Monta Ellis to the Mavs

[Michael Jordan.]

Per marc stein

[Juggity]

:lol

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao

[MeloHype]

Wow mavs actually got someone good

[Joyrider]

STTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCKED

[racm]

um?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219705&p=6754170#post6754170

[Clipper Nation]

Wow mavs actually got someone good
No they didn't :lol

[Robz4000]

God damn Mavs got a steal!

















































:lmao

[DAF86]

Wow mavs actually got someone good

Monta "19.2 pts on 17.5 shots" Ellis is good?

[MeloHype]

Monta "19.2 pts on 17.5 shots" Ellis is good?
Yes, he will shoot at least 45% next season.

[Killakobe81]

Good shit.

1. Sure he is shot happy, but besides Dirk who else would you want shooting on the Mavs?
2. He is quick. A Montae Dirk pnr has GREAT potential tbh ...
3. He sucks on defense but is great at steal which lead to easy hoops.
4. RC is a great coach and might get him to discipline his game.
5. No big should give him plenty of driving lanes.

Solid move. Shitty defensive back-court, but hey the Lakers will probably worse. Good news is they probably keep us out of the 8th seed which is great for us in the big picture. We cant outright tank, but if Dallas, Portland pelicans nudge us out of the 8th seed that would be a blessing tbh.

[LkrFan]

:corn:

[DAF86]

Yes, he will shoot at least 45% next season.

If you say so.

[DPG21920]

Calderon, Harris, Ellington, Monta = Profits.

[Michael Jordan.]

:lmao blowing up a championship team for Monta Ellis

[DAF86]

1. Sure he is shot happy, but besides Dirk who else would you want shooting on the Mavs?


Someone that can atcually shoot. With that said, if Monta can play team ball and attack the ball instead of settling for jumpers he has a longshot of being an important piece for the Mavs.

[racm]

It must hurt having only Shawn Marion as the plus defender on your team.

[Killakobe81]

:lmao blowing up a championship team for Monta Ellis

NOW THAT I can'tr defend. Cubes and the "dry powder plan" was a failure.
Montae at $10 mill, when he turned down $14 mill is a relative bargain for a proven scorer. Sure he shoots too much but bickets are a premium in the NBA. plus he is great in transition. Mayo had a great 1st half under Carlisle maybe Ellis does much better.

[D-Wade]

Better than OJ Mayo at least.

[BatManu20]

355774759562252288

[-21-]

I'd ask for I trade I was Dirk. Cuban's gambles pay off once in a hundred tries.

[Killakobe81]

After missing on Dwight, Iggy dont see what else was better out there for Mavs to get. Guy was overpaid at $14 mill and maybe even still at $10 million. But he can score and Mavs fill a need. I dont see why people hating on THIS move.

Now on breaking up the 2011 Champions? I was beating that drum all 2012. But that shiip has sailed ...

[spurraider21]

:lol kobefan defending Monta Ellis.
:lol overvaluing inefficient volume scoring per par

[Michael Jordan.]

After missing on Dwight, Iggy dont see what else was better out there for Mavs to get. Guy was overpaid at $14 mill and maybe even still at $10 million. But he can score and Mavs fill a need. I dont see why people hating on THIS move.

Now on breaking up the 2011 Champions? I was beating that drum all 2012. But that shiip has sailed ...
The phrase "black hole on offense" is everything that is Monta Ellis.

[Michael Jordan.]

41% shooting last year

28% 3 point shooting

:lmao

[MeloHype]

http://i.imgur.com/BNBjRXV.jpg

[Bill_Brasky]

All joking aside, not a bad signing.

[Killakobe81]

:lol kobefan defending Monta Ellis.
:lol overvaluing inefficient volume scoring per par

Not defending him or his game. Just saying the move or gamble makes sense on Cubes part. I said he was overpaid I also said he shoots too much, Kobe does too. But how does that mean it's not a good risk/reward gamble for dem Mavs?

[Killakobe81]

All joking aside, not a bad signing.

Exactly. Mavs fans besides Rogue and ocassionally Philip can be pricks (Laker fans too) but doesnt change the fact it was a solid move all things considered. They had an aging VC as their #2 option on offense now he can be the third option and RC gets a chance to "coach him up". If he resists Rc's coaching then a bad gamble.

[BatManu20]

Monta's shot chart from last season.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO_40WMCEAErgTB.png:large

[DAF86]

It would be a good risk/reward sign if he wasn't paid 10 mil per year.

[Killakobe81]

But I think Carlisle gets him to harness some of his talent. I liive in DFW and RC reminds me of Pop with less sarcasm. A great coach. We will see ewhat he does with Monta. They still the third best team in Texas, but maybe they are better than my Lakers.

[Bill_Brasky]

He'll be better than OJ Mayo at least. The guy can flat out score, if he allows himself to be coached there's no reason he can't be solid for them, albeit a bit overpaid.

[Killakobe81]

It would be a good risk/reward sign if he wasn't paid 10 mil per year.

To me this is the offensive version of teh Josh Smith to Detroit signing. Neither guy is worth they are getting paid, but both have talent and flaws. Cubes paid him a bit more than I would want but he needed to get Dirk some help on both offense and defense. Calderon and monta help with the "o". They still lck teh defense but I am sure Cubes is not done. He seems liek a cool owner who tries to out smart everyone and yacks too much, but you cant say he doesnt try to improve the Mavs. He fucked up not letting his team defend the title. But he has consistently put a good team in dallas most years of his ownership.

[DPG21920]

This roster is awful. Just look at their team.

[Findog]

Yuck - would much rather have undertaken "Riggin' for Wiggins"

[Killakobe81]

This roster is awful. Just look at their team.

Right now:

PF Dirk
SF Marion
SG Ellis
PG Calderon
6th man: VC


Sure doesnt look like a title contender but if healthy they will be in teh hunt for the 8th seed. They were in the hunt last year with Dirk hurt part of the season. Again they are the worst team in Texas, but Sours and Rox are a great and good team.

[Killakobe81]

Yuck - would much rather have undertaken "Riggin' for Wiggins"

I feel teh same about my team, but Cubes and Mitch dont have that "quit" in them.

[Samuel Eto'o]

Cubes and Donnie using that destination appeal and snaggin up Monta Ellis from heavy competition for just 3 years and 30 million dollars.

[Killakobe81]

Oden or Dalembert deal up next ...

