Manu Update

[ace3g]

Don Harris @DonHarris4
(http://twitter.com/DonHarris4)@manuginobili (http://twitter.com/manuginobili) 's agent Herb Rudoy says nothing cooking with Spurs on day 1. Manu just back from Turks&Caicos. Headed to Argentina next.

[DPG21920]

Hmmm, that's odd. You would expect Manu to be pretty much number on the Spurs to do list.

[coyotes_geek]

Makes sense. Spurs need to see what external FA's they can get and then figure out what kind of deal they need to squeeze Manu into.

[Seventyniner]

No need to hurry. When the Spurs figure out the FAs that are interested, they'll cobble together a plan and see if Manu will take the leftovers. Manu's not a threat to sign anywhere else.

Edit: ninja'd :nope

[Baam]

Meh they probably agreed to give him what's left once they think they have the moves that can make the team better.

[Holden_Caulfield]

they probably had a deal in mind along the line of he'll take whatever we have left after free agency signings. thats what im hoping.

edit. lol everyone is just too fast here.:lol

[DPG21920]

Well, maybe the Spurs and Manu have that type of understanding, CG. If so, then that makes sense. If not though, they would need to know what Manu is looking for so they can have a real range of what they can go after. I really, really doubt they are looking for FA's and will go back to Manu and say "we have x for you only, take it or leave it".

[timtonymanu]

Didnt the Spurs sign Green, Diaw, and Mills first last year before they signed Duncan?

[Poolboy5623]

I would be more concerned and agitated if they had a deal in place for him already..

[Poolboy5623]

Didnt the Spurs sign Green, Diaw, and Mills first last year before they signed Duncan?

Not sure..but different years call for different plans. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors...and Manu is not Timmy(and vice versa)..

[Spur|n|Austin]

Well, maybe the Spurs and Manu have that type of understanding, CG. If so, then that makes sense. If not though, they would need to know what Manu is looking for so they can have a real range of what they can go after. I really, really doubt they are looking for FA's and will go back to Manu and say "we have x for you only, take it or leave it".

I'm thinking they do have the same type of understanding.

He's Manu for crying out loud, it's almost baffling that some people on this board think the Spurs would just cut ties with him for a poor Finals performance. His veteran presence in the locker room is worth the vet min, at least, and I think they at least owe that to him.

[ElNono]

Manu will have a press conference upon arriving in Buenos Aires on July 4th. Hopefully there will be some news by then.

[DPG21920]

Manu will have a press conference upon arriving in Buenos Aires on July 4th. Hopefully there will be some news by then.

Yup. Keep us posted please.

[DPG21920]

I'm thinking they do have the same type of understanding.

He's Manu for crying out loud, it's almost baffling that some people on this board think the Spurs would just cut ties with him for a poor Finals performance. His veteran presence in the locker room is worth the vet min, at least, and I think they at least owe that to him.

I agree and that would be fantastic if they have that understanding and Manu will take what the Spurs have left. If so, major props to Manu.

[RD2191]

Thank god, we need room for Livio.

[coyotes_geek]

Well, maybe the Spurs and Manu have that type of understanding, CG. If so, then that makes sense. If not though, they would need to know what Manu is looking for so they can have a real range of what they can go after. I really, really doubt they are looking for FA's and will go back to Manu and say "we have x for you only, take it or leave it".

I'm thinking more along the lines of how Manu's deal gets structured. For example, if Manu wants 2yrs/$12 mil can you get him to accept 3yrs/$13 to save some capspace this year?

[fundamental9903]

they probably had a deal in mind along the line of he'll take whatever we have left after free agency signings. thats what im hoping.

edit. lol everyone is just too fast here.:lol

Manu has to be signed first cause he's got a $19 million cap hold.

[DPG21920]

I'm thinking more along the lines of how Manu's deal gets structured. For example, if Manu wants 2yrs/$12 mil can you get him to accept 3yrs/$13 to save some capspace this year?

Perhaps, but it doesn't make a ton of sense to spread out the years with Manu like that IMO. Very well could happen though, but then you leave yourself pretty open to insulting Manu and risking him looking else where. It just seems more likely that they want him back and have an understanding of what they can work with. But either way in your scenario quoted, the Spurs and Manu have a number in mind.

Or else it's a sign they aren't sure if the want him back.

[ElNono]

I thought the Spurs can't sign any FAs until July 10th? That should give the team plenty of time to know what's available and what deal makes sense for Manu based on what's out there.

[Spursmania]

Not surprised at all.

[coyotes_geek]

Perhaps, but it doesn't make a ton of sense to spread out the years with Manu like that IMO. Very well could happen though, but then you leave yourself pretty open to insulting Manu and risking him looking else where. It just seems more likely that they want him back and have an understanding of what they can work with. But either way in your scenario quoted, the Spurs and Manu have a number in mind.

Or else it's a sign they aren't sure if the want him back.

