Manu signs his contract

[ace3g]

Manu Ginobili @manuginobili
(http://twitter.com/manuginobili)Now it's official. I've just signed my fourth contract with the Spurs for two more years. pic.twitter.com/7Q1U816eSw (http://t.co/7Q1U816eSw)

[ducks]

official number ?

[racm]

:tu

[Chinook]

Good. That needed to happen first (or last) if the team plans to use cap space.

If Splitter signs his, then the option for the team to use cap space is pretty much done.

[Shifty]

He beat Woj and other again. 5 minutes since he announced it and no other mention of it on my timeline.

[coyotes_geek]

He beat Woj and other again. 5 minutes since he announced it and no other mention of it on my timeline.

Woj is good and all, but Woj finding out about Manu signing his contract before Manu does might be expecting a bit much.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Woj is good and all, but Woj finding out about Manu signing his contract before Manu does might be expecting a bit much.

:lol I was thinking the same thing.

[weebo]

:lobt2:

[Big Empty]

Good, even though hes past his prime i want to see our big three finish together what they started. Its been a great run and this pretty much means Tim most likely will play two more years. We were lucky to get Big Dave and Tim in the draft. Who knows if we will ever be in that position again to grab two super stars of that calibur. Even some of the most wealthiest franchices never have the opportunity. One more time baby!

[Bruno]

Manu signing first fit with a cap space plan. :stirpot:

[spurraider21]

Good. That needed to happen first (or last) if the team plans to use cap space.

If Splitter signs his, then the option for the team to use cap space is pretty much done.
I'm not a capologist like you or Bruno, but is this the case because of his monster cap hold going away?

[clambake]

2 years 22 million.

[ElNono]

lol vet minimum

[apalisoc_9]

2 years 22 million.

:lol

[Spur|n|Austin]

:stirpot:

:lol

[lefty]

official number ?
8 turnovers

[Chinook]

I'm not a capologist like you or Bruno, but is this the case because of his monster cap hold going away?

Yep. Now his cap hold is replaced by his salary. They could have renounced him, which would have removed him hold completely, then re-signed him for what was left (essentially what they did with Duncan last year, but considering the cap and not the tax), but they didn't chose to go that route for a number of reasons.

[timvp]

Woj is good and all, but Woj finding out about Manu signing his contract before Manu does might be expecting a bit much.

I loled.

[Johnny RIngo]

Doesn't deserve anything over 5 million considering his injury history and rapidly declining abilities.

[timvp]

Manu signing first fit with a cap space plan. :stirpot:

Very true. If cap plan wasn't in play, you'd think Manu and Splitter would sign at the same time.

Hmmmm...

[spurraider21]

Very true. If cap plan wasn't in play, you'd think Manu and Splitter would sign at the same time.

Hmmmm...
Then again this is a Manu tweet not a spurs announcement. It's entirely possible Splitter signed just before/after Manu and he's just not a twitter whore like Manu is

[ace3g]

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[spurraider21]

Well, nevermind then :lol

[Keepin' it real]

8 turnovers

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[timvp]

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Innnnnnnnnnnnnnteresting...

[ace3g]

San Antonio Spurs @spurs
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[raybies]

Ok what am I missing here. What's interesting?

[Joyrider]

Manu Ginobili @manuginobili
(http://twitter.com/manuginobili)Now it's official. I've just signed my fourth contract with the Spurs for two more years. pic.twitter.com/7Q1U816eSw (http://t.co/7Q1U816eSw)




You see the way he says ?now? its official??! Clearly a sign they are doing a sign and trade for Hibbert.

[Bruno]

Belinelli signed => end of the cap space ability.

Disappointing off-season.

[spurraider21]

Ok what am I missing here. What's interesting?
Splitters cap hold is actually lower than his agreed contract, so we have more cap room (if our plan was to use cap, not MLE) if he signs later

[coyotes_geek]

San Antonio Spurs @spurs
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Goodbye MLE.

[TE]

Belinelli signed => end of the cap space ability.

