ESPN Stein: Spurs have AK47 in their sights

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)One of the teams that troubles Minnesota in Wolves' bid to retain Andrei Kirilenko: San Antonio. I'm told Spurs have AK-47 in their sights

[jsandiego]

This would be interesting.

[ducks]

THAT IS WHO I WANT
no one else is linked to him

[BatManu20]

Yep. He declined a $10 million option with Minny though... how much is he looking to get paid?

Also, let's not forget this is not the AK47 from 2004.. This is 32 year old Kirlilenko who has injury problems. Still a solid role player off the bench, especially in the right situation, but I definitely don't hink this would suddenly "put us over the top." A lot comes down to asking $$. Would be a solid pickup at a reasonable price though.

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[SpursDynasty21]

Would he be a possible replacement for Splitter?

[timtonymanu]

Kirilenko would be a great pickup. Better than having Monta Ellis.

[loveforthegame]

Yes please. :tu

[Baam]

Consider it done, TP is good friend with him and he's basically assistant GM at this point.

[ducks]

Would he be a possible replacement for Splitter?

NO

[Holden_Caulfield]

then we amnesty bonner right? right?

[ace3g]

AK47 would be a "Heat" signing as well; perfect player to match up against the Heat.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

now we're talking...do it RC!

[ChumpDumper]

Trying to get contender discounts, apparently.

[Bruno]

:tu

He is my first option for Spurs in that free agency.

[ducks]

draw back is he does not shot the three well just 30%

[boutons_deux]

I dunno, AK hasn't done much in the past few years. Another guy well past his peak.

[ducks]

he can create IMO

[boutons_deux]

several years past his peak production

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrei_kirilenko/career_stats.html

[DesignatedT]

I dunno, AK hasn't done much in the past few years. Another guy well past his peak.

He was named Euroleague MVP two years ago during the lock-out season and had a great year in Minnesota last season.

[Baam]

several years past his peak production

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrei_kirilenko/career_stats.html

Best FG% of his career...

[Budkin]

I'm down.

[ace3g]

The big thing is he can guard multiple positions, something the Spurs need more of.

[DPG21920]

He's obviously not in his prime, but for the options available he is damn solid. His health concerns me more than his production in all honesty.

The other concern is what kind of contract? He opted out of 10M, so I can't imagine he's looking for anything lest than 20-24M guaranteed.

[heyheymymy]

the goods tbh, i believe ak47 still has alot left in the tank.

[Texas_Ranger]

finally some good news. I'd love Andrei on this team.

[RD2191]

Lame

[superbigtime]

oft injured 30-something emo euro.

[ducks]

4 years 24 million

[Jumi]

Yep!

[chrhawk]

AK47 would be a "Heat" signing as well; perfect player to match up against the Heat.

And the Warriors

[spurraider21]

YES

[ace3g]

He's obviously not in his prime, but for the options available he is damn solid. His health concerns me more than his production in all honesty.

The other concern is what kind of contract? He opted out of 10M, so I can't imagine he's looking for anything lest than 20-24M guaranteed.

He talks about what type of contract he is looking for here:

Henry Abbott @TrueHoop
(http://twitter.com/TrueHoop)Sounds like Andrei Kirilenko is happy in Minnesota; wants a three-year deal from a team with a chance to be good. bit.ly/14m5jvF (http://t.co/zYEJGXt4lX)

I posted it in think tank before the Stein tweet

[timtonymanu]

Lame

Who do you think is a better option, then?

[tim_duncan_fan]

I think you guys are wearing Pop's internationally-tinted glasses, tbh.

Can he get his own shot? Is he a great defender?

Seems like AK-47 was so 10 years ago. Are we after Memeht Okur, too?

[Leetonidas]

Fuck yeah, dude is versatile as fuck as has balls. Sign him up :tu

[jyra]

AK is also really good at cutting/moving without the ball. That should help against defenses that overplay the pick and roll.

[ernest787]

I've always been a big fan of AK 47. Him playing small ball 4 and backing up Kwai at the 3 would be great.

[Robz4000]

I'd be 100% ok with signing him. Fills both a bench-playmaking need and a solid vet back-up 3 for Leonard. Could also go small with him.

[Captivus]

This rumor seems strong.

[Raven]

please, please, please, please..
ma absolutely favourite non spurs player..

[Robz4000]

I think you guys are wearing Pop's internationally-tinted glasses, tbh.

Can he get his own shot? Is he a great defender?

Seems like AK-47 was so 10 years ago. Are we after Memeht Okur, too?

He's still a borderline top-5 perimeter defender tbh.

[Big Empty]

how old is he?

[ducks]

3 years would be ok

[timtonymanu]

Hopefully this isn't another 10+ page thread which leads to anything but Kirilenko signing here.

[timtonymanu]

how old is he?

32

[DPG21920]

He talks about what type of contract he is looking for here:

Henry Abbott @TrueHoop
(http://twitter.com/TrueHoop)Sounds like Andrei Kirilenko is happy in Minnesota; wants a three-year deal from a team with a chance to be good. bit.ly/14m5jvF (http://t.co/zYEJGXt4lX)

I posted it in think tank before the Stein tweet



Makes sense about the length, but at what amount? Can't see him taking a 3 year 15M deal. That would not make it worth opting out of 10M. I would imagine it's at least 3 years/21M and that is a lot of money for a 32 year old who has some injury problem IMO. I would like him and it's not my money, but are you really going to pay AK 7M while paying Manu 5M?

[Keepin' it real]

This sounds promising ...

[spurraider21]

Stein is no Woj but he's up there

:tu

[ducks]

This rumor seems strong.

what makes you think so?

[deibero]

he could play the 4 and move timmy to the 5. maybe you can even consider letting splitter go under that scenario and going after another C/pf with splitter 8-9m salary, like a millsap/aljeff or some combo of two cheaper players

[BatManu20]

how old is he?

32.

[justinandimcool]

pipe dream that he gets signed, even bigger pipe dream that he's good

[ChumpDumper]

he could play the 4 and move timmy to the 5. maybe you can even consider letting splitter go under that scenario and going after another C/pf with splitter 8-9m salary, like a millsap/aljeff or some combo of two cheaper playersOr Monta Ellis.

[DesignatedT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMlRl8UFcz8

[Big Empty]

ok hes 32

[dallasmaverickslose]

he could play the 4 and move timmy to the 5. maybe you can even consider letting splitter go under that scenario and going after another C/pf with splitter 8-9m salary, like a millsap/aljeff or some combo of two cheaper players

Splitter is better for us than either of those 2.

[Baam]

The BBiQ with him and Diaw is gonna off the charts...

[Baam]

Splitter is better for us than either of those 2.

Better at taking it up the ass maybe...

[Captivus]

what makes you think so?

Everybody is talking about it on twitter...I mean the fact that the rumor has started again today is something.
I know...you probably wanted more...Im sorry! I have no confidential information.
IMO, sounds reasonable and believable, not like the Ellis thing.

[ace3g]

Obviously Pop is intrigued by the Back Tat.

[deibero]

Splitter is better for us than either of those 2.

ill take millsap over splitter any day of the week... hes strong enough to defend a zach randolph (which anyways was a team effort) and thats the only type of series that a splitter is useful for

millsap and kirilenko gives you much more flexbility against smaller lineups, you could absoultely punish teams like the heat for going small on us

[coachmac87]

It'd be nice to have him on the team for the right price....I'd give him 4yr 20mil if that's even possible. I think you can get him for that extra yr @ a lower annually rate.

[Mr Bones]

This rumor makes much more sense to me than the Monta Ellis rumor. He's definitely a team player.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Better at taking it up the ass maybe...

