Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)

[Texas_Ranger]

With the 20M they had they could at least improve a bit. Replacing Neal with Belinelli, signing a 5/6th big, not getting a backup SF and PG is not really good. And with Manu and Tim being really old it also doesn't help. I hope they have something in store that could surprise us.

[DPG21920]

We added a young lanky pf, who more than likely is an improvement over Blair, and will also more than likely help man the ship when Pop babies Duncan and/or Tiago next season. Having decent players on the bench can help us win a few more games, which could possible mean a 1 seed, which is a major factor of us losing in the finals.

I'm more worried about the Marco signing than this.

Blair, for all his short comings, started and played productive minutes on a playoff team at the PF position. Pendergraph may develop, but he is not just some rookie. He's been in the league and not stuck with a team and not produced anywhere near what Blair has already shown. He perhaps could blossom in the right situation, but I just don't see how you can say he is likely an improvement over Blair unless you mean over the Blair who's knees got worse over the last year seemingly.

[Darius McCrary]

I love Blair, i will miss him, but if yall seriously think a 6'10", lanky, decently athletic 26 yr old PF isn't an "improvement" yall delusional. Blair could hardly dunk anymore, this guy has potential to rebounds and DEFEND, in a way poor Blair just couldn't do anymore. If he has hands to catch off of pick and rolls, then it's even more an improvement.

[timtonymanu]

Interesting.

Pendergraph was fun to watch in Portland (before he blew his knee, typical Blazers).

He's an upgrade over Blair. Good move.

[Darius McCrary]

Blair, for all his short comings, started and played productive minutes on a playoff team at the PF position. Pendergraph may develop, but he is not just some rookie. He's been in the league and not stuck with a team and not produced anywhere near what Blair has already shown. He perhaps could blossom in the right situation, but I just don't see how you can say he is likely an improvement over Blair unless you mean over the Blair who's knees got worse over the last year seemingly.

???? I'm not talking about Blair in a vacuum I'm taking about his reality. The poor kid doesn't have it anymore. In a perfect world Blair continued to improve but the reality was different.

[Mel_13]

With their current roster, it's obvious they will play a lot of 3 guards lineup but it doesn't change that it makes no sense to have a SG as main addition of the summer.

That's quite a bit different take than the one I responded to.

As to this take, it's true that it may not make sense to us at this point in the offseason. It's still a long time until opening night.

[playblair]

Blair, for all his short comings, started and played productive minutes on a playoff team at the PF position. Pendergraph may develop, but he is not just some rookie. He's been in the league and not stuck with a team and not produced anywhere near what Blair has already shown. He perhaps could blossom in the right situation, but I just don't see how you can say he is likely an improvement over Blair unless you mean over the Blair who's knees got worse over the last year seemingly.

:toast

bonner replacement ................... re-sign blair ....................... big rotation of duncan/splitter/diaw/blair/baynes/pendergraph = legit ..............

[DesignatedT]

He seems happy to be here... Happy enough to take min? :lol

Jeff Pendergraph ‏@TheRealJP31 (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31)9m (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31/status/353584606177529857)
Can anybody create an avatar 4 me?? Would love to see myself in a Spurs uniform.


Jeff Pendergraph ‏@TheRealJP31 (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31)50m (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31/status/353574467101917185)
So Tim Duncan isn't on Twitter???


Jeff Pendergraph ‏@TheRealJP31 (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31)53m (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31/status/353573704728449024)
Wanna see myself in a Spurs shirt. Send me pics Spurs fans!!!!


Is that his real twitter acct? lol

[objective]

I doubt McDonald is of a clear-mind to do proper investigating.

[Texas_Ranger]

if thats his twitter he sounds rellay hyped. :rollin

[CGD]

Starting to think the Spurs were really looking to Bertans to come over this summer before his injury to backup the SF.

[Mel_13]

Blair, for all his short comings, started and played productive minutes on a playoff team at the PF position. Pendergraph may develop, but he is not just some rookie. He's been in the league and not stuck with a team and not produced anywhere near what Blair has already shown. He perhaps could blossom in the right situation, but I just don't see how you can say he is likely an improvement over Blair unless you mean over the Blair who's knees got worse over the last year seemingly.

If we're going to attempt any logical comparison, it has to be with the diminished Blair we saw last season. He's not going to grow new ACLs.

[marinoman]

He seems happy to be here... Happy enough to take min? :lol

Jeff Pendergraph ‏@TheRealJP31 (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31)9m (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31/status/353584606177529857)
Can anybody create an avatar 4 me?? Would love to see myself in a Spurs uniform.


Jeff Pendergraph ‏@TheRealJP31 (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31)50m (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31/status/353574467101917185)
So Tim Duncan isn't on Twitter???


Jeff Pendergraph ‏@TheRealJP31 (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31)53m (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31/status/353573704728449024)
Wanna see myself in a Spurs shirt. Send me pics Spurs fans!!!!

he only has 96 followers, HOLY SHIT!!! Hes gonna have to wait a while for someone to send him that av

[MeloHype]

:lmao

[-21-]

If they did use part of the MLE for this guy, they should at least give him some minutes.

[TheGreatYacht]

^:lmao at all these Spurs fans in the forums breaking their heads trying to figure out if the Spurs have used the MLE on Belli and Pendergraph. Spurs fans praying they still got a shot and AK47. All of these Spurs fans wouldn't be tormenting themselves had Manu taken less $$$ or retired. So greedy on his part. SMH. :rollin

[marinoman]

Good thing his twitter name is TheRealJP31 (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31)

God knows how many imposters are lurking out there pretending to be him

[Darius McCrary]

The more I think about it, not giving attention towards a backup SF may be a worthwhile gamble. This team was never going to do anything with Kawhi hurt next year anyways. They need to devote the entire offseason towards strengthening those leg muscles surrounding the knee, and get ready to play this kid 40 MPG, easily. This will be the most important offseason of Kawhi's career.
In light of this, I like signing a PF even more.

[ElNono]

The more I think about it, not giving attention towards a backup SF may be a worthwhile gamble. This team was never going to do anything with Kawhi hurt next year anyways. They need to devote the entire offseason towards strengthening those leg muscles surrounding the knee, and get ready to play this kid 40 MPG, easily. This will be the most important offseason of Kawhi's career.
In light of this, I like signing a PF even more.

I agree, and, unless there's an offer they can't pass up, I'm thinking they'll hold off looking for a backup pg until they see CoJo's progression...

[weebo]

Btw when Kawhi gets healthy, he's gonna play 38 to 40 mins a night with plays run through him. Makes a backup SF worthless.

So they looked at who would play minute, replace Neal with a taller, better player, then improve your big man depth.

Not that hard to see.

Maybe so but they still need someone who can come in and match up physically with guys like Durant, Lebron, etc. I can see Manu, Green, Beli and even Diaw playing a few minutes at the SF position. Still, they need someone long enough who can at least give these guys a hand to shoot over.

[Darkwaters]

^:lmao at all these Spurs fans in the forums breaking their heads trying to figure out if the Spurs have used the MLE on Belli and Pendergraph. Spurs fans praying they still got a shot and AK47. All of these Spurs fans wouldn't be tormenting themselves had Manu taken less $$$ or retired. So greedy on his part. SMH. :rollin

I could have sworn you were on my ignore list. Well, I guess I can always correct that.

[weebo]

I agree, and, unless there's an offer they can't pass up, I'm thinking they'll hold off looking for a backup pg until they see CoJo's progression...

Cojo showed enough defensively during the Spur's PO run. If he can come in and show any semblance of running an offense, the back pg spot is there for him.

[Darius McCrary]

I agree, and, unless there's an offer they can't pass up, I'm thinking they'll hold off looking for a backup pg until they see CoJo's progression...

Won't Baynes/DeColo still be moveable assets in any hypothetical trade situation? Or do they make so little it doesn't matter

[Mel_13]

I agree, and, unless there's an offer they can't pass up, I'm thinking they'll hold off looking for a backup pg until they see CoJo's progression...

Absolutely. They have a deadline of Oct 31st to decide whether or not to pick up a 2M team option on CoJo for 2014-15. It's going to be his job to lose.

[dbestpro]

With their current roster, it's obvious they will play a lot of 3 guards lineup but it doesn't change that it makes no sense to have a SG as main addition of the summer.

Danny Green as the roster is currently built is the best option as a backup SF. Maybe the decision has been made to move Manu back to the starting lineup.

[ElNono]

Won't Baynes/DeColo still be moveable assets in any hypothetical trade situation? Or do they make so little it doesn't matter

I think Bonner/DeColo are the trade pieces... IIRC, they add up to about $5m, which means is basically another MLE-value to trade.

But the Spurs don't have to do it now, they can wait until next February and see what they need then.

[TheGreatYacht]

The more I think about it, not giving attention towards a backup SF may be a worthwhile gamble. This team was never going to do anything with Kawhi hurt next year anyways. They need to devote the entire offseason towards strengthening those leg muscles surrounding the knee, and get ready to play this kid 40 MPG, easily. This will be the most important offseason of Kawhi's career.
In light of this, I like signing a PF even more.I like your optimism (masking your defeated attitude IMO), but the truth is that there is no way in hell that Kawhi will ever be able to play 40 MPG with those jumper knees. Kawhi is very fortunate to have a coach like Pop who is a master at managing player minutes. I'm afraid that Kawhi will need to play reduced minutes (37 yr old Tim Duncan type of minutes) throughout his career to be effective. I hope I'm wrong but I'm afraid that I'm correct. http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/jumpers_knee

[bklynspursfan]

Is that his real twitter acct? lol


he only has 96 followers, HOLY SHIT!!! Hes gonna have to wait a while for someone to send him that av

I'm starting to doubt it now :lol The Spurs beat-writers were tweeting him and encouraging Spurs fans to follow him, but now I don't know if it's legit or not

[DesignatedT]

I'm starting to doubt it now :lol The Spurs beat-writers were tweeting him and encouraging Spurs fans to follow him, but now I don't know if it's legit or not

Account was suspended :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

I could have sworn you were on my ignore list. Well, I guess I can always correct that.Like I give a fuc*.

