Lebron's back to back vs Kobe's back to back titles.

[RsxPiimp]

Which player had the better post season run? Better finals performance?

GO!

[Bynumite]

What about the cuck's back to back?

Oh... my bad :lmao

[whitemamba]

What about the cuck's back to back?

Oh... my bad :lmao
coldddddd :lmao

[AchillesHeel]

LeBron James: Playoffs Per Game (2011-12 to 2012-13)


From
To
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2012
2013
46
46
42.2
10.1
20.3
.496
1.3
3.9
.320
6.7
8.9
.756
2.0
7.1
9.1
6.1
1.8
0.7
3.3
2.0
28.1



Do I have to post Kirby's 09-10 playoff stats? I don't think so.

[Phillip]

Lebron, not even close.

He put his team on his back in each of those runs in a way that I have never seen Kobe do.

[RsxPiimp]

LeBron James: Playoffs Per Game (2011-12 to 2012-13)


From
To
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2012
2013
46
46
42.2
10.1
20.3
.496
1.3
3.9
.320
6.7
8.9
.756
2.0
7.1
9.1
6.1
1.8
0.7
3.3
2.0
28.1



Do I have to post Kirby's 09-10 playoff stats? I don't think so.

Please post for reference. I'm pretty sure the numbers are real close. Thanks.

[AchillesHeel]

Ok, Kirby wasn't too bad

Kobe Bryant: Playoffs Per Game (2008-09 to 2009-10)


From
To
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2009
2010
46
46
40.5
10.3
22.6
.457
1.9
5.2
.363
7.1
8.3
.863
1.0
4.7
5.7
5.5
1.5
0.8
3.0
2.9
29.7

[RsxPiimp]

Lebron, not even close.

He put his team on his back in each of those runs in a way that I have never seen Kobe do.

Lebron sucked against Indiana and was a no show in 4 games in the 2013 Finals. :lol

[Ashy Larry]

kinda hard to beat going 70 and 20+ in back-to-back elimination games .........

[whitemamba]

2008-09 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2009/)
30
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2009.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009.html)
SG
23
23
40.9
10.5
23.0
.457
1.6
4.6
.349
7.6
8.6
.883
0.8
4.5
5.3
5.5
1.7
0.9
2.6
2.6
30.2


2009-10 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2010/)
31
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2010.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html)
SG
23
23
40.1
10.2
22.2
.458
2.1
5.7
.374
6.7
8.0
.842
1.1
4.9
6.0
5.5
1.3
0.7
3.4
3.3
29.2



Kobe .

[Phillip]

Lebron sucked against Indiana and was a no show in 4 games in the 2013 Finals. :lol

Actually, statistically, he didn't have a bad series at all against Indy. Indy was simply a bad matchup for Miami, as was San Antonio.

And after what he did in games 6 and 7, the whole "no show" argument is meaningless.

[RsxPiimp]

kinda hard to beat going 70 and 20+ in back-to-back elimination games .........

Huh?

[Phillip]

Really, Kobe in his 2 runs had a more complete team than Lebron did. They didn't have to worry about bad matchups or anything.

Do you really think if you replace Lebron with Kobe, that the Heat win back to back? They don't win at all.

[AchillesHeel]

2008-09 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2009/)
30
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2009.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009.html)
SG
23
23
40.9
10.5
23.0
.457
1.6
4.6
.349
7.6
8.6
.883
0.8
4.5
5.3
5.5
1.7
0.9
2.6
2.6
30.2


2009-10 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2010/)
31
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2010.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html)
SG
23
23
40.1
10.2
22.2
.458
2.1
5.7
.374
6.7
8.0
.842
1.1
4.9
6.0
5.5
1.3
0.7
3.4
3.3
29.2




Here comes the kryptonite for every Kirby fan, ADVANCED STATS

Kobe Bryant: Advanced (2008-09 to 2009-10)


From
To
G
MP
PER
TS%
eFG%
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg
OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48


2009
2010
155
5795
23.1
.554
.495
3.3
12.5
8.0
23.8
2.1
0.8
10.5
32.2
112
105
14.1
8.0
22.1
.183


LeBron James: Advanced (2011-12 to 2012-13)


From
To
G
MP
PER
TS%
eFG%
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg
OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48


2012
2013
138
5203
31.2
.624
.580
4.7
20.3
12.9
35.2
2.5
1.8
12.8
31.0
122
99
24.6
9.2
33.8
.311

[Ashy Larry]

Huh?

talking about James's Game 6 and Game 7 performances in 2013.

As a whole, numbers will probably say James.

[RsxPiimp]

Actually, statistically, he didn't have a bad series at all against Indy. Indy was simply a bad matchup for Miami, as was San Antonio.

And after what he did in games 6 and 7, the whole "no show" argument is meaningless.

Ray Allen basically saved Lebron from the embarassment in game 6. Let's not act like he carried the Heat in game 6, son.

[whitemamba]

Here comes the kryptonite for every Kirby fan, ADVANCED STATS

Kobe Bryant: Advanced (2008-09 to 2009-10)




From
To
G
MP
PER
TS%
eFG%
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg
OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48


2009
2010
155
5795
23.1
.554
.495
3.3
12.5
8.0
23.8
2.1
0.8
10.5
32.2
112
105
14.1
8.0
22.1
.183


LeBron James: Advanced (2011-12 to 2012-13)




From
To
G
MP
PER
TS%
eFG%
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg
OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48


2012
2013
138
5203
31.2
.624
.580
4.7
20.3
12.9
35.2
2.5
1.8
12.8
31.0
122
99
24.6
9.2
33.8
.311







midnight pulp? is that you?!??!

[AchillesHeel]

Oh, that was regular season, my bad

LeBron James: Playoffs Advanced (2011-12 to 2012-13)




From
To
G
MP
PER
TS%
eFG%
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg
OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48


2012
2013
46
1943
29.2
.580
.527
5.9
20.1
13.1
29.3
2.4
1.5
11.9
31.3
117
100
7.9
3.1
11.0
.272




Kobe Bryant: Playoffs Advanced (2008-09 to 2009-10)




From
To
G
MP
PER
TS%
eFG%
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg
OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48


2009
2010
46
1863
25.8
.565
.499
2.8
13.4
8.1
26.0
2.0
1.6
10.3
33.1
116
106
6.0
2.3
8.3
.214



It's fun watching Kobe getting bodied in every statistic, tbh.

