Union Letter: Obamacare Will ‘Destroy The Very Health and Wellbeing’ of Workers

[Capt Bringdown]

WSJ: Union Letter: Obamacare Will ‘Destroy The Very Health and Wellbeing’ of Workers -- more --> (http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter-obamacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/)

The leaders of three major U.S. unions, including the highly influential Teamsters, have sent a scathing letter to Democratic leaders in Congress, warning that unless changes are made, President Obama’s health care reform plan will “destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.”

If that’s not bad enough, the Affordable Care Act, if not modified, will “destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans,” the letter says.



"Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the American economy. We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision.

Now this vision has come back to haunt us.

Time is running out: Congress wrote this law; we voted for you. We have a problem; you need to fix it. The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios:

First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees’ work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.


Second, millions of Americans are covered by non-profit health insurance plans like the ones in which most of our members participate. These non-profit plans are governed jointly by unions and companies under the Taft-Hartley Act. Our health plans have been built over decades by working men and women. Under the ACA as interpreted by the Administration, our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens. As such, many employees will be relegated to second-class status and shut out of the help the law offers to for-profit insurance plans.

And finally, even though non-profit plans like ours won’t receive the same subsidies as for-profit plans, they’ll be taxed to pay for those subsidies. Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours unsustainable, and will undermine the health-care market of viable alternatives to the big health insurance companies."

-- more -->> (http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter-obamacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/)


What's worse than the Republicans? These vicious corporate Democrats.

[CosmicCowboy]

They just need to scrap it and start over.

[boutons_deux]

"Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly"

oh really, provide hard data

"our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens"

because YOUR employees are covered and will remain covered, while non-covered people will get coverage, the major reason Obamacare was created.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

"Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly"

oh really, provide hard data

"our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens"

because YOUR employees are covered and will remain covered, while non-covered people will get coverage, the major reason Obamacare was created.






Holy shit you defend anything won't you moonbat

[boutons_deux]

Holy shit you defend anything won't you moonbat

___ramento, you're well on your way to dethroning TB :lol as content-free anti-boutons stalker

[TeyshaBlue]

[COLOR=#000000]"Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly"

oh really, provide hard data


Idiot. All you have to do is look....outside your moonbat rss feed.

http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/healthcare/reduced_work_hours13.pdf

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lauraheller/2013/06/14/obamacare-is-turning-walmart-workers-into-temps/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/companies-cut-worker-hours-avoid-obamacare-report-article-1.1333305

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/sales/retail-sales-workers.htm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324616604578304072420873666.html

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-part-time-healthcare-20130502,0,3228617.story

[TeyshaBlue]

Enjoy the bitchslap, idiot.

[TeyshaBlue]

:cry Stop bitch slapping me!:cry

[TeyshaBlue]

You think about me too much, boutons. Get a hobby.

[TeyshaBlue]

They just need to scrap it and start over.

Agreed. No half-measures. Hard core single payor.


Never happen. Nobody has the stones in Washington to turn down the lobby cash.

[TeyshaBlue]

Idiot. All you have to do is look....outside your moonbat rss feed.

http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/healthcare/reduced_work_hours13.pdf

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lauraheller/2013/06/14/obamacare-is-turning-walmart-workers-into-temps/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/companies-cut-worker-hours-avoid-obamacare-report-article-1.1333305

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/sales/retail-sales-workers.htm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324616604578304072420873666.html

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-part-time-healthcare-20130502,0,3228617.story

motherfuckin' crickets.

[boutons_deux]

Idiot. All you have to do is look....outside your moonbat rss feed.

http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/healthcare/reduced_work_hours13.pdf

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lauraheller/2013/06/14/obamacare-is-turning-walmart-workers-into-temps/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/companies-cut-worker-hours-avoid-obamacare-report-article-1.1333305

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/sales/retail-sales-workers.htm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324616604578304072420873666.html

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-part-time-healthcare-20130502,0,3228617.story

Still no numbers of workers and/or companies out of the total number of companies ACTUALLY cutting workers hours,not TALKING about cutting workers hours, since some of the early talkers have said after all they won't be screwing workers.

And many of the hourly workers at the low end of the payscale DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE NOW so they've got nothing to lose.

GFY, bitch.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol goal post move. Just take your bitch slapping like the little bitch you are, moron.

[symple19]

:lol

[boutons_deux]

lol goal post move. Just take your bitch slapping like the little bitch you are, moron.

No goal post move, JUST GIVE US THE ACTUAL NUMBERs OF EMPLOYEES AND/OR COMPANIES, bitch

[TeyshaBlue]

The count is not complete, simpleton. It's on going.


Here's one example. Get a grown up to read it to you. Then start counting. Idiot. There's no checkbox for cutting jobs below full-time that an employer has to populate. Instead, there are multiple studies (the links you didn't bother to read) that tell us the impact will be substantial. Go read them if you can. If not, I'll post them with a fake (like there's any other kind) thinkprogress(:lol) byline so you can digest them.

http://jobcreatorsnetwork.com/government-health-care-law-costs-single-mom-a-full-time-job/

Notice how the article mentions a strategy between fast food restaurants of sharing workers. That's more than one worker, dolt.

The US shed itself of 162,000 full time jobs last month alone. I'm sure all of those had nothing whatsoever to do with the ACA regulations looming over them.
http://www.examiner.com/article/162-000-full-time-jobs-lost-june


Also, the OP, you know the letter from the large unions warning Congress of job losses seems to further buttress the case you can't acknowledge.



lol simpleton.

[TeyshaBlue]

bitchslap_deux.

[TeyshaBlue]

Will Obamacare Hurt Jobs? It's Already Happening, Poll Finds

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100825782
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[angrydude]

lol unions. Forgot to read the fine print.