[Mel_13]

I'm starting to doubt it now :lol The Spurs beat-writers were tweeting him and encouraging Spurs fans to follow him, but now I don't know if it's legit or not

Why would someone create a fake Jeff Pendergraph account?

[Mel_13]

Why would someone create a fake Jeff Pendergraph account?

nvm

[ducks]

why would someone go to a school and kill inoncent kids
people do because they lost their kids but that is so stupid

[DesignatedT]

why would someone go to a school and kill inoncent kids
people do because they lost their kids but that is so stupid

:lol

[Mel_13]

why would someone go to a school and kill inoncent kids
people do because they lost their kids but that is so stupid

The World According to ducks, my friends.

[TheWriter]

The World According to ducks, my friends.

Spurs need refuel!

[ducks]

they need ak47 and then drive to 5 will be complete
very international roster
nba should have them on national tv alot very global team

[Capt Bringdown]

2 year contract. I hope he likes sitting on the bench. 2 years not enough time to crack the rotation in Popville, just wouldn't be fair to the team.

[DesignatedT]

2 year contract. I hope he likes sitting on the bench. 2 years not enough time to crack the rotation in Popville.

Diaw cracked it on day 1. Without training camp either.

[Mel_13]

2 year contract. I hope he likes sitting on the bench. 2 years not enough time to crack the rotation in Popville.

Leonard, Green, Neal, Splitter, and Diaw say hi.

[spursince#99]

Man this offseason is so disappointing. Bullshit indeed. We could've easily signed Jarrett Jack with the MLE, then signed Jeff Pendergraph for the minimum, and also signed a capable backup for Kawhi. I have no clue what we're doing right now, but if it doesn't take a turn for the good. I'll be really, really upset.

[dbestpro]

Interesting view.

With a solid 6'10 frame, a 7'1 wingspan, and an impressive vertical (better than Kawhi Leonard's, and also a better 3/4 court sprint), he has all the tools to cover multiple positions.

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2013/7/6/4498828/analyzing-the-jeff-pendergraph-signing-2013-Free-Agency-San-Antonio-Spurs

[Twisted_Dawg]

Jeff Pendergraph ‏@TheRealJP31 (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31)50m (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31/status/353574467101917185)
[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Arial]So Tim Duncan isn't on Twitter???

That boy has a lot to learn about Tim.

[TheGreatYacht]

Man this offseason is so disappointing. Bullshit indeed. We could've easily signed Jarrett Jack with the MLE, then signed Jeff Pendergraph for the minimum, and also signed a capable backup for Kawhi. I have no clue what we're doing right now, but if it doesn't take a turn for the good. I'll be really, really upset.Co-signed. :lmao at all these Spurs fans in the forums breaking their heads trying to figure out if the Spurs have used the MLE on Belli and Pendergraph. Spurs fans praying they still got a shot and AK47. All of these Spurs fans wouldn't be tormenting themselves had Manu taken less $$$ or retired. So greedy on his part. SMH. :rollin

[DesignatedT]

That boy has a lot to learn about Tim.

Was a fake twitter acct.

[Darkwaters]

Interesting view.

With a solid 6'10 frame, a 7'1 wingspan, and an impressive vertical (better than Kawhi Leonard's, and also a better 3/4 court sprint), he has all the tools to cover multiple positions.

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2013/7/6/4498828/analyzing-the-jeff-pendergraph-signing-2013-Free-Agency-San-Antonio-Spurs

Hes blown out his knee since he was drafted. I wonder if that vertical is pre or post draft?

[heyheymymy]

this guy is like a poor mans t-rob imho tbh

[Mel_13]

Co-signed. :lmao at all these Spurs fans in the forums breaking their heads trying to figure out if the Spurs have used the MLE on Belli and Pendergraph. Spurs fans praying they still got a shot and AK47. All of these Spurs fans wouldn't be tormenting themselves had Manu taken less $$$ or retired. So greedy on his part. SMH. :rollin

Copying and pasting the same exact post in multiple threads is classic troll behavior. Yet, you deny being a troll in another thread. This just makes you appear to be a troll without any real commitment or dedication to his craft. A troll without the courage of his convictions is a very weak troll indeed. Time to step up your game or just fade away as so many of your predecessors have.

[Darius McCrary]

I like your optimism (masking your defeated attitude IMO), but the truth is that there is no way in hell that Kawhi will ever be able to play 40 MPG with those jumper knees. Kawhi is very fortunate to have a coach like Pop who is a master at managing player minutes. I'm afraid that Kawhi will need to play reduced minutes (37 yr old Tim Duncan type of minutes) throughout his career to be effective. I hope I'm wrong but I'm afraid that I'm correct. http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/jumpers_knee I am of the personal belief that most knee tendonitis cases in people this young can be rectified by proper muscle conditioning.

[DapDaGenius]

Seems perfect



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_SaMcmgb9s

(Sorry if posted already)

[dallasmaverickslose]

I see frustration in your future, tbh.... :lol

Im a Manu fan :lol if he still plays the point I'll just sit back and enjoy the ride. Lol.

[Budkin]

Does this mean no AK?

[dbestpro]

Seems perfect
)

That is one ugly flop. The Euros on the team will have to teach him better.

[DesignatedT]

Does this mean no AK?

Not necessarily. All depends on the contract details which haven't been released.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Bonner + De Colo for AK47 because I can dream.

[manufan10]

Copying and pasting the same exact post in multiple threads is classic troll behavior. Yet, you deny being a troll in another thread. This just makes you appear to be a troll without any real commitment or dedication to his craft. A troll without the courage of his convictions is a very weak troll indeed. Time to step up your game or just fade away as so many of your predecessors have.

I really do think he is a troll:


I won't even give a shi* by then because my favorite player Tim Duncan will be gone. They can put you as the head coach for all I care. I'll be back though whenever the Spurs win the lottery and draft another legendary championship-type of player.

[apalisoc_9]

I am of the personal belief that most knee tendonitis cases in people this young can be rectified by proper muscle conditioning.

Really hoping for this. Kawhi Looked like he lost a bit of a lift in his jump this season compared to last season.

[Spurs9]

Seems perfect



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_SaMcmgb9s

(Sorry if posted already)
:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Copying and pasting the same exact post in multiple threads is classic troll behavior. Yet, you deny being a troll in another thread. This just makes you appear to be a troll without any real commitment or dedication to his craft. A troll without the courage of his convictions is a very weak troll indeed. Time to step up your game or just fade away as so many of your predecessors have.Step up my game in trolling? Oh trust me, you wouldn't want that. If you really think I'm a troll then SMH. I would get banned if I were to go on troll mode.

[Bruno]

If Spurs are really after Kirilenko, Belinelli for the room exception and Pendergraph for the minimum would make a damn lot of sense.

Spurs would lose Neal and likely another guard like De Colo or Mills, so adding a SG like Belinelli would be logical. With Kirilenko not being a shooter, Belinelli shooting would be more than welcomed.
Pendergraph would be added to compensate Bonner being amnestied.

That's the weirdest about this offseason. While Spurs have done a lot of moves, it's really impossible to say if they have still their biggest move still to do.

[Mel_13]

Step up my game in trolling? Oh trust me, you wouldn't want that. If you really think I'm a troll then SMH. I would get banned if I were to go on troll mode.

Sorry, but your sauce is very weak.

[TheGreatYacht]

I really do think he is a troll:Someone that criticizes the Spurs = Troll

Nice one genius.

[024]

Hopefully the Spurs signed him for just the minimum. He's nothing more than a Blair replacement.

[Libri]

That's the weirdest about this offseason. While Spurs have done a lot of moves, it's really impossible to say if they have still their biggest move still to do.

IIRC, this is the most activity the Spurs have had since a long time. There's actually something to talk about this summer.

[CGD]

If Spurs are really after Kirilenko, Belinelli for the room exception and Pendergraph for the minimum would make a damn lot of sense.

Spurs would lose Neal and likely another guard like De Colo or Mills, so adding a SG like Belinelli would be logical. With Kirilenko not being a shooter, Belinelli shooting would be more than welcomed.
Pendergraph would be added to compensate Bonner being amnestied.

That's the weirdest about this offseason. While Spurs have done a lot of moves, it's really impossible to say if they have still their biggest move still to do.
I asked this above but didn't get a clear answer: in this scenario, if the spurs stay under the cap AND s&t Neal for whatever Neal's new salary would be (minus adjustments for any players send out like Nando), can the FULL TE received in return be applied to AK's deal?

[Darius McCrary]

Really hoping for this. Kawhi Looked like he lost a bit of a lift in his jump this season compared to last season.

I attribute most of that to fatigue, which in a way can be contributed to his overall muscle conditioning.

The great news is that Kawhi knows what it takes to go 82 game season and 4 playoff rounds all the way to a game 7.

Assuming the Spurs staff is half as smart as we believe, they'll have him strengthening those leg muscles pronto.

