Would you give up Danny Green for Tyreke Evans

[Cklbmk]

Hypothetically if we could swing a trade where it was essentially Danny Green for Tyreke Evans, would you?

Tyreke's salary would be between 8.5mil and 11mil

[Blizzardwizard]

Nah.

[DesignatedT]

It's not an option so..........

[coyotes_geek]

No. Gotta be able to shoot the 3 on this team. Evans can't.

[Cklbmk]

It's not an option so..........


I think its a lot closer to being one than you think.

Flip Danny to a 3rd team get Sac a decent SF or PF. They don't want to keep Tyreke

[Cklbmk]

No. Gotta be able to shoot the 3 on this team. Evans can't.


Not like thats fixable or anything

[Baam]

Nah because he's a RFA but I'd think twice about someone like Batum...

Tiago and Green for Batum could be great.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Yes I would. Having them both would be even better.

[Vash StampedE]

Nah. Green's strength (3-point shooting, defense) is way more valuable than Evans (slashing, passing?). Green's a keeper.

[jestersmash]

Can I give up Gary Neal for Tyreke Evans instead, tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

Considering Green is younger and cheaper, no. I still would be willing to spend for Tyreke, as he could be groomed to fill the Manu role as best he could. He's essentially a 6'6 point guard who can score. Evans should and will get paid more than Green, but Danny is blossoming into a great defensive player and is already an elite outside shooter. Perfect fit for the Spurs

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Can I give up Gary Neal for Tyreke Evans instead, tbh :lol

Tbh I think that's a legitimate possibility. Bring back Manu and Splitter, let Neal go, sign Evans with the rest of the cap space. Sorry, Nando.

[Baam]

Considering Green is younger and cheaper, no. I still would be willing to spend for Tyreke, as he could be groomed to fill the Manu role as best he could. He's essentially a 6'6 point guard who can score. Evans should and will get paid more than Green, but Danny is blossoming into a great defensive player and is already an elite outside shooter. Perfect fit for the Spurs

Green is older tho.

[Captivus]

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[spurraider21]

Tbh I think that's a legitimate possibility. Bring back Manu and Splitter, let Neal go, sign Evans with the rest of the cap space. Sorry, Nando.

If we're able to bring back Manu/Splitter AND bring in Evans it would be a heck of an offseason :tu
of course, with the hope that Baynes gets a shot to crack to rotation

[Raven]

no i wouldn't, i would give neal and decolo though..

[Chinook]

Nah because he's a RFA but I'd think twice about someone like Batum...

Tiago and Green for Batum could be great.

That would suck. Green's more valuable to the team than Batum would be, and then you throw in losing Splitter...

Anyway, Green can be part of a sign-and-trade package for Evans. It wouldn't love the deal, but depending on the other off-season moves, it could work out.

[spurraider21]

Green is older tho.
damn, good call. hadn't realized that at all :lol

that said, Danny is at least growing as a player and the arrow is pointing way up on him, whereas Tyreke has not made any great leaps and bounds. I will credit the Sacramento organization for that though, trying to force him to play different positions, bringing him off the bench, etc. Keith Smart imo was the worst coach in the NBA

[SenorSpur]

Evans has regressed each year he's been in the NBA. Having been on a team of selfish players, he's also become a selfish ball-hog himself, who doesn't play any hint of defense. Green has already proven himself as an emerging player for the Spurs. He's a better shooter and defender. There are no comparisons. Green is clearly the better fit for the Spurs.

[Baam]

That would suck. Green's more valuable to the team than Batum would be, and then you throw in losing Splitter...

Anyway, Green can be part of a sign-and-trade package for Evans. It wouldn't love the deal, but depending on the other off-season moves, it could work out.

Batum can put the ball on the floor better and is longer. And he's younger with possibly a higher ceiling.

Batum is vastly overpaid but starting him next to Kawhi could be pretty awesome.

[palangi]

I would rather give up hanga's rights and de colo for tyreke.

evans becomes our new ginobli

[Chinook]

Batum can put the ball on the floor better and is longer. And he's younger with possibly a higher ceiling.

Batum is vastly overpaid but starting him next to Kawhi could be pretty awesome.

No it wouldn't. Neither player is a two-guard. The more people try to make Leonard a guard the worse he's going to be. He's barely a small-forward offensively as it is.

And if Batum hasn't reached his ceiling after five years and seven figures, I don't know why people are assuming he'd hit it now. Green, though, we know hasn't hit his ceiling, since he's gotten appreciably better each season and has shown flashes of being able to do the things he needs to in order be a better player inside the arch.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Evans has regressed each year he's been in the NBA. Having been on a team of selfish players, he's also become a selfish ball-hog himself, who doesn't play any hint of defense. Green has already proven himself as an emerging player for the Spurs. He's a better shooter and defender. There are no comparisons. Green is clearly the better fit for the Spurs.

He needs a fresh start, tbh. What's the motivation in playing with such selfish players? Bringing him into a contender's environment will definitely help him out.

[BatManu20]

I really hope that the Spurs are interested in him. I'd love to have him on this squad. Been thinking about it and he'd be a great fit imo. A PG/SG who can create his own shot and break you down off the dribble. Would be a great replacement to Manu imo, and would take some of the burden off him as well.

I know he's been labeled a selfish player, but he's young (only 23) and playing for a terrible team. I think the Spurs would make him a much better and more efficient player, and he would make us a better team. I'd rather have him over Iguodala tbh. Not only because he's cheaper, but because he's a slightly better fit imo. We need a creator, and that's what he is. He can shoot the 3 too.

He's a RFA though.. and the Kings would likely match any offer unless it was a ridiculous one unfortunately.


And to those who think he's overrated or can't ball, watch his game tape. He's legit. And this is on a shitty Kings squad. Imagine him with the Spurs.

LZBFZH1vP7M

[ducks]

would give them blair for him

[Dingle Barry]

No. Injury prone and as noted above, his production has declined every year.

[ducks]

kings were terrible run last year
no coaching evans would thrive as a spur

[024]

Yes, the Spurs have the greatest shooting coach in the world. Evans a consistent jump shot away from being an all star. His slashing ability is quite impressive. He's like a taller Tony Parker. Spurs can make a run at him in the free agency but he's restricted so it'll be even harder considering the Spurs' frugal nature.

[jiggy_55]

No. But I really do like OJ Mayo honestly! The guy can attack and shoot lights out also. He just opted out of his Dallas contract. Any chance Spurs show interest? As much as I love Danny Green, OJ Mayo is an overall much better offensive player, maybe he would come off the bench with Manu to be our backup 2/3?

[BatManu20]

No. Injury prone and as noted above, his production has declined every year.

He averaged 15, 4, and 4 last season?. That's pretty good.. And that was on a terrible team. I think he'd be a much better player in the Spurs system surrounded by great talent. He's only 23 too.

[look_at_g_shred]

Nope. I love Danny's defense more than anything. At least you can always count on that being there.

[ffadicted]

wtf @ people saying no? In a heartbeat tbh

[raybies]

It would take an offer.. I dont See the spurs offering any One in free agency more than what Parkers making unless Its Paul or Howard and thats very unlikely. If the spurs think Evans has 6th Man potential they might but WHO thinks hes a spur.

If they get a big Its because we lost splitter, but If we can keep him than that money spells a combo guard that can handle and score ideally. Like a Jarret jack or even a randy foye on the cheap. Then a sf. Maybe a 5th big like Thomas Robinson.

Bottom line, how much do you think it would cost to pry him away If the spurs do think he is a spur?
My guess would be around 10 mill considering they have ben Now.

[RD2191]

wtf @ people saying no? In a heartbeat tbh

[Calavera]

Would you give up Danny Green for Tyreke Evans (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218788&page=2)?
4sure!
?