[racm]

Dalembert/Nowitzki/Marion/Ellis/Calderon.

Even with Dirk, Jose, and Shawn that's a dumb team tbh

[Michael Jordan.]

All Cuban is doing is delaying the inevitable rebuilding process.

[Findog]

Oden or Dalembert deal up next ...

Kinda feeling meh about that...the lottery next year is filled with a lot of talent even beyond Andrew Wiggins. Doesn't make sense to spend all this money just so they can lock down a sixth seed and a first-round exit.

[LkrFan]

But I think Carlisle gets him to harness some of his talent. I liive in DFW and RC reminds me of Pop with less sarcasm. A great coach. We will see ewhat he does with Monta. They still the third best team in Texas, but maybe they are better than my Lakers.
Disagree. You're trying too hard to be unbiased here. Even without D12, the Lakers will be better than the Mavs. With the exception of 2011* - Lakers always have been and always will be better than the Mavs.

* One and done.

[Killakobe81]

Kinda feeling meh about that...the lottery next year is filled with a lot of talent even beyond Andrew Wiggins. Doesn't make sense to spend all this money just so they can lock down a sixth seed and a first-round exit.

I feel ya. I hate to admit it and Laker fans will kill me for it, but I hope Kobe suffers a (minor) set-backin rehab. What good is a playoff first round ouster? Id rather get a good asset (we have no pick in 2015) with our ONE first round draft pick o fteh past what, 3 seasons?! I doubt we get wiggins anyway ...but a good prospect is invaluable especially if you plan to sign big $ palyers elsewhere.

[Killakobe81]

Disagree. You're trying too hard to be unbiased here. Even without D12, the Lakers will be better than the Mavs. With the exception of 2011* - Lakers always have been and always will be better than the Mavs.

* One and done.

Depends on Kobe. Dirk is better than Pau and Nash is not significantly better than Calderon at this stage. Maybe he is still better but not by the mountain he was three years ago. No MWP and I would argue Marion is better than anything we have at SF/PF outside of Pau. Bottom line is no one knows what Kobe will be next year. Montae is better than Nick Young or Meeks. Vince too.

[spurraider21]

Right now:

PF Dirk
SF Marion
SG Ellis
PG Calderon
6th man: VC


Sure doesnt look like a title contender but if healthy they will be in teh hunt for the 8th seed. They were in the hunt last year with Dirk hurt part of the season. Again they are the worst team in Texas, but Sours and Rox are a great and good team.

being "in the hunt for the 8th seed" is probably the worst position a team can be in, unless its a young and up and coming team. this just means they aren't contenders and aren't allowing themselves to make rapid improvements via the draft.

[clambake]

"we are goin to be soooooooo dominant now"

[Thread]

And this is the cream of the crop. Can ya imagine it?

Jesus H. Christ.

[AaronY]

Monta's shot chart from last season.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO_40WMCEAErgTB.png:large

yep, he should pretty much never shoot a jumper again..so natch he makes it rain jumpers

[AaronY]

Cubes and Donnie using that destination appeal and snaggin up Monta Ellis from heavy competition for just 3 years and 30 million dollars.
Lol

[Phillip]

i think the point is to gather as much talent as possible, and trade them down the road for other more valuable assets (picks or star power)

that's pretty much what they did in 03-04 when they got jamison/walker, and turned it into Harris/Stackhouse/Terry/Van Horn by 2005, and ended up in the finals the next year.

still baffles me that cubes didn't just keep the title team, and do the same with them. having pieces like Butler/Barea/Chandler could have given them a MUCH better chance of landing a star like CP3, Howard, Harden, etc...

[monosylab1k]

We bout to go full blown small ball.

[monosylab1k]

tbh it really isnt a bad smallball lineup. Our defense will be horrid but it was going to be anyways.

[Thread]

I don't want to come off petty, but, let us not forget it was your old dad that cited Barea first. We're not forgetting that...EVER.

Let us proceed...

[HarlemHeat37]

Like the Lakers, Dallas would have been better off tanking in a great draft, tbh, but guys like Kobe and Dirk aren't going to accept tanking, so you might as well collect talent and make a run for a bottom seed, tbh..being 8th is better than being 10th/11th..

Dallas is going to get murdered in the paint, but like Mono said, their small lineup should be really good..Calderon/Harris/Ellis/Carter/Dirk is top-notch perimeter talent, tbh..

[DAF86]

Like the Lakers, Dallas would have been better off tanking in a great draft, tbh, but guys like Kobe and Dirk aren't going to accept tanking, so you might as well collect talent and make a run for a bottom seed, tbh..being 8th is better than being 10th/11th..

Dallas is going to get murdered in the paint, but like Mono said, their small lineup should be really good..Calderon/Harris/Ellis/Carter/Dirk is top-notch perimeter talent, tbh..

I doubt those 5 guys will play together much if at all.

[monosylab1k]

Calderon/Harris/Ellis/Marion/Dirk will probably be a more likely lineup, tho Dirk at center is scary bad for our defense, along with dogshit rebounding.

[benefactor]

At least they will be fun to watch. Better than having to watch Kobe's crippled ass hobble up and down the court all season. But Kobefan won't mind...they will just talk about what a :crygreat fucking warrior:cry he is.

[DPG21920]

They aren't even going to be fun to watch IMO. They aren't really ahletic, their spacing will be meh because outside of Dirk/Calderon, no one can really shoot & their defense will be horrific.

They have to be acquiring talent to move (as Philip said) but the thing is, they really didn't acquire a lot of talent and they are on longer contracts. If you are going to push for the playoffs (bottom seeds) why not sign the most upside guys (i.e. Bynum)? If it works, you are legit and if it doesn't you get a great pick. You also maintain your cap flexibility. Now, the Mavs sort of have to move some players if they want cap space and you don't want to be in a position to have to do anything.

If healthy they will still be a decent team: Calderon/Monta/Marion/Dirk/Wright or Dalembert type with a bench of Harris/Carter/Wright or Dalembert-type, but damn, they royaly messed this up for Dirk.

[LkrFan]

Depends on Kobe. Dirk is better than Pau and Nash is not significantly better than Calderon at this stage. Maybe he is still better but not by the mountain he was three years ago. No MWP and I would argue Marion is better than anything we have at SF/PF outside of Pau. Bottom line is no one knows what Kobe will be next year. Montae is better than Nick Young or Meeks. Vince too.

