Spurs Sign Manu Ginobili to 2 year/$14 Million Deal

[ElNono]

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[bthewigwam]

Is it possible that it's not equally distributed throughout both years?

[davidbowie]

"outscoop meeee????" -woj

[cd98]

Yikes. About a million too much.

[Richie]

Well that's all the free agency money gone.

Yawn.

[Josepatches_]

Good deal

[BatManu20]

Dammit wtf Manu, take $5 mill a year you greedy SOB!


So much for making a splash in FA.

[TheGreatYacht]

Wtf Manu take $5 mill a year you greedy SOB!I said the same thing earlier and people want to ban me.

[loveforthegame]

Oh well. :td

[Holden_Caulfield]

lol so many rumors and we end up with the same squad :lol. just spurs being the spurs

[Brazil]

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I preferred spursince#99 thread tbh

you fun killer you


oh and :lol min vet

[LarryDavid]

Dammit wtf Manu, take $5 mill a year you greedy SOB!

Who's to say the Spurs didn't offer him 7 off the bat?

[ElNono]

I preferred spursince#99 thread tbh

you fun killer you

oh and :lol min vet

Just figured we'll have this one to match Tiago's one...

[BatManu20]

$7 million isn't terrible obviously but you'd think at the tail end of his career, when he's clearly regressed as a player, that'd he'd sacrifice a couple mil for the better of the team, ala Timmy.

[Texas_Ranger]

I love Manu, but this sucks. Just spent all the money on Manu and Splitter.

[Baam]

I'm cool with it.

Splitter's is much much worse, regular season role player overpaid for 4 years...

[ElNono]

and lol @ the 10-12m per "front office rumors"

[Leetonidas]

:pctoss

[lcroock]

This should still leave $6-$7M to spend, assuming Tiago's starting salary is $7.5M and the cap is at $59M. Milsap or Kirilenko maybe still options?

[Shifty]

$7 million isn't terrible obviously but you'd think at the tail end of his career, when he's clearly regressed as a player, that'd he'd sacrifice a couple mil for the better of the team, ala Timmy.
You have to consider that except for the last contract Manu never got paid. Most stars get 2 or 3 good contracts. Manu got one.

[tesseractive]

I'm cool with it.

Splitter's is much much worse, regular season role player overpaid for 4 years...
The regular season extends right through the conference finals? Who knew?

[Texas_Ranger]

This should still leave $6-$7M to spend, assuming Tiago's starting salary is $7.5M and the cap is at $59M. Milsap or Kirilenko maybe still options?

nah, we'll be signing Neal.

[Baam]

The regular season extends right through the conference finals? Who knew?

Dude Zbo was triple teamed but if you want to use it as jerk off material it's cool.

One ok series in 3 years, what a beast...

6pts 3rbs

[Robz4000]

Welp, there you go.

[tesseractive]

$7 million isn't terrible obviously but you'd think at the tail end of his career, when he's clearly regressed as a player, that'd he'd sacrifice a couple mil for the better of the team, ala Timmy.
He's a Hall of Famer who just took a 50% pay cut. I think that counts as sacrificing some money for the good of the team.

[davidbowie]

DRIVE FOR FIVE BITCH

2014 CHAMPS LETS GOOOO!!!!!!

[Darius McCrary]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh, I wanted him back but was praying for a lower number.

[Shifty]

This should still leave $6-$7M to spend, assuming Tiago's starting salary is $7.5M and the cap is at $59M. Milsap or Kirilenko maybe still options?

Where are you getting that number? Unless they amnesty Bonner there is a little less than 1M to play with.

[spursince#99]

This should still leave $6-$7M to spend, assuming Tiago's starting salary is $7.5M and the cap is at $59M. Milsap or Kirilenko maybe still options?

Just give it up bro it's over.

[Keepin' it real]

Dammit wtf Manu, take $5 mill a year you greedy SOB!

Yeah, and why don't you go to your employer and demand to make 28% less than they are willing to pay you.

[ElNono]

It really isn't that unexpected, IMO... as I said before, Tim cut his max salary from 20 to 10, Manu just did the same going from 14 to 7...

whether it's fair or not, well, im sure everyone has their own opinion...

[Holden_Caulfield]

Dude Zbo was triple teamed but if you want to use it as jerk off material it's cool.

One ok series in 3 years, what a beast...

6pts 3rbs

lol gtfo

[tesseractive]

Where are you getting that number? Unless they amnesty Bonner there is a little less than 1M to play with.
At this point, we're better off using the MLE and maybe trading Bonner as an expiring contract.

[Spurs Brazil]

How much money left now?

[marinoman]

i love manu but hes not worth that much, please tell me the spurs are still lokiing to add another playmaker and not a summer league prospect

[Mel_13]

No difference between 5M per and 7M per. MLE is all that's left in either case and the Spurs will be well under the lux tax even if they use the full MLE.

[ElNono]

How much money left now?

According to Bruno, about 6M with Bonner amnestied and Neal gone.

[Shifty]

At this point, we're better off using the MLE and maybe trading Bonner as an expiring contract.
I believe the MLE is only available if you go over the cap number. They would have to resign Neal or someone else (if it's allowed) to get over it.

[Baam]

Tiago should have gotten seven as well max, especially if they were going to give him 4 years...

[Mel_13]

I believe the MLE is only available if you go over the cap number. They would have to resign Neal or someone else (if it's allowed) to get over it.

Not true. Spurs have the MLE at there disposal.

[ChumpDumper]

I believe the MLE is only available if you go over the cap number. They would have to resign Neal or someone else (if it's allowed) to get over it.If they are under the cap by an amount lower than the MLE, they can use the MLE or the cap space.

[toki9]

It's kind of funny reading all the posts advocating replacing Manu, and then reading all the posts complaining that Manu should have taken less for the good of the team...i don't think its the same people making both of those points, but still...

[50 cent]

Trash. Manu is past done.

[TheGreatYacht]

Trash. Manu is past done.This.

[Baam]

The main problem with tosb Manu is Pop still believing he's the third option, the problem with prime Splitter is that he's a worse playoff performer than Bonner...

[Bruno]

If Spurs are somewhat logical with themselves, they won't re-sign Neal. If you spend $7M per year on a player, the expectation is that he is a productive player.

[spursince#99]

Do we still have the LLE?

[Shifty]

Not true. Spurs have the MLE at there disposal.

If they are under the cap by an amount lower than the MLE, they can use the MLE or the cap space.
My bad. Thanks for clearing that up.

[KaiRMD1]

I thought he was gonna take a pay cut, what the fuck?

[ElNono]

I think this is the point where the FA market will get interesting for the Spurs... I don't think they're done dealing yet, but at this point I think they've done what they wanted to do as far as the talent they wanted to retain

[lcroock]

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

$41.8 + an additional $2.5M for Splitter + 7M for Manu.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

that's on the high side of about right, imo. i think there's still space. splitter was cheaper than expected. bonner can still be amnestied. and i expect neal will be signed to an offer the spurs won't match.

iggy/josh smith types are outta the picture. but ak, aminu, millsap, earl clark (crosses fingers) types are still affordable.

[Texas_Ranger]

I guess this team is getting younger. I don't see why would they otherwise give an Injury prone player that can play 20 minutes a game 7M.

