Manu Agrees to a 2 Year Deal

[whitemamba]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22623221/manu-ginobili-announces-twoyear-deal-with-spurs

2 more years Spur fan, 2 more years..

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He deserves it.

[whitemamba]

^ so this is a thank you contract?

[ElNono]

great news!

[jeebus]

http://i.imgur.com/2U7e4lH.gif

upstairs probably already suicidal over speculation about how much he's gonna make

[whitemamba]

http://i.imgur.com/2U7e4lH.gif

upstairs probably already suicidal over speculation about how much he's gonna make

:lol wtf jeebus

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^ so this is a thank you contract?

No, the timing is skewed for a "thank you contract." This is to try again in as close of a shadow as they can get to what they've done the last two seasons. They're close.

And they know it.

[whitemamba]

No, the timing is skewed for a "thank you contract." This is to try again in as close of a shadow as they can get to what they've done the last two seasons. They're close.

And they know it.

not close enough though?

[Michael Jordan.]

No, the timing is skewed for a "thank you contract." This is to try again in as close of a shadow as they can get to what they've done the last two seasons. They're close.

And they know it.
No not close. They had their chance and blew it. Remember, Miami won back to back without a legit center.

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not close enough though?

They had it won. It was truly over. Not that goofy "a call here, a rebound there" malarkey. That series was over. They're going to mirror it, start back down & finish it.

[Mugen]

Great news.

Do the Lakers counter and bring back The Machine tbh?

[jeebus]

:lol wtf jeebus
suicidal, son.

[jeebus]

Great news.

Do the Lakers counter and bring back The Machine tbh?
either him, Samaki Walker, or Chris Mihm imo smdh

[timtonymanu]

http://i.imgur.com/2U7e4lH.gif

upstairs probably already suicidal over speculation about how much he's gonna make

You should look it up. Faggots like TheGreatYacht have the razors ready.

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No not close. They had their chance and blew it. Remember, Miami won back to back without a legit center.

James is too leaky a vessel to put faith into. If he crosses over and claims his mantle it will be apparent and we'll all bow down in unison. But, that ain't where it's at this morning. And Popovich knows it, his players, the NBA rank & file know it. It's wide open.

[Robz4000]

http://i.imgur.com/2U7e4lH.gif

upstairs probably already suicidal over speculation about how much he's gonna make

:lol

[jeebus]

You should look it up. Faggots like TheGreatYacht have the razors ready.
razors? son, look at the gif. they got the flare in hand, goin in raw.

[timtonymanu]

razors? son, look at the gif. they got the flare in hand, goin in raw.

:lol noted

[ElNono]

http://i.imgur.com/2U7e4lH.gif

upstairs probably already suicidal over speculation about how much he's gonna make


http://www.arthursclipart.org/death/death/death%20by%20suicide.gif

[ElNono]

tbh, I hate they tease you with shit like that and never carry on with it...

[Koolaid_Man]

James is too leaky a vessel to put faith into. If he crosses over and claims his mantle it will be apparent and we'll all bow down in unison. But, that ain't where it's at this morning. And Popovich knows it, his players, the NBA rank & file know it. It's wide open.

^ this is the realest shit you ever wrote...

Every real NBA G...already know that Lebron lucked up on that title..they'll acknowledge he won but I guaran-dam-tee in private they're not respecting that Nigga...they saw how he folded in game 6 and they saw how the Spurs choked on top of his fold...

[jeebus]

tbh, I hate they tease you with shit like that and never carry on with it...
when gnsf threatens suicide?

[ElNono]

when gnsf threatens suicide?

yeah... they post those cutting gifs but keep posting

the only thing worse than that 4 year Tiago deal, is having to hear em whine for 4 years...

[jeebus]

yeah... they post those cutting gifs but keep posting

the only thing worse than that 4 year Tiago deal, is having to hear em whine for 4 years...
hm, we do need a good culling after picking up so many gnsf over the past couple months. I wouldn't mind if a couple hundred of them ended their lives.

[NASpurs]

http://i.imgur.com/2U7e4lH.gif

upstairs probably already suicidal over speculation about how much he's gonna make

Shit, I laughed at the gif. I feel like a bad person now. Hold me jeebus.

[jeebus]

Shit, I laughed at the gif. I feel like a bad person now. Hold me jeebus.
I refuse.

[NASpurs]

:pctoss

[benefactor]

Culburn with the goods in this thread.

Upstairs is a mess. Between the Splitter contract and Manu returning they are all lined up shoulder to shoulder, swords in reverse in front of them preparing to fall on them.

[jeebus]

good good, I pray that blood will be spilt this day.

[spurraider21]

They had it won. It was truly over. Not that goofy "a call here, a rebound there" malarkey. That series was over. They're going to mirror it, start back down & finish it.
:worthy:

[StrengthAndHonor]

James is too leaky a vessel to put faith into. If he crosses over and claims his mantle it will be apparent and we'll all bow down in unison. But, that ain't where it's at this morning. And Popovich knows it, his players, the NBA rank & file know it. It's wide open.
Good shit.

[jeebus]

laughing my ass off

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[gnsf0946]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

Isn't that a good deal?

[gnsf0946]

Isn't that a good deal?

yep, 1 mil a year for each turnover in a single game

[jeebus]

Isn't that a good deal?
I like the 2 year deal but I think they overpaid just a bit. I'm not sure how much cap space the Spurms have left, which is why I'm crying out to God for RC to amnesty Boner.