Agreed - but I'm not worried about Kobe. He's ahead of schedule in terms of his rehab - as has already been reported in that Laker Times vid. I honestly don't think he will have to "carry" the Lakers as much as others think. We've had some nice additions to our previously putrid bench (Farmar, Young, and yes - even Caveman). Like I said before, many players were made to look really good in MDA's system. Scoring was a problem last year due to a ton of injuries and Howard's dumbass not wanting to play PNR - even though he was running it with the 2nd best PNR PG of all time. The few times we ran it, he scored at a high clip. SMH.

Dirk is better than Pau but I expect that gap to shorten this year for a few reasons. Pau is a center. MB and MDA both tried to make him play PF to fit next to Bynum and D12 - shooting 3s and shit. He is our starting center this year and at this stage of his career he is not agile enough to play PF no more. Another reason is this is his contract year. Most players ball hard in that year. It's put up or shut up and he knows it. Him and Kobe have tremendous chemistry that took a back seat th Bynum's 2011 emergence as an all star and placation of D12 this past year. Playing in MDA's system, I expect an all star season from him this year - barring an injury.

Collectively, Nash and Farmar are better than Calderon. It doesn't matter if Matrix is better than our PFs or if you think Monta Ellis is better than Nick Young or Meeks. They still have to play the games. Last year was a train wreck no doubt. I know that the Lakers aren't winning shit for a while, but to think that the Mavs will be better this year? I disagree son.

[monosylab1k]

The best option is to just trade Dirk and tank but Cuban is too stubborn and stupid for that. Next best option is to have a team that can compete for a playoff spot and is fun to watch. I think this team will score a lot of points, which is "fun" for the casual fans. For true Mavs fans and more in depth basketball fans, this team will be more frustrating than fun.

[LkrFan]

They aren't even going to be fun to watch IMO. They aren't really ahletic, their spacing will be meh because outside of Dirk/Calderon, no one can really shoot & their defense will be horrific.

They have to be acquiring talent to move (as Philip said) but the thing is, they really didn't acquire a lot of talent and they are on longer contracts. If you are going to push for the playoffs (bottom seeds) why not sign the most upside guys (i.e. Bynum)? If it works, you are legit and if it doesn't you get a great pick. You also maintain your cap flexibility. Now, the Mavs sort of have to move some players if they want cap space and you don't want to be in a position to have to do anything.

If healthy they will still be a decent team: Calderon/Monta/Marion/Dirk/Wright or Dalembert type with a bench of Harris/Carter/Wright or Dalembert-type, but damn, they royaly messed this up for Dirk.

Cubes outsmarted himself by not signing Bynum. Not signing Bynum is dumber than not retaining Daddy Tyson.

[DPG21920]

The best option is to just trade Dirk and tank but Cuban is too stubborn and stupid for that. Next best option is to have a team that can compete for a playoff spot and is fun to watch. I think this team will score a lot of points, which is "fun" for the casual fans. For true Mavs fans and more in depth basketball fans, this team will be more frustrating than fun.

Well I don't know if Monta & Dirk = a ton of points. Wright is not a scorer. Calderon is not a scorer. Marion is not a scorer. You might be able to say Harris/VC are scorers in addition to Dirk/Monta, but they don't seem to have 3 guys that can average 20 PPG.

[DPG21920]

Agreed - but I'm not worried about Kobe. He's ahead of schedule in terms of his rehab - as has already been reported in that Laker Times vid. I honestly don't think he will have to "carry" the Lakers as much as others think. We've had some nice additions to our previously putrid bench (Farmar, Young, and yes - even Caveman). Like I said before, many players were made to look really good in MDA's system. Scoring was a problem last year due to a ton of injuries and Howard's dumbass not wanting to play PNR - even though he was running it with the 2nd best PNR PG of all time. The few times we ran it, he scored at a high clip. SMH.

Dirk is better than Pau but I expect that gap to shorten this year for a few reasons. Pau is a center. MB and MDA both tried to make him play PF to fit next to Bynum and D12 - shooting 3s and shit. He is our starting center this year and at this stage of his career he is not agile enough to play PF no more. Another reason is this is his contract year. Most players ball hard in that year. It's put up or shut up and he knows it. Him and Kobe have tremendous chemistry that took a back seat th Bynum's 2011 emergence as an all star and placation of D12 this past year. Playing in MDA's system, I expect an all star season from him this year - barring an injury.

Collectively, Nash and Farmar are better than Calderon. It doesn't matter if Matrix is better than our PFs or if you think Monta Ellis is better than Nick Young or Meeks. They still have to play the games. Last year was a train wreck no doubt. I know that the Lakers aren't winning shit for a while, but to think that the Mavs will be better this year? I disagree son.

So you think an injured Kobe + Farmar + Kaman + Young is a net gain over losing Dwight + Ebanks + Jamison + healthy Kobe + Duhon + Morris + Clark (who saved LA's season tbh..) + MWP?

[monosylab1k]

Well I don't know if Monta & Dirk = a ton of points. Wright is not a scorer. Calderon is not a scorer. Marion is not a scorer. You might be able to say Harris/VC are scorers in addition to Dirk/Monta, but they don't seem to have 3 guys that can average 20 PPG.

This team has a ton of fast break finishers and a PG who can orchestrate one. Ellis/Harris/Marion/Carter/Wright can all run the floor and finish. Dirk is a great trailing 3pt shooter. They definitely have the personnel to put up points, and a coach who can put them in position to do it. The problem is their defense and rebounding which will hurt their fast break opportunities.

[BatManu20]

being "in the hunt for the 8th seed" is probably the worst position a team can be in, unless its a young and up and coming team. this just means they aren't contenders and aren't allowing themselves to make rapid improvements via the draft.

Yep. Fighting for the 8th seed = NBA purgatory. Worst position a team can be in. Might as well tank tbh.

I think in this case though, Cuban is doing anything and everything he can to salvage SOMETHING that their fan base can root for now that his "signing a top FA" plan has backfired terribly.

[DPG21920]

Well, I disagree some. I don't think they will be as good offensively as you say. The only one who can run the fast break well is Calderon. If he is on the court the best case scenario break-wise is:

Calderon/Monta/VC/Marion/Dirk. To me, that is not a ton of points team and they aren't that athletic either to really get a ton of fast break points. They are decently athletic in that line up, but not enough to consistently get fast break points. In the half court, they will be just ok as well.

