Clippers, Suns, Bucks reach three way deal

[Michael Jordan.]

Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA?tw_i=352183575614992388&tw_p=tweetembed)
Clippers, Bucks and Phoenix have reached agreement on a three-team deal, sources tell Y!

[Michael Jordan.]

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[TheRealCB]

:lmao Suns

[romsey31]

Tweet from Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) - Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) tweeted at 5:58 PM on Tue, Jul 02, 2013:
In the sign and trade scenario, Redick will get a four year, $27 million deal with the Clippers, sources tell Y! Sports.
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/352184616142110720)

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[Michael Jordan.]

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[irishock]

Redick will flourish under Doc and CP3 imo.

[Michael Jordan.]

Clippers distancing themselves from the Lakers :lol

[Michael Jordan.]

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[ElNono]

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And Caron Butler :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Redick AND Dudley? NBA = f:lolcked!

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Now the Clippers can't suffocate the Spurs' backup guards.

[Baseline]

How is Redick an upgrade over Bledsoe? After all the talk about Bledsoe's value for the last two years, the Clippers end up with frigging JJ Redick, who nobody would give two craps about if he went to any other college than Duke? What do Duke players do in the NBA? They disappoint. EVERY time. This is the most idiotic trade I've ever seen.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Redick is a good player and so is Dudley, the Clippers' wing positions are much improved. Bledsoe was going to go eventually.

[baseline bum]

Clippers distancing themselves from the Lakers :lol

They already swept them last year :lol

[Michael Jordan.]

They already swept them last year :lol
:lol

[Robz4000]

:lmao Suns

Clippers got better and can beat everyone in the West that isn't San Antonio. If they had managed to swing Dudley while keeping Bledsoe, then the Spurs would have some trouble.

[Spur-Addict]

Now the Clippers can't suffocate the Spurs' backup guards.

Exactly what I was thinking. Bledsoe routinely dogged the hell out of whoever was across from him. But they picked up some nice pieces though.

[baseline bum]

I like this deal a lot for the Clippers. Butler ain't shit and Reddick gives them some much needed shooting. And then Dudley is a nice bench guy who was just being wasted in Phoenix. They still need another bigman though to play the role that Evans and KMart filled so well a couple of years ago.

[Clipper Nation]

It's actually not a bad deal for the Suns either, provided Bledsoe improves on the offensive end.... the Bucks got absolutely raped though :lol

[JMarkJohns]

Not sure how its "lol suns"?

Cleared CAP on a player who at his best is 10 PPG with a 4.5 per million contract and got an in-demand PG who will see meaningful minutes. When his numbers double/triple as his role increases, he could become a significant piece in trades.

Clippers got two quality rotation players who are better on good teams than bad ones, and Suns saved like two years, 9 million, clearing 4.5 in CAP for next summer.

[Michael Jordan.]

:lol Clippers trollin doing this trade while the Lakers meet with Dwight

[Robz4000]

Bucks prolly knew they were losing Reddick either way so they got what they could in a S&T.

[InRareForm]

"@sam_amick: Redick's four year, $27 million deal will play part in setting market for shooting guards: Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis, JR Smith, OJ Mayo..."

[Raven]

indeed the clippers got a lot better, reddick and dudley are perfect fits for paul (i'm guessing dudley will start at sf) paired with their frontline. The money for reddick however is horrible. I don't really understand the suns move tbh, ok bledsoe is good and young but pg is the only position they didn't need an upgrade on.

[Michael Jordan.]

indeed the clippers got a lot better, reddick and dudley are perfect fits for paul (i'm guessing dudley will start at sf) paired with their frontline. The money for reddick however is horrible. I don't really understand the suns move tbh, ok bledsoe is good and young but pg is the only position they didn't need an upgrade on.
Bledsoe, Dragic, Marshall

:lol Suns

[Raven]

"@sam_amick: Redick's four year, $27 million deal will play part in setting market for shooting guards: Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis, JR Smith, OJ Mayo..."

i doubt it tbh, reddick is a decent team player that plays some defense and doesn't need to hold onto the ball. These four examples are not.

[elemento]

What a crap return for The Bucks

In the end, they traded Tobias Harris and Doron Lamb for 2 2nd round picks.

What a moronic franchise seriously.

That's a great move for LAC.

[baseline bum]

Not sure how its "lol suns"?