[resistanze]

Kids to feed, tbh

[Clipper Nation]

Since when did the Spurs become dumb - first the Splitter overpay, now this? :lol

If I were Buford and Pop, I'd have sooner let Turnobili walk to Houston and hope his unclutch turnovers could sabotage their team in the playoffs instead of paying that much to keep him, tbh....

[Josepatches_]

Manu is worth 14$ million /2 years

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It was a 50% cut. That's significant.

[jeebus]

Since when did the Spurs become dumb - first the Splitter overpay, now this? :lol

If I were Buford and Pop, I'd have sooner let Turnobili walk to Houston and hope his unclutch turnovers could sabotage their team in the playoffs instead of paying that much to keep him, tbh....
Every big man in the league is overpaid except for Timmy, that's just how things are nowadays.

Ray Allen has a 2 year, $6.3m contract. He took one for the team. I don't know why manu couldn't do the same so we could go after a decent role player. #amnestyboner

[jimbo]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[gnsf0946]

Manu is worth 14$ million /2 years

for his foul on Dirk in '06 or his 8 turnovers in 6?

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for his faul on Dirk in '06 or his 8 turnovers in 6?

For the 4.

[Leetonidas]

I really wish he would've taken 5 million a season, those extra couple million could've help nab us a decent FA.

What is our cap situation now with Splitter and Manu making a combined 16 million next season? Fuck I hope we amnesty Bonner :pctoss

[HI-FI]

They had it won. It was truly over. Not that goofy "a call here, a rebound there" malarkey. That series was over. They're going to mirror it, start back down & finish it.
Damn, that's more positive than anything I've written since the Finals. Props Cully. The team and Pop must realize by now how beatable the heat are, even though we blew it. If Manu gets a fair deal then I think everyone is dead set on making it back.

edit: just saw he's supposedly making 14 mill for 2 seasons. I don't know. Guess it is time to amnesty Bonner.

[Robz4000]

$5mil was asking for too much, but god damn. Wonder if there's a possible trade in the works? Spurs should realize they do actually need a few tweaks to contend the next year or two, rather than just bringing everyone back like they did last year. Maybe they truly think Leonard and Green can bring that much more to the table next year?

[jeebus]

:lol I'll probably go gnsf if they bring back Neal and Bonner and that's it.

[gnsf0946]

:lol I'll probably go gnsf if they bring back Neal and Bonner and that's it.

Neal not sure but Bonner is pretty much a lock for return in all his glory. :depressed

[sexinthatsx]

how quickly we forget the clutch Manu 3 against the Warriors to even advnace to the finals in the first place... smh. fuck these haters.

[gnsf0946]

how quickly we forget the clutch Manu 3 against the Warriors to even advnace to the finals in the first place... smh. fuck these haters.

you obviously don't have a problem forgetting his 3 before that one, Manu gave some this postseason but he took A LOT more.

also, Manu not contributing much if any trough whole finals besides game 5? no problem, we didn't really need him anyways but in game 6 not only did he not contribute but he was Miami's 3rd best player on the floor and that's not easy to forget (especially with Thread back :lol)

[sexinthatsx]

you obviously don't have a problem forgetting his 3 before that one, Manu gave some this postseason but he took A LOT more.

which one sent the game to overtime? Which one counted at the most crucial point?

[gnsf0946]

which one sent the game to overtime? Which one counted at the most crucial point?

tbqh I'd rather we lost to GSW than had 6

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

for his foul on Dirk in '06 or his 8 turnovers in 6?

LOL. How about his 48 points in the Suns series in 07? Or his 24/10 performance the game before 6? Yeah, JJ Redick who is making 6.5 million sure would have done the latter.

[LnGrrrR]

Jeebus, you're a fucking asshole











































:lmao :lmao :lmao

[gnsf0946]

LOL. How about his 48 points in the Suns series in 07? Or his 24/10 performance the game before 6? Yeah, JJ Redick who is making 6.5 million sure would have done the latter.

I don't mind him being resigned, he deserves that much but I'm pretty sure he'd stay even with a 10mil/2year deal which would give us room to bring someone, but now the chances of that happening are very slim

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I don't mind him being resigned, he deserves that much but I'm pretty sure he'd stay even with a 10mil/2year deal which would give us room to bring someone, but now the chances of that happening are very slim

We still have the MLE and LLE.

The Spurs prospects: Ellis, Kirilenko, Billups, Oden and Barnes all can sign those. Hell, maybe two.

[mercos]

Considering how underpaid he was for most of his career, I'm ok with overpaying him by a couple of million now. As Thread pointed out, the Spurs are still close and can compete again next year with essentially the same lineup. Why mess with a team that was a minute away from a championship?

[gnsf0946]

We still have the MLE and LLE.

The Spurs prospects: Ellis, Kirilenko, Billups, Oden and Barnes all can sign those. Hell, maybe two.

eh, we'll see but I won't hold my breath

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

eh, we'll see but I won't hold my breath

Another typical off season for SA.

[AchillesHeel]

:lol

[sexinthatsx]

tbqh I'd rather we lost to GSW than had 6

Now you're just talking like an idiot.

[sexinthatsx]

Thinking you can sign Monta Ellis with MLE :lol:lol:lol

[gnsf0946]

Now you're just talking like an idiot.

why? same result (no championship) but without having 6 as one of the biggest failures in NBA history.

[spursince#99]

Manu was selfish for taking that extra $1M.

[sexinthatsx]

why? same result (no championship) but without having 6 as one of the biggest failures in NBA history.

Just... stfu

[ElNono]

The Spurs are making that money back in the first year alone by selling Manu jerseys to be@ners, tbh...