I'd think the Spurs and Manu have a professional enough relationship where he wouldn't get offended if the Spurs explained to him what they were trying to accomplish. Whether Manu would be willing to accept something like that would be a different matter, but the idea of trading an extra year or two for a lower initial salary is certainly something the Spurs should take a look at IMO.

[cd98]

My guess is they already have a number more or less and Ginoboli isn't going anywhere else. So they need to focus on signing Splitter and then looking to see what they can get in the free agency market knowing what they'll need more or less to resign Ginoboli.

[DPG21920]

I thought the Spurs can't sign any FAs until July 10th? That should give the team plenty of time to know what's available and what deal makes sense for Manu based on what's out there.

July 10th is correct. But let's say the haven't spoken with Manu, but they talk to Tiago (and say they will match an offer above the cap hold for him) and they talk to AK and offer 8M per year, they then have to go to Manu and say "take it or leave it" unless like CG said, they add on years with lower salary to make up for it.

[look_at_g_shred]

My guess is they already have a number more or less and Ginoboli isn't going anywhere else. So they need to focus on signing Splitter and then looking to see what they can get in the free agency market knowing what they'll need more or less to resign Ginoboli.
The most realistic idea. It makes sense.

[Mugen]

July 10th is correct. But let's say the haven't spoken with Manu, but they talk to Tiago (and say they will match an offer above the cap hold for him) and they talk to AK and offer 8M per year, they then have to go to Manu and say "take it or leave it" unless like CG said, they add on years with lower salary to make up for it.

Seems like the Spurs and Manu have a range in mind for the new contract. Doubt the Spurs would position themselves in a situation where the above scenario occurs.

[DPG21920]

I agree.

[TheGoldStandard]

They're gonna offer him a 2/12 Million deal.

[ElNono]

July 10th is correct. But let's say the haven't spoken with Manu, but they talk to Tiago (and say they will match an offer above the cap hold for him) and they talk to AK and offer 8M per year, they then have to go to Manu and say "take it or leave it" unless like CG said, they add on years with lower salary to make up for it.

I would suspect they'll run the numbers and make sure they get all the parties to agree before extending offer sheets, provided they really want Manu back. What CG said is certainly one way to tweak the numbers to make everything fit.

[TMTTRIO]

We don't even know for sure if he'll continue to play. I'm still kind of hoping Manu's wife will somehow still talk him into retirement while their on vacation not because I don't like him but I hate to see him end it this badly .

[DPG21920]

It definitely is, but just seems odd that you would do that and take those risks if you know for sure you want him back. But this is very likely something where the Spurs and Manu have an understanding. You don't just bolt during FA if you aren't confident you know what is going to happen :lol

[ElNono]

It definitely is, but just seems odd that you would do that and take those risks if you know for sure you want him back. But this is very likely something where the Spurs and Manu have an understanding. You don't just bolt during FA if you aren't confident you know what is going to happen :lol

I'm inclined to agree. But honestly, who the heck knows what's going through the FO minds.

[Chinook]

July 10th is correct. But let's say the haven't spoken with Manu, but they talk to Tiago (and say they will match an offer above the cap hold for him) and they talk to AK and offer 8M per year, they then have to go to Manu and say "take it or leave it" unless like CG said, they add on years with lower salary to make up for it.

This part is a pretty small concern, all things considered. The team would have at least until the 13th of July before his cap number would increase in a new deal. So that's plenty of time to re-sign Ginobili and sign Kirilenko. With the moratorium and matching time, they don't really have to ear mark any more money than his cap hold. The only way it would make sense to go for a deal sooner would be if he was going to start at less than his cap hold, which is certainly possible. But that only helps the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

This part is a pretty small concern, all things considered. The team would have at least until the 13th of July before his cap number would increase in a new deal. So that's plenty of time to re-sign Ginobili and sign Kirilenko. With the moratorium and matching time, they don't really have to ear mark any more money than his cap hold. The only way it would make sense to go for a deal sooner would be if he was going to start at less than his cap hold, which is certainly possible. But that only helps the Spurs.

That is what I was hinting at. If he takes less than the cap hold, that free's up more money

[slick'81]

Soo manu isn't signed day1 and were freaking out lol

[TheGreatYacht]

LMAO at those of you that want to offer Manu a 3 year $18 million contract. He'll by 39 years old by then. Can you guys make your love for Manu any more obvious? At his age, Manu deserves the veteran's minimum because that's what he is worth.

[TheGreatYacht]

We don't even know for sure if he'll continue to play. I'm still kind of hoping Manu's wife will somehow still talk him into retirement while their on vacation not because I don't like him but I hate to see him end it this badly .I'm praying this happens.

[Jwash_1986]

LMAO at those of you that want to offer Manu a 3 year $18 million contract. He'll by 39 years old by then. Can you guys make your love for Manu any more obvious? At his age, Manu deserves the veteran's minimum because that's what he is worth.
And fuck it lets sign D-Rob to a 2yr $20mil contract and Avery Johnson to a vet min.