Spurs are in serious negotiations with #Suns to acquire Marcin Gortat

[ace3g]

Jordan Schultz @Schultz_Report
(http://twitter.com/Schultz_Report)New NBA info: Source tells me that the #Spurs (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Spurs) are in serious negotiations with #Suns (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Suns) to acquire Marcin Gortat...




Jordan Schultz @Schultz_Report
(http://twitter.com/Schultz_Report)Source: Spurs-Suns deal 4 Gortat would either be n a Splitter sign-and-trade or Diaw/filler. Suns get at least a 2014 1st rounder either way

[Floyd Pacquiao]

holy shit

[Texas_Ranger]

So the Spurs don't really like Tiago....

[coyotes_geek]

:wow

SOLD!

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Spurs seem really busy this offseason

[TE]

Diaw back in PHO?

:lol DOK gon be mad

[G-Nob]

See ya, Tiago. :depressed

[Drachen]

Sign and trade splitter, keep draw.

[Holden_Caulfield]

can it be a 2015 first rounder instead

[UZER]

Great...another RJ. Well all hate him in a year.

[DisAsTerBot]

not bad...

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Didn't see that one coming but I think I like it.

At least he'll rebound the ball is my first thought.

Kirilenko could upgrade Diaw.

[Jumi]

:lol Duncan must've threaten to put his foot in somebody's ass if they didn't get him back to the Finals! Lol!

[TE]

Sucks for tiago situation wise

[Monkeyboy14]

who would you rather lose though.. splitter or diaw?

[spursince#99]

HELL FUCKING YEAH

[Chinook]

BOOM.

[timvp]

Holy sh!t.

[Nathan89]

This would be perfect. Screw Splitter. The only big teams in the league aren't very quick anyways. Zbo/Marc,KG/Lopez,Hibbert/West. If we add AK the perimeter defense will be fine.

[spursince#99]

who would you rather lose though.. splitter or diaw?


If we're acquiring Gortat, definitely Splitter.

[Chinook]

Although a Duncan, Splitter, Gortat and Baynes big rotation would be pretty stiff.

Also, I'd have to see what the other two teams would be. This screams of the Spurs getting another player back along with Splitter.

I also don't think the pick is going to come from San Antonio. Probably Portland. Robinson could be on the move already...

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Splitter definitely. Please not Diaw.

[RD2191]

I lied, I don't want Splitter to go. :cry

[Monkeyboy14]

If we're acquiring Gortat, definitely Splitter.
yeeah i just remembered there play in the finals haha we can drop splitter if this goes through

[Mikeanaro]

I guess Tiago will be out of touch, we are out of time, pop is out of his head when he is not around
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/R7fiQU0kFHs/0.jpg

[DesignatedT]

yes please.

[ace3g]

Jordan Schultz @Schultz_Report
(http://twitter.com/Schultz_Report)New Suns GM Ryan McDonough LOVES Alex Len. Saw him in a gym when he was 17. Suns want to stockpile and Len can play immediately.

[look_at_g_shred]

KEEP DIAW!!!!!!!!!!!

[DPG21920]

:wow strange. If it's for Tiago, Gortat makes about as much as Tiago would (assuming he doesn't get some massive offer). I like Gortat, very talented (more offensive prowess than Tiago), but giving up a first and Tiago for him?

If it's Boris+Filler from a talent perspective that is much better but do you S&T Splitter for something else if that happens? Keep both?

[timtonymanu]

Wow

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Gortat is 6'11 right?

[Mugen]

Wow.

[coyotes_geek]

Gortat has 1 year left on his deal at $7.7 mil.

[racm]

Outright S&T for an expiring deal (just as Duncan's deal comes up with a PO).

[DesignatedT]

Gives the Spurs flexibility again next off-season.

[T Park]

Not a fan of this if it happens. Gortat is terrible defensively, good offensively, but it's a step back.

Not big on losing Diaw either.

[Mugen]

I'm an unabashed Splitter homer but I could be swayed on a Diaw/Tiago for AK/Gortat swap tbh.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

If they're willing to throw in a first rounder, they probably are still keeping the cap space this summer.

[Leetonidas]

Gortat is a bigger pussy than Splitter imho

[spursince#99]

KEEP DIAW. ANY MEANS NECESSARY

[Mugen]

It's looking more and more like the Spurs have given up on paying Tiago this summer.

[loveforthegame]

Damn. Didn't see that coming.

[DPG21920]

Good news is that Gortat's salary almost matches Tiago's cap hold so the Spurs would still have all the cap space they could expect, plus Gortat is expiring next year.

[Man In Black]

Who the fuck is the Schultz Report?

[ElNono]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2ez6vz5.jpg

[TE]

Gortat is a meaner version of Splitter. The dude can finish around the rim.

[DPG21920]

Gortat is a bigger pussy than Splitter imho

Nah, at least not around the rim offensively.

[marinoman]

the polish hammer and diaw, no splitter


Even if no Gortat, no Splitter for that money

[spursince#99]

Not a fan of this if it happens. Gortat is terrible defensively, good offensively, but it's a step back.

Not big on losing Diaw either.


Gortat is terrible defensively? Another +/- guy huh? :lol

[coyotes_geek]

In the Diaw + filler scenario, Bonner's salary appears to line up nicely.

[Libri]

Although a Duncan, Splitter, Gortat and Baynes big rotation would be pretty stiff.

Also, I'd have to see what the other two teams would be. This screams of the Spurs getting another player back along with Splitter.

I also don't think the pick is going to come from San Antonio. Probably Portland. Robinson could be on the move already...

A small forward to back up Leonard would be nice.

[TE]

Yeah, don't give up Boris. Give em a pick instead.

[DPG21920]

In the Diaw + filler scenario, Bonner's salary appears to line up nicely.

That would be incredibly cheap to acquire Gortat :wow. That would be expiring for expiring(s) and a late first rounder? Great value.

[objective]

My immediate reaction:

Terrible idea. Gortat at his salary isn't a better deal than Splitter. Even giving up Diaw . . . Gortat is a crybaby who pouts without touches or starts for that matter.

And just as important . . . the 2014 first? For a one-year rental of Gortat? That's not worth it. The 2014 first is better used on other players or deals than the likes of Gortat.

[Big Empty]

great, ive never even heard of him..

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Do y'all think gortat can guard bigs and play pick n roll D as good as tiago?

[ElNono]

Another scenario would be the Spurs having this in the backburner as Splitter insurance?

[DPG21920]

In either scenario, Spurs get all their cap space we have been discussing with our assumptions.

Imagine the same roster as last year but instead you subtract Blair/Boris/Bonner/Neal and add Gortat/AK47 :wow stackkeeeeeeddddddddddddd

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Tbh, I bet Gortat is fueling with anger and motivation to get back at OKC for this. Bring him on.

7qCVk4WcPZw

[RD2191]

Keep Diaw.

[Buddy Holly]

LMAO at the grey's that don't like this trade or have never heard of Marcin.

[marinoman]

to me gortat is a better rim protecter and finisher around the basket than tiago

[ThaBigFundamental21]

So you really think Gortat is better than Splitter? This makes me really nervous. Seems like a lateral move at best.

