Manu is back per his twitter

[milkyway21]

Most of the people in here are Spurs homers. They don't take criticism well. They want to hear nothing but praises. Most of the people on this forum are Popsuckers and Manu fan boys. They trash role players like Danny Green, Gary Neal, Dejuan Blair, yet they never say anything bad about Pop and Manu because "they have 4 championships therefore we need to worship them."

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb3/hilda530/people/angry-3.gif tsk ! tsk !

[SouthernFried]

Manu is great for 1 in 3 games. That seems to be all he has. So, about 1/3 of 14 million. Let's say 5 million a year. NBA salaries are bloated by default, so I'm figuring around 7-8 Million. Any more than that, and I would say bad move. Any less...pretty good deal.

[BatManu20]

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[50 cent]

For sentimental reasons, I'm glad Manu is sticking around but tbh, he sucks ass now. I really hope he took $5m or less.

[Bruno]

To me, a fair contract for Manu would be $6M per year.

[Chinook]

I don't even think the Spurs have $10m to throw at him without amnestying Bonner and letting Neal walk?

Also, if it is indeed $10m, isn't that below his cap hold, and does that mean the Spurs renounced him to go under the cap? dammit, where's Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)? :lol

The Spurs have his Bird Rights, to they can just re-sign him. And they don't have to go under the cap, since Bonner keeps them over. Even if they amnesty him (and I'm just saying they probably won't under this scenario), they can stay over if they want to with their other free agent holds, including Horry still.

[Cherry]

Manu and Tim are happy they are not all-stars anymore :lol

[ElNono]

The Spurs have his Bird Rights, to they can just re-sign him. And they don't have to go under the cap, since Bonner keeps them over. Even if they amnesty him (and I'm just saying they probably won't under this scenario), they can stay over if they want to with their other free agent holds, including Horry still.

thanks!

[davidbowie]

Spurs legend retiring in spurs uniform. Great day!

[spursince#99]

To me, a fair contract for Manu would be $6M per year.


Yeah I agree. If he took anything north of that, even something like $6.1M, I'd be upset.

[AFBlue]

Hell yes!

Tbh, I can't be mad regardless of what Ginobili got money-wise. At this point in his career, the Spurs basically should have handed him a two-year deal and tell him to fill in the blank

You should care about the amount because it has potentially significant impact on their overall flexibility this summer (and next?). His last contract was the "fill in the blank" one and he repaid the Spurs handsomely. This time around, he needs to get Ray Allen dollars and nothing more.

[Cherry]

https://photos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/998501_10200297435618231_484302487_n.jpg



LOL

[ducks]

cia pop no leak yet what numbers are
maybe they get adjusted if spurs strike out or maybe they are trying to get ak47 to take less still

[Josepatches_]

Hell yes!

Tbh, I can't be mad regardless of what Ginobili got money-wise. At this point in his career, the Spurs basically should have handed him a two-year deal and tell him to fill in the salary.

Obviously, Spurs fans should hope he decided to take as small a paycheck as possible so that other pieces could be added .... but since he's obviously not going to ask more than $10 million per season, I can't be mad at the number he selected.

Agree

[Duncanonu]

only shot at ak47 is convincing him to take MLE

[ducks]

Agree

yeah lets just fuck duncans last years
just max his sorry ass out

[spursince#99]

yeah lets just fuck duncans last yearas
just max his sorry ass out


:lmao

[davidbowie]

back to back championships baby here we come!!!!

go out in style :flag:

[Anonymous Cowherd]

$4.8m would be nice and keeping him getting more than all but TP/TD and now Tiago.

[HI-FI]

Weird how many are cool with Manu getting overpaid again.

im glad he's returning but like Bruno said, hopefully 6 million is tops, if this team wants to win.

[suitedkings]

At this point it doesnt matter what his salary is. Spurs will only have the MLE to work with

[ducks]

liar

[AFBlue]

At this point it doesnt matter what his salary is. Spurs will only have the MLE to work with

Wrong

[ElNono]

At this point, Bonner's contract, how tradeable is it, or if the Spurs amnesty him are a bigger pivot as far as what the Spurs want to do...