Disappointing off-season.
:pctoss

[SpursRock20]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/d0b01d78ebdf81b8824e8e546d3501ac/tumblr_mgozbhtqap1qhnoxno1_500.gif

Prepare for meltdown.

[apalisoc_9]

Belinelli signed => end of the cap space ability.

Disappointing off-season.

Why?

I Don't know jack shit about all of this, but why is it not the room exception?

I did not anything in the article suggesting it was otherwise.

[spurraider21]

Belinelli signed => end of the cap space ability.

Disappointing off-season.
No shot for room exception? Or would that have to come after other signings

[Kineto]

Belinelli signed => end of the cap space ability.

Disappointing off-season.

Or they also sign him with cap space and they keep the room exception for Pendergraph ?

[Ocotillo]

I am thinking CIA again and something non-AK-47 will hit us all out of the blue. Something is going on but my gut says we don't have a clue who.

[TheGoldStandard]

Shows over folks.. Gary Neal in 3.2.1

[noles1983]

great job spurs, fucking morons. I swear this FO gets a ton of credit for a couple good moves, and incredible luck. Its like they have an eternal pass when they fuck up.

[Bruno]

No shot for room exception? Or would that have to come after other signings

Yeah, wrong order.

[coyotes_geek]

Or they also sign him with cap space and they keep the room exception for Pendergraph ?

If they were going to sign Belinelli with cap space they'd have had to renounce Blair and Neal. I'd think that we would have heard news on that if it happened.

[timvp]

San Antonio Spurs @spurs
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Welp, that remained interesting for all of eight minutes.

[Bruno]

Or they also sign him with cap space and they keep the room exception for Pendergraph ?

Well, they haven't amnestied Bonner or withdraw the QO offer to Neal so they don't have cap space to sign Belinelli. He was signed with a part of the MLE.

[TMTTRIO]

Interesting that the Spurs still signed Manu after Manu said they were doubting on even bringing him back. It's nice to hear Manu realize how bad he's been and hopefully he can work on his game this summer because this is not a good way for him to end his career.


http://www.projectspurs.com/2013-articles/july/popovich-buford-had-doubts-before-making-ginobili-a-spur-for-life.html

(Popovich) and Buford had told me that they had doubts about what I could give. When he expressed his desire for me to continue, I had no doubts. In the playoffs I felt that was the first time in 11 years of NBA plus 4 in Italy and 3 in Argentina that I produced a little less than I expected and it hurt. I believe I could have helped the team even more, maybe even win another ring. I want to play better in the coming season, better than in the past two years. I think I can.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Just saying, Maybe Manu decided to take less so that the Spurs could sign Belinelli (Finally has an Italian buddy) with cap space and still have the MLE.

I am just curious what the terms actually are. Remember Duncan's contract turned out to be 2 mil less a year than what was initially reported.

[noles1983]

Interesting that the Spurs still signed Manu after Manu said they were doubting on even bringing him back. It's nice to hear Manu realize how bad he's been and hopefully he can work on his game this summer because this is not a good way for him to end his career.

They had doubts but signed this liability for 7 million lmfao. Stupid.

[Keepin' it real]

Shows over folks.. Gary Neal in 3.2.1

http://andreaseeger.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/bring-it.gif

[xmas1997]

Why do they have so many guards on the team now???

[timvp]

Interesting that the Spurs still signed Manu after Manu said they were doubting on even bringing him back. It's nice to hear Manu realize how bad he's been and hopefully he can work on his game this summer because this is not a good way for him to end his career.
ElNono have you translated that yet? That quote as they have it doesn't make much sense.

[Seventyniner]

Cue the meltdown. Try not to laugh at people who insist that because the FO didn't land AK that they didn't try hard enough.

[elemento]

Considering that my hopes to sign AKwere really low, I am not even mad.

Small-ball here we go.

[ducks]

Cue the meltdown. Try not to laugh at people who insist that because the FO didn't land AK that they didn't try hard enough.

jeff spurs writer official sign these two no word on splitter yet

[Johnny RIngo]

Just saying, Maybe Manu decided to take less so that the Spurs could sign Belinelli (Finally has an Italian buddy) with cap space and still have the MLE.

