Report: Spurs Express Interest in Monta Ellis

[Calispursfan11]

lol A ball stoping, 3 point chucking, no defense playing undersized 2 guard.

Ellis will not help the Spurs. Agree with your assessment. He's a chucker and ball hog of epic proportions.

[Bill_Brasky]

So I guess none of you bothered to look at those numbers?

The worst thing about Ellis isn't even his terrible shooting. What it is we'll get to later, but first:

TS%

Manu vs Monta

12/13: 560 vs 493
11/12: 668 vs 493 (518 for GS)
10/11: 581 vs 509
9/10: 584 vs 536

3 point shooting:

Monta is a career .318 three-point shooter vs Manu's .372 This season Monta Ellis shot a pathetic 28 pct attempting 3.8 per game, yes that's worse than Manu's 35 pct attempting 3.9.

Overall he performs this shooting damage (mostly to his own teams) averaging 16.4 field goal attempts during his career. Manu is at 10.6 and of course with a much better true shooting percentage.

Btw Ellis averages more than 3 turnovers per game 5 different seasons during his career. Including this one at 3.1.

oRTG (Offensive Rating, look it up!)

Manu vs Monta

12/13: 107 vs 101 (yes even this season he is better than Ellis)
11/12: 125 vs 101
10/11: 116 vs 107
09/10: 118 vs 99

Career: 115 vs 104

Out of that and dRTG (defensive rating) you can calculate an overall win% Ellis: 11/12: .495 10/11: .531 09/10: .471

If not for the widespread delusion here, it should be needless to say that Manu completely blows those numbers away with: .709, .677 and .705

How about some

PER:

Manu vs Monta

12/13: 19 vs 16.2
11/12: 24.1 vs 17.5
10/11: 21.7 vs 18.6
09/10: 22.5 vs 16.7

Yes there is some value in Ellis assists (though Manu ast% is usually better) but he dominates the ball and volume so much that with his well below league average shooting that his teams are often better with him off the floor.

Manu is a much better offensive player while Ellis does his worst damage to his own teams.

The worst thing about Ellis is actually harder to find in various stats. It's on the defensive end of things. Now obviously Manu also blows him away in defensive rating and in some of the new plus minus stats like RAPM (which for many years, killing the noise, has had Manu consistently as one of the best players in the league) but Ellis arms are so short that he can't guard any shooting guards and for him not to be a major liability you'd have to pair him with big PGs who can guard the other team's twos. The list of starting point guards he can be paired with is actually non existant and partnerships with Curry and Jennings were a disaster. Add that incurable problem to his offensive issues and the guy can arguably be unplayable. That is if you want to win basketball games.

Of course frustrations with Manu can be excused and is sometimes perfectly understandable, but when it's gotten to a point where whatever it is, ignorance, stupidity or lame internet-hate, has gotten so delusional that those very people think MONTA ELLIS of all people is a better basketball player than Ginobili and think a team would be better with Monta than Manu, then it's just inexcucable.

But here is to your delusions^^^^^^

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Most of that shit doesn't matter for two big reasons. 1: Manu wasn't 37 4 years ago, so his stats outside of last year don't mean a god damn thing. You can throw everything Manu did outside of last year right out the window because he isn't magically going to get several years younger for those stats to be relevant anymore.

Secondly, how bad Manu actually is is somewhat hidden by the fact that he's on a good team. Monta Ellis played for a shitty team which means his stats (percentages mostly, which is all you posted) are going to be worse because not only is the defense keyed on him but he has little help.

Manu is surrounded by good shooters and defensive gurus on a team with a great system where he doesn't even have to play very many minutes, and when he does it's against a shitty second unit most of the time. Ellis has only played for shitty teams. Offensive and defensive ratings, while nice, more reflect the team they're on than the player themselves. The Spurs as a team have an offensive ratings 5 points higher than the Bucks. Last year it was 6 1/2 points higher. With the Warriors, the Spurs had a 3 points higher offensive rating, but the team at least wasn't awful, which is why Ellis' offensive rating was higher with them.

Speaking of Manu's age and skill regression, notice how even the stats you cherry picked because those were the main (possibly only) stats that were in Manu's favor, all regressed to the lowest points in Manu's career since his first and second seasons. A trend which at best we can hope stops rather than continues.

Instead of cherry picking stats which benefit Manu, let's look at all of them.