NBA Rookie of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Rookie_of_the_Year_Award): 2010
NBA All-Rookie First Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Rookie_Team): 2010
NBA Rookie Challenge MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Weekend_Rookie_Challenge): 2010
?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyreke_Evans
Danny Green will never be a better basketball player than Evans. Green is still a playoff chocker, don't lie yourselves.

[ace3g]

I posted this in the think tank thread for him:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210927&p=6707695&viewfull=1#post6707695

but he said he benefited from playing SF and SG; comfortable playing multiple spots; would bring a lot of versatility to the roster without having to be shoehorned into a specific position.

Plus when they go small he adds another ball handler without having to resort to a smaller player.

[T Park]

He's a FA, why not just sign him and keep Green?

[ace3g]

oh and if you need a half court buzzer beater, always get the ball to him

[DPG21920]

He's a FA, why not just sign him and keep Green?

You could try, but he's restricted.

[T Park]

You could try, but he's restricted.

You give him an offer sheet. Worst that happens is Sacramento has another bad contract.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

You could try, but he's restricted.

The McLemore pick makes me think they're trying to move on, imo.

[DPG21920]

You give him an offer sheet. Worst that happens is Sacramento has another bad contract.

Well you asked why you might have to do a trade. If you like him enough to sign and offer sheet, you probably would be willing to do a reasonable trade in order to get him. Also, if the Spurs sign him to the offer sheet, and they match, are you saying the Spurs would have been stuck with a bad contract :lol?

[palangi]

He's a FA, why not just sign him and keep Green?
because he is a Restricted free agent

[DPG21920]

The McLemore pick makes me think they're trying to move on, imo.

Could very well be the case, but that doesn't mean they will just let an asset walk for nothing. They might let him go, but S&T are there for a reason.

[spurtech09]

Yes I would. Having them both would be even better.
agree

[T Park]

Well you asked why you might have to do a trade. If you like him enough to sign and offer sheet, you probably would be willing to do a reasonable trade in order to get him. Also, if the Spurs sign him to the offer sheet, and they match, are you saying the Spurs would have been stuck with a bad contract :lol?

Not at all. I don't see any trade scenarios Sacramento would accept.

[DPG21920]

For the next two years, Green is almost at the irreplaceable stage. It's so rare to find someone that can not only shoot the 3 like him, but defend as he does.

This is the Richard Jefferson conundrum all over again. Sure, guys like RJ and Evans are clearly more talented guys, but their fit compared to Green's is not as good. Talent level of the team would go up, but likely it would end up being a net loss. He's not untradeable, but damn, he would be hard to replicate in this system at the moment. Not only that, but even brining in someone at SG seems odd considering moving Danny to the bench might really hurt his overall usefulness.

[Cklbmk]

Considering Green is younger and cheaper, no. I still would be willing to spend for Tyreke, as he could be groomed to fill the Manu role as best he could. He's essentially a 6'6 point guard who can score. Evans should and will get paid more than Green, but Danny is blossoming into a great defensive player and is already an elite outside shooter. Perfect fit for the Spurs

Evans is 3 years younger than Green.

[SenorSpur]

He needs a fresh start, tbh. What's the motivation in playing with such selfish players? Bringing him into a contender's environment will definitely help him out.

Understand and getting a fresh start is probably a good idea for Evans. However, there are plenty of other teams that can offer him both playing time and a better fit. As far I'm concerned, it's not even a good discussion idea. If the saving money is the objective, the Spurs can start by getting rid of Bonner.

[DPG21920]

Not at all. I don't see any trade scenarios Sacramento would accept.

Sure, there is that too which is an option. But the original question is why would you trade if he's a FA and I was just trying to paint that picture. Whether or not SAC wants him back, would want to trade or any other thing is still open.

[T Park]

Sure, there is that too which is an option. But the original question is why would you trade if he's a FA and I was just trying to paint that picture. Whether or not SAC wants him back, would want to trade or any other thing is still open.

Understood.

[Vash StampedE]

Would you give up Danny Green for Tyreke Evans (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218788&page=2)?
4sure!
?
NBA Rookie of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Rookie_of_the_Year_Award): 2010
NBA All-Rookie First Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Rookie_Team): 2010
NBA Rookie Challenge MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Weekend_Rookie_Challenge): 2010
?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyreke_Evans
Danny Green will never be a better basketball player than Evans. Green is still a playoff chocker, don't lie yourselves.



Those achievements are from like 3 years ago. Didn't you see what he did in the recently passed playoffs, the last 2 games aside? Sure he may not be a better player than Evans but he sure is a better fit to our team.

[Baam]

You can't trade Green for a bad 3pt shooter, especially with the current version of Manu and Joseph is not a pure shooter either.

Imo either you trade for a better/more versatile version like Batum or for a big but then you create another hole.

[Cklbmk]

For the next two years, Green is almost at the irreplaceable stage. It's so rare to find someone that can not only shoot the 3 like him, but defend as he does.

This is the Richard Jefferson conundrum all over again. Sure, guys like RJ and Evans are clearly more talented guys, but their fit compared to Green's is not as good. Talent level of the team would go up, but likely it would end up being a net loss. He's not untradeable, but damn, he would be hard to replicate in this system at the moment. Not only that, but even brining in someone at SG seems odd considering moving Danny to the bench might really hurt his overall usefulness.


More like Manu slides into the starting line up and Evans slides into Manu's role.

Manu is more than capable of being Danny Green.

[palangi]

More like Manu slides into the starting line up and Evans slides into Manu's role.

Manu is more than capable of being Danny Green.
you didn't watch much of the playoffs this year did you? manu was bad behind the arc and terrible on defense. the only thing that many could replace right not is green terrible dribble drive. which many had perfected by the finals with his large abundance of jump pass turnovers.

[dbestpro]

I would give up two Danny Greens for Tyreke Evans. What you saw of Green in game 6, and game 7 is more his norm. You will never see him go off again like he did in the first part of the series. Just ask yourself where you on Green before the finals and maybe you can give a more honest answer without the rose colored glasses.

[DPG21920]

I would give up two Danny Greens for Tyreke Evans. What you saw of Green in game 6, and game 7 is more his norm. You will never see him go off again like he did in the first part of the series. Just ask yourself where you on Green before the finals and maybe you can give a more honest answer without the rose colored glasses.

He "went off" all year. He doesn't need to set NBA all time records to be useful. If he just plays to his averages, it's great. Not to mention, look at the championship level defensive plays he made even when he was not scoring.

[Leetonidas]

You have to be retarded to rather have Green than Evans tbh

[dbestpro]

He "went off" all year. He doesn't need to set NBA all time records to be useful. If he just plays to his averages, it's great. Not to mention, look at the championship level defensive plays he made even when he was not scoring.

Roses are red. Violets are blue.

[DPG21920]

Roses are red. Violets are blue.

Basketball is a sport, but not the one for you.

[dbestpro]

Basketball is a sport, but not the one for you.

Poetry and rose colored glasses. Looks like you might have a little Andy Warhol in you.

[Cklbmk]

you didn't watch much of the playoffs this year did you? manu was bad behind the arc and terrible on defense. the only thing that many could replace right not is green terrible dribble drive. which many had perfected by the finals with his large abundance of jump pass turnovers.


You didn't watch what happened when Manu was asked to shoot and not create did you?

[DPG21920]

Poetry and rose colored glasses. Looks like you might have a little Andy Warhol in you.

Poetry and mis-informed takes, sounds like you have a like have Culburn in you (and we know what he's into).

[angelbelow]

Yes. Since the TJ Ford signing, I've been more open minded to adding players who come from really shitty situations/franchises. They simply don't have the guidance from veteran leadership, to coaching staff and trainers, to front office personnel, to the ownership group.