If he really wanted to help the team he should have taken a discount like Tim and Tony have. Instead, he's getting paid what he's probably worth(which doesn't help the Spurs cap flexibility)

[cd98]

Can't wait to see our 5 guard line up. It will be tough for anyone to guard us.

[racm]

Cue the meltdown. Try not to laugh at people who insist that because the FO didn't land AK that they didn't try hard enough.

yup

[Big Empty]

we are a better team wit Beli and Pendgrass. Kawhi is gonna have a monster year and as long as Tim can stay healthy we will be right back in it come April. Lets see what happens.

[SpursSerb]

At least we'll have 10 guards on roster.:lol

[ElNono]

Interesting that the Spurs still signed Manu after Manu said they were doubting on even bringing him back. It's nice to hear Manu realize how bad he's been and hopefully he can work on his game this summer because this is not a good way for him to end his career.

Actually, that's not what he said... here's the link to the article in spanish and the actual translation of the relevant part:

http://www.deportetandilense.com.ar/nota-Manu-Ginobili-anduvo-en-Tandil-14349.html

"The actual chances of going to another team were remote, and if nothing weird happened I was going to stay in San Antonio".

"Two or three teams inquired about me, fully aware that my priority was to stay with the Spurs. But it was something very informal; there were no offers. The only thing that would've made me doubt was if Pop or Bufford would have said that they had doubts about what I could give. When they said they were enthusiastic for me to return, I had no doubts".

"During the playoffs I felt it was the first time in 11 years on the NBA, plus 4 in Italy and 3 in Argentina that I didn't perform the way I wanted to. I produced a little less that I expected, both me and the team. And it hurt. I'm not used to that. I always took pride of being a player that during the playoffs or in difficult situations could give a plus. And I felt this season that didn't happen. I think I could've helped the team more, even maybe win another ring. I don't want that to happen again. I don't want to disappoint or be a burden to anybody. I want to play better next season, better than the last two seasons. I think I can"

I'm joining Bruno in denouncing projectspurs and their google translates as crap, tbh

[ElNono]

Anybody wants a full translation? let me know, tbh

The only other parts that mention the Spurs are:

"The intention was not to get the best contract of my life. I knew I was not going to have the same salary, and that's proper at this age. So I'm satisfied; I think they are too. It's a fair deal"

"When I went to Italy at 22 years old, I thought I would play until I was 33. It was the age where important players retired. I'm fortunate to be 36 and be able to play two more seasons in one of the best sport organizations in the world. Definitely, the San Antonio Spurs are one of the best franchises in all sports in the US"

[cd98]

Anybody wants a full translation? let me know, tbh

The only other parts that mention the Spurs are:

"The intention was not to get the best contract of my life. I knew I was not going to have the same salary, and that's proper at this age. So I'm satisfied; I think they are too. It's a fair deal"

"When I went to Italy at 22 years old, I thought I would play until I was 33. It was the age where important players retired. I'm fortunate to be 36 and be able to play two more seasons in one of the best sport organizations in the world. Definitely, the San Antonio Spurs are one of the best franchises in all sports in the US"

I sure hope Manu doesn't read Spurstalk.

[Keepin' it real]

I sure hope Manu doesn't read Spurstalk.

If you were Manu, would you care what a bunch of bitter, jealous, resentful, insignificant people said about you on the internets?

[slick'81]

Welcome back manu

[timvp]

Actually, that's not what he said... here's the link to the article in spanish and the actual translation of the relevant part:

http://www.deportetandilense.com.ar/nota-Manu-Ginobili-anduvo-en-Tandil-14349.html

"The actual chances of going to another team were remote, and if nothing weird happened I was going to stay in San Antonio".

"Two or three teams inquired about me, fully aware that my priority was to stay with the Spurs. But it was something very informal; there were no offers. The only thing that would've made me doubt was if Pop or Bufford would have said that they had doubts about what I could give. When they said they were enthusiastic for me to return, I had no doubts".

