Spurs reach agreement with Jeff Pendergraph (Report: 2 Year, ~$4 million)

[bklynspursfan]

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The San Antonio Spurs have reached agreement with free agent forward Jeff Pendergraph on a two-year deal, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[Texas_Ranger]

wowwwww

[benefactor]

Well done.

[szkorhetz]

Really? Why?

[FrenchSpur]

What the hell ?!

[Texas_Ranger]

U guess this means no Kenyon Martin or Jamison.

[MR-Clutch]

..........

[SpursFanInAustin]

Isn't this the guy who got ejected in Game 7 for the Pacers during garbage time?

[polandprzem]

Now we gonna rule

[Obstructed_View]

Close the dooorr.....

[bklynspursfan]

Isn't this the guy who got ejected in Game 7 for the Pacers during garbage time?

Yup... That's what I know him for!

[TDomination]

Is this guy good? Decent? Bad?

Any Potential?

I looked him up, says he is 6'9" and 26 years old.

[MR-Clutch]

well, this is very underwhelming.

[NickiRasgo]

He's from Trailblazers too? Like Patty Mills? Don't know who he is. lol He could be like a Danny Green in our 4 spot!

His stats are not impressive but based from DraftExpress:


Defensively, Pendergraph is very solid, showing extremely active feet in Arizona State’s zone. He’s not particularly tall, long or bulky, but his effort level, smarts and fundamentals allow him to be effective. He has nice timing and will block the occasional shot, although this probably isn’t something that is expected to translate that effectively considering his average physical attributes. He’s a good, but not great rebounder on top of that.

In terms of intangibles, Pendergraph is pretty much the entire package, as he’s a smart, well-spoken, hard working player on and off the court who graduated in three and a half years and is very well respected by his teammates. He’s a little bit young for his class, though, not turning 22 until the end of April, which means he might not be a finished product just yet.

At the end of the day, Pendergraph is unlikely to blow anyone away with his upside, but might be able to find his niche in the NBA regardless and develop into a solid role player. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder here, and if he gets with the right team it’s not out of the question that he sticks around for a while. Otherwise, he’ll have a nice career overseas and will probably make some old-school coach very happy.

From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2YHh512h1 (http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz2YHh512h1)
http://www.draftexpress.com

Best Case:Fabricio Oberto
Worst Case:Jordi Trias

From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2YHhQ7pS7 (http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz2YHhQ7pS7)
http://www.draftexpress.com

I like it! I'm curious with the salary though. Does it mean Bonner will be waived or amnestied?

[NASpurs]

We staaaaaaaaaaaaacked

[L.I.T]

Eh, decent depth and development signing. Did make 2/4 3s last year.

Somehow feels like a prelude to bigger move.

[elemento]

This is such a typical off-season

Spurs target one guy then out of nowhere they sign a guy nobody thought about.

:lol

[Texas_Ranger]

So again we have 6 bigs. Will Bonner really be our 4/5 big getting 4M a year?? Needs to get amnestied.

[ironman2886]

He'll play in garbage time.

[MANUNG-Ginobili]

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

[ElNono]

Isn't this the guy who got ejected in Game 7 for the Pacers during garbage time?

0wcMUqLob4w

[Bruno]

If it's a minimum contract, I guess it's a decent signing for the end of the bench.

If Spurs spend a part of the MLE on him, it truly sucks.

[ElNono]

He has a weird ass release too:

7Z9YIp8d-G4

[FrenchSpur]

Yeah he's got a decent jumpshot apparently... But I still don't understand that signing...

[djohn14]

Former High School teammate and good friend of...Darren Collison. Thats why we signed him

[spurman123]

Insurance? Bye Blair?

[benefactor]

With a sixth big, it really makes me wonder about Bonner's future with the team.

[DPG21920]

Keep in mind two things:

1) Spurs just hired a coach from INDY

2) Spurs were rumored to be after another PF for the league min (Kenyon Martin). Whatever they wanted that for, apparently they feel Jeff is the best option available. I just really hope this is not the off season.

[Chinook]

Looks like a glue guy. If he sees time, it doesn't bode well for Bonner. Also, it'd be interesting to see what his deal is. If it's for the minimum, it shows they could still want to use cap space for someone. If it's for part of the MLE, then free agency is likely over.

[NickiRasgo]

Maybe Boylen suggested to the Spurs to sign this guy?

[SpursDynasty21]

Interesting signing.

[2centsworth]

I like the touch a lot. This pick-up actually excites me. Spurs can develop talent like no other. Guy has, don't laugh, David West potential.

[loveforthegame]

He's interesting. Sounds like a Blair replacement.

I'd like it even better if it meant Bonner was gone.

[Texas_Ranger]

per 36min he's better than Bonner. At least he can jump.

[manufan10]

Kind of looks like a Bonner or Blair replacement to me.

[NASpurs]

Maybe Boylen suggested to the Spurs to sign this guy?

Exactly, that's probably what went down.

[benefactor]

Maybe Boylen suggested to the Spurs to sign this guy?
Makes sense.

[ElNono]

For people wanting the Spurs to get younger... there you go

[Mugen]

:lol Let's call it an offseason i guess.

[ironman2886]

Hope he like towel waving.

[TheGreatYacht]

Keep in mind two things:

1) Spurs just hired a coach from INDY

2) Spurs were rumored to be after another PF for the league min (Kenyon Martin). Whatever they wanted that for, apparently they feel Jeff is the best option available. I just really hope this is not the off season.
It's worth a signing if it's for the minimum, tbh..

Decent defender, stretches the defense, plays hard..worth a spot at the end of the bench in Pop's system..

If it's for anything more than the minimum, then I hate it, tbh..

If it's a minimum contract, I guess it's a decent signing for the end of the bench.

If Spurs spend a part of the MLE on him, it truly sucks.All of the above.

[kolko]

It's a two-year deal.

[DPG21920]

2 year deal per Woj. No word on the amount

[Texas_Ranger]

we only have 1 roster spot open. And assuming they'll sign a backup SF and PG someone's got to go.

[Chinook]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHKMa8g4tB0

Like the athleticism and skill set. Could definitely see him getting a role on the team eventually.

[therealtruth]

Kind of looks like a Bonner or Blair replacement to me.

[BatManu20]

Welp.. he's no AK47 but I don't mind the signing for the minimum I guess.

[SpursDynasty21]

we only have 1 roster spot open. And assuming they'll sign a backup SF and PG someone's got to go.

Maybe there are more moves coming?

[therealtruth]

The Miami Heat have the right idea about role players. You want guys who have fight and will be scrappy.

[timvp]

Interesting. He's a decent player who fits as a Blair replacement. His per minute numbers are pretty damn good: 14.1 points, 10.1 rebounds and 1.2 blocks per 36 minutes. If that assistant coach coming over from Indiana is high on him and the Spurs signed him for the minimum, it's a great deal. If the Spurs used the other half of the MLE on him ........ that'll be disappointing.

[michaelwcho]

For his 3 year career, has been an above average player. Last year was a down year. Good FG%, average rebounding, a little light on assists and steals. Looks to be more effective as PF than PF/C. Could be decent depth, but not a game-changer.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/583-jeff-pendergraph

[benefactor]

From the Boylen thread:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865571587/Utah-Jazz-Former-Ute-coach-Jim-Boylen-returns-to-Beehive-State.html?pg=all

Good insight into Jim's capabilities in this brief article.

"Boylen’s main duty is working with the Pacers’ big men, and he’s been given some of the credit for helping develop Roy Hibbert into an All-Star. Indiana coach Frank Vogel is extremely complimentary of Boylen.

This move definitely has Boylen written all over it. The fact that he spent a lot of time working with the Pacers bigs means he saw something in Pendergraph that made him worthwhile to acquire.

[Jumi]

We staaaaaaaaaaaaacked

This, tbh!

[dallasmaverickslose]

So I'd assume this means the end for Bonner or Baynes?

Who's more likely to be gone?