Neither of those guys can play the pick N roll very well. That's what splitter does well for us. He just need to improve on his interior game and maybe gain some weight/strength

[bklynspursfan]

Yes please....

[spursince#99]

You could get a younger and more athletic Aminu for much cheaper. I'll pass.

[Bruno]

Spurs could gave him $8M per year if Manu is fine with $5M per year. $24M/3 years sounds like a fair offer for Kirilenko.

[deibero]

Neither of those guys can play the pick N roll very well. That's what splitter does well for us. He just need to improve on his interior game and maybe gain some weight/strength

man thats why you have AK for... he could run it as good as splitter

[Nazrat]

Plus Tony will love AK's wife. :married:

[BatManu20]

Obviously Pop is intrigued by the Back Tat.

How could anyone not be tbh? Maybe AK47 and Timmy can play Dungeons and Dragons together.

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/ak47tattoo.jpg
http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2011/05/andrei-kirilenko-tattoo-2.jpg

[ace3g]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/4c6f227cfa29e11a3380c7668bbc1ffb/tumblr_mfggo90nOz1rge74zo1_1280.jpg

[UZER]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMlRl8UFcz8

Well if he signs here, you can kiss those dunks and lobs goodbye. You know pop dont stand for that shit.

[Blake]

The hair cut is a concern.

[weebo]

does he still have that hot russian bitch wife?

[DPG21920]

Spurs could gave him $8M per year if Manu is fine with $5M per year. $24M/3 years sounds like a fair offer for Kirilenko.

That is the question(s) though:

Will Manu be ok with making 5M?

Will Manu be ok with AK making more than him?

Is paying 8M per year for 3 years for a 32 year old with injury issues be smart?

From a fit perspective I like AK47, but from a money perspective (even though that seems market value fair) it raises more questions. But either way, if Manu will take 5M or less, that would be huge for the pursuit of whomever the Spurs want.

[Nazrat]

Yes, with an open relationship. Tony will love this signing.

[Captivus]

How many years do you think AK wants in his new contract?
He opted out from $10m / 1 year.
So he is gonna want more than that, $20? 3 years? Sound like a lot...
Maybe $20 for 4 years, but that would be strange, cause he could have taken 10 next year and probably get a 3 year contract for $3.3 in the following years.
Unless he cares more about having a long contract, regardless of the money.

[CitizenDwayne]

I've wanted this guy for years. Please make it happen.

[Spur|n|Austin]

This would be the most realistically ideal pickup for the Spurs this off-season. Hope we can make this happen. :tu

[cd98]

Plus Tony will love AK's wife. :married:

AK's wife said he could have one NBA groupie a year. I'm sure it works both ways.

[tesseractive]

Or Monta Ellis.
Dropping Splitter + Adding Kirilenko and Ellis would be one seriously badass smallball squad.

[spursince#99]

We are not investing long term in a 32 year old who is past his prime, who in fact, just opted out of 10.2M. Fuck outta here. :lol

[HI-FI]

I like AK47 a lot, this is a very interesting rumor.

Pop and him could also speak in their native, commie tongue.

that being said, it's always about the price being right for me. I'm cool with Ellis joining if the price is right.

[Raven]

You could get a younger and more athletic Aminu for much cheaper. I'll pass.

well aminu is still a project and one with not much upside.

[Raven]

How many years do you think AK wants in his new contract?
He opted out from $10m / 1 year.
So he is gonna want more than that, $20? 3 years? Sound like a lot...
Maybe $20 for 4 years, but that would be strange, cause he could have taken 10 next year and probably get a 3 year contract for $3.3 in the following years.
Unless he cares more about having a long contract, regardless of the money.

i think 21/3 or maybe 16/2 is the best we can hope.. it's still a lot of money for a backup, but there is a big chance we could actually afford him, splitter and manu.

[Mugen]

I'd be okay with him being the only addition but sounds like a pipe dream tbh.

[Bruno]

Will Manu be ok with making 5M?


Given what Ginobili has done these past two years and given that realistic expectation is that he is going to be worst next season, $5M sounds fair for him.

[SenorSpur]

Now this sounds more like it. Seeing as how he opted out his final year @ $10 mil, I wonder how much $$$ he is seeking?

[Mouth is Bleeding]

pleaspleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

[Captivus]

Given what Ginobili has done these past two years and given that realistic expectation is that he is going to be worst next season, $5M sounds fair for him.

After some of the interviews he had during the finals, it looks like he is could agree to $5m. Hope he does, I want to see him play a few more years.

[coyotes_geek]

ill take millsap over splitter any day of the week... hes strong enough to defend a zach randolph (which anyways was a team effort) and thats the only type of series that a splitter is useful for

millsap and kirilenko gives you much more flexbility against smaller lineups, you could absoultely punish teams like the heat for going small on us

Randolph's stats against Utah suggest otherwise.

[Baam]

We're fronting Zbo anyway.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

He is still a very good hybrid 3 4 who moves the ball and defends really well.

I would just love to see how he would improve the Spurs and how the Spurs would improve him.

[RD2191]

Why not bring Livio over instead? Develop overseas my ass. Why not get him some NBA experience now instead of when Tim and Manu retire?

[benefactor]

Why not bring Livio over instead? Develop overseas my ass. Why not get him some NBA experience now instead of when Tim and Manu retire?
:lol

[Jumi]

Why not bring Livio over instead? Develop overseas my ass. Why not get him some NBA experience now instead of when Tim and Manu retire?

:lol

[spurraider21]

Why not bring Livio over instead? Develop overseas my ass. Why not get him some NBA experience now instead of when Tim and Manu retire?
:lol

[benefactor]

:lol


:lol
:lol

[BatManu20]

Why not bring Livio over instead? Develop overseas my ass. Why not get him some NBA experience now instead of when Tim and Manu retire?

:lol

[I. Hustle]

Why not bring Livio over instead? Develop overseas my ass. Why not get him some NBA experience now instead of when Tim and Manu retire?

I think we should hire AK then send him to play in Russia for a few years to gain some experience. Maybe even go after Dwight and send him to play for Lithuania for at least 2 years.

[tmtcsc]

Pop and him could also speak in their native, commie tongue.


That's some funny right there.

[deibero]

Randolph's stats against Utah suggest otherwise.

hence the team effort comment... utah isnt sa and corbin isnt pop... also a regular season isnt a playoff series with a pop def scheme

[tmtcsc]

Why not bring Livio over instead? Develop overseas my ass. Why not get him some NBA experience now instead of when Tim and Manu retire?

I've had bigger paper cuts than that dude.

[tmtcsc]

If we sign AK47, Bonner's the casualty, not Tiago. Manu's salary will fall in line. I think they still want Splitter to go with AK47.

[coyotes_geek]

hence the team effort comment... utah isnt sa and corbin isnt pop... also a regular season isnt a playoff series with a pop def scheme

And a 6-7 Milsap isn't a 6-11 Duncan or Splitter.

[FvckMavs]

And the Warriors

And the Thunders?

[Baam]

If we sign AK47, Bonner's the casualty, not AK47. Manu's salary will fall in line. I think they still want Splitter to go with AK47.

Why would they want Tiago? AK47 is not coming off the bench behind Tiago effing Splitter.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

I like Millsap better, but it's like choosing between a Lambo and a Ferrari.

[8FOR!3]

I actually really like this. At 32 everybody wants to say he's past his prime, but his #'s say otherwise. He's averaging a few points less and a few rebounds less a game than he did 5 years ago when he was 27. He's also not playing as many minutes and has a higher field goal %.

[chrhawk]

Why not bring Livio over instead? Develop overseas my ass. Why not get him some NBA experience now instead of when Tim and Manu retire?