[Shifty]

Most likely course for Spurs now is to stay over the cap via Manu/Tiago cap holds, use full mid-level, then sign new Manu/Tiago deals.
Zach Lowe (@ZachLowe_NBA)

[ElNono]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Most likely course for Spurs now is to stay over the cap via Manu/Tiago cap holds, use full mid-level, then sign new Manu/Tiago deals.</p>— Zach Lowe (@ZachLowe_NBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/statuses/352509361526026240">July 3, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[BatManu20]

Yeah, and why don't you go to your employer and demand to make 28% less than they are willing to pay you.

Ha comparing my salary to to the millions of dollars that pro athletes make is silly.

[spursince#99]

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Why would that even matter?

[romain.star]

Yeah, and why don't you go to your employer and demand to make 28% less than they are willing to pay you.

The comparison is not relevant because nobody makes as much money as these NBA stars. Manu doesn't need those extra 4 millions, he's already mega rich

Oh and for the record, Duncan and Parker both agreed to make less money then they could , for the good of the team

[ElNono]

Ha comparing my salary to to the millions of dollars that pro athletes is silly.

sure, but they have short careers...

[romain.star]

sure, but they have short careers...

Irony?

[ElNono]

Irony?

Reality... how often you hear "former nba player X broke"? It's a combo of things...

[Leetonidas]

I think this is the point where the FA market will get interesting for the Spurs... I don't think they're done dealing yet, but at this point I think they've done what they wanted to do as far as the talent they wanted to retain

What do you think are realistic options at this point? Does anyone think Holt will really swallow the pill and amnesty Bonner? Because it seems we'll either have 6 million that way or the midlevel if we go over the cap, and I'm not sure Kirilenko is coming for either

[spursince#99]

At this point, I'd even bring Neal back. Convince a scoring guard like Jarrett Jack to take the MLE to play with a contender, sign a backup for Kawhi with the LLE, and get Greg Oden with the vets min.

[Chinook]

Why would that even matter?

Gives them more money to spend.

[td4mvp2k]

Good deal:tu TY RC n Pop

[Mugen]

Not surprising when you consider Allen got 5mil and JJ Reddick 6.5 mil tbh.

[ElNono]

What do you think are realistic options at this point? Does anyone think Holt will really swallow the pill and amnesty Bonner? Because it seems we'll either have 6 million that way or the midlevel if we go over the cap, and I'm not sure Kirilenko is coming for either

I think a Neal replacement/upgrade in the MLE range... just guessing though, I have no idea what's going through their minds.

[lcroock]

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

$41.8 + an additional $2.5M for Splitter + 7M for Manu.

[ElNono]

Not surprising when you consider Allen got 5mil and JJ Reddick 6.5 mil tbh.

Tony Allen got $5m, Kevin Martin is looking at $7m IIRC... most of those guys don't need to run an offense either...

[Leetonidas]

I think a Neal replacement/upgrade in the MLE range... just guessing though, I have no idea what's going through their minds.

Anyone of worth actually available for that price? I hope they don't go after Jack

[Chinook]

In case anyone was wondering, this probably means Bonner is staying. He has more value as a trade asset than his cap space would have.

I'm not going to lie. I'm kinda bummed. I really wanted the team to trade Bonner's deal on draft night. I could see them not doing that and not using their pick if they wanted to go under the cap. But apparently, that's not the case.

But let's see what happens now. I haven't heard about Kirilenko getting interest from anyone that wasn't the Spurs, so his market is pretty low. The full MLE might be enough,

[Chinook]

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

$41.8 + an additional $2.5M for Splitter + 7M for Manu.

Hoopshype sucks. Shamsports is much better.

Anyway, that figure probably doesn't include Bonner.

[romain.star]

Reality... how often you hear "former nba player X broke"? It's a combo of things...

Manu is not going to purchase a private Jet like Pippen or gambles millions $$ in Casino like Barkley... The man is smart and wise, he should be ok. So as I said, he does not need those extra 4 millions (unless he spends it to help poor kids)

[Mel_13]

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

$41.8 + an additional $2.5M for Splitter + 7M for Manu.

Check your numbers.

It's 41.8 plus Splitter's salary plus Manu's salary plus Neal's cap hold. The numbers for Splitter and Neal were not included in the 41.8

[ElNono]

Anyone of worth actually available for that price? I hope they don't go after Jack

Not sure what's left out there... I mean, you could argue the Spurs were asking for a discount in the Monta/AK47 sweepstakes as it is, that hasn't changed, in that sense. If Bruno is right, the Spurs can still offer AK something backloaded for 3 years starting at 6, but going higher (6, 7, 8?).

[Keepin' it real]

Ha comparing my salary to to the millions of dollars that pro athletes make is silly.

Who was it back in the day that said, "We make a lot of money, but we spend a lot of money, too."? So just like you're on a $50k budget (or whatever you make) and spend/save/invest based on that income, Manu was spending/saving/investing on a $14M budget. That budget just got cut by half.

And I know many of us are envious of pro athlete salaries, but don't forget how many of them declare bankruptcy soon after leaving the game.

Here's an ESPN article (http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3469271) about it, and there's also a telling Outside the Lines episode about it if you can find it. Amazing how so many of them throw millions upon millions of dollars down the drain.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3469271

[spurraider21]

Hoopsworld has better salary figures.

oddly, Tiago and manu's combined salary are lower this year than 2012

[Mel_13]

Who was it back in the day that said, "We make a lot of money, but we spend a lot of money, too."? So just like you're on a $50k budget (or whatever you make) and spend/save/invest based on that income, Manu was spending/saving/investing on a $14M budget. That budget just got cut by half.

And I know many of us are envious of pro athlete salaries, but don't forget how many of them declare bankruptcy soon after leaving the game.

Here's an ESPN article (http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3469271) about it, and there's also a telling Outside the Lines episode about it if you can find it. Amazing how so many of them throw millions upon millions of dollars down the drain.

Patrick Ewing

[ElNono]

Manu is not going to purchase a private Jet like Pippen or gambles millions $$ in Casino like Barkley... The man is smart and wise, he should be ok. So as I said, he does not need those extra 4 millions (unless he spends it to help poor kids)

You never know what's next in life. What he's pretty sure about is that he ain't getting those extra $4m at 45...

[Nathan89]

Trash. Manu is past done.

[Baam]

TP may be AK's friend but he's not getting him to come here to come off the bench for chump change... Nobody could sell him on that.

[Virgil]

Great news.

[Bruno]

At the end, I think Spurs overpaid (not by much) both Splitter and Ginobili.

The second year of Manu's contract is also quite and issue. Ginobili will be almost 38 years old for the playoffs of this second season. Ask yourself if a 38 years old Ginobili will be worth $7M?

[rayray2k8]

Cool. I couldn't imagine Manu playing for another team.. Him in a Rockets or Mavs jersey? Yikes.
It's not like we were gonna be able to sign a max deal players.. :lol

[kobyz]

officially Spurs gave up on next season!!
they don't try to compete, they only want to be loyal and generous with their guys!

[bobcatfan4life]

Hopefully he can at least play 60 games this season

[Virgil]

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[024]

Yeah... that's too much. There's a 50% chance Ginobili will miss a chunk of the regular season. And when the playoffs roll around, there's a 50% chance Ginobili will suffer some kind of injury. Not a good price for an injury prone 36 year old who averaged 11 points last year and other career lows. I don't know what to say...

[TheGreatYacht]

officially Spurs gave up on next season!!
they don't try to compete, they only want to be loyal and generous with their guys!I agree. Spurs are fuc*ed.