Now.. unless Evans is a documented head case or cancer, his potential is too good to pass on. That said, this is a pipe dream. Hes a restricted free agent and King will likely match any offer.

[DPG21920]

And I'm not saying the Spurs shouldn't do a trade like this. I'm saying the net benefits may surprise some despite TE being a much more talented player.

[look_at_g_shred]

Yes. Since the TJ Ford signing, I've been more open minded to adding players who come from really shitty situations/franchises. They simply don't have the guidance from veteran leadership, to coaching staff and trainers, to front office personnel, to the ownership group.

Now.. unless Evans is a documented head case or cancer, his potential is too good to pass on. That said, this is a pipe dream. Hes a restricted free agent and King will likely match any offer.

Kings already said they wouldn't match anything but the QO that said he's probably gonna get at least 10mil per season. Don't know if the Spurs should risk that amount on TE

[Chinook]

Poetry and rose colored glasses. Looks like you might have a little Andy Warhol in you.

He's fourth among active players in career three-point percentage. There's nothing biased about saying that he's one of the best shooters in the league. Despite your assumption, Ginobili is not nearly the shooter Green is, and he's also isn't the defender he is at this stage in his career.

[spurraider21]

i'm sure the last thing the kings want to do is to match an offer sheet for evans. considering his QO was about 7 mil, an offer sheet would exceed that. do you think Sacto really wants to match a multiyear offer worth about 8 mil per year for Evans when they just drafted McLemore and after Isaiah Thomas had a good year? Considering Cousins warrants a big contract, I'd imagine they try to retain as much flexibility as possible

[I. Hustle]

http://global3.memecdn.com/full-potato_o_596592.jpg

[Cklbmk]

Yes. Since the TJ Ford signing, I've been more open minded to adding players who come from really shitty situations/franchises. They simply don't have the guidance from veteran leadership, to coaching staff and trainers, to front office personnel, to the ownership group.

Now.. unless Evans is a documented head case or cancer, his potential is too good to pass on. That said, this is a pipe dream. Hes a restricted free agent and King will likely match any offer.


They drafted a SG, they publically said they won't match "increased" offers. Every indication is the Kings want to move on from him

[BatManu20]

i'm sure the last thing the kings want to do is to match an offer sheet for evans. considering his QO was about 7 mil, an offer sheet would exceed that. do you think Sacto really wants to match a multiyear offer worth about 8 mil per year for Evans when they just drafted McLemore and after Isaiah Thomas had a good year? Considering Cousins warrants a big contract, I'd imagine they try to retain as much flexibility as possible

Hope you're right. I want him more than any other FA. I think he can be had for $8-9 million per, which is reasonable for him.

[spurraider21]

Hope you're right. I want him more than any other FA. I think he can be had for $8-10 million per, which is reasonable for him.

this. if manu had been making 14 million per, i'm sure Evans is well worth 9-10 mil

[td4mvp2k]

Basketball is a sport, but not the one for you.

:lmao

[td4mvp2k]

No. But I really do like OJ Mayo honestly! The guy can attack and shoot lights out also. He just opted out of his Dallas contract. Any chance Spurs show interest? As much as I love Danny Green, OJ Mayo is an overall much better offensive player, maybe he would come off the bench with Manu to be our backup 2/3?:tu

[justinandimcool]

In a heartbeat.

[KL2]

No!

Green while not a perfect defender and makes a lot of mistakes he is still a GREAT defender, he's not as good guarding SG's but where he excels is at guarding combo/PG's, that's where he plays ELITE defense.

He held Curry to what, 2-19? When he switched to Jack who had been killing us he took him out easy. He's guarded CP3 and did a great job on him last year, etc. This guy can can lock combo/PG's down because of his quickness and speed. He's a really valuable player to have. The NBA is loaded with great PG's, Lawson, Paul, Jack, Rubio, Westbrook, Rose etc.

Green guarding that player allows Parker to take a break defensively, where they can hide him on a not so good SG instead of him running through multiple screens or chasing the ball handler all over the floor.


Green has also proven he can play in the playoffs, this is where the intensity turns up. Where some guys fold under pressure (Bonner), others step up their game (Green). Things become 10x harder, the game speeds up, and if you fail to execute or turn it over the other team will score. This guy was setting a 3pt series record in the finals!

[Calavera]

Evans taking the SG spot in the Spurs line up is a video game scenario. If the FO can afford it they would do it just like they cut S.Jackson. yes, green is serviceable, but he can't get higher than his ceiling and in the near future /almost right now/ Spurs will need much more from that 2 spot /because of Manu shrinking/

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Who else is likely to be in the market for Evans?

[Nathan89]

I'll sign him but I wouldn't trade Green. We need to pick a guy like Tyreke up to generate offense for the bench. Manu can't do that anymore. We won't be able to win with ten terrible bench minutes in the playoffs.

Really the discussion should be should we pay manu or put more money towards Tyreke if need be.

[AASATX]

No, but like others I'd be fine with letting Neal go.

[ElNono]

tbh, I suspect the Spurs don't even consider Tyreke Spurs material... and while he's very talented, I'm not sure he's at a level that would make the FO overlook that...

[benefactor]

Yes...without a second thought. But since there is no scenario where that is likely to happen, it doesn't really matter.

[DPG21920]

Don't just focus on FAs either. While it's more likely to come through FA, when you have cap space you can trade for guys as well.

[siraulo23]

Rookie tyreke? Any day of the week

LSt seasonss tyreke hmm tough just because I question his fit to the system but il prolly do it

[coyotes_geek]

Not like thats fixable or anything

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Personally, I don't think it's worth the 2x money Green is making to find out the answer, be that answer yes or no.

[spurraider21]

system fit? tyreke's style of play translates into the old Manu role. i'm a big fan of his game. he is my dream acquisition for this offseason. unless something crazy happens and kemp visits

that said, i wouldn't want to give up green because of how friendly his contract is, relative to the role he plays. we could theoretically make a run at tyreke and retain splitter, pending on the size of his contract. speaking of which, have we even officially extended his qualifying ofer?

[Mr Bones]

It's not a question of who is a "better" player, it's a question of relative value. Green makes 3.7 mil next season. For a guy who plays good defense and shoots 43% on 3 point shots, that's a great bargain. I don't see Tyreke making less than 9 mil next year. So the question is this: is Tyreke more valuable than Danny Green plus an MLE player? Because that's what the Spurs can get instead of potentially signing or trading for Evans.

[exstatic]

Considering Green is younger and cheaper, no. I still would be willing to spend for Tyreke, as he could be groomed to fill the Manu role as best he could. He's essentially a 6'6 point guard who can score. Evans should and will get paid more than Green, but Danny is blossoming into a great defensive player and is already an elite outside shooter. Perfect fit for the Spurs

I stopped reading right there. Tyreke is 23 years old. Danny Green is 26.

[TheGoldStandard]

It's not a question of who is a "better" player, it's a question of relative value. Green makes 3.7 mil next season. For a guy who plays good defense and shoots 43% on 3 point shots, that's a great bargain. I don't see Tyreke making less than 9 mil next year. So the question is this: is Tyreke more valuable than Danny Green plus a MLE player? Because that's what the Spurs can get instead of potentially signing or trading for Evans.

Would be a great investment if we were shored up in the bigs department but we're not.. Have to address our length up front before we think backcourt.

[exstatic]

Nah because he's a RFA but I'd think twice about someone like Batum...

Tiago and Green for Batum could be great.

Brah, Sacto just drafted the best SG in the draft and a likely future All Star. Even before that, rumors were that the qualifying offer was just to get teams to the trading table.

[Mr Bones]

It's not a question of who is a "better" player, it's a question of relative value. Green makes 3.7 mil next season. For a guy who plays good defense and shoots 43% on 3 point shots, that's a great bargain. I don't see Tyreke making less than 9 mil next year. So the question is this: is Tyreke more valuable than Danny Green plus a MLE player? Because that's what the Spurs can get instead of potentially signing or trading for Evans.