Games missed since 2011:

Ginobili: 56Ellis: 6

Turnovers per 36 last year (Ellis plays more minutes, so this is more fair than per game stats):

Ginobili: 3.4
Ellis: 3.0

Minutes played, Ginobili/Ellis:

'10: 28.7 vs 41.4
'11: 30.3 vs 40.3
'12: 23.3 vs 36.6
'13: 23.2 vs 37.5

Btw, Ellis led the NBA in minutes in '10 and '11. Manu wasn't even close.


Turnover % Manu/Ellis:

'12: 16.3 vs 13.2
'13: 17.3 vs 13.7


Oh and Manu's playoff stats:

'12: 17.0 PER
'13: 16.5 PER


'12: 19.8 Turnover%
'13: 19.4 Turnover%

'11: 3.5 TOs/36
'12: 3.9 TOs/36
'13: 3.6 TOs/36

'11: 107 Offensive rating
'12: 106 Offensive rating
'13: 102 Offensive rating

Notice the trend of shittier PER, shittier offensive ratings, increased turnovers.


Yeah, so not only is it not out of the question to expect Manu to be even worse, but it's not out of the question to expect more from Ellis if he got to play in the cushy, king-like mid 20s minutes per game situation Manu has been in rather than have to be a fuckin 40+ minute per game workhorse for shitty teams running their offense and taking the brunt of the opposing team's defensive attention all game.

I'd happily take my chances with the 27 year old Ellis with huge room for improvement considering the great and much easier than what he's used to situation he'd be inheriting here, rather than an aging player who's nowhere near what he used to be and completely let his team and Spurs fans everywhere down in the Finals. Yes, he WAS great. Years ago. Now he isn't. Now he's steadily declining and openly talking about how he hates rehabbing and wants to hang it up.

Feel free to post more stats of years ago though. As if your argument is if we should trade current Ginobili for Ginobili from years ago. Anyone would, but it isn't a possibility. It's current shitty Manu, or take a shot on a 27 year old athletic player who can both easily take Manu's place or fill in for Parker should disaster strike.

Ellis adds more potential to the team. Definitely has holes in his game (bad defense for starters), but his offense and ballhandling aren't things I'm very concerned with. His efficiency would clearly go up if he got Manu's role, and at least he wouldn't have to guard stars for 40 minutes a game anymore.

Manu is just getting worse and played worse and worse as the postseason went on last year. PER went down, efficiency went down, GameScore went down (really far down), turnover% went up. Just about everything got worse and worse, until he finally sucked 5/7 games including a huge disaster game in game 6 which cost us the title.

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[spurraider21]

I have no alternate accounts... NONE... timvp (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) can confirm, tbh...

:lmao that was actually a necessary disclaimer after that juggernaut of a post

[dg7md]

I hope we get him, he'd be a better starter than Green, who has choked profusely in the playoffs the last two years.

[dylankerouac]

Most of that shit doesn't matter for two big reasons. 1: Manu wasn't 37 4 years ago, so his stats outside of last year don't mean a god damn thing. You can throw everything Manu did outside of last year right out the window because he isn't magically going to get several years younger for those stats to be relevant anymore.

Secondly, how bad Manu actually is is somewhat hidden by the fact that he's on a good team. Monta Ellis played for a shitty team which means his stats (percentages mostly, which is all you posted) are going to be worse because not only is the defense keyed on him but he has little help.

Manu is surrounded by good shooters and defensive gurus on a team with a great system where he doesn't even have to play very many minutes, and when he does it's against a shitty second unit most of the time. Ellis has only played for shitty teams. Offensive and defensive ratings, while nice, more reflect the team they're on than the player themselves. The Spurs as a team have an offensive ratings 5 points higher than the Bucks. Last year it was 6 1/2 points higher. With the Warriors, the Spurs had a 3 points higher offensive rating, but the team at least wasn't awful, which is why Ellis' offensive rating was higher with them.

Speaking of Manu's age and skill regression, notice how even the stats you cherry picked because those were the main (possibly only) stats that were in Manu's favor, all regressed to the lowest points in Manu's career since his first and second seasons. A trend which at best we can hope stops rather than continues.

Instead of cherry picking stats which benefit Manu, let's look at all of them.

Games missed since 2011:

Ginobili: 56Ellis: 6

Turnovers per 36 last year (Ellis plays more minutes, so this is more fair than per game stats):

Ginobili: 3.4
Ellis: 3.0

Minutes played, Ginobili/Ellis:

'10: 28.7 vs 41.4
'11: 30.3 vs 40.3
'12: 23.3 vs 36.6
'13: 23.2 vs 37.5

Btw, Ellis led the NBA in minutes in '10 and '11. Manu wasn't even close.