[Brazil]

:lmao

who?

[Darkwaters]

I asked this above but didn't get a clear answer: in this scenario, if the spurs stay under the cap AND s&t Neal for whatever Neal's new salary would be (minus adjustments for any players send out like Nando), can the TE received in return be applied to AK's deal?

Technically yes. But only if Kirilenko's deal is equal to or less than Neal's deal. So the likelihood of that is basically 0%.

[palangi]

Sorry, but your sauce is very weak.
and tiresome!

[raybies]

If Spurs are really after Kirilenko, Belinelli for the room exception and Pendergraph for the minimum would make a damn lot of sense.

Spurs would lose Neal and likely another guard like De Colo or Mills, so adding a SG like Belinelli would be logical. With Kirilenko not being a shooter, Belinelli shooting would be more than welcomed.
Pendergraph would be added to compensate Bonner being amnestied.

That's the weirdest about this offseason. While Spurs have done a lot of moves, it's really impossible to say if they have still their biggest move still to do.

Who else falls in that 5-7 milliion range besides him?

I think your on to something, but i think the bigger need is a backup pg with Marco and Manu. I would think Jarret Jack or Monta Ellis before AK47. Although no interest has been reported on Jack, Monta there has. Gary to Milwaukee in a sign and trade with others could work. Don't see them dealing with Golden State.
Who knows with Jack though it could just happen like Marco and Jeff. After what happened with Golden State and that abandonment a nice family organization might work for him.;) Years might be the problem though with the FO's desire for 2 year deals.

[TheGreatYacht]

IIRC, this is the most activity the Spurs have had since a long time. There's actually something to talk about this summer.Yeah, I'm sure signing Marco Belinelli, Jeff Pendergraph, and wasting all our cap space to resign Manu and Splitter is A WHOLE LOT to talk about. SMH @ Spurs homers.

[Mel_13]

I asked this above but didn't get a clear answer: in this scenario, if the spurs stay under the cap AND s&t Neal for whatever Neal's new salary would be (minus adjustments for any players send out like Nando), can the TE received in return be applied to AK's deal?

No (except in the unlikely event where AK47's salary is equal or less than the TE generated by trading Neal). TE's can't be combined with other TE's, other exceptions, or cap space. A player acquired in exchange for a TE has to have a salary that fits within the value of the TE plus 100K.

[T Park]

Maybe so but they still need someone who can come in and match up physically with guys like Durant, Lebron, etc. I can see Manu, Green, Beli and even Diaw playing a few minutes at the SF position. Still, they need someone long enough who can at least give these guys a hand to shoot over.

No one like that is available.

[palangi]

No one like that is available.
it would defintiely have to be a trade at this point

[CGD]

Technically yes. But only if Kirilenko's deal is equal to or less than Neal's deal. So the likelihood of that is basically 0%.
I was thinking more of a three team thing or two separate deals. S&t Neal to pistons for example (who have-cap-space btw) generates a 4M TE (plus anything else spurs include like Nando). Then in a separate deal two Minni where Spurs use the TE plus what even cap space they have left after signing either Belli or Pende with capspace.

Damn, under that scenario Holt wouldn't even need to amnesty bonner right?

[CGD]

No (except in the unlikely event where AK47's salary is equal or less than the TE generated by trading Neal). TE's can't be combined with other TE's, other TEs, other exceptions, or cap space. A player acquired in exchange for a TE has to have a salary that fits within the value of the TE plus 100K.

OK I get it now. So whatever the spurs receive in return for Neal is what they are limited to using on another player.

[BackHome]

We added a young lanky pf, who more than likely is an improvement over Blair, and will also more than likely help man the ship when Pop babies Duncan and/or Tiago next season. Having decent players on the bench can help us win a few more games, which could possible mean a 1 seed, which is a major factor of us losing in the finals.

I'm more worried about the Marco signing than this.

I fell better about Marco just for the fact that Manu injuries are starting to catch up to him so we needed insurance.

[td4mvp2k]

I like the touch a lot. This pick-up actually excites me. Spurs can develop talent like no other. Guy has, don't laugh, David West potential.

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Who else falls in that 5-7 milliion range besides him?

I think your on to something, but i think the bigger need is a backup pg with Marco and Manu. I would think Jarret Jack or Monta Ellis before AK47. Although no interest has been reported on Jack, Monta there has. Gary to Milwaukee in a sign and trade with others could work. Don't see them dealing with Golden State.
Who knows with Jack though it could just happen like Marco and Jeff. After what happened with Golden State and that abandonment a nice family organization might work for him.;) Years might be the problem though with the FO's desire for 2 year deals.Jarrett Jack would be nice.

[Mel_13]

OK I get it now. So whatever the spurs receive in return for Neal is what they are limited to using on another player.

Yes. Most of what you may ever want to know about TEs can be found here:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q83

[slick'81]

Never heard of this guy

[tesseractive]

If Spurs are really after Kirilenko, Belinelli for the room exception and Pendergraph for the minimum would make a damn lot of sense.

Spurs would lose Neal and likely another guard like De Colo or Mills, so adding a SG like Belinelli would be logical. With Kirilenko not being a shooter, Belinelli shooting would be more than welcomed.
Pendergraph would be added to compensate Bonner being amnestied.

That's the weirdest about this offseason. While Spurs have done a lot of moves, it's really impossible to say if they have still their biggest move still to do.
And there's no reason it would have to be Kirilenko. Spurs can take back up to $8M salary just for Bonner and DeColo, both of which are expiring contracts. So really, it could be any SF we like. Pendergraph guarantees that we can afford to lose Bonner, and we now have a ridiculous 7 guards on the roster, which is a bizarre way to go into the season.

And if we were willing to put Danny on the trade block, we could take back up to $12M in salary, which opens up a ton of options, and might be an appealing packing for a team that needed shooting.

[TheGreatYacht]

And there's no reason it would have to be Kirilenko. Spurs can take back up to $8M salary just for Bonner and DeColo, both of which are expiring contracts. So really, it could be any SF we like. Pendergraph guarantees that we can afford to lose Bonner, and we now have a ridiculous 7 guards on the roster, which is a bizarre way to go into the season.

And if we were willing to put Danny on the trade block, we could take back up to $12M in salary, which opens up a ton of options, and might be an appealing packing for a team that needed shooting.Nope, FO would never give up Danny Green when we have him at half the price that Kyle Korver, Kevin Martin, and JJ Redick are earning. FO would have to be morons to even think about trading Danny Green, unless it were for a franchise player like Durant or LBJ.

[Hoops Czar]

No to Kirilenko. His defense isn't good and that seems to e huge sticking point with many posters and he's injury prone. The guys missed atleat 15 games in each of his last three seasons. He also doesn't rebound or block shots.

[unforeseen]

This guy has a history of knees problems.

[TD 21]

It might be impossible to tell for sure Bruno, but when timvp alluded to the fact that he got more than the minimum, on a multi-year deal, coming off an ACL injury and having not yet proved himself in the league . . . well, suffice it to say, that doesn't bode well for this being for the minimum either.

If not Kirilenko, they should sign Wesley Johnson. Knowing them though, it'll probably be Gelabale, Ingles, etc.

I'm surprised the Pacers let Pendergraph go, because I remember Vogel raving about how he was their second best mid range shooting big man (after West) late in the season and at that point, he was neck and neck with Mahinmi for backup center minutes. With Hansbrough gone, even if they view Copeland as their backup power forward, it doesn't make sense to not re-sign him for insurance purposes . . . which is all the more reason to think this wasn't for the minimum.

[tesseractive]

Nope, FO would never give up Danny Green when we have him at half the price that Kyle Korver, Kevin Martin, and JJ Redick are earning. FO would have to be morons to even think about trading Danny Green, unless it were for a franchise player like Durant or LBJ.
Their window for winning titles is two more years, so it makes sense to try upgrades, even if they strain the cap. If, say, Portland were willing to part with Batum, it could be worth making the trade. Batum is an upgrade to Green, he can play the 2 in the starting lineup, and he's a completely legit 3 if we want to play smallball -- slide Kawhi over to the 4, start Manu, and you have a really nice smallball squad.

[TheGreatYacht]

No to Kirilenko. His defense isn't good and that seems to e huge sticking point with many posters and he's injury prone. The guys missed atleat 15 games in each of his last three seasons. He also doesn't rebound or block shots.Sure, lets trade Danny Green so that we can acquire Kirilenko. Then we can insert 36 yr old Manu into the starting lineup or Marco B who's an even worst defender than Green. Or we can start Kirilenko at PF and move 38 yr old Duncan to the Center position. I love it!

[slick'81]

Yeah he made what 1.5 boy Ihope spurs didn't split mle with him N belli

[TheGreatYacht]

Their window for winning titles is two more years, so it makes sense to try upgrades, even if they strain the cap. If, say, Portland were willing to part with Batum, it could be worth making the trade. Batum is an upgrade to Green, he can play the 2 in the starting lineup, and he's a completely legit 3 if we want to play smallball -- slide Kawhi over to the 4, start Manu, and you have a really nice smallball squad.The defense? Don't forget that playing Tiago Splitter alongside Tim Duncan is what got us to the NBA finals. Playing small ball would be playing into the hands of GSW, OKC, or the Heat. Playing small ball is what allowed the Heat to win it all even though we were only 28 seconds away from winning it too. The Heat imposed their will on us.

[manufan10]

Someone that criticizes the Spurs = Troll

Nice one genius.

There's plenty of people who criticize the Spurs that I don't call a troll.