[ElNono]

Interesting. He's a decent player who fits as a Blair replacement. His per minute numbers are pretty damn good: 14.1 points, 10.1 rebounds and 1.2 blocks. If that assistant coach coming over from Indiana is high on him and the Spurs signed him for the minimum, it's a great deal. If the Spurs used the other half of the MLE on him ........ that'll be disappointing.

14.1/10.1/1.2 per minute? sheeeeeeittt :lol

[MeloHype]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Neil-Patrick-Harris-Gun-to-Head.gif

[Texas_Ranger]

but, but, but he dunks too much...

[Chinook]

Interesting. He's a decent player who fits as a Blair replacement. His per minute numbers are pretty damn good: 14.1 points, 10.1 rebounds and 1.2 blocks. If that assistant coach coming over from Indiana is high on him and the Spurs signed him for the minimum, it's a great deal. If the Spurs used the other half of the MLE on him ........ that'll be disappointing.

Those are the best per-minute numbers I've ever seen.

[ColinB]

Probably intriguing to the Spurs seeing as he isn't American.

[manufan10]

So I'd assume this means the end for Bonner or Baynes?

Who's more likely to be gone?

Between those two I would say it's Bonner.

[Spurious]

I like his scrappiness. Dude beat Cole's head totally flat.

[TheGreatYacht]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHKMa8g4tB0

Like the athleticism and skill set. Could definitely see him getting a role on the team eventually.I wish Tiago Splitter would finish at the rim like this kid.

[Chinook]

From the Boylen thread:

This move definitely has Boylen written all over it. The fact that he spent a lot of time working with the Pacers bigs means he saw something in Pendergraph that made him worthwhile to acquire.

Whata-sized Danny Green, hopefully.

[weebo]

So I'd assume this means the end for Bonner or Baynes?

Who's more likely to be gone?

More likely a replacement for Blair.

[BatManu20]

I still don't see the Spurs getting rid of Bonner. Not if Pop gets his way anyways.

[fleggy2k2]

Those are the best per-minute numbers I've ever seen.

:rollin

[timvp]

Ha, I thought I edited that instantly. You guys are too fast.




It looks like he developed nicely last year. Two years ago, he was 5-for-20 on jumpers. Last season, he was 40-for-101. That's a pretty huge improvement over the course of one season.

6-foot-9, 250 pounds, athletic, improving jumper, his personal coach obviously recommended him ...... not bad.

[benefactor]

Whata-sized Danny Green, hopefully.
:lol...I hope so too.

[yavozerb]

He's from Trailblazers too? Like Patty Mills? Don't know who he is. lol He could be like a Danny Green in our 4 spot!

His stats are not impressive but based from DraftExpress:




Best Case:Fabricio Oberto
Worst Case:Jordi Trias

From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2YHhQ7pS7 (http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz2YHhQ7pS7)
http://www.draftexpress.com

I like it! I'm curious with the salary though. Does it mean Bonner will be waived or amnestied?
Guy has good size at 6'10 and seems to be pretty athletic as well. Seems like an energy type player (like the Blair comparison but much bigger) who can come in get rebounds, set solid screens, and get an occasional dunk. For the min. (i hope) these type of players are needed..
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jeff-Pendergraph-1165/

[dallasmaverickslose]

More likely a replacement for Blair.

So you're saying we'll keep 6 bigs?

[kobyz]

so no more signs, no roster spot left:
Tony Parker/Corey Joseph/Patrick Mills
Danny Green/Marco Belinelli/Nando De Colo
Kawhi Leonard/Manu Ginobili/Deshaun Thomas
Tim Duncan/Boris Diaw/Matt Bonner
Tiago Splitter/Aron Baynes/Jeff Pendergraph

[benefactor]

so no more signs, no roster spot left:
Tony Parker/Corey Joseph/Patrick Mills
Danny Green/Marco Belinelli/Nando De Colo
Kawhi Leonard/Manu Ginobili/Deshaun Thomas
Tim Duncan/Boris Diaw/Matt Bonner
Tiago Splitter/Aron Baynes/Jeff Pendergraph
Thomas is not on the roster.

[VBM]

Bigger move? Belinelli is as big a move as you can expect. I think it's been a pretty good offseason for us. OKC/LAL/Denver has gotten worse. Mavs got marginally better. Golden St. and Houston are the only squads in the west that have gotten markedly better, and Marco is the piece we were missing against Miami (an additional ball-handler).

[Bruno]

Signing a relatively obscure player like that on July 6th is quite unusual. This kind of low profile player are most of the time signed way later. Spurs, likely with the help of Boylen as others have said, must be really sold on him.

[YoMamaIsCallin]

Probably intriguing to the Spurs seeing as he isn't American.

wtf you talkin bout

born in Cali went to ASU http://www.thesundevils.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/asu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/pendergraphbio

seems to have a brain in his head got his degree in economics at ASU in less than 4 years while playing ball

[TheGreatYacht]

Bigger move? Belinelli is as big a move as you can expect. I think it's been a pretty good offseason for us. OKC/LAL/Denver has gotten worse. Mavs got marginally better. Golden St. and Houston are the only squads in the west that have gotten markedly better, and Marco is the piece we were missing against Miami (an additional ball-handler).Not really.

[UZER]

but, but, but he dunks too much...

yeah, well you can kiss those lobs goodbye in this system.

[yavozerb]

Thomas is not on the roster.

He will be. Will be sent to Austin for the year, but he will make the roster in my opinion. Also, do not count out Bonner playing a little at the 3 spot. Scary I know, but pop played him a little there last season as well.

[FireMicoHalili]

KNEW IT. WE'RE GOING FOR WIGGINS

[kobyz]

Thomas is not on the roster.

he better be if you don't want to lose him for nothing..

[dallasmaverickslose]

I suspect Bonner will be gone to make room for a backup 3. Just a hunch

[timvp]

The Pacers were actually better offensively and defensively with Pendergraph on the court last year (+2.7 points per 100 possessions on offense, +1.4 on defense). While a small sample size, that's impressive considering the Pacers had probably the worst bench in the entire NBA.

For example, Mahinmi made the Pacers 10.9 points worse on offense and 3.7 points worse on defense.

:lol @ Pacers having to let go of a better player in Pendergraph because they stupidly gave big money to Mahinmi.

[manufan10]

he better be if you don't want to lose him for nothing..

The Spurs have his rights, so no one can pick him up if he's assigned to Austin.

[Bill_Brasky]

A bit underwhelming but this is a complete Spurs move. Getting a smart player with upside(who Boylan has worked with and is obvioisly high on). His feet are good, he has decent athleticism as far as finishing and rebounding, and the most important attribute of all: coachability.

Let's hope this is another scrap-heap-turned-solid-role player signing for us. It already feels right.

[ColinB]

wtf you talkin bout

born in Cali went to ASU http://www.thesundevils.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/asu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/pendergraphbio

seems to have a brain in his head got his degree in economics at ASU in less than 4 years while playing ball

I saw Ontario and it's the Spurs, so I tried to put two and two together. :lol Good to know though. Fellow econ grad, cool.

[Jumi]

I like the signing. A taller Blair but with an IQ. This means more rest for Timmy while still being competitive. If he learns the system quickly, I'd say great long term move as well. I've seen him play with Indy. He's not a bad player to have around.

[jimbo]

:lobt2:

WE STACKED

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[fleggy2k2]

wtf you talkin bout

born in Cali went to ASU http://www.thesundevils.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/asu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/pendergraphbio

seems to have a brain in his head got his degree in economics at ASU in less than 4 years while playing ball

he was born in Ontario, CA but yeah I know what you mean

[kobyz]

The Spurs have his rights, so no one can pick him up if he's assigned to Austin.

he will not agree to Austin, he is not the kind of a raw rooke, he is better than Bonner right now...

[Vic Petro]

The Spurs have his rights, so no one can pick him up if he's assigned to Austin.

If Spurs own his rights and assign him to Austin he eats a roster spot. The plan is probably to keep his rights and send him to Europe.