[romain.star]

With the right amount of $$ and the adequate role on the court, this is GREAT news for the Spurs

[elemento]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)31 s (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/352504304478859264)
Y! Sources: Manu Ginobili's two-year extension with San Antonio will be worth $14 million. http://tinyurl.com/k65pnmb (http://t.co/kI59qLk2qn)

[spursince#99]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)31 s (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/352504304478859264)
Y! Sources: Manu Ginobili's two-year extension with San Antonio will be worth $14 million. http://tinyurl.com/k65pnmb (http://t.co/kI59qLk2qn)

WTF? It's officially over. :(

[MB3//]

So does that pretty much just give us the MLE to go after guys?

[TheGreatYacht]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)31 s (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/352504304478859264)
Y! Sources: Manu Ginobili's two-year extension with San Antonio will be worth $14 million. http://tinyurl.com/k65pnmb (http://t.co/kI59qLk2qn)So how much cap space do the Spurs have?

[Creation88]

ugh too much for Manu. way too much. should have been $5M or less.

[timtonymanu]

That's a great deal.

[Raven]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)31 s (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/352504304478859264)
Y! Sources: Manu Ginobili's two-year extension with San Antonio will be worth $14 million. http://tinyurl.com/k65pnmb (http://t.co/kI59qLk2qn)

well, that's a bummer if true.

[Mal]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)31 s (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/352504304478859264)
Y! Sources: Manu Ginobili's two-year extension with San Antonio will be worth $14 million. http://tinyurl.com/k65pnmb (http://t.co/kI59qLk2qn)
Holy shit

[timtonymanu]

7 million a year? Umm yeah... I'll take it. Of course, I was hoping for less. But at least it's not in 8-10 range.

:lol of course people are going to bitch anyway.

[ElNono]

Chopped his salary in half, just like Tim... as expected, tbh...

[Holden_Caulfield]

awww. where does that leave us.

[gnsf0946]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)31 s (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/352504304478859264)
Y! Sources: Manu Ginobili's two-year extension with San Antonio will be worth $14 million. http://tinyurl.com/k65pnmb (http://t.co/kI59qLk2qn)

:lmao:lmao if true

wonder how CoM would :downspin: that shit

[bthewigwam]

What's that leave us with?

[monkeypunk]

So what do we have to offer now as far as cap space goes?

[Reeko_Htown]

Mucho dinero por el viejo

[Mal]

So how much cap space do the Spurs have?

Nothing. It`s all gone

[deibero]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)31 s (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/352504304478859264)
Y! Sources: Manu Ginobili's two-year extension with San Antonio will be worth $14 million. http://tinyurl.com/k65pnmb (http://t.co/kI59qLk2qn)

two effing much...this is a lifetime achievement contract because his worth today is ray allen money, 3-4mil per...

[Raven]

Chopped his salary in half, just like Tim... as expected, tbh...

as much as i love manu and want him back, that's way too much for him, he would never get 7 per year on the open market..

[eric365]

Manu Ginobili gets two-year, $14 million deal from Spurs
per woj

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--manu-ginobili-gets-two-year---14-million-deal-from-spurs-190703791.html

[ElNono]

as much as i love manu and want him back, that's way too much for him, he would never get 7 per year on the open market..

I was hoping for $5m considering the little wiggle room, but I can't be mad at that number... 8-10 it's a different story.

[Keepin' it real]

Great deal! Took a 50% pay cut. Impressive.

[justinandimcool]

:lol 1 of 3 Spurs to show up for game 7 and these people want to give him Alonzo Gee type market contract. :lol

[Raven]

Chopped his salary in half, just like Tim... as expected, tbh...

as much as i love manu and want him back, that's way too much for him, he would never get 7 per year on the open market..

i was hoping for 3 or less tbh

[Bruno]

$7M per year is a little higher than what I expected but it's still reasonable.

[lurker23]

By my quick calculations, the Spurs could still have somewhere in the $6-6.8 million range in cap space if they amnesty Bonner and let Neal walk. That said, that amount is not much more than the $5.2 million MLE they could use otherwise, so they might not think it's worth it.