[gnsf0946]

with what's being said on this forum about Lebron and Kobe you'd think Lebron has a lot better stats when in fact its pretty close

oh, and Kobe was 31-32 years old at the time while Lebron is most likely at his best

[Clipper Nation]

Well, every stat except (unsurprisingly) usage rate :lol

[AchillesHeel]

with what's being said on this forum about Lebron and Kobe you'd think Lebron has a lot better stats when in fact its pretty close

oh, and Kobe was 31-32 years old at the time while Lebron is most likely at his best

Kobe at his best

Kobe Bryant: Playoffs Advanced (2005-06 to 2006-07)


From
To
G
MP
PER
TS%
eFG%
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg
OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48


2006
2007
12
529
21.6
.575
.524
1.1
15.8
8.1
20.9
1.3
0.8
15.0
30.9
109
115
1.1
0.0
1.1
.101




:lol

[gnsf0946]

Kobe at his best

Kobe Bryant: Playoffs Advanced (2005-06 to 2006-07)




From
To
G
MP
PER
TS%
eFG%
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg
OWS
DWS
WS
WS/48


2006
2007
12
529
21.6
.575
.524
1.1
15.8
8.1
20.9
1.3
0.8
15.0
30.9
109
115
1.1
0.0
1.1
.101




:lol

don't get me wrong, i also think Lebron>Kobe but like I said, considering what is being said around here you'd think the gap is bigger tbh

[Koolaid_Man]

Lebron choked by all accounts..had Duncan and the Spurs not tried to one up Duncan in the choke dept then Lebron's legacy would be done

[Katherine Robinson]

Lebron was statistically better but Kobe didn't need a fluke chain of events to win an elimination game. Kobe had the refs on his side, Heat had the refs against them. Both steamrolled their first finals matchups in their respective repeats.

Both runs had highs and lows, the biggest difference is that the Heat are still running after their 2nd.

[RsxPiimp]

It's fun watching Kobe getting bodied in every statistic, tbh.[/FONT][/COLOR]

Lebron faced a much, MUCH easier and watered down eastern conference :lol. Also in the Finals, 2010 Boston> 2013 TOSB Spurs and 2009 Orlando> 2012 OKC.


Kobe faced a tougher defense in the Finals than Lebron.

[LkrFan]

Which player had the better post season run? Better finals performance?

GO!
Here's your answer:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif

:downspin: this shit if you dare. CHARGE!!!!!!!!!!

[Koolaid_Man]

6 is real....that shit was given to Lebron by the SPurs he didn't "win" that title and real niggas know it

[AchillesHeel]

Lebron faced a much, MUCH easier and watered down eastern conference :lol. Also in the Finals, 2010 Boston> 2013 TOSB Spurs and 2009 Orlando> 2012 OKC.


Kobe faced a tougher defense in the Finals than Lebron.

Lebron played HORRIBLY in the Finals until Games 6 (partially) and 7

Lebron was left WIDE OPEN the whole Finals series and he shot under 40% I believe for his first 4 or 5 games and was averaging a measily 21 ppg or something, Kawhi locked that nigga down and he still managed to end up being better than Kobe in any of his Finals but 09 (still better if you count clutch, Lebron was more clutch than Kobe had ever been on a Finals stage).

Kobe shot 6-24 in Game 7 of the Finals, it's inexcusable.

[whitemamba]

Here's your answer:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif

:downspin: this shit if you dare. CHARGE!!!!!!!!!!
:lol

[gaKNOW!blee]

anytime the Heat were in trouble Lebron had an amazing game...anytime the Lakers were in trouble Kobe had Gasol carry the team. Is this really a debate?

6-24 :lol

[whitemamba]

anytime the Heat were in trouble Lebron had an amazing game...anytime the Lakers were in trouble Kobe had Gasol carry the team. Is this really a debate?

6-24 :lol

15 rebounds. scro

[RsxPiimp]

Everytime Lebron and the Heat faced a real adversary in the East, the teams best players are down. Indiana with Granger and Chicago without Rose.


Lakers opponents in 2009

Utah Jazz
Denver Nuggets
Rockets

Lakers opponents in 2010

OKC
Jazz
Suns


Miami's opponents in 2012

Knicks (No Shumpert and Baron Davis)
Pacers (missed Granger)
Celtics (really old team but still managed to bring the series to 7 games)


Miami's opponents in 2013

Bucks ( :lol, would not make the playoffs in the west)
Bulls (No Rose)
Pacers (No granger, one coach vogel decision away from beating the heat)

[AchillesHeel]

15 rebounds. scro

Kobe was always medicore in the Finals except for 09 (1 out of 7 Finals he actually played like a superstar), his playoff stats look decent overall but then you remember the teams he played en route to Finals in 09 and 10. That Suns team in 2010 was the worst defensive team in the whole playoffs and bottom 5 in defense in the league, he got to pad his ppg quite nicely because Suns played no D.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Everytime Lebron and the Heat faced a real adversary in the East, the teams best players are down. Indiana with Granger and Chicago without Rose.


Lakers opponents in 2009

Utah Jazz
Denver Nuggets
Rockets

Lakers opponents in 2010

OKC
Jazz
Suns


Miami's opponents in 2012

Knicks (No Shumpert and Baron Davis)
Pacers (missed Granger)
Celtics (really old team but still managed to bring the series to 7 games)


Miami's opponents in 2013

Bucks ( :lol, would not make the playoffs in the west)
Bulls (No Rose)
Pacers (No granger, one coach vogel decision away from beating the heat)

Actually Granger played in 2012. Nice try though.

[Koolaid_Man]

15 rebounds. scro


Kobe out rebounded Garnet, Pierece, and Allen all by himself in that game...he went 6-24 and still lead all scorers...speaks volumes - lol

[RsxPiimp]

Lebron played HORRIBLY in the Finals until Games 6 (partially) and 7

Lebron was left WIDE OPEN the whole Finals series and he shot under 40% I believe for his first 4 or 5 games and was averaging a measily 21 ppg or something, Kawhi locked that nigga down and he still managed to end up being better than Kobe in any of his Finals but 09 (still better if you count clutch, Lebron was more clutch than Kobe had ever been on a Finals stage).

Kobe shot 6-24 in Game 7 of the Finals, it's inexcusable.

Come on son, are we talking about that ice jumper made by Lebron in game 7 with under a minute left where the Heat were already up by 4-5 points? :lol



Lebron was carried by hot shooting from Allen, Battier and Wade in the Finals. I blame the Spurs for not locking Lebron up and giving him sample space in Game 7 as the reason why the Spurs lost. Lebron did come up big in Game 7 but truth is, he stunk in the previous 6 games playing worse than Kobe's 2008 Finals.

[RsxPiimp]

Actually Granger played in 2012. Nice try though.

Nah, he was injured in pivotal games. Try again son.

[RsxPiimp]

Kobe was always medicore in the Finals except for 09 (1 out of 7 Finals he actually played like a superstar), his playoff stats look decent overall but then you remember the teams he played en route to Finals in 09 and 10. That Suns team in 2010 was the worst defensive team in the whole playoffs and bottom 5 in defense in the league, he got to pad his ppg quite nicely because Suns played no D.

Lebron faced a much weaker team in the East. PERIOD.

[AchillesHeel]

Lebron faced a much weaker team in the East. PERIOD.

We're talking defenses, Lebron faced some of the best defenses in the league with Chicago,Indiana and San Antonio, they all gave him fits(even Chicago) and he was taken to 7 games TWICE and came up big. Hit a game-winner (Kobe hasn't hit a go-ahead last second bucket in the playoffs since 07, bricked all 7 attempts) in the Indy series when it counted.

2012 - they played Knicks (medicore D), Indiana and Boston

none of the teams Lebron faced were as bad on defense as the Suns, Kirby is a stat-padder and a choker.

[Leetonidas]

it took one post in for laker butthurt to ensue. good job OP

[RsxPiimp]

We're talking defenses, Lebron faced some of the best defenses in the league with Chicago,Indiana and San Antonio, .