Cleared CAP on a player who at his best is 10 PPG with a 4.5 per million contract and got an in-demand PG who will see meaningful minutes. When his numbers double/triple as his role increases, he could become a significant piece in trades.

Clippers got two quality rotation players who are better on good teams than bad ones, and Suns saved like two years, 9 million, clearing 4.5 in CAP for next summer.

'Eh, what does the caproom matter when you have a front office who selects Alex Len over Nerlens Noel and Kendall Marshall over John Henson in back to back years though?

[Koolaid_Man]

Clippers are fucked..they lose intensity and defensive ball pressure....having a player like Reddick is only useful if you have a dominant center...Reddick will get torched on the defensive end, he cannot dribble penetrate like Bledsoe, cannot defend to save his life and generally get abused...he will hit an occasional 3 but the Hair Nappy Clippas won't be able to defend didly squat...

[Clipper Nation]

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[Koolaid_Man]

JJ is a more of a liabilty than an asset for the Hair Nappy Clippas...

[Michael Jordan.]

Clippers meeting with Carl Landry tonight. They're gonna be a force.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It's actually not a bad deal for the Suns either, provided Bledsoe improves on the offensive end.... the Bucks got absolutely raped though :lol
Yeah I don't see how this is bad for the suns. It's a pretty meaningless trade for them IMO neither good nor bad. They get a young overrated PG who's ceiling is a good 6th man for a role player who's useless on a rebuilding team.

[Michael Jordan.]

JJ is a more of a liabilty than an asset for the Hair Nappy Clippas...
:lol Salty ass nigga

[Koolaid_Man]

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If they get Landry then they get props...but JJ aint shit

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol Salty ass nigga

who is he going to defend..like Bledsoe and Butler...they got up in niggas and defended..JJ is a pussy

[baseline bum]

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Landry would be a crazy pickup for them. If they make that move and if Doc can teach Blake some of the classball he learned running lockout practices for the 99 Spurs they could have a real shot to come out of the west.

[JamStone]

"Suns rebuilding with a young point guard in Bledsoe..."

Huh? Didn't they sign Dragic to a five year deal and draft Kendall Marshall in the lottery last summer?

The only way this would make this move truly a Phoenix Suns type of deal is if Bledsoe had a younger brother and the Suns drafted him in the second round.

[ElNono]

who is he going to defend..

S:lolsh:lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

"Suns rebuilding with a young point guard in Bledsoe..."

Huh? Didn't they sign Dragic to a five year deal and draft Kendall Marshall in the lottery last summer?

The only way this would make this move truly a Phoenix Suns type of deal is if Bledsoe had a younger brother and the Suns drafted him in the second round.
The suns and their jeebotard fan base are convinced that getting a pg to replace :cryNash:cry is priority number one before they can rebuild this they're making David Kahn type moves.

[JMarkJohns]

'Eh, what does the caproom matter when you have a front office who selects Alex Len over Nerlens Noel and Kendall Marshall over John Henson in back to back years though?

I will accept that. I'm still pissed. Only thing I can say is their world-class medical staff "flagged" Noel's knee.

But it does matter, because most franchise sales require clearing cap, along with the acquisition of young players and picks.

Fingers crossed!!! I've heard some whispers for a few years. We shall see.

[Raven]

Yeah I don't see how this is bad for the suns. It's a pretty meaningless trade for them IMO neither good nor bad. They get a young overrated PG who's ceiling is a good 6th man for a role player who's useless on a rebuilding team.

indeed it doesn't look that bad this way, what i'm concerned is if they think they can play both dragič and bledsoe at the same time, neither is a natural shooter.

[Koolaid_Man]

S:lolsh:lol

sasha played hard nosed defense to be honest...is a pest....JJ is not

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I think Sarver would be very interested in selling except he still makes money every year (somehow) and would have to take a bath on the sale price compared to what he paid for it. I don't see Sarver selling any time soon.

[JMarkJohns]

Bledsoe is in the mold of the modern athlete PG.

My hope is he's showcased and could be traded when he's averaging 18 PPG, 6 APG.

I could also see Dragic being traded.

And Marshall is useless.

[Clipper Nation]

It gets better:

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Bringing back Barnes in addition to Redick, Dudley, and possibly Landry would be insane, tbh....