You just don't happen to be one of them.

[TheGreatYacht]

There's plenty of people who criticize the Spurs that I don't call a troll.

You just don't happen to be one of them.Oh ok. Wow, you just hurt my feelings. I'm gonna get depressed now.

[tesseractive]

The defense? Don't forget playing Tiago Splitter alongside Tim Duncan is what got us to the NBA finals. Playing small ball would be playing into the hands of GSW, OKC, or the Heat. Playing small ball is what allowed the Heat to win it all even though we were only 28 seconds away from winning it too. The Heat imposed their will on us.
Right, but the base lineup with Batum at the 2 doesn't hurt the defense, and should help the offense. And we play smallball at times to match up with other teams anyway -- so if we're going to play it anyway, we might as well be as good as possible at it.

[Strategic]

Typical McDonald



:lolAnd now the E-N wants people to pay for McDonald's writings.

[objective]

I hope Brandan Wright isn't signed elsewhere for an equal amount. Shouldn't happen, but you never know.

[Bruno]

Regarding Pendergraph potential contract, it's noteworthy that Pacers didn't extend a $1,875,000 qualifying offer to make him a restricted free agent. They didn't think he was worth that much.

[apalisoc_9]

Regarding Pendergraph potential contract, it's noteworthy that Pacers didn't extend a $1,875,000 qualifying offer to make him a restricted free agent. They didn't think he was worth that much.

That's great news. Let's hope the spurs think the same..

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

I like this signing if it's for cheap, Spurs could use an athletic guy like him. He plays solid defense and he's an amazing athlete. He definitely has a lot of work to do, but no doubt the Spurs will make him a much better player. I watched this guy play in person alongside James Harden at Arizona State when they played at Oregon, he works well with the pick and roll and the guy runs the floor incredibly fast! He will help the fast tempo offense a lot. Good pickup.

[Keepin' it real]

I know kawhi is young, but this is way too risky...

Huh? How is it risky to play a young star player big minutes?

[apalisoc_9]

Huh? How is it risky to play a young star player big minutes?

I guess i'm pretty glued with Pop's system as well. I think playing a player less minutes decreases the chances of injury...

[TheGreatYacht]

Huh? How is it risky to play a young star player big minutes?Jumper knees? This is a medical problem that will not go away. This is not knee tendinitis. http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Even-Spurs-youngster-Leonard-happy-about-getting-4526041.php http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/jumpers_knee

[Keepin' it real]

I guess i'm pretty glued with Pop's system as well. I think playing a player less minutes decreases the chances of injury...

LOL Yes you're thinking like Pop. Play Leonard early and often I say. Next years playoffs, I wouldn't mind seeing him play a full 48 like I've seen Durant and other young stars do.

[benfti]

Patty Mills will be happy, they were great mates at Portland

[Hoops Czar]

LOL Yes you're thinking like Pop. Play Leonard early and often I say. Next years playoffs, I wouldn't mind seeing him play a full 48 like I've seen Durant and other young stars do.

Pop doesn't want to run his players into the ground.

[ChumpDumper]

Jumper knees? This is a medical problem that will not go away. This is not knee tendinitis. http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Even-Spurs-youngster-Leonard-happy-about-getting-4526041.php http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/jumpers_kneeYou didn't read your own link.

[palangi]

Regarding Pendergraph potential contract, it's noteworthy that Pacers didn't extend a $1,875,000 qualifying offer to make him a restricted free agent. They didn't think he was worth that much.
or they are full of players of his kind?

hibbert
mahinmi
west
plumlee
hansborough

[AusSpur]

Jumper knees? This is a medical problem that will not go away. This is not knee tendinitis. http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Even-Spurs-youngster-Leonard-happy-about-getting-4526041.php http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/jumpers_knee

Damn his mature skeleton!!

[TheGreatYacht]

You didn't read your own link.I'm smarter than you so of course I did.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm smarter than you so of course I did.Then you know you're wrong.

Ok.

[TheGreatYacht]

Then you know you're wrong.

Ok.I'm not. Why was Kawhi complaining about knee pain throughout the year? Jumper's knee is a childhood defect that WILL NEVER go away. Go read the links you smart as*.

[Interrohater]

I had tendinitis when I was in the Army. Just some twice a week therapy, some sort of sonic wave and massage therapy, and I've been good ever since. I'm sure that he'll be fine next year, as he just wasn't allotted any time to heal during the season.

[TheGreatYacht]

I had tendinitis when I was in the Army. Just some twice a week therapy, some sort of sonic wave and massage therapy, and I've been good ever since. I'm sure that he'll be fine next year, as he just wasn't allotted any time to heal during the season.It's not knee tendinitis.

[RD2191]

I'm smarter than you so of course I did.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not. Why was Kawhi complaining about knee pain throughout the year? Jumper's knee is a childhood defect that WILL NEVER go away. Go read the links you smart as*.The link says nothing about jumper's knee being a childhood defect.

You failed.

[Interrohater]

It's not knee tendinitis.
Your webmd link said that it's jumpers knee, an inflammation of the tendon (tendinitis) that is attached to the joint. It's VERY similar to runner's knee. Even sounds similar, wouldn't you say?

[TheGreatYacht]

Your webmd link said that it's jumpers knee, an inflammation of the tendon (tendinitis) that is attached to the joint. It's VERY similar to runner's knee. Even sounds similar, wouldn't you say?I suppose but the problem is that he'll never be able to average big minutes like a player his age.
History Jumper's knee commonly occurs in athletes involved in jumping sports such as basketball and volleyball. Patients report front side knee pain (http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/knee-pain), often with an aching quality. Symptoms sometimes come on slowly and may not be associated with a specific injury.
Depending on the duration of symptoms, jumper's knee can be classified into 1 of 4 stages:


Stage 1 - Pain only after activity, without functional impairment
Stage 2 - Pain during and after activity, although the patient is still able to perform satisfactorily in his or her sport
Stage 3 - Prolonged pain during and after activity, with increasing difficulty in performing at a satisfactory level
Stage 4 - Complete tendon tear requiring surgical repair

Causes
The cause of jumper's knee remains unclear. Tissue specimens don’t usually show inflammation, which is more commonly seen in a true tendonitis. Since the 1970’s, this has been thought to be more of a tendinosis, which is tendon injury without inflammation. Biomechanical research has shown that a greater mechanical and tension load is borne by the anterior (front-side) fibers of the patellar, or kneecap, tendon, which produces the typical symptoms and physical exam findings.

DIAGNOSIS

The diagnosis of jumper's knee is based on the history and clinical findings. Laboratory tests are rarely needed. They may, though, be considered if other problems, such as infection, could be causing the joint problem.
X-ray imaging is usually not needed, but it could be helpful for making the diagnosis or excluding other potential causes.
Ultrasonography and MRI are both highly sensitive for detecting tendon abnormalities in both symptomatic and asymptomatic athletes.

TREATMENTPhysical TherapyMost patients respond to a conservative management program such as the one suggested below.


Activity modification: Decrease activities that increase kneecap and upper leg pressure (for example, jumping or squatting). Certain "loading exercises may be prescribed.
Cryotherapy: Apply ice for 20 to 30 minutes, 4 to 6 times per day, especially after activity.
Joint motion and kinematics assessment: Hip, knee, and ankle joint range of motion are evaluated.
Stretching: Stretch (1) flexors of the hip and knee (hamstrings, gastrocnemius, iliopsoas, rectus femoris, adductors), (2) extensors of the hip and knee (quadriceps, gluteals), (3) the iliotibial band (a large tendon on the outside of the hip and upper leg), and (4) the surrounding tissues and structures of the kneecap.
Strengthening: Specific exercises are often prescribed.
Other sport specific joint, muscle, and tendon therapies may be prescribed.

Ultrasound or phonophoresis (ultrasound delivered medication) may decrease pain symptoms. A special brace with a cutout for the kneecap and lateral stabilizer or taping may improve patellar tracking and provide stability. Sometimes arch supports or orthotics are used to improve foot and leg stability, which can reduce symptoms and prevent future injury.

[palangi]

do we even know if he has jumpers knee? or is it all speculation?

[Mel_13]

I suppose but the problem is that he'll never be able to average big minutes like a player his age.

Why didn't you copy the part with the prognosis?

[Interrohater]

This is the reason that I think he'll be fine. He just needed some rest and some minor therapy. If it is a chronic injury, then I'm sure he'll learn how to manage it with the help of the trainers.

[benefactor]

And now the E-N wants people to pay for McDonald's writings.
Really? :lol

I haven't been to that site in so long that I didn't know they made it a pay site. That's worse than getting insider on ESPN just to see Chad Ford's mocks.

[TheGreatYacht]

Your webmd link said that it's jumpers knee, an inflammation of the tendon (tendinitis) that is attached to the joint. It's VERY similar to runner's knee. Even sounds similar, wouldn't you say?Try this one: http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/bones/jumpers_knee.html
Jumper's knee — also known as patellar tendonitis or patellar tendinopathy — is an inflammation or injury of the patellar tendon, the cord-like tissue that joins the patella (kneecap) to the tibia (shin bone). Jumper's knee is an overuse injury (when repeated movements cause tissue damage or irritation to a particular area of the body).Constant jumping, landing, and changing direction can cause strains, tears, and damage to the patellar tendon. So kids who regularly play sports that involve a lot of repetitive jumping — like track and field (particularly high-jumping), basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, running, and soccer — can put a lot of strain on their knees.
Jumper's knee can seem like a minor injury that isn't really that serious. Because of this, many athletes keep training and competing and tend to ignore the injury or attempt to treat it themselves. But it's important to know that jumper's knee is a serious condition that can get worse over time and ultimately require surgery. Early medical attention and treatment can help prevent continued damage to the knee.