2010 Boston and 2011 Orlando was far better than those team you mentioned. That 08-09 Denver team also was no slouch, ranking 8th in Defensive RTG. 08-09 Houston was a beast defensively, they ranked 4th in Defensive RTG, they were practically winning games that year due to defense.


Lebron faced the Bucks, lets not talk about the Suns defense chief :lol

[Kool Bob Love]

Kobe out rebounded Garnet, Pierece, and Allen all by himself in that game...he went 6-24 and still lead all scorers...speaks volumes - lol

6


http://4.kicksonfire.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/tumblr_mocxnm9yW91r2b4iuo1_500.gif

[AchillesHeel]

2010 Boston and 2011 Orlando was far better than those team you mentioned. That 08-09 Denver team also was no slouch, ranking 8th in Defensive RTG. 08-09 Houston was a beast defensively, they ranked 4th in Defensive RTG, they were practically winning games that year due to defense.


Lebron faced the Bucks, lets not talk about the Suns defense chief :lol

6

oh wait, I'm a Spurs fan :depressed

[RsxPiimp]

No Finals MVP in NBA history has shot 44% in at least 5 games in a series like Lebron. Just goes to show he a better choke artist than Kome tbh.

[Phillip]

Ray Allen basically saved Lebron from the embarassment in game 6. Let's not act like he carried the Heat in game 6, son.

is this a joke? Lebron got them to the point that Allen was even able to take that shot and for it to mean something. If it wasnt for lebron going apeshit, they lose by 15+ in that game. instead they win, he dominates the hell out of game 7 especially in the clutch, and they are back to back champs

you are a fucking idiot

[Phillip]

Lebron was statistically better but Kobe didn't need a fluke chain of events to win an elimination game. Kobe had the refs on his side, Heat had the refs against them. Both steamrolled their first finals matchups in their respective repeats.

Both runs had highs and lows, the biggest difference is that the Heat are still running after their 2nd.

Kobe needed injuries to Boston to win game 7.

Healthy Perkins = Boston Champs

[Phillip]

Kawhi locked that nigga down

:lol

if by locked down, you mean he did a great job of getting double and triple team help every time lebron put the ball on the floor, then sure, he did a great job of that

[Phillip]

2010 Boston and 2011 Orlando was far better than those team you mentioned. That 08-09 Denver team also was no slouch, ranking 8th in Defensive RTG. 08-09 Houston was a beast defensively, they ranked 4th in Defensive RTG, they were practically winning games that year due to defense.


Lebron faced the Bucks, lets not talk about the Suns defense chief :lol

2011 Orlando? not sure where they come into the picture...

:lmao Houston team without Yao Ming taking the Lakers to 7.

[Phillip]

No Finals MVP in NBA history has shot 44% in at least 5 games in a series like Lebron. Just goes to show he a better choke artist than Kome tbh.

:rollin bitter bout dem spurs gettin beat down

[weebo]

Lebron right now is better than kirby has ever been. Also, Lebron has been top dawg while kirby has needed his big men to bail him out. This isn't even a close.

[Leetonidas]

I'm sorry but LeBron is not a choke artist, he fucking assraped us in Game 7 hitting clutch shot after clutch shot. How could that be considered choking? It's not like he went 6-24 in the final game and had to cling to the fact he had 14 rebounds to not seem like such a fucking failure

[AchillesHeel]

Lebron right now is better than kirby has ever been. Also, Lebron has been top dawg while kirby has needed his big men to bail him out. This isn't even a close.

http://i.qkme.me/3osq9k.jpg

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm sorry but LeBron is not a choke artist, he fucking assraped us in Game 7 hitting clutch shot after clutch shot. How could that be considered choking? It's not like he went 6-24 in the final game and had to cling to the fact he had 14 rebounds to not seem like such a fucking failure

^ bout the smartest gotdam thing you've ever said....:toast

[RsxPiimp]

2011 Orlando? not sure where they come into the picture...

:lmao Houston team without Yao Ming taking the Lakers to 7.

You need to quit, you don't bring any logic but to go down on Lebron's nuts tbh.

Lebron Stans :lmao

[RsxPiimp]

is this a joke? Lebron got them to the point that Allen was even able to take that shot and for it to mean something. If it wasnt for lebron going apeshit, they lose by 15+ in that game. instead they win, he dominates the hell out of game 7 especially in the clutch, and they are back to back champs

you are a fucking idiot










only a Lebron stan would consider 11/26 on the field and 6 T.O. going HAM

:lmao

[ambchang]

One went 6-24 in the elimination game. The other went nuclear in two elimination games.

It's like comparing whoppie Goldberg with Kate upton.

[Phillip]

You:cry need to quit, you don't b:cry ring any logic but to go :cry down on Lebron's nuts:cry tbh.
:cry
Le:cry bron Sta:cry ns

:cry Lebron beat us:cry



:cry only a Lebron stan would :cry consider 11/26 on t:cry he field and :cry 6 T.O. going HAM:cry

:cry but i for:crygot about the 4th quarter and OT where :cryhe raped us till we bled :cryto death :cry :cry :cry

[Kool Bob Love]

http://media.tumblr.com/2de819ecce9c36546e99e9ad56fe6f72/tumblr_inline_mlc3okxcIS1qz4rgp.gif

[weebo]

http://media.tumblr.com/2de819ecce9c36546e99e9ad56fe6f72/tumblr_inline_mlc3okxcIS1qz4rgp.gif

COLD
:lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Lebron was one of 3 or so players in NBA history to lead his team to a title while leading in Points, Rebounds, Assists and either Steals/Blocks..

He's the only player in NBA history to do it in consecutive years, tbh..

Not to mention defensively, where Lebron led his team in every metric, while Kobe's metrics are just average, obviously..

Kobe had a higher PER than Gasol by just 0.7 in 2010 and Pau had him beaten in every other metric on both ends of the floor, tbh:lol..

Only a complete moron would compare Kobe's pretty good runs to Lebron's historic runs, tbh..

[Buddy Mignon]

anytime the Heat were in trouble Lebron had an amazing game...anytime the Lakers were in trouble Kobe had Gasol carry the team. Is this really a debate?

6-24 :lol


Kobe went through way tougher teams and was never in jeopardy of losing like Lebron. Not to mention... Lebron had the far superior team. Now... let's compare Duncan's and Kobe's back to back runs?:rollin

[Leetonidas]

Kobe fans are so fucking salty and insecure :lol

how's the latest ep of naruto going faggot? did naruto reveal his gay love to sasuke?

[Phillip]

Kobe went through way tougher teams and was never in jeopardy of losing like Lebron.

Um, he was down 3-2 in the finals against Boston, just like Lebron was this year. :lmao way tougher teams. More like teams that just had higher power offenses.


Not to mention... Lebron had the far superior team.

Really?

Fisher - Chalmers
Wade - Ariza/Artest
Bosh - Gasol
Anthony/Anderson - Bynum

The only player there that is clearly advantage Miami, is Wade over Ariza and Artest, and even then, Wade was shit this postseason for the most part, and affected Lebron's play negatively while on court more than any other player on the team.