Would be a great investment if we were shored up in the bigs department but we're not.. Have to address our length up front before we think backcourt.

I agree. Green at 3.7 million/year plus Brandan Wright at 4 or 5 million/year sounds better to me than Tyreke Evans solo at 8 or 9 million/year. Though I do think the Spurs need another reliable ball handler to take some of Manu's minutes next year, too.

[Mr Bones]

During the prime Spurs vs Suns rivalry years, Shawn Marion was a more well rounded, all-around basketball player than Bruce Bowen. He also got paid a lot more. But Bowen performed his role to near perfection, and for a discounted rate. This gave the Spurs the ability to go get guys like Horry, Barry, etc.

[TheGoldStandard]

I agree. Green at 3.7 million/year plus Brandan Wright at 4 or 5 million/year sounds better to me than Tyreke Evans solo at 8 or 9 million/year. Though I do think the Spurs need another reliable ball handler to take some of Manu's minutes next year, too.

Yes, and Tyreke has that play making ability plus he can pass the ball but price tag is too high. My hope is that Thomas pans out during the summer league and gets a shot at being a bench guy next year. Just come off the bench for a few minutes and spot up to make some shots.

[coachmac87]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LZBFZH1vP7M

Watch the first 10seconds of this video and tell yourself you'd take Green over this guy.. Potential over production people. Ask yourself this.

Do the Spurs need a shooter or a playmaker??

[Chinook]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LZBFZH1vP7M

Watch the first 10seconds of this video and tell yourself you'd take Green over this guy.. Potential over production people. Ask yourself this.

Do the Spurs need a shooter or a playmaker??

A shooter. Trading Green would get rid of the team's top three shooters in one off-season. You better have an idea on how to replace Green if you move him. Evans isn't the answer to that problem; he's just the solution to another.

[coachmac87]

A shooter. Trading Green would get rid of the team's top three shooters in one off-season. You better have an idea on how to replace Green if you move him. Evans isn't the answer to that problem; he's just the solution to another.

Gary Neal? I mean you can find shooters....But it's harder to find players like Evans especially at his age. If Spurs can get anything close to his rookie yr production it would be a huge upgrade.

[coachmac87]

But the good thing is as mentioned before Spurs don't necessarily need to trade Green to get Evans...

[Chinook]

Gary Neal? I mean you can find shooters....But it's harder to find players like Evans especially at his age. If Spurs can get anything close to his rookie yr production it would be a huge upgrade.

For as good of a play-maker Evans is, Green is a better 3-and-D player. It's not easy at all to find players like Green; it took the team almost a decade to do so. Meanwhile, competent ball-handlers can be had for the minimum much more readily. For every Gary Neal, there are more Prigioni's and CJ Watsons. Good shooters get paid; good ball-handlers remain cheap.

So when it comes to overall value, it's not simply that Evans is better than Green, so the trade is a no-brainer. Green was absolutely essential to getting the Spurs to the Finals. His production has to be replaced by someone.

The reason why I want Evans is because he'd be gravy added to a team that was very close to being champions. If you start to break up that team to acquire him, you no longer have the same confidence that the team remains as good as it was.

[AFBlue]

Yup

[TheGoldStandard]

Too much for Tyreke Evans when we have other issues.

[coachmac87]

His production is a 40% 3pt shooter. Not the % he did in the finals. If he shot like that the rest of his career then na I wouldn't give him up for Evans. But that's not gonna happen. Players shoot better when playing for Spurs...system or chip?? I dunno but you can't turn players into great play makers. Spurs have proven they can make great shooters..Green is one of them

[coachmac87]

And lets not forget Green is strictly a catch and shoot player. Can't shoot off dribble or off screens as much you'd want from " elite shooter"

[coachmac87]

When it comes to purely shooting...

Gary Neal > Danny Green and it's not even close tbh

[Austin_Toros]

Evans has regressed each year he's been in the NBA.

No. Injury prone and as noted above, his production has declined every year.

Statistically speaking, this view is true. However, remember that Evans played on a bad team and was used out of position which may explain some of his recent bad form.

[TheGoldStandard]

To much of a price tag for what we'd ask him to do.

[Chinook]

Too much for Tyreke Evans when we have other issues.

Like what?

[Chinook]

And lets not forget Green is strictly a catch and shoot player. Can't shoot off dribble or off screens as much you'd want from " elite shooter"

Did you miss all of the off-dribble and off-screen threes he was making this season?

[TheGoldStandard]

Like what?

SF/PF/C needs.. Wouldn't eat up the cap space for another guard

[Chinook]

SF/PF/C needs.. Wouldn't eat up the cap space for another guard

The Spurs are not going to spend $9 Million on another big man if they're going to spend $7.5 Million+ on Splitter. No way a fourth big gets more than a couple million. If they move on from Splitter, the Spurs get more cap space, and they can address the hole with the bigs while getting Evans.

Small-forward isn't that big of a need with Evans in the fold. He was actually pretty successful there, and among him, Ginobili and Green, the team shouldn't need to spend more than the minimum on Leonard's backup.

That's what I've been trying to tell people: The money we're talking about for Evans, Jack, JR Smith is pretty much just extra cap space after filling needs. So thinking of these acquisitions in terms of holes doesn't make sense.

[Chinook]

Statistically speaking, this view is true. However, remember that Evans played on a bad team and was used out of position which may explain some of his recent bad form.

He maintained the same per 36 numbers the last three seasons, and his advanced stats are actually trending upward. The numbers only say Evans is declining if they're looked at as superficially as possible.

[elemento]

I think Evans would improve in a good franchise like the Spurs, but i don't think SA is willing to pay the price to try it.

You don't find many players that good finishing at the rim, with amazing ball-handling skills and an elite 1st step.I think he is in bad situation in SAC. Still, I don't even think SA consider him a FA target.

[TheGoldStandard]

The Spurs are not going to spend $9 Million on another big man if they're going to spend $7.5 Million+ on Splitter. No way a fourth big gets more than a couple million. If they move on from Splitter, the Spurs get more cap space, and they can address the hole with the bigs while getting Evans.

Small-forward isn't that big of a need with Evans in the fold. He was actually pretty successful there, and among him, Ginobili and Green, the team shouldn't need to spend more than the minimum on Leonard's backup.

That's what I've been trying to tell people: The money we're talking about for Evans, Jack, JR Smith is pretty much just extra cap space after filling needs. So thinking of these acquisitions in terms of holes doesn't make sense.

I think that walking away from Splitter would be ideal and the only bigs that are out there which would improve the Spurs are going to be 8M to 10M guys. Evans just seems like someone out of the spurs reach. I don't think they chase him.

[Chinook]

I think that walking away from Splitter would be ideal and the only bigs that are out there which would improve the Spurs are going to be 8M to 10M guys. Evans just seems like someone out of the spurs reach. I don't think they chase him.

They might (probably) not. But what I'm saying is that the money they use to chase him isn't really the same money they're going to use to re-sign Splitter or to chase another big. That money is coming from Ginobili taking a pay cut. If Manu's pay cut is not small enough, then the Spurs may be left with pretty much just the MLE (that much in cap space) and room exception to improve.

[TheGoldStandard]

They might (probably) not. But what I'm saying is that the money they use to chase him isn't really the same money they're going to use to re-sign Splitter or to chase another big. That money is coming from Ginobili taking a pay cut. If Manu's pay cut is not small enough, then the Spurs may be left with pretty much just the MLE (that much in cap space) and room exception to improve.

Yes, and I don't think he takes a large pay cut.. I think they'll overvalue him on the market..

[look_at_g_shred]

I want Aminu dammit!!