[spurraider21]

It gets better:

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Bringing back Barnes in addition to Redick, Dudley, and possibly Landry would be insane, tbh....
Yeah, that would cap an incredible offseason if they can put all that together. I feel like Barnes can get plenty more than that though

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

indeed it doesn't look that bad this way, what i'm concerned is if they think they can play both dragič and bledsoe at the same time, neither is a natural shooter.
Yeah that's some pretty retarded nit picking. The suns are in full rebuilding mode and should be stockpiling talent not worrying about how well two players play with each other. The team is five years away from returning to contention at the least.

[JamStone]

The suns and their jeebotard fan base are convinced that getting a pg to replace :cryNash:cry is priority number one before they can rebuild this they're making David Kahn type moves.

Yeah, I wouldn't say it's a horrible deal for the Suns if you just look at the deal on itself. But I just don't get it. If they want to use assets like Dudley and second round picks to make a deal, I would have guessed they should have targeted an offensive minded wing player or a young athletic PF. But they keep adding PGs of the "future."

[JMarkJohns]

I think Sarver would be very interested in selling except he still makes money every year (somehow) and would have to take a bath on the sale price compared to what he paid for it. I don't see Sarver selling any time soon.

Wrong. Suns are worth upwards of 100 million more now than when they were purchased 9 years ago.

That's projected, but I think it quoted Forbes.

Suns were actually "worse" in public perception in 2003-04 and Colangelo was a motivated seller.

Suns had missed playoffs 2/3 seasons, were averaging like 43 wins a year for the last 8 seasons, had a few "scandals" with Dumars, Kidd, and Robinson, and had advanced past the first round only once since the 94-95 season.

For as down as they are, as you've said, they are still making money, and are more well regarded by fans, mostly from the "fun-n-gun" days.

[baseline bum]

Yeah that's some pretty retarded nit picking. The suns are in full rebuilding mode and should be stockpiling talent not worrying about how well two players play with each other. The team is five years away from returning to contention at the least.

Are you gonna be pissed when they draft Kyle Wiltjer next year?

[JamStone]

Didn't Matt Barnes say he was tired of playing on the cheap the last several years and wanted a pay raise?

[Raven]

Yeah that's some pretty retarded nit picking. The suns are in full rebuilding mode and should be stockpiling talent not worrying about how well two players play with each other. The team is five years away from returning to contention at the least.

if they move him right away than yeah, but making him ride the bench or exposing all of his weaknesses would only make his trade value lower.

[JMarkJohns]

Didn't Matt Barnes say he was tired of playing on the cheap the last several years and wanted a pay raise?

I think it was yearly deals and was looking for a 3/4 year deal.

3-years, 5+million starting at 1.4 could work?

[BatManu20]

It's actually not a bad deal for the Suns either, provided Bledsoe improves on the offensive end.... the Bucks got absolutely raped though :lol

Not really. Redick was a FA. He could've just walked for nothing. The Bucks at least got something out of it.

[Raven]

Didn't Matt Barnes say he was tired of playing on the cheap the last several years and wanted a pay raise?

maybe he found out he's been done for a long time now.

[Leetonidas]

Damn, a real solid move for the Clips. Redick is gonna be draining threes all day long with CP3 setting him up. Dudley's no slouch either, I still have nightmares of him buttfucking the Spurs in 2010 :depressed

But holy shit the Bucks are fucking retarded. They essentially traded Tobias Harris for a second round pick :lol

[freetiago]

Clippers got some really solid players but they still keep stockpiling guys with the same skillsets that play the same position
they need some depth behind Griffin
lol at a frontline headlined by Griffin's overrated ass
then followed up by Jordan, Odom, and Hollins
even their bigs all bring the same skillset to the table and they all suck

its a good trade but I dont think it actually helps them compete
still have to see if they can flip some of them for another big
Clippers star players are in their primes so they dont need a lot of depth
7 man rotation would be fine

overall this move is good the Spurs i think
Dudley can be shutdown by Green/Leonard
but SA had no one who could guard Bledsoe or Godsoe as that Clipper phaggot who always posts here when the team wins
Clippers bench advantage is gone now so the only teams who can compete with us right now are OKC and depending where Dwight goes it would be that team
Finals chances looking pretty good again

[D-Wade]

Clippers got some really solid players but they still keep stockpiling guys with the same skillsets that play the same position
they need some depth behind Griffin
lol at a frontline headlined by Griffin's overrated ass
then followed up by Jordan, Odom, and Hollins
even their bigs all bring the same skillset to the table and they all suck


This.

