Spurs in Serious Talks with Belinelli (Edit: signed to 2 year/$6M)

[dbestpro]

Without signing another SF, the best SF other than Leonard that we have is Danny Green. If we do not sign another SF could we see Manu or Marco at starting SG with Green subbing in for Leonard?

[Darkwaters]

I've seen some posters here classify Beli as a decent defender..he really isn't, tbh:lol..he's a terrible defensive player, but as I said earlier, better than Neal(it's virtually impossible to be worse than Neal on defense, though)..

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[Brunodf]

He is much better than Neal

[DPG21920]

Critical to find out what this deal actually is. Lots of ramifications. If it's MLE, Spurs will only have about 2M to sign another FA. If it's room exception, all the cap space scenarios are still a possibility.

If you were to tell me before the preseason that the Spurs could bring back the same squad, but swap Blair/Neal/Bonner (and maybe Mills or De Colo) for Baynes/Belinelli/AK47, that would be given an A+++++++.

[ohmwrecker]

I Grandi Testicoli!

[spurraider21]

So you replace Neal's offense with a similarly productive Belinelli and you go from terrible defense to below average defense. An upgrade

[Bruno]

Just to keep things straight, the above scenario assumes:

Bonner amnesty
Blair/Neal renounced and gone
De Colo included in the trade (his salary)
Tiago's being signed last so his cap hold is the calculated in the cap room
Manu being a normal contract where YR2 is higher than YR1.

All that equals 7.6M

Yes, it does.

[manufan10]

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[Darkwaters]

Belinelly signed with the room exception, spurs amnestying Bonner and adding a player like Kirilenko is just a possible scenario.

Another possible scenario that is way less optimistic is Belinelli being signed with a part of the MLE. Spurs will then sign a cheap forward like Casspi with the rest of their MLE and call it an offseason...

The Spurs probably need to add at least one more big (and I'll count Kirilenko). But otherwise they have Duncan/Splitter/Baynes/Diaw and that's it. And Baynes/Splitter are exclusively Centers. Any possibilities on Veterans Minimum bigs?

[DPG21920]

Tyrus Thomas is likely being amnestied from CHA to make room for Al Jefferson.

[Johnny RIngo]

Critical to find out what this deal actually is. Lots of ramifications. If it's MLE, Spurs will only have about 2M to sign another FA. If it's room exception, all the cap space scenarios are still a possibility.

If you were to tell me before the preseason that the Spurs could bring back the same squad, but swap Blair/Neal/Bonner (and maybe Mills or De Colo) for Baynes/Belinelli/AK47, that would be given an A+++++++.

No guarantee Baynes will get playing time next season...also no guarantee we sign AK

[Bruno]

The Spurs probably need to add at least one more big (and I'll count Kirilenko). But otherwise they have Duncan/Splitter/Baynes/Diaw and that's it. And Baynes/Splitter are exclusively Centers. Any possibilities on Veterans Minimum bigs?

You forget Bonner. He won't be amnestied if Spurs sign Belinelli with a part of the MLE.

[slick'81]

Has it been confirmed if its 3$ yet

[Captivus]

Oden?

[DPG21920]

No guarantee Baynes will get playing time next season...also no guarantee we sign AK

I know, I was just pointing out a potential scenario.

[SpursSerb]

Someone of the expirings will be traded.

[polandprzem]

Has it been confirmed if its 3$ yet
three dollars?

[ohmwrecker]

If they keep Gary then they must be giving up on either Cory or Nando.

Please let it be Nando.

[coyotes_geek]

Why? Do you seriously think anyone out there wants Nando De Colo right now :lol

If they can get him for basically nothing, sure, there's teams out there who would take him.

[Chinook]

I don't like it. The Spurs' problem was not their shooters. It was their ball-handlers, particularly those who had the size to stay on the floor against the Heat. If Belinelli is just a replacement for Neal and Bonner, then I'm good with it. But if that's their answer to countering their loss, then I'm concerned.

Maybe Ginobili would move to the three full time or something, but even if the Spurs move a guard or two to make room, they still don't really have a stable spot in the rotation.

[BatManu20]

Wow I get on an airplane for an hour and this happens! Great news. Def an upgrade over Neal. Nice work R.C.

[smaka]

No way Bonner is getting amnestied. He is Pop's puppy.

Belli is a solid pickup, btw.

[marinoman]

i still feel like spurs biggest need is a playmaker off the bench, pg probably, the spurs and many on this forum apparently disagree with me

[Mal]

Now, Spurs need tweener. If Belinelli was signed with part of MLE, throw rest on Aminu.

[DPG21920]

I don't like it. The Spurs' problem was not their shooters. It was their ball-handlers, particularly those who had the size to stay on the floor against the Heat. If Belinelli is just a replacement for Neal and Bonner, then I'm good with it. But if that's their answer to countering their loss, then I'm concerned.

Maybe Ginobili would move to the three full time or something, but even if the Spurs move a guard or two to make room, they still don't really have a stable spot in the rotation.

Agree and disagree. Spurs did have some problem making shots. Manu couldn't space the floor and Danny was tightly guarded in games 6 & 7. This is another guy to account for that has hit playoff shots. MIA is really the only team with a defense that studly to expose the ball handling and even then the Spurs should have won.

[NASpurs]

He'll fit in nicely when Manu does his annual "Miss 3/4 of the season due to injury" disappearance.

[loveforthegame]

I've given up hope on AK47 but maybe the Spurs will surprise us. They certainly did with this signing.

I'd be happy with Wright, Casspi, or Aminu (might be out our price range) as a back up plan.

[Joyrider]

This move also helps to have another player that can slash AND finish at the rim. Something Neal or even Green couldn't do for the life of them. Maybe Beli as a slasher and spot up Manu on the wing. The bench is gonna be superb next year with Diaw, Beli, and Manu as the primary ball handlers.

[Darkwaters]

You forget Bonner. He won't be amnestied if Spurs sign Belinelli with a part of the MLE.

I guess I'm just assuming hes gone one way or the other.

[Darkwaters]

Spurs don't need another traditional big, they need a small ball PF, tbh..

Hence why I said I'd be fine with AK47 in that role.

[spursince#99]

Yeah fuck it and just sign Aminu with the rest of the MLE cause I already know that's what the shit bags used.

[hommeaetage]

i still feel like spurs biggest need is a playmaker off the bench, pg probably, the spurs and many on this forum apparently disagree with me

This. In my opinion the backup PG situation last year cost us the title

[NASpurs]

What about Tyrus Thomas?

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[Mal]

What about Tyrus Thomas?

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He is on auction. There`ll be teams that can spend more than Spurs.

[DPG21920]

Bruno - just speculation, but how confident are you that Belinelli is going to be signed with the Room Exception? I mean, wasn't he signed with the BAE from the Bulls? Getting the room exception is a slightly bigger contract than that was, but I am not quite sure what to think the most likely scenario is here.

My gut tells me that using the MLE is probably the route they are going, but what are your best guesses?

[CGD]

I don't like it. The Spurs' problem was not their shooters. It was their ball-handlers, particularly those who had the size to stay on the floor against the Heat. If Belinelli is just a replacement for Neal and Bonner, then I'm good with it. But if that's their answer to countering their loss, then I'm concerned.

Maybe Ginobili would move to the three full time or something, but even if the Spurs move a guard or two to make room, they still don't really have a stable spot in the rotation.

I tend to agree with the ball-handling concern, which is why I always thought Evan was an interesting option (until I saw the Pelican's offer sheet). At this point though I just dont know who else they could have gotten. This move eliminates getting Ellis, and I really don't know who else would have "solved" that issue, tbh. On another note, I feel spoiled even having this discussion since the Spurs were 28 seconds from a title.

If Belinelli is signed with part of the MLE, wonder if the Spurs would use the other portion on Oden assuming the interest is still there.

[Darkwaters]

I'm amazed that more people aren't jumping on the Tyrus Thomas bandwagon. A couple years ago people were screaming to get him at the trade deadline.

[DPG21920]

I'm amazed that more people aren't jumping on the Tyrus Thomas bandwagon. A couple years ago people were screaming to get him at the trade deadline.

That's because the Spurs didn't have Tiago. He wouldn't be a bad pick up, but he has been so bad after getting a massive contract from the Cats.

[Darkwaters]

If Belinelli is signed with part of the MLE, wonder if the Spurs would use the other portion on Oden assuming the interest is still there.

Do you genuinely believe the interest was ever there? I don't.

[Mel_13]

I'm amazed that more people aren't jumping on the Tyrus Thomas bandwagon. A couple years ago people were screaming to get him at the trade deadline.

The intervening three years have silenced them on the subject. Good lesson for all the armchair GMs around here. Those types were blasting the FO for not outbidding Charlotte for Thomas back in Feb, 2010.

[Darkwaters]

That's because the Spurs didn't have Tiago. He wouldn't be a bad pick up, but he has been so bad after getting a massive contract from the Cats.

I mean I get it. But as an amnesty pick-up we'd likely be paying him peanuts if we got him. I just figured more people would be coming out in favor of the idea.