[Keepin' it real]

Patrick Ewing

I remember the backlash he took for that comment, but I realize pro athletes aren't living in two bedroom/one bath apartments and driving around in Ford Focuses like so many of their fans are.

They buy the most expensive houses, cars and wives they can afford. So would I if I were in their shoes.

[Spurs Brazil]

According to Bruno, about 6M with Bonner amnestied and Neal gone.

thanks

[ElNono]

The second year of Manu's contract is also quite and issue. Ginobili will be almost 38 years old for the playoffs of this second season. Ask yourself if a 38 years old Ginobili will be worth $7M?

Let's get there first. Let's see what he looks like next season. I mean I wouldn't put it past him to retire if he feels he can't compete at a high level anymore.

[romain.star]

You never know what's next in life. What he's pretty sure about is that he ain't getting those extra $4m at 45...

http://shavarross.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Magic-Johnson-Businessman.jpg

[ElNono]

http://shavarross.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Magic-Johnson-Businessman.jpg

Well, that's a great example of somebody that's gonna need a good chunk of money for the rest of his life... that's exactly what I mean by not knowing what the future holds...

[tesseractive]

At this point, I'd even bring Neal back. Convince a scoring guard like Jarrett Jack to take the MLE to play with a contender, sign a backup for Kawhi with the LLE, and get Greg Oden with the vets min.
If we can, it would probably be better to find a scorer who can also be a backup SF and kill 2 birds with one stone.

[Nathan89]

Tony Allen got $5m, Kevin Martin is looking at $7m IIRC... most of those guys don't need to run an offense either...

Manu can't run a offense. Can't shoot either. He couldn't even be successful in the starting lineup where he wasn't the focus.

[spursince#99]

If we can, it would probably be better to find a scorer who can also be a backup SF and kill 2 birds with one stone.


I say scoring guard because Manu will need help, and we desperately need an extra ball handler.

[vy65]

Reality... how often you hear "former nba player X broke"? It's a combo of things...

Bullshit. The ability to invest hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars more than makes up for the fact that a career might only last 6-10 years.

Financial stupidity is a totally different issue

[Mugen]

At the end, I think Spurs overpaid (not by much) both Splitter and Ginobili.

The second year of Manu's contract is also quite and issue. Ginobili will be almost 38 years old for the playoffs of this second season. Ask yourself if a 38 years old Ginobili will be worth $7M?

You don't think Tiago and Manu get offered identical contracts in the open market?

I think Tiago easily gets that from POR. Not so sure about Manu but wouldn't be surprised if he did considering the money other 2 guards are getting. People like to throw out Ray Allen's deal as a comparison but Ray is a one trick pony that isn't asked to carry and offense for any period of time tbh.

[slick'81]

Lol I called this weeks ago

[Baam]

You don't think Tiago and Manu get offered identical contracts in the open market?

I think Tiago easily gets that from POR. Not so sure about Manu but wouldn't be surprised if he did considering the money other 2 guards are getting. People like to throw out Ray Allen's deal as a comparison but Ray is a one trick pony that isn't asked to carry and offense for any period of time tbh.

Portland is the front runner to land Robin Lopez at 5M/a year, they are much smarter than us...

[ElNono]

Manu can't run a offense. Can't shoot either. He couldn't even be successful in the starting lineup where he wasn't the focus.

come on Nathan, I know you're frustrated, but you aren't that dumb.

[Chomag]

Fucking hell, thats way to much .

[marinoman]

well according to espn this is what some of the remaining FAs are worth (this is the avg of the 5 analysts they asked)
espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-130703/what-top-nba-free-agents-worth

Andre Iguodala ($50.6 million, 4 years= $12.7 million/yr)
Josh Smith ($52.6 million, 4 years= $13.2 million/yr)
Andrew Bynum ($72.3 million, 2.6 years= $14.5 million/yr)
Monta Ellis ($17.5 million, 3.2 years= $5.5 million/yr)
Nikola Pekovic ($50.4 million, 4.2 years= $12 million/yr)

We could still get Monta, dont know if thats good thing though

[timvp]

Like I said in the other thread, $7M was Manu's market value ... so I'm not upset or surprised by the number.

In a perfect world, one would hope Manu would have taken a smaller number but if this is where he drew the line, what else could the Spurs do? He's still a good basketball value at $7M -- and he's worth more than that business-wise when you factor in his fan favorite status.

IMO, TD's market value was $12-14M and he took $10 per season. TP is also on a contract below his market value. Manu's market value was $7M and he took $7M. It's a little disappointing but considering he could have held the team ransom for $8M+ if he wanted to push it, this is far from the worst case scenario.

[ElNono]

I think Tiago easily gets that from POR. Not so sure about Manu but wouldn't be surprised if he did considering the money other 2 guards are getting. People like to throw out Ray Allen's deal as a comparison but Ray is a one trick pony that isn't asked to carry and offense for any period of time tbh.

And gonna be 38 years old next season...

[Chomag]

Guess this is pretty much it then. No ,more money.

[Baam]

Like I said in the other thread, $7M was Manu's market value ... so I'm not upset or surprised by the number.

In a perfect world, one would hope Manu would have taken a smaller number but if this is where he drew the line, what else could the Spurs do? He's still a good basketball value at $7M -- and he's worth more than that business-wise when you factor in his fan favorite status.

IMO, TD's market value was $12-14M and he took $10 per season. TP is also on a contract below his market value. Manu's market value was $7M and he took $7M. It's a little disappointed but considering he could have held the team ransom for $8M+ if he wanted to push it, this is far from the worst case scenario.

What about Splitter's deal?

[DesignatedT]

Tims value was more like 15-16M and he took 10. Dude is a boss.

[hommeaetage]

Well, on the bright side I won't bother signing up for league pass

[timvp]

What about Splitter's deal?

What about it? He got a contract right at his market value without any hometown discount ... kinda like Manu.

[slick'81]

We just have to hope this team as is has another 82 game season with another loong playoff push in them

[Bruno]

You don't think Tiago and Manu get offered identical contracts in the open market?


For Tiago, maybe.
For Manu, Hell no.

Manu market value outside Spurs was likely very low. My guess is that the best multiyears offers he would have received by other teams would have been for the room exception or the mini MLE.

[ElNono]

Like I said in the other thread, $7M was Manu's market value ... so I'm not upset or surprised by the number.

In a perfect world, one would hope Manu would have taken a smaller number but if this is where he drew the line, what else could the Spurs do? He's still a good basketball value at $7M -- and he's worth more than that business-wise when you factor in his fan favorite status.

IMO, TD's market value was $12-14M and he took $10 per season. TP is also on a contract below his market value. Manu's market value was $7M and he took $7M. It's a little disappointed but considering he could have held the team ransom for $8M+ if he wanted to push it, this is far from the worst case scenario.

I was hoping for something near $5m too, especially with the little wiggle room the Spurs have... but I agree this number shouldn't come as a shock either.

[TheGreatYacht]

Like I said in the other thread, $7M was Manu's market value ... so I'm not upset or surprised by the number.

In a perfect world, one would hope Manu would have taken a smaller number but if this is where he drew the line, what else could the Spurs do? He's still a good basketball value at $7M -- and he's worth more than that business-wise when you factor in his fan favorite status.

IMO, TD's market value was $12-14M and he took $10 per season. TP is also on a contract below his market value. Manu's market value was $7M and he took $7M. It's a little disappointed but considering he could have held the team ransom for $8M+ if he wanted to push it, this is far from the worst case scenario.Even timvp admits that Manu is a little more selfish than TP and TD.