They do need to do package Bonner+Neal and get some other playmaker in return...

[Thread]

Just... stfu

lol

[Nathan89]

They had it won. It was truly over. Not that goofy "a call here, a rebound there" malarkey. That series was over. They're going to mirror it, start back down & finish it.

Not a chance.

[FkLA]

Tim and Tony should be making the max but niggas took one for the team. Manu is worth the 7 imo, so I wouldnt say he's overpaid...but hes also not underpaid. He didnt take one for the team. Especially with how close we were this season I figured he would to help us nab a key FA, pretty disappointed in him tbh.

[ElNono]

Tim and Tony should be making the max but niggas took one for the team. Manu is worth the 7 imo, so I wouldnt say he's overpaid...but hes also not underpaid. He didnt take one for the team. Especially with how close we were this season I figured he would to help us nab a key FA, pretty disappointed in him tbh.

You're assuming the FO would've used the amnesty on Bonner. I'm nowhere near sure of that.

[HI-FI]

that would be hilarious if this contract does come back to bite us in the ass, sort of like Manu's last contract. so is Argie nigga going to run his body down in the summer, like usual, playing for his national team? guess we'll find out.

at this point, i'm just going to wait to vent GNSF style until I see what we're doing near the playoffs. Perhaps we're waiting for a mid season acquisition.

[ElNono]

that would be hilarious if this contract does come back to bite us in the ass, sort of like Manu's last contract. so is Argie nigga going to run his body down in the summer, like usual, playing for his national team? guess we'll find out.

at this point, i'm just going to wait to vent GNSF style until I see what we're doing near the playoffs. Perhaps we're waiting for a mid season acquisition.

He already told the NT coach he won't play this summer...

[benefactor]

Culburn with the goods in this thread.

Upstairs is a mess. Between the Splitter contract and Manu returning they are all lined up shoulder to shoulder, swords in reverse in front of them preparing to fall on them.
...and onto the sword they go.

[benefactor]

He had career lows across the board, his advanced stats were terrible, and he missed twenty plus games. He was terrible. The Spurs just buried Duncan with this contract...pathetic. Guarantee that Ginobili won't even suit up for half the games next season.


dude he did that THIS year and sucked at it. his shooting % plummeted and he hasn't adjusted his shot. enough fade away threes....and sure as hell enough with the Tony Romo turnovers


Spurs should of let him lose at $7mm. He's quickly becoming a player who gets on my damn nerves.


International Intelligence? We're not playing FIBA basketball. Everyday that passes this offseason is making me think the Spurs are less likely to get back to the Finals.


I'm sorry, but I'm starting to become more of a Timmy fan than a Spurs fan. Timmy scarified money for the better of the team, the Spurs aren't paying him back though. Timmy deserves at least 5 rings.


Nobody else in the NBA would be stupid enough to pay Manu 7 million a year. The Manu fanboi in this forum are like crack addicts with their absurd Manu love.


Great job, Spurs. That's almost a million bucks per turnover in Game 6. And that's at least 6M more than I thought it would be. I was hoping for 4M a year, a 2/8M deal. The guy plays 20 minutes a game, and misses at least a third of the season. If we had won the title this year, I could see this making sense - as a reward. But this? Tim makes what, 10M a year? And Manu makes 7M? On what planet does that make sense?


Called it. How much do we have left? About $2M? That's about the amount the qualifying offer we gave to Gary Neal right? Different year, same team.

MLE though. I bet we spend it on some unknown player like Vitor Faverani or we sign a point guard. If you're a Spurs fan you're going to have to get used to these 'disappointments', but you know there's always a solid reason behind them. I'm calling MLE on Korver, Kirilenko, Bynum (looooong, long shot). Ellis is going to get scooped up by the Bucks. Oden for the vet min because Blair is walking away. If not Oden, DeShaun Thomas takes his spot.



Manu speaks Spanish, and that's worth 7 mil a year to the Spurs.

There's no basketball reason to pay a scrub that much money. And that's what Manu is at this point, a scrub.


What a bad off season. It had to happen sometime. Our front office clearly doesnt know when to let go. All we can do as Spurs fans is wait til after 2014-2015 when all the money comes off the books.

This speaks volumes about the attitude going forward. The team has elected to play the nastalgia card and will be somewhat competitive, but signing Manu to so much money is a sign of the end. It is a reward as the Spurs start a two year farewell tour.

I think most of us had hoped that they would find a way to transition to the next competitve team, but it is obvious that within three years we will be a lottery team. The biggest question mark for this year will be, can the Spurs continue to win 50 games? I think they will win about 45 and be a 7th seed. The following year we will be fighting for to break even.

We have no way to improve, while the big three weather away.


game over man, game over

this plus how much Tiago got is about the worst case scenario for the off season
Glorious meltdown tbh.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

lol killing themselves over sports entertainment

[gnsf0946]

Manu speaks Spanish, and that's worth 7 mil a year to the Spurs.

There's no basketball reason to pay a scrub that much money. And that's what Manu is at this point, a scrub.

solid take tbh although i always thought of Spurs as a refuge for French soft asses

[HI-FI]

i can't make fun of the meltdown. i would join in but i'm patient enough to see how the rest of the free agency goes. We might have some surprises around the all star break. I know the Spurs look at the big picture better than most. That being said, if we're putting our hopes in Tiago or Manu, plus willing to pay Neal better money, then I don't like our chances.

[FireMicoHalili]

Glorious meltdown tbh.
Nother one of those guys who don't know what tbh means...