But Gasol/Bynum >>> Bosh/Anthony/Anderson.

I agree that Miami is a better team, but not because of the supporting casts. Because of Lebron >>> Kobe. Can you imagine what Lebron would be able to do with a healthy Andrew Bynum giving him support in the paint on both ends of the court? Replace Anthony/Anderson with 2009-2011 Bynum, and this Miami team wins well over 70 games and dominates Indy/San Antonio with EASE.

[Juggity]

Ray Allen basically saved Lebron from the embarassment in game 6. Let's not act like he carried the Heat in game 6, son.

...Lebron had a triple double. That's as close to "carrying" a team as you can get.

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol Lebron was one of 3 or so players in NBA history to lead his team to a title while leading in Points, Rebounds, Assists and either Steals/Blocks..

He's the only player in NBA history to do it in consecutive years, tbh..

Not to mention defensively, where Lebron led his team in every metric, while Kobe's metrics are just average, obviously..

Kobe had a higher PER than Gasol by just 0.7 in 2010 and Pau had him beaten in every other metric on both ends of the floor, tbh:lol..

Only a complete moron would compare Kobe's pretty good runs to Lebron's historic runs, tbh..


Besides his teammates current players have no respect for Lebron....they have the utmost respect for Kobe and they did MJ as well....real niggas know Lebron was gifted a title which diminishes everything the Spurs are about as an organization...it's ok to lose but to simply hand a title to another organization is an unforgivable sin...there's no other way to express it...you can Spin all you want...the Spurs nullified all their years of hard work and in fact what they did has never been done by another team in NBA history

[Thread]

Here's your answer:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif

:downspin: this shit if you dare. CHARGE!!!!!!!!!!

Look at the size of that fuckin' rim. That motherfuckin' choker.

[Thread]

...Lebron had a triple double. That's as close to "carrying" a team as you can get.

You beat him, Jugs, and then you fucked up.

[HarlemHeat37]

Kobe's competition in 2009 was easily worse than Lebron's in 2012, tbh..

Lebron's competition in 2013 was much easier than Kobe's in 2010, to be fair, tbh..

Lebron's Finals opponents were levels better than Kobe's, tbh..the 2010 Celtics had an atrocious 3.3 SRS and were without Perkins for the most important stretch of the series..Orlando had a very good 6.39 SRS, but were without Jameer Nelson, their 2nd most important player against LA..

Lebron's Finals opponents had SRSs of 6.6 and 6.4 and were fully healthy, tbh..

[RsxPiimp]

Kobe's competition in 2009 was easily worse than Lebron's in 2012, tbh..

Lebron's competition in 2013 was much easier than Kobe's in 2010, to be fair, tbh..

Lebron's Finals opponents were levels better than Kobe's, tbh..the 2010 Celtics had an atrocious 3.3 SRS and were without Perkins for the most important stretch of the series..Orlando had a very good 6.39 SRS, but were without Jameer Nelson, their 2nd most important player against LA..

Lebron's Finals opponents had SRSs of 6.6 and 6.4 and were fully healthy, tbh..

:lmao

dat houston team alone would pound any EC team lebron faced in 2012 :lol

dat nuggets team in 09 would beat the heat of 2013 :lol

lebron played in a watered down and weak eastern conference team son, and in the finals, he shot 30% twice, under 45% 3x and basically was saved by historic games from ray allen and shane battier :lol

also bynum was a no show in the finals pivotal games. :lmao

[RsxPiimp]

lebron's finals performance at this point is not top 10 worthy tbh. the stinker in 2007 (?) the choke in 2011 and the semi decent series in 2013 is not enough to erase all that stank.


Also, Lebron's regular season stats are ALWAYS better than his postseason stats. Kobe just like any other great players has it the other way around. :toast

[Phillip]

:lmao

dat houston team alone would pound any EC team lebron faced in 2012 :lol

dat nuggets team in 09 would beat the heat of 2013 :lol


:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

[MeloHype]

Everytime Lebron and the Heat faced a real adversary in the East, the teams best players are down. Indiana with Granger and Chicago without Rose.


Lakers opponents in 2009

Utah Jazz
Denver Nuggets
Rockets

Lakers opponents in 2010

OKC
Jazz
Suns


Miami's opponents in 2012

Knicks (No Shumpert and Baron Davis)
Pacers (missed Granger)
Celtics (really old team but still managed to bring the series to 7 games)


Miami's opponents in 2013

Bucks ( :lol, would not make the playoffs in the west)
Bulls (No Rose)
Pacers (No granger, one coach vogel decision away from beating the heat)
You forgot Bosh missed games 2-6 vs the Pacers & games 1-4 vs Boston

[ElNono]

Kobe fans are so fucking salty and insecure :lol

how's the latest ep of naruto going faggot? did naruto reveal his gay love to sasuke?

:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

RSXPimp has always been one of the shittiest posters on ST, tbh..

Not surprised he didn't actually refute any of my claims with actual arguments:lol..

The 2011 Mavs, 2012 Thunder and 2013 Spurs would shit all over a Celtics team that was the 15th ranked offense in the league, tbh..and before somebody mentions their defense, the 2010 Celtics defense was statistically identical to the 2013 Spurs..great defenses, but nothing historic..


I haven't even referenced teammates yet, which kills any argument for Kobe, tbh..supporting cast performances aren't even close, which I'll easily prove if somebody has the balls to argue otherwise:lol..

[Thread]

Kobe: 5

James: 2

LeBron's regrets are his own. He came a Duncan choke from having the black scared off of him. Count yer blessings, daddy-O.

[Josepatches_]

LeBron hands down
Worst team and a better performance.

[Juggity]

You beat him,

Sure, but you beat your Katie-girl; you've no room

[Thread]

Sure, but you beat your Katie-girl; you've no room

:rolleyes

[Mnky]

Maybe I saw a different finals...but Lebron is nowhere near as intimidating as Kobe Bryant. Kobe is one of the all time great competitors. Wade did way more damage to the spurs than Lebron came close to. Wade was the one who would answer every time the spurs went on a run, and he was the one who set the tone in game 7 with his isolations and sinking almost every jump shot he took. Wade Came out and made it comfortable for Lebron to take some shots with no pressure on him. Bosh was the one with the big rebounds and block/foul on danny green, having plenty of moments as well. I just don't remember any defining moments with Lebron what so ever this finals. I remember Bosh withe the scrappy plays..I remember Miller killing us with his hussle and making gary neal look like a d-league'er...and most importantly I remember Wade being clutch as hell and backing his guy up 7 ft from the rim time after time and hooking it in for an easy two whenever he wanted. Kobe's back to back was more memorable and impressive in my opinion. Lebron missed his game tying 3. Bosh rebounded and Ray allen made it. I think Lebron missed a couple actually. Yea, I'll take kobe on that one.