[Hoops Czar]

I don't care if he has crippled knee's. He'll only be playing in garbage time.

[ChumpDumper]

kidshealth?

You are 12.

[Mel_13]

I don't care if he has crippled knee's. He'll only be playing in garbage time.

Leonard will continue to start.

[milkyway21]

definitely a replacement for Blair.

6'10 can play multiple positions SF/PF, a 7'1 wingspan

He is only 26.

the Spurs are getting younger

[TheGreatYacht]

do we even know if he has jumpers knee? or is it all speculation?
He's the second-youngest Spur, still five weeks shy of his 22nd birthday. But sometimes, Kawhi Leonard (http://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Kawhi+Leonard%22)'s left knee aches like it belongs to Tim Duncan (http://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Tim+Duncan%22).
And Leonard was as relieved as the Spurs' 37-year-old team captain to learn there will be a three-day break between Games 2 and 3 of the Western Conference finals against the Memphis Grizzlies (http://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Memphis+Grizzlies%22).
“It's very important,” said Leonard, coming off a 16-point, 10-assist performance in Thursday's 94-82 victory in the Game 6 West semifinal clincher against the Warriors.
“We'll finally get a chance to just rest our bodies for a little bit, make some pain go away and get some treatment.”
Leonard played through most of the regular season battling left quadriceps tendinitis, a malady known as “jumper's knee.”
Added to coach Gregg Popovich (http://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Gregg+Popovich%22)'s list of players requiring an occasional game off for rest, Leonard's workload has increased during the playoffs. His court time has gone up from an average of 31.2 minutes per game during the regular season to 37.9 per contest in the postseason.
Leonard's production against the Warriors was one of the finest stretches of his two-year career: 14.7 points and 9.1 rebounds per game. He also helped keep Warriors No. 2 scorer Klay Thompson (http://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Klay+Thompson%22) in check after the second-year guard erupted for 34 points in Game 2.
After each game, the second-year forward from San Diego State spends time icing his sore knee, often the last player to leave the locker room.
On off days, Leonard said he limits his activity when he isn't with head trainer Will Sevening (http://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Will+Sevening%22) and assistant trainer Dice Yamaguchi (http://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Dice+Yamaguchi%22).
“I just try to stay off it as much as possible,” Leonard said. “I go in and see Will and Dice and do some stretching and some floor work, but nothing is going to heal it right now unless I get some rest. But that's not going to come for another month, I hope.”
Leonard and Duncan weren't the only Spurs players thrilled about the layoff.
After acknowledging fatigue had been a factor in his 3-for-16 shooting in Game 6, point guard Tony Parker (http://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Tony+Parker%22) stressed the effect of having closed out the series in six games, rather than having to play a Game 7.
“That's huge for us,” said Parker, who turned 31 on Friday. “And that's why we needed to take care of home-court advantage. Then we're going to be fresher playing them on the road. Winning Game 6 was huge to get us these extra two days (rest), and now to get those three days after Game 2 is great.”http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Even-Spurs-youngster-Leonard-happy-about-getting-4526041.php

[Interrohater]

Try this one: http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/bones/jumpers_knee.html

That's seems to validate my earlier post. Again: rest, therapy, ice. He'll be fine. He has way more resources than the average athlete.

[TheGreatYacht]

That's seems to validate my earlier post. Again: rest, therapy, ice. He'll be fine. He has way more resources than the average athlete.I hope so. Makes me wonder if Pop manages his minutes during the playoffs because of the jumper's knee or it's just typical Pop worrying about player's minutes in the middle of the NBA finals. I hope you're right though.

[ChumpDumper]

lol childhood defect

[dbestpro]

Of note, Pendergraph, DeColo, Mills, Danny Green, and Blair were all 2nd round picks of the 2009 draft. This was a draft where we did not have a first round pick.

[Kineto]

Regarding Pendergraph potential contract, it's noteworthy that Pacers didn't extend a $1,875,000 qualifying offer to make him a restricted free agent. They didn't think he was worth that much.

Does the fact that they're is no salary informations about the trade in media could be because it's not setted now, and will depend of what the spurs will do next.

example :
- Spurs uses cap space on Kirilenko -> Pendergraph is signed at the minimum, but with a player option on the second year.
- Spurs use the MLE -> Pendergraph is signed for a little more than the minimum, but with a team option on the second year.

[milkyway21]

Pre-game routine:

He bounces and dances and screams in the final moments before tip-off. :wakeup

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

definitely a replacement for Blair.

6'10 can play multiple positions SF/PF, a 7'1 wingspan

He is only 26.

the Spurs are getting younger

And meeting the league quota of required ACL`s. I like Blair but not sure what people expect from him. I don`t think he has found a real spot for himself in this league.

[ace3g]

Negative: Don't like they he had a recent ACL tear

Positive: We share the same Birthday.

[palangi]

Negative: Don't like they he had a recent ACL tear

Positive: We share the same Birthday.
the tear has been over a year now and he played on it last year. the second season is when most fully recover and you see the old player again.

[Strategic]

Really? :lol

I haven't been to that site in so long that I didn't know they made it a pay site. That's worse than getting insider on ESPN just to see Chad Ford's mocks.Yes, they will give you a paragraph from Jeff, and then offer the rest of the story if you subscribe.

[Mel_13]

Yes, they will give you a paragraph from Jeff, and then offer the rest of the story if you subscribe.

If you're interested in the content as long as it's free, then follow the links from his twitter account. You'll be able to view the entire article for free that way. That includes his links to the other writers like Monroe.

[Dingle Barry]

children have died from jumper knee

[Obstructed_View]

Shouldn't they call it "lander's knee"?

[eDizzle20]

I'm guessing this move means the Spurs are no longer pursuing Oden.

[exstatic]

He will be. Will be sent to Austin for the year, but he will make the roster in my opinion. Also, do not count out Bonner playing a little at the 3 spot. Scary I know, but pop played him a little there last season as well.

Dude, get a fucking clue. They passed on drafting James Southerland in the second because he wouldn't agree to go to Europe. They DID draft Thomas. He IS going to Europe.

[manufan10]

Wait, TheGreatYacht got banned? What happened? :lol

[Baam]

Wait, TheGreatYacht got banned? What happened? :lol

Tried to fly too close to the sun like Pop in the Finals...

[dallasmaverickslose]

Wait, TheGreatYacht got banned? What happened? :lol

:lmao Seriously?!?! How did you find this out?!?

[BackHome]

Yeah................:downspin:

[Libri]

kidshealth?

You are 12.

I'm just as surprised to read that it's a childhood defect. I developed jumper's knee in my right leg several years after high school and had terrible pain when doing barbell squats and walking up stairs, to the point that I tried knee wraps, stretching, and ice with no results. From doing research, it turns out that I had a muscle imbalance in my right leg, around the knee. I cured it by doing a few simple exercises that strengthened the tear drop muscle of my leg like single leg partial squats, terminal knee extensions with a band, angled leg extensions and using the foam roller. Today I'm pain free and back to doing heavier squats and other leg exercises. :)

[spurraider21]

Breaking news: playblair will return next season as playpendergraph

[exstatic]

Wait, TheGreatYacht got banned? What happened? :lol

Aw. SBM just lost his buttbuddy.

[poeticism707]

Nice pick up.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say Pop is trying to win a championship.

Of course after Game 6 and 7, I do know better.

[spurraider21]

Aw. SBM just lost his buttbuddy.

:cry SA210 will always be on his side :cry

[jjktkk]

Aw. SBM just lost his buttbuddy.

I actually think hes sbm's troll.

[jjktkk]

:cry SA210 will always be on his side :cry

And he will blame Pop for TGY's banning.

[Baynes]

With a sixth big, it really makes me wonder about Bonner's future with the team.
Why the fuck should you worry?

C - Tiago/Baynes
PF - Timmy/Diaw/Pendergraph

no more Bonner

[Mel_13]

Why the fuck should you worry?

C - Tiago/Baynes
PF - Timmy/Diaw/Pendergraph

no more Bonner

:lol

I'm guessing you're new around here. Folks have been predicting Bonner's exit since 2007. Ginger has more lives than a litter of kittens.

[yavozerb]

Dude, get a fucking clue. They passed on drafting James Southerland in the second because he wouldn't agree to go to Europe. They DID draft Thomas. He IS going to Europe.

Listen to every Thomas interview and not once did he ever mention the spurs entertaining the idea of him going to Europe (matter of fact he stated he was coming to SA to to help out and start training for the upcoming season in the NBA). If you can find one single credible source of info that says he is going over please post, if not fuck off and quite pretending like you know what the spurs FO is going to do.

[playbonner15]

Why the fuck should you worry?

C - Tiago/Baynes
PF - Timmy/Diaw/Pendergraph

no more Bonner

Baynes pls :nope

[spursince#99]

All in all, I like the signing.

[Chinook]

I get the whole MLE v. cap-space thing. I'm wondering whether it is possible to sign one of Pendegraph/Belli with cap-space (and the other with the room), and still be able to conduct a S&T. By my count even with a non-amnestied Bonner, the Spurs still have about 2.5M in cap space assuming the cap is set at the $58.6M figure that folks have tossed around.

What am I missing?

I apologize if someone has already addressed your question.