[Chinook]

I don't think the Spurs got appreciably worse or anything. I actually think they got a little better. But they have the opportunity to get more than just a little better by either signing a bigger free agent or letting their guards develop. I didn't see Neal's role as one that absolutely needed to be filled, so I'm surprised they went out and signed a free agent when they already have numerous candidates for the spot on the roster.

[slick'81]

Soo the room is 2.7 but let's give him that xtra 300k out if the mle

[td4mvp2k]

I don't like this, Marco getting very overrated, I prefer much much much more Neal than bellinelli taking to consider also money wise, apparently this finals heartbrake experience fuckd up front office also and more than we could have thought of, it's a mess!


I don't get this move. Belinelli isn't any better than Neal TBQH. It makes no sense to burn your MLE on Belinelli when you can just keep Neal and use that MLE on someone else. It makes even less sense to burn your MLE on Belinelli and then keep Neal.:tu

[Baam]

I don't think the Spurs got appreciably worse or anything. I actually think they got a little better. But they have the opportunity to get more than just a little better by either signing a bigger free agent or letting their guards develop. I didn't see Neal's role as one that absolutely needed to be filled, so I'm surprised they went out and signed a free agent when they already have numerous candidates for the spot on the roster.

Like who? They see De Colo as a PG so there's no one...

[Darkwaters]

I don't think the Spurs got appreciably worse or anything. I actually think they got a little better. But they have the opportunity to get more than just a little better by either signing a bigger free agent or letting their guards develop. I didn't see Neal's role as one that absolutely needed to be filled, so I'm surprised they went out and signed a free agent when they already have numerous candidates for the spot on the roster.

If we could sprinkle some of that magic that we used on Danny Green over onto De Colo an Joseph we'd be rocking. Danny looked like crap the first time we signed him. Now hes a legitimate starting NBA Shooting Guard with an NBA Finals record.

[DPG21920]

Soo the room is 2.7 but let's give him that xtra 300k out if the mle

They are mutually exclusive. You cannot use both.

[timvp]

Damn, didn't expect a deal to be done on 4th of July, tbh :wow

I've never really been a big fan of Belinelli. His shot selection is suspect, he doesn't draw many fouls, his defense is iffy at best and always seems a bit moody. The good news is that he's a good three-point shooter already in his career even though he's never gotten the open looks he will get with the Spurs. He has a really good shot of being a 40% shooter from three-point range in San Antonio.

Additionally, he can create shots a little bit and he seems to thrive in clutch situations. Oh, and he can get really damn hot from the perimeter and stay in that zone for a game or two.

I'm still digesting this signing. He's a relatively cheap way to add a scoring punch, which is a good thing. But the aforementioned negatives made me never really picture him in a Spurs uniform. Hmmmmmmmmm...

He's basically if you took Brent Barry and combined him with Gary Neal. He can be frustrating at times but his ability to score is useful when things break down. If he can learn to play better defense and rein in some of his wildness, he could be a fit. But there's a risk that Pop will want to strangle him by Christmas.

[Johnny RIngo]

If we could sprinkle some of that magic that we used on Danny Green over onto De Colo an Joseph we'd be rocking. Danny looked like crap the first time we signed him. Now hes a legitimate starting NBA Shooting Guard with an NBA Finals record.

Danny Green was a pretty good college player though. You could see the potential there. I don't think DeColo has ever been half decent at any point in his basketball career.

[Steve-O-Matic]

The deal is for $5.6M. This performance may have played a role...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvwATeETOmo

[Big P]

Belinelli is a great shooter and after watching a lot of his games, he is a scrappy player who hustles and is not afraid to go at it. I think its a great signing for us..I will think its an excellent signing for us if its for the room exception...if we can pull off AK47 with the MLE and sign a vet big man looking to win a title, then that would be the best offseason we could have...we get quality backup at every postion. Do it RC and Pop!

[ohmwrecker]

I mean I get it. But as an amnesty pick-up we'd likely be paying him peanuts if we got him. I just figured more people would be coming out in favor of the idea.

I like TT, but he's lazy. If he could adapt to the culture, he would be a solid p/u. I doubt the Spurs will get him though. Some dumbass GM will still overpay for him.

[DPG21920]

I don't get this move. Belinelli isn't any better than Neal TBQH. It makes no sense to burn your MLE on Belinelli when you can just keep Neal and use that MLE on someone else. It makes even less sense to burn your MLE on Belinelli and then keep Neal.

Well one thing is Neal may be getting much bigger offers than 2/6M, so that may play into it. Overall, I like Beli better, but what you say is pretty much true IMO so it points to the Spurs hopefully using the Room Exception. Nothing else makes too much sense unless Neal is getting large offers (that even though the Spurs can match, they may not want to).

[Chinook]

Like who? They see De Colo as a PG so there's no one...

Mills is still on the roster, and he's a scorer. Joseph and De Colo can get better offensively.

[ducks]

cheap enough if he does not work off they could trade him

[Darkwaters]

Danny Green was a pretty good college player though. You could see the potential there. I don't think DeColo has ever been half decent at any point in his basketball career.

We get it, you hate Nando De Colo.

[Baam]

Mills is still on the roster, and he's a scorer. Joseph and De Colo can get better offensively.

Mills is very undersized and Manu is very likely to get injured so they needed a real backup plan.

But I agree I see De Colo as more of a SG but not them obviously.

[ducks]

for those saying he is not better then neal
neal is going to get paid alot more
you can thank manu for taking more money

[Bruno]

Bruno - just speculation, but how confident are you that Belinelli is going to be signed with the Room Exception? I mean, wasn't he signed with the BAE from the Bulls? Getting the room exception is a slightly bigger contract than that was, but I am not quite sure what to think the most likely scenario is here.

My gut tells me that using the MLE is probably the route they are going, but what are your best guesses?

Quite frankly, I have no idea what are Spurs plan. You can really make a strong case for both scenario (room exception or part of the MLE).

Wait and see.

[spurraider21]

The deal is for $5.6M.=

if the deal is really for 5.6 (2.8 per year), it would be such a shitty break :lol
the room exception is for 5.4 million over 2 years (2.7 per year). If they really coughed up that 100k per year at the expense of a few million in cap to sign a free agent, i'll be pissed

[PlayNando]

INTERNATIONAL INTELLIGENCE SIGNED RC BUFORD FOR THE MOTHERFARKING WIN BITCHES.

[Janko]

RivistaUfficialeNBA ‏@RivistaNBA 57s
Marco Belinelli ha rifiutato un contratto da 12 milioni di dollari in due anni da parte dei Cleveland Cavaliers, secondo fonti attendibili.

[TheGreatYacht]

Yay we got Rocky on our team. I wish him the best of luck. Hopefully he can translate to Manu in Italian to stop turning the ball over. Belinelli is going to get all the open looks in the world with Pop''s system. Hopefully Kahwi can give him some tips on defense. I liked what I saw from this kid against the cHeat. He is not afraid to shoot the ball.

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[ffadicted]

tbqh, how the hell does Bruno know so much about this sh*t lol

[Johnny RIngo]

We get it, you hate Nando De Colo.

I don't hate him. I just don't understand why SA's wasting their time on him. I remember being very unimpressed watching him on the French NT two years ago. He's already 26(same age as Green)...not a lot of room for improvement. The fact that he whined about playing time during the playoffs is another bad sign. It's as if he EXPECTS to play without earning the playing time. That Spanoulis attitude(Euro player with big ego) won't cut in the NBA

[PlayNando]

Belinelli is a great pickup, especially for the price.

[LakerHater]

If the Spurs used the room exception on Belinelli than the MLE is gone. They are mutually exclusive.

[Bruno]

tbqh, how the hell does Bruno know so much about this sh*t lol

tbqh, I'm a weird dude.

[Chinook]

Mills is very undersized and Manu is very likely to get injured so they needed a real backup plan.

But I agree I see De Colo as more of a SG but not them obviously.

Both Mills and Neal are small-shooting guards, but at least Mills is quick and can pressure the ball. He deserves a chance. Otherwise, what does the team keep bringing him back for?

[CGD]

Damn, didn't expect a deal to be done on 4th of July, tbh :wow

I've never really been a big fan of Belinelli. His shot selection is suspect, he doesn't draw many fouls, his defense is iffy at best and always seems a bit moody. The good news is that he's a good three-point shooter already in his career even though he's never gotten the open looks he will get with the Spurs. He has a really good shot of being a 40% shooter from three-point range in San Antonio.

Additionally, he can create shots a little bit and he seems to thrive in clutch situations. Oh, and he can get really damn hot from the perimeter and stay in that zone for a game or two.

I'm still digesting this signing. He's a relatively cheap way to add a scoring punch, which is a good thing. But the aforementioned negatives made me never really picture him in a Spurs uniform. Hmmmmmmmmm...

He's basically if you took Brent Barry and combined him with Gary Neal. He can be frustrating at times but his ability to score is useful when things break down. If he can learn to play better defense and rein in some of his wildness, he could be a fit. But there's a risk that Pop will want to strangle him by Christmas.