[Phillip]

Maybe I saw a different finals...but Lebron is nowhere near as intimidating as Kobe Bryant. Kobe is one of the all time great competitors. Wade did way more damage to the spurs than Lebron came close to. Wade was the one who would answer every time the spurs went on a run, and he was the one who set the tone in game 7 with his isolations and sinking almost every jump shot he took. Wade Came out and made it comfortable for Lebron to take some shots with no pressure on him. Bosh was the one with the big rebounds and block/foul on danny green, having plenty of moments as well. I just don't remember any defining moments with Lebron what so ever this finals. I remember Bosh withe the scrappy plays..I remember Miller killing us with his hussle and making gary neal look like a d-league'er...and most importantly I remember Wade being clutch as hell and backing his guy up 7 ft from the rim time after time and hooking it in for an easy two whenever he wanted. Kobe's back to back was more memorable and impressive in my opinion. Lebron missed his game tying 3. Bosh rebounded and Ray allen made it. I think Lebron missed a couple actually. Yea, I'll take kobe on that one.

retarded

[Leetonidas]

Did you forget his triple doubles? Did you forget him putting the Heat in the position for Allen to hit that three? Did you forget him draining 3 after 3 in game 7? Kobe in a game 7 is not scary at all, he usually quits or his team gets blown the fuck out or he goes 6-24 from the field. LeBron has the highest PPG in Game 7s all time iirc, Kobefan's favorite statistic

[Phillip]

I won't go as far as saying a prime Kobe isn't scary in any playoff situation at all. I know the stats aren't highly in his favor, but he still has to be feared.

But Lebron > Kobe still.

[Leetonidas]

tbh we all saw what he did at his absolute peak in 2006 against the Suns

[Thread]

6

[Leetonidas]

I smell skunk

[Thread]

I smell skunk

6

[Mnky]

Did you forget his triple doubles? Did you forget him putting the Heat in the position for Allen to hit that three? Did you forget him draining 3 after 3 in game 7? Kobe in a game 7 is not scary at all, he usually quits or his team gets blown the fuck out or he goes 6-24 from the field. LeBron has the highest PPG in Game 7s all time iirc, Kobefan's favorite statistic

I remember Lebron stat padding at the end of a blowout. He's a great player. The biggest, fastest, strongest player on the court. He's going to get stats. Question was about who's was more impressive.. Not that one wasn't and the other was. They were both impressive runs. To me Kobe's was more so. I think the majority of the sports world agreed the Spurs LOST the finals in game 6. Not that the Heat won it.
At the end of game 6, if I had to have Kobe or Lebron take that shot against my team*, I definitely want Lebron taking it. As far as the teams they went through, the east has been dismal the past couple years. The bulls were without their star and probably favorites to win it all if they had him, and pacers went 7 without a true point guard or one of their all stars. It's just not as impressive to me. In the end, Lebron still has plenty of time and opportunity to leave behind a great legacy. As of now..the back to backs they both had..I'm going with Kobes.

And I mentioned in my last post that Wade set the tone and gave the heat a lead, and made it comfortable for lebron to take shots with less pressure. He wasn't making them when it was just on him. Wade got him there with his aggressiveness and lack of decisiveness.

[Leetonidas]

All that matters is what he did in Game 7, do or die time, when it mattered most, he fucking delivered. I hate his ass for that, but respect his game

[RsxPiimp]

All that matters is what he did in Game 7, do or die time, when it mattered most, he fucking delivered. I hate his ass for that, but respect his game

Allow me to say, you're a fucking dumbass. kobe delivered and handed the spurs their collective asses far more than LeBron has done so your argument is invalid.

[RsxPiimp]

I won't go as far as saying a prime Kobe isn't scary in any playoff situation at all. I know the stats aren't highly in his favor, but he still has to be feared.

But Lebron > Kobe still.

retarded argument

5>2

:lol

[RsxPiimp]

Kobe: 5

James: 2

LeBron's regrets are his own. He came a Duncan choke from having the black scared off of him. Count yer blessings, daddy-O.

The man speaks the truth.

[Leetonidas]

Allow me to say, you're a fucking dumbass. kobe delivered and handed the spurs their collective asses far more than LeBron has done so your argument is invalid.

shut the fuck up dumbfuck, its widely established that youre a top 5 worst poster on this entire site. Is this topic about what Kobe did in 2000-2002 or comparing their back-to-back runs as the main guy on their teams? fucking retard

[RsxPiimp]

lebron played in a watered down and weak eastern conference team son, and in the finals, he shot 30% twice, under 45% 3x and basically was saved by historic games from ray allen and shane battier :lol

[whitemamba]

shut the fuck up dumbfuck, its widely established that youre a top 5 worst poster on this entire site. Is this topic about what Kobe did in 2000-2002 or comparing their back-to-back runs as the main guy on their teams? fucking retard

:lol

[Leetonidas]

lol kobe cock sucker pretending to be a spurfan

[Mnky]

All that matters is what he did in Game 7, do or die time, when it mattered most, he fucking delivered. I hate his ass for that, but respect his game

I agree he made big shots and he deserves his respect in that. I'm not taking anything away from him. Just saying Kobe was more impressive to me with what he accomplished and as an opponent, way more feared.

[Leetonidas]

I agree he made big shots and he deserves his respect in that. I'm not taking anything away from him. Just saying Kobe was more impressive to me with what he accomplished and as an opponent, way more feared.

But again are we talking about Kobe raping us next to Shaq or Kobe's back to back title runs with Gasol? I agree LeBron wasn't a scary player imo until he choked against the Mavericks in 2011, that was a big learning experience for him and he absolutely has dominated the league since then.

[RsxPiimp]

shut the fuck up dumbfuck, its widely established that youre a top 5 worst poster on this entire site. Is this topic about what Kobe did in 2000-2002 or comparing their back-to-back runs as the main guy on their teams? fucking retard

widely established? what a homo faggot :lol, so you must be one of the top 5, nice accomplishment scrah, here's a gold star for you

it says back to back dumb fuck, not 3 peat, learn how to read.:lmao

[galvanizedspur9]

Lebron's is more dominant

[Leetonidas]

widely established? what a homo faggot :lol, so you must be one of the top 5, nice accomplishment scrah, here's a gold star for you

it says back to back dumb fuck, not 3 peat, learn how to read.:lmao
rofl illiterate retard. no shit you stupid niqqerfaggot, it says back to back, meaning "handing the Spurs their collective asses" means shit here because Kobe didn't play the Spurs in his back to back title years. now crawl, motherfucker

[Leetonidas]

"homo faggot"

are you gonna call me a gay homosexual next too? :lmao

[Mnky]

But again are we talking about Kobe raping us next to Shaq or Kobe's back to back title runs with Gasol? I agree LeBron wasn't a scary player imo until he choked against the Mavericks in 2011, that was a big learning experience for him and he absolutely has dominated the league since then.

I'm talking about his back to back. When it was Kobe's team. As far as help goes, Lebron had Wade who was already a champion before him, and Bosh who is a legitimate player, who may not be an all star, but who backs his words. He said before the game danny wasn't going to get open again and he ended the game by hurling danny into the spurs bench..ahaha. Respect.

