For all the "what if Zimmerman was black, Trayvon was white" people, it happened

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Well what do we have here. And guess what, same verdict, not guilty. Hmmmm.....wonder why this got no media attention. A justified shoot is a justified shoot, regardless of race.


http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/

Not guilty: The verdict in the manslaughter trial of Roderick Scott. After more than 19 hours of deliberations over two days, a jury acquitted the Greece man in the shooting death of Christopher Cervini, 17, last April.
"I just want to say thank you to the people who believed in me, who stood by me,” Scott said following the verdict. “I still have my regrets for the Cervini family; it's still an unfortunate situation for them. I am happy that at least this chapter is over."

As deliberations dragged on over two days and the jury asked for testimony to be read back, Scott admits he didn't know how it would all turn out.

"I was nervous of course,” he said. “You never know what direction this whole thing is going to turn, so I have no idea. But it worked out and I feel that justice (was) served today."

Cervini's family members say justice wasn't served. They say Christopher was murdered in cold blood, that he'd never been in trouble and Scott acted as judge, jury and executioner.

"The message is that we can all go out and get guns and feel anybody that we feel is threatening us and lie about the fact,” said Jim Cervini, Christopher’s father. “My son never threatened anybody. He was a gentle child, his nature was gentle, he was a good person and he was never, ever arrested for anything, and has never been in trouble. He was 16 years and four months old, and he was slaughtered."

Scott says he acted in self defense when he confronted Cervini and two others saying they were stealing from neighbors cars. He told them he had a gun and ordered them to freeze and wait for police.

Scott says he shot Cervini twice when the victim charged toward him yelling he was going to get Scott.

"How can this happen to a beautiful, sweet child like that?” asked Cervini’s aunt Carol Cervini. “All he wanted to do was go home. And then for them to say, he was saying, 'Please don't kill me. I'm just a kid,' and he just kept on shooting him."

Scott says the last seven months have been difficult for him and his family. If he could go back to the events in the early morning hours of April 4, there are things he says he would do differently.

"If it meant a person not losing their life, absolutely,” he said. “Would I still have tried to stop what was going on? That I would have done. But if I knew ahead of time that I could do something to help somebody from losing their life, I don't want anyone to lose their life."

Scott says the first thing he was going to do was go home and get a good night sleep. When asked if he'll continue living in his current home, which is just one street away from the Cervini's, he said “for the time being.”

[Oh, Gee!!]

It's different insofar as Scott seems to show remorse and some class under the circumstances.

[Trill Clinton]

It's different insofar as Scott seems to show remorse and some class under the circumstances.


this. i see genuine remorse, unlike the coward who said he wouldn't change a thing and it was "gods will" sickening. happy for Mr. Scott and deepest sympathy for the Cervini family. this is a old story, though. why so late?

[coyotes_geek]

Sorry, we're not done with all the Zimmerman/Trayvon what ifs yet.

What if Zimmerman shot Trayvon because Trayvon's mother wanted to get a retroactive abortion? Would Red Team want to give GZ the needle? Would Blue Team stand up for GZ for just carrying out a pro-choice decision?

[KingsFanWithoutName]

:lol

Where was the white outrage? Where was the Nationwide media coverage?

[rjv]

the white outrage is about everyone else's outrage

[AntiChrist]

We Are All Christopher

http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2009/95/35575021_123900545694.jpg


Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go block some traffic.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

We Are All Christopher

http://image1.findagrave.com/photos/2009/95/35575021_123900545694.jpg


Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go block some traffic.

He was such an angel.

[Trill Clinton]

the white outrage is about everyone else's outrage

lol

[Trill Clinton]

was christopher demonized in the media? *goes back to read all the particulars of case since nobody cares but me*

[Creepn]

But the guy who shot him is Greek? Greek is the new black?

[AntiChrist]

Damn, there's even a "hoodie" involved.