So in the worst case senario he's a taller, and likely cheaper version on Gary Neal (who must be getting larger offers if the Spurs aren't matching)?

I'll take that, especially if he can thrive in clutch situations, get really damn hot from the perimeter, and stay in that zone for a game or two. I also wont cringe when he tries to drive and create like with Neal. Great pick up in my book.

[ducks]

he turned down 12 million to play for the spurs instead for 6 million

[tomtom]

Awesome signing! Now if we can pull in Kirilenko I like our chances next season

[spurraider21]

he turned down 12 million to play for the spurs instead for 6 million

if he's willing to give up that much he may as well sign for 5.4 :lol

[LakerHater]

they have $2 million to offer via the room exception. Still $2 million left to offer to any other free agent

[TheGreatYacht]

if he's willing to give up that much he may as well sign for 5.4 :lolTell that to Manu.
I don't hate him. I just don't understand why SA's wasting their time on him. I remember being very unimpressed watching him on the French NT two years ago. He's already 26(same age as Green)...not a lot of room for improvement. The fact that he whined about playing time during the playoffs is another bad sign. It's as if he EXPECTS to play without earning the playing time.I know right? And some people on these forums actually bitc* about Dejuan Blair being Emo on Twitter. Fuc*ing hypocrites.

[apalisoc_9]

Both Mills and Neal are small-shooting guards, but at least Mills is quick and can pressure the ball. He deserves a chance. Otherwise, what does the team keep bringing him back for?

They didn't exactly bring him back. He just opted in.

I wouldnt be surprised if he's used as part of a package for a S&T deal.

[TD 21]

Mills is still on the roster, and he's a scorer. Joseph and De Colo can get better offensively.

Pop made it abundantly clear last season that he views Mills as an SG on offense and as a 12th man in general (at least on a team of this caliber). And Joseph and De Colo are flat out not scorers and never will be.

They desperately needed scoring punch off the bench to pair with Ginobili and as insurance for him, which is why I was always in favor of retaining Neal or at least replacing him with someone of similar ilk, which they obviously just did.

:lol At those who hate Neal, but love the Belinelli signing . . . wait until you find out that he's basically a lighter version of him.

[CGD]

RivistaUfficialeNBA ‏@RivistaNBA 57s
Marco Belinelli ha rifiutato un contratto da 12 milioni di dollari in due anni da parte dei Cleveland Cavaliers, secondo fonti attendibili.

So the Cav's offer wasnt that much more lucrative than the Spurs offer.

[spurraider21]

They didn't exactly bring him back. He just opted in.

I wouldnt be surprised if he's used as part of a package for a S&T deal.
yeah. mills is actually great value at 1.2 million (or whatever he opted in for). its just that we don't have the need. any team with the cap room should welcome a deal for him. golden state should give him a look tbh if jack is leaving

[ducks]

12 million is much more then 6 million

[Darkwaters]

So the Cav's offer wasnt that much more lucrative than the Spurs offer.

It was double.

[Kineto]

And with a S&T like:
Spurs get Kirilenko for De Colo + cash
Minny get a TE for Kirilenko
Third Team (like Utah) get De Colo + cash for nothing

Spurs will be able to offer Kirilenko a starting salary of $7.6M.


Does the same trade possible with mills ?

If De Colo prefer to come back in europe, can't we negociate a buyout with him, and offer the same amount without involving a third team ?

[Chinook]

Pop made it abundantly clear last season that he views Mills as an SG on offense and as a 12th man in general (at least on a team of this caliber). And Joseph and De Colo are flat out not scorers and never will be.

They desperately need scoring punch off the bench to pair with Ginobili and as insurance for him, which is why I was always in favor of retaining Neal or at least, replacing him with someone of similar ilk, which they obviously just did.

I'm sure Pop wouldn't keep encouraging Mills to come back if he didn't feel like he could be better than he is. Mills was always a better compliment to Ginobili than Neal. Joseph in the very least has shown flashes of being a good scorer. He's actually a pretty good shooter, and he's an excellent finisher. He just needs the right mentality. The same thing can be said for De Colo as well. It's Pop's job to develop that.

There's no point in having young players on the team if they're just going to spend their rookie contracts on the bench. I thought Pop had learned that after these last couple of years, but I don't know anymore.

[ace3g]

Here is his twitter info

@marcobelinelli

[CGD]

It was double.

Wow really? I read that sentence to say that he turn down a 12 million dollars contract over two years, NOT that each year was 12M.

Also, it doesnt make sense that it is a 24m/yrs deal logically. Shit, thats slightly less than what Iggy or Al Jefferson are rumored to get.

[temujin]

Yay we got Rocky on our team. I wish him the best of luck. Hopefully he can translate to Manu in Italian to stop turning the ball over. Belinelli is going to get all the open looks in the world with Pop''s system. Hopefully Kahwi can give him some tips on defense. I liked what I saw from this kid against the cHeat. He is not afraid to shoot the ball.

ahttp://www.ology.com/bundles/ologysocial/up/img/post/prost_4f8ee0735a9584.72994800.png (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=pu-9i1kUs-DwkM&tbnid=KLmVlLu3DaYKPM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ology.com%2Fpost%2F70077%2F10-more-sports-figures-that-look-like-celebrities-fictional-characters-and-other-strange-creatures&ei=seXVUY_eF9CoqwHwl4D4CQ&bvm=bv.48705608,d.aWM&psig=AFQjCNFHrfes15cu_t-Bn4Phzw-ZjD5Tsg&ust=1373058848386495)


:lol

I am sure you will like many of Beli's "ignorant" shots.....

:rollin

[jermaine]

It was double.

I know right. I rather have 2 women than 1 woman at 1 time. 2 pay checks is better than 1. Well they get my point.

[ducks]

Here is his twitter info

@marcobelinelli

someone twit him ask him if spurs talked about getting another player for the mle

[spurraider21]

whats lame is... if the MLE ends up being our "ace in the hole" then the shedding of the RJ/Jax contract did absolutely nothing for us except save Holt some coin.

we could have made these same exact moves if we used bird rights and MLE only...

[spursince#99]

Wow really? I read that sentence to say that he turn down a 12 million dollars contract over two years, NOT that each year was 12M.


Dude WTF? :lmao

[temujin]

Wow really? I read that sentence to say that he turn down a 12 million dollars contract over two years, NOT that each year was 12M.

12 M for 2 years from Cleveland.

No thanks yo, I play for Pop.
And with my IDOL Emanuel Ginobili.

[hommeaetage]

Wow really? I read that sentence to say that he turn down a 12 million dollars contract over two years, NOT that each year was 12M.

That's exactly what it is, he got 6M for 2 years by the Spurs (6M less than Cavs offer)

[CGD]

Dude WTF? :lmao

I dont get your comment. It was indeed a two year deal for 12M total. I was right.

[Bruno]

Does the same trade possible with mills ?

If De Colo prefer to come back in europe, can't we negociate a buyout with him, and offer the same amount without involving a third team ?

You can do the same trade with Mills but Kirilenko would only get $7.3M or less.

If the De Colo buyout is $0, then you can offer Kirilenko $7.6M in a simple two team S&T (Kirilenko for a TE). If the buyout is $X, you can offer Kirilenko $7.6M-$X or $7.6M-$X/3 if you use the stretch exception. For example, if Spurs negotiate a $600K buyout, they would be able to offer Kirilenko $7M or $7.4M if they use the stretch provision on the buyout.

[spurraider21]

And with a S&T like:
Spurs get Kirilenko for De Colo + cash
Minny get a TE for Kirilenko
Third Team (like Utah) get De Colo + cash for nothing

Spurs will be able to offer Kirilenko a starting salary of $7.6M.

is this also dependent on a bonner amnesty and the Bello contract being room exception?

[spursince#99]

I dont get your comment. It was indeed a two year deal for 12M total. I was right.


2 year $12M compared to 2 year $6M. Come on I know you can add bro that's doubled. :lol

[spursince#99]

is this also dependent on a bonner amnesty and the Bello contract being room exception?


No

[pad300]

RivistaUfficialeNBA ‏@RivistaNBA 57s
Marco Belinelli ha rifiutato un contratto da 12 milioni di dollari in due anni da parte dei Cleveland Cavaliers, secondo fonti attendibili.

I'd be really impressed if he turned down twice the salary to play for SAS, but I don't believe it. Belinelli wasn't going to get offered more than the MLE, even by Cleveland...

[Bruno]

352879390641754114

It's really close to the room exception that is exactly $5.42M over 2 years.

[Darkwaters]

Wow really? I read that sentence to say that he turn down a 12 million dollars contract over two years, NOT that each year was 12M.

Also, it doesnt make sense that it is a 24m/yrs deal logically. Shit, thats slightly less than what Iggy or Al Jefferson are rumored to get.

The Spurs aren't paying him 6M a year. They're paying him 6M over 2 years. The Cavs offered him 12M for 2 years, hence double.

[Johnny RIngo]

12 M for 2 years from Cleveland.

No thanks yo, I play for Pop.
And with my IDOL Emanuel Ginobili.