[RsxPiimp]

rofl illiterate retard:(. no shit you stupid niqqerfaggot, it says back to back,:( meaning "handing the Spurs their collective asses" means shit here because Kobe didn't play the Spurs in his back to back title years. now crawl, motherfucker:(

you're as dumb as I thought. what a fucking loser :lol

[RsxPiimp]

I'm talking about his back to back. When it was Kobe's team. As far as help goes, Lebron had Wade who was already a champion before him, and Bosh who is a legitimate player, who may not be an all star, but who backs his words. He said before the game danny wasn't going to get open again and he ended the game by hurling danny into the spurs bench..ahaha. Respect.

this guy knows his shit.:toast

[RsxPiimp]

"homo faggot"

are you gonna call me a gay homosexual next too? :lmao

"illiterate retard" :lol only a spurs fan would come up with this shit.:lmao

[Mnky]

this guy knows his shit.:toast

:toast Cheers.

[Leetonidas]

you are now my bitch. welcome faggot.

[RsxPiimp]

Mnky tappin that ass :lmao

[Leetonidas]

I'm talking about his back to back. When it was Kobe's team. As far as help goes, Lebron had Wade who was already a champion before him, and Bosh who is a legitimate player, who may not be an all star, but who backs his words. He said before the game danny wasn't going to get open again and he ended the game by hurling danny into the spurs bench..ahaha. Respect.

Bosh was garbage most of the series and Wade was injured and played like ass for the vast majority of the entire post season...try again...

Also Phil Jackson takes a wet shit all over Spoelstra, that is a fact.

[Leetonidas]

Mnky tappin that ass :lmao

salty ass bitch :lol

[whitemamba]

Bosh was garbage most of the series and Wade was injured and played like ass for the vast majority of the entire post season...try again...

Also Phil Jackson takes a wet shit all over Spoelstra, that is a fact.

DAAAAAAMN!! look at this smart mutha fucka!!!

[RsxPiimp]

Bosh was garbage most of the series and Wade was injured and played like ass for the vast majority of the entire post season...try again...

Also Phil Jackson takes a wet shit all over Spoelstra, that is a fact.

Dat bosh block potentially saved Lebron's ass in Game 6.

Fuck off!

:lol San Antonio Heat fan
:

[Leetonidas]

"illiterate retard" :lol only a spurs fan would come up with this shit.:lmao

you realize that people who are mentally retarded can still read right? what does that say about you dumbfuck :lol

[Leetonidas]

Dat bosh block potentially saved Lebron's ass in Game 6.

Fuck off!

:lol San Antonio Heat fan
:

Yep, Bosh saved the entire series with that block. holy shit you're fucking stupid. are you actually retarded? because then i might feel bad for calling you a retard.

[RsxPiimp]

you realize that people who are mentally retarded can still read right? lol

you're the living proof
:lmao:lol:lmao:lol

[Leetonidas]

sick burn dude. post some more emoticons to prove how hilarious it was

[RsxPiimp]

Yep, Bosh saved the entire series with that block. holy shit you're fucking stupid. are you actually retarded? because then i might feel bad for calling you a retard.

it says "potentially", again, a great way to exhibit your reading comprehension. think before you write to avoid embarrassment.


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Leetonidas]

post some more emoticons it's really strengthening your case

[RsxPiimp]

:lol hey dude wtf? why are you sending me a PM? that's some gay shit man :lol, if you're tired of getting your ass pounded, quit, otherwise act like a man and settle here, GTFO with that gay ass pm scrah :lmao:lol

[Leetonidas]

riiiiiiiight.

:lol resorting to making shit up. pathetic. gg bitch, you are my property

[Mnky]

Bosh was garbage most of the series and Wade was injured and played like ass for the vast majority of the entire post season...try again...

Also Phil Jackson takes a wet shit all over Spoelstra, that is a fact.

Spolestra is a good coach. He's been groomed by Pat Riley sincce the 90's. He's not a kid who came out of nowhere. He was built just for this. Taking the Heat to the Finals. He's not a pushover, but he's also no Phil Jackson. Agreed.

Wade was not incapable of being Wade. He was way healthier than he let on. You don't explode with a 35-40 inch vertical in the air on a bum knee. Any athlete will let you know that. He was a huge factor in that game 7. He was the only one making his jump shots to start the game, And he kept demanding the ball back. A strategy that Spoelstra came up with. Heavy wade early and then let Lebron finish with a comfort level. They did it in the last 3 games to help Lebron with his struggling shot, which he was consistent with all series. Go check the film. They go early Wade and allow him to establish the game and lean on him to put them in a position to go for the win with Lebron fresh and more at ease later in the game.

As far as Bosh being Garbage..
http://www.diehardsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Boshblock.gif


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/924/187/RayThreeTie_original.gif?1371614252

[HarlemHeat37]

2013 Wade in the playoffs: 18.7 PER(-9.4 to Lebron), 49.8 TS%(-8.7% to Lebron), 102 offensive rating(worst on the team, -16 to Lebron), 103 defensive rating(-2 to Lebron), 1.8 WS(-3.4 to Lebron)..

2013 Bosh in the playoffs: 16.8 PER, 52.4 TS%, 108 offensive rating, 100 defensive rating, 2.2 WS..only 12 PPG and 7 RPG..

Wade was bad for most of the playoffs and was horribly inefficient, tbh..Miami was significantly better with Wade on the bench in the Finals, the Spurs usualy dominated the game when Wade was on the floor, tbh..it was evident that his knees killed him..

Wade's playoff numbers are some of the worst ever for a 2nd option on a title team, tbh..

Bosh was a decent 3rd option, though..

[Mnky]

2013 Wade in the playoffs: 18.7 PER(-9.4 to Lebron), 49.8 TS%(-8.7% to Lebron), 102 offensive rating(worst on the team, -16 to Lebron), 103 defensive rating(-2 to Lebron), 1.8 WS(-3.4 to Lebron)..

2013 Bosh in the playoffs: 16.8 PER, 52.4 TS%, 108 offensive rating, 100 defensive rating, 2.2 WS..only 12 PPG and 7 RPG..

Wade was bad for most of the playoffs and was horribly inefficient, tbh..Miami was significantly better with Wade on the bench in the Finals, the Spurs usualy dominated the game when Wade was on the floor, tbh..it was evident that his knees killed him..

Wade's playoff numbers are some of the worst ever for a 2nd option on a title team, tbh..

Bosh was a decent 3rd option, though..

End Scoreboard completely agrees with your stats. Wait...never mind. Without Wade, Heat lose. Playing next to a Lebron missing layups, your +- will probably not look too good. Those stats also include the blowout games where wade and lebron never sat down...tbh. Stats don't really support the end result tbh. I"m sure they're good for something though. Like ..online forum discussions.

I pick Kobe's back to back over Lebrons. #Opinion.

[HarlemHeat37]

God, Laker fan loves using unquantifiable arguments and using empty throwaway lines like "stats mean nothing", tbh:lol..

Even your unquantifiable arguments don't even make any sense in this case, tbh:lol..

[Mnky]

God, Laker fan loves using unquantifiable arguments and using empty throwaway lines like "stats mean nothing", tbh:lol..

Even your unquantifiable arguments don't even make any sense in this case, tbh:lol..

Was being light hearted tbh.. which is why I kept saying tbh, tbh... Sorry If I came off as unquantifiable tbh.. I'm sure Duncans stats for game 7 reflect his 5 ft. miss and put back tbh..

Lebron's 2 rings would suggest he's on the same level as this guy http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/400/493/576515_display_image.jpg?1284768736 tbh..