[td4mvp2k]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LZBFZH1vP7M

Watch the first 10seconds of this video and tell yourself you'd take Green over this guy.. Potential over production people. Ask yourself this.

Do the Spurs need a shooter or a playmaker??U watch da 1st 10 secs of dis vid foo...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5BDwyS-lvI

[coachmac87]

Did you miss all of the off-dribble and off-screen threes he was making this season?

C'mon bro. Danny Green was not shooting off the dribble..he's a catch and shoot guy. Arguably one of the best but that's all he is.

I like Danny Green. But if it came down to possibly giving him up for Evans I'd do it. The guy just gives you more and makes us versatile

[Chinook]

C'mon bro. Danny Green was not shooting off the dribble..he's a catch and shoot guy. Arguably one of the best but that's all he is.

I like Danny Green. But if it came down to possibly giving him up for Evans I'd do it. The guy just gives you more and makes us versatile

Yes, he was. There've been threads on the this very forum dedicated to the fact that he added an off-dribble pull-up this season. He does it a couple of times on the video right above your post. Green spots up mostly because that's what he's supposed to do when he's next to Parker. But he also had a pretty healthy screen game, as he showed off against the Warriors.

Now can he get better at those things? Of course. He should become a lot more consistent in all of his offense inside the three-point line. He showed flashes during the Golden State series of having a complete offensive game. I imagine that's what he'll come back with in October.

If you want to trade him for Evans, that's your opinion. But to think that Evans can do what Green did or that Evans without Green makes the Spurs a better team is just not something I can agree with. Having Tyreke over Danny in Game 7 might have resulted in a Spurs victory, but the team would not have been anywhere near closing out the Finals had Evans replaced Green throughout the playoffs. Unless you can get someone who can do what Green did (which is really hard, since Green set a record in the Finals, and he stopped Lebron more in seven games than anyone else has ever stopped him without fouling), I don't believe the Spurs would be better.

[Kidd K]

I'd take Tyreke in exchange for Manu tbh, if I had a guarantee he would re-sign for around 10-12m rather than expect 15m or some shit.

[jesterbobman]

I wouldn't trade Danny Green for much short of a deserved all star player. His ability to be a 40% 3 point shooter from every spot is incredibly valuable, not just for the fact that his shots are big in terms of EV, but it also increases the space on the floor for Tim and Tony. If you help off Danny Green, he will move to get open. People don't think of that as a skill, but it's an aspect of basketball intelligence where DG excels.

I'm not opposed to signing Evans, and I can see debate on who to sign between going extra big man(Millsap) and extra wing(Iggy, Evans) with Cap space. I think he has the skills to be a positive contributor in the right system(Alongside shooters where he is the primary ballhandler). But Danny Greens net value is going to be better than any logical expectation of Tyreke's.

[coachmac87]

Yes, he was. There've been threads on the this very forum dedicated to the fact that he added an off-dribble pull-up this season. He does it a couple of times on the video right above your post. Green spots up mostly because that's what he's supposed to do when he's next to Parker. But he also had a pretty healthy screen game, as he showed off against the Warriors.

Now can he get better at those things? Of course. He should become a lot more consistent in all of his offense inside the three-point line. He showed flashes during the Golden State series of having a complete offensive game. I imagine that's what he'll come back with in October.

If you want to trade him for Evans, that's your opinion. But to think that Evans can do what Green did or that Evans without Green makes the Spurs a better team is just not something I can agree with. Having Tyreke over Danny in Game 7 might have resulted in a Spurs victory, but the team would not have been anywhere near closing out the Finals had Evans replaced Green throughout the playoffs. Unless you can get someone who can do what Green did (which is really hard, since Green set a record in the Finals, and he stopped Lebron more in seven games than anyone else has ever stopped him without fouling), I don't believe the Spurs would be better.

Green can't shoot off the dribble. Please try and prove me wrong.

[Chinook]

Green can't shoot off the dribble. Please try and prove me wrong.

I don't have to. I already said he does it a couple of times in the video posted in this thread. You can search for threads about Green adding a shot off the dribble if you want. They're on here, and the most-recent one was right after Game 5.

EDIT: I was wrong about which video was posted in this thread. This is the video I meant:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3JSWmM8F9E

[HI-FI]

They might (probably) not. But what I'm saying is that the money they use to chase him isn't really the same money they're going to use to re-sign Splitter or to chase another big. That money is coming from Ginobili taking a pay cut. If Manu's pay cut is not small enough, then the Spurs may be left with pretty much just the MLE (that much in cap space) and room exception to improve.

so you're saying Ginobili's next contract could fuck us over like the previous one? what is a reasonable amount for Manu?

[TheGoldStandard]

so you're saying Ginobili's next contract could fuck us over like the previous one? what is a reasonable amount for Manu?

I've said vet minimum, he's made far enough money to be satisfied for a career after playing, plus he could always take a front office job. Vet min is around 1.4 but I'd offer him at least 2 with some incentives.. Maybe, less than 100 turnovers in the season he gets something.

[coachmac87]

I don't have to. I already said he does it a couple of times in the video posted in this thread. You can search for threads about Green adding a shot off the dribble if you want. They're on here, and the most-recent one was right after Game 5.

Lol. Seriously? That video was Danny breaking the record on once again a catch and shoot. And he can't shoot off the dribble...you're the only one saying such a thing. Those terrible attempts at floaters doesn't count. I'm talking shooting lol. You know kinda like Gary Neal, Tony Parker...

I guess we can agree to disagree. I like Danny and he's a great shooter..but he's an extremely limited player.

[HI-FI]

I've said vet minimum, he's made far enough money to be satisfied for a career after playing, plus he could always take a front office job. Vet min is around 1.4 but I'd offer him at least 2 with some incentives.. Maybe, less than 100 turnovers in the season he gets something.

He and his people would probably feel insulted with that number. I just hope this next contract gives us a chance for Duncan getting another ring, I feel that Ginobili's last contract really came back to haunt us in that regard. I had problems with that contract, not because I foresaw this Finals debacle, but because I thought it was too much for a guy who was becoming more unreliable with injuries. Ultimately, a player who is popular will always be overpaid, unfortunately.

[Chinook]

so you're saying Ginobili's next contract could fuck us over like the previous one? what is a reasonable amount for Manu?

Well despite what some people are saying, Ginobili's stats still put him in line for about a $20M/3 deal. That's what he's worth, but that's not necessarily what he's in line to make. Duncan is still worth $20 Million a year, even though he only makes half that, so anything between $3-5 Million a year is fair. If Ginobili is willing to go on the lower end of that, why not take the room exception, which pays almost as much, but frees up $3 Million in cap space? I imagine that's the only way the Spurs land a big free agent, as they have less than $11 Million to split between Ginobili and a free agent if Manu doesn't take the exception (provided Bonner is waived and not amnestied). I wouldn't be surprised to see Ginobili get a deal on the higher end, which leaves pretty much the "MLE" and room exception to improve the roster.


I've said vet minimum, he's made far enough money to be satisfied for a career after playing, plus he could always take a front office job. Vet min is around 1.4 but I'd offer him at least 2 with some incentives.. Maybe, less than 100 turnovers in the season he gets something.

The problem there is offering Ginobili a two-year minimum deal actually cuts into the cap space by a sizable about. The Spurs can't use the minimum-salary exception with a two-year deal, and the league won't pay some of the cost like they will with a one-year deal. May as well just use the room exception (about $5.5M/2) and be done with it.

[Chinook]

Lol. Seriously? That video was Danny breaking the record on once again a catch and shoot. And he can't shoot off the dribble...you're the only one saying such a thing. Those terrible attempts at floaters doesn't count. I'm talking shooting lol. You know kinda like Gary Neal, Tony Parker...

I guess we can agree to disagree. I like Danny and he's a great shooter..but he's an extremely limited player.