He's probably better than his idol at the point in their careers

[SpursSerb]

Well it would extremely dumb to go over room exception for 100k.

[temujin]

Quite frankly, De Colo should be gone.
He is a 1 year younger clone of Beli with less everything.

[apalisoc_9]

352879390641754114

It's really close to the room exception that is exactly $5.42M over 2 years.

Does it need to be falt 5.42? or would 5.6 suffice as the room excpetion?

[Big P]

We still have the MLE if it was the room exception?

[Darkwaters]

I'd be really impressed if he turned down twice the salary to play for SAS, but I don't believe it. Belinelli wasn't going to get offered more than the MLE, even by Cleveland...

Yea, kind of hard to believe. Now if it was reportedly Toronto or Charlotte I might have believed it easier. They've never had a clue on how to manage salaries.

[timvp]

Obviously, we gotta hope it was for the room exception. It would kinda suck to have to replace Neal with the bigger slice of the MLE.

Other random thoughts:

-This feels like the Spurs made an offer to Neal, he didn't take it so they moved quickly to find a replacement. They probably offered Neal the same amount.

-Swapping Belinelli for Neal puts more pressure on Cory Joseph. Unlike Neal, Belinelli can't even pretend to play backup point guard. I don't think a Belinelli/Ginobili backcourt would work.

-I want CJ as part of the rotation next year, so I see that added pressure as a good thing.

-Neal vs. Belinelli is very close talent-wise. I'd maybe say Neal is a slightly better player. That said, Belinelli has more upside, he's bigger and can't be a worse defender.

-On a scale of 1 to 10, Neal is probably a 2 defender. Belinelli last year was a 3 or 3.5 ..... but that was with Tom Thibodeau pushing him and he's even more strict about defense than Pop. So touting Belinelli as a upgrade defensively over Neal is dangerous because he could end up being the same level.

-Historically, Belinelli's shot selection is as bad or worse than Neal's.








After thinking about it some, I'm not excited or disappointed in this move. Swapping Neal for Belinelli probably doesn't move the needle at all. Going with Belinelli is a little bit more volatile because he's the type of player who could piss off Pop and end up in the doghouse ....... but he also has enough untapped potential to surprise and have his best season in San Antonio.

[Bruno]

is this also dependent on a bonner amnesty and the Bello contract being room exception?

Yes, the full scenario would be:

First step, Spurs re-sign Manu, amnesty Bonner, renounce to Neal, Blair and Mcgrady and got a letter from Jean-Charles confirming he would stay in France for the next season.
Second step, Spurs do that S&T for Kirilenko.
Third, step, Spurs re-sign Splitter and sign Belinelli with the room exeception.

[temujin]

He's probably better than his idol at the point in their careers

Don't count on Beli to ever acknowledge that, if ever true.

[spursince#99]

352879390641754114

It's really close to the room exception that is exactly $5.42M over 2 years.


We don't even have the room exception to offer. Just face it, we used a part of the MLE. The more you face reality, the less you'll be disappointed when you find out the truth.

[spursince#99]

I don't even think you can get the room exception after doing a sign & trade anyway.

[turkish spurs fan]

We still have the MLE if it was the room exception?


Jeff McDonald‏@JMcDonald_SAEN (https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN)

No. This is the part I'm sure of. It's one or the other. RT @decoburak (https://twitter.com/decoburak) can we use room exception then mle together?

nope.

[ducks]

if jeff it is part of it I would say the opposite

[Bruno]

Does it need to be falt 5.42? or would 5.6 suffice as the room excpetion?

If it's $5.6M, it can't be the room exception.

The max contract a player could get with the room exception this year is:
13-14: $2,652,000
14-15: $2,771,340
For a total of $5,423,340

If Belinelli is even paid $1 more than that, he can't be signed with that exception.

[Mel_13]

I don't even think you can get the room exception after doing a sign & trade anyway.

Just a hint: thinking that you know more about the CBA than Bruno is a loser's game.

You're wrong about the S&T and the room exception, btw..

[TD 21]

I'm sure Pop wouldn't keep encouraging Mills to come back if he didn't feel like he could be better than he is. Mills was always a better compliment to Ginobili than Neal. Joseph in the very least has shown flashes of being a good scorer. He's actually a pretty good shooter, and he's an excellent finisher. He just needs the right mentality. The same thing can be said for De Colo as well. It's Pop's job to develop that.

There's no point in having young players on the team if they're just going to spend their rookie contracts on the bench. I thought Pop had learned that after these last couple of years, but I don't know anymore.

Who said he ever encouraged him? Don't get me wrong, I think they like him, because he's a great teammate and an excellent 12th man, but they clearly don't see him as more than that. Why else would De Colo and Joseph have been given cracks at being the backup PG, but he wasn't? This despite the fact that everyone had him as Neal's primary competition beforehand.

Joseph hasn't shown flashes of anything offensively, with the exception of intuitive cutting . . . and I'm not sure why so many are pretending otherwise. I've never seen a rotation player with less responsibility in the playoffs.

There is a point and that point is, for depth purposes. Besides, he could still be the long term answer at backup PG; I just think it's highly unlikely his time is now, which doesn't jive with the rest of this team.

[Big P]

Jeff McDonald‏@JMcDonald_SAEN (https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN)

No. This is the part I'm sure of. It's one or the other. RT @decoburak (https://twitter.com/decoburak) can we use room exception then mle together?

nope.

Thanks.. :toast

[Genjuro]

Belinelli finally rejoins Manu: http://web.legabasket.it/game/60241/

[Brazil]

Obviously, we gotta hope it was for the room exception. It would kinda suck to have to replace Neal with the bigger slice of the MLE.

Other random thoughts:

-This feels like the Spurs made an offer to Neal, he didn't take it so they moved quickly to find a replacement. They probably offered Neal the same amount.

-Swapping Belinelli for Neal puts more pressure on Cory Joseph. Unlike Neal, Belinelli can't even pretend to play backup point guard. I don't think a Belinelli/Ginobili backcourt would work.

-I want CJ as part of the rotation next year, so I see that added pressure as a good thing.

-Neal vs. Belinelli is very close talent-wise. I'd maybe say Neal is a slightly better player. That said, Belinelli has more upside, he's bigger and can't be a worse defender.

-On a scale of 1 to 10, Neal is probably a 2 defender. Belinelli last year was a 3 or 3.5 ..... but that was with Tom Thibodeau pushing him and he's even more strict about defense than Pop. So touting Belinelli as a upgrade defensively over Neal is dangerous because he could end up being the same level.

-Historically, Belinelli's shot selection is as bad or worse than Neal's.








After thinking about it some, I'm not excited or disappointed in this move. Swapping Neal for Belinelli probably doesn't move the needle at all. Going with Belinelli is a little bit more volatile because he's the type of player who could piss off Pop and end up in the doghouse ....... but he also has enough untapped potential to surprise and have his best season in San Antonio.

if it's for 5,4M you should be excited imho

[Budkin]

Hmm.... was psyched when I first saw this because for some reason I thought it was Gallinari :lol. Not sure how I feel about this guy. Wasn't he pretty good against the Heat?

[lefty]

Fuck yes !!!!


Finally someone with cojones !


http://replygif.net/i/945.gif

[SpursRock20]

So at this point, we should be worried about 200k dollars. Hopefully, the front office made the correct decision. This could be the difference between contending for a championship and not making it out of the west.

[objective]

If it's not the room exception . . .

This offseason was pure garbage.

And let me tell you . . .

It's not the room exception. Because the Spurs won't amnesty Bonner. To them, Bonner is worth a 10 Kirilenkos.

[Baam]

If it's not the room exception . . .

This offseason was pure garbage.

And let me tell you . . .

It's not the room exception. Because the Spurs won't amnesty Bonner. To them, Bonner is worth a 10 Kirilenkos.

It's the truth and we all know it deep down...

[objective]

If the Spurs were blowing their MLE, better to give Clark a 2/10 deal and re-up Neal.

[SpursRock20]

If it's not the room exception . . .

This offseason was pure garbage.

And let me tell you . . .

It's not the room exception. Because the Spurs won't amnesty Bonner. To them, Bonner is worth a 10 Kirilenkos.

I hope not. The Spurs make plenty of right decisions but this infatuation with Bonner needs to end. He does not bring much to the table, is non-existent come playoff time, and he really isn't that much of a fan favorite. Dude is a good guy, but the correct basketball move is to let him go.

[timvp]

Regarding whether or not this is the room exception, I could see it going either way:

-Reports could easily round $5.42M to $5.6M.

-The Spurs could have strategically offered $5.6M because they knew a bunch of teams would be throwing him $5.42M offers. By slightly separating themselves from that pack, they were hoping that would entice Belinelli.






Unfortch, the latter is probably more likely. :depressed

[Brazil]

Fuck yes !!!!


Finally someone with cojones !


http://replygif.net/i/945.gif

:lol the goods

[temujin]

If it's not the room exception . . .

This offseason was pure garbage.

And let me tell you . . .

It's not the room exception. Because the Spurs won't amnesty Bonner. To them, Bonner is worth a 10 Kirilenkos.