[spursince#99]

Do y'all think gortat can guard bigs and play pick n roll D as good as tiago?


He's better at guarding bigs, but as far as pick and roll? I'd have to say no, but it wouldn't be a huge drop off, imo.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[CitizenDwayne]

Wow...just today I was saying keep Splitter but wasn't expecting an offer as good as this.

Do it. Pull the trigger.

[G-Nob]

Man, I'd hate to lose that Diaw b-ball IQ...

[Budkin]

OH FUCK YES!!!

[timvp]

Quick thoughts:

-:wow

-Gortat has one year and $7,727,280 left. Considering that Splitter's starting salary would likely be more than that and would extend multiple years, Gortat is the more valuable commodity.

-Gortat is a much better rebounder and shotblocker. Plus, you can't put a midget like Derek Fisher on him and get away with it. That said, Splitter is the better passer and he's proven to be able to play next to Duncan.

-If everything were even ......... I miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight go with Splitter still. But Gortat's small, short-term contract makes him more valuable.

-The Spurs upside with Gortat would be higher. I question his fit next to Duncan a bit and he's not a natural fit in the Spurs offense ... but if he figures it out and the fit is right, the Spurs would be improved.

-Defensively, it's difficult to compare the two. Splitter is probably better defending the post, while Gortat defends the rim better. I'd say Splitter is probably the better defender in the regular season but his defense tends to shrivel up in the bright lights, so the difference might be negligible.

-Splitter and a first rounder for Gortat? It wouldn't be a great deal but the Spurs would probably have to do it. It'd be a potential upgrade. It'd give the team a higher ceiling. It gives the team more salary flexibility going forward. Next year in the playoffs, the Spurs might be able to survive against an elite team with Duncan off the court ... which hasn't been the case with Splitter the last two years.

-Diaw for Gortat? Hmmmm ... I'm not sure if I like that better or not. I guess if AK47 is a reality, then it looks good:

C: Gortat
PF: Duncan
SF: Leonard
SG: Green
PG: Parker

Off the bench, AK47 can backup both forward spots. Ginobili can backup SG and any extra SF minutes. Joseph at PG. Backup center obviously filled by Duncan when Gortat is out.

-Would it make sense to try to get Gortat AND Splitter? No, I don't think so. With so many small ball teams, that's 14-feet of center that would be watching from the sideline during too many series.

[DesignatedT]

Gortat is a bigger pussy than Splitter imho

I like Tiago and all but no bro.

[spursince#99]

LMAO at the grey's that don't like this trade or have never heard of Marcin.

I should totally be bolded. :lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

So you really think Gortat is better than Splitter? This makes me really nervous. Seems like a lateral move at best.

Lateral move that saves them money tbh.

[spurspokesman]

I'd be pissed if they give up diaw. Dude balled for us against lebron

[Chinook]

I think people are reading this wrong. This is a multi-team deal. The Spurs aren't giving up Splitter AND the first. They're giving up Splitter to a third team, who'd give the first to Phoenix. Then the Suns give Gortat to the Spurs.

It's possible that the Spurs and Suns aren't even the main players in this deal. This could all be part of a Aldridge to Chicago deal or something.

[spursince#99]

Quick thoughts:

-:wow

-Gortat has one year and $7,727,280 left. Considering that Splitter's starting salary would likely be more than that and would extend multiple years, Gortat is the more valuable commodity.

-Gortat is a much better rebounder and shotblocker. Plus, you can't put a midget like Derek Fisher on him and get away with it. That said, Splitter is the better passer and he's proven to be able to play next to Duncan.

-If everything were even ......... I miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight go with Splitter still. But Gortat's small, short-term contract makes him more valuable.

-The Spurs upside with Gortat would be higher. I question his fit next to Duncan a bit and he's not a natural fit in the Spurs offense ... but if he figures it out and the fit is right, the Spurs would be improved.

-Defensively, it's difficult to compare the two. Splitter is probably better defending the post, while Gortat defends the rim better. I'd say Splitter is probably the better defender in the regular season but his defense tends to shrivel up in the bright lights, so the difference might be negligible.

-Splitter and a first rounder for Gortat? It wouldn't be a great deal but the Spurs would probably have to do it. It'd be a potential upgrade. It'd give the team a higher ceiling. It gives the team more salary flexibility going forward. Next year in the playoffs, the Spurs might be able to survive against an elite team with Duncan off the court ... which hasn't been the case with Splitter the last two years.

-Diaw for Gortat? Hmmmm ... I'm not sure if I like that better or not. I guess if AK47 is a reality, then it looks good:

C: Gortat
PF: Duncan
SF: Leonard
SG: Green
PG: Parker

Off the bench, AK47 can backup both forward spots. Ginobili can backup SG and any extra SF minutes. Joseph at PG. Backup center obviously filled by Duncan when Gortat is out.

-Would it make sense to try to get Gortat AND Splitter? No, I don't think so. With so many small ball teams, that's 14-feet of center that would be watching from the sideline during too many series.



Timvp, one underrated facet of Gortat's game is that he can hit the 15 footer.

[CitizenDwayne]

If this went through, that "oh shit" feeling whenever Duncan leaves the court would disappear, imo. Another big that can rebound would be so damn refreshing.

[KL2]

Gortat is a beast, well whenever he plays SA he is, one of the most underrated guys in the league.

I really hope SA doesn't trade Diaw though, what are the chances they trade Bonner? I'd imagine his stock is much higher considering his ability to shoot 3's..,

[Nathan89]

:wow strange. If it's for Tiago, Gortat makes about as much as Tiago would (assuming he doesn't get some massive offer). I like Gortat, very talented (more offensive prowess than Tiago), but giving up a first and Tiago for him?


We have to make the improvement through a big man on offense because of how the team is set up. Kawhi the majority of sf minutes so no difference maker will sign behind him, sg is taken by Green and Gino, and Tony does the same as Kawhi for the pg position.

Doing everything possible for this year is more important than a late 1st rounder.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Keep Diaw too. He really helped us in the Finals.

[coyotes_geek]

Another scenario would be the Spurs having this in the backburner as Splitter insurance?

Perhaps. Another possibility is the Spurs just making a play for one more shot at a title and then blowing it all up. Spurs might not want to have Splitter's contract around for a rebuild.

[DPG21920]

Quick thoughts:

-:wow

-Gortat has one year and $7,727,280 left. Considering that Splitter's starting salary would likely be more than that and would extend multiple years, Gortat is the more valuable commodity.

-Gortat is a much better rebounder and shotblocker. Plus, you can't put a midget like Derek Fisher on him and get away with it. That said, Splitter is the better passer and he's proven to be able to play next to Duncan.

-If everything were even ......... I miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight go with Splitter still. But Gortat's small, short-term contract makes him more valuable.

-The Spurs upside with Gortat would be higher. I question his fit next to Duncan a bit and he's not a natural fit in the Spurs offense ... but if he figures it out and the fit is right, the Spurs would be improved.

-Defensively, it's difficult to compare the two. Splitter is probably better defending the post, while Gortat defends the rim better. I'd say Splitter is probably the better defender in the regular season but his defense tends to shrivel up in the bright lights, so the difference might be negligible.