Turnover % Manu/Ellis:

'12: 16.3 vs 13.2
'13: 17.3 vs 13.7


Oh and Manu's playoff stats:

'12: 17.0 PER
'13: 16.5 PER


'12: 19.8 Turnover%
'13: 19.4 Turnover%

'11: 3.5 TOs/36
'12: 3.9 TOs/36
'13: 3.6 TOs/36

'11: 107 Offensive rating
'12: 106 Offensive rating
'13: 102 Offensive rating

Notice the trend of shittier PER, shittier offensive ratings, increased turnovers.


Yeah, so not only is it not out of the question to expect Manu to be even worse, but it's not out of the question to expect more from Ellis if he got to play in the cushy, king-like mid 20s minutes per game situation Manu has been in rather than have to be a fuckin 40+ minute per game workhorse for shitty teams running their offense and taking the brunt of the opposing team's defensive attention all game.

I'd happily take my chances with the 27 year old Ellis with huge room for improvement considering the great and much easier than what he's used to situation he'd be inheriting here, rather than an aging player who's nowhere near what he used to be and completely let his team and Spurs fans everywhere down in the Finals. Yes, he WAS great. Years ago. Now he isn't. Now he's steadily declining and openly talking about how he hates rehabbing and wants to hang it up.

Feel free to post more stats of years ago though. As if your argument is if we should trade current Ginobili for Ginobili from years ago. Anyone would, but it isn't a possibility. It's current shitty Manu, or take a shot on a 27 year old athletic player who can both easily take Manu's place or fill in for Parker should disaster strike.

Ellis adds more potential to the team. Definitely has holes in his game (bad defense for starters), but his offense and ballhandling aren't things I'm very concerned with. His efficiency would clearly go up if he got Manu's role, and at least he wouldn't have to guard stars for 40 minutes a game anymore.

Manu is just getting worse and played worse and worse as the postseason went on last year. PER went down, efficiency went down, GameScore went down (really far down), turnover% went up. Just about everything got worse and worse, until he finally sucked 5/7 games including a huge disaster game in game 6 which cost us the title.

Good post.

[dallasmaverickslose]

I really hope we pass on this scrub. Anyone who thinks that he'd make us better underestimating how inefficient of a player he is.

[Chinook]

I hope we get him, he'd be a better starter than Green, who has choked profusely in the playoffs the last two years.

:lol Good one.

[spurraider21]

monta ellis is a lower-middle class man's allen iverson. lets stop drooling over him. if we absolutely can't land anybody else and he is fine with playing a bench role, then shit, what choice do we have?

[dallasmaverickslose]

monta ellis is a lower-middle class man's allen iverson. lets stop drooling over him. if we absolutely can't land anybody else and he is fine with playing a bench role, then shit, what choice do we have?

Haha, A.I. is leaps and bound better than Monta Ellis. It's not even close.

[TheGreatYacht]

Most of that shit doesn't matter for two big reasons. 1: Manu wasn't 37 4 years ago, so his stats outside of last year don't mean a god damn thing. You can throw everything Manu did outside of last year right out the window because he isn't magically going to get several years younger for those stats to be relevant anymore.

Secondly, how bad Manu actually is is somewhat hidden by the fact that he's on a good team. Monta Ellis played for a shitty team which means his stats (percentages mostly, which is all you posted) are going to be worse because not only is the defense keyed on him but he has little help.

Manu is surrounded by good shooters and defensive gurus on a team with a great system where he doesn't even have to play very many minutes, and when he does it's against a shitty second unit most of the time. Ellis has only played for shitty teams. Offensive and defensive ratings, while nice, more reflect the team they're on than the player themselves. The Spurs as a team have an offensive ratings 5 points higher than the Bucks. Last year it was 6 1/2 points higher. With the Warriors, the Spurs had a 3 points higher offensive rating, but the team at least wasn't awful, which is why Ellis' offensive rating was higher with them.

Speaking of Manu's age and skill regression, notice how even the stats you cherry picked because those were the main (possibly only) stats that were in Manu's favor, all regressed to the lowest points in Manu's career since his first and second seasons. A trend which at best we can hope stops rather than continues.