[benefactor]

He will be. Will be sent to Austin for the year, but he will make the roster in my opinion. Also, do not count out Bonner playing a little at the 3 spot. Scary I know, but pop played him a little there last season as well.


he better be if you don't want to lose him for nothing..
There is a solid chance he goes overseas. Remember, the Spurs passed on a player who would not agree to do so.

[elmanutres]

better than some soft ass eurotrash tbh

[benefactor]

Thomas might not even make the team. I don't know why any of you think he's a slam dunk to be on the roster.

[weebo]

So you're saying we'll keep 6 bigs?

Did so last year.

[Mnky]

Young player. Has upside. We have a coach who has experience with him so we have first hand knowledge of what he brings. Obviously wants to improve with the growth he has experienced in limited play time. Plays with confidence and has a fire. He's an athletic big who hussles and loves to run the court. Seeing as how everyone loves small ball these days, I have no doubt his ability to run will make him able to adapt to various rotations on the defense if he takes to the coaching. I like it. Good signing.

[Chinook]

A lot of people may not believe me, but this exactly the type of acquisition I was hoping the team would make. It's great to have another role-player with upside rather than just a vet like Kenyon Martin. While I would rather have had Robinson or Williams, the fact that the coaching staff likes him is really encouraging. It's rare to find a big that has his athleticism that is also a good fit for the Spurs' system. Let's hope they've got one here.

[timvp]

Signing a relatively obscure player like that on July 6th is quite unusual. This kind of low profile player are most of the time signed way later. Spurs, likely with the help of Boylen as others have said, must be really sold on him.

The timing makes me think this contract is NOT a minimum deal. Young players never sign minimum deals this early in the offseason. Unless Pendergraph is in love with Boylen and just wanted to follow him, I think the more likely scenario is the Spurs gave him the rest of the MLE.

Maybe a two year fully guaranteed minimum deal was enough ..... but any bigman who has shown a pulse gets paid more than the minimum.

So, yeah, if this is a minimum deal in which the Spurs view him as a Bonner replacement = Great move

If they gave him MLE money = :depressed

[SenorSpur]

Like him as a reserve big. He obviously has good strength, toughness and athleticism. For a change, the Spurs have a young, legit backup PF, who isn't undersized. I applaud Boylen for drumming up interest in this kid. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him stick with this team, as part of their future. I can see him playing alongside of Baynes, giving the Spurs a tenacious backup PF/C duo, perhaps taking lobs from Cory Joseph. Along with Pendergraph being an unofficial Blair replacement, I guess this would signal the end of any Kenyon Martin interest. Spurs are better off for having gone younger anyway. I hope he eventually pushes Bonner of this roster.

Is the door still ajar for AK7? Did the Spurs get him cheaply or did they have to use part of their MLE?

[YoMamaIsCallin]

he was born in Ontario, CA but yeah I know what you mean

If by CA you mean California then yes correct -- NOT Canada

I said "Cali" meaning California

what's the vector, Victor

[rjv]

A lot of people may not believe me, but this the exactly the type of acquisition I was hoping the team would make. It's great to have another role-player with upside rather than just a vet like Kenyon Martin. While I would rather have had Robinson or Williams, the fact that the coaching staff likes him is really encouraging. It's rare to find a big that has his athleticism that is also a good fit for the Spurs' system. Let's hope they've got one here.

this...and he already has a better jump shot than splitter ever will or blair would ever have had

[DPG21920]

Well hopefully the Spurs FA contract numbers get reported this year

[Vic Petro]

The timing makes me think this contract is NOT a minimum deal. Young players never sign minimum deals this early in the offseason. Unless Pendergraph is in love with Boylen and just wanted to follow him, I think the more likely scenario is the Spurs gave him the rest of the MLE.

Maybe a two year fully guaranteed minimum deal was enough ..... but any bigman who has shown a pulse gets paid more than the minimum.

So, yeah, if this is a minimum deal in which the Spurs view him as a Bonner replacement = Great move

If they gave him MLE money = :depressed

Francisco Garcia just re-signed with Houston for the minimum. Not a big man but I don't think we can draw definitive conclusions based on the timing of the deal. As you mentioned it could just be the guy is hitching his wagons to Boylen. Having a team truly invested in a player's development is half the battle.

[fleggy2k2]

If by CA you mean California then yes correct -- NOT Canada

I said "Cali" meaning California

what's the vector, Victor

damn. roger, Roger. My mistake

[DesignatedT]

Minimum contract please. If so, it looks like a solid signing.

[Mnky]

It's great to have another role-player with upside rather than just a vet like Kenyon Martin. It's rare to find a big that has his athleticism that is also a good fit for the Spurs' system. Let's hope they've got one here.

Exactly. We need Role-Players that compliment the system. We got a strong starting 5 already. How many times did you hear during the playoffs, "With this unit out there, spurs fans are just holding their breath until the starters get back out there." Too many times. I'm not saying this guy is the answer, but it's the right direction. Our second unit was our biggest weakness. I think this off-season has been all about improving that second unit and so far I'm happy. Our First unit took us to the Finals. We're good there. Our second unit needs to improve to allow our boys rest so maybe Timmy has the energy left to make a 5 ft. shot and Tony doesn't pass away the ball every time he touches it in the final 3 minutes.

[Chinook]

The timing makes me think this contract is NOT a minimum deal. Young players never sign minimum deals this early in the offseason. Unless Pendergraph is in love with Boylen and just wanted to follow him, I think the more likely scenario is the Spurs gave him the rest of the MLE.

Maybe a two year fully guaranteed minimum deal was enough ..... but any bigman who has shown a pulse gets paid more than the minimum.

So, yeah, if this is a minimum deal in which the Spurs view him as a Bonner replacement = Great move

If they gave him MLE money = :depressed

On the other hand, if they gave him part of the MLE, then they must REALLY like him. That means he could be in the plans for next season, not just as depth. That would suggest Bonner or Diaw is on the move. They'd only move them to acquire another player like Kirilenko. Maybe a straight trade is coming.

[Jumi]

Like him as a reserve big. He obviously has good strength, toughness and athleticism. For a change, the Spurs have a young, legit backup PF, who isn't undersized. I applaud Boylen for drumming up interest in this kid. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him stick with this team, as part of their future. I can see him playing alongside of Baynes, giving the Spurs a tenacious backup PF/C duo, perhaps taking lobs from Cory Joseph. Along with Pendergraph being an unofficial Blair replacement, I guess this would signal the end of any Kenyon Martin interest. Spurs are better off for having gone younger anyway. I hope he eventually pushes Bonner of this roster.

Is the door still ajar for AK7? Did the Spurs get him cheaply or did they have to use part of their MLE?
If this works out like I think it will, our second unit will be great! Think of the looks Manu gets for Splitter and Blair! This kid can do more! So a second unit of Cojo, Marco, Manu, Pendergraph and Baynes doesn't look to bad.

[mudyez]

I like him

[Darkwaters]

Interesting. He's a decent player who fits as a Blair replacement. His per minute numbers are pretty damn good: 14.1 points, 10.1 rebounds and 1.2 blocks per 36 minutes. If that assistant coach coming over from Indiana is high on him and the Spurs signed him for the minimum, it's a great deal. If the Spurs used the other half of the MLE on him ........ that'll be disappointing.

I've been saying for a couple of days that the Spurs will need to acquire another big somewhere. I figured a league minimum signing was the most likely.

Based on this guy's statistics and games played I can't see this being anything but a minimum signing.

If they did use part of the MLE on him though then this signing has Jackie Butler-like potential. Heres hoping they learned their lesson the first damn time.

[Samr.]

I'm a fan of anyone who gets a fan who calls himself "flo-rida" banned from the playoffs

[Vic Petro]

I would say this def closes the door on Oden, if the door was ever open in the first place.

[biziofromdowntown]

BTW, he has a solid shot but a terrible release

[raybies]

Is the door still ajar for AK7? Did the Spurs get him cheaply or did they have to use part of their MLE?