[benefactor]

Nother one of those guys who don't know what tbh means...
http://s3.favim.com/orig/44/shut-up-Favim.com-369715.gif

[FireMicoHalili]

I'd take it over picking up someone like Big Al or Monta and finding out the new chip doesn't fit ( Richard Jefferson). It's also going to take some time before the new guy gets used to the Spurs system (takes about a year or so). Solid pick-up. Kirilenko still at play for MLE.

[FireMicoHalili]

http://s3.favim.com/orig/44/shut-up-Favim.com-369715.gif
K

[Rogue]

it's unfair for manu to take the whole responsibility and blame for the finals defeat imho. Dude won you game 5, and it wasn't his mistake that your role players (notably Danny Green) built a house with bricks in the crucial game 7

[marzbarz]

why? same result (no championship) but without having 6 as one of the biggest failures in NBA history.

NBA Finals defeat>>>>>>WCSF defeat

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NBA Finals defeat>>>>>>WCSF defeat

Only because it was a means to the end (Charlie Potatoes). Once it failed you were mashed potatoes with the other 28 of us.

[Mugen]

i can't make fun of the meltdown. i would join in but i'm patient enough to see how the rest of the free agency goes. We might have some surprises around the all star break. I know the Spurs look at the big picture better than most. That being said, if we're putting our hopes in Tiago or Manu, plus willing to pay Neal better money, then I don't like our chances.

Meh. The only threat to the Spurs in the West just lost their 3rd leading scorer for the 2nd year in a row.

Teams very rarely go the Finals 4 years in a row.

No team has really significantly yet improved outside of Brooklyn and they're still not a legit contender.

Even if the Spurs bring back the same team, I like their chances of getting back to the Finals tbh.

[marzbarz]

Only because it was a means to the end (Charlie Potatoes). Once it failed you were mashed potatoes with the other 28 of us.

I enjoyed the ride, fuck going out in the second round.

[gnsf0946]

NBA Finals defeat>>>>>>WCSF defeat
i would agree with you if it wasn't for 6 tbh

NBA finals defeat>>>>>>>>WCSF defeat>>>>>>>>>6 but since we can't have NBA finals defeat without 6 we get

WCSF defeat>>>>>>>>>>6

[ohmwrecker]

Those idiots upstairs get riled up really easily. It's fun for about a minute.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219136

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I enjoyed the ride, fuck going out in the second round.

There is no difference. You make the playoffs. You win the last game you play. There is nothing else.

[marzbarz]

i would agree with you if it wasn't for 6 tbh

NBA finals defeat>>>>>>>>WCSF defeat>>>>>>>>>6 but since we can't have NBA finals defeat without 6 we get

WCSF defeat>>>>>>>>>>6

Game 6 fucking hit me right in the nuts just like anyone else, but goddamn that doesn't mean you bitch out and wished we never got there. Some of you guys take this shit too seriously, this was a great playoff run and i enjoyed every minute of it. If you cant get past 6, then it sucks to be you.

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Game 6 fucking hit me right in the nuts just like anyone else, but goddamn that doesn't mean you bitch out and wished we never got there. Some of you guys take this shit too seriously, this was a great playoff run and i enjoyed every minute of it. If you cant get past 6, then it sucks to be you.

That's a cop out. "too seriously" because you lost. If you'd a won the ceiling would be the limit for your emotional state. You can't be a piss pot loser and then expect be anything else as a winner. You must suffer the slings & arrows of outrageous fortune and let it bleed out. To force a compress on that gash is pussy. You'll "die" yes, but, you'll be reborn & resurrected in victory. I died in '84. I was very fortunate to rise a year later. That may well happen to you as well, or, you may linger in the winds for years, but, your soul will be pure.

[Kool Bob Love]

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[HI-FI]

Meh. The only threat to the Spurs in the West just lost their 3rd leading scorer for the 2nd year in a row.

Teams very rarely go the Finals 4 years in a row.

No team has really significantly yet improved outside of Brooklyn and they're still not a legit contender.

Even if the Spurs bring back the same team, I like their chances of getting back to the Finals tbh.

good point. the sad truth is Spurs don't have tons of options because it's not like FAs are beating down the door to come here. I think some seek us out, but a lot don't. So if that means overpaying Manu again to keep the Central and South American fans happy, it's not the end of the world.

Since we can't be the ultimate FA destination (tbh not sure if there is a number 1 anymore, as the Begging has taught us), we hang our hat on our ability to scout and develop, and we tend to have pleasant surprises with that. I have a lot of faith in Kawhi taking it to another level, but I'm just as interested in Nando and CoJo's growth.

Perhaps this new CBA is doing its thang, preventing any team from massively improving. If the CBA has that effect, Spurs should be in better shape for the future.

[Mugen]

good point. the sad truth is Spurs don't have tons of options because it's not like FAs are beating down the door to come here. I think some seek us out, but a lot don't. So if that means overpaying Manu again to keep the Central and South American fans happy, it's not the end of the world.

Since we can't be the ultimate FA destination (tbh not sure if there is a number 1 anymore, as the Begging has taught us), we hang our hat on our ability to scout and develop, and we tend to have pleasant surprises with that. I have a lot of faith in Kawhi taking it to another level, but I'm just as interested in Nando and CoJo's growth.

Perhaps this new CBA is doing its thang, preventing any team from massively improving. If the CBA has that effect, Spurs should be in better shape for the future.

Good point.

The Begging truly signifies the end of an era. It shows how the mighty have fallen when Clyde Drexler and a skype date with Yao can be enough to lure the marquee FA from the marquee FA destination.