Being Quantifiable is so fun tbh..

Nothing but love tbh.. I respect your opinion tbh..

[ambchang]

Minky is right. Kobe's run should be compared to Wade's.

They play similar roles on their respective teams.

[Thread]

Minky is right. Kobe's run should be compared to Wade's.

They play similar roles on their respective teams.

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[Vash StampedE]

:lmao

dat houston team alone would pound any EC team lebron faced in 2012 :lol

dat nuggets team in 09 would beat the heat of 2013 :lol

Stop it and just appreciate

[Vash StampedE]

Minky is right. Kobe's run should be compared to Wade's.

They play similar roles on their respective teams.
/thread
/makenewthreadWadeVS.Kobe

[Leetonidas]

Was being light hearted tbh.. which is why I kept saying tbh, tbh... Sorry If I came off as unquantifiable tbh.. I'm sure Duncans stats for game 7 reflect his 5 ft. miss and put back tbh..

Lebron's 2 rings would suggest he's on the same level as this guy http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/400/493/576515_display_image.jpg?1284768736 tbh..

Being Quantifiable is so fun tbh..

Nothing but love tbh.. I respect your opinion tbh..

really guy? i know you're not serious but that's just a fucking retarded thing to bring up anywhere. LOL TOM HEINSOHN > KOBE CUS HE GOT MOAR RINGS

[RsxPiimp]

Spolestra is a good coach. He's been groomed by Pat Riley sincce the 90's. He's not a kid who came out of nowhere. He was built just for this. Taking the Heat to the Finals. He's not a pushover, but he's also no Phil Jackson. Agreed.

Wade was not incapable of being Wade. He was way healthier than he let on. You don't explode with a 35-40 inch vertical in the air on a bum knee. Any athlete will let you know that. He was a huge factor in that game 7. He was the only one making his jump shots to start the game, And he kept demanding the ball back. A strategy that Spoelstra came up with. Heavy wade early and then let Lebron finish with a comfort level. They did it in the last 3 games to help Lebron with his struggling shot, which he was consistent with all series. Go check the film. They go early Wade and allow him to establish the game and lean on him to put them in a position to go for the win with Lebron fresh and more at ease later in the game.

As far as Bosh being Garbage..
http://www.diehardsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Boshblock.gif


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/924/187/RayThreeTie_original.gif?1371614252

damn this guy is full of knowledge and truth bombs.:toast

people are stuck in this same ass rut criticizing spo to hype up lebron:lol he made some great adjustments time after time outcoaching thibs and pops.

[RsxPiimp]

really guy? i know you're not serious but that's just a fucking retarded thing to bring up anywhere. LOL TOM HEINSOHN > KOBE CUS HE GOT MOAR RINGS

You're retarded, stfu and sit down in the corner. Don't compare two players who aren't obviously in the same tier dumb ass.

[Leetonidas]

sup faggot ready to mop up some more of my semen? also if you're too fucking retarded to notice (you are) your little butt buddy up there just compared LeBron to Mark madsen so stfu and get the dick out of your mouth

[RsxPiimp]

he was yanking your chain brah, you on the other hand was serious about your argument :lol

[Leetonidas]

i was totes serious which is why i put a LOL and typed it in all caps. try again retard.

[Leetonidas]

can you make a post with lots of laughing emoticons to prove your point? that'll really show me!

[RsxPiimp]

here we are again with your gay shit, btw I didn't open your PM and deleted that shit :lmao

#butthurt

:lol

[Leetonidas]

I didn't PM you. keep digging that hole faggot. post some more laughing emoticons everyone is really digging them

rofl hashtags on ST gtfo you 12 year old bitch

[Joseph Kony]

rsx making his case for shittiest poster of the month :tu

[RsxPiimp]

#regulated

:lol:lmao:lol:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

LeBron haters have already been reduced to some of the worst arguments imaginable, can't wait to see how they grasp at straws when the Kang has a few more rings :lol

[RsxPiimp]

rsx making his case for shittiest poster of the month :tu

you guys can take that accomplishment. poster of the month wont put food in your table or pay your bills tbh :lmao

[Joseph Kony]

You're not even remotely funny.

[Joseph Kony]

LeBron haters have already been reduced to some of the worst arguments imaginable, can't wait to see how they grasp at straws when the Kang has a few more rings :lol
Pretty sad when someone refuses to admit the obvious. Kobe fans are literally the only people who will put him above LeBron, to the rest of the world it's as clear as day

[Leetonidas]

#regulated

:lol:lmao:lol:lmao
http://i45.tinypic.com/2po6snr.gif

[Bill_Brasky]

Rsx probably got shit on really bad on his main handle(lol still completely anonymous) so he just created a new name to regurgitate old shit with.

[racm]

LeBron in a close-out Game 7: 37 pts
Kirby in a close-out Game 7: 6-24

[resistanze]

:lol Lebron was one of 3 or so players in NBA history to lead his team to a title while leading in Points, Rebounds, Assists and either Steals/Blocks..

He's the only player in NBA history to do it in consecutive years, tbh..

Not to mention defensively, where Lebron led his team in every metric, while Kobe's metrics are just average, obviously..

Kobe had a higher PER than Gasol by just 0.7 in 2010 and Pau had him beaten in every other metric on both ends of the floor, tbh:lol..

Only a complete moron would compare Kobe's pretty good runs to Lebron's historic runs, tbh..

I thought this thread would be dead after this post, tbh.

People are deluded.

[Phillip]

I remember Lebron stat padding at the end of a blowout. He's a great player. The biggest, fastest, strongest player on the court. He's going to get stats. Question was about who's was more impressive.. Not that one wasn't and the other was. They were both impressive runs. To me Kobe's was more so. I think the majority of the sports world agreed the Spurs LOST the finals in game 6. Not that the Heat won it.
At the end of game 6, if I had to have Kobe or Lebron take that shot against my team*, I definitely want Lebron taking it. As far as the teams they went through, the east has been dismal the past couple years. The bulls were without their star and probably favorites to win it all if they had him, and pacers went 7 without a true point guard or one of their all stars. It's just not as impressive to me. In the end, Lebron still has plenty of time and opportunity to leave behind a great legacy. As of now..the back to backs they both had..I'm going with Kobes.

And I mentioned in my last post that Wade set the tone and gave the heat a lead, and made it comfortable for lebron to take shots with less pressure. He wasn't making them when it was just on him. Wade got him there with his aggressiveness and lack of decisiveness.

retarded reasoning again

[Suspect]

how about Rockets back to back titles? :hat

[RsxPiimp]

retarded reasoning again

that was a pretty reasonable take, stop being a dumbass

[Phillip]

that was a pretty reasonable take, stop being a dumbass

judging by the fact that you are heavily in the minority on this argument, and facts prove 100% that you are wrong, you are the dumbass here.

[Mnky]

really guy? i know you're not serious but that's just a fucking retarded thing to bring up anywhere. LOL TOM HEINSOHN > KOBE CUS HE GOT MOAR RINGS

It was taking light the fact that this guy wanted people to be* quantifiable as in empirical evidence through the use of stats. That has it's glaring weaknesses as the above argument of Lebron vs The Mad Dawg showcases. That particular argument, although sustainable through stats, wouldn't be very...well, as you said..Not very smart. That's the point. Stats don't tell the whole story. Stats will never show you how great Tim Duncan is and how much impact he has on both ends of the court, because he made his teammates better to the point that he didn't need stats to win.