-Splitter and a first rounder for Gortat? It wouldn't be a great deal but the Spurs would probably have to do it. It'd be a potential upgrade. It'd give the team a higher ceiling. It gives the team more salary flexibility going forward. Next year in the playoffs, the Spurs might be able to survive against an elite team with Duncan off the court ... which hasn't been the case with Splitter the last two years.

-Diaw for Gortat? Hmmmm ... I'm not sure if I like that better or not. I guess if AK47 is a reality, then it looks good:

C: Gortat
PF: Duncan
SF: Leonard
SG: Green
PG: Parker

Off the bench, AK47 can backup both forward spots. Ginobili can backup SG and any extra SF minutes. Joseph at PG. Backup center obviously filled by Duncan when Gortat is out.

-Would it make sense to try to get Gortat AND Splitter? No, I don't think so. With so many small ball teams, that's 14-feet of center that would be watching from the sideline during too many series.

Just look at it like this:

Spurs would have simply swapped Bonner/Blair/Neal/Boris for AK47/Gortat. The ceiling is higher and now you have a lot more tradeable assets (Gortat expiring, Tiago a talented big man...). Plus you have so many options to go big and punish tiny teams at all times.

[temujin]

Gortat was a big reason why Dwight Howard's team made it to the Finals.

[DesignatedT]

Would rather keep Diaw.
S&T Tiago and a first for Gortat
Amnesty Bonner
Sign AK
Re-Sign Manu.
See what's next.

[DPG21920]

We have to make the improvement through a big man on offense because of how the team is set up. Kawhi the majority of sf minutes so no difference maker will sign behind him, sg is taken by Green and Gino, and Tony does the same as Kawhi for the pg position.

Doing everything possible for this year is more important than a late 1st rounder.

I agree. Especially since it will be a late first.

[Budkin]

For Splitter yes, but not for Diaw... he was huge in the playoffs.

[DesignatedT]

dp

[rjv]

this is believable if you juxtapose it to RC's public lament regarding the highly unlikely scenario of tiago developing a post up game that would occasionally draw a double team.

[Nathan89]

Spurs doing everything possible to not resign Splitter.

People on board with bringing him back.:lmao

[elemento]

The major difference between Gortat and Tiago is the fact that Marcin has a jump-shot. He is a really good P&R player and a much better rebounder.

I like the move tbh. I'd rather keep Boris instead of Splitter btw.

[Texas_Ranger]

Would rather keep Diaw.
S&T Tiago and a first for Gortat
Amnesty Bonner
Sign AK
Re-Sign Manu.
See what's next.

this

[DPG21920]

Would rather keep Diaw.
S&T Tiago and a first for Gortat
Amnesty Bonner
Sign AK
Re-Sign Manu.
See what's next.

I don't know. I'd think I would rather have TP/Manu/Kawhi/Tim/Tiago/Gortat/AK47 than TP/Manu/Kawhi/Tim/Gortat/Boris/AK47

[temujin]

For Splitter yes, but not for Diaw... he was huge in the playoffs.

Absolutely.
No Diaw.
Splitter can go.

[Chinook]

And who in their right mind thinks that Splitter and a first would be a good deal for Gortat? Splitter's as valuable by himself (and even more so on a long-term deal). If anything, Phoenix would need to add sweeteners.

[DPG21920]

To me, having TP/Green/Kawhi/Tim/Gortat starting and a bench of Manu/AK47/Tiago off the bench is more enticing than having Boris in that bench unit.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Splitter can GTFO. He allowed Lebron to embarrass not only himself, but the entire organization. You put up with Tiago's weakness if you have no other choice, but if you have options, Tiago is unforgivably soft.

[HI-FI]

lol I just saw this on Project spurs and stopped by here. I'd love to get Gortat on this team, but don't want to get rid of Diaw, as already mentioned.

[monkeypunk]

I don't know. I'd think I would rather have TP/Manu/Kawhi/Tim/Tiago/Gortat/AK47 than TP/Manu/Kawhi/Tim/Gortat/Boris/AK47

Disagree, Splits can pass but Boris can create and he can defend the hybrid 3/4s.

Much rather keep Boris than Splits if getting back Gortat.

[DMX7]

They can have Splitter.

[ace3g]

In either scenario, Spurs get all their cap space we have been discussing with our assumptions.

Imagine the same roster as last year but instead you subtract Blair/Boris/Bonner/Neal and add Gortat/AK47 :wow stackkeeeeeeddddddddddddd


Next season will probably be addition by subtraction in terms of our roster. Certain players that have run their course will be gone which is one of the main reasons I was pissed we didn't win it all because I knew our team would be better next season just from certain players not being on the roster the following season.

[timvp]

I don't know. I'd think I would rather have TP/Manu/Kawhi/Tim/Tiago/Gortat/AK47 than TP/Manu/Kawhi/Tim/Gortat/Boris/AK47

The Spurs are never going to have TD, Splitter and Gortat under contract at the same time.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

to me gortat is a better rim protecter and finisher around the basket than tiago

Yes I think so too. I mean his HANDS ARE MUCH STRONGER than Splitter's lol.

He can also make cuts to the basket, maybe better or different if you will, than the Manu-Splitter combo that didn't really work against good teams in the playoffs. He was certainly very good with Nash in pick and roll. He can catch the ball on the move and finish at the rim in one motion.

He even has a jump shot AND he is a good rebounder.

I'm not sure he is bad on D either and playing with Duncan should improve things even further. Sure he struggles getting out to shots on the perimiter (Spurs just go small when that becomes a serious issue) but other than that he has good athleticism on D. Defends space well and I remember in the lockout season he was third in the NBA taking charges + he blocks shots.

[bklynspursfan]

From what I saw on twitter this guy who tweeted this is the same who inked Dwight to the Mavs. Which I guess is still a possibility but take it with a grain of salt.

[Mugen]

A S&T for Splitter doesn't make any sense for PHX unless they're completely in love with him. Why give him a multi-year deal at 8-10mil per when they are in rebuilding mode? He's roughly the same age as Gortat, same level of skills, but at more years and more money.

A late first rounder or some other filler doesn't really make sense for PHX to do this deal considering that a) Gortat is an expiring b) they could likely get a lot more from him during the trade deadline.

Hard to imagine PHX being this dumb tbh....

[Chinook]

I think people are reading this wrong. This is a multi-team deal. The Spurs aren't giving up Splitter AND the first. They're giving up Splitter to a third team, who'd give the first to Phoenix. Then the Suns give Gortat to the Spurs.

It's possible that the Spurs and Suns aren't even the main players in this deal. This could all be part of a Aldridge to Chicago deal or something.

EDIT: I guess I was reading it wrong. Damn people using 4 instead of "for." I'd hate the deal as presently constructed. Absolutely hate it.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs are never going to have TD, Splitter and Gortat under contract at the same time.

Why tbh? As of now, Gortat makes the same as Boris/Bonner combined and expires the same time.

[spurspokesman]

For Splitter yes, but not for Diaw... he was huge in the playoffs. This

[Mugen]

Yeah, there's no way the Spurs basically have four 7 footers on the same team next season. Not in today's NBA. If Gortat is coming then Splitter is gone.

[coyotes_geek]

Important to note that while the decision to trade Diaw for Gortat would be up to the Spurs, trading Splitter for Gortat is up to Splitter.