Hopefully, we are getting our first glimpse of the new NBA landscape.

[ElNono]

Spurs need to grab Beverly from Houston with the MLE and that knocks out OKC right there... :lol

[marzbarz]

That's a cop out. "too seriously" because you lost. If you'd a won the ceiling would be the limit for your emotional state. You can't be a piss pot loser and then expect be anything else as a winner. You must suffer the slings & arrows of outrageous fortune and let it bleed out. To force a compress on that gash is pussy. You'll "die" yes, but, you'll be reborn & resurrected in victory. I died in '84. I was very fortunate to rise a year later. That may well happen to you as well, or, you may linger in the winds for years, but, your soul will be pure.

Nothing to cop out. I wanted the Spurs to win and they didn't. It sucked but life goes on. Just like it continues even if they had won. In the end, its just basketball.

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In the end, its just basketball.

That's a cop out. If you'd a won you'd be equating it with the happiest times in your life and you'd be entitled to that conviction. Only you can judge your heart, marz. If you're going to play "it's just a game" you don't belong on this Board. You're not worthy.

[Kool Bob Love]

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[ohmwrecker]

Spurs need to grab Beverly from Houston with the MLE and that knocks out OKC right there... :lol

Rather have Beverly than Nando ...

[marzbarz]

That's a cop out. If you'd a won you'd be equating it with the happiest times in your life and you'd be entitled to that conviction. Only you can judge your heart, marz. If you're going to play "it's just a game" you don't belong on this Board. You're not worthy.

1. Spurs Loss= I wake up in the morning deal with work, family, bills, real life shit etc...

2. Spurs Win= I wake up in the morning deal with work, family, bills, real life shit etc...

A Spurs championship does not merit "the happiest time of my life". My own personal accomplishments>>>>Spurs chip... for me anyway. You can talk about "heart" and "suffering" and any other bullshit sports cliches all you want, it still doesn't change the fact that it's just basketball. Oh and I'll fucking post where ever the fuck I want.

[gnsf0946]

That's a cop out. "too seriously" because you lost. If you'd a won the ceiling would be the limit for your emotional state. You can't be a piss pot loser and then expect be anything else as a winner. You must suffer the slings & arrows of outrageous fortune and let it bleed out. To force a compress on that gash is pussy. You'll "die" yes, but, you'll be reborn & resurrected in victory. I died in '84. I was very fortunate to rise a year later. That may well happen to you as well, or, you may linger in the winds for years, but, your soul will be pure.

Thread with the goods as per the usual

too bad most people don't have the balls to accept them

[FkLA]

You're assuming the FO would've used the amnesty on Bonner. I'm nowhere near sure of that.

Doesnt matter. It's all about flexibility. An extra 2 mill in cap space wouldve gone a long way not just in signing a FA but maybe a possible s&t. The only reason I'm not overly pissed is bc Manu was ridiculously underpaid during the contract he signed in 04.

[ElNono]

Doesnt matter. It's all about flexibility. An extra 2 mill in cap space wouldve gone a long way not just in signing a FA but maybe a possible s&t. The only reason I'm not overly pissed is bc Manu was ridiculously underpaid during the contract he signed in 04.

I just don't buy the theory Manu strongarmed anything... I'm sure if the Spurs needed a discount from him, he would've given it to them... but that's JMO

[whitemamba]

Fuck! just boil it down already!

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^tee, hee.

[whitemamba]

^tee, hee.

"You cant handle the truth"

[whitemamba]

^tee, hee.
To my Spur Fans
"You cant handle the truth"

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol upstairs and the dont cry for me argentina wankers

[benefactor]

Don't know that I've ever seen this level of grey on grey violence.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219176

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What's the thread title, Bene, I can't get there thru the link because crab ass Kori blocked me.

[Leetonidas]

how quickly we forget the clutch Manu 3 against the Warriors to even advnace to the finals in the first place... smh. fuck these haters.
It was in the first game of the series, let's not act like he closed them out with that shot. And his 8 turnovers in Game 6 outweigh anything else in the playoffs in my eyes

[TDMVPDPOY]

wasnt this clown already on a loyalty contract? wtf did spurs overpay to keep this clown?

doesnt make sense, spurs should be going in a different direction that is rebuilding around Kawhi, not adding/minus pieces of shit around the previous TOSB big 3 idiots....

[Leetonidas]

That's a cop out. "too seriously" because you lost. If you'd a won the ceiling would be the limit for your emotional state. You can't be a piss pot loser and then expect be anything else as a winner. You must suffer the slings & arrows of outrageous fortune and let it bleed out. To force a compress on that gash is pussy. You'll "die" yes, but, you'll be reborn & resurrected in victory. I died in '84. I was very fortunate to rise a year later. That may well happen to you as well, or, you may linger in the winds for years, but, your soul will be pure.
:cry so fucking beautiful :cry

[TDMVPDPOY]

It was in the first game of the series, let's not act like he closed them out with that shot. And his 8 turnovers in Game 6 outweigh anything else in the playoffs in my eyes

out through last season playoffs he has done alot of shit that is very questionable...stupid plays after another then makes some bullshit clutch shot, then every fkn moron just forgives his previous bullshit plays...

if he didnt have any bullshit plays, the team wouldnt be in position to be playing from behind and relying on miracle shots to win games...

how many games did you felt that shit this clown is going to do something very stupid in the final seconds last possession games...a vet doing boneheaded rookie mistakes is not warranted...