"At that time, they heard 'Freeze! Don't move! Don't go anywhere.' It was Roderick Scott, wearing a white hoodie and holding a gun."

http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/489772/roderick-scott-s-girlfriend-testifies-in-manslaughter-case/

[AntiChrist]

But the guy who shot him is Greek? Greek is the new black?


:lmao

http://images.rnews.com/media/2009/12/8/images/ENLARGE_01rodderickscott1208.jpg

[Creepn]

Still looks Greek to me.

[Trill Clinton]

But the guy who shot him is Greek? Greek is the new black?


lol naw greece is the town i believe. *goes back to research the case and look for smear campaign and posts of blacks calling him ghetto*

[AntiChrist]

was christopher demonized in the media? *goes back to read all the particulars of case since nobody cares but me*


He was drinking and smoking. Evidently, they were casing cars for smokes.

[DisAsTerBot]

lol greek

[Creepn]

Just skimming through it, I don't know about this verdict. The kid wanted to charge him so he shot him twice? That's pretty fucked up tbh.

[Creepn]

There should've been white outrage no doubt if that was the case.

[Trill Clinton]

geez, almost 4 years just to find a case similar? there were at least 3 white vigilante shootings since tray died. can someone find a more recent story?*continues to research this case*

[KingsFanWithoutName]

There should've been white outrage no doubt if that was the case.

Why? It was a good shoot.

[AntiChrist]

geez, almost 4 years just to find a case similar? there were at least 3 white vigilante shootings since tray died. can someone find a more recent story?

I don't go looking for shit like this, tbh. People are MUCH more likely to be killed by people of their own race.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

there were at least 3 white vigilante shootings since tray died.

Links please. I didn't here of them and am wondering why they weren't more publicized.

[Trill Clinton]

I don't go looking for shit like this, tbh. People are MUCH more likely to be killed by people of their own race.


yup, i agree. are you going to scott's on the 3rd?

[AntiChrist]

yup, i agree. are you going to scott's on the 3rd?


Too many white people, tbh

[Trill Clinton]

Links please. I didn't here of them and am wondering why they weren't more publicized.

i posted a link yesterday that stated every 28 hours a black male is shot by police or vigilantes. i don't know why the specific cases weren't publicized.


Too many white people, tbh


lol

[Creepn]

CC going? Yall should play a drinking game that whenever CC brings up something about that desert he calls a ranch, yall gotta take a shot.

[CosmicCowboy]

CC going? Yall should play a drinking game that whenever CC brings up something about that desert he calls a ranch, yall gotta take a shot.

I'll take one with you if I'm in town.

It's a hard life out there in the desert but someones got to do it...

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/200/hgva.jpg

[Trill Clinton]

i hope he comes so he can see not all blacks are "nigras, ghetto, thugs, stupid, fat, etc"

[KingsFanWithoutName]

i posted a link yesterday that stated every 28 hours a black male is shot by police or vigilantes. i don't know why the specific cases weren't publicized.



There is quite a big difference between police shooting a black male, and a vigilante shooting a black male. Where are the 3 white vigilante shootings since Trayvon that you are referring to?

[CosmicCowboy]

i hope he comes so he can see not all blacks are "nigras, ghetto, thugs, stupid, fat, etc"

:lmao

I know that. But if you are an upstanding black you gotta quit defending the bad n!ggers just like I don't defend the redneck white trash.

[Trill Clinton]

There is quite a big difference between police shooting a black male, and a vigilante shooting a black male. Where are the 3 white vigilante shootings since Trayvon that you are referring to?

its gonna take a while for me to search the entire us for those articles so you have to bear with me. if you are really concerned, feel free to help me do a search.

[Trill Clinton]

:lmao

I know that. But if you are an upstanding black you gotta quit defending the bad n!ggers just like I don't defend the redneck white trash.

what bad n!ggers am i defending? trayvon?

[CosmicCowboy]

what bad n!ggers am i defending? trayvon?