In fact, they are right.

[Darkwaters]

I hope not. The Spurs make plenty of right decisions but this infatuation with Bonner needs to end. He does not bring much to the table, is non-existent come playoff time, and he really isn't that much of a fan favorite. Dude is a good guy, but the correct basketball move is to let him go.

He was basically an after-thought all season. I firmly believe that the love affair is coming to a conclusion.

[spursince#99]

Just a hint: thinking that you know more about the CBA than Bruno is a loser's game.

You're wrong about the S&T and the room exception, btw..

Cool beans, but know this. It's not the room exception, and we're not doing a sign & trade to acquire AK47. It's that simple. That's a "loser's game" for everyone on this forum who thinks otherwise.

[palangi]

Now sign omrri casspi to be the back up 3.

[objective]

Has the cap even been finalized? Is it possible it creeped up slightly making the room a little bigger?

either way, Bonner's here to stay. :lol

[Brazil]

Regarding whether or not this is the room exception, I could see it going either way:

-Reports could easily round $5.42M to $5.6M.

-The Spurs could have strategically offered $5.6M because they knew a bunch of teams would be throwing him $5.42M offers. By slightly separating themselves from that pack, they were hoping that would entice Belinelli.






Unfortch, the latter is probably more likely. :depressed

if he was so interested to go the Spurs to let Cavs offer on the table, I don't see why he wouldn't accept 5,42 from the Spurs with a bunch of teams throwing at him the same 5,42...

not saying he didn't get 5,6 just for the sake of the logical thinking

[SpursRock20]

-The Spurs could have strategically offered $5.6M because they knew a bunch of teams would be throwing him $5.42M offers. By slightly separating themselves from that pack, they were hoping that would entice Belinelli.

That makes no sense. Why would you purposefully hinder your ability to sign other FA's by signing a player marginally better than Neal?

[temujin]

The guy apparently turns down an offer of 12 M for 2 years, because he is offered half to play for Pop.

Seriously, who thinks he would be making a bid deal about the 6/5.4 difference?

[objective]

God, the same flaws are still there. No real SF other than Leonard. No smallball PF other than Leonard.

They just replace Neal with a slightly taller Neal.

We know what that means. Watch out on the roads tonight people.

[apalisoc_9]

Regarding whether or not this is the room exception, I could see it going either way:

-Reports could easily round $5.42M to $5.6M.

-The Spurs could have strategically offered $5.6M because they knew a bunch of teams would be throwing him $5.42M offers. By slightly separating themselves from that pack, they were hoping that would entice Belinelli.






Unfortch, the latter is probably more likely. :depressed

How so? He just turned down double the amount, what makes you think 200k would make any difference?

He's probably looking to play for a contending team, and if Belli is not dumb, he'd know there's only a few teams that are legit contenders.

Not to mention teams like OKC, Miami, Clippers, Nets, Memphis don't really need him.

[Mel_13]

That makes no sense. Why would you purposefully hinder your ability to sign other FA's by signing a player marginally better than Neal?

If Neal is out of your price range, then you have sign a replacement that fits in your salary structure.

[SpursRock20]

The guy apparently turns down an offer of 12 M for 2 years, because he is offered half to play for Pop.

Seriously, who thinks he would be making a bid deal about the 6/5.4 difference?
Exactly.

[Baam]

The guy apparently turns down an offer of 12 M for 2 years, because he is offered half to play for Pop.

Seriously, who thinks he would be making a bid deal about the 6/5.4 difference?

The thing it only makes a difference if the Spurs were ready to amnesty Bonbon and that's not happening...

[spurtech09]

solid pick up....

[SpursRock20]

If Neal is out of your price range, then you have sign a replacement that fits in your salary structure.
And your salary structure could not have been reduced by $200,000? I'm not buying it. Marco was already purchased on the cheap, what's another .2 mil?

[timvp]

That makes no sense. Why would you purposefully hinder your ability to sign other FA's by signing a player marginally better than Neal?

If the Spurs don't intent to create cap space, offering him $5.6M over two years isn't much of a different than $5.42M -- yet could help their offer stand out.

We assume that the Spurs have been trying to create that cap space but we don't know if that's actually the plan.

[Mel_13]

And your salary structure could not have been reduced by $200,000? I'm not buying it. Marco was already purchased on the cheap, what's another .2 mil?

I was responding to your post. The 200K bit is irrelevant to that.

[spursince#99]

The guy apparently turns down an offer of 12 M for 2 years, because he is offered half to play for Pop.

Seriously, who thinks he would be making a bid deal about the 6/5.4 difference?

So hypothetically, if we were to offer him the 5.6 to entice him because we knew Neal would bail, then let him weigh his options; would it be right to withdraw that offer and say "no, we're giving you the 5.4 because we'd like to add another piece to the team?" Or better yet, do you think that's how the Spurs run their organization?

[jimo2305]

i like belinelli.. i always have since day 1.. i'm happy he signed with us..

the best way i can put it is.. the splitter/manu contract, while bypassing a high profile FA move really hurt.. but signing bellinelli helped ease the pain alot

[SpursRock20]

If the Spurs don't intent to create cap space, offering him $5.6M over two years isn't much of a different than $5.42M -- yet could help their offer stand out.

We assume that the Spurs have been trying to create that cap space but we don't know if that's actually the plan.
I can see how that could be a possibility but I really hope that is not the case. Marco was already willing to sacrifice money and seemed to have San Antonio in his sights. I don't think it would be too hard to tell him that we have to cut your salary by another .2 million to bring in another FA (potentially international).

[pad300]

Just to add a little positive note to all the doom and gloom,

Dunleavy was signed by Chi for the room exception (the mini MLE : http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/mike-dunleavy-decides-to-sign-with-bulls-b9945271z1-213925711.html ), and it was reported as 2yrs/$6M (Dunleavy Agrees To Two-Year, $6M Deal With Bulls : http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/228537/Dunleavy-Agrees-To-Two-Year-$6M-Deal-With-Bulls).

I suspect it is being planned as the room exception. It may become the MLE if things don't pan out with whatever other free agents they are pursuing...

[temujin]

Beli has made a lot of money, broadly speaking, already in his 6 years in the NBA.

People need to relize that beyond a certain amount, let's say 5 M, money isn't a big issue anymore, for an intelligent person.
And Beli stupid is not.

You want to leave a mark as a player.
Few have the possibility to play for Pop, and Duncan and heroe Manu and Parker.

On top of that, he is getting paid a fair amount.

Grande Beli, siamo tutti con te.

[dbestpro]

I really don't think they are going to trade Bonner right now. I think they will keep him around and use him as leverage for a midseason trade when teams are most desperate to shed salary.

[SpursSerb]

When can always do a trade.We have a lot of expiring contracts.

[Chinook]

Who said he ever encouraged him? Don't get me wrong, I think they like him, because he's a great teammate and an excellent 12th man, but they clearly don't see him as more than that. Why else would De Colo and Joseph have been given cracks at being the backup PG, but he wasn't? This despite the fact that everyone had him as Neal's primary competition beforehand.

Joseph hasn't shown flashes of anything offensively, with the exception of intuitive cutting . . . and I'm not sure why so many are pretending otherwise. I've never seen a rotation player with less responsibility in the playoffs.

There is a point and that point is, for depth purposes. Besides, he could still be the long term answer at backup PG; I just think it's highly unlikely his time is now, which doesn't jive with the rest of this team.

They re-signed Mills last season, which is pretty much as much encouragement as you can give someone. They kept him as the 12th man to be offense and energy off the bench. That's pretty much what Neal was doing, except he lacked energy. Mills can't do everything Neal can, but he do enough of the same things to get a consistent role.

Joseph has shown flashes of being a good offensive player. His regular-season run when Parker was injured was full of them. Literally, the only thing holding him back from being a staple in the rotation is himself.

Depth for depth's sake is a good thing when you have vets on the bench like Kerr and Steve Smith. But it doesn't help to have young players who sit on the bench for years and get leap-frogged by free agents when a spot opens up. The team has reached their former glory because Pop went with younger players like Green and Leonard instead of retreads like Bogans and MyDyess. I feel it's a mistake to break away from that mentality.

[Mel_13]

Just to add a little positive note to all the doom and gloom,

Dunleavy was signed by Chi for the room exception (the mini MLE : http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/mike-dunleavy-decides-to-sign-with-bulls-b9945271z1-213925711.html ), and it was reported as 2yrs/$6M (Dunleavy Agrees To Two-Year, $6M Deal With Bulls : http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/228537/Dunleavy-Agrees-To-Two-Year-$6M-Deal-With-Bulls).

I suspect it is being planned as the room exception. It may become the MLE if things don't pan out with whatever other free agents they are pursuing...

Chicago is way over the cap. Dunleavy was signed with the mini-MLE.

[SpursRock20]

I was responding to your post. The 200K bit is irrelevant to that.
The 200k is integral to the rest of free agency. In replacing Neal, I'm hoping the Spurs did not have a slip up over chump change. If Belinelli isn't willing to go any lower (I doubt it), they should have looked elsewhere. This could all be conjecture anyway.