[BatManu20]

Gives the Spurs flexibility again next off-season.

This. That would be the main benefactor of this deal.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs are never going to have TD, Splitter and Gortat under contract at the same time.

So if they trade for Gortat using Boris/Filler, you think they S&T Tiago for something else or just let him walk?

[LakerHater]

From what I saw on twitter this guy who tweeted this is the same who inked Dwight to the Mavs. Which I guess is still a possibility but take it with a grain of salt.

Yeah its in the 2013 General Free Agent Signings/News and Trades (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218795&goto=newpost) Thread!

Dunno Why we have that thread it everyone makes a new thread evry time news pops up!

[timvp]

Why tbh?


Yeah, there's no way the Spurs basically have four 7 footers on the same team next season. Not in today's NBA. If Gortat is coming then Splitter is gone.

[temujin]

A S&T for Splitter doesn't make any sense for PHX unless they're completely in love with him. Why give him a multi-year deal at 8-10mil per when they are in rebuilding mode? He's roughly the same age as Gortat, same level of skills, but at more years and more money.

A late first rounder or some other filler doesn't really make sense for PHX to do this deal considering that a) Gortat is an expiring b) they could likely get a lot more from him during the trade deadline.

Hard to imagine PHX being this dumb tbh....

Well the Knicks just traded for one of the worst players in the league and his 22 M contract.....

[DPG21920]

Important to note that while the decision to trade Diaw for Gortat would be up to the Spurs, trading Splitter for Gortat is up to Splitter.

Exactly. Also, since Gortat is expiring, you are essentially trading Boris/Bonner for Gortat (assuming Bonner is the filler) and not adding extra money short or long term.

[TD 21]

-Gortat has one year and $7,727,280 left. Considering that Splitter's starting salary would likely be more than that and would extend multiple years, Gortat is the more valuable commodity.

Yeah, but a year from now they'd be in the same position with him that they're in with Splitter now. Granted, if they like him better, then maybe they wouldn't care to give him something in the neighborhood of 3/$25M.


C: Gortat
PF: Duncan
SF: Leonard
SG: Green
PG: Parker

Off the bench, AK47 can backup both forward spots. Ginobili can backup SG and any extra SF minutes. Joseph at PG. Backup center obviously filled by Duncan when Gortat is out.

On the one hand, I don't believe that Gortat and Duncan can play together on a consistent basis, since neither can guard PF's, other than in select match-ups . . . but on the other hand, Gortat is too good to limit to roughly 18 mpg backing up Duncan.

Still, I'd go with Kirilenko at PF, Duncan at C and Gortat and Diaw as the backup bigs. Or, just start either Gortat or Kirilenko depending on the match-up.


-Would it make sense to try to get Gortat AND Splitter? No, I don't think so. With so many small ball teams, that's 14-feet of center that would be watching from the sideline during too many series.

Agreed. Fifteen years ago it might have, but the way the game is played today, not a chance.

[Chinook]

So if they trade for Gortat using Boris/Filler, you think they S&T Tiago for something else or just let him walk?

Probably wait and see how it goes. By moving Diaw, they'd actually get a little cap space by letting Splitter walk. But a trade exception would be really valuable to them both throughout this season and during the draft next season.

[Mark in Austin]

hmmm. How is Gortat injury-wise? Looks like he only played 60 something games last year.

[DPG21920]

So if you trade for Gortat using Boris + Filler (say Bonner), what do you do with Tiago then?

[spursince#99]

So if they trade for Gortat using Boris/Filler, you think they S&T Tiago for something else or just let him walk?


That is actually a solid idea.

[coyotes_geek]

So if they trade for Gortat using Boris/Filler, you think they S&T Tiago for something else or just let him walk?

I'm sure they'd try to S&T him, but realistically Splitter would just go sign an offer sheet somewhere else and the Spurs wouldn't match.

[picnroll]

Trade Diaw for Gortat and S&T Splitter for Kirilenko. Ninny can then S&T Pekovic.

[ChumpDumper]

Was more excited about Ellis tbh.

[dougp]

Important to note that while the decision to trade Diaw for Gortat would be up to the Spurs, trading Splitter for Gortat is up to Splitter.

Splitter is a RFA since the Spurs put in an offer, so technically the Spurs still have his balls in their hands because they can match an offer if they want.

[DPG21920]

I'm sure they'd try to S&T him, but realistically Splitter would just go sign an offer sheet somewhere else and the Spurs wouldn't match.

I get having TD/Gortat/Splitter is a bit odd, but losing an asset for nothing? When you can have the best bench in the NBA?

[mudyez]

just posted something like "get rid of Splitter+Neal+Blair and get Oden, AK47, resign Manu" somwhere else...

switch Oden with Gortat and I'm one happy Spurs fan.

[Chinook]

So if you trade for Gortat using Boris + Filler (say Bonner), what do you do with Tiago then?

I'd hope he goes to Atlanta so I could get a TE back.

I'd just really, really hate this deal. Unless Splitter can be moved to recoup the pick and/or get a young player or two back. Then it's a great deal.

[objective]

Gortat goes up soft himself plenty of times, and has his share of dumb plays. PHX fans have had it out for him for awhile.

And

Why is this linked to AK like it's some kind of package deal? It's not afaik. Counting on AK to be on this team with or without Gortat/Splitter isn't something I'd be in on.

[coyotes_geek]

Splitter is a RFA since the Spurs put in an offer, so technically the Spurs still have his balls in their hands because they can match an offer if they want.

Not when it comes to a Gortat deal. If Splitter doesn't want to go to Phoenix, the Spurs can't S&T him there against his will.

[timvp]

The source on this looks pretty iffy so I'd hold off on ordering a Gortat jersey.

The more I think about it, the more this type of trade would make sense only after the Spurs sign AK47.

[TheGreatYacht]

I DO NOT WANT THIS TRADE! MARCIN GORTAT IS A TERRIBLE DEFENDER. PLEASE RC AND POP... DON'T DO IT. I RATHER KEEP TIAGO SPLITTER. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-marcin-gortat-most-overrated-player-phoenix-suns-204200365.html http://www.examiner.com/article/phoenix-suns-defensive-analysis-of-starters-marcin-gortat-part-1-of-3 http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2012/11/30/3709922/marcin-gortat-phoenix-suns-best-defender-playing-like-one-of-its-worst

[spursince#99]

The more I think about it, the more I'm content with keeping Splitter.

[Chinook]

Trade Diaw for Gortat and S&T Splitter for Kirilenko. Ninny can then S&T Pekovic.

That's sort of a waste of cap space/exceptions. The Spurs could sign AK, trade Diaw for Gortat and then trade Splitter for whatever (possibly a $8 Million trade exception) as opposed to the team using its cap space on taking back the overages from the trades. Plus, the team loses the chance to get assets for Splitter.

[DesignatedT]

I get having TD/Gortat/Splitter is a bit odd, but losing an asset for nothing? When you can have the best bench in the NBA?

I mean technically this could work pretty well. Everyone would have to be willing to sacrifice a little to work together down there but keeping the SL intact and then bringing Gortat off the bench as the big every night could be pretty good. AK coming off the bench at the 4 position.