The trade exception would eat the rest of the cap space, making the signing for Belinelli or Pendergraph impossible. Only one could go for the room exception. And that's only if the team fits Neal into the cap space. If they try to get a trade exception bigger than $2.5 Million, then it would push them over the cap, and BYC would apply.

In general understand that a team can't have cap space and exceptions at the same time (just by the definition of the words). So they can't use cap space to generate a trade exception (for the most part). In order to regain their cap space, they have to renounce their exception. In my opinion, a Neal trade is only really worth it after the Spurs go over the cap.

[Baynes]

:lol

I'm guessing you're new around here. Folks have been predicting Bonner's exit since 2007. Ginger has more lives than a litter of kittens.

BNSF shits. As if your post count provides sense in your posts.

[BackHome]

What the fuck is BNSF stand for? And when did we start posting with "TBH" that what my sisters kids post when they text.......

Yes, most poster count do mean something you have though good and bad you just have to figure them out....Respect your Elders thing.

Ps. I love Baynes as Spurs!!

[callo1]

children have died from jumper knee


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=010KyIQjkTk

[Interrohater]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=010KyIQjkTk
What?! :lmao

[Darkwaters]

Of note, Pendergraph, DeColo, Mills, Danny Green, and Blair were all 2nd round picks of the 2009 draft. This was a draft where we did not have a first round pick.

And that says nothing of Jack McClinton, the Spurs draftee from 2009 that didn't make it.

[MeloHype]

Someone made a fake twitter account of him :lmao

[spursince#99]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=010KyIQjkTk


:lmao:lmao:lmao

[admiralsnackbar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=010KyIQjkTk

Well fucking played, sir. :lol

[tesseractive]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=010KyIQjkTk

So horribly wrong to cite that. Didn't one of them die last week?

(Shame on me -- I laughed anyway.)

[milkyway21]

I bet theProfessor is happy now that his 2009 draft prospect is now a Spur

he wanted him for #37 but Sacramento picked him @#31 then traded to Portland.

Spurs picked deJuan Blair instead.

lots of notable good players in that class- Griffin, Curry, Harden, Rubio

[bluebellmaniac]

I bet theProfessor is happy now that his 2009 draft prospect is now a Spur

he wanted him for #37 but Sacramento picked him @#31 then traded to Portland.

Spurs picked deJuan Blair instead.

lots of notable good players in that class- Griffin, Curry, Harden, Rubio

'the Professor' ... who is that? Was Pendergragh our target in '09?

[teazee]

: Lobt:: Lobt:: Lobt:: Lobt:: Lobt:
Tony / Aaron Brooks (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3192/aaron-brooks) / Nando de Colo (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3977/nando-de-colo)
Danny / Marco Belinelli (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3190/marco-belinelli) / Ginobili
Kawhi / Andrei Kirilenko (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/434/andrei-kirilenko) / Davis Bertans (http://www.eurobasket2011.com/en/cid_4,w7QjPeH-M,ty138LH2l3.playerID_71637.compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANO rUf9le2.season_2011.roundID_7526.teamID_2134.html)
Tim / Boris / Jeff Pendergraph (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4008/jeff-pendergraph)
Tiago / Aron Baynes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2968439/aron-baynes) / Greg Oden (http://www.sportsoverdose.com/nba-players/greg-oden)

[bigfan]

He sounds ok but seems to have a history of knee problems.

[Darkwaters]

: Lobt:: Lobt:: Lobt:: Lobt:: Lobt:
Tony / Aaron Brooks (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3192/aaron-brooks) / Nando de Colo (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3977/nando-de-colo)
Danny / Marco Belinelli (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3190/marco-belinelli) / Ginobili
Kawhi / Andrei Kirilenko (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/434/andrei-kirilenko) / Davis Bertans (http://www.eurobasket2011.com/en/cid_4,w7QjPeH-M,ty138LH2l3.playerID_71637.compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANO rUf9le2.season_2011.roundID_7526.teamID_2134.html)
Tim / Boris / Jeff Pendergraph (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4008/jeff-pendergraph)
Tiago / Aron Baynes (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2968439/aron-baynes) / Greg Oden (http://www.sportsoverdose.com/nba-players/greg-oden)

Greg Oden =
http://taxfreegold.co.uk/images/foolsgold400.jpg

[Raven]

well, belinelli and pendergraph with all that capspace just sucks.. i mean, we obviously got worse..

[Darkwaters]

well, belinelli and pendergraph with all that capspace just sucks.. i mean, we obviously got worse..

Returning the same team that was 28 seconds from a championship + Neal upgrade + Blair upgrade = worse


You're the guy that did the accounting on Obamacare, huh?

[kobexxx]

will just ride the bench anyway

[Raven]

Returning the same team that was 28 seconds from a championship + Neal upgrade + Blair upgrade = worse


You're the guy that did the accounting on Obamacare, huh?

personally i consider belinelli among the worst players in the league and pendergraph is as injury prone as it gets.

[MeloHype]

Greg Oden =
http://taxfreegold.co.uk/images/foolsgold400.jpg
Greg Oden=
http://nocoastbias.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ts-greg-oden-large.jpg

[-21-]

Returning the same team that was 28 seconds from a championship + Neal upgrade + Blair upgrade = worse


You're the guy that did the accounting on Obamacare, huh?

I'm not so sure Belinelli is an upgrade over Neal. Even if he is bigger and better defensively, I think Belinelli is more of a spot-up shooter that has to rely on others to get some good looks. Neal was very important at times because of his ability to create his own shot (plus he actually improved at finding his teammates too tbh). With Manu playing like he is, the Spurs desperately need another playmaker to keep things from falling apart when Tony is out. I don't think Joseph, De Colo or Mills is that guy.

I'd love to be proven wrong about Belinelli though.

[milkyway21]

'the Professor' ... who is that? Was Pendergragh our target in '09?

just one of the prospects in the 2009 draft, TheProfessor is also a member..

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124919&p=3483483#post3483483

[TheProfessor]

I bet theProfessor is happy now that his 2009 draft prospect is now a Spur

he wanted him for #37 but Sacramento picked him @#31 then traded to Portland.

Spurs picked deJuan Blair instead.

lots of notable good players in that class- Griffin, Curry, Harden, Rubio
Nice to be remembered. Pendergraph's panned out as a decent rotational big option, seems like a good under-the-radar signing. I think he'll contribute.

[milkyway21]

Nice to be remembered. Pendergraph's panned out as a decent rotational big option, seems like a good under-the-radar signing. I think he'll contribute.

well, according to some articles he turned out to be a solid one. Work ethic : okay :tu

[cjw]

I'm not so sure Belinelli is an upgrade over Neal. Even if he is bigger and better defensively, I think Belinelli is more of a spot-up shooter that has to rely on others to get some good looks. Neal was very important at times because of his ability to create his own shot (plus he actually improved at finding his teammates too tbh). With Manu playing like he is, the Spurs desperately need another playmaker to keep things from falling apart when Tony is out. I don't think Joseph, De Colo or Mills is that guy.

I'd love to be proven wrong about Belinelli though.

I'm torn. Agreed that Neal's ability to create his own shot was extremely important when the offense went otherwise stagnant. But his brainfarts on D are even worse than Jarrett Jack's. Marco can't be any worse than that plus has more size.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

353938404444086273

[elemento]

Yeah, time to move on on splash moves.

Spurs stand pat as usual.

[Baam]

:lol

Like :pop: would amnesty Bonner, we all knew deep down...

[Darkwaters]

353938404444086273

Wow. Like an atom bomb. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Bikini Atoll.

I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.

[Texas_Ranger]

lol Spurs...

[Bruno]

It really sucks. Spurs had oportunities to make their team significantly better and they blow it big time.

As crazy as it seems to whine about a team that reached the Finales and bring back basically all their core players, Spurs have had a crappy off-season.

:td to Spurs FO.

[benefactor]

personally i consider belinelli among the worst players in the league and pendergraph is as injury prone as it gets.
Do players who are the worst in the league score 24pts in a Game 7 and hit two clutch FT's to seal the win?

[Jumi]

:lol Amnesty Bonner
:lol AK 47

Still top three in the West!

[-21-]

So much for that...

[Texas_Ranger]

So much money and they got even worse. And still no backup SF, but like 100 guards on the team.

[ChumpDumper]

lol July cliff jumpers

[SpursSerb]

Good thing we signed him so quickly,lots of other teams were willing to blow up their cap space for Pendergraph.He was just behind Dwight in FA list. LOL!

[Baam]

So much money and they got even worse. And still no backup SF, but like 100 guards on the team.

Yeah the depressing part was all the cap space they had... If there didn't have any flexibity we'd obviously feel good about the off season...

[SpursRock20]

Goes to show that favoritism is never good for the well-being of a team. I mean what were the chances that we would have signed Pendergraph so soon if we had not brought in his assistant coach? I say zero.

[Mel_13]

Goes to show that favoritism is never good for the well-being of a team. I mean what were the chances that we would have signed Pendergraph so soon if we had not brought in his assistant coach? I say zero.

Danny Ferry and Danny Green say hi.

[SpursRock20]

Danny Ferry and Danny Green say hi.
Entirely different situation.

[Mel_13]

Entirely different situation.

Not from where I sit.

[MannyIsGod]

I knew there was no way it was going to be a min deal. It made no sense to believe that. Its quite possible the Spurs still are capable of bringing in another player in the same range as Pendergraph and Bellinelli if they amnesty Bonner and move one of the point guards. It actually really makes sense to do this.