Trayvon was pretty much just young and stupid. He hadn't had time to really go bad yet but it looked like he was trying to go down the path with the burglary, etc. BTW, have you read about the scandal at Trayvon's school district? To make their school crime statistics look better they turned the jewelry they took off Trayvon into the local police as "found" jewelry, not taken off a student. After all the publicity about the jewelry the local PD matched the jewelry to a burglary two blocks from Trayvons high school from the exact same time period. Could have solved the crime right then if the school district hadn''t been fudging their numbers and not cooperating with local PD. Turns out it was ordered from up top at the school district and they have already fired a bunch of them...it's a big scandal.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

its gonna take a while for me to search the entire us for those articles so you have to bear with me. if you are really concerned, feel free to help me do a search.

I'm not concerned, just curious.

[Trill Clinton]

Trayvon was pretty much just young and stupid. He hadn't had time to really go bad yet but it looked like he was trying to go down the path with the burglary, etc. BTW, have you read about the scandal at Trayvon's school district? To make their school crime statistics look better they turned the jewelry they took off Trayvon into the local police as "found" jewelry, not taken off a student. After all the publicity about the jewelry the local PD matched the jewelry to a burglary two blocks from Trayvons high school from the exact same time period. Could have solved the crime right then if the school district hadn''t been fudging their numbers and not cooperating with local PD. Turns out it was ordered from up top at the school district and they have already fired a bunch of them...it's a big scandal.


was that story written by a credible writer or some righ wing nut journalist? according to miami police department, trayvon wasn't linked to any local jewelry thefts because it didn't match any of the jewelry that was stolen, so.....

you're ready to write off a 17 year old kid as a "bad n!gger" because of that? geez, you have no sympathy for kids or women. first your lack of empathy for a 17 year old kid and then your lack of empathy of female victims of molestation. you gotta be trolling.

[CosmicCowboy]

was that story written by a credible writer or some righ wing nut journalist? according to miami police department, trayvon wasn't linked to any local jewelry thefts because it didn't match any of the jewelry that was stolen, so.....

you're ready to write off a 17 year old kid as a "bad n!gger" because of that? geez, you have no sympathy for kids or women. first your lack of empathy for a 17 year old kid and then your lack of empathy of female victims of molestation. you gotta be trolling.

Is the Miami Herald credible? 3/26/2012, Article by Francis Robles

Jewelry stolen Miami-Dade Police Report (PD111021-422483) October 21st 2011

Check it out Sherlock.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT CHRISTOPHER DAMN IT!!!!! PLEASE TAKE ALL TRAYVON TALK TO THE APPROPRIATE THREAD AND LET US WHITES BE OUTRAGED!!!




NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!
NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!
NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!

[Trill Clinton]

Is the Miami Herald credible? 3/26/2012, Article by Francis Robles

link please? all the links i've found say the jewelry didn't match here are mine:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2012/03/27/police_investigated_trayvon_martin_over_jewelry/


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-jewelry-school-suspension_n_1384652.html
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-jewelry-school-suspension_n_1384652.html)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/03/27/miami-dade-police-department-trayvon-martin-not-tied-to-jewelry-theft/

[CosmicCowboy]

link please? all the links i've found say the jewelry didn't match here are mine:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2012/03/27/police_investigated_trayvon_martin_over_jewelry/


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-jewelry-school-suspension_n_1384652.html
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-jewelry-school-suspension_n_1384652.html)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/03/27/miami-dade-police-department-trayvon-martin-not-tied-to-jewelry-theft/

Interesting.

Some light reading for you to get started:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/135564937/Sergeant-William-Tagle-Internal-Affairs-Investigative-Report

There is a lot more. Sometimes you just can't trust what you read in the "news"papers.

Now I gotta make a couple stops and head out into that nasty dry desert.