Instead of cherry picking stats which benefit Manu, let's look at all of them.

Games missed since 2011:

Ginobili: 56Ellis: 6

Turnovers per 36 last year (Ellis plays more minutes, so this is more fair than per game stats):

Ginobili: 3.4
Ellis: 3.0

Minutes played, Ginobili/Ellis:

'10: 28.7 vs 41.4
'11: 30.3 vs 40.3
'12: 23.3 vs 36.6
'13: 23.2 vs 37.5

Btw, Ellis led the NBA in minutes in '10 and '11. Manu wasn't even close.


Turnover % Manu/Ellis:

'12: 16.3 vs 13.2
'13: 17.3 vs 13.7


Oh and Manu's playoff stats:

'12: 17.0 PER
'13: 16.5 PER


'12: 19.8 Turnover%
'13: 19.4 Turnover%

'11: 3.5 TOs/36
'12: 3.9 TOs/36
'13: 3.6 TOs/36

'11: 107 Offensive rating
'12: 106 Offensive rating
'13: 102 Offensive rating

Notice the trend of shittier PER, shittier offensive ratings, increased turnovers.


Yeah, so not only is it not out of the question to expect Manu to be even worse, but it's not out of the question to expect more from Ellis if he got to play in the cushy, king-like mid 20s minutes per game situation Manu has been in rather than have to be a fuckin 40+ minute per game workhorse for shitty teams running their offense and taking the brunt of the opposing team's defensive attention all game.

I'd happily take my chances with the 27 year old Ellis with huge room for improvement considering the great and much easier than what he's used to situation he'd be inheriting here, rather than an aging player who's nowhere near what he used to be and completely let his team and Spurs fans everywhere down in the Finals. Yes, he WAS great. Years ago. Now he isn't. Now he's steadily declining and openly talking about how he hates rehabbing and wants to hang it up.

Feel free to post more stats of years ago though. As if your argument is if we should trade current Ginobili for Ginobili from years ago. Anyone would, but it isn't a possibility. It's current shitty Manu, or take a shot on a 27 year old athletic player who can both easily take Manu's place or fill in for Parker should disaster strike.

Ellis adds more potential to the team. Definitely has holes in his game (bad defense for starters), but his offense and ballhandling aren't things I'm very concerned with. His efficiency would clearly go up if he got Manu's role, and at least he wouldn't have to guard stars for 40 minutes a game anymore.

Manu is just getting worse and played worse and worse as the postseason went on last year. PER went down, efficiency went down, GameScore went down (really far down), turnover% went up. Just about everything got worse and worse, until he finally sucked 5/7 games including a huge disaster game in game 6 which cost us the title.http://images.wikia.com/morph-society-4real/images/a/a9/Bravo_Bravo.gif


I'm sure someone wasted their time reading KiddK's post...but I've heard that shitty song one too many times to bother with listening againDenial mode.
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[tesseractive]

Ellis will not help the Spurs. Agree with your assessment. He's a chucker and ball hog of epic proportions.
There have been bad-team chuckers that have become effective role players on good teams before -- as long as they're willing to buy in. Basically, you give them the red light from spots on the floor where they suck, get them some open shots to increase their overall efficiency, and convince them to trust the pass instead of forcing a bad shot.

[dg7md]

Gary Neal is one of the most notorious chuckers in the NBA but he was actually a huge help for us in the Finals.

[rascal]

I wanna say lets get him just for the meltdowns I know for sure this board would be having after a Monta Ellis typical 6-20 FG
:rollin

He won't be getting that volume of shots.

[benefactor]

Denial mode.
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Keep quiet girl. Men are talking basketball.

[FireMicoHalili]

Redick > JR Swish > Ellis

[Leetonidas]

I hope we get him, he'd be a better starter than Green, who has choked profusely in the playoffs the last two years.

Green just set an NBA finals record, I would hardly call that choking. Just because a great defensive team decided a role player wasn't going to beat them doesn't mean he choked. Spurs would have never been up 3-2 without him

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

monta ellis is a lower-middle class man's allen iverson. lets stop drooling over him. if we absolutely can't land anybody else and he is fine with playing a bench role, then shit, what choice do we have?

I don't think anyone is drooling over him. I am not, I can tell you that. But the Spurs NEED another playmaker on this team PERIOD. I doubt there are going to get someone like Harden this offseason. Ellis, Evans, Mayo etc are guys I hope the Spurs at least looked at b/c the Spurs can't rely on just Parker to carry this team and create. He needs someone to help shoulder the load.