[monosylab1k]

Well, I disagree some. I don't think they will be as good offensively as you say. The only one who can run the fast break well is Calderon. If he is on the court the best case scenario break-wise is:

Calderon/Monta/VC/Marion/Dirk. To me, that is not a ton of points team and they aren't that athletic either to really get a ton of fast break points. They are decently athletic in that line up, but not enough to consistently get fast break points. In the half court, they will be just ok as well.

Well, you've been wrong bout dem Mavs :smokin before so we'll see.

[DPG21920]

:lol

[jeebus]

Well, you've been wrong bout dem Mavs :smokin before so we'll see.
you're too beautiful for this forum; it will be painful watching future threads from you if/when the Mavs begin to implode.

[LkrFan]

So you think an injured Kobe + Farmar + Kaman + Young is a net gain over losing Dwight + Ebanks + Jamison + healthy Kobe + Duhon + Morris + Clark (who saved LA's season tbh..) + MWP?

I hear what you are saying. The Lakers didn't have a reliable bench. So MDA (for better or worse) was forced to play Kobe, etc. a ton of minutes. I believe that Caveman, Farmar, and Young will allow him to somewhat rest the starters. The Lakers should have been an offensive juggernaut (on paper) last year but they wasn't. Too many chucked long jumpers and 3s - which lead to fastbreak opportunities for the opposition - coupled with being one of the worst transition defenses league wide often spelled doom more often than not. Why did they have to chuck so many 3s? Because D12 was a turnover (3.0/game) waiting to happen which also lead to fast breaks. Our 2nd best post player - Pau - was made to shoot 3s to make room for D12's no post game having ass. Our best post player - Kobe - couldn't go down there and abuse PGs/SGs/SFs at will and was relegated to chucking from the outside. It was a disaster.

The FAs we picked up will fit better. Why? Because they all can shoot outside of the paint. Caveman can shoot. Young can shoot. Farmar (wildcard) can shoot too. That will all lead to spacing. How often did teams just pack the paint on the Lakers, collect the rebound, then run out for an easy 2 (or and-1)? Too often for my taste.

We'll be better and more balanced offensively but take a couple steps back defensively (if that is even possible :lol). We'll put up points and notch between 45 or 50 wins and eek out a playoff spot. This is an evaluation year for the Lakers. Who will they retain for 2014 - when they have a ton of cap space? Who will they let go? Given that of the 9 players we have under contract, only 2 are on the payroll for 2014 (Nash at $9M and Sacre at about $1M), I expect every player to be auditioning their asses off for next year (especially Pau).

To address the bolded: Edranks didn't play. Duhon sucked ass. There is a reason why Morris wasn't retained. Jamison had a few good offensive games and is replaceable. Now, the losses of MWP (defensively) and Clark (has a lot of upside IMO) to me are the worst. Would have loved to see Clark blossom as a Laker. I hope he does well 80 games next year.

Bottom line: with no championship expectations, I will sit back and enjoy this upcoming season. I still think they are better than the Mavs though. :toast

[DPG21920]

It's a legit argument (Mavs v LA) but with Kobe's injury and the loss of talent/depth, I have to give the nod to the crappy Mavs over the crappy Lakers at this point.

[Rogue]

We have a legit #2 option now at the very least. hope we still have money to sign a decent big

[Rogue]

i think the point is to gather as much talent as possible, and trade them down the road for other more valuable assets (picks or star power)

that's pretty much what they did in 03-04 when they got jamison/walker, and turned it into Harris/Stackhouse/Terry/Van Horn by 2005, and ended up in the finals the next year.

still baffles me that cubes didn't just keep the title team, and do the same with them. having pieces like Butler/Barea/Chandler could have given them a MUCH better chance of landing a star like CP3, Howard, Harden, etc...

aging stars wouldn't appeal to those teams though. like Findog often says, the best we can do now is stockpile trading assets in the forms of young talents and picks, while waiting for a chance to land a superstar like Boston and Houston did. It doesn't make any big difference to me whether they make playoffs or miss, whether they get asskicked in the 1st round or the conference finals, but getting Wiggins or anyone else wouldn't guarantee us another championship run either. at least we're staying relevant, we have a team that's competent enough for a playoff spot, just go there playing and hope for the best imho. I don't see us contending for another title anytime soon but anything can happen in this league, no one (except Ghazi) thought we were title contenders in 2010 either if memory serves me well.

[DPG21920]

:lmao legit number two star

[Mori Chu]

The only explanation I can think of for this horrible signing is that they wanted to make their horrible Calderon signing look less bad by comparison. Neither Mavs nor Lakers will make the playoffs, so what is the point? Next year's playoffs in the West will be this year, minus Lakers, plus Portland.

[Vash StampedE]

Finally.....the end of the Mavs franchise:lol

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Monta Ellis vs the Grizzlies last season

http://www.nba.com/games/20121219/MILMEM/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore
http://www.nba.com/games/20121107/MEMMIL/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

9.5ppg on 18.8% shooting (6-32 from the field) against the Grizzlies last season.

And he has to face the Grizzlies now 4 times a season. Ouch.

[monosylab1k]

The only explanation I can think of for this horrible signing is that they wanted to make their horrible Calderon signing look less bad by comparison. Neither Mavs nor Lakers will make the playoffs, so what is the point? Next year's playoffs in the West will be this year, minus Lakers, plus Portland.

:lmao suns

[Killakobe81]

The only explanation I can think of for this horrible signing is that they wanted to make their horrible Calderon signing look less bad by comparison. Neither Mavs nor Lakers will make the playoffs, so what is the point? Next year's playoffs in the West will be this year, minus Lakers, plus Portland.

Fine by me. Promise?!

[Jacob1983]

Now all the Mavs need is Dalembert and they might be a playoff team. I know people are shitting on this signing but I think it will help Dirk out a lot. With Ellis, Dirk will not be heavily relied on to carry the Mavs offensively. He can hang out on the 3 point line and either shoot or pass the ball to Ellis and Ellis can go to the damn hoop. Ellis needs to realize that he sucks ass at 3 pointers and needs to just go to the hoop and flop and/or score.

[ezau]

Tbh, this is a good signing. The only reason Ellis has terrible shot-selection is because he's being asked to do so much with the Bucks. I wanted the Spurs to sign Ellis but the FO is such a pussy to even pull the trigger.