[Trill Clinton]

Is the Miami Herald credible? 3/26/2012, Article by Francis Robles

Jewelry stolen Miami-Dade Police Report (PD111021-422483) October 21st 2011

Check it out Sherlock.


thanks, watson. after further review i have come to the conclusion that you are a liar. link provided since my assistant was lazy and to prove, once again, he was wrong.:p:

"No evidence ever surfaced that the jewelry was stolen."
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy

[CosmicCowboy]

3/2012

16 months ago

The jewelry was sitting in the lost and found

nice try

but then, you do like to skim and not go deep into the facts to determine what really happened.

[Trill Clinton]

really? a 106 page report on a 17year old kid possessing women's jewelry? you want me to read all that?
































































http://i42.tinypic.com/312xm2t.gif

[TeyshaBlue]

really? a 106 page report on a 17year old kid possessing women's jewelry? you want me to read all that?


http://i42.tinypic.com/312xm2t.gif

lol...Sweet Brown is making bank on that clip. She was on a local radio station yesterday and I got to listen to the interview. She's got her own bar-b-que sauce, a clothing line, a spot in Tyler Perry's next movie and some kind of reality show coming out. :tu

[Th'Pusher]

lol...Sweet Brown is making bank on that clip. She was on a local radio station yesterday and I got to listen to the interview. She's got her own bar-b-que sauce, a clothing line, a spot in Tyler Perry's next movie and some kind of reality show coming out. :tu
KTCK?

[Th'Pusher]

Well what do we have here. And guess what, same verdict, not guilty. Hmmmm.....wonder why this got no media attention. A justified shoot is a justified shoot, regardless of race.


http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/

Not guilty: The verdict in the manslaughter trial of Roderick Scott. After more than 19 hours of deliberations over two days, a jury acquitted the Greece man in the shooting death of Christopher Cervini, 17, last April.
"I just want to say thank you to the people who believed in me, who stood by me,” Scott said following the verdict. “I still have my regrets for the Cervini family; it's still an unfortunate situation for them. I am happy that at least this chapter is over."

As deliberations dragged on over two days and the jury asked for testimony to be read back, Scott admits he didn't know how it would all turn out.

"I was nervous of course,” he said. “You never know what direction this whole thing is going to turn, so I have no idea. But it worked out and I feel that justice (was) served today."

Cervini's family members say justice wasn't served. They say Christopher was murdered in cold blood, that he'd never been in trouble and Scott acted as judge, jury and executioner.

"The message is that we can all go out and get guns and feel anybody that we feel is threatening us and lie about the fact,” said Jim Cervini, Christopher’s father. “My son never threatened anybody. He was a gentle child, his nature was gentle, he was a good person and he was never, ever arrested for anything, and has never been in trouble. He was 16 years and four months old, and he was slaughtered."

Scott says he acted in self defense when he confronted Cervini and two others saying they were stealing from neighbors cars. He told them he had a gun and ordered them to freeze and wait for police.

Scott says he shot Cervini twice when the victim charged toward him yelling he was going to get Scott.

"How can this happen to a beautiful, sweet child like that?” asked Cervini’s aunt Carol Cervini. “All he wanted to do was go home. And then for them to say, he was saying, 'Please don't kill me. I'm just a kid,' and he just kept on shooting him."

Scott says the last seven months have been difficult for him and his family. If he could go back to the events in the early morning hours of April 4, there are things he says he would do differently.

"If it meant a person not losing their life, absolutely,” he said. “Would I still have tried to stop what was going on? That I would have done. But if I knew ahead of time that I could do something to help somebody from losing their life, I don't want anyone to lose their life."

Scott says the first thing he was going to do was go home and get a good night sleep. When asked if he'll continue living in his current home, which is just one street away from the Cervini's, he said “for the time being.”

Was Scott arrested and charged directly after the incident? You realize the reason the zimmerman was initially protetested was a result of Zimmerman not being charged with a crime until the republican governor had it investigated, right?

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Was Scott arrested and charged directly after the incident? You realize the reason the zimmerman was initially protetested was a result of Zimmerman not being charged with a crime until the republican governor had it investigated, right?