AK47 is a pipe dream imo. He's a SF that would command a starters salary, is 32, and can't spread the floor as a small ball 4 which is what is most valuable. Also we already have Marco and Manu. That's back up SG and SF. Plus we also have Diaw as a small ball four. If we did get Kirilenko, we would have to make alot of moves and then pay up, more than Diaw. So unless Pop plans on playing Manu as the back up 1, we don't really have space for him.

[Darkwaters]

The timing makes me think this contract is NOT a minimum deal. Young players never sign minimum deals this early in the offseason. Unless Pendergraph is in love with Boylen and just wanted to follow him, I think the more likely scenario is the Spurs gave him the rest of the MLE.


That's my guess.

I mean, we had a similar situation with Danny Green. We bring in Ferry and he talks up this D-Leaguer that he liked in Cleveland. Worked out pretty well.

Now, obviously the correlation isn't perfect. Green had basically no other suitors and was slumming it for the Reno Bighorns. One can assume that Pendergraph could have found a deal worth slightly more. But the Spurs do offer the Boylen connection which may be worth something. And a winning culture is desirable I'm sure. And coming away from a deep playoff run with Indiana he might not have been interested in shifting gears to a long career with the Bobcats or Raptors. Winning is fun.

All said, I think the minimum contract possibility is the most likely.

[Darkwaters]

I would say this def closes the door on Oden, if the door was ever open in the first place.

Ummm, that's a win. Oden is fool's gold, and I doubt the Spurs were ever genuinely interested.

[Mr. Body]

He was in the same draft as DeJuan Blair, right? He went 6 picks before. Not a big deal, I guess, just vaguely interesting.

[tomtom]

Poor-mans Darell Arthur? Hmm I hope Baynes gets more time before him tbh haha

[dallasmaverickslose]

Any particular reason why the Pacers didn't try herder to bring this guy back?

[ElNono]

Another two year deal....

[Prime Time]

Another two year deal....
Spurs going full-tank mode in 2015, tbh.

[Darkwaters]

Another two year deal....

The 2015 plan

[SenorSpur]

If this works out like I think it will, our second unit will be great! Think of the looks Manu gets for Splitter and Blair! This kid can do more! So a second unit of Cojo, Marco, Manu, Pendergraph and Baynes doesn't look to bad.

Amen!

The signing of Pendergraph certainly qualifies as an upgrade to both Bonner and Blair. He's also as good or better than any big that was available to the Spurs via the draft. He languished on a stacked roster in Portland for a couple of years and didn't appear to develop very much. Fortunately, he's still young enough where he can continue to develop and improve, with good coaching. The fact that he's smart, to go along with his already raw, physical skills, is yet another plus. The Spurs finally have a bonafide, legit backup PF. There's no question that he is an upgrade to the second unit. His presence will allow for more rest for the starters during the regular season. There is nothing but upside to this signing. I like it a lot.

[Spurs Brazil]

E-N writers could do some work this offseason and try to get this contract number

[timvp]

Pendergraph is 6-foot-8.75 without shoes so in the NBA world he's 6-foot-10. Add in his 250-pound bulk and he has a chance to play center in San Antonio.

If he pans out, he'll be useful. The Spurs could use a backup PF with bulk -- especially because it is proven Splitter can't rebound when he has smalls around him.

The more I research, the happier I am with this signing. He exhibited some nice perimeter ability last year, which is a big improvement from earlier in his career and will give him a shot to win a spot in the rotation with the Spurs.

Add in that he's a smart guy who is regarded as a good teammate and he looks like an ideal cheap backup bigman prospect.





Now the only question is cost. prayingdog.jpg @ two years at the minimum

[cjw]

wtf you talkin bout

born in Cali went to ASU http://www.thesundevils.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/asu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/pendergraphbio

seems to have a brain in his head got his degree in economics at ASU in less than 4 years while playing ball


He was getting Ontario, CA confused with the Ontario north of us

[Kingsly Alexander]

Who was that? I know Hairston went. Gist went. Temple or Gee?
benefactor

[benefactor]

E-N writers could do some work this offseason and try to get this contract number
Can't remember the last time I went there for Spurs news. I get it from the official or PTR.

[timvp]

Any particular reason why the Pacers didn't try herder to bring this guy back?

They brought in Copeland who they envision to be a backup PF. They're also stuck with Mahinmi and invested a first round pick in Miles Plumlee so they're pretty set with bigmen ... especially since their two starters (West and Hibbert) will play big minutes anyways.

[ElNono]

Just tweeted Woj asking about the money side of the deal... not expecting a reply, tbh...

[benefactor]

Who was that? I know Hairston went. Gist went. Temple or Gee?
benefactor
What are you talking about?

[weebo]

I'm still hopeful the Spurs can snag a back SF (to match up with Durant/James) who can hit an occasional corner 3.

[TheGreatYacht]

Amen!

The signing of Pendergraph certainly qualifies as an upgrade to both Bonner and Blair. He's also as good or better than any big that was available to the Spurs via the draft. He languished on a stacked roster in Portland for a couple of years and didn't appear to develop very much. Fortunately, he's still young enough where he can continue to develop and improve, with good coaching. The fact that he's smart, to go along with his already raw, physical skills, is yet another plus. The Spurs finally have a bonafide, legit backup PF. There's no question that he is an upgrade to the second unit. His presence will allow for more rest for the starters during the regular season. There is nothing but upside to this signing. I like it a lot.Trying to be optimistic? LOL.

[DesignatedT]

Yeah I like the way this guy looks. I just hope it means Bonner is gone.

[TheCerebral1]

A bit more size. I doubt it's for a substancial amount. It could also be a non-guaranteed contract. Have the terms been released?

[DesignatedT]

Can this guy play defense?

[Darkwaters]

There are a few things that are upsetting about the Pendergraph signing.

1) Hes American. We don't sign Americans. We were going for an all foreign team (sans Leonard/Green).
2) He went to the WRONG Arizona school. We don't associate with Arizona State, thank you very much!
3) On the other hand, Marcus Williams was our last kid from Tucson...and that didn't work out so well. Maybe a change is indeed in order.

[tlongII]

I like Pendergraph. We waived him when he blew his knee out, but I would have liked to keep him. He is a mean mofo.

[Spurs Brazil]

Typical McDonald


@JMcDonald_SAEN
Most around league assuming Spurs used part of MLE on Belinelli signing. Would seem to put Kirilenko and FAs of that caliber out of range.

‏@JMcDonald_SAEN
But again, we don't know for sure how the Spurs are organizing their offseason just yet.

:lol

[SenorSpur]

Trying to be optimistic? LOL.

Maybe, but anytime this franchise signs a big, who has the requisite skills that are diametrically different than Bonner's single skill set, THAT is more than enough reason to be optimistic.

[weebo]

I like Pendergraph. We waived him when he blew his knee out, but I would have liked to keep him. He is a mean mofo.

Of course.

[Kingsly Alexander]

Bonner hasn't proven himself in the postseason last three yrs enough to warrant a coveted roster spot.and if pop " had his way" it certainly wouldn't be to keep him, based how he's benched his ass every post season eventually. We need more as much athleticism/grit as we can get to compliment Duncan and surely their be some taker out there for bonner for a late second rounder at the least.

I'm sure with six bigs on the roster the fo will be looking for a back up at sf to compliment our perimeter depth especially if and when we opt to play Kawaii at the 4 with Duncan on the floor. Question is who the hell is left. Dorell wright?

[Chinook]

I like Pendergraph. We waived him when he blew his knee out, but I would have liked to keep him. He is a mean mofo.

Damn, I forgot that he got Blazer'd a couple of years ago. It's good to see him still able to contribute, but I guess that's why he seems to have less athleticism in the Pacer clips.

[Spurs Brazil]

@PaulGarciaPS
Pendergraph made $1.5 mill with the #Pacers last year which I'd assume the 2-year deal is somewhere in the 2.5-3 mill price range.

[kobyz]

he played with Harden at Arizona State!!!

[TheGreatYacht]

Maybe, but anytime this franchise signs a big, who has the requisite skills that are diametrically different than Bonner's single skill set, THAT is more than enough reason to be optimistic.I suppose you're right. Matt Bonner is pathetic on defense.