Did you see the edit? He made three off-dribble threes in the series: one in Game 3, Game 6 and Game 7. You're the only one who thinks he can't hit a three from off the dribble. And he can also hit a two from off the dribble (pull-ups). You just have the last two games of the Finals stuck in your head. Go back and look at his Warriors series.

[coachmac87]

I don't have to. I already said he does it a couple of times in the video posted in this thread. You can search for threads about Green adding a shot off the dribble if you want. They're on here, and the most-recent one was right after Game 5.

EDIT: I was wrong about which video was posted in this thread. This is the video I meant:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3JSWmM8F9E

Out of the 25+ 3's he made. He had 2 where he took ONE dribble. Your proving my point bro. He's a catch and shoot.

Stop making this kid out to being something he's not

[coachmac87]

If he could really truly shoot off the dribble. They'd set more picks on his man and he'd turn that corner and raise up..but he can't do it with confidence because he struggles putting the ball on the floor in general..

C'mon man. You can't say oooohh he made 3 out of 30 3's off of one dribble...see I told you so...smh GTFO! Hahahahaha

[palangi]

You didn't watch what happened when Manu was asked to shoot and not create did you?
You're thinking of a couple years ago. many was terrible in the playoffs this year. wether creating or just shooting. he had one good game in the finals and one ok game. he was absolutely terrible in the rest.

[Chinook]

If he could really truly shoot off the dribble. They'd set more picks on his man and he'd turn that corner and raise up..but he can't do it with confidence because he struggles putting the ball on the floor in general..

C'mon man. You can't say oooohh he made 3 out of 30 3's off of one dribble...see I told you so...smh GTFO! Hahahahaha

That doesn't make sense. You're saying that because they don't run more of the offense through him, he's unable to make more shots than he takes? What about Leonard in the post? He's also very good at scoring from there, but Pop almost never called plays for it. Green's supposed to hit spot-up threes, just like Leonard. Kawhi is better at driving when he doesn't get a good shot, and Green is better at getting open, so he didn't have to drive as much. In general Green has hit off the dribble pretty reliably. But if Danny just walked down the court and jacked up a three with 20 seconds left on the shot clock, Pop would pull him out.

You're suffering from confirmation bias. Green can shoot off the dribble, but because you don't believe he can, you forget the times he does. In actuality, Green shot an above-average percentage from two last season. But I bet you wouldn't have guessed that.

[coachmac87]

That doesn't make sense. You're saying that because they don't run more of the offense through him, he's unable to make more shots than he takes? What about Leonard in the post? He's also very good at scoring from there, but Pop almost never called plays for it. Green's supposed to hit spot-up threes, just like Leonard. Kawhi is better at driving when he doesn't get a good shot, but Green has hit off the dribble pretty reliably. But if Danny just walked down the court and jacked up a three with 20 seconds left on the shot clock, Pop would pull him out.


You're suffering from confirmation bias. Green can shoot off the dribble, but because you don't believe he can, you forget the times he does. In actuality, Green shot an above-average percentage from two last season. But I bet you wouldn't have guessed that.

Should I honestly start a poll to prove my point??? I think you'd be surprised by the results lol

[Chinook]

Should I honestly start a poll to prove my point??? I think you'd be surprised by the results lol

What would that prove? At best (for your side) that people with horrible confirmation bias would be more vocal than people who actually remember what happened. Green shot 48 percent from two last season. The average shooting-guard shot 46.9 percent, while the average small-forward shot 47.2 percent. So according to the numbers, Green was better inside the arch than most wings were, but I bet if I didn't tell you think, you'd've sworn up and down and laughed condescendingly at me for saying he can score inside the arch.

So start the poll if you want. It's not going to change the fact that you're suffering from confirmation bias. It's not your fault--it's not that you don't want to admit you're wrong; it's that you subconsciously blanked out so much that you honestly don't KNOW you're wrong.

[ElNono]

He and his people would probably feel insulted with that number.

I don't even think it's that. I don't think the FO will lowball him like that *IF* they really think he's still valuable to this team and want him back. The only scenario where I see the Spurs offering him the vet min, is where the Spurs don't really want him back, but as a gesture to his desire to keep playing and retire as a Spur, they tend that offer. As DPG said, if the Spurs do want him back and he resigns for anything under $5m/season, you have to commend the guy for giving the team a discount.

[apalisoc_9]

I wouldnt trade danny green for 2 tyrke evens.

OP:lol

Danny is one of the better defenders in the league and one of the best three pointers in the league. He's doing his role perfectly.

[apalisoc_9]

That doesn't make sense. You're saying that because they don't run more of the offense through him, he's unable to make more shots than he takes? What about Leonard in the post? He's also very good at scoring from there, but Pop almost never called plays for it. Green's supposed to hit spot-up threes, just like Leonard. Kawhi is better at driving when he doesn't get a good shot, and Green is better at getting open, so he didn't have to drive as much. In general Green has hit off the dribble pretty reliably. But if Danny just walked down the court and jacked up a three with 20 seconds left on the shot clock, Pop would pull him out.

You're suffering from confirmation bias. Green can shoot off the dribble, but because you don't believe he can, you forget the times he does. In actuality, Green shot an above-average percentage from two last season. But I bet you wouldn't have guessed that.


You two probably have a bit of a misunderstanding with " Danny can/can't shoot of the dribble". You'd be surprised but a lot of people seem to think shooting of the dribble would mean a lot of dirbbling after a pick or screen or attacking the basket then making a move to find a shot. Obviously Danny can't do those.

[Chinook]

I wouldnt trade danny green for 2 tyrke evens.

OP:lol

Danny is one of the better defenders in the league and one of the best three pointers in the league. He's doing his role perfectly.

So I see that CoG and CoL are going to get along better than CoP and CoM did. :lol

[coachmac87]

What would that prove? At best (for your side) that people with horrible confirmation bias would be more vocal than people who actually remember what happened. Green shot 48 percent from two last season. The average shooting-guard shot 46.9 percent, while the average small-forward shot 47.2 percent. So according to the numbers, Green has better inside the arch than most wings were, but I bet if I didn't tell you think, you'd've sworn up and down and laughed condescendingly at me for saying he can score inside the arch.


So start the poll if you want. It's not going to change the fact that you're suffering from confirmation bias. It's not your fault--it's not that you don't want to admit you're wrong; it's that you subconsciously blanked out so much that you honestly don't KNOW you're wrong.

How am I wrong?

Green shot 48% on 2's buy on how many attempts?? And since your going off of fg% I guess your saying he's a better 2pt shooter then 3? Lol

This argument is over. Go Spurs Go

[Chinook]

You two probably have a bit of a misunderstanding with " Danny can/can't shoot of the dribble". You'd be surprised but a lot of people seem to think shooting of the dribble would mean a lot of dirbbling after a pick or screen or attacking the basket then making a move to find a shot. Obviously Danny can't do those.

Or at least shouldn't do it. Pop would kill him if he held the ball for more than five seconds. I think we can all agree that a Green step-back may be the least-desirable shot for the whole roster. It would be awesome if he changes that, though. But I'll settle for just being able to have confidence at a Green floater won't clank off the rim every time he shoots it.

[Chinook]

How am I wrong?

Green shot 48% on 2's buy on how many attempts?? And since your going off of fg% I guess your saying he's a better 2pt shooter then 3? Lol

This argument is over. Go Spurs Go

It's not an argument. It's literally one guy showing evidence and another acting like a child laughing and saying "I know what I see, lol." It's embarrassing for me to have even wasted this much time talking about it. When push comes to shove, you should stick to game threads or something. Maybe that way, you won't forget what's happened by the time you give your opinion.