[Leetonidas]

At the end, I think Spurs overpaid (not by much) both Splitter and Ginobili.

The second year of Manu's contract is also quite and issue. Ginobili will be almost 38 years old for the playoffs of this second season. Ask yourself if a 38 years old Ginobili will be worth $7M?

At least he will be an expiring contract. Is it still possible to do one of those Kurt Thomas/Brent Barry trades where he comes back under the new CBA?

[SpursSerb]

So much for him being loyal and taking a pay cut.Everything above 5 mil for him is too much.

[slick'81]

Anyone thinking manu would get more then mle as a fa r crazy

[timvp]

For Tiago, maybe.
For Manu, Hell no.

Manu market value outside Spurs was likely very low. My guess is that the best multiyears offers he would have received by other teams would have been for the room exception or the mini MLE.

Disagree. If Redick and Korver are getting more guaranteed dollars, Ginobili would have been able to get this contract on the open market if anyone actually thought he would leave the Spurs.

[hommeaetage]

At least he will be an expiring contract. Is it still possible to do one of those Kurt Thomas/Brent Barry trades where he comes back under the new CBA?

I don't think players can come back under the new CBA

[Bruno]

Disagree. If Redick and Korver are getting more guaranteed dollars, Ginobili would have been able to get this contract on the open market if anyone actually thought he would leave the Spurs.

OK, so what teams would have offered him that?

[manufan10]

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[ElNono]

Manu gets that contract outside of SA... no doubt. Plus there's a bunch of coaches that love him. If you don't think Atlanta doesn't tender a similar offer you're nuts.

[tuncaboylu]

Portland is the front runner to land Robin Lopez at 5M/a year, they are much smarter than us...

Robin Lopez is not free-agent. What are you talking about?

[TheGreatYacht]

OK, so what teams would have offered him that?LOL nobody.

[Chomag]

5-6 mil would be my idea but ok. For loyalty has Manu earned this contract? fuck ya! But as a business standpoint hell no.

[spursince#99]

In a perfect world we could sign & trade for AK47, convince Jarrett Jack to take the MLE to play for a contender, and sign Greg Oden for the vets min. In a good world we could still try to convince Jarrett Jack to take the MLE to play with a contender, sign an average backup for Kawhi with the LLE, and sign Greg Oden for the vets min. In an ideal world, we'll just bring Neal back and stand pat. We're pretty much going to go with the ideal world.

[Bruno]

At least he will be an expiring contract. Is it still possible to do one of those Kurt Thomas/Brent Barry trades where he comes back under the new CBA?

No, it isn't possible and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Manu's contract has a no trade clause.

[timvp]

I was hoping for something near $5m too, especially with the little wiggle room the Spurs have... but I agree this number shouldn't come as a shock either.

Tbh, didn't you admit to trolling when you said Manu should get 3 years and $21 million with a third year team option? :stirpot:

Manu just signed a contract for your trolling amount :lol

[yavozerb]

Disagree. If Redick and Korver are getting more guaranteed dollars, Ginobili would have been able to get this contract on the open market if anyone actually thought he would leave the Spurs.

Dont forget Kevin MArtin getting 7+ mil on a 4 yr contract. No doubt Manu would have gotten 7+ on the open market.

[AFBlue]

Tony Allen got $5m, Kevin Martin is looking at $7m IIRC... most of those guys don't need to run an offense either...

If that's what the Spurs are counting on Manu for in the next two years then they're fucked.

[Baam]

Phoenix is trying to unload Gortat, New Orleans needs to get rid of Lopez, TRob was traded in a hurrry, Asik may get traded. All of them make less than Splitter and there's a good offer to demand ratio right now with all the teams tanking, I strongly disagree that this was Tiago's market value.

[ElNono]

But as a business standpoint hell no.

Actually, the irony is that this contract is probably worth more on the business side for the Spurs than on the sport side... hope it pays off on both...

[TheGreatYacht]

In a perfect world we could sign & trade for AK47, convince Jarrett Jack to take the MLE to play for a contender, and sign Greg Oden for the vets min. In a good world we could still try to convince Jarrett Jack to take the MLE to play with a contender, sign an average backup for Kawhi with the LLE, and sign Greg Oden for the vets min. In an ideal world, we'll just bring Neal back and stand pat. We're pretty much going to go with the ideal world.Who will Greg Oden choose from the Heat and Spurs when they both can offer him the same amount of $$$? The obvious choice is the cHeat.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

OK, so what teams would have offered him that?

Rockets, Lakers and Mavericks

[Mel_13]

You don't think Tiago and Manu get offered identical contracts in the open market?

I think Tiago easily gets that from POR. Not so sure about Manu but wouldn't be surprised if he did considering the money other 2 guards are getting. People like to throw out Ray Allen's deal as a comparison but Ray is a one trick pony that isn't asked to carry and offense for any period of time tbh.

You're absolutely right about Tiago. Spurs signed him for market value.

As to Manu, the danger was never really that some team would outbid the Spurs for Manu. The danger was that the Spurs would lowball him and piss him off to the extent that he would sign with a rival for well below market value. In the end, both sides acted predictably.

[TheGreatYacht]

If that's what the Spurs are counting on Manu for in the next two years then they're fucked.LOL. Well said.

[ElNono]

Tbh, didn't you admit to trolling when you said Manu should get 3 years and $21 million with a third year team option? :stirpot:

Manu just signed a contract for your trolling amount :lol

:lmao yes I was...

and IIRC, I was telling Bruno a LONG ass way ago that Manu could be had for $3m-$5m, and he told me that was too low... I think the playoffs completely changed the perception of things...

[Leetonidas]

Most people on RealGM don't think Ginobili is getting 7M on the open market

[Mugen]

Manu gets 6mil/year on the open market tbh. His value is lower outside of SA since he's probably the most popular player on the Spurs.

Would I have liked to see him take 6mil/year? Of course.

But I'm not going to hold an extra million per year against him considering he's sacrificed the most bball wise out of the Big 3 and will probably end up earning a lot less than them over the course of their careers.

[tuncaboylu]

In a perfect world we could sign & trade for AK47, convince Jarrett Jack to take the MLE to play for a contender, and sign Greg Oden for the vets min. In a good world we could still try to convince Jarrett Jack to take the MLE to play with a contender, sign an average backup for Kawhi with the LLE, and sign Greg Oden for the vets min. In an ideal world, we'll just bring Neal back and stand pat. We're pretty much going to go with the ideal world.
Nice one:)

[AFBlue]

At the end, I think Spurs overpaid (not by much) both Splitter and Ginobili.

The second year of Manu's contract is also quite and issue. Ginobili will be almost 38 years old for the playoffs of this second season. Ask yourself if a 38 years old Ginobili will be worth $7M?

This. Overpaid for two guys that didn't step up against the perennial favorite...one of which they essentially bid against themselves to overpay for. AT least with Splitter there was the possibility that he'd get a large offer, but even then the Spurs had options.

Gross.

[timvp]

OK, so what teams would have offered him that?

Tbh, that's the exact same question you asked when you said TD wasn't worth more than $8 million. Like I said then, it's not a valid question because the cap space that has already been used wouldn't have been used if someone of his talent level was actually available.