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Big Empty]

I actually really like this. At 32 everybody wants to say he's past his prime, but his #'s say otherwise. He's averaging a few points less and a few rebounds less a game than he did 5 years ago when he was 27. He's also not playing as many minutes and has a higher field goal %.

I havnt watched him play in years, but from the look of those highlight videos all his points were ally hoop dunks. he never created any of those shots. now its just a 10 play highlight video. But still, those were all on his top ten highlights.

[tmtcsc]

Why would they want Tiago? AK47 is not coming off the bench behind Tiago effing Splitter.

No, he's coming off the bench behind Kawai effing Leonard. Tiago is our starting center.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Why not bring Livio over instead? Develop overseas my ass. Why not get him some NBA experience now instead of when Tim and Manu retire?

In case you were wondering, people were laughing at you, not with you..

[tmtcsc]

I havnt watched him play in years, but from the look of those highlight videos all his points were ally hoop dunks. he never created any of those shots. now its just a 10 play highlight video. But still, those were all on his top ten highlights.

I think his value is more on the defensive end.

[Baam]

No, he's coming off the bench behind Kawai effing Leonard. Tiago is our starting center.

No Tiago's the PF and Kirilenko is probably more of a PF at this point.

[RD2191]

Oh and you think I care? Im not popular on ST, how will I ever survive? :lmao

[marinoman]

How will this move effect Manu Effing Ginobili?

Are we still gonna keep him along with Matt effing Bonner?

Effing!

[Blizzardwizard]

Oh and you think I care? Im not popular on ST, how will I ever survive? :lmao

Reassuring smileys,

yea.....

[Trill Clinton]

Why not bring Livio over instead? Develop overseas my ass. Why not get him some NBA experience now instead of when Tim and Manu retire?
:lol
:lol
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:lolhttp://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Charlie-Murphy-Laughing-Chappelles-Show-Prince.gif

[Longley]

AK would be great. 3pt % is not great, but on the other hand, hes not been in system that greats open threes. Hes great defender, solid passer, what else you want? Peals bring him and big Al.:hat

[spurraider21]

People need to get Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap out of their heads

[spursince#99]

well aminu is still a project and one with not much upside.


Aminu has much upside. How could a player that gifted athletically not have much upside? Are you okay? :lol

[Vic Petro]

People need to get Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap out of their heads

Thank you. These two would not help us. I'd rather have Splitter than either of them, and it's not close.

[tmtcsc]

Why not bring Livio over instead? Develop overseas my ass. Why not get him some NBA experience now instead of when Tim and Manu retire?

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/stephen-a-smith-laugh.gif

[ChumpDumper]

Aminu has much upside. How could a player that gifted athletically not have much upside? Are you okay? :lolJames White is a free agent.

[Darius McCrary]

Meh.
Players of his type who can't hit 3's with regularity tend not to do well in this system.

[Raven]

Aminu has much upside. How could a player that gifted athletically not have much upside? Are you okay? :lol

well that's basically all he has. don't get me wrong, i am positive about aminu, but right now he's complete garbage, he's the t-rob of sf. Spurs could fix him, in theory, but Kirilenko is a completely different player.

[spurraider21]

Aminu reminds me of a more athletic udoka

[RD2191]

Ok, so ak47 is the missing piece to a championship run? If he comes it will be to back up kawhi, Livio isnt capable of that? So then what was the point of drafting him? When has a player really ever developed oversea?

[ChumpDumper]

Ok, so ak47 is the missing piece to a championship run? If he comes it will be to back up kawhi, Livio isnt capable of that? So then what was the point of drafting him? When has a player really ever developed oversea?Are these serious questions?

[Raven]

Ok, so ak47 is the missing piece to a championship run? If he comes it will be to back up kawhi, Livio isnt capable of that? So then what was the point of drafting him? When has a player really ever developed oversea?

that's a stupid take tbh.

[Texas_Ranger]

AK was asked if he would want to play for Miami for less money and he said something like that he still feels that he can contribute more than be just a bench player. So I don't know how the Spurs would convince him to play 20 minutes a game and be a backup. I bet he wants to be a starter.

[RD2191]

No bro. Im just trolling.

[Drewlius]

Ok, so ak47 is the missing piece to a championship run? If he comes it will be to back up kawhi, Livio isnt capable of that? So then what was the point of drafting him? When has a player really ever developed oversea?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ELFl2_1q7DI/TObn1HnV2fI/AAAAAAAAAaQ/5JkvAtpbv7k/s1600/Not_sure_if_serious.jpg

[RD2191]

Even more reason for Livio:hat

[ChumpDumper]

AK was asked if he would want to play for Miami for less money and he said something like that he still feels that he can contribute more than be just a bench player. So I don't know how the Spurs would convince him to play 20 minutes a game and be a backup. I bet he wants to be a starter.Makes sense if Splitter is gone.

[Baam]

No bro. Im just trolling.


It's simple the Spurs want him to start and let Splitter walk (or S&T him). AK47 is cheaper and better.

[Darkwaters]

Would he be a possible replacement for Splitter?

More likely a replacement for Stephen Jackson/T-Mac

[ernest787]

I'd be fine with splitter going back to the bench and ak starting next to Duncan.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Our needs are a guard/wing who can score and/or make plays and a solid big. I have doubts as to whether spending the money on Kirilenko would make us any better than last year.

I just look at our situation and don't see the big "get" with him. And just once, I'd like to get someone young.

[spursnatic]

They are saying if AK47 is signed..It could be the end of Manu?..And Green could take over Manu's role..But he cannot handle the ball like Ginobili, so I would have to say fuck that

[DesignatedT]

They are saying if AK47 is signed..It could be the end of Manu?..And Green could take over Manu's role..But he cannot handle the ball like Ginobili, so I would have to say fuck that

Who's saying that? lol

[spurraider21]

Ak seems like a splitter replacement while monta is the potential Ginobili replacement

[TD 21]

Trying to get contender discounts, apparently.

I agree . . . and even though it almost certainly won't work for them, it's worth a shot.

I do think Kirilenko would have interest, for all the obvious reasons, but the Timberwolves can and more than likely will offer more money and they'll allow him to play his (presumed) preferred position with more regularity.

There is a scenario where they could re-sign Splitter and sign him, but I can't see it happening. In addition to seeing if they can get a contender discount, he's also probably a fallback option if Splitter get's something they deem astronomical.

I'm still resigned to the only off season addition with a guarantee being either Delfino or Casspi.

[DPG21920]

Who's saying that? lol

they.

[spursince#99]

James White is a free agent.


How old is James White?

[DPG21920]

More likely a replacement for Stephen Jackson/T-Mac

If you pay someone 8M per year, they are usually a lot more than a end of bench player replacement. Especially considering the things that would likely have to happen to get him (Manu taking less, amnesty of Bonner...). If you pay someone like that it's because they will play a big role.

[bthewigwam]

One of the espn 'insiders' had this to say in his update:

If the Spurs are able to land Kirilenko, one has to believe that it could -- let us emphasize the word "could" -- mean the end for Manu Ginobili in San Antonio. San Antonio would be able to start Kirlenko and use Danny Green in Ginobili's role as instant offense off the bench.

I'm guessing this guy's an idiot and doesn't know what he's talking about. Wanted to get thoughts here. Wouldn't it be more likely that it would mean the end of Tiago? Under this dude's scenario it sounds like he's trying to imply a starting 5 of TP, KL, AK, TS, and TD? Can anybody here envision that scenario?

[ChumpDumper]

How old is James White?You said nothing about age.

Also there are several scores of undrafted free agents that are very athletic. Do they all have upside?

[bthewigwam]

Joe Kaiser is the supposed 'espn insider' who said that

[ChumpDumper]

One of the espn 'insiders' had this to say in his update:

If the Spurs are able to land Kirilenko, one has to believe that it could -- let us emphasize the word "could" -- mean the end for Manu Ginobili in San Antonio. San Antonio would be able to start Kirlenko and use Danny Green in Ginobili's role as instant offense off the bench.