My argument is Kobe went through better teams, and he won with a less talented team back to back. IMO, that's more impressive, which was the question, Not who's stats were more impressive. If you just want to argue who had better stats, then of course Lebron did. That wasn't the argument though. Forgive my lack of insults and degrading arguments that keep me from the top tier of posters that dwell this realm. I'm a Newbie. I'll try to catch up. #PeaceLoveAndChicken

[Mnky]

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Can't we just get a long like these guys...tbh?

[Killakobe81]

Lebron, not even close.

He put his team on his back in each of those runs in a way that I have never seen Kobe do.

Kobe also put his team on his back, but the answer is Lebron. I think he had the better team and he was the better player all-around. Kobe has some amazing scoring games in those runs. But when you factor all aspects I would say the answer is clearly Lebron. Both had some shaky moments and great moments in the clutch as well. I would say onpaper Lebron had teh better cast but because they were very inconsistent, especially this year Lebron had and did more to bring the back2back titles home. Lakers though never had shooting like the heat.

Lebron. And not as close as it would appear. Havent read the posts above and I dont give a shit about stats.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Its close for me. Kobe was pretty good in those WCF series but completely bombed out against the Celtics in Game 7 which is a huge hit in his legacy. I mean, that was the game that could shut up the haters and he was horrendous. But to be fair, both teams were awful on the field so its not like he was the only one who had a miserable shooting game. He was however pretty good in 2009.


Lebron in 2012 was phenomenal, but his performance in the Finals this year IMO wasn't something to write home about, he was amazing in game 7 but games 1-6 were actually disappointing.

[Phillip]

Kobe also put his team on his back, but the answer is Lebron. I think he had the better team and he was the better player all-around. Kobe has some amazing scoring games in those runs. But when you factor all aspects I would say the answer is clearly Lebron. Both had some shaky moments and great moments in the clutch as well. I would say onpaper Lebron had teh better cast but because they were very inconsistent, especially this year Lebron had and did more to bring the back2back titles home. Lakers though never had shooting like the heat.

Lebron. And not as close as it would appear. Havent read the posts above and I dont give a shit about stats.

I don't disagree that Kobe put the team on his back as well. But Lebron did it in a way that Kobe never has, and even in ways Jordan never did. He was the team's best scorer, rebounder, defender, offense runner, and clutch player.

I don't know if you can say Lebron has much better of a cast than Kobe. Maybe more shooters, but I'm sure Lebron would gladly give a shooter or two away (as well as Chris Bosh) to have a pure post scorer and defender like Bynum.

Trade Miller and Bosh for Bynum, and Miami beats Indy and San Antonio both in 5. Bad matchups were the single biggest reason those series lasted as long as they did.

[Phillip]

Stats don't tell the whole story. Stats will never show you how great Tim Duncan is and how much impact he has on both ends of the court, because he made his teammates better to the point that he didn't need stats to win.

Kind of like what Lebron does for his teams.


My argument is Kobe went through better teams

Average winning % of Laker opponents during their back to back championships - 64%

Average winning % of Heat opponents during their back to back championships - 61%

Not a huge difference by any means. The Heat's opponent win % however was drastically decreased simply due to facing Milwaukee this year.


and he won with a less talented team back to back.

Proof?

I saw Kobe win championships with one of the leagues best defenders (Artest), one of the leagues most clutch spot up shooters (Fisher), one of the leagues most versatile players (Odom), one of the most skilled post scorers in the league (Gasol), and then arguably the best center in the league (Bynum), and a few other solid role players who played defense and hit open jumpers.

I saw Lebron win with one of the leagues best 2 guards (Wade), an all-star power forward (Bosh), a big time jumpshooter for one of them (Allen), and a slew of solid role players who played defense and hit open jumpers. Not nearly as balanced of a team, and not quite as talented of a supporting cast.

I agree that Miami is a better team. Not because of the supporting cast, but because Lebron is so much better than Kobe was.

[Leetonidas]

Phillip

[Killakobe81]

I don't disagree that Kobe put the team on his back as well. But Lebron did it in a way that Kobe never has, and even in ways Jordan never did. He was the team's best scorer, rebounder, defender, offense runner, and clutch player.

I don't know if you can say Lebron has much better of a cast than Kobe. Maybe more shooters, but I'm sure Lebron would gladly give a shooter or two away (as well as Chris Bosh) to have a pure post scorer and defender like Bynum.

Trade Miller and Bosh for Bynum, and Miami beats Indy and San Antonio both in 5. Bad matchups were the single biggest reason those series lasted as long as they did.

Disagree to some extent. Bynum clogs the lane and Lebron was at his best with the floor spaced. But I agree that Lebron carried his team in different ways so that is why I give him the edge. Scoring wise it's Kobe. Not just for his totals but he never failed to be aggressive even in his shitty Game 7. For some reason Lebron sometimes almost had to be forced to take over. But again the variety of his all around game gives him the edge in my book. But maybe it is closer like strength said. My initial gut is Lebron.

[Mnky]

I agree that Miami is a better team. Not because of the supporting cast, but because Lebron is so much better than Kobe was.

Cool story bro. Real talk. Good points. Your opinion holds Miami better,and Lebron being a major part of that. You also don't think the teams were that much more difficult than what Kobe went through. I find this year just not as impressive as what the lakers went through, which is what the argument is. Which one is more impressive. Both were good runs. Both have arguments on their side. I don't think the majority of people would go with Kobe's Lakers instead of this years heat. As far as defenders, Lebron and wade are pretty good at it. That's why they're one of the best fast break teams in the NBA if not the best. As far as clutch.. Fisher doesn't come close to Allen.. come on now. Birdman may not be an all star, but it didn't keep him from posting one of the best field goal percentages of all time. Like I said..there are arguments on both sides for each player. Actual arguments that hold water, but most people here are fine just filling themselves with their own opinion and not hearing out anothers. It's always an accomplishment to see a team go back to back. What the Heat did was impressive. I just find Kobes more impressive. It's not hard to imagine either. Respect to those who think otherwise.

[Arnold Toht]

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Can't we just get a long like these guys...tbh?

:lol Genius photoshop... only Love is coloured. :lol

[Mnky]

Yea, I thought that was pretty funny..Props to the Creator for seeing so clearly.

[Phillip]

Bynum clogs the lane and Lebron was at his best with the floor spaced.

Yes, Bynum does clog the lane up, and gives Lebron a little less space. But with Bynum being able to score so efficiently, while helping out immensely on defense, Lebron won't have to do nearly as much as he did. He won't have to be down in the post time after time having to block big men like Splitter and Duncan. With Bynum there, that type of constant defensive effort won't have to happen. Lebron's personal stats may not benefit from Bynum, but team success absolutely benefits from having a guy like Bynum.

[Josepatches_]

I agree that Miami is a better team. Not because of the supporting cast, but because Lebron is so much better than Kobe was.

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[Brazil]

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