[apalisoc_9]

Or at least shouldn't do it. Pop would kill him if he held the ball for more than five seconds. I think we can all agree that a Green step-back may be the least-desirable shot for the whole roster. It would be awesome if he changes that, though. But I'll settle for just being able to have confidence at a Green floater won't clank off the rim every time he shoots it.

Disagree with the floater. Green is a terrible dribbler, a floater needs a good bounce or two to get a perfect float.

He needs to learn how to dribble and shoot an 18 footer. He probably already has the skills to do it, but decides to move back or pass the ball even after a fake.

[HI-FI]

I don't even think it's that. I don't think the FO will lowball him like that *IF* they really think he's still valuable to this team and want him back. The only scenario where I see the Spurs offering him the vet min, is where the Spurs don't really want him back, but as a gesture to his desire to keep playing and retire as a Spur, they tend that offer. As DPG said, if the Spurs do want him back and he resigns for anything under $5m/season, you have to commend the guy for giving the team a discount.
I would commend him for that amount. I have a soft spot for Manu, even if there are some things that piss me off. As I've said all along, if his heart is still into it and he wants another shot to redeem himself, then I want him back. Nothing will ever make that game 6 go away, but perhaps he can still contribute in a very meaningful way without taking money from a more reliable option. $5 million or less would be really good imo.

[Chinook]

Disagree with the floater. Green is a terrible dribbler, a floater needs a good bounce or two to get a perfect float.

He needs to learn how to dribble and shoot an 18 footer. He probably already has the skills to do it, but decides to move back or pass the ball even after a fake.

He's actually not bad from mid-range. During the regular season, the team actually would run a version of the loop where Green would get a 17-footer off a couple of screens. They tried it once against Miami, and it failed. In general, Green was actually good at shooting a pull-up mid-range shot after being run off the three-point line. He was just all out of sync against Miami.

I think all of the elements of a good inside game are already there with Green. It's all about becoming more consistent. He managed to do what with threes this past season. If he can do that with twos it would be great.

Totally agree about dribbling, though. That's really holding him back. He seems to have regressed there, as he was better at doing that his first year with the Spurs.

[apalisoc_9]

How am I wrong?

Green shot 48% on 2's buy on how many attempts?? And since your going off of fg% I guess your saying he's a better 2pt shooter then 3? Lol

This argument is over. Go Spurs Go

Actually Green needs to learn how dribble and maybe shoot an 18 footer. Good defenders can gather themsevels again and contest a three again after a fake..You don't want game 6 and 7 to happen again. I can assure you if danny had some sort of confidence with his dribble and shoot inside, Miami would not have dared him.

[apalisoc_9]

He's actually not bad from mid-range. During the regular season, the team actually would run a version of the loop where Green would get a 17-footer off a couple of screens. They tried it once against Miami, and it failed. In general, Green was actually good at shooting a pull-up mid-range shot after being run off the three-point line. He was just all out of sync against Miami.

I think all of the elements of a good inside game are already there with Green. It's all about becoming more consistent. He managed to do what with threes this past season. If he can do that with twos it would be great.

Totally agree about dribbling, though. That's really holding him back. He seems to have regressed there, as he was better at doing that his first year with the Spurs.

yeah I noticed that. It just that he donest do it on a consistent basis for me to believe that he can do it against a great defensive team that can help as fast as Miami..

I've seen him do it for sure, but more often, he passes or just moves to shoot another three. You can't do that against defenders that can gather themselves quickly even after a fake.

[Chinook]

yeah I noticed that. It just that he donest do it on a consistent basis for me to believe that he can do it against a great defensive team that can help as fast as Miami..

I've seen him do it for sure, but more often, he passes or just moves to shoot another three. You can't do that against defenders that can gather themselves quickly even after a fake.

http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Danny+Green

I don't know if this is what you were looking at, but I found it pretty interesting. He was average in mid-range shots, but below average from close (including 31 percent from 3-9 feet). He needs to find a way to finish, and from the stats, he needs to either abandon the floater, or work tirelessly at it. Right now, he may as well just throw the ball out of bounds.

It's clear what he needs to work on this summer. I think that he deserves the opportunity to improve his game before people want to say he's reached his ceiling.

[therealtruth]

yeah I noticed that. It just that he donest do it on a consistent basis for me to believe that he can do it against a great defensive team that can help as fast as Miami..

I've seen him do it for sure, but more often, he passes or just moves to shoot another three. You can't do that against defenders that can gather themselves quickly even after a fake.

That's the one thing that frustrates me during the season. The Spurs don't prepare enough measures for how to generate offense when they face a good defensive team. The only way to really counter that is for every guy to be a threat to pass/score of the dribble.

[coachmac87]

It's not an argument. It's literally one guy showing evidence and another acting like a child laughing and saying "I know what I see, lol." It's embarrassing for me to have even wasted this much time talking about it. When push comes to shove, you should stick to game threads or something. Maybe that way, you won't forget what's happened by the time you give your opinion.

Look you're the one posting videos and "stats" trying to help your case. And it hasn't....and then you come up with crap saying pop doesn't him dribbling around?? Danny doesn't want to dribble because he can't. He took 1 dribble on 3 shots out of 25+. How many 2's did Danny take this year? Stop trying to convince yourself.

Why can't you admit he's just a great catch and shoot player??

[Chinook]

Look you're the one posting videos and "stats" trying to help your case. And it hasn't....and then you come up with crap saying pop doesn't him dribbling around?? Danny doesn't want to dribble because he can't. He took 1 dribble on 3 shots out of 25+. How many 2's did Danny take this year? Stop trying to convince yourself.

Why can't you admit he's just a great catch and shoot player??

He took 240 two-pointers. The average player took 269. In case you don't realize it, that means he took enough to be within the confidence interval. So his percentage is not inflated.

No one said Green was a good dribbler. That's different than him being able to shoot off the dribble. He can do that when he doesn't dribble into traffic. For example, his long-twos were only half-assisted (which is below league average). By definition, he had to shoot those off the dribble.

Again, you just seem to have a view of Green that numbers can't change. Green has his limits offensively, but a big reason why he doesn't push them is because he plays next to a ball-dominating guard. If Green dribbles the ball around for 10 seconds and then jacks up a three, Pop would get mad at him. He benched Green a couple of times this past season for doing that exact thing. If Green didn't make bad decisions with the ball when he put it on the floor for an extended period of time, Pop probably would give him more slack, but the offense would be hurt if he took the ball away from Parker as much as he'd need to to make you feel comfortable about his ability to get his own shot.

[hyhy]

I really hope that the Spurs are interested in him. I'd love to have him on this squad. Been thinking about it and he'd be a great fit imo. A PG/SG who can create his own shot and break you down off the dribble. Would be a great replacement to Manu imo, and would take some of the burden off him as well.

I know he's been labeled a selfish player, but he's young (only 23) and playing for a terrible team. I think the Spurs would make him a much better and more efficient player, and he would make us a better team. I'd rather have him over Iguodala tbh. Not only because he's cheaper, but because he's a slightly better fit imo. We need a creator, and that's what he is. He can shoot the 3 too.

He's a RFA though.. and the Kings would likely match any offer unless it was a ridiculous one unfortunately.


And to those who think he's overrated or can't ball, watch his game tape. He's legit. And this is on a shitty Kings squad. Imagine him with the Spurs.

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Watched the video and the first thing that came to my mind was - "Wow, this guy travels more than lebron"

[dg7md]

Probably, tbh. Green is a great shooter but is made a lot better by our system.

[hater]

in less than a millisecond. is this fucking thread serious??

Green is a 1 trick Pony

[jiggy_55]

I repeat: OJ Mayo. The Spurs should look at the possibility of signing him. Shouldn't demand much money and can play the 2/3. Can attack the rim, shoot the long ball (40.7% this season), and is a good overall player.

[Baam]

in less than a millisecond. is this fucking thread serious??