[spursince#99]

We don't really know the scenarios nor do we know the intent of the organization. The Red Rocket is here to stay you guys. :lmao

[Kidd K]

So instead of Gary Neal, we now have the white Gary Neal.

What a great offseason.

[spurtech09]

i like belinelli.. i always have since day 1.. i'm happy he signed with us..

the best way i can put it is.. the splitter/manu contract, while bypassing a high profile FA move really hurt.. but signing bellinelli helped ease the pain alotagree:toast

[Obstructed_View]

Yay we got Rocky on our team. I wish him the best of luck. Hopefully he can translate to Manu in Italian to stop turning the ball over. Belinelli is going to get all the open looks in the world with Pop''s system. Hopefully Kahwi can give him some tips on defense. I liked what I saw from this kid against the cHeat. He is not afraid to shoot the ball.

ahttp://www.ology.com/bundles/ologysocial/up/img/post/prost_4f8ee0735a9584.72994800.png (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=pu-9i1kUs-DwkM&tbnid=KLmVlLu3DaYKPM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ology.com%2Fpost%2F70077%2F10-more-sports-figures-that-look-like-celebrities-fictional-characters-and-other-strange-creatures&ei=seXVUY_eF9CoqwHwl4D4CQ&bvm=bv.48705608,d.aWM&psig=AFQjCNFHrfes15cu_t-Bn4Phzw-ZjD5Tsg&ust=1373058848386495)


http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Leon_bf7899_666936.jpg

[objective]

Chicago is way over the cap. Dunleavy was signed with the mini-MLE.

Exactly.

And if the Spurs were going to waste the MLE, I think I would take Dunleavy at 2/6 over Belinelli at 2/5.6.

[benefactor]

If the Spurs don't intent to create cap space, offering him $5.6M over two years isn't much of a different than $5.42M -- yet could help their offer stand out.

We assume that the Spurs have been trying to create that cap space but we don't know if that's actually the plan.
RC himself spoke of wanting flexibility when he said the Spurs were leaving Jean-Charles overseas. One would think he would have the same mindset here.

[temujin]

So hypothetically, if we were to offer him the 5.6 to entice him because we knew Neal would bail, then let him weigh his options; would it be right to withdraw that offer and say "no, we're giving you the 5.4 because we'd like to add another piece to the team?" Or better yet, do you think that's how the Spurs run their organization?

That's not the way I think things went.
Pop likes the guy (or he would even be considered).
He might have asked Messina already.
he asks Manu how' he personally.
manu says he is a great kid with the right attitude.
Agent is contacted, talks to Beli and he is more than happy.
Agent says you will make half of what you would make in Cleveland.
Beli goes no way I play in Clevaland if Pop wants me. Work out the details.

[spursince#99]

I really don't think they are going to trade Bonner right now. I think they will keep him around and use him as leverage for a midseason trade when teams are most desperate to shed salary.

The board isn't willing to wait that long. :lol

[Mel_13]

The team has reached their former glory because Pop went with younger players like Green and Leonard instead of retreads like Bogans and MyDyess. I feel it's a mistake to break away from that mentality.

I don't see Belinelli as analogous to Bogans and Dice. Especially when compared with Mills who is only 2 years younger.

[HI-FI]

i'm excited as shit he's here. great roleplayer, can pick up some of the slack that Manu can't anymore. I almost feel bad we got him for so cheap (comparatively), but he must really want to play with us and not go to Cleveland.

[spursince#99]

That's not the way I think things went.
Pop likes the guy (or he would even be considered).
he asks Manu how' he personally.
manu says he is a great kid with the right attitude.
Agent is contacted, tals to Beli and he more than happy.
Agent says you will make half of you would in Cleveland.
Beli goes no way I ply in Clevaland if Pop wants me. Work out the details.


No sir. Learn how to spell and correctly form a sentence too, btw. :lmao

[TE]

I'm not opposed to the trade but the Spurs have glaring holes that have gone, up to this point, unfilled.

[Mel_13]

The 200k is integral to the rest of free agency. In replacing Neal, I'm hoping the Spurs did not have a slip up over chump change. If Belinelli isn't willing to go any lower (I doubt it), they should have looked elsewhere. This could all be conjecture anyway.

Come on. If the Spurs have a plan to create cap space, they're not going to blow it over 200K in an offer to Marco Belinelli.

[temujin]

No sir. Learn how to spell and correctly form a sentence too, btw. :lmao

You really want to go into a argument about my spelling?
In this forum?

[spursince#99]

The 200k is integral to the rest of free agency. In replacing Neal, I'm hoping the Spurs did not have a slip up over chump change. If Belinelli isn't willing to go any lower (I doubt it), they should have looked elsewhere. This could all be conjecture anyway.

A slip up over chump change? :stfu:idiot

[spursince#99]

You really want to go into a argument about my spelling?
In this forum?

*an argument. :wakeup

[SpursRock20]

Come on. If the Spurs have a plan to create cap space, they're not going to blow it over 200K in an offer to Marco Belinelli.
True. I'm probably just overreacting. But there is a good chance we are bringing Bonner back, so anything is possible :bang

[Leetonidas]

A slip up over chump change? :stfu:idiot

Yeah, because that 200K difference in the room exception and MLE is huge in terms of getting someone like Kirilenko :rolleyes

[spursince#99]

Yeah, because that 200K difference in the room exception and MLE is huge in terms of getting someone like Kirilenko :rolleyes


:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Budkin]

Does someone have a decent link that explains NBA salaries and team financials? I've never taken the time to understand things like Veteran minimum, LLE, MLE, and room exceptions. Time for me to learn.

[DynastySpurs210]

I like this guy!! Good job RC

[Leetonidas]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

dumbfuck

[spursince#99]

dumbfuck


Reread what you said. You're the actual dumb fuck, you clown.

[HI-FI]

Does someone have a decent link that explains NBA salaries and team financials? I've never taken the time to understand things like Veteran minimum, LLE, MLE, and room exceptions. Time for me to learn.

this. i'd actually like to get smarter with this as well. help me out in 2k13 I saidddddddd.

[temujin]

dumbfuck

As mentioned above, he thinks he knows more about the CBA than Bruno.

KBP league.

[SpursRock20]

A slip up over chump change? :stfu:idiot
Based on the preliminary reports of the contract, it happened. Hopefully didn't but we will see.

[Mel_13]

Does someone have a decent link that explains NBA salaries and team financials? I've never taken the time to understand things like Veteran minimum, LLE, MLE, and room exceptions. Time for me to learn.

The definitive source:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[timvp]

Does someone have a decent link that explains NBA salaries and team financials? I've never taken the time to understand things like Veteran minimum, LLE, MLE, and room exceptions. Time for me to learn.

cbafaq.com

[Chinook]

I don't see Belinelli as analogous to Bogans and Dice. Especially when compared with Mills who is only 2 years younger.

I see it as analogous in the sense that Pop would be putting in a player he's had time to work with and who grew in the system rather than a guy who's supposed to be ready-made. Internal improvement will probably end up being the biggest determiner in how far the Spurs go next season.

[T Park]

Calling him "another Gary Neal" is so disingenuous it's not even fair. Bellinelli is a better player. Leaps and bounds.

Hell the Nets were going after him after getting shut out on Korver.

[elemento]

Does someone have a decent link that explains NBA salaries and team financials? I've never taken the time to understand things like Veteran minimum, LLE, MLE, and room exceptions. Time for me to learn.

Larry Coon FAQ

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[milkyway21]

I like this signing. He is a good perimeter defender than Neal so if Neal has offers somewhere that the Spurs cannot match this one is a good option.

averaging an almost 10 pts a game, @ 40% FG & 36% from the arc.
He was really good in that Heat vs Chicago in the playoffs.

and vs BKN in the 1st rnd ( game 7 May 19, 2013) : Marco Stats: 24 pts, 8-14 FGM-A, 3-6 3PTM-A, 5-5 FTM-A, 6 REBS, 2 AST :tu

They say he actually received higher offers from other teams but wants to join the Spurs' international roster.

[TheGreatYacht]

:rollinAll these Spurs fans breaking their heads and trying to figure out numbers on how the FO can acquire AK47 or some other impact FA when all that was necessary was for Manu to take less $$$. Splitter is younger and has never earned big $$$ so he is excused. But Manu? He was supposed to be the savior. He was the one who is supposed to willingly sacrifice $$$ to try to give back Timmy his 5th ring that Manu handed to the Heat. :lol

[ElNono]

Does someone have a decent link that explains NBA salaries and team financials? I've never taken the time to understand things like Veteran minimum, LLE, MLE, and room exceptions. Time for me to learn.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[TE]

Does someone have a decent link that explains NBA salaries and team financials? I've never taken the time to understand things like Veteran minimum, LLE, MLE, and room exceptions. Time for me to learn.

:lol I'm in the same boat. I don't want to engage in talking deals because I'd be talking out of my ass. Bruno should make a stickied thread in the Think Tank with all the basics regarding deals.