The Spurs may have been interested in AK but it also appears as though they had no desire to do anything but 2 year deals. No way AK was going to go for a 2 year deal.

[timvp]

Two years, $4 million for Pendergraph? Not terrible by itself but, damn, offseason basically over.

I'm assuming Spurs saved enough money in the MLE to sign another player at some point to a long-term contract if they shine in summer league, d-league, etc.

[Brutalis]

SA has been interested in AK for years now. I just cannot understand why a franchise that is so smart and successful keep overpaying scrubs in resigning and keep fools like Bonner. Seriously this is a mind fuck.

[SpursRock20]

Not from where I sit.
Green was picked up during the season. Green was not given a questionable deal that hurts the Spurs chances of getting another player.

[SpursSerb]

Please make some bigger move,or this offseason is going to seriously suck!

[Mel_13]

Green was picked up during the season. Green was not given a questionable deal that hurts the Spurs chances of getting another player.

It's only your opinion that the deal is questionable or that it hurts the Spurs in any way. Not facts.

[SpursRock20]

It's only your opinion that the deal is questionable or that it hurts the Spurs in any way. Not facts.
In fact, the deal is questionable. Most of this board didn't even know who he was, and the Spurs throw him some MLE money when he didn't even seem to have a market. Why?

Whether it hurts the Spurs in any way, I guess that will remain to be seen. Prove me wrong, Pendergraph.

[Mel_13]

In fact, the deal is questionable. Most of this board didn't even know who he was, and the Spurs throw him some MLE money when he didn't even seem to have a market. Why?

Whether it hurts the Spurs in any way, I guess that will remain to be seen. Prove me wrong, Pendergraph.

So, it's questionable in the opinion of many on this board. Still not fact.

[timvp]

I knew there was no way it was going to be a min deal. It made no sense to believe that.Yeah, it was a stretch to think a young big would sign for the minimum before seeing how the dominoes fell.



Its quite possible the Spurs still are capable of bringing in another player in the same range as Pendergraph and Bellinelli if they amnesty Bonner and move one of the point guards. It actually really makes sense to do this.Eh, disagree. It doesn't make sense to eat Bonner's $4 million to sign a player that is worth a few million. They'd basically have to pay double for whoever they'd want in that range ... and that's not going to happen. There's no $3-5M player out there worth $7-9M.

PG: Parker, Joseph, De Colo, Mills
SG: Green, Ginobili, Belinelli, De Colo, Mills
SF: Leonard, Ginobili, Green, Diaw
PF: Duncan, Diaw, Bonner, Leonard, Pendergraph
C: Splitter, Duncan, Baynes, Pendergraph

Need good growth from Leonard and CJ -- and probably one more surprise player to emerge -- but fine.

[HarlemHeat37]

Yeah, it was a stretch to think a young big would sign for the minimum before seeing how the dominoes fell.


Eh, disagree. It doesn't make sense to eat Bonner's $4 million to sign a player that is worth a few million. They'd basically have to pay double for whoever they'd want in that range ... and that's not going to happen. There's no $3-5M player out there worth $7-9M.

PG: Parker, Joseph, De Colo, Mills
SG: Green, Ginobili, Belinelli, De Colo, Mills
SF: Leonard, Ginobili, Green, Diaw
PF: Duncan, Diaw, Bonner, Leonard, Pendergraph
C: Splitter, Duncan, Baynes, Pendergraph

Need good growth from Leonard and CJ -- and probably one more surprise player to emerge -- but fine.

Danny Green adding a floater or anything inside the arc + Splitter not shrinking during the playoffs would have a colossal impact on this team IMO..

[AFBlue]

:( $7M for a tosb "competitor" that doesn't know when to call it quits
:( $9M for a role player "big" that shrinks to the occasion
:( Not taking advantage of potentially significant cap space to upgrade in key roles
:( Only potential upgrade is to bench scorer and fifth big role
:( Foolishly counting on no regression from last season's stars

If I felt like the Spurs had as good a chance at being back next year as they were to winning it all this year, then this offseason really isn't a disappointment. But, I just can't...there are too many questions and too much potential progression with other teams in the west.

As a Spurs fan, I truly hope Duncan and Parker maintain, Kawhi continues his breakout, Ginobili breaks out of the funk, Splitter grows a pair, Belinelli is above-replacement for Neal, and time in the system provides progression for the second-year players. That's the only way I see the Spurs being back, and unfortunately I'm just not confident in it at this point.

[timvp]

It's only your opinion that the deal is questionable or that it hurts the Spurs in any way. Not facts.

I agree that in a bubble 2-years and $4 million for Pendergraph is fine. Maybe even a good deal. And since we don't know when exactly the Spurs plan shift away from using cap space (although we can guess it occurred when Ginobili asked for market value), it's unfair to point to the Pendergraph deal as what is keeping the Spurs from trying to make more of a splash.

If you're shopping for a big and you only want to spend $2M, Pendergraph is about as good as you're going to get. By comparison, he got one-fourth of the amount of money Mahinmi got last summer ... and Mahinmi's resume was equally as empty.

[SpursRock20]

So, it's questionable in the opinion of many on this board. Still not fact.
You are being unreasonable just for the sake of being unreasonable.

[Agloco]

SA has been interested in AK for years now. I just cannot understand why a franchise that is so smart and successful keep overpaying scrubs in resigning and keep fools like Bonner. Seriously this is a mind fuck.

You've answered your question tbh.....

[Agloco]

:( $7M for a tosb "competitor" that doesn't know when to call it quits
:( $9M for a role player "big" that shrinks to the occasion
:( Not taking advantage of potentially significant cap space to upgrade in key roles
:( Only potential upgrade is to bench scorer and fifth big role
:( Foolishly counting on no regression from last season's stars

If I felt like the Spurs had as good a chance at being back next year as they were to winning it all this year, then this offseason really isn't a disappointment. But, I just can't...there are too many questions and too much potential progression with other teams in the west.

As a Spurs fan, I truly hope Duncan and Parker maintain, Kawhi continues his breakout, Ginobili breaks out of the funk, Splitter grows a pair, Belinelli is above-replacement for Neal, and time in the system provides progression for the second-year players. That's the only way I see the Spurs being back, and unfortunately I'm just not confident in it at this point.

Same feelings I had last year after the WCF. They always have a way of surprising us.

[Mel_13]

You are being unreasonable just for the sake of being unreasonable.

:lol

Argumentative, not unreasonable.

[SpursDynasty21]

For what it's worth, I have some friends who are Pacers fans. They were not real happy with Pendergraph.

[timvp]

The good news is that the underwhelming offseasons usually lead to better than expected seasons. The "great" offseasons lead to disappointment.

Not sure why it works that way but that's been the pattern for the Spurs in the Duncan era.

[Chomag]

Never addressed the back up SF issue, and im not convinced over the back up PG spot either. Lame off-season, but ya Spurs.

[TheGoldStandard]

So 4 Million to a guy who'll maybe play in 20 games? Spurs don't play a deep bench, Baynes was limited last year so I expect him to get some minutes.. not a lot of minutes to go around with 7 guards on the floor, 6 bigs and only 2 small forwards.. Ugh, this reeks.

[TheGoldStandard]

Never addressed the back up SF issue, and im not convinced over the back up PG spot either. Lame off-season, but ya Spurs.

Yeah, PG by committee again.

[Texas_Ranger]

So 4 Million to a guy who'll maybe play in 20 games? Spurs don't play a deep bench, Baynes was limited last year so I expect him to get some minutes.. not a lot of minutes to go around with 7 guards on the floor, 6 bigs and only 2 small forwards.. Ugh, this reeks.

we have 2??

[TheGoldStandard]

we have 2??

Typo.. 1.. lol 14 on a team, sorry.. I guess this starts new project.. converting bigs to a small forward.

[justinandimcool]

They must really believe in this guy to replace Bonner's role to give him that type of money.

They must also really believe in Thomas to not have addressed the SF situation by now. That or we're just playing smallball all year.

[picnroll]

So who's the Spurs backup SF?

[TheGoldStandard]

They must really believe in this guy to replace Bonner's role to give him that type of money.

They must also really believe in Thomas to not have addressed the SF situation by now. That or we're just playing smallball all year.

The 2nd thing.. small ball, yup that's probably it. Bonner is moving to the SF position.

[TheGoldStandard]

So who's the Spurs backup SF?

Manu/Marco/Bonner

[bigfan]

Meh. I can live with it as long as he doesnt try to introduce that bullshite pregame dance/yell routine he had up in Indiana.

[Strategic]

Damn peoples, reading this thread is depressing as hell. The Spurs already have what they need for the next two years, right now they are working on the future. Anyone should know that these "bigger" name players cannot fit into the Spurs offense in a year. Spurs got this shit!

[Baam]

So why did we draft and stash again... Who is the 15th player? Deshaun Thomas or Chancey Billups... There was a real opening for Living at SF in the end...

[Birn]

As usual. idiot armchair GM's jump off the cliff and declare off-season a failure. This is happens every off-season. Just like clockwork. Go back to last off-season's threads and you'll see identical posts all over the place. Fact is, you all have no clue what you're talking about. This fact has been proven over and over and over again.

Spurs are in great shape going into next season. Core returns and young pieces on the roster will continue to develop and improve. We also have an extra roster spot left open going into next season just in case another key player comes available through amnesty or gets waived. It's prudent and smart to keep an extra roster spot open in the event a key player becomes available. That's how were able to add Diaw, Neal and Baynes. While everyone else blows their wad filling all 15 roster spots, we maintain flexibility. You never know, someone like Deshaun Thomas or another player will dominate Summer League and earn that spot.