If Ginobili were truly available, he'd be more coveted than the Kevin Martins, JJ Redicks, Kyle Korvers and others who have gotten paid. And if he were truly available, contenders would be coming out of the woodwork for sign-and-trade deals. You don't think contenders like the Thunder, Clippers, Nets, Knicks, etc. wouldn't go after Ginobili if all they needed to guarantee was $14M?

[mudyez]

Most people on RealGM don't think Ginobili is getting 7M on the open market

He wouldn't have gotten it, but if Spurs plan on using the MLE there is not much reason to lowball Manu.

[temujin]

You're absolutely right about Tiago. Spurs signed him for market value.

As to Manu, the danger was never really that some team would outbid the Spurs for Manu. The danger was that the Spurs would lowball him and piss him off to the extent that he would sign with a rival for well below market value. In the end, both sides acted predictably.

Absolutely correct.

It's still way too much, though.

[Libri]

Like I said in the other thread, $7M was Manu's market value ... so I'm not upset or surprised by the number.

In a perfect world, one would hope Manu would have taken a smaller number but if this is where he drew the line, what else could the Spurs do? He's still a good basketball value at $7M -- and he's worth more than that business-wise when you factor in his fan favorite status.

IMO, TD's market value was $12-14M and he took $10 per season. TP is also on a contract below his market value. Manu's market value was $7M and he took $7M. It's a little disappointing but considering he could have held the team ransom for $8M+ if he wanted to push it, this is far from the worst case scenario.

I'm guessing the Spurs didn't make much of a case to pay him less, considering that Manu had agreed to become a bench player when he wasn't. Now he's getting rewarded for it.

[romain.star]

Well, that's a great example of somebody that's gonna need a good chunk of money for the rest of his life... that's exactly what I mean by not knowing what the future holds...

I get your point but still, with or without those 4 millions, Manu is already mega rich and he won't spend his money ala Iverson. Well, I just thought that being such a winner, he would do all it takes to help his Spurs get one last ring (esp. after these 13' PO)

[slick'81]

No one will knw what manu would have gotten as a fa doesn't mean anyone is right, bottom line we all knew spurs were keeping him at a fair deal .and Yes even this watered down version of gino is worth 7 mil to our spurs

[mercos]

I'm fine with this, its a legacy contract. Manu has brought so much to San Antonio the past ten years. He could have easily left via free agency and commanded much more money earlier in his career. I also have no problem with the Spurs bringing back the same team that had Miami on the brink. They could easily get back to and win the Finals next year.

[timvp]

Most people on RealGM don't think Ginobili is getting 7M on the open market

Most NBA fans only watched Manu in the Finals.

'Tis the same reason why so many thought the Harden trade was good for OKC when it went down :lmao

If you base your perception of how much a player is worth off of seven games, it's unlikely you will be in touch with reality, tbh.

[ElNono]

I get your point but still, with or without those 4 millions, Manu is already mega rich and he won't spend his money ala Iverson. Well, I just thought that being such a winner, he would do all it takes to help his Spurs get one last ring (esp. after these 13' PO)

I would've loved it if he would've taken the room exception too... all I'm saying is that looking at what players are getting paid, this number shouldn't be a shocker...

[AFBlue]

You don't think Tiago and Manu get offered identical contracts in the open market?

I think Tiago easily gets that from POR. Not so sure about Manu but wouldn't be surprised if he did considering the money other 2 guards are getting. People like to throw out Ray Allen's deal as a comparison but Ray is a one trick pony that isn't asked to carry and offense for any period of time tbh.

Ray Allen used that one trick to bury the Spurs in Game 6 after Ginobili couldn't ice it. And now Ginobili is making TWICE what Ray Allen is making, based on clearly something other than his on-court contribution.

Disgusting.

[manufan10]

I think I'll give the Spurs' FO the benefit of the doubt over any armchair GM, imo tbh.

[Creation88]

Manu sucked ALL YEAR not just in the Finals.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Most NBA fans only watched Manu in the Finals.

'Tis the same reason why so many thought the Harden trade was good for OKC when it went down :lmao

If you base your perception of how much a player is worth off of seven games, it's unlikely you will be in touch with reality, tbh.

Well said, tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

Most people on RealGM don't think Ginobili is getting 7M on the open market

[Nathan89]

Most NBA fans only watched Manu in the Finals.

'Tis the same reason why so many thought the Harden trade was good for OKC when it went down :lmao

If you base your perception of how much a player is worth off of seven games, it's unlikely you will be in touch with reality, tbh.

To be fair they would've came to the same conclusion if they watched every Spurs playoff game. Not so with Harden.

[RD2191]

Manu sucked ALL YEAR not just in the Finals.

[DesignatedT]

The Spurs desperately need another creater/ball handler to take the pressure off Tony.

:lmao :lmao if they role into next year with the same guard rotation. Fuckin retarded.

Spurs putting all their eggs in 1 basket again with Ginobili. Just don't understand.

[DPG21920]

Well, unfortunately Manus deal was what I thought. He did not give the Spurs any discount at all. He got his full market value. I'm happy he's back but combined with how bad he let his team down in the finals I am still incredibly disappointed in Manu Ginobili.

Free agency, from an impact player perspective is likely dead. Not only because of the players available at MLE level, but because MLE has never been good enough for the Spurs. They needed that 7M number to lure someone.

Glad he's back, but damn Manu right now for this past couple months.

[ElNono]

Doc Rivers is another guy that always been a huge fan... if Manu would've been truly available, you bet they move shit around to get him at that money... they just did the same thing to nail JJ Reddick, another fetish of him...

[Creation88]

Tbh, that's the exact same question you asked when you said TD wasn't worth more than $8 million. Like I said then, it's not a valid question because the cap space that has already been used wouldn't have been used if someone of his talent level was actually available.

If Ginobili were truly available, he'd be more coveted than the Kevin Martins, JJ Redicks, Kyle Korvers and others who have gotten paid. And if he were truly available, contenders would be coming out of the woodwork for sign-and-trade deals. You don't think contenders like the Thunder, Clippers, Nets, Knicks, etc. wouldn't go after Ginobili if all they needed to guarantee was $14M?

he was TRULY available. he was an unrestricted free agent. Spurs were bidding against themselves.

[slick'81]

Most NBA fans only watched Manu in the Finals.

'Tis the same reason why so many thought the Harden trade was good for OKC when it went down :lmao

If you base your perception of how much a player is worth off of seven games, it's unlikely you will be in touch with reality, tbh.

Anyone with basketball sense knew that trade was garbage

[Mugen]

You're absolutely right about Tiago. Spurs signed him for market value.

As to Manu, the danger was never really that some team would outbid the Spurs for Manu. The danger was that the Spurs would lowball him and piss him off to the extent that he would sign with a rival for well below market value. In the end, both sides acted predictably.

If it got to that point, I think the bidding would start at 5mil/year. I don't think Manu would settle for the Mini MLE just because he got pissed off at the Spurs. If he got offended by a lowball offer for them, I think he'd be more likely to just retire than play for the mini MLE for Houston or Dallas tbh.

[timvp]

I'm guessing the Spurs didn't make much of a case to pay him less, considering that Manu had agreed to become a bench player when he wasn't. Now he's getting rewarded for it.

Meh. If Pop once offered David Robinson a one-year, $1 million contract, I'm sure the Spurs started from the bottom.

Now they're here ... at $7M.

[DPG21920]

:lmao yes I was...

and IIRC, I was telling Bruno a LONG ass way ago that Manu could be had for $3m-$5m, and he told me that was too low... I think the playoffs completely changed the perception of things...