I'm guessing this guy's an idiot and doesn't know what he's talking about. Wanted to get thoughts here. Wouldn't it be more likely that it would mean the end of Tiago? Under this dude's scenario it sounds like he's trying to imply a starting 5 of TP, KL, AK, TS, and TD? Can anybody here envision that scenario?lol instant offense

[timvp]

I give a big thumbs up to AK47.

1. He's a very good defender -- especially with regard to help defense. With Ginobili slowing down, the Spurs could use a help defense specialist and AK47 fits the bill. While the Spurs were improved on D last year, AK47 theoretically could take the Spurs to an even higher level.

2. He'd give the Spurs wicked small ball options: TP, Manu, Leonard, AK7, Duncan = :wow

3. He can almost backup small forward.

4. While he's not a great shooter, he is a very good passer. Besides, he might experience a Diaw-like improvement in three-point percentage in S.A. due to getting open shots.

5. He gets steals and blocks without fouling, which fits perfectly in Pop's system.

6. He's very good on the fast break ... again, a good fit in the system.

7. He's a better rebounder than Bonner or Diaw so going "small" wouldn't be much of a difference than big lineups that don't feature both Tiago and TD.

8. He's friends with TP (outside of Diaw, he's TP's best friend in the NBA, AFIAK) so there isn't much risk chemistry-wise.


As long as AK47 is okay with playing more PF than previously and if he's okay with the possibility of coming off the bench, I'm 100% behind this pursuit. If the Spurs can bring back Splitter and Manu while adding AK47, that'd be awesome, tbh.

[RD2191]

James White :lmao

[CGD]

NOW we're talking. Forget this Monte Ellis stuff.

[SpursSerb]

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[dbestpro]

Leonard can play SG, as well. There may be times where AK47 (SF) and Leonard on the floor at the same time. I could see that happening when Green is off or is being crowded away from his jump shot. I think for sure he would be on the floor when Leonard is not. Manu then might see the Neal minutes.

[TheGoldStandard]

Come on guys, lets not get this twisted.. The guy hasn't been healthy enough to play a full season in forever since his rookie year. He's always hurt and it keeps him out of the rotation which he'll need to be in so that he can have chemistry with the guys come playoff time. If he comes in he's a starter not a bench guy for that kind of cash. He's 32.

[spurraider21]

Come on guys, lets not get this twisted.. The guy hasn't been healthy enough to play a full season in forever since his rookie year. He's always hurt and it keeps him out of the rotation which he'll need to be in so that he can have chemistry with the guys come playoff time. If he comes in he's a starter not a bench guy for that kind of cash. He's 32.
The spurs aren't looking to ride him for 35 mpg and typically mmanage minutes better than any team in the league

a potential frontcourt of Duncan, Splitter, Kirilenko, Diaw, Baynes, Leonard could be like the giants defensive line. Always have talent out there, and fresh guys at all times

[RD2191]

Which is why we need Livio instead of AK :hat

[TheGreatYacht]

Makes sense about the length, but at what amount? Can't see him taking a 3 year 15M deal. That would not make it worth opting out of 10M. I would imagine it's at least 3 years/21M and that is a lot of money for a 32 year old who has some injury problem IMO. I would like him and it's not my money, but are you really going to pay AK 7M while paying Manu 5M?Then let's not pay Manu 5M. Manu can sacrifice some $$$ if he wants to redeem himself for costing Tim Duncan his 5th championship, it's the least he can do.
he could play the 4 and move timmy to the 5. maybe you can even consider letting splitter go under that scenario and going after another C/pf with splitter 8-9m salary, like a millsap/aljeff or some combo of two cheaper playersI love this idea. Let Splitter walk for another big like Al Jefferson or David West. Now if Splitter accepts the $5 million qualifying offer that the Spurs have on the table then I'm fine with keeping Splitter.
It'd be nice to have him on the team for the right price....I'd give him 4yr 20mil if that's even possible. I think you can get him for that extra yr @ a lower annually rate.This would be a really good price for AK47. The way Pop manages player's minutes, I believe that AK can play at a good level for 4 more years.


Spurs could gave him $8M per year if Manu is fine with $5M per year. $24M/3 years sounds like a fair offer for Kirilenko.Fuc* Manu. He can take the veteran's minimum or retire.


That is the question(s) though:

Will Manu be ok with making 5M?

Will Manu be ok with AK making more than him?

Is paying 8M per year for 3 years for a 32 year old with injury issues be smart?

From a fit perspective I like AK47, but from a money perspective (even though that seems market value fair) it raises more questions. But either way, if Manu will take 5M or less, that would be huge for the pursuit of whomever the Spurs want.LMAO stop acting like Manu is worth any $$$. He's done. He's washed up. He suc*s now. He is worth the veteran's minimum. Tiago, AK, and Danny Green are all better than him. Get off Manu's ballsac*.


We are not investing long term in a 32 year old who is past his prime, who in fact, just opted out of 10.2M. Fuck outta here. :lolYeah the Spurs will do as you say, yes sir! You GTFO here.


Meh.
Players of his type who can't hit 3's with regularity tend not to do well in this system.Maybe Chip Engelland can work with him?


They are saying if AK47 is signed..It could be the end of Manu?..And Green could take over Manu's role..But he cannot handle the ball like Ginobili, so I would have to say fuck thatI'll say "fuck that" to your comment because your hero MANU GINOBILI IS DONE. He is past his expiration date.

[slick'81]

Good backup off the bench but can he stay healthy

[spursince#99]

You said nothing about age.

Also there are several scores of undrafted free agents that are very athletic. Do they all have upside?


It's not about just athleticism. Aminu can guard 5 positions and has an incredible wingspan. He has potential due to his age. Especially if he can play for a team that can possibly guide him with veterans, unlike the Pelicans.

[spurraider21]

:ban: TheGreatYacht

[InRareForm]

Ak and leonard swarming is awesome tbh...

[monkeypunk]

:ban: TheGreatYacht

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[Longley]

Look, guys, its not all about money for AK47. He donated all his 5 mln what he made playing in CSKA. I think now, its compete for the championship and not being a 10 min per game guy.

[SA210]

Plus Tony will love AK's wife. :married:

:rollin

[temujin]

:ban: TheGreatYacht

Against that.

funniest guy to read since KBP.

[TheGoldStandard]

The spurs aren't looking to ride him for 35 mpg and typically mmanage minutes better than any team in the league

He's not looking to take a drastic paycut.. He's looking for 7 or 8 Mil a year for 4 years. If he's okay with the MLE than I'm okay with it, Which is fine if we had a true center and a packup PG.. I'd have more faith in this move if they cut Bonner or amnestied him to shore up some more cap space to bring over Ellis for cheap and actually pay a big. The thing is they're gonna keep splitter, resign manu, neal is probably coming back and then Kirelinko so is he going to be okay playing 20 minutes a game as a backup? or do you send Danny to the bench and hope he doesn't ruin his confidence?

If he's okay with the MLE than I think that's a better deal.

[TheGreatYacht]

Against that.

funniest guy to read since KBP.Why am I always being compared to KBP. Who is that guy?

[dbestpro]

Maybe in order to make some of the dollars fit the Spurs should let Tiago walk and go after a cheaper option like Speights. He might develop into a very good player in the right situation.

[Raven]

One of the espn 'insiders' had this to say in his update:

If the Spurs are able to land Kirilenko, one has to believe that it could -- let us emphasize the word "could" -- mean the end for Manu Ginobili in San Antonio. San Antonio would be able to start Kirlenko and use Danny Green in Ginobili's role as instant offense off the bench.