[kaji157]

To say the truth i prefer OJ Mayo.
Can really help sustain Manu in the team, and brings more to the table other than scoring.
Seems like a player we can build on, Monta not so much.

[Baam]

OJ Mayo can't play point next to Manu, this is very hard to find the right fit, it basically comes down to Tyreke Evans and Ellis.

[K-State Spur]

I'd happily take my chances with the 27 year old Ellis with huge room for improvement

He may only be 27, but he's also been in the league for 9 years. He is what he is at this point.

[Knoxxx]

The problem I have liking Eliis is mainly the potential asking price around $10 million. Jarret Jack seems like a more economical version for the Spurs' needs.

Mouth and Kid K, please run the same analysis for Jack.

[tim_duncan_fan]

We're not getting Monta Ellis or anyone else of note. We're coming back with the same team next year.

[Budkin]

Spurs will stay pat. Maybe give Bonner a contract extension but that's all.

[cd98]

Ellis will be too expensive for the Spurs. They desperately need someone that can adequately shoot, pass, and handle so that Parker can get more rest this year. They need a serious upgrade here and it is worth spending the money.

[dg7md]

Green just set an NBA finals record, I would hardly call that choking. Just because a great defensive team decided a role player wasn't going to beat them doesn't mean he choked. Spurs would have never been up 3-2 without him

Where was he when we actually needed his shooting in game 6 and 7? I'm not convinced making two shots in the last two games wasn't choking. He was open for quite a few shots in the last two games.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Where was he when we actually needed his shooting in game 6 and 7? I'm not convinced making two shots in the last two games wasn't choking. He was open for quite a few shots in the last two games.
Lol we needed his shooting in all the games

[024]

Where was he when we actually needed his shooting in game 6 and 7? I'm not convinced making two shots in the last two games wasn't choking. He was open for quite a few shots in the last two games.
Wtf? Green literally had the best 3 pt shooting in NBA finals history. There would have been no game 6 and 7 without his 3 pointers.

[ducks]

The New York Knicks are interested in Milwaukee Bucks shooting guard Monta Ellis, but the chances of landing him are slim, CBS Sports reported.
Ellis, 27, recently turned down a two-year extension from the Bucks that would have paid him $11 million per year. The Knicks only have a $3.2 million mid-level exception to spend due to the salary cap.
However, Ellis' agent Jeff Fried has indicated in the past that Ellis is willing to take less money to be on a contender. Also, the Knicks would have more money available if they lose free agent guard J.R. Smith.
The Chicago Bulls, Denver Nuggets and San Antonio Spurs are also reportedly interested in Ellis.
The Knicks acquired center Andrea Bargnani from the Toronto Raptors for Marcus Camby, Steve Novak and draft picks but the deal cannot be made official until July 10.
The Bucks have placed a priority on re-signing point guard Brandon Jennings. Also, the team may sign-and-trade unrestricted free agent J.J. Redick.

[King]

Where was he when we actually needed his shooting in game 6 and 7? I'm not convinced making two shots in the last two games wasn't choking. He was open for quite a few shots in the last two games.

So, they didn't need the shots in games 1-5, when they won so big because he made most of them?

[ihustle]

Let Manu walk, give me Monta Ellis. I mean, he cost us our 5th title. He was shit all playoffs except for 1 clutch 3 that was only clutch cause he made it that way with a previous shit ill advised 5 ft behind the line 3 pointer. Im seriously done with this clown, let him get the minutes he oh so needs as a player that cant give it up on a shit non playoff team.

[Kidd K]

The problem I have liking Eliis is mainly the potential asking price around $10 million. Jarret Jack seems like a more economical version for the Spurs' needs.

Mouth and Kid K, please run the same analysis for Jack.

Jack probably fits the bill even better because he's already used to the role Manu plays now, and plays it pretty well. The only difference really being that Jack is smaller and not used to the scoring load Monta and Manu are used to carrying.

He's the best ballhandler and playmaker of the three right now though. Best assist to turnover ratio anyway, and he's got some solid playoff experience to build on (we played against him this last season in the 2nd round).

He probably has the least potential of the three, but he's likely better than Manu at this point because of Manu's decline. You wouldn't lose much going from Manu to Jack except some size and the knowledge of the system. He's more a definite backup PG though than a defacto one, so we'd still need a SG. Which actually works if the Spurs decide to bring back Manu as well as bring in Jack. That'd probably be the best all around solution that nobody would bitch about.