[Chinook]

@PaulGarciaPS
Pendergraph made $1.5 mill with the #Pacers last year which I'd assume the 2-year deal is somewhere in the 2.5-3 mill price range.

Probably the MLE then. Still time to change that, though.

[elec99]

I see this as Blair replacement, can't see popletting Bonner go.
Considering how close we were I expected minute tweaks, not major moves.
Pendergraph , baynes , Marco will get first training camp
Backup 3 yet to be resolved

[Sean Cagney]

Eh, decent depth and development signing. Did make 2/4 3s last year.

Somehow feels like a prelude to bigger move.

LOL bigger move? No it's not, this is the Spurs.

[raybies]

I'm still hopeful the Spurs can snag a back SF (to match up with Durant/James) who can hit an occasional corner 3.

Sam Young?

[Kingsly Alexander]

In ref. to ur post on how a player wouldn't opt to go overseas to play in Europe for us. I was trying to ask who was that? benefactor

[DesignatedT]

Any chance this guy play in Summer League :lol

[Baam]

Bonner hasn't proven himself in the postseason last three yrs enough to warrant a coveted roster spot.and if pop " had his way" it certainly wouldn't be to keep him, based how he's benched his ass every post season eventually. We need more as much athleticism/grit as we can get to compliment Duncan and surely their be some taker out there for bonner for a late second rounder at the least.

I'm sure with six bigs on the roster the fo will be looking for a back up at sf to compliment our perimeter depth especially if and when we opt to play Kawaii at the 4 with Duncan on the floor. Question is who the hell is left. Dorell wright?

Bonner still outplayed Splitter the last three offseasons so...

[ironman2886]

Of course.
:lol

[Obstructed_View]

Bonner still outplayed Splitter the last three offseasons so...

Bonner is, by far, the superior offseason player.

[benefactor]

Duncan needs more rest than ever, so the more bigs that can eat minutes effectively the better.

Also...my plan is still in motion to acquire MWP when he is amnestied. :hat

[Darkwaters]

Bonner still outplayed Splitter the last three offseasons so...

Ummm, no, not really.

You really don't want to be caught on the side of praising Bonner's playoff performances. The supporting documentation just isn't there.

[DesignatedT]

Bonner is, by far, the superior offseason player.

:lol

[CGD]

Typical McDonald



:lol

Talk about the art of saying nothing. So his signing for part of the MLE... unless he's not...

[Kingsly Alexander]

Bonner still outplayed Splitter the last three offseasons so...
ha!

[Darkwaters]

Bonner is, by far, the superior offseason player.

http://500motivators.com/plog-content/thumbs/motivate/me/large/44-oh-i-see-what-you-did-there.jpg

[UZER]

Finally the type of player I've been craving. An athletic big that can play strong on the weak side when going for rebounds and blocks. Also finally a role playing big who finishes around the basket strong with purpose. This is what I meant by wanting an Stateside big, not another euro softie big. Dudes not a star, but on this team he just has to come in with toughness for a few minutes a game.

Maybe Pop finally saw the type of impact a player like Birdman can have with pure hustle, energy and toughness, instead of just corporate knowledge players who just "know the system" but shy away.

Edit: :lol pop recognizing. Who am I kidding?

[benefactor]

In ref. to ur post on how a player wouldn't opt to go overseas to play in Europe for us. I was trying to ask who was that? benefactor
I was referring to this years draft. They were going to draft someone with the 58th pick but the player informed the Spurs that he would not be willing to go overseas...which is why they took Thomas instead.

[Baam]

Bonner is also the superior postseason player :lol. That's the truth T-Vag lovers...

[fleggy2k2]

Ummm, no, not really.

You really don't want to be caught on the side of praising Bonner's playoff performances. The supporting documentation just isn't there.

offseason was the operative word

[Solid D]

Now the only question is cost. prayingdog.jpg @ two years at the minimum

Interesting signing. This may not not be a fully guaranteed contract. I recall 4 years ago, the Spurs announced an agreement with Marcus Haislip the day after July 4th holiday. That turned out to be not fully guaranteed, even though it was crafted early in the FA signing period.

Back then, people wondered if the Spurs used part of their MLE to sign him, if I recall.

[Mel_13]

I'll echo the prevailing sentiment, great for the minimum, not so great for the MLE.

It's entirely likely that this it for free agency:

1. Spurs bring back 12 of the 15 players on the playoff roster.

2. Neal, Blair, and TMac are the only players who do not return.

3. The MLE is split between a Neal replacement (Beli) and a Blair replacement (Pendergraph).

4. 15th roster spot does not get filled any earlier than the end of training camp.

5. ST uses the :bang emoticon so frequently that it has to be retired.

[Kingsly Alexander]

I was referring to this years draft. They were going to draft someone with the 58th pick but the player informed the Spurs that he would not be willing to go overseas...which is why they took Thomas instead.

Is that just hearsay, or was there a particular player who said they wouldn't? For curiosity's sake

[TheCerebral1]

Typical McDonald



:lol

That second quote is so awesome. Great stuff!

[Darkwaters]

offseason was the operative word

Caught that after the fact.

[benefactor]

Is that just hearsay, or was there a particular player who said they wouldn't? For curiosity's sake
I remember a legit source reporting it. You can go through the draft thread if you want and look for it.

[Kingsly Alexander]

Props
Obstructed_view

[Darkwaters]

Interesting signing. This may not not be a fully guaranteed contract. I recall 4 years ago, the Spurs announced an agreement with Marcus Haislip the day after July 4th holiday. That turned out to be not fully guaranteed, even though it was crafted early in the FA signing period.

Back then, people wondered if the Spurs used part of their MLE to sign him, if I recall.

The difference with Haislip was that he was a guy trying to get back into the league after having busted and moved to Europe. He felt that the Spurs were the best chance to find a fit in the league, and the money wasn't as big of a player so much as the opportunity of a future in the NBA.

Although, one could argue the same point on Mr. Pendergraph, considering his slight use the last few years. Still, I think they're apples and oranges.

Solid D, that's a really nice comparison though. Good call.

[benefactor]

I'll echo the prevailing sentiment, great for the minimum, not so great for the MLE.

It's entirely likely that this it for free agency:

1. Spurs bring back 12 of the 15 players on the playoff roster.

2. Neal, Blair, and TMac are the only players who do not return.

3. The MLE is split between a Neal replacement (Beli) and a Blair replacement (Pendergraph).

4. 15th roster spot does not get filled any earlier than the end of training camp.

5. ST uses the emoticon :bang so frequently that it has to be retired.
I was just about to post something similar to this. The Spurs replaced the players they lost and beyond trying to find a cheap player to eat minutes at backup SF, that will likely be the offseason. Perhaps they surprise us with a trade for that SF replacement.

[raybies]

I'll echo the prevailing sentiment, great for the minimum, not so great for the MLE.

It's entirely likely that this it for free agency:

1. Spurs bring back 12 of the 15 players on the playoff roster.

2. Neal, Blair, and TMac are the only players who do not return.

3. The MLE is split between a Neal replacement (Beli) and a Blair replacement (Pendergraph).

4. 15th roster spot does not get filled any earlier than the end of training camp.

5. ST uses the emoticon :bang so frequently that it has to be retired.

I can see the Spurs trying to get a pick or maybe a player for Gary in a sign and trade.

[Obstructed_View]

Is that just hearsay, or was there a particular player who said they wouldn't? For curiosity's sake

James Southerland.

[Mel_13]

I can see the Spurs trying to get a pick or maybe a player for Gary in a sign and trade.

True. Neal is still a potential trade asset, as is Blair

[Kingsly Alexander]

Props
Obstructed_view
Damn I'm having a hard time getting this quote thing down. Pardon me. It's been happy hour since 10.00

[3 Legged Dog]

Between those two I would say it's Bonner.

I would sure hope that it's Bonner.

[palangi]

I believe that we will package de colo with either bonner or diaw for a backup 3/4 type player.