"During the playoffs I felt it was the first time in 11 years on the NBA, plus 4 in Italy and 3 in Argentina that I didn't perform the way I wanted to. I produced a little less that I expected, both me and the team. And it hurt. I'm not used to that. I always took pride of being a player that during the playoffs or in difficult situations could give a plus. And I felt this season that didn't happen. I think I could've helped the team more, even maybe win another ring. I don't want that to happen again. I don't want to disappoint or be a burden to anybody. I want to play better next season, better than the last two seasons. I think I can"

I'm joining Bruno in denouncing projectspurs and their google translates as crap, tbh

Wow. That's even worse than the De Colo translation. This time, they published the exact opposite of the real translation.

I've never paid attention to which blog says what but we might have to ban articles from this site on SpursTalk since they're now just spewing BS for pageview apparently...

[timvp]

"I want to play better next season, better than the last two seasons. I think I can"

BTW, that's the best quote from Manu since the end of the playoffs :tu

[cd98]

If you were Manu, would you care what a bunch of bitter, jealous, resentful, insignificant people said about you on the internets?

Those quotes almost seems like a response to all the Manu hate.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm impressed ST vets held out cap space hope this long.

[Aiko9245]

For his sake, I hope his pen didn't miss at the line.

I kid. Give us two more great ones, #20.

[kemak]

Lonely paperclip is lonely.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO6WUZZCAAAEfW3.jpg:large

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[Johnny RIngo]

" I don't want to disappoint or be a burden to anybody. I want to play better next season, better than the last two seasons. I think I can"

10 ppg, 2 rpg, 3 apg on 39% shooting. Suits up for 50 games and misses the playoffs

[KL2]

Kawhi must have a monster year next for SA to win, terrible offseason.

[TheGoldStandard]

"I want to play better next season, better than the last two seasons. I think I can"

BTW, that's the best quote from Manu since the end of the playoffs :tu

Did Manu arrive to the contract signing in Doc Browns DeLorean? Can't turn back the sands of time for a guard.

[Sobe_Kucks]

Those quotes almost seems like a response to all the Manu hate.

He probably reads Spurstalk tbh.

[spurraider21]

He probably reads Spurstalk tbh.
If ElNono didnt post in game threads if be suspicious tbh :lol
he always offers to translate those articles, after all

[Libri]

Woj is good and all, but Woj finding out about Manu signing his contract before Manu does might be expecting a bit much.

:rollin

[ducks]

"I want to play better next season, better than the last two seasons. I think I can"

BTW, that's the best quote from Manu since the end of the playoffs :tu

can he play worse in the postseason?

[jestersmash]

Woj is good and all, but Woj finding out about Manu signing his contract before Manu does might be expecting a bit much.

I thought that was the joke..

[Kool Bob Love]

http://i.imgur.com/U0eyE2P.gif


Will be wearing my Manu Finals tee this weekend!:toast

[Baseline]

Manu Ginobili @manuginobili
(http://twitter.com/manuginobili)Now it's official. I've just signed my fourth contract with the Spurs for two more years. pic.twitter.com/7Q1U816eSw (http://t.co/7Q1U816eSw)


I'm not saying I didn't want Manu back at all, but seriously, in what universe do we pay him 2yrs/14M after what we witnessed in the Finals? I've been an enormous Manu fan since before he arrived in San Antonio. Watched clips of him with Bologna way before he became a Spur, and predicted he'd be a star player for us. But....do any of us even know who this guy is anymore?

[Baseline]

can he play worse in the postseason? No. It is not humanly possible for anybody to play worse.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'm not saying I didn't want Manu back at all, but seriously, in what universe do we pay him 2yrs/14M after what we witnessed in the Finals? I've been an enormous Manu fan since before he arrived in San Antonio. Watched clips of him with Bologna way before he became a Spur, and predicted he'd be a star player for us. But....do any of us even know who this guy is anymore?

Not just the finals but the whole post season, Shot 73%, 55 turnovers .30% from 3 and .399 from FG

[ElNono]

I'm not saying I didn't want Manu back at all, but seriously, in what universe do we pay him 2yrs/14M after what we witnessed in the Finals? I've been an enormous Manu fan since before he arrived in San Antonio. Watched clips of him with Bologna way before he became a Spur, and predicted he'd be a star player for us. But....do any of us even know who this guy is anymore?