I'm sure someone wasted their time reading KiddK's post...but I've heard that shitty song one too many times to bother with listening again

Doesn't mean much coming from you, one of the worst posters on the site.

[rascal]

We're not getting Monta Ellis or anyone else of note. We're coming back with the same team next year.

Not hard to predict this as this is what the Spurs do every year.

[spurraider21]

Not hard to predict this as this is what the Spurs do every year.

and yet in the other thread you said you expect AK to join...

[rascal]

and yet in the other thread you said you expect AK to join...

Won't be any type of difference maker. Over the hill white ugly game player. Of course the Spurs won't come back with the same exact roster but the same core rotation team.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

:lmao

Spurs aren't interested in Monta. Media circus is all this is.

[rascal]

Forget about Ellis. He is too good of an explosive scorer to land on the Spurs.

[Big P]

For what it's worth Larry coon the NBA cap guru (and 4 other writers) think Ellis is going to get MLE or right above the MLE.

Interesting article on what they think these 5 FA's should be paid.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-130703/what-top-nba-free-agents-worth

[Sean Cagney]

GRRRRRR
Spurs will stay pat. Maybe give Bonner a contract extension but that's all.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHMG, BONNER! Extension! SHOOT ME.

[Ice009]

For what it's worth Larry coon the NBA cap guru (and 4 other writers) think Ellis is going to get MLE or right above the MLE.

Interesting article on what they think these 5 FA's should be paid.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-130703/what-top-nba-free-agents-worth

I just looked at that page. That is very interesting. If Ellis is going to get that type of money, would you guys take him for MLE type money.

I'd be VERY interested in getting him at that price.

[Big P]

I know he doesn't play defense, but if we could get a dynamic scorer like that for 2 or 3 years at the MLE...it's a no brainer...I cringe every time we went/go on a scoreless streak of 3 to 5 minutes...it's inexcusable...Monte would cure those scoring droughts.

[Robz4000]

I honestly don't want him anywhere near the Spurs. If he's all that's left, though, I might settle for him.

[Big P]

I honestly don't want him anywhere near the Spurs. If he's all that's left, though, I might settle for him.

Why? What has he done? I think his main problem has been the systems he has been in....Pop's system would be perfect for him and I believe he has said that winning a championship is the most important thing right now...this might be his best chance.

[Leetonidas]

Mark my words, if Ellis comes to the Spurs and comes off the bench, he will win Sixth Man of the Year

[8FOR!3]

Mark my words, if Ellis comes to the Spurs and comes off the bench, he will win Sixth Man of the Year

Mark my words, he will sign for someone for over twice of what the Spurs can offer him.

[Leetonidas]

Talking heads seem to think he is going to get paid MLE money, and he already said he was willing to take a paycut because he wants to win. Spurs are the best shot he has

[8FOR!3]

Yeah you may be right. I think that's crazy though, the idea of a player like Ellis taking less money to play for a team like the Spurs. You just don't see that happen.

[Robz4000]

Why? What has he done? I think his main problem has been the systems he has been in....Pop's system would be perfect for him and I believe he has said that winning a championship is the most important thing right now...this might be his best chance.

He's an overpaid Gary Neal tbh. At least at this point Neal knows the system too.

[chrhawk]

All of a sudden Ellis is starting to sound like a good option for the full MLE. The Spurs need another shot creator/ball-handler to take the pressure off of Parker and Ginobili. And both of them will inevitably get injured at some point next season.

Ellis has his faults but if it's for full MLE and if that's what he's willing to accept, you could do a lot worse.

[ElNono]

Monta just walked away from 3/$33m... if all he can get is the MLE, expect him to come out with something to prove...

[tim_duncan_fan]

He's an overpaid Gary Neal tbh. At least at this point Neal knows the system too.

Neal can't dribble when someone is looking at him. That makes Ellis superior already. I don't think people give Pop enough credit. Monta Ellis wouldn't be out there just jacking shit when he could have the easiest time of his life scoring while being assisted by some of the most giving players the game has ever seen. He's probably no worse on D than Neal or Manu and I think Pop could have gotten more out of him on that side of the court as well.

Not that it matters. We're not getting Ellis or any other secondary or tertiary scorer. There will continue to be chaotic, eye-lacerating shitball whenever Parker is out of the game and we are playing a marginally athletic or defensively aggressive team.