"Unlike Florida, New York does not have a "stand your ground" law. New York law allows a person to use deadly force to defend his residence from home invasion only as a last resort. It does not allow the use of deadly force to prevent a property crime, and requires retreat if possible. Thus, while Zimmerman was not arrested under Florida law, Scott was tried for manslaughter.

New York law does allow a person to use deadly force anywhere, including off his own property, if he feels that his life is in imminent danger and retreat is not possible. Despite the fact that he left his own property, confronted, and shot dead an unarmed white person thought to be committing a petty property crime, Scott was acquitted by a majority-white jury after claiming that the Cervini charged at him, putting him in imminent fear of his life."





Next!

[Th'Pusher]

"Unlike Florida, New York does not have a "stand your ground" law. New York law allows a person to use deadly force to defend his residence from home invasion only as a last resort. It does not allow the use of deadly force to prevent a property crime, and requires retreat if possible. Thus, while Zimmerman was not arrested under Florida law, Scott was tried for manslaughter.

New York law does allow a person to use deadly force anywhere, including off his own property, if he feels that his life is in imminent danger and retreat is not possible. Despite the fact that he left his own property, confronted, and shot dead an unarmed white person thought to be committing a petty property crime, Scott was acquitted by a majority-white jury after claiming that the Cervini charged at him, putting him in imminent fear of his life."





Next!
So the two cases are nothing alike. Got it.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

So the two cases are nothing alike. Got it.

If you can't see the similarities I can't help you. Next time you question someone on something you know nothing about i suggest doing a little research of your own so it doesn't blow up in your face.

[Th'Pusher]

If you can't see the similarities I can't help you. Next time you question someone on something you know nothing about i suggest doing a little research of your own so it doesn't blow up in your face.

:lol Blow up in my face :lol

why the new handle Pistol Pete?

[angrydude]

Zimmerman didn't use a stand your ground defense. He used a regular old self defense defense.

[angrydude]

and I think texas is the only state where you can claim self defense in defense of property.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Was Scott arrested and charged directly after the incident?

Are you claiming you knew why Scott was and Zimmerman wasn't?

[Th'Pusher]

Are you claiming you knew why Scott was and Zimmerman wasn't?

But Zimmerman was eventually charged with a crime which makes your point moot.

why the new handle Pistol Pete? :lol

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Black guy shoots white kid in self defense, not guilty.
Hispanic guy shoots black kid in self defense, not guilty.

What is so hard to grasp, besides you not knowing the difference between NY and FL laws.

New handle? I'm pretty OG, been here since '06.

[Th'Pusher]

New handle? I'm pretty OG, been here since '06.

Right. Where have you been for the last 7 years?

:lol

Pistol Pete

:lol

[Th'Pusher]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQmzBPqJSgzj1w0KhsR5JFz3CKEVwB4D GWlTuoHzfuoK_Ox0rlt

[CosmicCowboy]

Charles Barkley gets it...


CHARLES BARKLEY: Well, I agreed with the verdict. I feel sorry that young kid got killed. But they didn't have enough evidence to charge him. Something clearly went wrong that night. Clearly something went wrong. I feel bad for anybody who loses a kid, but if you looked at the case and you don't make it -- there was some racial profiling, no question about it. But something happened that changed the dynamic of that night, and I know -- that's probably not a popular opinion among most people but just looking at the evidence I agreed with the verdict.

I just feel bad because I don't like when race gets out in the media because I don't think the media has a pure heart, as I call it. There are very few people have a pure heart when it comes to race. Racism is wrong in any, shape, form -- a lot of black people are racist too. I think sometimes when people talk about racism, they say only white people are racist. There are a lot of black people who are racist. I don't like when it gets out there in the media because I don't think the media has clean hands.

MARIA BARTIROMO, CNBC: I'm glad you made that point.

BARKLEY: Obviously I feel sorry that young kid got killed but just judging by the evidence, I don't think that guy should have went to jail the rest of his life. Something happened bad that night, obviously.