Don't see the Spurs going for it though. Not sure how Gortat/Splitter would look together on the court.

[sexinthatsx]

Have you guys even watched Gortat play on the Suns? The guy was pretty decent with pick and rolls when Nash was on the team, and same when Goran was running it. It won't be a really big dropoff compared to Splitter. The only problem about Gortat is his help defense though.

[TheyCallMePro]

We wanted Howard and you give us Gortat.

Damn you Pop. Damnnnnnnn youuuuuu!

[HemisfairArena]

Maybe the front office is using their heads and not their hearts and its about time. In with Kirilenko and Gortat...out with Manu and Splitter.

[Johnny RIngo]

Rasho Nesterovic 2.0

[ChumpDumper]

So either the Spurs are close to standing pat or turning over half the roster.

[Sobe_Kucks]

"One day after the Phoenix Suns drafted Alex Len with the fifth pick in the NBA draft, Marcin Gortat was assured by the organization that it has no plan to trade him – for now – and might want to make him part of the future, his agent Guy Zucker told RealGM. After the draft, Gortat had understood the Suns’ clear transition into retooling the roster, leading to belief a trade would be beneficial to both sides. Yet, Suns coach Jeff Hornacek said Thursday that Gortat would fill a mentoring role for Len. “It’s clear they are in a rebuild and they drafted a center, so [a trade] would make sense, but for now they want to hold onto him,” Zucker said Friday afternoon. “As with everything in the league, it should be stated: As of today.” RealGM

Like anythign else you have to take these rumors with a grain of salt. Most people on here are thinking this is a really good deal for the Spurs. BUt what's in it for Phoneix? WHy would they want Tiago so badly when they drafted their center of the future and are rebuilding. Do they view Tiago as a stop-gap until Alex Len develops? Just doens't seem like there's a lot in it for the Suns. Tell me I'm wrong please! I like Tiago but wouldn't mind seeing the Spurs avoid overpaying 8.5-10MM for Tiago because PORtland or someone else drives the price up. Like most, I think it would be especially good if we could hold on to Diaw and target AK as well.

[TheGreatYacht]

Do y'all think gortat can guard bigs and play pick n roll D as good as tiago?NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe the front office is using their heads and not their hearts and its about time. In with Kirilenko and Gortat...out with Manu and Splitter.Letting Manu go would not be using one's head.

[Chinook]

Also, why would the Suns want Splitter? If they're trading Gortat because they believe Len can be the starting five, why would they shell out big bucks just to have Tiago come off the bench?

[Mugen]

Also, makes you think how big of a locker room issue Gortat was last year if the Suns are willing to do this? Neither Diaw or Splitter makes much sense for a rebuilding team unless the Spurs are throwing Kawhi in there tbh.

I could see this trade going down if the Spurs know that POR or some other team is about to offer stupid money to Tiago, in which case they'd let him walk and then S&T Diaw/fillers for Gortat.

If the Spurs could do a Diaw/Bonner/Neal for Gortat/Dudley deal, sign AK, and re-sign Manu then this would have been the best offseason in Spurs history tbh.

[spurraider21]

i'm fine with a splitter for gortat deal.

[michaelwcho]

I don't get the jubilation about this rather lame, Jefferson-esque idea. You want this guy because Tiago played bad against the Heat? Gortat has scored 2.8 pts per game in the playoffs. 0.5 blocks a game.

Pretty good playoff win score, though. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gortama01.html

[Nathan89]

The source on this looks pretty iffy so I'd hold off on ordering a Gortat jersey.

The more I think about it, the more this type of trade would make sense only after the Spurs sign AK47.

Bro don't crush the offseason high. Let us have these few moments.

[Baam]

The source doesn't look reliable at all. He also says Dwight is signing with Dallas...

[Embedded]

I like Gortat, he has more fierceness than Mr. Splitter. I want them both.

[benefactor]

I'll wait until someone I trust better as a source confirms it.

[timvp]

Gortat goes up soft himself plenty of times, and has his share of dumb plays.Splitter is softer -- I like him and think he's worth a good amount of money -- but he's softer than Gortat.

But, yeah, Splitter is a lot smarter than Gortat.


Why is this linked to AK like it's some kind of package deal?

IMO, you can trade Splitter for Gortat if you're adding the flexibility lineup-wise that AK47 gives you. Without AK47, I'd hesitate on this deal because Gortat is a 5 and Splitter is a 5/4. Without an upgrade at 4, this trade would be pretty damn risky.

[ChumpDumper]

If Tiago is in the trade it seems like a third team would have to be involved. A one year transition is close to perfect for Len's development.

[spursince#99]

Have you guys even watched Gortat play on the Suns? The guy was pretty decent with pick and rolls when Nash was on the team, and same when Goran was running it. It won't be a really big dropoff compared to Splitter. The only problem about Gortat is his help defense though.

Same statement I made.

[ace3g]

The source on this looks pretty iffy so I'd hold off on ordering a Gortat jersey.

The more I think about it, the more this type of trade would make sense only after the Spurs sign AK47.

yeah I think got trigger happy when I saw Spurs mentioned in a trade, lol, seemed like an odd rumor to make up though

[Chomag]

I understand Some here that may like this trade. I however never saw the hype in this guy. Seems it would be just a lateral move to me, both have different good and bads that make them on par with each other, but I think Splitter has the slight edge by knowing the Spur's system.

[Nathan89]

yeah I think got trigger happy when I saw Spurs mentioned in a trade, lol, seemed like an odd rumor to make up though

Probably Texas2Step doing his offseason work.

[DesignatedT]

Yeah. It doesn't make sense for Phoenix to want Tiago.

[timvp]

Also, why would the Suns want Splitter? If they're trading Gortat because they believe Len can be the starting five, why would they shell out big bucks just to have Tiago come off the bench?

Well, if this rumor is true, Splitter is a great player to put next to an up and coming center because he can play at power forward yet still handle the banging in the middle. Gortat can't play at PF.

[Blake]

Nzq2K32Rffc

lol "take that Splitter"

[Buddy Holly]

The source on this looks pretty iffy so I'd hold off on ordering a Gortat jersey.

The more I think about it, the more this type of trade would make sense only after the Spurs sign AK47.

Apparently he broke the news on a few trades last summer as well.

[Splits]

I'll wait until someone I trust better as a source confirms it.

[HI-FI]

Gortat was a big reason why Dwight Howard's team made it to the Finals.

this. Polish Hammer is an underrated nig. He was doing some good stuff with Nash before Nash got too old.

dude goes to the rim hard, Tiago does some things good for us but he's too slow and soft around the rim most of the time.

[spursince#99]

I'll wait until someone I trust better as a source confirms it.

[sexinthatsx]

Yeah. It doesn't make sense for Phoenix to want Tiago.

If Omer Asik was averageing like 5 points 4 rebounds prior to getting paid in houston, a Tiago with that average 10 points and 6 rebounds will be wanted by many teams.

[ChumpDumper]

A lot of other things would have to happen for me to be satisfied with this move. In a vacuum, it's not that great.

[temujin]

If Omer Asik was averageing like 5 points 4 rebounds prior to getting paid in houston, a Tiago with that average 10 points and 6 rebounds will be wanted by many teams.