A Carl Landry pickup would be huge though. Finally a big with skill and an outside shot, though undersized like Millsap & Blair

[gnsf0946]

imagine the headline "L.A. Clippers: The new NBA Champions" :lmao:lmao

I sure can't, no matter who they sign tbh.

[freetiago]

This.

A Carl Landry pickup would be huge though. Finally a big with skill and an outside shot, though undersized like Millsap & Blair

dont know if Griffin would appreciate someone on the squad who celebrates his misses like this tbh
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[Xylus]

This is a really good trade for the Suns and a great trade for the Clippers.

Clippers get two 3-point specialists. Dudley, in particular, will be a great addition for them. Hustles, plays good defense, one of the best 3-point shooters in the league, fantastic locker room guy. Dudley is best suited for a team hoping to contend, not a team with a horrible roster currently in rebuilding mode.

Suns get a big expiring contract in Caron ($8 million) and a super-athletic PG who has plenty of upside. We traded a role player who has hit his ceiling for a 23-year-old who is just scratching the surface of his talent. Bledsoe and Dragic are both very athletic and get at it on both ends of the court. Dragic can handle play-making primarily and guard the 2, Bledsoe can pick up playmaking when Dragic hits the bench.

Even if we don't end up keeping Bledsoe, we are racking up young talent and setting ourselves up for the future. The Suns have no intention of building a contender this year. Another year or two of futility, make smart draft picks when the draft is much more loaded than it was this year, and trade away the valuable assets (Gortat's out of here before the end of the year). The Suns shouldn't be concerned about "filling in the gaps" right now, they should be concerned about racking up young players with upside and potential assets for future deals.

I like this trade a lot. Going to miss Dudley, though. He's been my favorite Sun since the moment we nabbed him from Charlotte. Now he gets to go to LA where he belongs, playing for a good team that needs him, reunited with Alvin Gentry.

[Xylus]

'Eh, what does the caproom matter when you have a front office who selects Alex Len over Nerlens Noel and Kendall Marshall over John Henson in back to back years though?

The Kendall Marshall pick doesn't count since it was made by a different GM. And how the hell do you know Alex Len won't be better than Nerlens Noel? Why do you think 5 teams passed on Noel?

[baseline bum]

The Kendall Marshall pick doesn't count since it was made by a different GM. And how the hell do you know Alex Len won't be better than Nerlens Noel? Why do you think 5 teams passed on Noel?

Because Alex Len is a fucking faggot.

[Xylus]

Because Alex Len is a fucking faggot.

Gotcha.

[JMarkJohns]

The Kendall Marshall pick doesn't count since it was made by a different GM. And how the hell do you know Alex Len won't be better than Nerlens Noel? Why do you think 5 teams passed on Noel?

BB was mostly commenting to me specifically as he and I recently had a lengthy discussion on Noel. I'm actually very upset they passed on Noel. People who don't see it are nuts, but he is one of the most intriguing, highest upside post prospects in years. His frame is better for putting on weight than Davis, and he's an elite level defender in the mold of Hakeem. His freshman statistics were unlike any I have ever seen, being the only freshman to average 4 BPG and 2 SPG, with per-36 averages of 5 BPG and 2.5 SPG.

His body is an issue, but he's a year young and already shows an advanced feel for the modern game. His instincts are phenomenal, and his offensive approach improved by the week, as he identified space better, developed up/under and baby hook. Kentucky isn't Georgetown, so averaging 10 points as a raw C in a dribble-drive, wing-dominated offense is impressive.

Len isn't a bad pick. He's a questionable pick with a prospect like Noel on the board.

They must really question his knee, because listing both Len and Burke ahead of him is pretty comical, otherwise, especially considering Len has a stress fracture in his foot, which is an injury that has killed more careers of bigs than ACL injuries.

[JMarkJohns]

Suns could have had a pre-2014/2015 draft core of Noel/Goodwin/Bledsoe

That's some eye opening athleticism and a departure from their norm.

Instead it's Len/Goodwin/Bledsoe and that ceiling isn't nearly as high, that potential not nearly so eye-opening.