[ElNono]

as much as i love manu and want him back, that's way too much for him, he would never get 7 per year on the open market..

well, he was on the open market...

[Josepatches_]

Great deal

[AFBlue]

$7M is at or slightly above market value for him, and the likelihood of him actually changing teams was slim-to-none. Worst deal since RJ.

[coachmac87]

MLE I believe. Unless Spurs amnesty Bonnner then we'd have bout 9 mil

[FvckMavs]

So what do we have to offer now as far as cap space goes?

~5.8m if we amnesty Bonner.

[AFBlue]

:lol 1 of 3 Spurs to show up for game 7 and these people want to give him Alonzo Gee type market contract. :lol

Without Manu there likely isn't a game 7 tbh.

[ColinB]

Would be a good deal if he was half the player he used to be. :lol

[Creation88]

Spurs cannot amnesty Bonner, only Parker is eligible. per J McDonald

[Mal]

$7M per year is a little higher than what I expected but it's still reasonable.

Can you get Spurs salary space left ?
41 + 7,8 + 7 that gives 55 mil for 12 players. Am I right ?

[rjv]

so matt barnes, j lucas III, billups, oden and such are the possible options. we are probably out of the running for a jr smith, kirilenko, mayo, etc.. it will be interesting to see what the 2015 free agent class looks like though.

[deibero]

~5.8m if we amnesty Bonner.

3 yrs/ 20 mil backload deal could land kirilenko probably...

that will leave us with the 5mil/2yr room exception, and probably the vet minimum to add 1 or 2 more pieces...

[timtonymanu]

$7M is at or slightly above market value for him, and the likelihood of him actually changing teams was slim-to-none. Worst deal since RJ.

A 2 year contract is nothing compared to RJ. Think of something better.

[Mal]

Spurs cannot amnesty Bonner, only Parker is eligible. per J McDonald



Tony Parker is not going to be amnestied. He is, however, the only player the Spurs have who is reasonably amnesty eligible.

Technically, if the Spurs picked up the team option on Matt Bonner, they could chose him. But that would be kind of stupid, and the Spurs aren’t stupid.

They also could technically get rid of Cory Joseph, but with just $1.1 million owed to him next year, why? Again, the Spurs are not stupid.

That’s also why they won’t amnesty Parker.

[BatManu20]

3 yrs/ 20 mil backload deal could land kirilenko probably...

that will leave us with the 5mil/2yr room exception, and probably the vet minimum to add 1 or 2 more pieces...

Someone will offer him more than that.... the guy turned down a $10 million option to become a FA. He can also start for any other team. Seriously doubt we get AK47 at this point.

[coachmac87]

This years cap space will be determined once we figure out how much $ Manu and Tiago are getting their first year.

[lurker23]

Spurs cannot amnesty Bonner, only Parker is eligible. per J McDonald

I think you should re-read the tweet.

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[Bruno]

Can you get Spurs salary space left ?
41 + 7,8 + 7 that gives 55 mil for 12 players. Am I right ?

I have $6M with a $58.5M cap space, Bonner amnestied and Neal renounced.

[deibero]

Spurs cannot amnesty Bonner, only Parker is eligible. per J McDonald

read his tweet again... he said other than bonner, parker is the other availble amnesty candidate... bonner is a perfectly fine candidate for amnesty

[Mal]

Someone will offer him more than that.... the guy turned down a $10 million option to become a FA. He can also start for any other team. Seriously doubt we get AK47 at this point.

He isnt about money. He played in europe in lockout year, because he wanted to help his hometown team.

And Spurs shouldnt offer him 3 yrs, since Duncan, Ginobili will be gone after 2.

[AFBlue]

A 2 year contract is nothing compared to RJ. Think of something better.

I didn't say it was worse than RJ did I? I compared because the Spurs essentially bid against themselves and lost. And the price is that the Spurs will more than likely only have MLE to offer. At least at one point they could offer more than most contending teams.

[Mal]

I have $6M with a $58.5M cap space, Bonner amnestied and Neal renounced.

It`s $6M with after amnestieng Bonner or before ?

[Baam]

Bonner is not getting amnestied...