[Darkwaters]

True. Neal is still a potential trade asset, as is Blair

Neal has tremendously more value than Blair at this point.

Blair would be best served signing a deal with the right kind of team, even if that contract is substantially less than hes being offered elsewhere.

[Kingsly Alexander]

True. Neal is still a potential trade asset, as is Blair
Blair is unrestricted, no?

[Mel_13]

Blair is unrestricted, no?

He is, but he can part of a sign and trade that brings back an asset to the Spurs.

[Chinook]

Damn I'm having a hard time getting this quote thing down. Pardon me. It's been happy hour since 10.00

Right now, you're tagging people in posts (which is called a mention here) instead of quoting them. Under each post on the right should be three options. Click 'Reply with Quote' to quote the post you're referencing. That way, people know what you're talking about.

[benefactor]

Neal is probably the best option from a S&T standpoint. Teams always need shooting.

[MR-Clutch]

The timing makes me think this contract is NOT a minimum deal. Young players never sign minimum deals this early in the offseason. Unless Pendergraph is in love with Boylen and just wanted to follow him, I think the more likely scenario is the Spurs gave him the rest of the MLE.

Maybe a two year fully guaranteed minimum deal was enough ..... but any bigman who has shown a pulse gets paid more than the minimum.

So, yeah, if this is a minimum deal in which the Spurs view him as a Bonner replacement = Great move

If they gave him MLE money = :depressed

So is it a given that bellis contract came from the mle and not the room exception?

[Chinook]

Neal is probably the best option from a S&T standpoint. Teams always need shooting.

The only bad thing is that the trade exception for him will be for only half of his salary, since he'll be a BYC player. So, for example, if he gets a deal that starts at $4 Million, the Spurs get a trade exception for $2 Million. The same thing goes for Blair, although maybe not.

[Mel_13]

Neal has tremendously more value than Blair at this point.

Blair would be best served signing a deal with the right kind of team, even if that contract is substantially less than hes being offered elsewhere.

We were talking about S&Ts. If a team wants to sign Neal or Blair, but wants to retain full use of their cap exceptions, they can execute a S&T with the Spurs. The Spurs then sign the player using the Bird exception and get some compensation from the other team for allowing them to get the player without using any of their own exceptions. That compensation could be a player that meets the trade rules, or a TE plus a pick or a stashed former pick. Something like that.

[timvp]

Coming off a blown ACL, Pendergraph landed a two-year, $3 million with the Pacers. If he got the minimum with the Spurs, it'd be a pretty drastic pay cut: two years and ~$1.9 million.

Getting him for that would be really nice, obviously.

Why is it that the one player signed this offseason without anyone breaking his contract details instantly has to be a Spur? :lol

[CGD]

Neal is probably the best option from a S&T standpoint. Teams always need shooting.

So this is interesting. Let's asume Neal gets an offer of 4M (i think the spurs would've match it was less), and then they conduct an "empty" S&T yielding the Spurs a TE in that amount.

How does that impact the possibility of getting a player like AK?
Can I still assume that one of Belli or Pende would being singed with he room exception and the other with cap space?

[MannyIsGod]

No way its for the min, IMO. Everyone wanting it to be for the min is really wishfully grasping at straws. It doesn't make sense that he'd leave that money on the table at this point int he offseason. Pendergraph could get a min contract a month from now so why accept an offer for the min right now? Does he want to play for the Spurs that bad to leave a couple of mil on the table? I really really doubt that.

I can't see much of a realistic chance this is for the min.

[DesignatedT]

No way its for the min, IMO. Everyone wanting it to be for the min is really wishfully grasping at straws. It doesn't make sense that he'd leave that money on the table at this point int he offseason. Pendergraph could get a min contract a month from now so why accept an offer for the min right now? Does he want to play for the Spurs that bad to leave a couple of mil on the table? I really really doubt that.

I can't see much of a realistic chance this is for the min.

Probably right. Only thing is he might have a super close relationship with Boylen and was willing to come here for anything.

[CGD]

The only bad thing is that the trade exception for him will be for only half of his salary, since he'll be a BYC player. So, for example, if he gets a deal that starts at $4 Million, the Spurs get a trade exception for $2 Million. The same thing goes for Blair, although maybe not.

Could you explain this? Not clear why the TE would only be for half the new contract salary.

[DPG21920]

Coming off a blown ACL, Pendergraph landed a two-year, $3 million with the Pacers. If he got the minimum with the Spurs, it'd be a pretty drastic pay cut: two years and ~$1.9 million.

Getting him for that would be really nice, obviously.

Why is it that the one player signed this offseason without anyone breaking his contract details instantly has to be a Spur? :lol

That's what I said. Even Beli is not reported as a final number (Woj said 2 year about 6M, not details on what the Spurs will use although it could be a fluid thing).

[Chinook]

Could you explain this? Not clear why the TE would only be for half the new K salary.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q87


87. What is "Base Year Compensation?" How does it affect trades?

Base Year Compensation (BYC) is mostly an artifact of previous collective bargaining agreements. Its intent was to prevent teams from signing free agents to new contracts with salaries specifically intended to help facilitate trades. BYC was triggered when a team was over the cap and re-signed a player using the Larry Bird or Early Bird exception with a raise over 20%. Once triggered, BYC temporarily lowered the player's salary for salary-matching purposes (only), and therefore reduced or eliminated teams' ability to target salaries for trade purposes.

The 2011 CBA mostly eliminated BYC -- in fact, the term "Base Year Compensation" was removed from the agreement entirely. The rules formerly known as BYC now apply under just one circumstance -- during sign-and-trade transactions (see question number 89 (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89)). If a team is over the cap and re-signs its Larry Bird or Early Bird free agent with a raise greater than 20%, in order to trade the player in a sign-and-trade arrangement, then the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes is either his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. The team receiving the player always uses his new salary.

For example, a player made $5 million last season, is a Larry Bird free agent, and re-signs with his previous team (which is a taxpayer and therefore well over the cap) for $10 million. The signing is part of a sign-and-trade with another team, for that team's $10 million player. Since the conditions were satisfied the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes is $5 million. This trade would not be allowed, even though the players' new salaries match, since a taxpaying team cannot trade a $5 million player for a $10 million player. The highest salary this team could acquire in a sign-and-trade arrangement is $6.35 million1.

Once a sign-and-trade is complete, the player's actual salary is included in his new team's team salary.In lieu of the previous BYC rules for ordinary trades, teams are now prohibited from trading players for three months or until January 15 (whichever is later) when the signing satisfies the BYC critieria2 (see question number 98 (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q98)).

[raybies]

The more i see this unfolding it's beginning to look like they are trying to keep their options open for as long as possible with the hopes to attain a quality player. The Marco move right around the room exception announced early. Even a Pendergraph signing... Most likely is the MLE money being split but unless the Spurs can get that "player" it looks like this is pretty much the team.

So the Spurs have gotten a SG and a insurance policy big imo. That way him and Baynes have competition for those 12-20 minutes. So that takes us out of the Greg Oden talks, Kenyon Martin and other big talks. Leaves us looking for a 3RD string SF and possibly a backup PG as the only realistic options considering our roster.

My guess would be Sam Young, Darren Collison if its an option any more, and waiting it out till training camp for 1.

Most likely a back up 3 if we do make a move cause we already got Nando,Mills, and Joseph fighting for the backup 1 duties.

[Bruno]

If Pendergraph is signed with a part of the MLE, it would be weird that Spurs spend their MLE on players that doesn't fit their biggest need (a backup SF). Belinelli will be the 3rd string SG behind Green/Ginobili and Spurs had other options to play SG like De Colo. Pendergraph will be potentially the 4th string PF behind Duncan, Diaw and Bonner. Spending $5.15M on 3rd/4th stringers while you don't have a true backup SF is a strange move.

[DPG21920]

This would be an incredibly underwhelming off season. If the Spurs are using MLE, then they have no reason to amnesty Bonner. If they have no reason to amnesty Bonner, then why do you need someone like Pendergraph who has not stuck anywhere when you already have a big rotation of Tim/Tiago/Boris/Bonner/Baynes? Is the 6th big really worth part of the MLE when at the moment it looks as if he will never play?