As it should. Playoffs cost Tiago money too. Manu with his age, injuries and horrific finals should not have had to receive market value even if its "fair"

[ElNono]

The Spurs desperately need another creater/ball handler to take the pressure off Tony.

:lmao :lmao if they role into next year with the same guard rotation. Fuckin retarded.

Spurs putting all their eggs in 1 basket again with Ginobili. Just don't understand.

I don't think the Spurs are done dealing, and I would agree that's a need they're going to need to fill, especially if Neal is not coming back.

[Juan]

He's no Tim Duncan.


Manu screwing over the Spurs by going for the money. Pretty surprising. Thought he was more about winning.

[spursince#99]

The Spurs desperately need another creater/ball handler to take the pressure off Tony.

:lmao :lmao if they role into next year with the same guard rotation. Fuckin retarded.

Spurs putting all their eggs in 1 basket again with Ginobili. Just don't understand.


/thread. Only if we don't sign another capable ball handler though.

[Man In Black]

The Spurs desperately need another creater/ball handler to take the pressure off Tony.

:lmao :lmao if they role into next year with the same guard rotation. Fuckin retarded.

Spurs putting all their eggs in 1 basket again with Ginobili. Just don't understand.

So Shaun Livingston is a UFA and so far, only the Nets have talked to him. Cleveland wants him back but I think this guys should be the backup PG. When CoJo is in, Pop shifts playmaking to Manu. With a player like Livingston, Pop doesn't need to do that at all or, just have Manu handle it less.

[ElNono]

As it should. Playoffs cost Tiago money too. Manu with his age, injuries and horrific finals should not have had to receive market value even if its "fair"

I understand the sentiment. I don't think the Spurs necessarily view it like that, and these deals seem to reflect that.

[Leetonidas]

Most NBA fans only watched Manu in the Finals.

'Tis the same reason why so many thought the Harden trade was good for OKC when it went down :lmao

If you base your perception of how much a player is worth off of seven games, it's unlikely you will be in touch with reality, tbh.
This is true, but I really, really don't think Manu is going to get rewarded with 7 million by anyone after his post season play. I always said I wanted Manu back, he has always been my 2nd favorite Spurs player, but I really thought he would've taken a below market value contract the way Tim/Tony did to add pieces.

[spursince#99]

So Shaun Livingston is a UFA and so far, only the Nets have talked to him. Cleveland wants him back but I think this guys should be the backup PG. When CoJo is in, Pop shifts playmaking to Manu. With a player like Livingston, Pop doesn't need to do that at all or, just have Manu handle it less.


Dude stop.

[Bruno]

Tbh, that's the exact same question you asked when you said TD wasn't worth more than $8 million. Like I said then, it's not a valid question because the cap space that has already been used wouldn't have been used if someone of his talent level was actually available.

If Ginobili were truly available, he'd be more coveted than the Kevin Martins, JJ Redicks, Kyle Korvers and others who have gotten paid. And if he were truly available, contenders would be coming out of the woodwork for sign-and-trade deals. You don't think contenders like the Thunder, Clippers, Nets, Knicks, etc. wouldn't go after Ginobili if all they needed to guarantee was $14M?

A lot of the contenders are in difficult cap situation where they only have the mini MLE or are very close the tax and don't want to go over.

And seriously, I'm not sure why you are arguing while you said an hour ago that $8M per year would means that Manu was "greedy".

$7M per year is a lot for Manu given all his injuries, his age and his inconsistency. You find that it's just under the overpaid threshold, I find it's just over.

[Leetonidas]

Well, unfortunately Manus deal was what I thought. He did not give the Spurs any discount at all. He got his full market value. I'm happy he's back but combined with how bad he let his team down in the finals I am still incredibly disappointed in Manu Ginobili.

Free agency, from an impact player perspective is likely dead. Not only because of the players available at MLE level, but because MLE has never been good enough for the Spurs. They needed that 7M number to lure someone.

Glad he's back, but damn Manu right now for this past couple months.

spot on

[spursince#99]

This is true, but I really, really don't think Manu is going to get rewarded with 7 million by anyone after his post season play. I always said I wanted Manu back, he has always been my 2nd favorite Spurs player, but I really thought he would've taken a below market value contract the way Tim/Tony did to add pieces.

[spursince#99]

I understand the sentiment. I don't think the Spurs necessarily view it like that, and these deals seem to reflect that.

[DesignatedT]

The Spurs need to deal De Colo and Mills and bring in another guard who can create and score. These guys aren't good enough.

[Mel_13]

If it got to that point, I think the bidding would start at 5mil/year. I don't think Manu would settle for the Mini MLE just because he got pissed off at the Spurs. If he got offended by a lowball offer for them, I think he'd be more likely to just retire than play for the mini MLE for Houston or Dallas tbh.

I was contemplating a scenario with the Lakers or OKC.

At any rate, both sides were disposed to avoid any such scenario and settled the terms of Manu's final contract quickly and amicably.

[spurraider21]

Manu could have pulled a James Harden and demanded more money/bolted for a lead role early in his career. He was loyal to the spurs and we love him for it. He just slashed his salary in half. I can't complain. This team as constructed was good enough to win an NBA championship.

[TheGreatYacht]

He's no Tim Duncan.


Manu screwing over the Spurs by going for the money. Pretty surprising. Thought he was more about winning.Co-signed.

[ElNono]

At any rate, both sides were disposed to avoid any such scenario and settled the terms of Manu's final contract quickly and amicably.

This is the other thing... it takes two to make a deal... if they Spurs felt they were getting jobbed, they wouldn't have agreed to that deal...

[TheGreatYacht]

The Spurs desperately need another creater/ball handler to take the pressure off Tony.

:lmao :lmao if they role into next year with the same guard rotation. Fuckin retarded.

Spurs putting all their eggs in 1 basket again with Ginobili. Just don't understand.Yup.

[SenorSpur]

Good Lord. I didn't think that cost of doing business would be so steep for declining core player, but clearly it is.

[BatManu20]

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[MR-Clutch]

The Spurs desperately need another creater/ball handler to take the pressure off Tony.

:lmao :lmao if they role into next year with the same guard rotation. Fuckin retarded.

Spurs putting all their eggs in 1 basket again with Ginobili. Just don't understand.
Kawhi Leonard?

[bigfan]

Maybe a couple of million too high but so what? He has earned it over his career here and now he retires a Spur. He isnt what he was but he's still damn good at times and Im glad he will be here for the duration.

[romain.star]

I would've loved it if he would've taken the room exception too... all I'm saying is that looking at what players are getting paid, this number shouldn't be a shocker...

As said by TIMVP, Manu gets paid according to his market value even though i have my doubts for a 37 years old Manu getting 7 millions... It's just that given TD and TP contracts, i'm a bit surprised with Manu behaviour on that one. That being said, like every true Spurs fans, I'm very happy to have him for 2 more years

[SpursSerb]

Manu could have pulled a James Harden and demanded more money/bolted for a lead role early in his career. He was loyal to the spurs and we love him for it. He just slashed his salary in half. I can't complain. This team as constructed was good enough to win an NBA championship.

He just slashed his salary in half?Seriously?He took all the money he could and showed no loyalty to this organization.I'm so glad i'm back,like he took a pay cut or something.

[RD2191]

You could cut the tension with a knife, I wonder if anyone would come to blows if we were all sitting in a bar?