I'm guessing this guy's an idiot and doesn't know what he's talking about. Wanted to get thoughts here. Wouldn't it be more likely that it would mean the end of Tiago? Under this dude's scenario it sounds like he's trying to imply a starting 5 of TP, KL, AK, TS, and TD? Can anybody here envision that scenario?

word.

[Mr Bones]

This move would be all about match ups with OKC and Miami. Kirilenko would be a perfect small ball PF in those situations, because Bosh and Ibaka are guys he could defend. With the goal being to win next year, the move makes sense even if it's not a move the Spurs would ordinarily make because of his age.

[Darkwaters]

AK47 has been on Spurs fans lists for many a year. Even at 32, I'm down with it. Hopefully we get the BFF/contender discount.

[Darkwaters]

Why am I always being compared to KBP. Who is that guy?

Perhaps the greatest poster ever on Spurstalk. The enviable Kill_Bill_Pana

[Agloco]

If we sign AK47, Bonner's the casualty, not Tiago. Manu's salary will fall in line. I think they still want Splitter to go with AK47.

This. I see AK-47 taking the place of Bonner as the stretch four. Bonner probably a better 3-ball shooter, but AK is an upgrade in just about every other department.

[StoneBuddha]

8. He's friends with TP (outside of Diaw, he's TP's best friend in the NBA, AFIAK) so there isn't much risk chemistry-wise.



How'd that come about? That seems like a really weird pairing.

[TE]

Good move but it won't happen. He'll stay in Minny

[Raven]

It's not about just athleticism. Aminu can guard 5 positions and has an incredible wingspan. He has potential due to his age. Especially if he can play for a team that can possibly guide him with veterans, unlike the Pelicans.

oh please, he never guarded any pg or c in his career and barely tried at the other positions while being on a superloser team. he has no offensive game or brain to make anybody think he could develop in anything special, i mean he never averaged more than 7ppg and shitty teams didn't even give him a qualifying offer, what are you taking about?

[mudyez]

I'd like to get him.

[Nathan89]

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1hdv3o/get_to_know_a_free_agent_andrei_kirilenko/


Get to know a free agent: Andrei Kirilenko
Link to Nikola Pekovic (http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1fwum2/get_to_know_a_free_agent_nikola_pekovic/)
OMFG He opted out! He wants 3 years, 24MM. This now has to happen today.
Isolation Offense: 0.49 PPP
Small Forwards with Similar Efficiency: ummmmmmm
Better Options: Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Paul George, Paul Pierce, Rudy Gay, Batum, Marion?, Parsons, Iggy, Kawaii!, Luol Deng, Gallinari, Evan Turner, Vince Carter, Hayward, Wilson Chandler, Aminu, Kyle Korver, World Peace, Martell Webster, MKG, Ariza, Mike Dunleavy, Jimmy Butler, Harrison Barnes, Moute
I’d like you all to meet the worst starting isolation small forward all of basketball (and most of the bench guys are better than him). Watch him dribble the ball off his foot. Watch him spin around uncontrollably and throw his arms up looking for a foul. If AK47 comes to your team, just hope your coach doesn’t let him play isoball.
P&R Ball Handler: 0.79 PPP on only 33 attempts all season
Post-Up: 0.81 PPP on only 31 attempts all season
If we take out the attempts where the play counted as a pick and roll because there just so happened to be a pick in the area, we see that AK47 does not initiate the offense. He ‘s not a roll man either, which limits his ability to play power forward. He also doesn’t post anybody up. He’s an off ball guy with 24.2% of his possessions coming off offensive rebounds and cuts at 1.1 and 1.35 PPP respectively. He knows exactly when to start moving and creates lots of space for easy layups.
Spot Up Shooting: 0.95 PPP
Small Forwards with Similar Efficiency: Marion, Matt Barnes
Better Options: Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Paul George, Paul Pierce, Batum, Parsons, Kawaii!, Gallinari, Evan Turner, Vince Carter, Hayward, Wilson Chandler, Korver, World Peace, Martell Webster, Ariza, Mike Dunleavy, Jimmy Butler, Harrison Barnes
He has a tendency to put the ball on the floor and drive straight into the help defense. As a catch and shoot player, he can hit the open two but is only a 31.6% three point shooter and is not a sure bet to hit a wide open 3. There are a lot of better options if you are looking for a shooter, but he’s not Iguodala (0.87 PPP) or worse yet Boston Celtic Gerald Wallace (0.83 PPP) or worst of all Milwaukee Bucks starting small forward Luc Mbah a Moute (0.69 PPP) where teams literally won’t guard him on the perimeter.
Off Screens: 0.68 PPP
Small Forwards with Similar Efficiency: He’s really bad but not the worst in the league
Better Options: Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Paul George, Paul Pierce, Rudy Gay, Batum, Marion, Parsons, Iggy, Kawaii!, Luol Deng, Gallinari, Vince Carter, Hayward, Korver, Matt Barnes, Martell Webster, Mike Dunleavy, Jimmy Butler, Harrison Barnes
There’s something about catching on the move and needing to direct your momentum back toward the basketball hoop that turns AK into an airball machine. Sidenote: he really loves to spin off the dribble and comes up a little out of control out of the move. It’s weird because if he catches with his momentum moving toward the hoop on a cut, he’s money. However, if he catches going any other direction, he’s in trouble.
Transition: 1.43 PPP on 130 attempts
Small Forwards with Similar Efficiency: Lebron James
Better Options: He’s the second best small forward in transition
For AK47, transition is really just another cutting opportunity but without all those pesky defenders to get in the way. He gets his ass down the court sometimes getting the turnover under the basket, pushing the ball to a guard, running past the entire defense, and finishing at the rim.
Defending Isolation: 0.82 PPP
Small Forwards with Similar Efficiency: Lebron James, Marion, Luol Deng, Matt Barnes, Ariza
Better Options: Kevin Durant, Paul George, Paul Pierce, Rudy Gay, Batum, Parsons, Iggy, Kawaii!, Gallinari, Evan Turner, Vince Carter, Hayward, World Peace, Martell Webster, MKG, Mike Dunleavy, Jimmy Butler, Harrison Barnes Gerald Wallace
Again we see a common trend. AK47 doesn’t move well laterally. He’s really long for contesting shots but the positives in his isolation defense stop there. Players often cross him up and get back into the help defense because he just can’t switch directions well. He just doesn’t get his body low enough in his stance to move back and forth at an NBA level.
Defending P&R: 0.76 PPP
Small Forwards with Similar Efficiency: Carmelo Anthony, Paul George, Paul Pierce, Vince Carter, Hayward, Wilson Chandler, Ariza, Harrison Barnes
Better Options: Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Parsons, Kawaii!, Gallinari, Aminu, Korver, Matt Barnes, MKG, Mike Dunleavy, Jimmy Butler, Moute
As an individual defender, AK47 has a tendency to get held up when attempting to go over the pick. He also has a tendency to bite toward the pick when the guard/forward goes away from the pick. However, if the second defender comes up to help, then AK’s length and quick hands really lock down the passing lanes. His cerebral play keeps him in great position so long as the scheme plays to his strengths.
Defending the Post: 0.82 PPP
Small Forwards with Similar Efficiency: Paul Pierce, Iggy, Gallinari, Jimmy Butler
Better Options: Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Rudy Gay, Marion, Luol Deng, Vince Carter, Wilson Chandler, World Peace, MKG, Mike Dunleavy, Moute, Gerald Wallace
The first sign of a troubled post defender is that when his man pushes he takes a big step back toward the basket. AK47 just doesn’t have the strength to defend the post. However, his numbers aren’t abysmal because he has the length to defend the post and if you don’t try and overpower him, has the veteran savvy to make you take a really tough shot (when Anthony Davis tried to post him up, he threw two predictable shoulder fakes that didn’t draw contact and then he tried a finesse move that AK easily stopped). In general, he does fine against finesse moves, but most post up players have enough power moves to knock him back deep into the paint.
Defending Spot Up Shooters: 0.75 PPP
Small Forwards with Similar Efficiency: Jimmy Butler
Better Options: He’s the best small forward in the game at stopping opposing shooters
It’s not his athleticism to get his ass out to the perimeter and he barely uses his full length when contesting the jump shot. AK47 just follows the basic fundamental of don’t help when you’re not needed and don’t get caught watching the ball while your man is standing wide open. Like his offensive game, he just has an innate sense for court spacing.
Defending Off the Screen: 1.00 PPP
Small Forwards with Similar Efficiency: Carmelo Anthony, Rudy Gay, Parsons, Iggy, Wilson Chandler
Better Options: Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul George, Paul Pierce, Batum, Marion, Kawaii!, Luol Deng, Gallinari, Vince Carter, Hayward, Aminu, Korver, Matt Barnes, World Peace, Martell Webster, MKG, Ariza, Mike Dunleavy, Jimmy Butler, Harrison Barnes Moute, Gerald Wallace
AK47 runs in straight lines and isn’t the strongest guy out on the court. This is well established at this point. If you stick a screen in his way, he’s going to have a hard time turning to go around it and will get held up on the contact. His man can then get a lot of separation and an uncontested jump shot.
Last Words and my homer coming out
AK47 is elite at the things he does and how is this guy still in the league at the things he doesn’t do well. The injury history is a bit scary for a 3 year deal but there isn’t a huge glaring red flag saying he’s going to miss entire seasons in there. If Hammond is really bringing back Jennings “at any price” (http://www.brewhoop.com/2013/6/28/4474810/brandon-jennings-free-agency-milwaukee-bucks), then AK47 needs to be the first free agent called.
If Jennings is back, this team cannot be worse than Boston, Philly, Sacramento, Phoenix, and Charlotte. There are others but if you can think of 5, then lottery chances for top three are slim to none. Sadly, the next best thing to sucking is a sixth seed. So here’s the deal. Jennings is all the iso-ball a team needs. He can break down a defense but he can’t finish at the rim so he needs somebody who can make the right off ball cut to start turning a collapsed defense into points. Ilyasova’s shooting opens up the space for off ball cuts toward the rim while Jennings is producing movement. Further, Jennings, Ilyasova, and Sanders all excel at running the floor but none finish at the rim in transition as well as AK47. Defensively, Sanders has the mobility to consistently come up on the pick and roll and the two of them would be able to create a lot of turnovers, though it would be best to have Henson or Udoh in as the rotation man as Ilyasova would get abused on the ensuing pocket pass. Defensively, he adds somebody, literally anybody who will contest spot up shooters and an overall plus defender (with specific holes that Moute excels at) who doesn’t make it four on five at the other end like Moute. Now all I need to find is a shooting guard who can as the name suggests actually shoot and maybe even play some defense.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Good move but it won't happen. He'll stay in Minny