Why bring over Baynes mid-season, give him guaranteed money, just to pull in someone who is likely not that great and is paid more money?

Also, while most think Beli is an upgrade over Neal, even that is questionable. So if this is the off season, you can not say with any sort of certainty at all that the Spurs even improved slightly at the moment.

[DesignatedT]

Most likely is the MLE money being split but unless the Spurs can get that "player" it looks like this is pretty much the team.

Possible. Spurs could have an offer out to AK but don't know if he's going to accept. If he does then they can make the proper adjustments and sign Belinelli with the RE and AK and Pendergraph with cap room and if AK declines then they can just use the MLE on the above two guys.

[ElNono]

This would be an incredibly underwhelming off season. If the Spurs are using MLE, then they have no reason to amnesty Bonner. If they have no reason to amnesty Bonner, then why do you need someone like Pendergraph who has not stuck anywhere when you already have a big rotation of Tim/Tiago/Boris/Bonner/Baynes? Is the 6th big really worth part of the MLE when at the moment it looks as if he will never play?

Perhaps they're thinking using Bonner/DeColo on a trade?

[Darius McCrary]

Why is this bad of we used the MLE on him?

[spurraider21]

:lobt2:

[Mel_13]

If Pendergraph is signed with a part of the MLE, it would be weird that Spurs spend their MLE on players that doesn't fit their biggest need (a backup SF). Belinelli will be the 3rd string SG behind Green/Ginobili and Spurs had other options to play SG like De Colo. Pendergraph will be potentially the 4th string PF behind Duncan, Diaw and Bonner. Spending $5.15M on 3rd/4th stringers while you don't have a true backup SF is a strange move.

If they don't sign a true backup SF, then Belinelli isn't a 3rd stringer. He's part of a 4-man wing rotation with Leonard, Green, and Manu. Basically, the role Neal filled from the moment they cut Jackson. We may not like it, but that may be the plan.

[MannyIsGod]

Why is this bad of we used the MLE on him?

Because then we have nothing left but minimum contracts to offer players. It pretty much signals an end to any meaningful moves.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Perhaps they're thinking using Bonner/DeColo on a trade?

If we traded De Colo, wouldn't we have to get another PG? We'd only have Parker and CoJo. Don't think Manu will be playing the point a whole lot anymore, tbh.

[CGD]

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q87

OK, but that states that one of the requirements for BYC treatment is that the re-signing team be over the cap. Depending on the ordering of deal signing, is it still not possible that the Spurs can be under the cap when a hypothetical S&T for Neal takes place?

[ElNono]

Possible. Spurs could have an offer out to AK but don't know if he's going to accept. If he does then they can make the proper adjustments and sign Belinelli with the RE and AK and Pendergraph with cap room and if AK declines then they can just use the MLE on the above two guys.

IMO, as far as the AK situation is concerned, the Spurs are looking for 2 year deals, and AK opted out because he wants a long term deal... just speculation, but I suspect the AK boat might've sailed a long time ago, we just never knew.

[apalisoc_9]

If Pendergraph is signed with a part of the MLE, it would be weird that Spurs spend their MLE on players that doesn't fit their biggest need (a backup SF). Belinelli will be the 3rd string SG behind Green/Ginobili and Spurs had other options to play SG like De Colo. Pendergraph will be potentially the 4th string PF behind Duncan, Diaw and Bonner. Spending $5.15M on 3rd/4th stringers while you don't have a true backup SF is a strange move.

Yeah it donest make sense, unless this team wants to squeeze dry kawhi leonard in the regular season playing both SF and Small ball PF, they really really need an SF. I was really hoping for Garcia or wright since i've lost belief in the spurs trying to acquire AK47, sadly that's already out of the question now as well.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Brutal offseason

[DPG21920]

Why is this bad of we used the MLE on him?

Because that means the Spurs used the MLE on Belinelli as well and there is no more money to add any other players.

Losing Blair/Neal to replace them with Beli/Pendergraph doesn't really do anything and you have used over 5M to do nothing essentially.

[Darkwaters]

I wonder if RC Buford comes and reads these threads just so he can laugh at all of our scheming and attempts to figure out his master plan.

[MannyIsGod]

If they don't sign a true backup SF, then Belinelli isn't a 3rd stringer. He's part of a 4-man wing rotation with Leonard, Green, and Manu. Basically, the role Neal filled from the moment they cut Jackson. We may not like it, but that may be the plan.

Pop may be planning to play the shit out of Kawhi these upcoming seasons. If thats the case they may not feel a backup SF to play 6-8 minutes a game is a necessity.

[Chinook]

OK, but that states that one of the requirements for BYC treatment is that the re-signing team be over the cap. Depending on the ordering of deal signing, is it still not possible that the Spurs can be under the cap when a hypothetical S&T for Neal takes place?

Nope. Once a team goes under the cap, they lose their exceptions for the rest of the season. So if they want to use the MLE, they have to stay over the cap.

[T Park]

They upgrade two bench spots. Spurstalk bitches.


What a shock.

[Darius McCrary]

Because that means the Spurs used the MLE on Belinelli as well and there is no more money to add any other players.

Losing Blair/Neal to replace them with Beli/Pendergraph doesn't really do anything and you have used over 5M to do nothing essentially.

We were going to have to sign players anyways, even if wet brought back Blair and neal, money would have had to be spent somewhere

[ElNono]

If we traded De Colo, wouldn't we have to get another PG? We'd only have Parker and CoJo. Don't think Manu will be playing the point a whole lot anymore, tbh.

I see frustration in your future, tbh.... :lol

[Chinook]

Just bring back James Anderson.

[Mel_13]

Why is this bad of we used the MLE on him?

That would mean that any further changes would be through trades or vet minimum signings. All speculation about any significant free agent signing would be over.

[palangi]

here are a few SF backups i think we could trade for with de colo and bonner.

chris singleton
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6470/chris-singleton
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Singleton-1342/

jan vessley
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4165/jan-vesely
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jan-Vesely-1402/

washington just drafted otto porter and glen rice. plus they already have a bunch of bigs

tobias harris
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6440/tobias-harris
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tobias-Harris-5740/

orlando has moe harkless, andrew nicholson, al harrington, and just drafted osby.

[MannyIsGod]

There is an option that Pendergraph is taking the room exception and then the Spurs are splitting possible cap space with Marco and someone else. So even if he didn't take a min contract I guess it doesn't mean that the Spurs are out of options but it does mean there will be no AK47. You would still amnesty Bonner and trade away one of the points.

[DPG21920]

We were going to have to sign players anyways, even if wet brought back Blair and neal, money would have had to be spent somewhere

Well, technically, that is one way to look at it. Long story short if you think there is no big deal with spending 5M on back up role players that arguably don't improve your team at all, that's fine. I just disagree.

[DesignatedT]

Maybe the Spurs will match Neals contract and get rid of Mills and De Colo :lol

[T Park]

Btw when Kawhi gets healthy, he's gonna play 38 to 40 mins a night with plays run through him. Makes a backup SF worthless.

So they looked at who would play minute, replace Neal with a taller, better player, then improve your big man depth.

Not that hard to see.

[DesignatedT]

There is an option that Pendergraph is taking the room exception and then the Spurs are splitting possible cap space with Marco and someone else. So even if he didn't take a min contract I guess it doesn't mean that the Spurs are out of options but it does mean there will be no AK47. You would still amnesty Bonner and trade away one of the points.

True.

[apalisoc_9]

Pop may be planning to play the shit out of Kawhi these upcoming seasons. If thats the case they may not feel a backup SF to play 6-8 minutes a game is a necessity.

I know kawhi is young, but this is way too risky...

[Darius McCrary]

Well, technically, that is one way to look at it. Long story short if you think there is no big deal with spending 5M on back up role players that arguably don't improve your team at all, that's fine. I just disagree.

What else was the money going to be spent on, did people really believe we were gonna get some big name? Spurs thrive on depth, and once again we'll have it in spades.