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^You can't turn your back on him, TD. Without him you're not at 4. Each of your core corresponded to that Finals defeat. To single Manu out for derision & punishment/banishment is wrong. They were there when you needed them each of the 4 times. Now, for the first time they need you. Where are you?

[Spurs9]

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[TDMVPDPOY]

^You can't turn your back on him, TD. Without him you're not at 4. Each of your core corresponded to that Finals defeat. To single Manu out for derision & punishment/banishment is wrong. They were there when you needed them each of the 4 times. Now, for the first time they need you. Where are you?

laying an egg with 8 turnovers while continue to get minutes for that game?
we were in that game every damn possession until this clown continue to dig a bigger hole for the spurs to climb out of...

you cant forgive and forget for his plays for the last 6-7 seasons man, thats like 2-3 rings missing from the trophy cabinet
but wankers upstairs love to live in the past and not the present, to give him that contract...

if you going to hate, you cant just single out one player and have a different set of standards for another

[Leetonidas]

^You can't turn your back on him, TD. Without him you're not at 4. Each of your core corresponded to that Finals defeat. To single Manu out for derision & punishment/banishment is wrong. They were there when you needed them each of the 4 times. Now, for the first time they need you. Where are you?

Most of us aren't turning our backs on him, we all appreciate what he has done for this franchise. But he was absolute dogshit in the playoffs and most of the season and outside of three games he was mostly MIA...and in one of those games he didn't do shit until he hit that three against GS. He forced terrible shots, I mean his fucking chucking from three point land is ridiculous and most of them are awful step back three pointers early in the shot clock. I love Manu, but he cannot be excused for his garbage play this postseason and we all have a right to criticize him for not taking a paycut when Duncan/Parker are being paid way below market value so the team can compete. Some people here want to blindly suck Manu off and excuse him from everything but I try to evaluate them all equally. If Tim Duncan shat the bed against Miami, and he really is my favorite player, he would not be excused from criticism either. I still want him on this team, just disappointed heavily in recent events compounded by his resigning for 14 million.

But, you live with Manu, you die with Manu

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laying an egg with 8 turnovers while continue to get minutes for that game?
we were in that game every damn possession until this clown continue to dig a bigger hole for the spurs to climb out of...

you cant forgive and forget for his plays for the last 6-7 seasons man, thats like 2-3 rings missing from the trophy cabinet
but wankers upstairs love to live in the past and not the present, to give him that contract...

if you going to hate, you cant just single out one player and have a different set of standards for another

But, he took a 50% cut from 14 to 7. That in and of itself is terribly humbling. He has not mouthed off, or, lodged a grudge over it. He took it like a man.

So, you're going to start all over again with a fresh face and trust that guy to get to 5? It's so fucking hard to win a ring. You don't appreciate the concept because you don't have to experience that gauntlet. You just want the ring. You're spoiled, TD, and an ingrate.

Given the opportunity and without risk of physical, or, even verbal retaliation could you cast him down exactly like you have to his face? If you can't do that then you're just still experiencing the grieving process of a Finals defeat.

[TDMVPDPOY]

But, he took a 50% cut from 14 to 7. That in and of itself is terribly humbling. He has not mouthed off, or, lodged a grudge over it. He took it like a man.

So, you're going to start all over again with a fresh face and trust that guy to get to 5? It's so fucking hard to win a ring. You don't appreciate the concept because you don't have to experience that gauntlet. You just want the ring. You're spoiled, TD, and an ingrate.

Given the opportunity and without risk of physical, or, even verbal retaliation could you cast him down exactly like you have to his face? If you can't do that then you're just still experiencing the grieving process of a Finals defeat.


but 14m to 7m is not much of a difference, when he was already on a loyalty contract, now you give him another loyalty contract who hasnt been the same since 2011 b4 the broken hand?

7m for his talent, which is what btw? turnovers? spurs overpaying for his services when which other team was going to throw the money at him?

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Most of us aren't turning our backs on him, we all appreciate what he has done for this franchise. But he was absolute dogshit in the playoffs and most of the season and outside of three games he was mostly MIA...and in one of those games he didn't do shit until he hit that three against GS. He forced terrible shots, I mean his fucking chucking from three point land is ridiculous and most of them are awful step back three pointers early in the shot clock. I love Manu, but he cannot be excused for his garbage play this postseason and we all have a right to criticize him for not taking a paycut when Duncan/Parker are being paid way below market value so the team can compete. Some people here want to blindly suck Manu off and excuse him from everything but I try to evaluate them all equally. If Tim Duncan shat the bed against Miami, and he really is my favorite player, he would not be excused from criticism either. I still want him on this team, just disappointed heavily in recent events compounded by his resigning for 14 million.

But, you live with Manu, you die with Manu

But, Duncan did spot the sheets as well, Lee. Those missed layups and the turnover were incredible.

You can criticize them, they'll understand and they'll take it, they're professionals, but, at the end you have to be there shoulder-to-shoulder, and then they'll know.

It never even crossed my mind to cast Magic down in the Summer of '84. I grieved with him, cried with him and Worthy and Scott. Of course I had no inkling there'd be a liberation of the old just a year later. I could just see it in their faces that Tuesday nite in Boston when they were being humiliated and ruined. I was aghast, pulverized with emotion. I never flinched though, or, judged them.

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but 14m to 7m is not much of a difference, when he was already on a loyalty contract, now you give him another loyalty contract who hasnt been the same since 2011 b4 the broken hand?

7m for his talent, which is what btw? turnovers? spurs overpaying for his services when which other team was going to throw the money at him?