I'm not even sure they'll be the worst competition. They won't commit money to multiple years, which is what he is looking for, cuz they have to resign ppl (Love) down the road. And Saunders has said they want shooters.

Hopefully the idea of playing for the Spurs will be very appealing to him because I would think others will show interest soon.

[spursince#99]

oh please, he never guarded any pg or c in his career and barely tried at the other positions while being on a superloser team. he has no offensive game or brain to make anybody think he could develop in anything special, i mean he never averaged more than 7ppg and shitty teams didn't even give him a qualifying offer, what are you taking about?


I can tell by that statement you've never seen him play unless it was against us, and he has the smarts to succeed. He's a efficient slasher that didn't really get a chance with the inept coaching he was cursed with. He basically took over a game he played against us with athleticism only, so just imagine what coaching and development would do for him. Do you pay attention to the ins and outs of basketball?

[Raven]

I can tell by that statement you've never seen him play unless it was against us, and he has the smarts to succeed. He's a efficient slasher that didn't really get a chance with the inept coaching he was cursed with. He basically took over a game he played against us with athleticism only, so just imagine what coaching and development would do for him. Do you pay attention to the ins and outs of basketball?

http://www.82games.com/1213/12NOH9.HTM#bypos
now let's see how you answer to that..

[spursince#99]

http://www.82games.com/1213/12NOH9.HTM#bypos
now let's see how you answer to that..


That can't be determined by +/- stats due to the fact that you have to take into account the team he played for, and the schemes as opposed to the ones he would play with if he signed here. Oh and I didn't say he did defend all 5 positions, but I did say he can due to his physical build and athletic ability. Sometimes it's as simple as watching the way the game is played and not how stats transfer from one team to another, which they don't.

[Mugen]

Manu taking 5mil for the Spurs to sign AK would be the most selfless act in human history IMO. Not unlike Randy Quaid taking it for Earth in Independence Day tbh.

[RD2191]

^Settle down ladies, Livio is the future.

[sexinthatsx]

The question is... AK-47 or Marcin Gortat??

[Raven]

That can't be determined by +/- stats due to the fact that you have to take into account the team he played for, and the schemes as opposed to the ones he would play with if he signed here. Oh and I didn't say he did defend all 5 positions, but I did say he can due to his physical build and athletic ability. Sometimes it's as simple as watching the way the game is played and not how stats transfer from one team to another, which they don't.

well if you say he can defend 5 positions you need something to back it up, honestly i don't know of any player who could guard both derrick rose and shaquille o'neill, the closest it gets is lebron, but even there it's not like he guards marcin gortat, he barely goes for the reach in steal or maybe does a block in transition, that's pretty much about it. To say something so adring you need something better to back it up than measurables imho.

[Johnny RIngo]

Manu taking 5mil for the Spurs to sign AK would be the most selfless act in human history IMO. Not unlike Randy Quaid taking it for Earth in Independence Day tbh.

Manu shouldn't take anything more than vet min with how much money he's stolen from the team the past two years so he could play inspired ball for the Argentina national team.

[Buddy Holly]

The question is... AK-47 or Marcin Gortat??

I doubt that's the question.

[SpursDynasty21]

The question is... AK-47 or Marcin Gortat??

Hopefully, both.

[benfti]

I think it's clear to say now with this news an Gortat that PATFO saw that post a few weeks back about adding only Americans to the roster and have decided to send out a big giant F-YOU!

[ElNono]

Manu taking 5mil for the Spurs to sign AK would be the most selfless act in human history IMO. Not unlike Randy Quaid taking it for Earth in Independence Day tbh.

Randy Quaid is an american hero, tbh... these colors don't bleed, hefty fucking fee, witten no helmet, etc etc etc

[MR-Clutch]

Manu taking 5mil for the Spurs to sign AK would be the most selfless act in human history IMO. Not unlike Randy Quaid taking it for Earth in Independence Day tbh.

:lmao...I'm baaaaackkk!!!

[PlayNando]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)One of the teams that troubles Minnesota in Wolves' bid to retain Andrei Kirilenko: San Antonio. I'm told Spurs have AK-47 in their sights



More international intelligence. Good, good....................

Aside from our honorary Canadian (Bonner) and our honorary Mexican (Kawhi Leonard), I think we should fully internationalize our team in order to achieve the highest intelligent possible and cut down on the unintelligent monkeyballing gringos tend to gravitate towards.

[ChumpDumper]

More international intelligence. Good, good....................

Aside from our honorary Canadian (Bonner) and our honorary Mexican (Kawhi Leonard), I think we should fully internationalize our team in order to achieve the highest intelligent possible and cut down on the unintelligent monkeyballing gringos tend to gravitate towards.You can go back to your other screen name now.