[Thread]

Tbh, this is a good signing. The only reason Ellis has terrible shot-selection is because he's being asked to do so much with the Bucks. I wanted the Spurs to sign Ellis but the FO is such a pussy to even pull the trigger.

Your FO recognized a loser in Ellis. And they were correct.

If HE backpedals 3 inches more either way we're not having this conversation, Ez. Act like somebody, gd it.

You want what you cannot have. Put it away.

[ezau]

Your FO recognized a loser in Ellis. And they were correct.

If HE backpedals 3 inches more either way we're not having this conversation, Ez. Act like somebody, gd it.

You want what you cannot have. Put it away.

I smell skunk.

[monosylab1k]

Your FO recognized a loser in Ellis. And they were correct.

If HE backpedals 3 inches more either way we're not having this conversation, Ez. Act like somebody, gd it.

You want what you cannot have. Put it away.
You've nary room. Your Magic quit in 86.

[racm]

Tbh, this is a good signing. The only reason Ellis has terrible shot-selection is because he's being asked to do so much with the Bucks. I wanted the Spurs to sign Ellis but the FO is such a pussy to even pull the trigger.

Ellis wants Parker-level money to be a Neal-level player, not worth it.

I'd rather have the corpse of Manu and Belinelli.

[AaronY]

:lmao legit number two star

[HeatChamps]

:lol Mavs.

[Rogue]

We're just a Dalembert away from making another DMC combo... Dalembert-Monta-Calderon and the old DMC (Dirk, Marion and Carter), we're certainly gonna contend next season, we STAAACCKED!!!

[Raven]

i can't hate on one of my fantasy players going to a shitty team.

[Bruce Wayne]

:lol

[lefty]

Fuck you, I was about to bump this, tbh

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Still a scrub chucker and always will be.

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[m>s]

He really reverted back to his old bonehead chucker ways tonight. He's really made great strides in that regard since coming to Dallas but tonight was not good. We're one and done if he does that in april

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Agreed - but I'm not worried about Kobe. He's ahead of schedule in terms of his rehab - as has already been reported in that Laker Times vid. I honestly don't think he will have to "carry" the Lakers as much as others think. We've had some nice additions to our previously putrid bench (Farmar, Young, and yes - even Caveman). Like I said before, many players were made to look really good in MDA's system. Scoring was a problem last year due to a ton of injuries and Howard's dumbass not wanting to play PNR - even though he was running it with the 2nd best PNR PG of all time. The few times we ran it, he scored at a high clip. SMH.

Dirk is better than Pau but I expect that gap to shorten this year for a few reasons. Pau is a center. MB and MDA both tried to make him play PF to fit next to Bynum and D12 - shooting 3s and shit. He is our starting center this year and at this stage of his career he is not agile enough to play PF no more. Another reason is this is his contract year. Most players ball hard in that year. It's put up or shut up and he knows it. Him and Kobe have tremendous chemistry that took a back seat th Bynum's 2011 emergence as an all star and placation of D12 this past year. Playing in MDA's system, I expect an all star season from him this year - barring an injury.

Collectively, Nash and Farmar are better than Calderon. It doesn't matter if Matrix is better than our PFs or if you think Monta Ellis is better than Nick Young or Meeks. They still have to play the games. Last year was a train wreck no doubt. I know that the Lakers aren't winning shit for a while, but to think that the Mavs will be better this year? I disagree son.
So much fail in one post :lmao

[Killakobe81]

:lol Still a scrub chucker and always will be.

579869360652738560

Monta has carried the Mavs at times this year. In fact many local fans argued that Ellis deserved the nod over Dirk for the ASG. Not to make excuses but he has hip injury he is fighting through and of course the fit with rondo sucks. Although he is not a chucker, Dirk has had some clunkers this year and no one shits on him. Another reason "rings" matter. most of this season Dirk has not been Dirk but Parsons, Rondo and now Ellis get the blame. As someone posted above RC has done wonders for Ellis he rarely just chucks unless he is hot. Just a few weeks back he ethered my sorry Lakers by himself. Without Ellis they woud have lost ast Staples.

BTW, I love Dirk (dont like Rondo's game) just sayin ...

[m>s]

Dirk can't carry the team anymore he's 36 or 37. The reason why those other guys get more shit is because they were brought in to form a supporting cast capable of taking some of the load off Dirk. So far they haven't been able to do so, the team still sinks or swims based off how Dirk plays that night. Monta ellis wants a max extension but has games where he goes 3-13, 1 for 15 etc and that ain't gonna cut it. Parsons got paid more than role player money so he can stop disappearing too. He doesn't get role player show up once in a while money, he gets third option on a good team money and needs to fucking act like it all the time - not just when he feels like.

[Killakobe81]

Dirk can't carry the team anymore he's 36 or 37. The reason why those other guys get more shit is because they were brought in to form a supporting cast capable of taking some of the load off Dirk. So far they haven't been able to do so, the team still sinks or swims based off how Dirk plays that night. Monta ellis wants a max extension but has games where he goes 3-13, 1 for 15 etc and that ain't gonna cut it. Parsons got paid more than role player money so he can stop disappearing too. He doesn't get role player show up once in a while money, he gets third option on a good team money and needs to fucking act like it all the time - not just when he feels like.

good points, I cant disagree.

[m>s]

And there is no chance in hell of rondo being back in Dallas. He still thinks it's 2008 and wants big money but he's regressed so much he's actually a below average nba pg. there are times where he is the 3rd best pg on the Mavs

[Thread]

And there is no chance in hell of rondo being back in Dallas. He still thinks it's 2008 and wants big money but he's regressed so much he's actually a below average nba pg. there are times where he is the 3rd best pg on the Mavs

It will be interesting to see how it's done, though you struck such a template when you let Nash go. Rondo will not go as quietly. He'll raise some Hell.

[Monostradamus]

Yes, he will shoot at least 45% next season.
Good call tbh, shot 45.1% last year.

[Findog]

It will be interesting to see how it's done, though you struck such a template when you let Nash go. Rondo will not go as quietly. He'll raise some Hell.

The Mavs I think would still be willing at this point to have Rondo back at a certain price provided he doesn't hamstring their flexibility to make other moves. It's been real up and down with him overall, but the Kidd trade looked like a disaster after our first foray into the playoffs with him. And we see how that turned out.