[Darkwaters]

If we traded De Colo, wouldn't we have to get another PG? We'd only have Parker and CoJo. Don't think Manu will be playing the point a whole lot anymore, tbh.

A minimum signing can resolve that easily enough. If CoJo really is our backup then all we're talking about is a 3rd stringer.

[objective]

What a crap offseason.

Don't care for the move. Worse than Blair. Not better at center than Baynes. Still leaves a big hole at back-up SF. And smallball 4. Way to run Leonard into the ground when he already missed a significant number of games with unexpected knee issues.

Don't drink and sign. Give up the pen and paper. Don't drink and sign.

[DesignatedT]

Is Kawhi definitely playing for USA basketball this Summer? I hope he doesn't.

[Texas_Ranger]

if this is it for the Spurs offseason moves then it is fucking pathetic.

[apalisoc_9]

Is Kawhi definitely playing for USA basketball this Summer? I hope he doesn't.

I doubt he'd make it.

he'd be in the training camp, but that's no longer than 4 days.

[DPG21920]

What else was the money going to be spent on, did people really believe we were gonna get some big name? Spurs thrive on depth, and once again we'll have it in spades.

Well, Blair for one has done way more in the NBA and been more productive on winning teams than Pendergraph. Just having players doesn't mean you have depth. They have to be good. Spurs already have a ton of guard depth that have all shown good abilities.

It's not that the players the Spurs got are terrible, its just not good business to spend money on questionable back ups when there are other needs pressing and when those back ups cant realistically be counted on as of yet to improve your areas of weakness.

[Bruno]

And it's unreal to have Spurs beat writer speculating like a fan about financial teams of a contract. It's his job to move his ass and seek contract details by using his sources. McDonald has covered Spurs for 6 years, it's pathetic that he hasn't develop some kind of contacts within Spurs organization to communicat on these details.

Worst beat writer ever. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

This is such a typical Spurs offseason so far and people are still pissed about it who have been through a bunch of them. You guy need to learn to expect this.

[palangi]

If we traded De Colo, wouldn't we have to get another PG? We'd only have Parker and CoJo. Don't think Manu will be playing the point a whole lot anymore, tbh.
we still have patty mills as the 3rd PG. I think they are expecting cojo to take another big step forward to be that solid backup PG.

[DPG21920]

Is Kawhi definitely playing for USA basketball this Summer? I hope he doesn't.

I think it depends on the knee, but from what I last read he is.

[CGD]

Nope. Once a team goes under the cap, they lose their exceptions for the rest of the season. So if they want to use the MLE, they have to stay over the cap.

I get the whole MLE v. cap-space thing. I'm wondering whether it is possible to sign one of Pendegraph/Belli with cap-space (and the other with the room), and still be able to conduct a S&T. By my count even with a non-amnestied Bonner, the Spurs still have about 2.5M in cap space assuming the cap is set at the $58.6M figure that folks have tossed around.

What am I missing?

[Darius McCrary]

We added a young lanky pf, who more than likely is an improvement over Blair, and will also more than likely help man the ship when Pop babies Duncan and/or Tiago next season. Having decent players on the bench can help us win a few more games, which could possible mean a 1 seed, which is a major factor of us losing in the finals.

I'm more worried about the Marco signing than this.

[ElNono]

And it's unreal to have Spurs beat writer speculating like a fan about financial teams of a contract. It's his job to move his ass and seek contract details by using his sources. McDonald has covered Spurs for 6 years, it's pathetic that he hasn't develop some kind of contacts within Spurs organization to communicat on these details.

Worst beat writer ever. :lol

Yeah, you have to wonder how embarrassed he has to feel whenever he has to write "Yahoo! Sports first reported the deal"...

[Mel_13]

Is Kawhi definitely playing for USA basketball this Summer? I hope he doesn't.

They're just having a short camp. There's no tournament for them to play this summer (already qualified for 2014 by virtue of the 2012 gold). Even so, Leonard said that he would prioritize any required treatment on his knee over USA basketball.

[benefactor]

...and here come the emotional, still got tears in my eyes like a teenage girl responses.

[apalisoc_9]

And it's unreal to have Spurs beat writer speculating like a fan about financial teams of a contract. It's his job to move his ass and seek contract details by using his sources. McDonald has covered Spurs for 6 years, it's pathetic that he hasn't develop some kind of contacts within Spurs organization to communicat on these details.

Worst beat writer ever. :lol

Yeah makes it really tough for spursfan and the your typical cliff jumping fans :lol

[Bruno]

If they don't sign a true backup SF, then Belinelli isn't a 3rd stringer. He's part of a 4-man wing rotation with Leonard, Green, and Manu. Basically, the role Neal filled from the moment they cut Jackson. We may not like it, but that may be the plan.

With their current roster, it's obvious they will play a lot of 3 guards lineup but it doesn't change that it makes no sense to have a SG as main addition of the summer.

[CGD]

There is an option that Pendergraph is taking the room exception and then the Spurs are splitting possible cap space with Marco and someone else. So even if he didn't take a min contract I guess it doesn't mean that the Spurs are out of options but it does mean there will be no AK47. You would still amnesty Bonner and trade away one of the points.

This is what I'm thinking as well.

[ElNono]

:lmao

This is such a typical Spurs offseason so far and people are still pissed about it who have been through a bunch of them. You guy need to learn to expect this.

:lol exactly... but just like every offseason, the wrist-cutting was expected too, tbh

[DPG21920]

:lmao

This is such a typical Spurs offseason so far and people are still pissed about it who have been through a bunch of them. You guy need to learn to expect this.

Most of us are just discussing the what-if's until we know the details. In the end, all of these moves may make a lot more sense.

[bklynspursfan]

He seems happy to be here... Happy enough to take min? :lol

Jeff Pendergraph ‏@TheRealJP31 (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31)9m (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31/status/353584606177529857)
Can anybody create an avatar 4 me?? Would love to see myself in a Spurs uniform.


Jeff Pendergraph ‏@TheRealJP31 (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31)50m (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31/status/353574467101917185)
So Tim Duncan isn't on Twitter???


Jeff Pendergraph ‏@TheRealJP31 (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31)53m (https://twitter.com/TheRealJP31/status/353573704728449024)
Wanna see myself in a Spurs shirt. Send me pics Spurs fans!!!!

[fleggy2k2]

If Pendergraph is signed with a part of the MLE, it would be weird that Spurs spend their MLE on players that doesn't fit their biggest need (a backup SF). Belinelli will be the 3rd string SG behind Green/Ginobili and Spurs had other options to play SG like De Colo. Pendergraph will be potentially the 4th string PF behind Duncan, Diaw and Bonner. Spending $5.15M on 3rd/4th stringers while you don't have a true backup SF is a strange move.

This. The timing of these moves and the moves themselves seems counter intuitive. Then again, the Spurs FO can enigmatically be counter intuitive at times. IDK, this and the smudginess of the particulars of Belli/Pend's contracts make me inclined to believe otherwise.

The signings came out of nowhere, as well. I don't recall hearing any rumors of Marco or Pendergraph prior to their signings. Hopefully there's more things brewing but at this point, it's like the Schrodinger's Spurs; the offseason can be both alive and dead.

[benefactor]

:lmao

This is such a typical Spurs offseason so far and people are still pissed about it who have been through a bunch of them. You guy need to learn to expect this.
Finals emotions still hanging on. My 14yr old daughter gets over things faster.

[Darkwaters]

And it's unreal to have Spurs beat writer speculating like a fan about financial teams of a contract. It's his job to move his ass and seek contract details by using his sources. McDonald has covered Spurs for 6 years, it's pathetic that he hasn't develop some kind of contacts within Spurs organization to communicat on these details.

Worst beat writer ever. :lol

We were spoiled with Ludden, but McDonald sure does suck.

[MR-Clutch]

Btw when Kawhi gets healthy
speaking of this, does anyone know what stage of jumpers knee Kawhi has? I'd be worried if it was 3 or 4.