Not just the finals but the whole post season, Shot 73%, 55 turnovers .30% from 3 and .399 from FG

:lol if Bonner didn't get a pink slip after a career of shitting in the playoffs, what makes you think a guy like Manu would?

This FO doesn't knee-jerk. They're going to give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he looks like next season. And it makes sense, because unlike Bonner, Manu has proven his worth over the years, even when he isn't supermanu.

[HI-FI]

:lol if Bonner didn't get a pink slip after a career of shitting in the playoffs, what makes you think a guy like Manu would?

This FO doesn't knee-jerk. They're going to give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he looks like next season. And it makes sense, because unlike Bonner, Manu has proven his worth over the years, even when he isn't supermanu.
:lol
always turning this back on Bonner. IIRC, Bonner actually showed up this postseason (for the most part) and didn't blow the Finals while having the biggest contract. I don't want to defend Bonner, his postseasons are already duly noted, but physically he's far more reliable than Senor Vidrio.

Point is that loyalty is a good thing, and I'm glad Spurs are loyal, but is it worth being loyal to people that are unreliable at this point in their career? (this could go for Bonner as well)

[ElNono]

:lol
always turning this back on Bonner. IIRC, Bonner actually showed up this postseason (for the most part) and didn't blow the Finals while having the biggest contract. I don't want to defend Bonner, his postseasons are already duly noted, but physically he's far more reliable than Senor Vidrio.

Point is that loyalty is a good thing, and I'm glad Spurs are loyal, but is it worth being loyal to people that are unreliable at this point in their career? (this could go for Bonner as well)

I don't buy it's just "loyalty". I think they do feel they get great production from him, and understand that replacing what he does on this particular team wouldn't be easy for them. They likely don't take for granted the 50 wins a season, like a lot of posters here do. They won't knee jerk over a game/series/playoff run. They also know who they're dealing with here, if Manu's decline becomes this pronounced and permanent, they're fully aware Manu will just retire.

As far as Bonner, I think they finally figured out they can't play him against certain teams. Took way too long to figure out, but apparently they're at that stage now.

[HI-FI]

I don't buy it's just "loyalty". I think they do feel they get great production from him, and understand that replacing what he does on this particular team wouldn't be easy for them. They likely don't take for granted the 50 wins a season, like a lot of posters here do. They won't knee jerk over a game/series/playoff run. They also know who they're dealing with here, if Manu's decline becomes this pronounced and permanent, they're fully aware Manu will just retire.

As far as Bonner, I think they finally figured out they can't play him against certain teams. Took way too long to figure out, but apparently they're at that stage now.
do you think your boy would've taken less had he known Ak47 was coming over, or would Manu throw a bitch fit, even after his shittiest year? also, you think Spurs knew AK47 wasn't even going to come here and knew something shady was brewing in the background so therefore had no problem giving Manu another friendly contract?
i've said before that I'm not as pissed about the Manu deal now knowing that Kirilenko was most likely never coming here to begin with, can't compete with that Russian mafia money.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Hey Manu haters! :eyebrows

[ElNono]

do you think your boy would've taken less had he known Ak47 was coming over, or would Manu throw a bitch fit, even after his shittiest year? also, you think Spurs knew AK47 wasn't even going to come here and knew something shady was brewing in the background so therefore had no problem giving Manu another friendly contract?
i've said before that I'm not as pissed about the Manu deal now knowing that Kirilenko was most likely never coming here to begin with, can't compete with that Russian mafia money.

I've no idea what they were thinking. Frankly, I don't see this FO as one that goes into the offseason without a plan, set priorities, etc. If I had to guess, I think they understand how hard it is to have a team that can compete for a championship and last season's team was that, flaws and all. So my guess is that the priority was to get the same team back, as close as possible, plus a couple of new projects to plug in. Then perhaps see if they could swing for some talent like AK, as a secondary priority. Under that scenario, re-signing Tiago and Manu, and getting insurance in case Neal got paid, were priority over hiring AK47/Ellis/etc. And that's the route they went.