Take away Parker and Ginobili and Splitter is down to 5 and 5. Put backs and FTs.

[DesignatedT]

If Omer Asik was averageing like 5 points 4 rebounds prior to getting paid in houston, a Tiago with that average 10 points and 6 rebounds will be wanted by many teams.

smh

[Chinook]

Well, if this rumor is true, Splitter is a great player to put next to an up and coming center because he can play at power forward yet still handle the banging in the middle. Gortat can't play at PF.

But this is a team that started Channing Frye as a four until he had his health problems. They give extended power-forward minutes to the Morris twins and Michael Beasley. I don't think they want a four that plays like Splitter does, at least not for a big long-term deal. I know it's a different regime now, but their roster isn't built to play two seven-footers at the same time.

[Libri]

Also, why would the Suns want Splitter? If they're trading Gortat because they believe Len can be the starting five, why would they shell out big bucks just to have Tiago come off the bench?

Also, it wouldn't make sense if the Suns are trying to get cap space for 2014. If that's the case, wouldn't they prefer someone with a one year contract?

[temujin]

this. Polish Hammer is an underrated nig. He was doing some good stuff with Nash before Nash got too old.

dude goes to the rim hard, Tiago does some things good for us but he's too slow and soft around the rim most of the time.

I think he has reached a ceiling, beyond which he needs to get a solid jump shot to be any better.
Not going to happen, if it didn't after 3 years of Engelland.

[spurraider21]

i agree with timvp's notion that this trade would indicate the spurs have a move in mind to bolster the power forward position, since they would be losing some position flexibility by flipping tiago for gortat in this deal. besides, having gortat for 1 year means we have will have flexibility next summer as well. its as if we can replace Splitter at center with similar talent/value without having to make the 3-5 year commitment we'd have to make with Tiago right now

[NickiRasgo]

Was he healthy now? I remembered him got injured halfway of the season last season.

[timtonymanu]

Yeah I'm a little skeptical on the source, but it be a "serious discussion" almost always happen.

Don't know how I feel about a Gortat for Splitter/Diaw swap unless Kirilenko is going to sign here.

[Chinook]

The Suns supposedly want to make a run at Josh Smith. I think they'd be interested in moving Gortat to get the necessary cap space to make Smith a competitive offer. But I don't think they're trying to worry about the free-agent class next season. They'll be in the Wiggins sweepstakes again.

[sexinthatsx]

smh

care to explain?

[Jumi]

Yesterday......

Splitter's isn't worth the kinda money that teams are gonna throw at him! He's too soft! He couldn't post up Derek Fisher or D Wade!

Today.........

Don't trade Splitter! We love him! He knows the Spurs system!

Splitter's soft. It's that simple. That doesn't mean he isn't a good player, but he can't hit an outside shot! My fellow Spursfans are very emo!! If it's about "winning" and not "feelings", we go for Gortat!

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Would this work in theory?
Gortat & T-Rob ---> Spurs
Portland 1st & Spurs 1st (/Bonner?) ---> Suns
Splitter --> Portland
?

Won't happen obviously. But it's nice to dream.

[DesignatedT]

Would this work in theory?
Gortat & T-Rob ---> Spurs
Portland 1st & Spurs 1st (/Bonner?) ---> Suns
Splitter --> Portland
?



Won't happen obviously. But it's nice to dream.

nope.

[Chinook]

Would this work in theory?
Gortat & T-Rob ---> Spurs
Portland 1st & Spurs 1st (/Bonner?) ---> Suns
Splitter --> Portland
?

Won't happen obviously. But it's nice to dream.

Financially, it would work.

[Slippy]

Not that surprising Spurs are looking at moving Tiago. Said a few times , this would be the best scenario for both. Getting Gortat would be the icing on the cake.

[DesignatedT]

So if Spurs get Gortat and AK. Who starts at the 4?

[benefactor]

So if Spurs get Gortat and AK. Who starts at the 4?
Duncan/Gortat would be the 4/5 combo like Duncan/Splitter were I would assume.

[LakerHater]

You wouldnt think Tim would???

[Buddy Holly]

Funny enough, this is Marcin's second to last tweet.

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[Buddy Holly]

So if Spurs get Gortat and AK. Who starts at the 4?

Tim.

[benefactor]

nvm

[ChumpDumper]

Not sure if a Duncan/Gortat frontline works all that well defensively.

[TD 21]

But this is a team that started Channing Frye as a four until he had his health problems. They give extended power-forward minutes to the Morris twins and Michael Beasley. I don't think they want a four that plays like Splitter does, at least not for a big long-term deal. I know it's a different regime now, but their roster isn't built to play two seven-footers at the same time.

Agreed. Splitter works next to Duncan because Duncan is an elite mid range shooting big. Len, to the best of my knowledge, isn't anywhere near that level of shooter right now, so it wouldn't work.

But that's irrelevant for two reasons. 1) They have rotation caliber quantity at PF and 2) Len could easily require two years before he's ready to start and/or command starters minutes, so in the meantime, they could bring him along slowly by having him back Splitter up for 20 mpg.

The idea is, they'd get two quality assets. And if, in two years time, Len is ready to start and play at least 30 mpg, then they could shop Splitter for another piece. This would make even more sense for them if they think Gortat won't want to re-sign.

[024]

I don't know about this, there's a reason why the Suns want to move Gortat in the first place. His play has regressed noticeably over the years. Defensively, Splitter is far superior and can move his feet much quicker. Splitter is also a better fit next to Duncan because of this quickness. Offensively, yes it is an upgrade. But overall, can Duncan and Gortat play together with the same efficiency as Splitter/Duncan?

This sounds more like a money saving move, which means Splitter might be rumbling about getting more money. If that is the case, Splitter may most likely be on his way out. We all know how frugal the Spurs are.

[BatManu20]

Not sure if a Duncan/Gortat frontline works all that well defensively.

Well Gortat did average twice as many blocks as Splitter last season. Just don't know if his post defense is as good.

[Nathan89]

Funny enough, this is Marcin's second to last tweet.



:depressedThat's D-Day

[bthewigwam]

If I'm understanding (and hoping) this correctly, it's basically a question of if you want to pay for Gortat, AK47, and Boris vs keeping Splitter and losing other minor pieces of course. Is this even possible?

If that is possible, as much as I would like to keep Splitter, give me Gortat's jumper, AK's versatility, keeping Boris, and having financial flexibility vs paying Splitter. I'm not as informed on contracts or this particular situation as others, so is that scenario even possible?

[SpursDynasty21]

It looks like the Spurs are trying to be active this offseason.

[marinoman]

Funny enough, this is Marcin's second to last tweet.

347198243836407809

his last tweet though is Damn not yet

[ChumpDumper]

Well Gortat did average twice as many blocks as Splitter last season. Just don't know if his post defense is as good.I'm talking more about having two slow dudes again. I thought if anything the Spurs would want to give up Splitter for someone quicker.

[Texas_Ranger]

Funny enough, this is Marcin's second to last tweet.

347198243836407809

lol, almost got me there. :rollin

[Juggity]

Splitter's soft. It's that simple. That doesn't mean he isn't a good player, but he can't hit an outside shot! My fellow Spursfans are very emo!! If it's about "winning" and not "feelings", we go for Gortat!