But I think Rondo will be a Laker because Kobe and Fredo Buss have a hard-on for him and will give him the contract Dallas won't. Cuban has a number in mind for Rondo and won't exceed it.

[Findog]

Monta has carried the Mavs at times this year. In fact many local fans argued that Ellis deserved the nod over Dirk for the ASG. Not to make excuses but he has hip injury he is fighting through and of course the fit with rondo sucks. Although he is not a chucker, Dirk has had some clunkers this year and no one shits on him. Another reason "rings" matter. most of this season Dirk has not been Dirk but Parsons, Rondo and now Ellis get the blame. As someone posted above RC has done wonders for Ellis he rarely just chucks unless he is hot. Just a few weeks back he ethered my sorry Lakers by himself. Without Ellis they woud have lost ast Staples.

BTW, I love Dirk (dont like Rondo's game) just sayin ...

Yeah, Dirk has not been his superstar self this year. He's not their best player, and I think their best five-man unit is probably Rondo, Monta, Parsons, Aminu and Tyson. Father Time looks to have caught up with him.

[Phillip]

I think their best five-man unit is probably Rondo, Monta, Parsons, Aminu and Tyson. Father Time looks to have caught up with him.

Um, that's quite a stretch there. He's not been himself, but the team clearly looks better on the court with his general presence, simply because of the spacing and defensive attention he still draws.

[Findog]

Um, that's quite a stretch there. He's not been himself, but the team clearly looks better on the court with his general presence, simply because of the spacing and defensive attention he still draws.

Thing is, this team's status as a true contender relies on him still being a high level star player. Some night he looks like his old self and the formula works and they beat the Clippers by 30...but he can't carry a team night to night like he used to, and the supporting cast is good but not quite good enough to fill in the gaps. In the East, though, they'd probably be the third seed.

[Malik Hairston]

Rondo is the most overrated player of this generation, and it isn't even close IMO..

Even in his prime, these were the Celtics offensive rankings since Rondo became a high-usage player:

2013: 24th
2012: 27th
2011: 18th
2010: 15th
2009: 6th(arguable)

Defensive-minded PGs with no offensive ability are liabilities in today's game, tbh..Rondo isn't nearly the same athlete as he was in his prime, too, and his offense has progressively declined..

I understand the Kidd comparison in theory, but if you look at the shooting numbers, as bad as Kidd's shooting was with the Mavs, he looks like Steph Curry compared to Rondo..

Kidd in 2011 regular season: 50% True Shooting, well below average
Playoffs: 56% True Shooting, a little above average, respectable

Rondo in the 2015 regular season: 43.7% True Shooting:wow

This is also on a Mavs team that doesn't have prime Dirk or prime Chandler or even Terry for spacing, too..

I can't fathom why any non-tanking team would sign Rondo after this season, he's so fucking terrible, tbh..it's so easy to gameplan against him, it's extremely difficult for a team to overcome 1 guy that is afraid to shoot at all times..he's even afraid of getting fouled, which is fatal for a guard..

It was fine in the grind-out, defensive era of slow and ugly possession basketball, but it doesn't work today where most of the players on the floor are 2-way players..

[Thread]

Rondo is the most overrated player of this generation, and it isn't even close IMO..

Even in his prime, these were the Celtics offensive rankings since Rondo became a high-usage player:

2013: 24th
2012: 27th
2011: 18th
2010: 15th
2009: 6th(arguable)

Defensive-minded PGs with no offensive ability are liabilities in today's game, tbh..Rondo isn't nearly the same athlete as he was in his prime, too, and his offense has progressively declined..

I understand the Kidd comparison in theory, but if you look at the shooting numbers, as bad as Kidd's shooting was with the Mavs, he looks like Steph Curry compared to Rondo..

Kidd in 2011 regular season: 50% True Shooting, well below average
Playoffs: 56% True Shooting, a little above average, respectable

Rondo in the 2015 regular season: 43.7% True Shooting:wow

This is also on a Mavs team that doesn't have prime Dirk or prime Chandler or even Terry for spacing, too..

I can't fathom why any non-tanking team would sign Rondo after this season, he's so fucking terrible, tbh..it's so easy to gameplan against him, it's extremely difficult for a team to overcome 1 guy that is afraid to shoot at all times..he's even afraid of getting fouled, which is fatal for a guard..

It was fine in the grind-out, defensive era of slow and ugly possession basketball, but it doesn't work today where most of the players on the floor are 2-way players..

Though if he were never born I'd have 17 and they'd have the 16.

[Findog]

Rondo is the most overrated player of this generation, and it isn't even close IMO..

Even in his prime, these were the Celtics offensive rankings since Rondo became a high-usage player:

2013: 24th
2012: 27th
2011: 18th
2010: 15th
2009: 6th(arguable)

Defensive-minded PGs with no offensive ability are liabilities in today's game, tbh..Rondo isn't nearly the same athlete as he was in his prime, too, and his offense has progressively declined..

I understand the Kidd comparison in theory, but if you look at the shooting numbers, as bad as Kidd's shooting was with the Mavs, he looks like Steph Curry compared to Rondo..

Kidd in 2011 regular season: 50% True Shooting, well below average
Playoffs: 56% True Shooting, a little above average, respectable

Rondo in the 2015 regular season: 43.7% True Shooting:wow

This is also on a Mavs team that doesn't have prime Dirk or prime Chandler or even Terry for spacing, too..

I can't fathom why any non-tanking team would sign Rondo after this season, he's so fucking terrible, tbh..it's so easy to gameplan against him, it's extremely difficult for a team to overcome 1 guy that is afraid to shoot at all times..he's even afraid of getting fouled, which is fatal for a guard..

It was fine in the grind-out, defensive era of slow and ugly possession basketball, but it doesn't work today where most of the players on the floor are 2-way players..

Kidd's career would've ended a few years earlier than it did if he hadn't learned how to shoot threes. Rondo is 29 and Kidd was in his late thirties. I agree with you, I think Rondo is what he is at this point, I don't expect him to magically transform his game, but I think there are worse options out there at PG.