From anything I've heard both Manu and the FO were happy to come to an agreement for the deal he eventually signed. Buford said today that Manu "made a significant sacrifice to come back", so that makes you think the money Manu took is the money the Spurs offered him. I think the Spurs are a team that doesn't forget Manu never bitched about coming off the bench when he was clearly a starter, or embracing the backup PG role because there was nobody else to run it, even though it's not the ideal position for him. He never cared how he personally looked like, and put the team first. When you look back at the Jax situation last season, and the forced exit because of the ego situation, you have to remember that's a lot of times the norm in the league.

[Baseline]

What's the over/under on when we start hearing the word amnesty regarding Manu's new contract? 20 games in? 40 games in? The miraculous thing is that he was - for Manu - quite healthy during this year's playoffs. That why watching him play so badly made no sense. It's like he had an injured brain.

[Sean Cagney]

Hey Manu haters! :eyebrows

Thats fine and dandy to say to the so called haters, but he better play better next playoffs and he knows it. He sucked late this year to be honest, some of the dumbest passes I have seen and some bad shooting too! He has to do better this year though, we needed him in game 6 and 7 to win the finals this year and his absense or presence at times hurt. I hope he was just hurt this year and he will play better next year! He was not bad until his injury this year, after that he was never the same.

With that being said I did not want him anywhere else and I hope he has a good year this year like Tim after 011 AND turns it around for a year or so! I wish for nothing more than this!

[ElNono]

What's the over/under on when we start hearing the word amnesty regarding Manu's new contract? 20 games in? 40 games in? The miraculous thing is that he was - for Manu - quite healthy during this year's playoffs. That why watching him play so badly made no sense. It's like he had an injured brain.

I'll put them at 0%, since you can only amnesty contracts from the previous CBA. That means the only player left the Spurs can amnesty is Tony Parker.

[HI-FI]

From anything I've heard both Manu and the FO were happy to come to an agreement for the deal he eventually signed. Buford said today that Manu "made a significant sacrifice to come back", so that makes you think the money Manu took is the money the Spurs offered him. I think the Spurs are a team that doesn't forget Manu never bitched about coming off the bench when he was clearly a starter, or embracing the backup PG role because there was nobody else to run it, even though it's not the ideal position for him. He never cared how he personally looked like, and put the team first. When you look back at the Jax situation last season, and the forced exit because of the ego situation, you have to remember that's a lot of times the norm in the league.
it occurred to me earlier, what if Spurs told Manu they would pay him South American scrub money (paraphrasing of course) if he plays for the national team again and runs his body down, or were willing to give him a much nicer deal if he agreed to give that shit up. If so, that would explain the "significant sacrifice" part. I know it's been said on here you can't prevent a player from playing for their national team, but perhaps it was a gentleman's agreement.

[Fireball]

http://i.imgur.com/U0eyE2P.gif

Will be wearing my Manu Finals tee this weekend!:toast

That gif is pure gold ... just fell off my chair

[Johnny RIngo]

I'll put them at 0%, since you can only amnesty contracts from the previous CBA. That means the only player left the Spurs can amnesty is Tony Parker.

IIRC, Bonner can also be amnestied.

[ElNono]

IIRC, Bonner can also be amnestied.

Correct, my bad. It would have to be this season before his deal expires.

[ElNono]

it occurred to me earlier, what if Spurs told Manu they would pay him South American scrub money (paraphrasing of course) if he plays for the national team again and runs his body down, or were willing to give him a much nicer deal if he agreed to give that shit up. If so, that would explain the "significant sacrifice" part. I know it's been said on here you can't prevent a player from playing for their national team, but perhaps it was a gentleman's agreement.

Doubt it. At the end of the day, the only complaints about NT play are in this board, not from FO. And it's not like they couldn't complain if they wanted to, Cuban does it all the time. IMO, this FO would rather they don't play, but also understand that they rather have a competitive player and that's one of the tradeoffs, and that they're normally short competitions with full insurance, which covers the business side. And this applies not just to Manu, but all of our international players.