[TE]

Fvuck that's a lot of reading. BRB

[spursince#99]

As mentioned above, he thinks he knows more about the CBA than Bruno.

KBP league.


I said that? Where? I'll wait while you misconstrue what was really said, sprinkled in with your own little preschool grammar and spelling. :lmao

[timvp]

Calling him "another Gary Neal" is so disingenuous it's not even fair. Bellinelli is a better player. Leaps and bounds.

:lol Be prepared to be disappointed.

[ElNono]

Benvenutto Belli!!!

[SpursRock20]

:rollinAll these Spurs fans breaking their heads and trying to figure out numbers on how the FO can acquire AK47 or some other impact FA when all that was necessary was for Manu to take less $$$. Splitter is younger and has never earned big $$$ so he is excused. But Manu? He was supposed to be the savior. He was the one who is supposed to willingly sacrifice $$$ to try to give back Timmy his 5th ring that Manu handed to the Heat. :lol
We get it. You hate Manu.

[spursince#99]

:rollinAll these Spurs fans breaking their heads and trying to figure out numbers on how the FO can acquire AK47 or some other impact FA when all that was necessary was for Manu to take less $$$. Splitter is younger and has never earned big $$$ so he is excused. But Manu? He was supposed to be the savior. He was the one who is supposed to willingly sacrifice $$$ to try to give back Timmy his 5th ring that Manu handed to the Heat. :lol


Damn, the goods. :lmao

[Bruno]

What could hint towards Spurs taking the cap space road is the following:
- They pick a first round pick that will be stashed in Europe and so will save them cap space.
- They hurry up to solve Splitter and Ginobili situation which was necessary to do if you want to use cap space

[Mel_13]

I see it as analogous in the sense that Pop would be putting in a player he's had time to work with and who grew in the system rather than a guy who's supposed to be ready-made. Internal improvement will probably end up being the biggest determiner in how far the Spurs go next season.

We'll have to disagree on the first part with respect to Mills/Belinelli.

I agree with your take about internal improvement in general, but I don't believe that Mills is a player that will have an an effect on the team's chances. In my mind, he is what he is, a deep bench player.

[HarlemHeat37]

I like this signing. He is a very good perimeter defender so if Neal has offers somewhere that the Spurs cannot match this one is a good option.

averaging an almost 10 pts a game, @ 40% FG & 36% from the arc.
He was really good in that Heat vs Chicago in the playoffs.

and vs BKN in the 1st rnd ( game 7 May 19, 2013) : Marco Stats: 24 pts, 8-14 FGM-A, 3-6 3PTM-A, 5-5 FTM-A, 6 REBS, 2 AST :tu

They say he actually received higher offers from other teams but wants to join the Spurs' international roster.

He's actually a terrible perimeter defender, tbh..

[timvp]

What could hint towards Spurs taking the cap space road is the following:
- They pick a first round pick that will be stashed in Europe and so will save them cap space.
- They hurry up to solve Splitter and Ginobili situation which was necessary to do if you want to use cap space

prayingdog.jpg

[CGD]

The Spurs aren't paying him 6M a year. They're paying him 6M over 2 years. The Cavs offered him 12M for 2 years, hence double.

Yup you're right. I gaffed on the numbers. For a minute there I thought the Cavs offer was 12M a year, and then I realized how ludicrous that would have been.
#owningmybullshit.

[milkyway21]

Calling him "another Gary Neal" is so disingenuous it's not even fair. Bellinelli is a better player. Leaps and bounds.

Hell the Nets were going after him after getting shut out on Korver.

yeah right.

[Mel_13]

The definitive source:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm


cbafaq.com


Larry Coon FAQ

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm


http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

Definitive and unanimous.

[TE]

He's actually a terrible perimeter defender, tbh..

I haven't checked the defensive metrics but I'm assuming you're making this assessment based on that and an eye test (you probably watch Eastern conference basketball more than anybody here).

[objective]

:lol Be prepared to be disappointed.

Pretty much.

If people would read Bulls forums, there are plenty of people, even a majority perhaps, glad to see him replaced by Dunleavy. Belinelli is ripped on for terrible finishing, lack of playmaking, passing on open looks, taking horrible fadeaways, and all the other complaints people have about role players. The only thing he really gets credit for is hitting clutch shots sometimes . . . just like Neal.

[TD 21]

They re-signed Mills last season, which is pretty much as much encouragement as you can give someone. They kept him as the 12th man to be offense and energy off the bench. That's pretty much what Neal was doing, except he lacked energy. Mills can't do everything Neal can, but he do enough of the same things to get a consistent role.

Joseph has shown flashes of being a good offensive player. His regular-season run when Parker was injured was full of them. Literally, the only thing holding him back from being a staple in the rotation is himself.

Depth for depth's sake is a good thing when you have vets on the bench like Kerr and Steve Smith. But it doesn't help to have young players who sit on the bench for years and get leap-frogged by free agents when a spot opens up. The team has reached their former glory because Pop went with younger players like Green and Leonard instead of retreads like Bogans and MyDyess. I feel it's a mistake to break away from that mentality.

They needed the depth, because they didn't yet (and still don't) know whether Joseph and De Colo are legit NBA players or fringe players.

He's not good enough to be a rotation player for a championship caliber team. Again, maybe he will be down the line, but right now he's not and I don't see that changing by next season.

In general, I agree with you. But in this specific situation, you have to ask yourself what's more important: The development of two minimal prospects or trying to win a championship (with only two shots left at it)? Leonard and Green are poor examples since it was obvious immediately in both cases that they could be instant contributors.

[Seventyniner]

Is it possible that the deal is exactly half the MLE?

[Mel_13]

Is it possible that the deal is exactly half the MLE?

I had the same thought.

[HarlemHeat37]

I haven't checked the defensive metrics but I'm assuming you're making this assessment based on that and an eye test (you probably watch Eastern conference basketball more than anybody here).

His defensive metrics are horrible, and eye test confirms..I went to plenty of Raptors games when he played for them, too..

He's one of the worst perimeter defenders in the league, although he's better than Neal, like I said earlier..

[Bruno]

Aside of the room exception or part of the MLE dilemma, I do like Belinelli. He is a just a good basketball player. $6M/2 years is a very reasonable contract.

In addition of not keeping Neal, Spurs should also really get rid one way or another of De Colo. He will be buried behind a glut of guards, will never play, won't be happy and will whine.

[spursince#99]

I think a lot of you will be surprised by what Belinelli brings to the table. That could go either way, tbqh.

[objective]

Hopefully Ferry or Lindsay absorb Nando for free.

[Mel_13]

Aside of the room exception or part of the MLE dilemma, I do like Belinelli. He is a just a good basketball player. $6M/2 years is a very reasonable contract.

In addition of not keeping Neal, Spurs should also really get rid one way or another of De Colo. He will be buried behind a glut of guards, will never play, won't be happy and will whine.

I wonder if Ferry and Bud would be interested.

[Chinook]

We'll have to disagree on the first part with respect to Mills/Belinelli.

I agree with your take about internal improvement in general, but I don't believe that Mills is a player that will have an an effect on the team's chances. In my mind, he is what he is, a deep bench player.

I guess. TD 21 agrees with you on that.

But it's not even so much Mills as it is the rotation that's going to come for this. Either Ginobili or Green will be a three most of the time (which is possible but undesirable in my opinion) or one of the two-guards is going to play as a backup point-guard. I sort of understood playing Neal at the one when Ginobili was firmly established as the bench's play-maker. But now that he seems to need help, I'd rather have a legitimate point-guard prospect next to him. I don't want to see Belinelli push Joseph and De Colo out of the rotation.

[Mel_13]

I guess. TD 21 agrees with you on that.

But it's not even so much Mills as it is the rotation that's going to come for this. Either Ginobili or Green will be a three most of the time (which is possible but undesirable in my opinion) or one of the two-guards is going to play as a backup point-guard. I sort of understood playing Neal at the one when Ginobili was firmly established as the bench's play-maker. But now that he seems to need help, I'd rather have a legitimate point-guard prospect next to him. I don't want to see Belinelli push Joseph and De Colo out of the rotation.

I agree on Joseph. IMO, this move means that Nando has to be traded.

[kobyz]

To you all! Don't have no doubt about it, Neal is the better player between the two! much better shooter and better winner, it's ugly to see how some of you give him bad name, don't appreciate him right and not understand what good character he was for the spurs... Belli is maybe more hyped and flashy player but not as quality as Neal, not a pure shooter like him and not great attitude like him, on his national team he even gain name of a quitter.

[Budkin]

cbafaq.com

Thanks everyone. Obviously this is the place to go. :tu

[Leetonidas]

Reread what you said. You're the actual dumb fuck, you clown.


lol fucking retard :lol

room exception = 5.4 for 2 years
if he took 5.6 it means they used part of the MLE and won't likely be able to get Kirilenko with it.


dumbass

[TheGreatYacht]

To you all! Don't have no doubt about it, Neal is the better player between the two! much better shooter and better winner, it's ugly to see how some of you give him bad name, don't appreciate him right and not understand what good character he was for the spurs... Belli is maybe more hyped and flashy player but not as quality as Neal, not a pure shooter like him and not great attitude like him, on his national team he even gain name of a quitter.All you Spurs fans that were hating on my boy Gary Neal throughout the playoffs because of his defense and shot selection, well you got your wishes handled to you. "You don't know what you have until you lose it." I've seen people hate on Danny Green yet he's making half the $$$ that Redick, Kevin Martin, and Kyle Korver are. But you'll are ok with Manu getting over paid when he's way past his prime? Shame on you.