[PlayNando]

You can go back to your other screen name now.
:lol Haters gonna hate. :lol

[FireMicoHalili]

Gortat > Ellis > Kirilenko > Splitter

[Marcus Bryant]

Makes a lot of sense. Skill set would be a nice fit. Not too pricey.

[poop]

Manu taking 5mil for the Spurs to sign AK would be the most selfless act in human history IMO. Not unlike Randy Quaid taking it for Earth in Independence Day tbh.

LMAO

[spurraider21]

Manu taking 5mil for the Spurs to sign AK would be the most selfless act in human history IMO. Not unlike Randy Quaid taking it for Earth in Independence Day tbh.

hello boys. i'm BAACK

[HI-FI]

Manu taking 5mil for the Spurs to sign AK would be the most selfless act in human history IMO. Not unlike Randy Quaid taking it for Earth in Independence Day tbh.

:lol
it would be a perfect comparison if Quaid choked in a previous battle against the Aliens, giving them a permanent stronghold while he tries to laugh it off in Spanish....then he returns to make a comeback with his own sacrifice. but otherwise I agree.

and hopefully there isn't a scene of Quaid of blowing it against the aliens in the second act because I've seen that shitty movie one time and thankfully have forgotten lots of it.

[Marcus Bryant]

This would be the most conceivable and best outright free agent signing by the Spurs away from another team. Otherwise we're looking at trying to Bogart into a three team deal with the cap space.

[coachmac87]

Spurs targeting Kirilenko?

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San Antonio is reportedly a team to watch out for in the Andrei Kirilenko sweepstakes.

ESPN's Marc Stein reports this afternoon that the Spurs are one of the teams that could make it tough for Minnesota to bring back their key veteran, who opted out of the final year of his deal last Friday.

"I'm told (the) Spurs have AK-47 in their sights," Stein tweets.

If the Spurs are able to land Kirilenko, one has to believe that it could -- let us emphasize the word "could" -- mean the end for Manu Ginobili in San Antonio. San Antonio would be able to start Kirlenko and use Danny Green in Ginobili's role as instant offense off the bench.

what?? lol this fool retarded??

[spursince#99]

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San Antonio is reportedly a team to watch out for in the Andrei Kirilenko sweepstakes.

ESPN's Marc Stein reports this afternoon that the Spurs are one of the teams that could make it tough for Minnesota to bring back their key veteran, who opted out of the final year of his deal last Friday.

"I'm told (the) Spurs have AK-47 in their sights," Stein tweets.

If the Spurs are able to land Kirilenko, one has to believe that it could -- let us emphasize the word "could" -- mean the end for Manu Ginobili in San Antonio. San Antonio would be able to start Kirlenko and use Danny Green in Ginobili's role as instant offense off the bench.

what?? lol this fool retarded??


WTF? I can't believe this shit. :wow

[spurraider21]

I don't think a Kirilenko signing has anything to do with Ginobili's future in San Antonio. I'd be wary of a Monta Ellis signing though

[ducks]

ellis>>>>>>>>manu

[SA210]

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San Antonio is reportedly a team to watch out for in the Andrei Kirilenko sweepstakes.

ESPN's Marc Stein reports this afternoon that the Spurs are one of the teams that could make it tough for Minnesota to bring back their key veteran, who opted out of the final year of his deal last Friday.

"I'm told (the) Spurs have AK-47 in their sights," Stein tweets.

If the Spurs are able to land Kirilenko, one has to believe that it could -- let us emphasize the word "could" -- mean the end for Manu Ginobili in San Antonio. San Antonio would be able to start Kirlenko and use Danny Green in Ginobili's role as instant offense off the bench.

what?? lol this fool retarded??

Yes, retarded

[TheGreatYacht]

Manu shouldn't take anything more than vet min with how much money he's stolen from the team the past two years so he could play inspired ball for the Argentina national team.Bingo.

[tesseractive]

I don't think a Kirilenko signing has anything to do with Ginobili's future in San Antonio. I'd be wary of a Monta Ellis signing though
True, though an Ellis signing might also mean that Manu is willing to graduate to a Gary Neal role with more limited minutes.

[DJR210]

Offense here from what I've seen in their most recent games is crap, but his long arms are still valuable on the perimeter.

[heyheymymy]

Ignore him. Sometimes it's just better that way...

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holy shit thank you!

[cd021]

Yep. He declined a $10 million option with Minny though... how much is he looking to get paid?

Also, let's not forget this is not the AK47 from 2004.. This is 32 year old Kirlilenko who has injury problems. Still a solid role player off the bench, especially in the right situation, but I definitely don't hink this would suddenly "put us over the top." A lot comes down to asking $$. Would be a solid pickup at a reasonable price though.



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For that production, I wouldn't think 3 years $25 million with a partially guaranteed year 3. Keeping this from becoming a bad deal. With the Spurs being able to cut him while being responsible for half or 1/3 of his remaining money owed.He can play two positions, can defend and is provides production across the board. A bench player, would be an excellent backup to Kawhi and Duncan. Have Diaw (if he stays) play center behind Gortat.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Random, but just saw Baynes and Kirilenko have the same agent.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Here is an interesting interview with him on 2013 free agency, translated from Russian:

http://chernykh.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/andrei-kirilenko-on-2013-free-agency-brooklyn-and-sergey-karasev/

He is looking for more years primarily.

[Sean Cagney]

AK47 in their sights! Which means a bad sight with the way the AK47 shoots!!!!!!!!!! Which means the commie will not be here, M16 lol.....

BTW I always wanted him here a while back, but now for not the right price, no!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

AK47 in their sights! Which means a bad sight with the way the AK47 shoots!!!!!!!!!! Which means the commie will not be here, M16 lol.....

BTW I always wanted him here a while back, but now for not the right price, no!!!!!!!!!!!

3 years isn't terrible, and he'd be a heck of a trade asset that 3rd year if push comes to shove

[Bruno]

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Wolves_reach_out_to_Chase_Budinger_inquire_about_A lan_Anderson070113

The Wolves have yet to check on forward Andrei Kirilenko, who turned down a guaranteed $10.2 million from the Wolves for 2013-14 in order to opt out of his contract. It's looking more and more likely that the Wolves are fine with seeing Kirilenko walk away after one season with the team.


It's a double good news for Spurs.
First, Kirilenko was reported to have liked playing with Minny and they would have been a serious candidate to re-sign him.
Second, it opens S&T possibilities that could help both Spurs and Wolves. Even if Spurs don't send salary back to Minny, a S&T, because of roster cap holds, will open $0.6M more in cap space than Spurs just signing the player. FO Minny, they would get a TE that could be used in another S&T.

If Spurs really want Kirilenko, I'm quite convinced they can get him and keep Tiago and Manu.

[Redshadows]

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Wolves_reach_out_to_Chase_Budinger_inquire_about_A lan_Anderson070113



It's a double good news for Spurs.
First, Kirilenko was reported to have liked playing with Minny and they would have been a serious candidate to re-sign him.
Second, it opens S&T possibilities that could help both Spurs and Wolves. Even if Spurs don't send salary back to Minny, a S&T, because of roster cap holds, will open $0.6M more in cap space than Spurs just signing the player. FO Minny, they would get a TE that could be used in another S&T.

If Spurs really want Kirilenko, I'm quite convinced they can get him and keep Tiago and Manu.
Good news.

Sign Kirilenko. I don't care it would be Gortat or Splitter.

[SpurSpurSpurs]

I had him on my fantasy basketball team before. I think he can be a good fit, but I still want David West over him.