[deibero]

Someone will offer him more than that.... the guy turned down a $10 million option to become a FA. He can also start for any other team. Seriously doubt we get AK47 at this point.

thats not completely true... he left 10 on the table because he wanted long term security... he will make less per season but guaranteed adding 2 seasons at 10 mil to his contract...

thats not a bad deal if youre ak... say you play this season at 10 mil, you think he could get a 2 yr / 10 mil contract next offseason? probably his value at that point...

then what if he gets injured or has a bad season and cant even get that?

add to that the discount for the chance of playing with his buddy tp and competing for a championship for the first time in his life...

definitely theres some logics and argument to be made!

[Bruno]

It`s $6M with after amnestieng Bonner or before ?

After. If Bonner isn't amnestied, Spurs will be in a MLE scenario.

[Mal]

After. If Bonner isn't amnestied, Spurs will be in a MLE scenario.

No to Kirilenko. Money for missing puzzles like backup C and backup PG.

[AFBlue]

All you blind ass fucking homers need to take a step back and realize Manu was utter garbage in the playoffs. His play was actually a detriment to his team in most cases. Yet, he gets rewarded with an above-market value contrac and eliminates the Spurs from having any cap flexibility in the process. How is that anything but a failure.

The only way it won't be perceived as such is if Manu drinks from the same fountain of youth that Duncan discovered last year. Otherwise, this is a relatively bad deal.

[Spurs Brazil]

Good news

[tuncaboylu]

It should be 12M for 2 years but I'm OK with 14M for 2 years. ıt's a farewell contract at all.

I think 6.5M in first year and 7.5 M next year.

[spurraider21]

Tim cut his salary in half. If Manu does the same, he'd be taking 7 mil
:hat

[tuncaboylu]

No to Kirilenko. Money for missing puzzles like backup C and backup PG.
Nope. We've Diaw-Duncan-Splitter-Baynes and Bonner in front-court. We need a Krilenko type player to play smal ball against some teams like GSW and Miami.

[rjv]

i guess, for what we have, barnes and billups may be the best we can do (defenders who can spread the floor)-but we get older of course.

pretty sure we are out of mayos and jr smith's price range now.

oden still a possibility but i seriously doubt his comeback will be any more successful than brandon roy's was.

[EVAY]

I'm glad to hear that Manu will end his career as a Spur and thrilled that the big three are back together.

I'm okay with the money, frankly. Other teams would have given him more, I believe, and it would just not be right to have him go elsewhere.

[suitedkings]

Wrong


I was implying to sign FAs....not Manu.

[DPG21920]

My guess: 2 years/14M

[Drom John]

Win Shares 2012/2103
All Guards

42) Monta Ellis
43) Manu Ginobili
44) J.J. Redick
45) John Wall
46) Tyreke Evans

94) Alonzo Gee
95) Gary Neal
96) Iman Shumpert

[AFBlue]

Win Shares 2012/2103
All Guards

42) Monta Ellis
43) Manu Ginobili
44) J.J. Redick
45) John Wall
46) Tyreke Evans

94) Alonzo Gee
95) Gary Neal
96) Iman Shumpert

In all seriousness, does that include the playoffs or is it a regular season stat? Because he was fucking garbage in the playoffs.

[AFBlue]

I was implying to sign FAs....not Manu.

Still wrong bro.

[suitedkings]

Still wrong bro.

So the Spurs don't have the MLE to work with?

[AFBlue]

So the Spurs don't have the MLE to work with?

They could have had more than MLE if Manu signed for less $$. You insinuated they were in the MLE situation regardless, which is factually inaccurate.

[Mel_13]

They could have had more than MLE if Manu signed for less $$. You insinuated they were in the MLE situation regardless, which is factually inaccurate.

Only if one assumes that the Spurs were going to amnesty Bonner. With no Bonner amnesty all they have is the MLE whether Manu signs for 7M or 5M.

[AFBlue]

Only if one assumes that the Spurs were going to amnesty Bonner. With no Bonner amnesty all they have is the MLE whether Manu signs for 7M or 5M.

Fair enough.