[Drom John]

We are one Ginoboli injury away from using de Colo.

[Bruno]

I wonder if Ferry and Bud would be interested.

I'm more betting on Utah and Lindsey.

hawks have a lot of guards with Jeff Teague, Lou Williams, John Jenkins and Dennis Schröder.

[objective]

So far, would it be safe to say that this would be the cheapest Spurs team in many years?

Going by total or by % over the cap, Holt has to be loving this. Finals run of full 7 games for all that revenue, but not having to spend any money on rings or a parade. Followed up by a cheap free agency and no amnesty.

Sweet.

[Texas_Ranger]

Aside of the room exception or part of the MLE dilemma, I do like Belinelli. He is a just a good basketball player. $6M/2 years is a very reasonable contract.

In addition of not keeping Neal, Spurs should also really get rid one way or another of De Colo. He will be buried behind a glut of guards, will never play, won't be happy and will whine.

If De Colo is traded, let's say for a draft pick, do we clear some cap?

[timvp]

$6M/2 years is a very reasonable contract.

What's strange is that Belinelli signed for $2M last year with the Bulls. Then his stats drop from the previous year ... yet he lands a contract almost triple as large.

Weird.

I don't think this contract for Belinelli is bad or good. It's not bad because you have to compare it to contracts players like Redick and Korver landed. But it's not good because coming into the offseason, the room exception is the absolute ceiling I would have projected him of getting.

[spursince#99]

Hopefully we get rid of all the scrub point guards getting front row seats at the game for free. Actually, we're paying them, what a shame. In all seriousness, De Colo has to go. I can no longer tolerate his presence around the team. He's officially a cancer.

[Bruno]

If De Colo is traded, let's say for a draft pick, do we clear some cap?

Yes, "we" do save about $1M (his salary minus a roster cap hold).

[Spurs9]

Woo hoo

[kobyz]

Belli is not Gary Neal level, as a player he is much closer to roger mason, a little more athletic.

[TE]

All you Spurs fans that were hating on my boy Gary Neal throughout the playoffs because of his defense and shot selection, well you got your wishes handled to you. "You don't know what you have until you lose it." I've seen people hate on Danny Green yet he's making half the $$$ that Redick, Kevin Martin, and Kyle Korver are. But you'll are ok with Manu getting over paid when he's way past his prime? Shame on you.
:lol you love the role of forum contrarian tbh. Keep it going, you're making a name for yourself.

[Mel_13]

I'm more betting on Utah and Lindsey.

hawks have a lot of guards with Jeff Teague, Lou Williams, John Jenkins and Dennis Schröder.

Makes sense.

[spursince#99]

lol fucking retard :lol


Okay dude that's been over. It's way too many people viewing this thread so just stop before you make me look bad.

[Chinook]

They needed the depth, because they didn't yet (and still don't) know whether Joseph and De Colo are legit NBA players or fringe players.

He's not good enough to be a rotation player for a championship caliber team. Again, maybe he will be down the line, but right now he's not and I don't see that changing by next season.

In general, I agree with you. But in this specific situation, you have to ask yourself what's more important: The development of two minimal prospects or trying to win a championship (with only two shots left at it)? Leonard and Green are poor examples since it was obvious immediately in both cases that they could be instant contributors.

Joseph's been a pretty good contributor outside of the Finals. He was scrappy and played hard. During the regular season, he was very good at getting his own shot and converting his attempts. And that was just with a couple of weeks with the big club. If he gets Pop's blessing, I think he'll be more consistent next season.

As I said before, I feel that the Spurs returned to contending status in large part because they stopped trying to prop the window open with stop-gaps. Getting Joseph to play the way it seems like he can consistently would pay a lot more dividends than bringing in a vet to replace him.

[polandprzem]

Spurs did not got better and I'm still waiting for a miracle after the Tiago and manu damn signings

[Leetonidas]

Okay dude that's been over. It's way too many people viewing this thread so just stop before you make me look bad.

room exception = 5.4 mil
5.6 mil = not room exception

do you get it now?


For Kirilenko, it depends if Belinelli is signed with the room exception ($5.4M/2 years) or a part of the MLE. If it's a part of the MLE, Kirilenko won't be a Spur. If it's the room exception, it likely means Spurs will still add a quality free agent with Kirilenko being the most logical one.

just trying to help the greys. bruno knows his shit

edit: :cry i dont want to make you look bad :cry

[Nathan89]

Even if you think Belinelli and Neal are close the willingness to accept half of what Cavs offered shows hunger for winning that many players in the NBA don't have.

[manufan10]

Okay dude that's been over. It's way too many people viewing this thread so just stop before you make me look bad.

:lmao

[objective]

I can't believe the Spurs are blowing a big chunk of their MLE on a 6'5" Italian Neal. When they could just match on Neal and still have the MLE.

[dbestpro]

What's strange is that Belinelli signed for $2M last year with the Bulls. Then his stats drop from the previous year ... yet he lands a contract almost triple as large.

Weird.


I think many are under estimating how well he improved on defense. You just don't get to play in Chicago if you do not play defense, His ability to shoot was always there. His ability to play decent defense is new, and has made him quite a bit more valuable. Thus the reason Cleveland was willing to pay so much.

[HI-FI]

Definitive and unanimous.

thanks as well for those who posted it. i've been meaning to learn more about the ins and outs of the CBA.

[Baam]

Joseph's been a pretty good contributor outside of the Finals. He was scrappy and played hard. During the regular season, he was very good at getting his own shot and converting his attempts. And that was just with a couple of weeks with the big club. If he gets Pop's blessing, I think he'll be more consistent next season.

As I said before, I feel that the Spurs returned to contending status in large part because they stopped trying to prop the window open with stop-gaps. Getting Joseph to play the way it seems like he can consistently would pay a lot more dividends than bringing in a vet to replace him.

Boris was huge also, once he got here we went on that 20 games winning streak, it's not only young guys that turned the team around... If we're getting Kirilenko that'd be incredible as well...

[jestersmash]

I wonder if Belinelli's inside knowledge on Thibodeau's defensive schemes will come in handy for us.

[TheWriter]

I can't believe the Spurs are blowing a big chunk of their MLE on a 6'5" Italian Neal. When they could just match on Neal and still have the MLE.

You can't believe it? That's because it hasn't even been confirmed the source of the salary. Stop jumping the gun.

[TheGreatYacht]

I can't believe the Spurs are blowing a big chunk of their MLE on a 6'5" Italian Neal. When they could just match on Neal and still have the MLE.Or Manu could have just taken the veteran's minimum. No use in tormenting yourself anymore buddy. Manu fuc*ed the Spurs once again.

[objective]

Cleveland was willing to spend because they have to spend a lot to get to the salary floor. If that report was even true, the overseas media could have been played with an exaggerated number.

And Belinelli taking less because of his hunger is great. Neal had a lot of hunger turning his back on more money in Europe to get his first shot with the Spurs too.

Doesn't change the roster enough though. Another small 2-guard.

[T Park]

I think many are under estimating how well he improved on defense. You just don't get to play in Chicago if you do not play defense, His ability to shoot was always there. His ability to play decent defense is new, and has made him quite a bit more valuable. Thus the reason Cleveland was willing to pay so much.

Exactly. Plus dude put dagger after dagger into Miami, Chicago just didn't have enough.

Belli was pretty damn good vs Miami.

[milkyway21]

I think the Spurs FA is not over yet.

AK47, is he still possible ?

[timvp]

I should clarify on the Neal comparison: If you're comparing Belinelli to the plantar fasciitis+calf strain+achilles tendinitis Neal that we saw a majority of last season, then yeah Belinelli is better. But if you're comparing Belinelli to the Neal of his first two seasons and the Neal that began last year, Neal is probably better. Belinelli has room to improve (Neal doesn't) so maybe Belinelli can surpass what a healthy Neal could provide but it's far from a lock.

[T Park]

yeah right.


He is.

[Chinook]

Boris was huge also, once he got here we went on that 20 games winning streak, it's not only young guys that turned the team around... If we're getting Kirilenko that'd be incredible as well...

Well, yeah. Getting vets to fill holes in the roster is one thing. Getting them over moving younger players up in the rotation is another.

[milkyway21]

Exactly. Plus dude put dagger after dagger into Miami, Chicago just didn't have enough.

Belli was pretty damn good vs Miami.

he really was good against Miami. He & Noah.

game 6 vs Miami

Playing for demanding Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau, however, Belinelli has showed he can play defense as well as be effective at the point.

Belinelli had a game-high 22 points but also tied a career high with seven assists, most of those on pick-and-rolls.