[Big P]

The money will run out before the players...someone will be left holding the bag...I'm guessing the Spurs wind up with a nice player at the MLE.

[FkLA]

I would cream my pants if we signed Ellis tbh. Any new word on who is looking at him/who is he leaning towards ?

[FireMicoHalili]

moot

[BatManu20]

I would cream my pants if we signed Ellis tbh. Any new word on who is looking at him/who is he leaning towards ?

Can't afford him regardless.

[rascal]

Wtf? Green literally had the best 3 pt shooting in NBA finals history. There would have been no game 6 and 7 without his 3 pointers.

He can hit an open shot but like Miami showed put some pressure on him and he is worthless. Green does not take it to the basket so he can easily be guarded on the perimeter.

[DesignatedT]

He's an overpaid Gary Neal tbh. At least at this point Neal knows the system too.

Lol this is so stupid. He might not be a good fit here but he is 1000x better than Gary fucking Neal.

[Robz4000]

Lol this is so stupid. He might not be a good fit here but he is 1000x better than Gary fucking Neal.

:lmao

[Drom John]

"New Hawks coach Mike Budenholzer was a longtime assistant in San Antonio and he views Ellis as a point guard in the mold of Tony Parker, according to a source."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9463611/monta-ellis-pares-list-four-suitors

[timtonymanurich]

He just turned down a 3 year / $36m deal from the Bucks. How exactly do we afford him?


He bailed on Milwakee cuz aint NO ONE winning in Milwakee.

I'd bail from Milwakee.

[timtonymanurich]

STILL: Imagine TParks and Monta leading a fast break.... literally the two fastest players in the league? Adidas Crazyquick commercials be off da hook!

[TheGoldStandard]

"New Hawks coach Mike Budenholzer was a longtime assistant in San Antonio and he views Ellis as a point guard in the mold of Tony Parker, according to a source."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9463611/monta-ellis-pares-list-four-suitors

Coach Bud is not an idiot, some of the Hawks moves are questionable but there are some things that they will be doing right..

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Coach Bud is not an idiot, some of the Hawks moves are questionable but there are some things that they will be doing right..

No, he is not. Atl also expressed interest in Jennings. Could there be a 3 team trade where Neal and a pick goes to the Bucks, Ellis goes to the Spurs, and Atl gets Jennings and some other Spurs players.

I was hoping for the Spurs with Ellis coming off the bench at PG and Manu at SG. You could have Belinelli at SF, Diaw PF, and Baynes or Whoever coming in as backup C. Ellis is a combo guard so he could play both PG and play a few minutes at SG with Parker. Parker took a beating this past playoffs. The Spurs need someone to run the point effectively other than him this season and in the playoffs as well.

[TheGoldStandard]

No, he is not. Atl also expressed interest in Jennings. Could there be a 3 team trade where Neal and a pick goes to the Bucks, Ellis goes to the Spurs, and Atl gets Jennings and some other Spurs players.

I was hoping for the Spurs with Ellis coming off the bench at PG and Manu at SG. You could have Belinelli at SF, Diaw PF, and Baynes or Whoever coming in as backup C. Ellis is a combo guard so he could play both PG and play a few minutes at SG with Parker. Parker took a beating this past playoffs. The Spurs need someone to run the point effectively other than him this season and in the playoffs as well.

Ellis creating off the bench would make sense but so far the Spurs moves are not anything for vast improvement, they're just bringing cogs in and filling gaps. Spurs will probably just run with what they have now, for years they ran small at the Center/Power Forward position and now that the league has elite wings with size we're going to play small ball there too.

[Hoops Czar]

No, he is not. Atl also expressed interest in Jennings. Could there be a 3 team trade where Neal and a pick goes to the Bucks, Ellis goes to the Spurs, and Atl gets Jennings and some other Spurs players.

I was hoping for the Spurs with Ellis coming off the bench at PG and Manu at SG. You could have Belinelli at SF, Diaw PF, and Baynes or Whoever coming in as backup C. Ellis is a combo guard so he could play both PG and play a few minutes at SG with Parker. Parker took a beating this past playoffs. The Spurs need someone to run the point effectively other than him this season and in the playoffs as well.