[TheGreatYacht]

So Shaun Livingston is a UFA and so far, only the Nets have talked to him. Cleveland wants him back but I think this guys should be the backup PG. When CoJo is in, Pop shifts playmaking to Manu. With a player like Livingston, Pop doesn't need to do that at all or, just have Manu handle it less.:lmao Shaun Livingston is our missing piece.

[benefactor]

Glorious meltdown is glorious.

[temujin]

He just slashed his salary in half?Seriously?He took all the money he could and showed no loyalty to this organization.I'm so glad i'm back,like he took a pay cut or something.

So when did he show disloyalty to the Spurs, again?

Manu will be expensive not what he has done, or not done,
but for what he will be capable of doing.
He's a harmistring or two max to the end of his career.

[hommeaetage]

Att his point all I can say is hoping Kawhi can go HAM next season because they will need it

[timvp]

This is the other thing... it takes two to make a deal... if they Spurs felt they were getting jobbed, they wouldn't have agreed to that deal...

Disagree because the couldn't let him go. It wouldn't have only been a PR nightmare, it would have been bad for basketball too because they couldn't have replaced him while also upgrading with the money they saved.

This is how the negotiations went down:

Pop: "Alright, Manu, here's a two-year contract. We need you to fill in the dollar amount per season. Keep in mind your fair market value is $7 million. But please, please, please consider signing for less so that we can squeeze in another strong piece and make another push for a championship. Even if you take $5 million, that will make a huge different."

Manu: "Okay."

Pop: "So how much do you want?"

Manu: "$7 million"

Pop: ":|"

Manu: ":smokin"

[ElNono]

As said by TIMVP, Manu gets paid according to his market value even though i have my doubts for a 37 years old Manu getting 7 millions... It's just that given TD and TP contracts, i'm a bit surprised with Manu behaviour on that one. That being said, like every true Spurs fans, I'm very happy to have him for 2 more years

When Tim signed his last deal, way before he looked renewed as he did, some people thought $10m was too much for him... he obviously turned the clock back and everything is forgotten now.

[Bruno]

And Manu's whole body of work these past 2 season has been nowhere near great.

In the regular season, he missed a combined 54 games and only played 23mpg in the other 94.
In the playoffs, his impact was limited and he failed to carry a bigger load than in the regular season.

Add to that, that the logical expectation is Ginobili now getting worse with every single year and paying him more than $12M/ 2 years can hardly be justified.

OVERPAID.

[spurraider21]

We were a free throw away from a title. :lol at thinking bringing back the crew is a mistake. We can still land a piece via sign and trade or just with mle

[slick'81]

Ginobili is one fall away from breaking his hip but were going down with that tosb

[AFBlue]

You could cut the tension with a knife, I wonder if anyone would come to blows if we were all sitting in a bar?

Nah, just healthy debate.

[romain.star]

Manu sucked ALL YEAR not just in the Finals.

Manu is not 25 anymore, so don't expect him to dominate the way he used to. But he's still damn valuable to this team

[AFBlue]

Glorious meltdown is glorious.


Nah, just healthy debate.

[ElNono]

Disagree because the couldn't let him go. It wouldn't have only been a PR nightmare, it would have been bad for basketball too because they couldn't have replaced him while also upgrading with the money they saved.

This is how the negotiations went down:

Pop: "Alright, Manu, here's a two-year contract. We need you to fill in the dollar amount per season. Keep in mind your fair market value is $7 million. But please, please, please consider signing for less so that we can squeeze in another strong piece and make another push for a championship. Even if you take $5 million, that will make a huge different."

Manu: "Okay."

Pop: "So how much do you want?"

Manu: "$7 million"

Pop: ":|"

Manu: ":smokin"

It was actually more like this:

Pop: "Alright, Manu, here's a two-year contract. We need you to fill in the dollar amount per season. Keep in mind your fair market value is $7 million. But please, please, please consider signing for less so that we can squeeze in another strong piece and make another push for a championship. Even if you take $5 million, that will make a huge different."

Manu: "Si Señor."

Pop: "So how much do you want?"

Manu: "cinco millones"

Pop: "english Manu"

Rudoy: "7 millions"

Pop: "Fuck"

Manu: "gracias"

[manufan10]

I don't see why Manu can't retool his game.

[Big Empty]

Im good with that. We have our team back and im ready to make another run next year! Hopefully we can pick up one more peice that can help us be 20 seconds better.

[DesignatedT]

I don't have a problem with the contract. It's whatever.

The Spurs have a serious problem at the G position though if they expect Manu to lead the second unit all the way through the season and playoffs. It wont work and I can promise you that. He's just not that good anymore.

[TheGreatYacht]

Disagree because the couldn't let him go. It wouldn't have only been a PR nightmare, it would have been bad for basketball too because they couldn't have replaced him while also upgrading with the money they saved.

This is how the negotiations went down:

Pop: "Alright, Manu, here's a two-year contract. We need you to fill in the dollar amount per season. Keep in mind your fair market value is $7 million. But please, please, please consider signing for less so that we can squeeze in another strong piece and make another push for a championship. Even if you take $5 million, that will make a huge different."

Manu: "Okay."

Pop: "So how much do you want?"

Manu: "$7 million"

Pop: ":|"

Manu: ":smokin"I was right all along. Manu is not the same competitor and winner as Tim Duncan and Tony Parker are. Selfish greedy bastard SOB.

[Mugen]

Glorious meltdown is glorious.

:lol and even BNSFs are getting in on it tbh.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

It was actually more like this:

Pop: "Alright, Manu, here's a two-year contract. We need you to fill in the dollar amount per season. Keep in mind your fair market value is $7 million. But please, please, please consider signing for less so that we can squeeze in another strong piece and make another push for a championship. Even if you take $5 million, that will make a huge different."

Manu: "Si Señor."

Pop: "So how much do you want?"

Manu: "cinco millones"

Pop: "english Manu"

Rudoy: "7 millions"

Pop: "Fuck"

Manu: "gracias"

He speaks Portugese not Spanish LOL

[ElNono]

He speaks Portugese not Spanish LOL

what? lol

[TheGreatYacht]

When Tim signed his last deal, way before he looked renewed as he did, some people thought $10m was too much for him... he obviously turned the clock back and everything is forgotten now.Yeah but Tim Duncan was a few years younger. Stop getting your hopes up. Manu is running on reserve fuel.

[RD2191]

Ginobili is one fall away from breaking his hip but were going down with that tosb
:lmao

[ducks]

hopefully the deal is more like 10 million

[timvp]

I was right all along. Manu is not the same competitor and winner as Tim Duncan and Tony Parker are. Selfish greedy bastard SOB.

$8M was my greedy line. $7M is at the top end of my fair line.

I think it's wrong to say Ginobili was greedy but we also can't pretend that he did the Spurs any favors.

[ElNono]

Yeah but Tim Duncan was a few years younger. Stop getting your hopes up. Manu is running on reserve fuel.

I don't get a dime off those $14m, tbh... makes no difference to me how much he's getting paid.

Now go cry yourself in a corner...

[TheGreatYacht]

We were a free throw away from a title. :lol at thinking bringing back the crew is a mistake. We can still land a piece via sign and trade or just with mleA Piece = Some bum or scrub that couldn't find a team.

[timvp]

hopefully the deal is more like 10 million

Well, let's remember that Woj tends to be high when reporting Spurs salaries. He was $6M high on Duncan and like $4M high on McDyess, IIRC.