All of you pretend GM's and cap experts would fail miserably if someone actually were stupid enough to allow you to put together an NBA roster.

[Chomag]

I honestly wouldn't put it past Pop forcing Bonner into the SF position this season just to try to keep him relevant on the roster. Oh God... what am I saying!?!

[Jumi]

As usual. idiot armchair GM's jump off the cliff and declare off-season a failure. This is happens every off-season. Just like clockwork. Go back to last off-season's threads and you'll see identical posts all over the place. Fact is, you all have no clue what you're talking about. This fact has been proven over and over and over again.

Spurs are in great shape going into next season. Core returns and young pieces on the roster will continue to develop and improve. We also have an extra roster spot left open going into next season just in case another key player comes available through amnesty or gets waived. It's prudent and smart to keep an extra roster spot open in the event a key player becomes available. That's how were able to add Diaw, Neal and Baynes. While everyone else blows their wad filling all 15 roster spots, we maintain flexibility. You never know, someone like Deshaun Thomas or another player will dominate Summer League and earn that spot.

All of you pretend GM's and cap experts would fail miserably if someone actually were stupid enough to allow you to put together an NBA roster.

I like you already!

[apalisoc_9]

This is not like any other off season because the spurs really had a legit chance of cementing themselves in the west. Paying a scrub 2 Million dollars. :td

I guess this means we're running Kawhi Leonard to the ground. Hope his knees are ok. The spurs still is the best team in the west anyway. We just gotta hope Green develops a somewhat sufficient dribble game enough to score a floater, Splitter learns to board against smaller defender and Cojo develop as a good back-up.

4/10 offseason considering the chances.

I don't think anyone is cliff jumping here. They could still win the championship even with the current squad, that doesn't take away the fact that it was a bad offseason.

[Darkwaters]

I honestly wouldn't put it past Pop forcing Bonner into the SF position this season just to try to keep him relevant on the roster. Oh God... what am I saying!?!

You're crazy. We only had one true SF during our finals run this last season. We'll probably go into the season with Belinelli/Ginobili splitting time there behind Leonard.

[Hoops Czar]

The "do the bare minimum" franchise strikes again. Anyone who didn't see this outcome hasn't been paying attention the last few years. A crapshoot for the backup pg and sf position and still one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. For the thirs sgraight year, the Spurs did nothing to address the team's weaknessess. The Spurs front office isn't as smart as the media and experts make them out to be.

[Hoops Czar]

I honestly wouldn't put it past Pop forcing Bonner into the SF position this season just to try to keep him relevant on the roster. Oh God... what am I saying!?!
That small potatoes. Wait until they resign him in the offseason.

[Splits]

Diaw can play minutes at SF, as can Manu, Green, and Pendergraph. Our biggest problem wasn't/isn't a backup SF, it is someone who can create off the dribble not named Tony Parker. In that sense, the offseason was lackluster, but it's pretty funny to have so many people cliffjumping in July. The writing was on the wall after the Splitter and Manu deals.

On the bright side, at least we're not OKC. They lost Martin and didn't add anybody significant on the perimeter to replace him, using their 12th pick on an unproven big. They better hope they can develop Lamb, and fast.

GSW added Iggy but lost Jack and Landry.

Denver got much worse.

Memphis fired their coach and got Koufos.

Clippers probably had the best offseason in the West but had to give up Bledsoe, plus they're still the Clippers.

Lakers will miss the playoffs this season.

Houston got much better, but they'll need at least a year before making any noise.

So who exactly is going to dethrone us in the West? We plowed through the playoffs at 12-2 and nobody got significantly better. If things basically stand where they are, it will be OKC and us in the WCF barring miracles or injuries.

[Marcus Bryant]

The problem is, just because Spurs fans want a player to be signed and the Spurs have the cap flexibity, that does not make it a reality.

Some of you are rather fucking stupid.

[DPG21920]

Pretty gruesome details coming out. It's really unfortunate. The Spurs spent 5M and don't have any reasonable expectations of being better or improving an area of need. Getting a 6th big makes entirely no sense and getting another guard with questionable abilities/limitations for that money really makes very little sense.

It's particularly mind-numbing when you consider the draft. There were seemingly a lot better upside players (we will see) than who they drafted and if you aren't needing cap space (thanks, Manu) no need to draft and stash for someone who by all accounts doesn't even look like that good of a prospect.

[ducks]

So why did we draft and stash again... Who is the 15th player? Deshaun Thomas or Chancey Billups... There was a real opening for Living at SF in the end...

spurs had plans to get somone
they could have said no
hell mark cuban has been trying to get dirk help and they keep saying FUCK YOu

[SpursRock20]

Diaw can play minutes at SF, as can Manu, Green, and Pendergraph. Our biggest problem wasn't/isn't a backup SF, it is someone who can create off the dribble not named Tony Parker. In that sense, the offseason was lackluster, but it's pretty funny to have so many people cliffjumping in July. The writing was on the wall after the Splitter and Manu deals.

On the bright side, at least we're not OKC. They lost Martin and didn't add anybody significant on the perimeter to replace him, using their 12th pick on an unproven big. They better hope they can develop Lamb, and fast.

GSW added Iggy but lost Jack and Landry.

Denver got much worse.

Memphis fired their coach and got Koufos.

Clippers probably had the best offseason in the West but had to give up Bledsoe, plus they're still the Clippers.

Lakers will miss the playoffs this season.

Houston got much better, but they'll need at least a year before making any noise.

So who exactly is going to dethrone us in the West? We plowed through the playoffs at 12-2 and nobody got significantly better. If things basically stand where they are, it will be OKC and us in the WCF barring miracles or injuries.

All true. But the problem that I see is that if we reach the Finals, we will most likely have to face Miami once again. We did not address the issues that plagued us during that series. Yeah, I know we were that close, but is it a given that we will be that close again? Manu might regress even further and who's to say that Duncan will continue to play as well as he has. I wanted a back up PG signing this off season, but I guess PG by committee will be par for the course once again.

[Birn]

The "do the bare minimum" franchise strikes again. Anyone who didn't see this outcome hasn't been paying attention the last few years. A crapshoot for the backup pg and sf position and still one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. For the thirs sgraight year, the Spurs did nothing to address the team's weaknessess. The Spurs front office isn't as smart as the media and experts make them out to be.

LOL!!!! The Spurs made the Finals and Western Conference Finals the past two seasons, clown. Our front office is the envy of the entire sports world and their skill at evaluating and bringing in the right championship talent has been proven and well chronicled over the past 15 years.

[DPG21920]

A lot of things have to go well. Manu took a rather large deal and will he hold up physically? What about mentally? He thinks he did so-so in the finals? Can Tim have as great of a season as he did last year? What about TP repeating an MVP-like season?

Spurs had such a fantastic year, but both internally (Tim staying healthy and turning back the clock, TP MVP season) and externally (Westbrook going down) they seemingly had all the stars align to make that epic run where Manu let them down. They needed to improve (and who knows, these two guys may improve them, it's just not reasonable to expect them to based on what we know) and it definitely feels like a missed opportunity and perhaps they were a little over confident about the success from last season. We will just have to see how it shakes out.

[Splits]

All true. But the problem that I see is that if we reach the Finals, we will most likely have to face Miami once again. We did not address the issues that plagued us during that series. Yeah, I know we were that close, but is it a given that we will be that close again? Manu might regress even further and who's to say that Duncan will continue to play as well as he has. I wanted a back up PG signing this off season, but I guess PG by committee will be par for the course once again.

Agreed, which is why I was hoping for a Jarret Jack-type player. Many things have to go right to ring, and at this point to me the key is going to be Manu having a Duncan-esque resurgent season. It's a long shot, but since he most likely won't be participating in his true passion this summer (international play) and grinding his body down before the season even begins, there's a chance it can happen.

[spurraider21]

The spurs only addition last summer was Nando de colo and things went pretty well. Of course when a rumor like AK got thrown out there we all got excited, and it's naturally a letdown. We're likely still the class of the west

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL!!!! The Spurs made the Finals and Western Conference Finals the past two seasons, clown. Our front office is the envy of the entire sports world and their skill at evaluating and bringing in the right championship talent has been proven and well chronicled over the past 15 years.

That poster predicted the Heat would be a failure and wouldn't win a title..he thought the Nuggets were a better team than the Spurs last year..he isn't known for his predictions, or even his takes, tbh..

[DMX7]

This has been one pathetic offseason.

[TheGoldStandard]

I honestly wouldn't put it past Pop forcing Bonner into the SF position this season just to try to keep him relevant on the roster. Oh God... what am I saying!?!
From your hands to his eyes and ears.. I think this will be something we see next season. Bonner spacing the floor at the 3.

[Robz4000]

Tbh, maybe we should come to terms with the idea the Spurs made all these moves with signing an AK47, Ellis (:lol), or Millsap in mind but got turned down by all their choices and had to scramble to do what they could. At least they picked up a couple interesting players.

[Vic Petro]

I wonder how much having maximum cap space possible in '15 played into their decision to just split the MLE between 2-3 lesser role players. I hope not a lot, since the Spurs have a 2 year window, but I recall a predraft interview where RC was very upfront about (paraphrasing) "realizing this is all going to end someday" and finally making some decisions with a nod toward that day.

Its possible that conversations with outside free agents just didn't progress once there was a demand for more than 2 years which would disqualify AK, Ellis, Jack, or whoever else.