You're angry and not thinking straight. It's normal after what happened.

[Leetonidas]

But, Duncan did spot the sheets as well, Lee. Those missed layups and the turnover were incredible.

You can criticize them, they'll understand and they'll take it, they're professionals, but, at the end you have to be there shoulder-to-shoulder, and then they'll know.

It never even crossed my mind to cast Magic down in the Summer of '84. I grieved with him, cried with him and Worthy and Scott. Of course I had no inkling there'd be a liberation of the old just a year later. I could just see it in their faces that Tuesday nite in Boston when they were being humiliated and ruined. I was aghast, pulverized with emotion. I never flinched though, or, judged them.
Oh I agree Cubby, Timmy definitely fucked up on that bunny and he knows it. But just like I'm not focusing on Manu's late turnovers in Game 7 (because he did in fact come to play, the timing was just terrible) I won't focus on one bad play from Duncan when he did everything in his power to win and played well most of the series, especially in Game 6, his performance would have been legendary stuff had Pop not gone full retard with 28 seconds to go. But Ginobili's issues were more than one play or a couple plays, it was pretty much consistent inconsistency throughout the entire playoffs

[ElNono]

A lot of people are not even close to over that Game 6... they won't be for a while... that's just the fact of it. When you talk Gino right now, the discussion inevitably comes back to G6, every time.

At some point people will move on... just not happening right now, especially with no games to move over to...

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Oh I agree Cubby, Timmy definitely fucked up on that bunny and he knows it. But just like I'm not focusing on Manu's late turnovers in Game 7 (because he did in fact come to play, the timing was just terrible) I won't focus on one bad play from Duncan when he did everything in his power to win and played well most of the series, especially in Game 6, his performance would have been legendary stuff had Pop not gone full retard with 28 seconds to go. But Ginobili's issues were more than one play or a couple plays, it was pretty much consistent inconsistency throughout the entire playoffs

Manu has always been the unpredictable charge. You've been extremely fortunate that he has not cost you before this. Like Daddy with us. We went that entire time in Los Angeles and he never cost us due to his free throw acumen and lack thereof. It was surreal. We enjoyed great fortune with O'Neal and he never cost us. Same thing with you and Manu,,,Manu contributed to this calamity, but, he was not the sole reason. Pop & Duncan were closest to the conflagration when the clock ran out.

[[[IF]]] Parker throws in that desperation toss (on the left baseline) at the very end of 6 you guys would be canonizing Manu.

[TDMVPDPOY]

dunno whats worst, ginos game 6 or tps fmvp aspirations chucking series

this clowns 2 year contract expires the same time as duncan, thats like 21m off the books...who else will be expiring in 2years?

[HI-FI]

but 14m to 7m is not much of a difference, when he was already on a loyalty contract, now you give him another loyalty contract who hasnt been the same since 2011 b4 the broken hand?

7m for his talent, which is what btw? turnovers? spurs overpaying for his services when which other team was going to throw the money at him?
i said the same upstairs, it's like we've given Manu two loyalty/legacy contracts in a row. I don't think other teams would've paid what we did. It's sad a guy who blew our fifth ring is more beloved than Duncan, but that's just socioeconomics at work.

I'm just holding out hope that Manu justifies the 7 million this time, that he doesn't played injured or out of rhythm when it counts. We'll see. If we don't win again then we'll know that we held onto our big 3 too long, but hopefully we have at least one more chance in us.


dunno whats worst, ginos game 6 or tps fmvp aspirations chucking series

this clowns 2 year contract expires the same time as duncan, thats like 21m off the books...who else will be expiring in 2years?
tough call, TP has once again escaped without a lot of blame, but you knew he was going to let his selfishness fuck something up. It's in his nature. I knew as soon as he was saying about Green, "yeah I can't believe they are leaving him so open", i knew Parker was going to go heroball in order to win that Finals MVP.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i said the same upstairs, it's like we've given Manu two loyalty/legacy contracts in a row. I don't think other teams would've paid what we did. It's sad a guy who blew our fifth ring is more beloved than Duncan, but that's just socioeconomics at work.

I'm just holding out hope that Manu justifies the 7 million this time, that he doesn't played injured or out of rhythm when it counts. We'll see. If we don't win again then we'll know that we held onto our big 3 too long, but hopefully we have at least one more chance in us.

i dunno what socialeconomics or what money manu brings to the team when they struggle to fill the stadium even with 2 dollar tickets....

rather they stay under the cap and just collect nba revenue lux tax sharing, then overpay for scrub

this clown next season better have a lesser role on the team, this is the era of kawhi now...i dont want to see kawhi continue to take a backseat to turnoboli, parker, green, chuckerneal

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i dunno what socialeconomics or what money manu brings to the team when they struggle to fill the stadium even with 2 dollar tickets....

rather they stay under the cap and just collect nba revenue lux tax sharing, then overpay for scrub

this clown next season better have a lesser role on the team, this is the era of kawhi now...i dont want to see kawhi continue to take a backseat to turnoboli, parker, green, chuckerneal

You don't want to inundate Leonard. No reason to. When he arrives you don't want him departing in the next breath (like so many do).

You're fortunate to have Manu. You won't realize that until he's gone and you reach for him.

[HI-FI]

You don't want to inundate Leonard. No reason to. When he arrives you don't want him departing in the next breath (like so many do).