1. David West
2. Tiago Splitter
3. AK47

[benefactor]

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Wolves_reach_out_to_Chase_Budinger_inquire_about_A lan_Anderson070113



It's a double good news for Spurs.
First, Kirilenko was reported to have liked playing with Minny and they would have been a serious candidate to re-sign him.
Second, it opens S&T possibilities that could help both Spurs and Wolves. Even if Spurs don't send salary back to Minny, a S&T, because of roster cap holds, will open $0.6M more in cap space than Spurs just signing the player. FO Minny, they would get a TE that could be used in another S&T.

If Spurs really want Kirilenko, I'm quite convinced they can get him and keep Tiago and Manu.
:tu

[FireMicoHalili]

Does this guy have any offense at all? For years I've been thinking we need a consistent third option. It's been Tony, then Tim, and then who? Leonard is still young and inconsistent. We need someone seasoned. This is where Ellis sort of makes sense. Chucker, yup, but there might be a way to fix that. Guy can get to the rim with ease.

not hating on AK, but 30% from 3 and just 47% from the field? Doesn't shoot the three well and can't even shoot more than 50% assuming he plays as a four for SAS.

I'd very much prefer someone with knowledge of advanced stats (PER, TS%, etc) to assess which of them is a better fit.

I still have issues with Danny's inconsistency too. Wouldn't mind flipping him for Redick.

[Leetonidas]

Spurs are already a top offensive team, they need someone who can defend Wade when he's going off and Leonard's on LeBron, or vice versa. Having two defenders like Leonard and Kirilenko on the team would seriously boost our perimeter defense which was imo lacking against Miami

[cd98]

His offense may blossom in SA's system. Also, he would take Diaw's spot in the rotation. He's a better scorer than Diaw. Though I like what Diaw brings in post defense and passing. No doubt, though, Kirilinko has an all around game.

[rascal]

4 years 24 million

Way too many years.

[Jordanobili2320]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/228543/Wolves-Have-Four-Year-Offers-To-Both-Redick-Budinger

[Embedded]

He would fill the void left by Stephen Jackson

[SenorSpur]

I like AK a helluva lot more than Omri Casspi, who I was convinced the Spurs somehow manage to sign this summer.

[tuncaboylu]

3 years 18M is OK for me.

[ducks]

3 for 21

[cd98]

I like AK a helluva lot more than Omri Casspi, who I was convinced the Spurs somehow manage to sign this summer.


Casspi has looked a lot worse over the years. He looks painfully slow and unathletic for a small forward. Kirilenko is much better.

[ducks]

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Spurs' interest in Kirilenko serious
By Marc Stein | July 2, 11:10 a.m. ET

San Antonio is facing a fair bit of financial uncertainty in these early days of free agency, not knowing what sort of market restricted free agent Tiago Splitter will command and openly hoping to re-sign Spurs stalwart Manu Ginobili at a greatly reduced rate from last season's $13 million salary.

But sources close to the situation tell ESPN.com that the Spurs are seriously interested in free-agent forward Andrei Kirilenko now that AK-47 has opted out of next season's $10 million contract with Minnesota.

Would the Spurs be willing to let Splitter go and use the resultant financial flexibility to replace him with, say, Kirilenko and a bargain big man like Greg Oden? Interesting concept.

[look_at_g_shred]

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Spurs' interest in Kirilenko serious
By Marc Stein | July 2, 11:10 a.m. ET

San Antonio is facing a fair bit of financial uncertainty in these early days of free agency, not knowing what sort of market restricted free agent Tiago Splitter will command and openly hoping to re-sign Spurs stalwart Manu Ginobili at a greatly reduced rate from last season's $13 million salary.

But sources close to the situation tell ESPN.com that the Spurs are seriously interested in free-agent forward Andrei Kirilenko now that AK-47 has opted out of next season's $10 million contract with Minnesota.

Would the Spurs be willing to let Splitter go and use the resultant financial flexibility to replace him with, say, Kirilenko and a bargain big man like Robin Lopez? Interesting concept.
There. It's fixed.

[Stabula]

Would be good for a reasonable price but I'm not overly excited about the notion.

[ohmwrecker]

Solid backup for Kawai, small ball 4 . . . if he's willing to play on the cheap. Not a player you let Splitter walk for though.

[ducks]

having another guy that can create would so help the spurs
the key to beat the spurs is to stop tp
also tp spends so much energy trying to create for others
will only get worse because manu can not

[look_at_g_shred]

Wonder how much of a advantage it is to have TP as his best friend. Probably slightly. It all comes down to the type of contract we offer.

[Yuixafun]

He could be our new Brent Barry

[Sean Cagney]

Spurs are already a top offensive team, they need someone who can defend Wade when he's going off and Leonard's on LeBron, or vice versa. Having two defenders like Leonard and Kirilenko on the team would seriously boost our perimeter defense which was imo lacking against Miami

Our backup PG was weak though this year, our offense stalled when Tony was out of th game so yes we do need some O too.
He could be our new Brent Barry
Barry was the backup PG and a sharp shooter, different players.
having another guy that can create would so help the spurs
the key to beat the spurs is to stop tp
also tp spends so much energy trying to create for others
will only get worse because manu can not

^^^^^^^^^^^ This.

[FkLA]

Spurs are already a top offensive team, they need someone who can defend Wade when he's going off and Leonard's on LeBron, or vice versa. Having two defenders like Leonard and Kirilenko on the team would seriously boost our perimeter defense which was imo lacking against Miami

Green is more than serviceable as a defender imo. The Spurs are an elite offensive team during the regular season but they had their struggles in the playoffs when Tony sat and Manu was asked to carry the team. We need an explosive 6th man more imo, not necessarily to replace Manu but to replace his role.

[Yuixafun]

I just meant in his looks movements and Swagger, his on court presence from watching that video hi-lights mix... he remind me of Bones.

And for H-E-B commercials.

[Nathan89]

Green is more than serviceable as a defender imo. The Spurs are an elite offensive team during the regular season but they had their struggles in the playoffs when Tony sat and Manu was asked to carry the team. We need an explosive 6th man more imo, not necessarily to replace Manu but to replace his role.

Who do you have in mind?

[FkLA]

Who do you have in mind?

Unpopular opinion but I love the possibility of Ellis in a Spurs uni. Jamal Crawford was considered a cancer at one point as well and hes been great off the bench for LA. Ellis in SA is a 6MOY candidate imho.

[tesseractive]

Barry was the backup PG and a sharp shooter, different players.
They're completely different players, but Barry was also the last real free agent the Spurs brought in, so there's at least a little bit of a comparison.

[monkeypunk]

Unpopular opinion but I love the possibility of Ellis in a Spurs uni. Jamal Crawford was considered a cancer at one point as well and hes been great off the bench for LA. Ellis in SA is a 6MOY candidate imho.


Would be a potent bench but Ellis won't take less money for a bench role.

Chuckers are innately selfish so he'll go to whoever pays him the most.

[tesseractive]

Unpopular opinion but I love the possibility of Ellis in a Spurs uni. Jamal Crawford was considered a cancer at one point as well and hes been great off the bench for LA. Ellis in SA is a 6MOY candidate imho.
Yeah, it always takes me a minute to remember that Crawford isn't horrible anymore. He used to be one of the worst chuckers in the league. :lol

[Nathan89]

Unpopular opinion but I love the possibility of Ellis in a Spurs uni. Jamal Crawford was considered a cancer at one point as well and hes been great off the bench for LA. Ellis in SA is a 6MOY candidate imho.

Difficult to make happen minutes wise if we bring Gino back. Can't see it working out unless Gino is done.

[Nathan89]

That's why the Gortat trade would be so great for the Spurs. He gives us steady post offense all game long making a guard creator less important.

[Yuixafun]

Maybe Manu should just retire from the NBA... he can expend his competitive juices on the National Team.