[Bruno]

Using RealGM trade checker, Ginobili first year of his new contract is $7.50M. Depending on the structure of his contract, the second year is between $6.94M and $8.06M. His total contract value is between $14.44M and $15.56M.

[Bruno]

:lmao sacrifice...

[slick'81]

That's what I said when I heard rc's quote lol at sacrafice

[dbestpro]

The only thing that would complete the off season is if Pop finally got Josh Howard as the backup SF.

[ElNono]

:lol why would RC say that if it wasn't true? This isn't Manu saying it, it's the FO...

[cd98]

:lmao sacrifice...

I'm sure RC was projecting how good he thinks Ginoboli will be next year when considering it a "sacrifice." There's no way he could think that given Ginoboli's overall performance last year. That said, I think playing a team like the Heat was Ginoboli's worst nightmare. Teams that play a different defense style (not crazy athletes playing the passing lanes), are more his cup. In other words, I think Ginoboli plays well against the Pacers, but a team like Miami that plays the passing lanes has a much easier time picking off his passes when he tries to improvise.

[Bruno]

That said, I think playing a team like the Heat was Ginoboli's worst nightmare.

All the teams Spurs faced in the playoffs last year looked like his worst nightmare. Overall, Ginobili has been bad these past two seasons with Spurs. A lot of injuries during the regular season and the inability to really raise his level for the playoffs.

[cd98]

All the teams Spurs faced in the playoffs last year looked like his worst nightmare. Overall, Ginobili has been bad these past two seasons with Spurs. A lot of injuries during the regular season and the inability to really raise his level for the playoffs.

Granted his shot was way off the whole playoffs. But he was still a pretty good playmaker until Miami, where they were picking him off left and right.

[DAF86]

If only TP wouldn't have shat the bed so hard like he always does when we lose a playoffs series poor Manu wouldn't have had to make such a big sacrifice :cry

[Bruno]

Granted his shot was way off the whole playoffs. But he was still a pretty good playmaker until Miami, where they were picking him off left and right.

It's not like shooting is a big part of the game...

For an average player, Manu global playoffs were good but for a part of the "big 3" paid $14.1M, they were just bad.

Given his age, his likely decline and his recent plays, he got a more than fair contract.

But, I'm happy he is back.

[dbestpro]

I really was a big Manu fan leading up to last year. He was on that George Gervin, David Robinson level. Now, he has kind of slid to the Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott level. Another bad year, and who knows what level he might fall to.

[ElNono]

He was actually pretty good in last year playoffs (2011-2012), by any measure he did raise his level after a poor first series against Utah. He was just inconsistent.

[cd98]

It's not like shooting is a big part of the game...

For an average player, Manu global playoffs were good but for a part of the "big 3" paid $14.1M, they were just bad.

Given his age, his likely decline and his recent plays, he got a more than fair contract.

But, I'm happy he is back.

Yes, I know shooting is important for a shooting guard. That said, even when his shot is off, he can be an effective playmaker. I'd compare him to Kidd, who also had issues with his shot throughout his career, but was an excellent/elite playmaker. Manu isn't Kidd, but he is good enough to impact a game with his passing. Unfortunately, for him, when you play Miami, your passes have to be dead on and just dribbling into traffic and jumping in the air and then trying to make a pass is a recipe for turnovers. And Ginoboli had way, way too many.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

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[Blake]

Belinelli signed => end of the cap space ability.

Disappointing off-season.

Lol

[Seventyniner]

Lol

Come on now. The regular season was a resounding success and the playoffs have been great so far, but the offseason really was disappointing. Ayers is a 13th man and Beli hasn't been good.

[xmas1997]

But the contract given Manu sure looks really good now, doesn't it?

[Jimcs50]

But the contract given Manu sure looks really good now, doesn't it?

Fuck an A

[spurraider21]

can't wait for bonner's contract thread this summer

[xmas1997]

can't wait for bonner's contract thread this summer

Bonner needs to be signed so he can be used in a trade for Love IMHO.