The Mavs have this faith in their ability to get the most out of players. I hope he does go to the Lakers and they get outbid, but the Mavs have pursued this strategy for years of acquiring talent on the cheap and trying to rehabilitate it. Jason Terry looked like a high-volume chucker on Atlanta and with Dallas he ended up being the #2 scoring option on a title team. Kidd looked terrible his first half season and ended up being a key contributor to a championship. Last night notwithstanding, Monta Ellis in his two years here has actually looked like a more complete player. Tyson Chandler was pretty much an injury-prone serviceable big at best before he came here the first time. I don't remember Aminu doing anything of note for New Orleans. They brought Rondo in mid-season without benefit of a training camp together in the midst of one of the most brutal conferences in years.

[Malik Hairston]

I agree that the Mavs are one of the best organizations in the NBA for molding players, and the chemistry is off due to the timing of the acquisition, but ultimately, it's up to Rondo, and I'm not convinced that he can develop into a player that will thrive in today's game, physically and mentally..

He still wants to handle the ball at all times, he can't play off the ball, his shooting confidence is as low as it's ever been..physically, I'm not sure if a player with his freakish hands and arms can learn how to shoot effectively at his age, I believe it's something that has to be adjusted early on IMO(like Kawhi with the Spurs)..

[Findog]

I agree that the Mavs are one of the best organizations in the NBA for molding players, and the chemistry is off due to the timing of the acquisition, but ultimately, it's up to Rondo, and I'm not convinced that he can develop into a player that will thrive in today's game, physically and mentally..

He still wants to handle the ball at all times, he can't play off the ball, his shooting confidence is as low as it's ever been..physically, I'm not sure if a player with his freakish hands and arms can learn how to shoot effectively at his age, I believe it's something that has to be adjusted early on IMO(like Kawhi with the Spurs)..

Yeah and sometimes it doesn't work out. I'd rather they save their money and go after more of a two-way player. Dragic would've been perfect for this team. They brought in Collison and Mayo two years ago hoping they could turn them into key pieces and those moves didn't work out. I tend to see Rondo the same way you do, not quite as good as he was 3-4 years ago when those Celtics teams were still together. The game continues to evolve where spacing and shooting is at a premium. I don't think Kyle Korver is fundamentally better than he was 3-4 years ago but the impact of his shooting has changed. Rondo would've been a great player if his prime was in the 90's.

[m>s]

Though if he were never born I'd have 17 and they'd have the 16.
Not necessarily, let's rememebr the year they won it everyone was calling him the weak link and questioning if he was good enough. Those three hall of fakers plus prime Perkins would have probably won with any average point guard.

[Malik Hairston]

Not necessarily, let's rememebr the year they won it everyone was calling him the weak link and questioning if he was good enough. Those three hall of fakers plus prime Perkins would have probably won with any average point guard.

He also got benched for Eddie House:lol..

[Killakobe81]

Rondo is the most overrated player of this generation, and it isn't even close IMO..

Even in his prime, these were the Celtics offensive rankings since Rondo became a high-usage player:

2013: 24th
2012: 27th
2011: 18th
2010: 15th
2009: 6th(arguable)

Defensive-minded PGs with no offensive ability are liabilities in today's game, tbh..Rondo isn't nearly the same athlete as he was in his prime, too, and his offense has progressively declined..

I understand the Kidd comparison in theory, but if you look at the shooting numbers, as bad as Kidd's shooting was with the Mavs, he looks like Steph Curry compared to Rondo..

Kidd in 2011 regular season: 50% True Shooting, well below average
Playoffs: 56% True Shooting, a little above average, respectable

Rondo in the 2015 regular season: 43.7% True Shooting:wow

This is also on a Mavs team that doesn't have prime Dirk or prime Chandler or even Terry for spacing, too..

I can't fathom why any non-tanking team would sign Rondo after this season, he's so fucking terrible, tbh..it's so easy to gameplan against him, it's extremely difficult for a team to overcome 1 guy that is afraid to shoot at all times..he's even afraid of getting fouled, which is fatal for a guard..

It was fine in the grind-out, defensive era of slow and ugly possession basketball, but it doesn't work today where most of the players on the floor are 2-way players..

Agree with a great chunk of this but two things you overstate ...

1. No, most of the players today are not two way players but I agree the best teams have less one way players are use those guys as specialists.

2. Although it was not my preferred style, there was some beauty in the old Knicks/Heat games or even the Spurs/Pistons finals (which was the 80's compared to Spurs/Nets) where defense was the primary focus.

I agree a PG that cannot hit FT's is my #1 pet peeve in hoops. if you cannot rely on your PG (usually your best ball-handler) to protect a lead late in games, by knocking down FT's how can you trust him with the ball in the playoffs? This is not Shaq who can beast you for 30-40 mins and then someone else can handle the ball late ..he is a PG!!!!

I pray the LAkers dont sign him to a big money deal ...

[Harry Callahan]

The Dallas media is indicating that Ellis has a problem with Parson's much higher salary - Monta does not like to talk when things are not going well for him as he does not trust the media. The other issue is Rondo playing like a rental player at times and looking elsewhere after the season. Rondo does not have a ton of sweat equity in the Mavericks and is not fond of the coach - he dog cussed him recently.

BTW - there is little or no buzz up here in Dallas about tonight's game with SA. I'm a little suprised.

[m>s]

The Dallas media is indicating that Ellis has a problem with Parson's much higher salary - Monta does not like to talk when things are not going well for him as he does not trust the media. The other issue is Rondo playing like a rental player at times and looking elsewhere after the season. Rondo does not have a ton of sweat equity in the Mavericks and is not fond of the coach - he dog cussed him recently.

BTW - there is little or no buzz up here in Dallas about tonight's game with SA. I'm a little suprised.
Well by shitting the bed with sub-kobe percentages every third game or so he is really making a case for that Max money!

[Findog]

The Dallas media is indicating that Ellis has a problem with Parson's much higher salary - Monta does not like to talk when things are not going well for him as he does not trust the media. The other issue is Rondo playing like a rental player at times and looking elsewhere after the season. Rondo does not have a ton of sweat equity in the Mavericks and is not fond of the coach - he dog cussed him recently.

BTW - there is little or no buzz up here in Dallas about tonight's game with SA. I'm a little suprised.

Probably because at this point in the season the Spurs are doing their Spurs-y thing of starting to get their act together just in time for the playoffs, while it looks like other teams have figured out how to defend the Mavs: just go under the screens and let them shoot 43% from the floor.

[AlexJones]

Finally Mavs media is catching up..

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4704932/should-the-mavs-let-parsons-close-the-show

Parsons is the team's best offensive player, not Dirk and certainly not chucker.. if you run Parsons/Dirk PNR with Harris and another shooter in the corner it's unstoppable.