Usually Euro bigs and white American bigs who do take outside shots are derided as soft. Bargnani, Dirk, etc. Not sure I've ever heard the argument that not being able to hit an outside shot equates to softness.

[benefactor]

Is the trade official?
The source isn't even official.

[DesignatedT]

P&R defense and athletic/smaller 4s would certainly give a TD/Gortat front line some problems.

But then again, both Duncan and Gortat can take advantage of smaller matchups on the offensive end also. Something Splitter can't do.

[mingus]

I'm sure they'd try to S&T him, but realistically Splitter would just go sign an offer sheet somewhere else and the Spurs wouldn't match.

I like that move a lot whether it's for Splitter or Diaw, but I'm assuming it'd be for Splitter, and I like that one better.

Gortat isn't as good as Splitter defensively man-to-man, but I like Gortat's offensive ability and I think it more than makes up for it. Splitter's offensive ineptness reared its ugly head in the Finals. The Spurs couldn't go big because Splitter couldn't punish his smaller defender. Same thing happened in the WCF the year before. We go a whole year playing a certain way defensively, but when it matters most we can't because he's too much of a liability on offense. Same thing will happen next year.

[Buddy Holly]

I don't know about this, there's a reason why the Suns want to move Gortat in the first place. His play has regressed noticeably over the years. Defensively, Splitter is far superior and can move his feet much quicker. Splitter is also a better fit next to Duncan because of this quickness. Offensively, yes it is an upgrade. But overall, can Duncan and Gortat play together with the same efficiency as Splitter/Duncan?

This sounds more like a money saving move, which means Splitter might be rumbling about getting more money. If that is the case, Splitter may most likely be on his way out. We all know how frugal the Spurs are.

Yeah, incredibly frugal. Keeping their core together. Going over the luxury tax. Trading for Jefferson.

That word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[spursince#99]

Not sure if a Duncan/Gortat frontline works all that well defensively.


It doesn't.

[Keepin' it real]

Not sure if a Duncan/Gortat frontline works all that well defensively.

Well if the Spurs coaches and front office think that front line will work well, that's good enough for me.

[Libri]

The Suns supposedly want to make a run at Josh Smith. I think they'd be interested in moving Gortat to get the necessary cap space to make Smith a competitive offer. But I don't think they're trying to worry about the free-agent class next season. They'll be in the Wiggins sweepstakes again.

I think they're trying to have both, high draft pick and cap space for free agency.


It just might be a while. Free-agency contact opened Sunday night, but the Suns are taking a low-key approach this month. The Suns hope to preserve their salary-cap space of at least $7 million so they can be in position for potential future trades that would absorb a high-salary star or a major free-agency signing next year, when they have more cap space.

“We’ll be patient and deliberate and see if we can find some good values for us,” McDonough said. “Every year in free agency, a lot of money is spent right out of the gate. Teams spend big. The price gets driven up. A lot of times, it’s to a point where teams feel uncomfortable, but they still do it because they’re chasing guys. I don’t think we’ll be in that game.”

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/20130630phoenix-suns-wont-big-spenders-free-agency.html?nclick_check=1

[Chinook]

Agreed. Splitter works next to Duncan because Duncan is an elite mid range shooting big. Len, to the best of my knowledge, isn't anywhere near that level of shooter right now, so it wouldn't work.

But that's irrelevant. Len could easily require two years before he's ready to start and/or command starters minutes, so in the meantime, they could bring him along slowly by having him back Splitter up for 20 mpg.

The idea is, they'd get two quality assets. And if, in two years time, Len is ready to start and play at least 30 mpg, then they could shop Splitter for another piece. This would make even more sense for them if they think Gortat won't want to re-sign.

Apparently, Gortat wants to stay, but the team is shopping him because they think Len can start now. I doubt that view would change because of Splitter.

Also, Phoenix is supposedly in the free-agent ring this off-season. I doubt they sacrifice $8 Million on a player they don't think is a cornerstone piece after they already wasted $6 Million a year on Beasley last off-season.

[marinoman]

...

[ChumpDumper]

Of all the rumors, this one makes the least sense to me.

[bklynspursfan]

Yeah its in the 2013 General Free Agent Signings/News and Trades (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218795&goto=newpost) Thread!

Dunno Why we have that thread it everyone makes a new thread evry time news pops up!

Lol yea idk either man

[Texas_Ranger]

well he doesn't like the Heat.

[Mugen]

Gortat & TD would be just fine defensively tbh.

[UZER]

LMAO at the grey's that don't like this trade or have never heard of Marcin.

So you think because one grey has never heard of him, that others dont know basketball?

Thats about as dumb as assuming you know more basketball than others just because you have more posts count.

[PlayNando]

Jordan Schultz @Schultz_Report
(http://twitter.com/Schultz_Report)New NBA info: Source tells me that the #Spurs (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Spurs) are in serious negotiations with #Suns (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Suns) to acquire Marcin Gortat...




Jordan Schultz @Schultz_Report
(http://twitter.com/Schultz_Report)Source: Spurs-Suns deal 4 Gortat would either be n a Splitter sign-and-trade or Diaw/filler. Suns get at least a 2014 1st rounder either way



More international intelligence. Good, good.......... :)

[Jumi]

Usually Euro bigs and white American bigs who do take outside shots are derided as soft. Bargnani, Dirk, etc. Not sure I've ever heard the argument that not being able to hit an outside shot equates to softness.

I said he's soft and he can't hit an outside shot! Dirk isn't soft, imo. Bargnani is soft. Oberto wasn't soft. Bosh is an African American player who can hit an outside shot and he's soft. It's more an attitude thing, instead of a race or nationality issue.

[Buddy Holly]

So you think because one grey has never heard of him, that others dont know basketball?

Thats about as dumb as assuming you know more basketball than others just because you have more posts count.

Don't be butt hurt grey. I wasn't generalizing. I'm sure there's more than one grey poster one this forum that is so casual a fan they can't even name 10 players on the Spurs now.

[TD 21]

Apparently, Gortat wants to stay, but the team is shopping him because they think Len can start now. I doubt that view would change because of Splitter.

Also, Phoenix is supposedly in the free-agent ring this off-season. I doubt they sacrifice $8 Million on a player they don't think is a cornerstone piece after they already wasted $6 Million a year on Beasley last off-season.

Yeah, probably not. Still, it's unlikely Len plays anything more than maybe 24-25 mpg next season, which would leave half a game for Splitter. That's about right for him, considering the caliber of player he is and his lack of stamina.

The question is, will any free agent of any significance actually sign with them? If not, then this trade makes sense for them. Even if they don't want Splitter, if they can get him signed, they can trade him next season for something they like better, similar to what the Nuggets did with Nene.

[Buddy Holly]

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[tesseractive]

Gortat & TD would be just fine defensively tbh.
So who, for example, goes out on the pick and rolls or chases the stretch 4s around?

[ChumpDumper]

OK, the Spurs are now serious about three different centers.

That means they're going to end up with Robin Lopez.

