/recap?id=330901106

and
Tigers manager Jim Leyland said that Cabrera (abdomen) is absent from Wednesday's lineup because the slugger is feeling "a little sore,"

[Fabbs]

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/I0LqvFMfIso/hqdefault.jpg
Dr. Jamstone delivering his sermon as to how Mike Trout is a pussy for sitting 3 games with a bad hamstring but Miggy is as big and bad as Babe Ruth and Barry Bonds combined.

[ducks]

if I were to start a team today I would pick the Detroit guy over trout any day of the week
trout has no pressure to play well their team stinks and has no chance at playoffs
can trout perform when it counts in a playoff race time will tell

[ducks]

Bryce Harper has been playing hurt since April

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/9/5/4697584/bryce-harper-injury-playing-hurt-nationals

[JamStone]

smh

[Fabbs]

if I were to start a team today I would pick the Detroit guy over trout any day of the week
trout has no pressure to play well their team stinks and has no chance at playoffs
can trout perform when it counts in a playoff race time will tell
Miggy be hot and cold in his playoff history.
.276 with 10 HRs and 30 RBIs in 137 at bats is well below his reg season stats.
Of course he is still a better fielder then Trout.

[ducks]

miggy all all baseball players face the best pitchers in the postseason
the pitchers do not make as many mistakes in the playoffs therefore all the players batting average dip in the playoffs

[Fabbs]

Look at who is batting behind Cabrera, Fielder, and although Fielder is semi struggling right now with a guy like Fielder behind Cabrera obviously he is going to see a lot more good pitches to hit because Fielder is no slouch. And Cabrera can hit non strikes out of the park as well. He's just that good. If it comes out that hes juicing I will leave Spurstalk forever.
100% concurage.
Josh Hamilton behind Trout is definitely costing Trout numbers.

[Fabbs]

Cabrera shitting all over Trout, AGAIN. :lol
Really?

On base %
.443 to .438 is how close Trout has made it.
Miggy is currently .179 batting ave for September.

Walks
99 Tout 1st in AL
84 Miggy

Runs
103 Trout 1st in AL
98 Miggy

HRs
43 Miggy no contest here
23 Trout

RBIs
133 Miggy 1st in AL
86 Trout gee i wonder who has had more opportunites.

Stolen bases
32 Trout
3 Butterball

Then we have fielding. Do you suscribe to Coach Jamstones proclaimation that Miggy is the better fielder? :lol

[Fabbs]

Trout 2013
5 of 6 main offensive categories he is in the top 10

.323 ave 3rd
.432 on base 2nd
27 HRs tied for 14th. Wanted him to hit 30.
97 RBIs 9th
109 runs 1st
33 stolen bases 8th

Needs to improve on strikeouts. A ghastly 136.

Some drop offs from 2012, some increases. All in all one of the best rookie and year 2 seasons ever.

[ducks]

someone is pretty clutch hit a homerun to score first runs in game 5

[MultiTroll]

Too bad he's stuck playing in the Ron Washington era. Maybe if he didn't play with a stacked lineup and pitchers could go around him he would be batting under .280 with a turrible on base percentage. Just shows to go ya.


He still ain't got shit on Cabrera...


JamStone shitting all over the thread :lol


Cabrera shitting all over Trout, AGAIN. :lol


Cabrera is obviously better, 1 ring faggots, etc etc.


This is what it's come to for Trout slappies and Angels fans who have nothing else to cheer for. They praise Trout for being a pussy.

Incredible.


:lmao :lmao :lmao

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Congrats to Miggy on his 500th.
Congrats to ST retards on their assessment of Trout.