BARTIROMO: I like what the juror said, they both should have walked away. And if there is a shadow of a doubt, there is a shadow of a doubt.

BARKLEY: And let me tell you, Mr. Zimmerman was wrong to pursue -- he was racial profiling. I think Trayvon Martin, God rest his soul, I think he did flip the switch and started beating the hell out of Mr. Zimmerman. But it was just a bad situation. And like I said, the main thing I feel bad for, it gives every black and white person who is racist a platform to vent their ignorance.

That's the thing that bothers me the most because I watched this trial closely and I watch all these people are television talking about it. A lot of people have a hidden agenda. You know, they want their racist views, whether they are white or black --

BARTIROMO: The bias comes out.

BARKLEY: The bias, it definitely comes out. It was a bad situation, we all lost. And I feel bad for his parents. You don't ever want to see anybody lose a kid. (CNBC Closing Bell, July 18, 2013)

[boutons_deux]

"Something clearly went wrong that night. "

yep, shitbag, chickenshit vigilante Z profiled a young black male in a hoodie, got out of his vehicle, pursued the suspect, armed and ready to kill, and killed when the suspect stood his ground.

[UnWantedTheory]

"Something clearly went wrong that night. "

yep, shitbag, chickenshit vigilante Z profiled a young black male in a hoodie, got out of his vehicle, pursued the suspect, armed and ready to kill, and killed when the suspect stood his ground.




Sounds about right

[Jacob1983]

Didn't the evidence show that Travyon profiled Zimmerman as a gay rapist? Is profiling someone as a gay rapist okay?

[Nbadan]

But the bottom line still is: Zimmerman was the aggressor. Zimmerman initiated contact with Martin, despite being told not to by the 911 operator.

Martin was innocent, and wasn't doing anything wrong before or during the contact with Zimmerman.

When you realize you're being followed, you have good reason to fear for your safety. So, when Martin realized Zimmerman was following him, any actions he took from that point on were in self defense. The court ignored this fact. Why were Zimmerman's actions in self defense but not Martin's? After all, Martin had done NOTHING to aggravate the situation with Zimmerman, it was Zimmerman who started it all.

Zimmerman didn't fear for his life, because if he had he would have kept a safe distance and allowed the police to handle the situation. Martin was the one who reacted to a perceived danger first, which the jury should have realized made his actions in self defense.

[AntiChrist]

Why were Zimmerman's actions in self defense but not Martin's?


Defense against what? Being asked questions?

[spurraider21]

there were at least 3 white vigilante shootings since tray died.


Links please. I didn't here of them and am wondering why they weren't more publicized.


i posted a link yesterday that stated every 28 hours a black male is shot by police or vigilantes. i don't know why the specific cases weren't publicized


Where are the 3 white vigilante shootings since Trayvon that you are referring to?


its gonna take a while for me to search the entire us for those articles so you have to bear with me. if you are really concerned, feel free to help me do a search.

so you make a claim that 3 vigilante murders have occurred with black victims since Martin's death, have absolutely nothing to back that up, and then ask somebody else to do the research for you? yeah, no.




But the bottom line still is: Zimmerman was the aggressor. Zimmerman initiated contact with Martin

:lol people making accusations with NOTHING to back it up per par

[Trill Clinton]

so you make a claim that 3 vigilante murders have occurred with black victims since Martin's death, have absolutely nothing to back that up, and then ask somebody else to do the research for you? yeah, no.





:lol people making accusations with NOTHING to back it up per par

i stand by my claim and even made a thread on one child being killed by a vigilante a few weeks ago. if ya'll cared and were sincerely interested on why these crimes were happening, i'd be more than happy to post the links. but all i've seen in these threads since the ruling is jubilation, intellectual dishonesty and guilt from the pro zimmerman crowd.

i got the information and i'm done arguing about some overweight, kid killing, coward, pedo. if ya'll want to talk solutions, holla at me.

[spurraider21]

odd, i wasn't arguing about zimmerman. but ok