[spurraider21]

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http://hotpopjunk.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/no-darth_vader.jpeg

[slick'81]

Thank god spurs r actually trying to upgrade center.I won't get my hopes up but gortat would b awsome

[coachmac87]

Al Jefferson is just as bad in PnR D..if not worse compared to Gortat. Gortat is cheaper and is better at PnR on offense...it makes sense.

This is a huge upgrade for the Spurs

[Jumi]

OK, the Spurs are now serious about three different centers.

That means they're going to end up with Robin Lopez.

:lol

[Texas_Ranger]

so we'll slow down things with Gortat cause of a player that didn't play bball in 4 years? Seem legit.

[spurraider21]

No Al Jefferson. gortat might not be the most mobile defensive guy around but the dude can swat shots around the rim. al jefferson does neither and is more of a ball stopper on offense, where gortat is an awesome PnR guy with a decent jumper

[ChumpDumper]

so we'll slow down things with Gortat cause of a player that didn't play bball in 4 years? Seem legit.If he comes cheap and AK47 is in, Oden actually makes more sense imo.

[benefactor]

so we'll slow down things with Gortat cause of a player that didn't play bball in 4 years? Seem legit.
Yup...source is losing credibility by the minute.

[RD2191]

This all sounds like bullish to me.

[slick'81]

A splitter sign and trade with the suns does make sense

[FireMicoHalili]

Gortat > Splitter!!!

[dbestpro]

This is just the Spurs way of controlling the market for Tiago by letting him know he is replaceable, but we will sign you for 7.5 mi. to let you stay.

[timvp]

351838083458678784

:rolleyes

Alright, dude's a liar.

Next rumor, please.

[Chinook]

OK, the Spurs are now serious about three different centers.

That means they're going to end up with Robin Lopez.

If the team ended up with a starting power-forward after making their other moves, I'd actually prefer Lopez. I think he'd make a fine backup center with his good decent, budding post game and most importantly, his cheap deal.

[Mugen]

So who, for example, goes out on the pick and rolls or chases the stretch 4s around?

I just don't think the gap between them is that huge. Gortat isn't slow footed and it's not like Tiago is able to guard every stretch 4 in the league. He's quick for a big man but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have difficulty chasing a guy like Ryan Anderson or Melo around.

I think they're just about a wash defensively but teams can't get away with putting Fisher or Mike Miller on Gortat.

[weebo]

I call bs on all this. Sounds like there's too many rumors going around that involve the Spurs. When are the Spurs ever involved in as many rumors as this at one time?

[Mugen]

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:lol well there goes his credibility

[marinoman]

Polish Hammer > Brazilian Vagina!!!



Fixed

[ChumpDumper]

If the team ended up with a starting power-forward after making their other moves, I'd actually prefer Lopez. I think he'd make a fine backup center with his good decent, budding post game and most importantly, his cheap deal.I think it would actually make some sense if the Spurs spent the money on their other apparent priorities: Manu (role) replacement) and more small ball proof big men.

[BatManu20]

http://hotpopjunk.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/no-darth_vader.jpeg

:lol

[tesseractive]

I just don't think the gap between them is that huge. Gortat isn't slow footed and it's not like Tiago is able to guard every stretch 4 in the league. He's quick for a big man but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have difficulty chasing a guy like Ryan Anderson or Melo around.

I think they're just about a wash defensively but teams can't get away with putting Fisher or Mike Miller on Gortat.
If it's true that they're a wash defensively, then Gortat is a huge upgrade.

[AFBlue]

:lol glad I came in at the end where this proved to be utter b.s. Dude did just feed the starving masses with some good smellin' air though tbh.

[texbound]

OK, the Spurs are now serious about three different centers.

That means they're going to end up with Robin Lopez.

no, no ChumpDumper. Haven't you learned anything about the Spurs over the past 13 years. The Spurs are setting things up for a surprise signing of Howard. It's the CIA way. Pump out a lot of misleading information to throw the media off. That's why the Spurs have been able to sign all these top flight FA's over the years...wait

[Mario1976]

I was about to say that he can make those open jumpers

[FireMicoHalili]

I hope there's a way we snag him w/o giving up our pick next year...

[SpurCharger]

Keep Diaw....... Fuck Soft Ass Splitter.... He gets his shot blocked more then he scores..... is a horrible rebounder for his size......

[Chinook]

I think it would actually make some sense if the Spurs spent the money on their other apparent priorities: Manu (role) replacement) and more small ball proof big men.

Sure, but Lopez makes only about a million more than Bonner. He'd be a player to pick up after the team used their cap and Splitter's potential TE to get the players you're talking about.

[sexinthatsx]

I call bs on all this. Sounds like there's too many rumors going around that involve the Spurs. When are the Spurs ever involved in as many rumors as this at one time?

Ever since the Spurs lost for the first time in a finals appearance tbh... I didn't want to go there...

[Mugen]

What a weird f'n trade to make up.

If there's SOME truth to the Spurs being interested in Gortat, Oden, Pachulia, etc. then the chances of Splitter being back next year might be significantly less than we think tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, but Lopez makes only about a million more than Bonner. He'd be a player to pick up after the team used their cap and Splitter's potential TE to get the players you're talking about.http://www.dogster.com/files/post_images/ed900dd01204ec5a5e78b0cd17aab510.jpg

[UZER]

LMAO at the grey's that don't like this trade or have never heard of Marcin.

So you think because one grey has never heard of him, that others dont know basketball?

Thats about as dumb as assuming you know more basketball than others just because you have more posts count.

[CGD]

On the surface this trade seems to make sense, but Im not too stoked about it:

1. I don't really see the upgrade at the position. i would actually argue that Tiago was fundamental to the PnR machine last year. He was also excellent defending the PnR. Not sure you get that with Gortat, though there is the possiblity to run more pick and pop. he is also an inferior rebounder for his size. Folks bitch about Tiago's rebounding, but Gortat only averages about 6rpg for his career and that's after averaging 8rpg last year on a shitty Suns team.

2. Mixed messages about the future. On the one hand the spurs are willing to take the one year rental at Tiago's QO essentially, with the idea of having cap room again next summer once Timmy weighs retirement. But simultaneously they are rumored to in unloading their 1st next year.one thing is clear though, they really don't see Tiago as part of the post Duncan era and are loath to commit money to him long term.

3.Chemestry. For such a lateral move, I don't think it makes sense to F with the corporate knowledge. Tim and Tiago work well together. If there are other assets coming back then I would reconsider, but Spurs seem to be acting Really stingily here. Maybe they're sending Tiago a message about what they think he's worth, or maybe the rumored offer sheet is a rich one.

[Leetonidas]

Nah, at least not around the rim offensively.

I didn't mean necessarily in game, but his attitude. He threw a lot of his teammates under the bus and basically ripped his entire team and I know a lot of Suns fans on RealGM criticized him for whining about players not giving it their all or caring about winning when he didn't seem to be either. I'm not going to say I follow Gortat super closely but he's going to want to be a main contributor on the team not just a cog in the machine. Personally I feel he is an upgrade offensively but is that what we really need? Spurs are already one of the best offensive teams in the league. Gortat has great athleticism and he is more physical than Tiago though. Personally I feel it's a wash, I think Splitter would excel in our system more than Gortat but who knows.

Although if the Spurs got Kirilenko and Gortat, tbh I'd be pretty content looking at our chances next year.