[ElNono]

My guess: 2 years/14M

DPG

[tesseractive]

Only if one assumes that the Spurs were going to amnesty Bonner. With no Bonner amnesty all they have is the MLE whether Manu signs for 7M or 5M.
If we could get someone to take Bonner and DeColo as expiring contracts, we could still take back $8M in salary, right?

[Mel_13]

If we could get someone to take Bonner and DeColo as expiring contracts, we could still take back $8M in salary, right?

Yes.

[tesseractive]

Yes.
So if there's somebody out there trying to clear cap for next year, we could still add a pretty important piece.

[Mel_13]

So if there's somebody out there trying to clear cap for next year, we could still add a pretty important piece.

Yes.

The Spurs have the MLE, several expiring contracts, and a sign and trade candidate (Neal). It's a bit early to assume that there will be no additions/changes.

[kobyz]

You poor baby!

you are the biggest piece of trash in the history! you make me want to throw up, you such full of crap!! please go fuck yourself and don't come here again! piece of shit!!

[dallasmaverickslose]

you are the biggest piece of trash in the history! you make me want to throw up, you such full of crap!! please go fuck yourself and don't come here again! piece of shit!!

Hmm, it appears that somebody's feathers have been ruffled.

[elmanutres]

would rather have manu retire as a spur than to spend his final years in some other team like pierce in brooklyn or ewing in orlando

[DPG21920]

DPG

I saw it coming. I was prepared. We just have to see how things shake out because ultimately, as Mel and Chinook said, it could end up a non-issue with Manu getting 7m vs 5m if they can land their guy with the MLE or by doing a S&T.

[ElNono]

I saw it coming. I was prepared. We just have to see how things shake out because ultimately, as Mel and Chinook said, it could end up a non-issue with Manu getting 7m vs 5m if they can land their guy with the MLE or by doing a S&T.

Or maybe AK said no, and they went this route. We don't know. We might never know.

[Blake]

My guess: 2 years/14M

I bet you're way off

[DPG21920]

Or maybe AK said no, and they went this route. We don't know. We might never know.

Sure, that's possible. Do you only deal with absolutes and don't like using logic to come to a conclusion before you see the actual result?

[DPG21920]

I bet you're way off

Huh

[ElNono]

Sure, that's possible. Do you only deal with absolutes and don't like using logic to come to a conclusion before you see the actual result?

I use logic when there's information. Since there's no information here, any guess is as good as the other.

[Blake]

Huh

Prups bruh.

I was in the group that thought it would be $5 per.

[Drom John]

In all seriousness, does that include the playoffs or is it a regular season stat? Because he was fucking garbage in the playoffs.

Playoff Win Shares 2012/2013
Spurs get PT bumps for making it to the finals.

8) Tony Allen
9) Manu Ginobili
10) Raymond Felton

27) Jason Terry
28) Marco Belinelli
29) James Harden

34) Cory Joseph
35) Gary Neal
36) Klay Thompson

[Drom John]

Playoff WS/48 2012/13

31) Francisco Garcia
32) Manu Ginobili
33) Dwyane Wade

42) Cory Joseph
43) Marco Belinelli
44) Mario Chalmers

49) Carlos Delfino
50) Gary Neal
51) Joe Johnson

[Drom John]

BTW, that's out of 94 playoff guards, including G, G-F, F-G.
IOW, the disappointment in Ginobili's play and the heartbreak near championship has made people's eyes misremember Ginobili's actual play.
Nowhere near as good as F-G LeBron James, or G Chris Paul, or Tony.
But Ginobili played better in the playoffs than Dwyane Wade, James Harden, Thabo Sefalosha, [Belinelli], Mario Chalmers, [Gary Neal], Joe Johnson, Klay Thompson, Jeff Teague, J.J. Redick, Monta Ellis, Jeremy Lin.

[Drom John]

All Playoff Players, not just guards, 209 players.

WS
18) Tony Allen
19) Manu Ginobili
20) Zach Randolph

WS/48
74) Zach Randolph
75) Manu Ginobili
76) Richard Jefferson (my argument is blown with 39 minutes of garbage time)

[therealtruth]

Someone should ask him how much the Heat were paying him.

[PlayNando]

Someone should ask him how much the Heat were paying him.
STFU, clown.