Pretty absurd that you think Ellis will play backup to Tony Parker. And I suppose Ellis will be paid in cheerios. What exactly are you trippin on? Ellis won't stand for a backup role and he's out of the Spurs price range.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Ellis creating off the bench would make sense but so far the Spurs moves are not anything for vast improvement, they're just bringing cogs in and filling gaps. Spurs will probably just run with what they have now, for years they ran small at the Center/Power Forward position and now that the league has elite wings with size we're going to play small ball there too.

Jason Terry/JJ Barea combo killed back in 2011. Speed kills and if you have two of the quickest players in the league on your team, I can see a repeat of what Terry and Barea did together in the 2011 playoffs. I can see why Bud likes him, if you gave him the proper coaching and surround him with shooters (like his first couple of years in GS), he can be a highly efficient player. I doubt this trade happens, but it can be a likely scenario being that the first player the Spurs contacted was Ellis, Bucks expressed the most interest in Neal, and Atl contacting Bucks about Jennings and Ellis. Seems like all 3 have a connection.

[cd021]

No, he is not. Atl also expressed interest in Jennings. Could there be a 3 team trade where Neal and a pick goes to the Bucks, Ellis goes to the Spurs, and Atl gets Jennings and some other Spurs players.

I was hoping for the Spurs with Ellis coming off the bench at PG and Manu at SG. You could have Belinelli at SF, Diaw PF, and Baynes or Whoever coming in as backup C. Ellis is a combo guard so he could play both PG and play a few minutes at SG with Parker. Parker took a beating this past playoffs. The Spurs need someone to run the point effectively other than him this season and in the playoffs as well.

I get that Milwaukee isn't going to keep either Ellis or Jennings but getting back Neal and a pick for two dynamic offensive players would be pretty bad even by S&T standards. I like the idea of Ellis on the Spurs but its just not neccicary. Joseph is a 3rd year player whose seen on consistent playing time in the playoffs. A long season of backup assignments should yield much better result than Ellis.


Also Manu and Ellis would be an very odd pairing. Both need the ball to be effective for the most part.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I get that Milwaukee isn't going to keep either Ellis or Jennings but getting back Neal and a pick for two dynamic offensive players would be pretty bad even by S&T standards. I like the idea of Ellis on the Spurs but its just not neccicary. Joseph is a 3rd year player whose seen on consistent playing time in the playoffs. A long season of backup assignments should yield much better result than Ellis.


Also Manu and Ellis would be an very odd pairing. Both need the ball to be effective for the most part.

Bucks would get Teague from Atl to be their starting PG. They are going to lose Ellis or Jennings getting a pick, Neal and Teague would be a good trade for the Bucks. They get their backup SG and shooter they are desperately needing off the bench and a pick in next year's draft. Atl gets Jennings and a combination of either Bonner/Mills/De Colo/CoJo, which they are still missing alot of bench pieces. Spurs get Ellis.

Manu wouldn't be a bad pairing with Ellis. One thing I notice, especially in the playoffs, Manu didn't drive to the hoop at all at times and seemed content to defer the ball rather than be aggressive. Playing with Ellis would allow Manu to be a spot up shooter more and b/c of the openings Ellis creates with his drives and penetration, it would allow Manu more room to drive to the hoop with less abuse.

This trade would be great for all 3 teams IF it did happen.

[BatManu20]

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[Spur|n|Austin]

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Good, now FkLA can change his avatar, tbh.

[cd98]

No way we could get Ellis unless it was a Kirilenko/Nets type of deal.

[Budkin]

Oh well

[cd98]

Monte going to Nets at veteran's minimum.

[Bruno]

Mavs and Spurs trying to build all guards teams. :rolleyes

[Spur|n|Austin]

Monte going to Nets at veteran's minimum.

It's MontA people, he's not mountain.

[spurraider21]

how many of the league's elite teams have elite centers?

[Kindergarten Cop]

how many of the league's elite teams have elite centers?

I think you could just as well say "How many ELITE centers are there in the NBA?".

[spurraider21]

I think you could just as well say "How many ELITE centers are there in the NBA?".

yep. its shocking how few centers you can name before you inevitably get to Marc Gasol, and we saw how he looked in WCF

[Kindergarten Cop]

yep. its shocking how few centers you can name before you inevitably get to Marc Gasol, and we saw how he looked in WCF

What's more shocking is that arguably the two best centers in the league are coming off of varying injuries - potentially devaluing the term "elite" even more.

[FkLA]

Good, now FkLA (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17213) can change his avatar, tbh.

Had a dream last night that we signed Monta. Was going to log on to ST to rub it in your face, then I woke up. :depressed