[TeyshaBlue]

Will Obamacare Hurt Jobs? It's Already Happening, Poll Finds

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100825782
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[KingsFanWithoutName]

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Do you just have a folder full of bitchslap pictures ready for boutons or do you search for them daily? :lol

[Capt Bringdown]

Physicians for a National Health Program: Problems with Obamacare Clusterfuck show need for single-payer system -->> (http://www.pnhp.org/news/2013/july/problems-with-affordable-care-act-show-need-for-single-payer-system)

As promises of the Affordable Care Act continue to wither, the delay of the employer mandate is cause for more disappointment. Initially there was promise of average savings of $2,500 per family annually and visions of a public option. Universal coverage was assured and the oft-stated “if you like your employer based insurance, you can keep it” was evidence that we weren’t going socialist. These were a few of the goodies we expected under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

What happened? Gone are the $2,500 savings and the public option. Cost control wasn’t part of the ACA. The public option bothered insurance companies, so it was out. Of 60 million uninsured, the ACA will leave at least 30 million still without coverage, and the employer mandate delay will now surely increase the implementation burden on the exchanges, which might not be ready to go by Oct. 1.

Not to worry. Employers that have been unable to come up with a plan over the past four years are mainly employers of lower wage and temporary workers. These workers might receive subsidized plans on the exchanges. According to the Post-Dispatch ("Delay in health care law raises questions," July 4), some employers expect to save millions during this one-year delay, millions to be picked up by the taxpayers. Most of the 30 million newly insured will be exchange or Medicaid clients, also to be funded in full or subsidized by the federal government. While I never begrudge the use of federal funds for health care, I do begrudge this elaborate plan giving insurance companies a third of those federal funds to shuffle paper and deny care, while earning huge profits for themselves.

If medical care is to be funded by tax dollars, let’s skip the hogwash and go directly to a single-payer system, which saves billions and provides equitable care for all.

A compendium of Obamacare Clusterfucks -- more -->> (http://www.correntewire.com/obamacare_clusterfuck)

[TeyshaBlue]

:toast
If medical care is to be funded by tax dollars, let’s skip the hogwash and go directly to a single-payer system, which saves billions and provides equitable care for all.

[baseline bum]

If medical care is to be funded by tax dollars, let’s skip the hogwash and go directly to a single-payer system, which saves billions and provides equitable care for all.


The middle man is more American than apple pie or bank bailouts tbh.

[clambake]

by the way, the "teamsters" and management have been giving employees less than 40 hrs. for at least 35 years.

[mercos]

Obamacare is better than what we had, but its still not good enough. Single payer FTW.

[ChumpDumper]

I've never seen a healthy teamster tbh.

[Rogue]

the medical resources in this society is a constant, and if you want to make it available to more people, it has to be done at the expense of quality. You can't conjure more hospitals and doctors out of nothing. With Obamacare getting its way, you'll have to spend quite some time waiting in the line for your "affordable" medical service and when it finally comes your turn, you'll have already died, and the waiting line will turn out to be a queue of death.

[johnsmith]

Boutons did really well here! Lol

[mercos]

the medical resources in this society is a constant, and if you want to make it available to more people, it has to be done at the expense of quality. You can't conjure more hospitals and doctors out of nothing. With Obamacare getting its way, you'll have to spend quite some time waiting in the line for your "affordable" medical service and when it finally comes your turn, you'll have already died, and the waiting line will turn out to be a queue of death.

Because we all know people are dropping like flies waiting for health care in Canada and all of Western Europe...

[boutons_deux]

"the medical resources in this society is a constant"

it's not a natural constant, it's a wealth-extractive strategy.

the medical education industry restricts the number of medical students to hold supply down, doctor incomes up.

One part of Obamacare is to get medical schools to produce more (primary care) doctors, esp for underserved areas.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol boutons

[101A]

I've never seen a healthy teamster tbh.

Now THAT'S funny.

[boutons_deux]

I've never seen a healthy teamster tbh.

most bubbas make Larry The Cable Guy look lean and mean :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

most bubbas make Larry The Cable Guy look lean and mean :lol

:lol

[angrydude]

Because we all know people are dropping like flies waiting for health care in Canada and all of Western Europe...

Canadians come to the US for major operations.

Britain's healthcare system is extremely fucked up.

TBH no system is perfect. The US system is just the result of endless pandering to insurance lobbyists.

[ElNono]

Canadians come to the US for major operations.

This is no different than affluent americans going to europe or some other countries to get certain treatments. It happens, but it's hardly the norm.

Per Gallup, Canadians are largely more satisfied with their system, than Americans are satisfied with the US system:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/8056/healthcare-system-ratings-us-great-britain-canada.aspx


Britain's healthcare system is extremely fucked up.

Yet, the sole mention of any reform on the NHS gets the brits up in arms. It might be fucked up in certain areas, but don't you dare touching it.


TBH no system is perfect. The US system is just the result of endless pandering to insurance lobbyists.

Agreed. I'm not a fan of ACA because it doesn't address the main problem: cost. The only aspect I like of it is that it rattled the nest. Hopefully this is a step that takes us to single-payor. I was definitely not a fan either of the system the ACA is replacing.

[mercos]

Canadians come to the US for major operations.

Britain's healthcare system is extremely fucked up.

TBH no system is perfect. The US system is just the result of endless pandering to insurance lobbyists.

Some Canadians do, but not most. Not totally sure, but I'm willing to bet Britain's health care system ranks ahead of ours. I doubt you'll find many people in Canada or the UK who would want to switch to our system. Single payer is a difficult system to maintain. If our shitty system was better you'd see Western countries all dumping their universal health care for it.