This very well could be a two-year, $12M.

[AFBlue]

Manu is not 25 anymore, so don't expect him to dominate the way he used to. But he's still damn valuable to this team

1. He was a net-negative in the games that mattered last year. You don't expect domination, but you should expect positive contribution.

2. His "value" is in terms of the role that he plays as the leader of the bench unit. If he's unable to play it effectively, then he's actually a negative value for the team.

[Mel_13]

Some perspective.

The combined salaries of Tim, Tony and Manu next season will be slightly less than the salary the Lakers will pay to Kobe. And that's without accounting for tens of millions in luxury tax.

[AFBlue]

It was actually more like this:

Pop: "Alright, Manu, here's a two-year contract. We need you to fill in the dollar amount per season. Keep in mind your fair market value is $7 million. But please, please, please consider signing for less so that we can squeeze in another strong piece and make another push for a championship. Even if you take $5 million, that will make a huge different."

Manu: "Si Señor."

Pop: "So how much do you want?"

Manu: "cinco millones"

Pop: "english Manu"

Rudoy: "7 millions"

Pop: "Fuck"

Manu: "gracias"

:lol

[Nathan89]

We were a free throw away from a title. :lol at thinking bringing back the crew is a mistake. We can still land a piece via sign and trade or just with mle

Manu didn't put us in that position to be a free-throw away. But he was part of the reason why we have to say we were a free-throw away.

[dallasmaverickslose]

$8M was my greedy line. $7M is at the top end of my fair line.

I think it's wrong to say Ginobili was greedy but we also can't pretend that he did the Spurs any favors.

I agree. I would've liked for him to take less, but it's not something worth whining about.

[romain.star]

When Tim signed his last deal, way before he looked renewed as he did, some people thought $10m was too much for him... he obviously turned the clock back and everything is forgotten now.

No disrespect to Manu's body but he won't turn the clock the way TD has. Bottom line is: Manu has chosen not to help the Spurs regarding their salary cap.

[ernest787]

I wish he would have taken less but I'm ok with it

ultimately I think the spurs are banking on Leonard taking another large step next year. Wouldn't be surprised if they expect tony to be option 1 and Leonard option 2 next year. If he can do that and they can possibly use the MLE to grab another asset then I like the spurs chances next season

[ElNono]

No disrespect to Manu's body but he won't turn the clock the way TD has.

Looking at this deal, I hope he does...

[Nathan89]

Manu could have pulled a James Harden and demanded more money/bolted for a lead role early in his career. He was loyal to the spurs and we love him for it. He just slashed his salary in half. I can't complain. This team as constructed was good enough to win an NBA championship.

You say that like he did us a favor. He slashed it in half and he's still overpaid.

[spurraider21]

A Piece = Some bum or scrub that couldn't find a team.
Much like Danny green

[manufan10]

So if Manu took $5m per year instead of $7, what does that do to Spurs cap?

[pgardn]

I wonder how this conversation would have gone had we beat Miami, which was well within our grasp.


A two minute time period changed player's worth. Amazing, seeing that we were so bad...

This organization is repaying debt to a guy who is the most competitive player we have ever had.
Manu should have found out in an airport that we would not resign him.

[SpursSerb]

Well, unfortunately Manus deal was what I thought. He did not give the Spurs any discount at all. He got his full market value. I'm happy he's back but combined with how bad he let his team down in the finals I am still incredibly disappointed in Manu Ginobili.

Free agency, from an impact player perspective is likely dead. Not only because of the players available at MLE level, but because MLE has never been good enough for the Spurs. They needed that 7M number to lure someone.

Glad he's back, but damn Manu right now for this past couple months.

[Creation88]

Manu is not 25 anymore, so don't expect him to dominate the way he used to. But he's still damn valuable to this team

see Tim Duncan. quality. Manu is not quality, consistently.

[Mel_13]

So if Manu took $5m per year instead of $7, what does that do to Spurs cap?

Saves Holt 2M, but the MLE would still be the most they could offer a free agent.

[ducks]

jack ass does not russians I see

[ElNono]

Saves Holt 2M, but the MLE would still be the most they could offer a free agent.

But he cost the championship!!!! let me start a thread about it!!!

[Texas_Ranger]

lol at thinking 7M is a good deal. The guy is not even playing 25 minutes a game is 36 and injury prone. Which other team would give him this much??

[polandprzem]

nobody but the spurs was willing to give him 14m

[weebo]

called all this shit...next move for the spurs is find a back up sf and try to find another gem during summer league to develop...cojo will play a larger role next year and so will de cool...

[Bruno]

So if Manu took $5m per year instead of $7, what does that do to Spurs cap?

It could be the difference between Spurs getting Kirilenko and Spurs not getting him.

[manufan10]

Saves Holt 2M, but the MLE would still be the most they could offer a free agent.

So realistically, it doesn't really have an effect on the Spurs at all?

Edit: Or could the remaining $2m be added to the MLE?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

This contract was all about pushing the Spurs over the Cap so they have the Full MLE and LLE like they did last year. Now the Spurs can offer Kirilenko a 4 year 22.5 mil dollar deal and they are still in a position to Sign and trade for Ellis or another playmaker.

This is exactly what the Clippers did. Once they got Paul signed, it pushed them over the cap. They made a trade for Reddick for 7mil a year and just shipped out Bledsoe and picks. The Clips still have the full MLE at this point to sign a player. IMO, this is exactly the route the Spurs are trying to take at this point.

[Mel_13]

So realistically, it doesn't really have an effect on the Spurs at all?

That's my view. Others disagree.

[AFBlue]

Looking at this deal, I hope he does...

That's where I'm at. I think the deal stinks, and I'm just left hoping that he finds the same "second wind" in his career that Timmy experienced last year. Because one thing is clear...there is no one on this roster as it's currently constituted to take Manu's role away from him. Spurs second unit is going to live and die by Manu.

God help us. I'll be praying (in vein?) for a re-energized, healthy Manu.

[ElNono]

It could be the difference between Spurs getting Kirilenko and Spurs not getting him.

Bruno trolling :lol

[AFBlue]

It could be the difference between Spurs getting Kirilenko and Spurs not getting him.

:bang

[AFBlue]

Bruno trolling :lol

It worked on me. :lol

[dallasmaverickslose]

called all this shit...next move for the spurs is find a back up sf and try to find another gem during summer league to develop...cojo will play a larger role next year and so will de cool...

Yeah. People are always talking about how we need a new back up PG but we already have one in Cory. Just give him some more time to develop and I think he could turn into a very solid part of the rotation. His defense is very promising, and I suspect he's going to work on his offensive game this offseason.

[Mel_13]

This contract was all about pushing the Spurs over the Cap so they have the Full MLE and LLE like they did last year.

Spurs already had the full MLE before the Manu contract.

Spurs will not have the LLE(BAE) this year because they used it last year on Nando.

[romain.star]

Looking at this deal, I hope he does...

I expect him to make plays (when Parker is out or gassed), to shoot the 3, to stay in front of his man on defense and to be clutch late in games (and for the right team this time)

[Man In Black]

:lmao Shaun Livingston is our missing piece.

The guy is as close to as 100% as he'll ever be. If you're thinking that Corey Joseph could outplay him and do the things that Manu does, then you're straight up sunk little dinghy.

[DesignatedT]

Trade for Grievas Vasquez. Problem solved.