Green is a 1 trick Pony

Problem is Evans doesn't know that trick.

If you trade Green it's for either a shooter who start next to TP or it's for another position and then you can sign someone like Mayo or Redick.

I like Tiago + Green for Batum who can play well off the ball and won't get in the way but then again how much does that really help if at all...

Or Green for a PF like Tristan Thompson whose future on the Cavs doesn't appear very certain... He has a good relationship Cojo as well.

Green for Thompson and Karasev?

[justinandimcool]

:lol overpaying for shooters like Redick and Mayo that can't guard anyone. Yeah, I'm not giving up Green for that.

Green is great but you can replace his system-enriched shooting with cheap talent. You'll miss his defensive services but you easily give that up for someone like Evans.

Evans is All-NBA team talent hampered by a shitsville organization. Yeah, I'll take him for the guy who fumbles the ball away every time he takes two dribbles.

[exstatic]

I repeat: OJ Mayo. The Spurs should look at the possibility of signing him. Shouldn't demand much money and can play the 2/3. Can attack the rim, shoot the long ball (40.7% this season), and is a good overall player.

Don't get fooled by the highlights. The NBA average for the player PER stat is 15. In five years, Mayo hit that mark exactly once, on the dot at 15.0, in 2011-2012. The rest of the time, he was below average.

He's not that good in a team scheme, or for a team that prizes efficiency.

A PER of 18.0 is considered borderline All Star talent. Tyreke Evans has hit that mark twice in 4 years.

[look_at_g_shred]

Don't get fooled by the highlights. The NBA average for the player PER stat is 15. In five years, Mayo hit that mark exactly once, on the dot at 15.0, in 2011-2012. The rest of the time, he was below average.

He's not that good in a team scheme, or for a team that prizes efficiency.

A PER of 18.0 is considered borderline All Star talent. Tyreke Evans has hit that mark twice in 4 years.
Just out of curiosity, what is Leonard's PER?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Just out of curiosity, what is Leonard's PER?

16.4 in the regular season, 18.9 in the playoffs.

[CGD]

Tough question just because of Green's important role in this big-three dominated system. If the Spurs where rebuilding tomorrow, I would say yes (no questions about it), but since they are looking to make one more push then I think Green is too key cog. Evan's would be awesome off the bench in the 2012 James Harden role.

[Juggity]

Tyreke has done nothing but decline since rookie year. Green has done nothing but improve

[J_Paco]

I've liked Tyreke Evans since he's gotten in the league, but people have to realize that he's a flawed player that needs plenty of work on his game. He and John Wall famously spend a lot of time during the summer months playing pro-am tournaments, while apparently not working on their biggest flaw (shooting). He also hasn't really improved since coming into the league, while playing what essentially is the weakest position in the NBA. Here is a great article about him that breaks down the issues with him and why (IMO) he'd be a big gamble if the Spurs chose him over Green:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/blogs/nba-point-forward/2012/09/05/tyreke-evans-sacramento-kings-keith-smart/index.html

[CGD]

Yup Evans has his flaws, but that's why he's not going to command James Harden money (approx 13-14M next year). Is he worth 9M? I think so, the upside is there plus he is already an elite defender (as the article mentions).

[Chinook]

Green is great but you can replace his system-enriched shooting with cheap talent. You'll miss his defensive services but you easily give that up for someone like Evans.

We should be clear on this: Green's shooting talent is his own. His production comes from the system. There's a reason why he's fourth in active career three-point percentage. His shooting as a two-guard is no more replaceable than Bonner's is a stretch-four.

Shooters get paid a lot of money for a reason: It's not a skill that can be replaced with cheap talent very easily. The Spurs have taken risks to try to get cheap shooting, and for the most part, they've worked out for at least a little while with Neal and Mason. But they've also busted with players like Anderson, Turkoglu, Simmons and Hairston. I'm not saying Green's untouchable. I am saying that you can't trade him without knowing exactly how to replace him. If the Spurs mess that up and get another Keith Bogans, then the team has a very strong chance to be worse this season, Evans or no Evans.

[Chinook]

Tyreke has done nothing but decline since rookie year. Green has done nothing but improve

I actually think that Evans' game as moved from starter to sixth man over the last three years (increased efficiency, decreased volume, consistent over fewer minutes). He'd probably be the best sixth man in the league in the Spurs' system. But he'd also be a lateral move at best in the starting lineup.

[benefactor]

I've liked Tyreke Evans since he's gotten in the league, but people have to realize that he's a flawed player that needs plenty of work on his game. He and John Wall famously spend a lot of time during the summer months playing pro-am tournaments, while apparently not working on their biggest flaw (shooting). He also hasn't really improved since coming into the league, while playing what essentially is the weakest position in the NBA. Here is a great article about him that breaks down the issues with him and why (IMO) he'd be a big gamble if the Spurs chose him over Green:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/blogs/nba-point-forward/2012/09/05/tyreke-evans-sacramento-kings-keith-smart/index.html
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"Hi. I work here."

[raybies]

Should mention to those WHO say hes declined. While his ppg has declined each year since his rookie season so has his mpg each year. He actually had career highs in fgp and 3 point fgp last year.

[J_Paco]

http://www.palisadespost.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Chip-Engelland-228x300.jpg

"Hi. I work here."


Chip is that dude, for sure, but he can't fix every player's flaws in their mechanics. I'd really like Tyreke on our team, but not at the expense of Green or Ginobili.

[spurspokesman]

This kid has handles and playmaking ability. Green is terrible if you take away his shot.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Chip is that dude, for sure, but he can't fix every player's flaws in their mechanics. I'd really like Tyreke on our team, but not at the expense of Green or Ginobili.

It's very possible to have them all though.

[exstatic]

Tyreke has done nothing but decline since rookie year. Green has done nothing but improve

Nope. Tyreke hit a slump, but came back, big time, last year. His PER stat by years: 18.2, 14.4, 16.4, 18.1

Danny Green will never be anything but a 3 and D guy. If you run him off the line, he's useless. He definitely has a function on this team, but if he's ever more than your 4th best player, you're going in to the lottery.

Tyreke Evans is 23, and could still turn into something very special, maybe a #2 option on a good playoff team.

[exstatic]

Chip is that dude, for sure, but he can't fix every player's flaws in their mechanics. I'd really like Tyreke on our team, but not at the expense of Green or Ginobili.

Can you name a Spur who's shot he's failed to fix, or are you just taking a position on Chip because his fixing Tyreke's shot blows large holes in your arguments against picking him up?

[BatManu20]

I repeat: OJ Mayo. The Spurs should look at the possibility of signing him. Shouldn't demand much money and can play the 2/3. Can attack the rim, shoot the long ball (40.7% this season), and is a good overall player.

Mayo at the 3 would be a huge defensive liability.. he's only 6'4". ANd not all that athletic. I'd rather spend money on 'Reke.

[J_Paco]

Can you name a Spur who's shot he's failed to fix, or are you just taking a position on Chip because his fixing Tyreke's shot blows large holes in your arguments against picking him up?

Huh? Never said that I didn't want 'Reke, just not at the expense of losing Manu or Green. I'd take him in a heart beat if we could get him and keep those two players. That isn't what the OP and most of the comments in the thread were proposing, though.

[Drom John]

Tyrek Evans, WS 4.4, WS/48 .105
Danny Green, WS 5.9, WS/48 .128

[look_at_g_shred]

Aminu please.

[coyotes_geek]

@sam_amick I've been told 4 years, approx $48 million on Evans' offer. @daldridgetnt has it at $44 million. Either way, doubt Kings would match either.

Definitely not giving up Green for Evans if this is what Evans' market is.

[therealtruth]

The trick for the Spurs is maintaining the shooting and defense while adding more playmaking. I think alot of the playmaking can come from internal development from Kawhi and Green.