[Xylus]

BB was mostly commenting to me specifically as he and I recently had a lengthy discussion on Noel. I'm actually very upset they passed on Noel. People who don't see it are nuts, but he is one of the most intriguing, highest upside post prospects in years. His frame is better for putting on weight than Davis, and he's an elite level defender in the mold of Hakeem. His freshman statistics were unlike any I have ever seen, being the only freshman to average 4 BPG and 2 SPG, with per-36 averages of 5 BPG and 2.5 SPG.

His body is an issue, but he's a year young and already shows an advanced feel for the modern game. His instincts are phenomenal, and his offensive approach improved by the week, as he identified space better, developed up/under and baby hook. Kentucky isn't Georgetown, so averaging 10 points as a raw C in a dribble-drive, wing-dominated offense is impressive.

Len isn't a bad pick. He's a questionable pick with a prospect like Noel on the board.

They must really question his knee, because listing both Len and Burke ahead of him is pretty comical, otherwise, especially considering Len has a stress fracture in his foot, which is an injury that has killed more careers of bigs than ACL injuries.

I wanted Noel over Len, too, but I don't think we're going to look back on this draft in 5 years and wonder what the hell we were thinking. Noel was an extremely talented defender in college, but I don't see him being a major factor in the NBA given his body shape. You say he can put on the weight naturally. I'm skeptical.

[JMarkJohns]

If I'm Phoenix, i trade Scola flr a 1st this offseason, I showcase the fuck outa Dragic and Gortat and trade them for 1sts or prospects this deadline, then showcase and trade the shitty Morris assholes for anything the offseason following.

[Xylus]

If I'm Phoenix, i trade Scola flr a 1st this offseason, I showcase the fuck outa Dragic and Gortat and trade them for 1sts or prospects this deadline, then showcase and trade the shitty Morris assholes for anything the offseason following.

I like all of this, except trading Dragic. If Dragic was a past-his-prime point guard, then yeah, but he's improving every year. Dragic is a piece of the long-term puzzle.

However, if an attractive deal comes along that brings in more talent and/or additional lottery picks, I could be swayed.

[JMarkJohns]

I wanted Noel over Len, too, but I don't think we're going to look back on this draft in 5 years and wonder what the hell we were thinking. Noel was an extremely talented defender in college, but I don't see him being a major factor in the NBA given his body shape. You say he can put on the weight naturally. I'm skeptical.

The game is changing. 235-245 at 6-10/11 is the new ideal big. See Bosh, Garnett, etc.

Noel has Alonzo Morning offensive potential to me. Maybe without the range. He's just turned 19, and will be 220 by start of the season, and his defense is absolutely projectable.

His floor is Camby. His mean is Mourning. If everything goes his way, his ceiling is Mourning offense/Hakeem defense.

I'm talking 15-17 PPG, 10-12 RPG, 4-5 BPG, 2+ SPG.

Suns will be lucky if Len is Nash-less Gortat.

[JMarkJohns]

I like all of this, except trading Dragic. If Dragic was a past-his-prime point guard, then yeah, but he's improving every year. Dragic is a piece of the long-term puzzle.

However, if an attractive deal comes along that brings in more talent and/or additional lottery picks, I could be swayed.

I like Dragic, but Suns need to be bad, and to acquire picks, and to have CAP space. Dragic impedes these. He's lost on this team and steals minutes from Bledsoe and Goodwin.

[JMarkJohns]

People forget, Noel was a 2013 recruit initially, and was ranked #2 behind only Parker when he reclassified. He would have likely remained top-3 in the loaded class of 2013, right there with Wiggins, Randle, Parker, Gordon.

These are elite prospects everyone is drooling over, and Noel was ranked ahead of half of them.

[Rogue]

Redick has good shooting range which's gonna help the Clippers but are they worth Butler + Bledsoe?

[Clipper Nation]

http://arizonasports.com/41/1558777/Suns-Dudley-Nash-joining-Lakers-amps-up-rivalry

"You know what it comes down to, for one, we can't stand the Lakers, you know the rivalry," he said. "Before I even got to the Suns I didn't like the Lakers."

It's official, I think I'm going to like Dudley :lol

He's still not better than Melo, though :downspin:

[da_suns_fan]

It's official, I think I'm going to like Dudley :lol

He's still not better than Melo, though :downspin:

Youre gonna love him.

CLippers made off like Bandits.

Suns didnt need another pg.