[Donnie Nelson]

You ungrateful little shits are hilarious. Did you enjoy that 2011 title? Then sit back and follow the freakin recipe.

-Take 1 Dirk.
-Add an overrated "jack of all trades, master of none, suckass in the clutch" small forward (Howard, Butler, now Parsons).
-Add an undersized chucker who will take a never ending amount of stupid shots (Van Exel, Jet, now Monta).
-Throw in a smart PG who has a massive fundamental flaw that's almost impossible to overcome (Nash's D, Kidd's shooting, now Rondo's shooting).
-Toss in one scrub swingman who "plays hard" and is really a below average defender, but looks like Prime Artest compared to the rest of the team (Dickbreath George, Antoine Wright, now Aminu)
-Finally sprinkle in an overpaid center whose best days are about a year after Dallas got them (Dampier, Haywood, now Tyson).

blend together and watch with disappointment until you fall assbackwards into a title. Then repeat.

It's that easy, fellas. As the Spurs go wasting their time "developing talent" and "building chemistry" we'll just go with what's worked like a charm for us.

[Jodelo]

You ungrateful little shits are hilarious. Did you enjoy that 2011 title? Then sit back and follow the freakin recipe.

-Take 1 Dirk.
-Add an overrated "jack of all trades, master of none, suckass in the clutch" small forward (Howard, Butler, now Parsons).
-Add an undersized chucker who will take a never ending amount of stupid shots (Van Exel, Jet, now Monta).
-Throw in a smart PG who has a massive fundamental flaw that's almost impossible to overcome (Nash's D, Kidd's shooting, now Rondo's shooting).
-Toss in one scrub swingman who "plays hard" and is really a below average defender, but looks like Prime Artest compared to the rest of the team (Dickbreath George, Antoine Wright, now Aminu)
-Finally sprinkle in an overpaid center whose best days are about a year after Dallas got them (Dampier, Haywood, now Tyson).

blend together and watch with disappointment until you fall assbackwards into a title. Then repeat.

It's that easy, fellas. As the Spurs go wasting their time "developing talent" and "building chemistry" we'll just go with what's worked like a charm for us.

:lol

[Phillip]

Finally Mavs media is catching up..

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4704932/should-the-mavs-let-parsons-close-the-show

Parsons is the team's best offensive player, not Dirk and certainly not chucker.. if you run Parsons/Dirk PNR with Harris and another shooter in the corner it's unstoppable.

Parsons has been heavily underrated and mis-utilized this season.

[Findog]

You ungrateful little shits are hilarious. Did you enjoy that 2011 title? Then sit back and follow the freakin recipe.

-Take 1 Dirk.
-Add an overrated "jack of all trades, master of none, suckass in the clutch" small forward (Howard, Butler, now Parsons).
-Add an undersized chucker who will take a never ending amount of stupid shots (Van Exel, Jet, now Monta).
-Throw in a smart PG who has a massive fundamental flaw that's almost impossible to overcome (Nash's D, Kidd's shooting, now Rondo's shooting).
-Toss in one scrub swingman who "plays hard" and is really a below average defender, but looks like Prime Artest compared to the rest of the team (Dickbreath George, Antoine Wright, now Aminu)
-Finally sprinkle in an overpaid center whose best days are about a year after Dallas got them (Dampier, Haywood, now Tyson).

blend together and watch with disappointment until you fall assbackwards into a title. Then repeat.

It's that easy, fellas. As the Spurs go wasting their time "developing talent" and "building chemistry" we'll just go with what's worked like a charm for us.

Solid Gold.

[Findog]

Only guys guaranteed to be back next year are Dirk, Parsons and probably Faton. (He's got a $3.5 mil player option; who would pay him more than that in free agency?) Devin is under contract and the only way he's gone is if they make a big trade and have to throw him in to make it work under the cap. I think they resign Tyson because of what he's meant to this franchise and also because centers that are actually good don't grow on trees. Rondo and Monta I'm not sure about, I think it comes down to if the price is right and they don't get outbid.

[Malik Hairston]

You ungrateful little shits are hilarious. Did you enjoy that 2011 title? Then sit back and follow the freakin recipe.

-Take 1 Dirk.
-Add an overrated "jack of all trades, master of none, suckass in the clutch" small forward (Howard, Butler, now Parsons).
-Add an undersized chucker who will take a never ending amount of stupid shots (Van Exel, Jet, now Monta).
-Throw in a smart PG who has a massive fundamental flaw that's almost impossible to overcome (Nash's D, Kidd's shooting, now Rondo's shooting).
-Toss in one scrub swingman who "plays hard" and is really a below average defender, but looks like Prime Artest compared to the rest of the team (Dickbreath George, Antoine Wright, now Aminu)
-Finally sprinkle in an overpaid center whose best days are about a year after Dallas got them (Dampier, Haywood, now Tyson).

blend together and watch with disappointment until you fall assbackwards into a title. Then repeat.

It's that easy, fellas. As the Spurs go wasting their time "developing talent" and "building chemistry" we'll just go with what's worked like a charm for us.

:lol..

[Franklin]

agree with Fin, Rondo would've been the 2nd coming of Payton if he played in the 90s. In today's game, however, you simply can't be an efficient point guard without a decent shooting hand, much less in the Mavs system. Rondo's D was what the Mavs FO wanted most, but this didn't work out either.

[m>s]

Bullshit, Payton would shit all over rondo. Payton could actually score and had better defense.

[Killakobe81]

Bullshit, Payton would shit all over rondo. Payton could actually score and had better defense.

This...
and Ellis took a wet shit on the Spurs tonight

[AlexJones]

Cuban better not hand the max to either of these clowns.. Especially not Rondo but with Monta i have a feeling his dumbass will cater to the fans. I can just imagine how bad Monta'll be in 2018 when he has no jumper and penetration ability

[Phillip]

:lol Did any Mavs fans hear how every time Tim McMahon asked Monta a question last night after the game he replied "next question"?

McMahon = faggot

[Thread]

This...
and Ellis took a wet shit on the Spurs tonight

lmao...he did give 'em a good old fashioned ass pounding.

[AlexJones]

He'll be stinking it up alongside Rondo and Enrique on friday night, then MacMahon drops another bomb on Monta and his mathematically challenged fanbois.