You're fortunate to have Manu. You won't realize that until he's gone and you reach for him.

i'm glad we re-signed him. I'm a fan of Manu, even after his horrible Finals. But Manu is the ultimate live by the sword, die by the sword type, and unfortunately he's more of the die by the sword now. I feel we overpaid him, as I think most on here do except his crazy fanboys. But I'm glad he's still here, he just needs to take on a lesser role that doesn't include him turning it over as much. the jury is still out though on if this newest contract will come back to bite us, hopefully not.

[TDMVPDPOY]

You don't want to inundate Leonard. No reason to. When he arrives you don't want him departing in the next breath (like so many do).

You're fortunate to have Manu. You won't realize that until he's gone and you reach for him.

the last 7 seasons if the spurs didnt reach the final 2013, everyone would be wanting the spurs to go in a different direction and start rebuilding around KAWHI and towards the future, then riding whatever is left in duncans tank with the other 2 coatriding clowns...

CHANGE needs to be implemented, yet everyone is afraid....

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the last 7 seasons if the spurs didnt reach the final 2013, everyone would be wanting the spurs to go in a different direction and start rebuilding around KAWHI and towards the future, then riding whatever is left in duncans tank with the other 2 coatriding clowns...

CHANGE needs to be implemented, yet everyone is afraid....

You have changed, Leonard being the fine example. Yes, build around him, but, don't use the tried & "true" method of crowning him. Go against the grain here, make an example of this blueprint, and don't shout it from the mountain top. Just do it and let the result speak for itself. Mix him, so you can't see where Duncan and Parker start and where Leonard leaves off. Where's the fire? There is no hurry. Duncan is going nowhere, neither is Parker or Manu. Plumb the absolute depths of their goodness, send them out barren vessels.

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i'm glad we re-signed him. I'm a fan of Manu, even after his horrible Finals. But Manu is the ultimate live by the sword, die by the sword type, and unfortunately he's more of the die by the sword now. I feel we overpaid him, as I think most on here do except his crazy fanboys. But I'm glad he's still here, he just needs to take on a lesser role that doesn't include him turning it over as much. the jury is still out though on if this newest contract will come back to bite us, hopefully not.

How could you ask him to take more than a 50% cut? Over the phone? But, you couldn't do that in person, looking eye, could you? You owe him for the 4. You can't hide from your debt, HI. If you break him you'll never forgive yourself.

[TDMVPDPOY]

How could you ask him to take more than a 50% cut? Over the phone? But, you couldn't do that in person, looking eye, could you? You owe him for the 4. You can't hide from your debt, HI. If you break him you'll never forgive yourself.

already reward him with the 4 by that loyalty contract he was currently b4 he signed this new 14m/2yr

he basically got 2 loyalty contracts

[sexinthatsx]

i dunno what socialeconomics or what money manu brings to the team when they struggle to fill the stadium even with 2 dollar tickets....

rather they stay under the cap and just collect nba revenue lux tax sharing, then overpay for scrub

this clown next season better have a lesser role on the team, this is the era of kawhi now...i dont want to see kawhi continue to take a backseat to turnoboli, parker, green, chuckerneal

The only backseat Kawhi has taken to was Stephen Jackson's. It was a blessing in disguise, but if Stephen Jackson wasn't waived prior to playoffs, Kawhi wouldn't have even see the light of day come playoffs time...

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already reward him with the 4 by that loyalty contract he was currently b4 he signed this new 14m/2yr

he basically got 2 loyalty contracts

If he was mine? You'd have to drag him away at gunpoint.

We had one similar to Manu,,,at least in the neighborhood, yes? Odom. Not a day goes by I don't regret what happened there. It was a combination of flirting with that hump, that fucking loser bastard, CPO, and then Kupchaks fucking pride. Magic's HIV tops it, but, it's tucked firmly there in 2nd place.

[Mel_13]

If he was mine? You'd have to drag him away at gunpoint.

We had one similar to Manu,,,at least in the neighborhood, yes? Odom. Not a day goes by I don't regret what happened there. It was a combination of flirting with that hump, that fucking loser bastard, CPO, and then Kupchaks fucking pride. Magic's HIV tops it, but, it's tucked firmly there in 2nd place.

Nice to see you providing the voice of reason, Cul.

[TDMVPDPOY]

theres comes a fkn point you must stop with the bs loyalty contracts and shit pieces and move forward

[benefactor]

So much great vintage Culburn in this thread. Good to see Manu bringing it out of you. You have always been a father defending your child when it came to him.

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"So much great vintage Culburn in this thread. Good to see Manu bringing it out of you. You have always been a father defending your child when it came to him."

^Yep, him walking away after decimating someone like they were beneath contempt. Didn't even look back. That's beautiful, like Mutombo's finger, or, Magic pointing straight at Jabbar after a connection. It was all like a planned ballet where the participants know their exact places and schemes and everybody played their part correctly. The guys that were left in Manu's wake took it, why? Because they deserved it and it was all right. Why did the guys take that finger from Mutombo? Because it came from Mutombo's heart and not his hate.

It's almost completely gone now, but, not forgotten. Never forgotten.

As much as a I hate the Celtics I remember this part in a book of Bird's I read. He carpooled with Buckner and picked him and his wife up enroute to Game 7, '84 Finals. Bird recalled how Buckner, in near panic, at wit's end implored him from the backseat to end it, to deliver to him and his wife what they wanted so badly. Bird guaranteed him on the spot.

Now Buckner is the guy who in '76 ended up with the ball at the end of the revenge Olympics, from the '72 debacle. Somebody for ABC had gotten into the rafters, high above it and executed a tracking shot as the clock wound down and Buckner clutches the ball in his left arm and ratchets his right arm in a reverse military press.