[Xylus]

It's true, Clips fans are going to LOVE Jared Dudley. He's not an electric athlete at all, but he has a high basketball IQ, has all the intangibles, and fights for everything he gets. Team-first hustle 3-point shooter who loves the spotlight. Great midrange shot, deceptive, will give you approximately 6 dunks all year. There's no other player like him in the NBA.

[JMarkJohns]

Dudley is a championship caliber role player. Always thought he was born a Spur. Great versatility, great coachability.

LA is gonna love him and his personality.

[JMarkJohns]

It's true, Clips fans are going to LOVE Jared Dudley. He's not an electric athlete at all, but he has a high basketball IQ, has all the intangibles, and fights for everything he gets. Team-first hustle 3-point shooter who loves the spotlight. Great midrange shot, deceptive, will give you approximately 6 dunks all year. There's no other player like him in the NBA.

I actually think Dudley is my comp for Solomon Hill.

[benefactor]

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Redick will flourish under Doc and CP3 imo.

- "Promises, promises."

- Ernie "The Cat" Ladd

[slick'81]

How do dragic and bledsoe coexist??

Dudley will b a great fit for lac

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If Bledsoe is 6ft I'm a monkey's ass.

[Clipper Nation]

- "Promises, promises."

- Ernie "The Cat" Ladd
The Begging

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[HI-FI]

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"Suck on this"

-Travis Bickle

Taxi Driver (1976)

[Thread]

"Suck on this"

-Travis Bickle

Taxi Driver (1976)

lmemulatedao!!!

[MeloHype]

Second round exit for the Clippers.

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Second round exit for the Clippers.

& that's just the way it is.

[Clipper Nation]

& that's just the way it is.
The Begging

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[da_suns_fan]

So can a clipper fan make me feel better about this trade?

I just dont understand why the hell the Suns traded for another point guard when they have Dragic. The idea is that they wanted another "Play maker" but thats not Bledsoe's strength. His assist/turnover ratio isnt even 2:1. Hes not great at getting his own shot off either.

His strengths are athleticism, rebounding and defense. Why would the Suns want a point guard with these qualities when they already have a good starting point guard and two suitable backups?

[Clipper Nation]

Because Bledsoe can do this:

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^They wanted to get rid of the additional years in Dudley's contract according to the fellows on .620 this afternoon. Duds had 3. Butler has one. Bledsoe has one.

[da_suns_fan]

^They wanted to get rid of the additional years in Dudley's contract according to the fellows on .620 this afternoon. Duds had 3. Butler has one. Bledsoe has one.

That really only makes sense if they plan on not resigning bledsoe. If they want to clear cap space, why trade for a guy you'll have to re-sign?

[Thread]

That really only makes sense if they plan on not resigning bledsoe. If they want to clear cap space, why trade for a guy you'll have to re-sign?

Once again according to .620 this afternoon, the Suns will give Bledsoe every opportunity to showcase his talents in a number of ways and positions. If he blows up they'll go along with him. If not, nothing ventured, nothing gained. They said Dudley viewed himself as the "spice" not the steak. Since they don't have a prime cut, just one of those steaks with the number on the the side from Waffle House he wasn't the right player for them.

[whitemamba]

why the fuck did they get rid of blesdoe?? dudley is retarded fat and slow, and JJ, well... hes white.

[Clipper Nation]

why the fuck did they get rid of blesdoe??

We weren't going to be able to keep him no matter what, so might as well sell high on him.... the Clippers' starting wings were god-awful last year and the roster lacked shooters in general, so bringing in Redick and Dudley (along with drafting Bullock) fixes those issues, tbh....

[whitemamba]

We weren't going to be able to keep him no matter what, so might as well sell high on him.... the Clippers' starting wings were god-awful last year and the roster lacked shooters in general, so bringing in Redick and Dudley (along with drafting Bullock) fixes those issues, tbh....

Bledsoe was a baller tbh

[Thread]

We weren't going to be able to keep him no matter what, so might as well sell high on him.... the Clippers' starting wings were god-awful last year and the roster lacked shooters in general, so bringing in Redick and Dudley (along with drafting Bullock) fixes those issues, tbh....

& he's too gd short. It's an exercise in futility. You did right, CN, even though it took you what 3 gd years to figure out he was short. Christ-a-mighty.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Wrong. Suns are worth upwards of 100 million more now than when they were purchased 9 years ago.

That's projected, but I think it quoted Forbes.

Suns were actually "worse" in public perception in 2003-04 and Colangelo was a motivated seller.

Suns had missed playoffs 2/3 seasons, were averaging like 43 wins a year for the last 8 seasons, had a few "scandals" with Dumars, Kidd, and Robinson, and had advanced past the first round only once since the 94-95 season.

For as down as they are, as you've said, they are still making money, and are more well regarded by fans, mostly from the "fun-n-gun" days.

If that's really true, it just shows how much of a heavily-subsidized bullshit industry professional sports is if Sarver can add $100,000,000 in enterprise value by running a franchise into the ground.

[JMarkJohns]

If that's really true, it just shows how much of a heavily-subsidized bullshit industry professional sports is if Sarver can add $100,000,000 in enterprise value by running a franchise into the ground.

Most recent Forbes ranking has team worth between $470-490 million.

Sarver purchased for $404 million.

With a new Arena, value would top $500 million.

It's truth. The value has increased 75-85 million realistically as of January 2013.

Not a business expert, so maybe it's fake added value through inflation, etc.?

[ElNono]

Most recent Forbes ranking has team worth between $470-490 million.

Sarver purchased for $404 million.

That would mean it lost value. Adjusted for inflation, $404m in 2004 -> $498m now per the inflation calculator (http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm)

[JMarkJohns]

Interesting.

I'm not someone who can discuss beyond basic numbers.

Forbes made it sound like it increased in value from the article, not just increased in cost.

[ElNono]

Interesting.

I'm not someone who can discuss beyond basic numbers.

Forbes made it sound like it increased in value from the article, not just increased in cost.

The economy been in the shitter overall in the process, so it doesn't necessarily mean it's just a management fuckup...

[TheMACHINE]

lol Clippers getting rid of the best 2 players in this deal.

[JMarkJohns]

Despite economic downturn, revenue increased substantially under Sarver compared to final 9 seasons under Colangelo. That is fact. No idea how it matters.

[Clipper Nation]

lol Clippers getting rid of the best 2 players in this deal.
Caron Butler is a washed-up fossil, Bledsoe doesn't fit the roster and wasn't sticking around regardless, and Redick/Dudley will provide the floor spacing and legitimate spot-up threats the Clipps lacked last season.... not sure why people still aren't getting why this trade had to be done, tbh....

[Thread]

^Dudley is a bum, CN. He just hides it well by being a swell fellow.

[kamikazi_player]

All this talk about bledsoe being a chip to get some good players and they ended up with dudley(who will have spurts of good shooting but will not be reliable night in night out) and chucker JJ Redick. Bad move for the clippers imho

[da_suns_fan]

All this talk about bledsoe being a chip to get some good players and they ended up with dudley(who will have spurts of good shooting but will not be reliable night in night out) and chucker JJ Redick. Bad move for the clippers imho

Might be the worst analysis Ive read this year.

[kamikazi_player]

Might be the worst analysis Ive read this year.
Look at his stats from last year and you tell me

[JMarkJohns]

Dudley will only get better than 39% with a PG like Paul and open shots from kickouts. Didn't get much slack with crappy Suns last year.

[da_suns_fan]

Look at his stats from last year and you tell me

Shot 52% form 2pt range, 39% from three point range. 2:1 assist to turnover ratio. 1.29 PPS. 58% true shooting percentage. Rebounding is sub-par. Steals are average.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=264

Maybe youre spoiled with Kawhi Leonard but not may SFs are able to duplicate that type of shooting and passing.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

^Dudley is a bum, CN. He just hides it well by being a swell fellow.

Sorry CN but Cully is pretty dead on here. He was good as a 15-20 MPG role player in 2010, but no way in hell is he a starter, and he does hide it by being a likeable guy.

Even someone like me who tries to downplay a player's personality used as an excuse for his shitty play can't stop himself from being a Dudley fan.

[JMarkJohns]

He's a championship caliber role player. If he's their sixth man, at 25 mpg, he can replicate the 10-11 PPG, 50+/40+ FG/3FG% of his highly efficient 2010 year.

If he's more than your fifth/sixth best player, your team's in trouble.

[Rogue]

Dude is probably better than most scrubs but his ceiling is no higher than Matt Barnes imho, or the 09' Ariza whichever is better, so yes, he may be a championship caliber role player but that's like the best he can ever be