Splitter vs. Mullins

[HemisfairArena]

We sign Splitter for 9 mil/yr for averaging 10 and 6 this year...and my fellow Spurs fan say that is a good deal. Clippers just signed Mullins for 2 mil and he averages 10 and 6 this year and is 5 years younger. Is this a joke?

[ColinB]

Mullens is a 7 footer who is barely hitting 40% for his career. :lol

[ColinB]

Basically, he sucks.

[HemisfairArena]

Mullens is a 7 footer who is barely hitting 40% for his career. :lol

He would have cost 8 mil/yr less. Big difference.

[baseline bum]

LOL Mullins peaked in high school.

[yavozerb]

We sign Splitter for 9 mil/yr for averaging 10 and 6 this year...and my fellow Spurs fan say that is a good deal. Clippers just signed Mullins for 2 mil and he averages 10 and 6 this year and is 5 years younger. Is this a joke?

This thread is the real joke...Dumb

[HemisfairArena]

Basically, he sucks.


Then we can say the same for Splitter. Mullins is 24...Splitter is 29...and Mullins is putting up better numbers.

[HemisfairArena]

This thread is the real joke...Dumb


Dont be a homer. Tell me why its a dumb thread...dont just say its because we are Spurs fans and accept everything the front office does.

[TheGreatYacht]

Dont be a homer. Tell me why its a dumb thread...dont just say its because we are Spurs fans and accept everything the front office does.:lmao Nice one. http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/1292223254212-dumpfm-mario-Obamaclap.gif (http://www.spurstalk.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=clapping+gif&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=eTD2r8TCypOAzM&tbnid=T1NqBfDTuh5umM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funnyordie.com%2Flists%2F3086 8d6681%2Fgif-guide-clapping&ei=bTTrUekniPjyBO2RgKAO&bvm=bv.49478099,d.eWU&psig=AFQjCNHUl1C75mMNae8xho-IIhXQrtyPSQ&ust=1374455227269858)

[ColinB]

Are you drunk?

[td4mvp2k]

This thread is the real joke...Dumb

[Texas_Ranger]

Lol mullens is a shooting guard in a centers body. And he played for charlotte.

[yavozerb]

Dont be a homer. Tell me why its a dumb thread...dont just say its because we are Spurs fans and accept everything the front office does.

Since you like numbers so much lets start with 11 shots a game to average 10 ppg this least season. You obviously would not have started this thread if you had seen this guy play cause his defense is even worse than his fg%. Dude, just distance yourself from this thread as fast as possible cause it is really dumb. no seriously....

[Vash StampedE]

This thread surely is dumb. He played for Charlotte and for that reason alone, you should have been expecting greater results from him.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Dont be a homer. Tell me why its a dumb thread...dont just say its because we are Spurs fans and accept everything the front office does.

As another poster stated, Mullens is a career 40% shooter and Splitter is over 57%, so before looking at points (which Mullens takes considerably more shots) and rebounds (which Mullens may be getting an inflated number of offensive boards by rebounding his own misses) - you have to also consider their defense. Splitter is a great P/R defender and Mullens is an overall mediocre-poor defender.

[spurraider21]

ok standard box score junkie. Byron Mullens plays virtually no defense and is a jump shooting big that isn't very good at jumpshooting. It's like if Matt Bonner had Udoka's shooting ability, with some more athleticism

[CitizenDwayne]

:lol Blowjob Mullens

This guy's the Nick Young of bigs. Jump shooter who just tosses up brick after brick.

[anakha]

Why am I not surprised Mr. "I don't know what the fuck a majority owner is" started this thread?

[purist]

There is a reason the clips got him cheap- no one else wanted him. You can't make personnel decisions purely on a stat line either. I'll say it again - thank God spur fan does not run the front office.

[playblair]

haters................... mullens finishing around the rim >>>>>> splitter euro hook.......................

LXuDra2tG7w

[HemisfairArena]

haters................... mullens finishing around the rim >>>>>> splitter euro hook.......................

LXuDra2tG7w


Now you've done it. I am willing to take on my Spurs fan homers...but now you have proof that they dont know what they are talking about. Splitter would run and cry in this situation...not take control. Splitter folded like a cheap lawn chair in the Finals...how great we got him for 9 mil/yr.

[HemisfairArena]

Why am I not surprised Mr. "I don't know what the fuck a majority owner is" started this thread?

Hey..its Mr. my head is up the Spurs front office ass and I dont care about facts. Nice to see ya.

[HemisfairArena]

There is a reason the clips got him cheap- no one else wanted him. You can't make personnel decisions purely on a stat line either. I'll say it again - thank God spur fan does not run the front office.


No one would have ever paid Ginobili 7 mil/yr....but we did. Nice. We rock.

[TheGreatYacht]

No one would have ever paid Ginobili 7 mil/yr....but we did. Nice. We rock.You have some unique takes but I love your comebacks.

[Kindergarten Cop]

No one would have ever paid Ginobili 7 mil/yr....but we did. Nice. We rock.


You have some unique takes but I love your comebacks.

Am I the only one here convinced that these two are one and the same?

[benefactor]

Neither are serious fans. Both are trolls. This should have been painfully obvious long ago. Likely a downstairs resident created them.

[Kawhi fan]

Mullins doesn't even know how to spell 'pick and roll' let alone play it out!

[HemisfairArena]

Neither are serious fans. Both are trolls. This should have been painfully obvious long ago. Likely a downstairs resident created them.


Hey, man. I respect everyones opinions. I really do. You can bash me but I just have one question. I have joined this site...I dont know....over a year ago at least and have only 500 posts. IS there really posters with over 20,000 thousand posts and want to call out other posters for being trolls or lack of a productive life? Seriously? 20,000 posts...I would have to be a......look.....we all come on here but life has so much more to offer. I come on here...posts a few times...and have to leave because life calls. Lead your life anyway you want but damn...............20,000 posts.........

[benefactor]

Hey, man. I respect everyones opinions. I really do. You can bash me but I just have one question. I have joined this site...I dont know....over a year ago at least and have only 500 posts. IS there really posters with over 20,000 thousand posts and want to call out other posters for being trolls or lack of a productive life? Seriously? 20,000 posts...I would have to be a......look.....we all come on here but life has so much more to offer. I come on here...posts a few times...and have to leave because life calls. Lead your life anyway you want but damn...............20,000 posts.........
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[HemisfairArena]

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[anakha]

Hey..its Mr. my head is up the Spurs front office ass and I dont care about facts. Nice to see ya.

What facts? That Holt's the majority owner, like what you've been insisting? :lmao

And look up Mullens's advanced stats to figure out why he's not getting anywhere near an MLE contract.

[HemisfairArena]

What facts? That Holt's the majority owner, like what you've been insisting? :lmao

And look up Mullens's advanced stats to figure out why he's not getting anywhere near an MLE contract.


I'm still waiting for guys like you to prove me wrong....Holt is the majority owner. Please tell me who you think it is......and I wont even add the laughing icon to embarrass you.

Peter M. Holt (born July 26, 1948 in Peoria, Illinois (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Illinois)) is a businessman (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Businessman). He is the CEO (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/CEO) of Holt Cat (http://www.holtcat.com/), the largest Caterpillar (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Caterpillar_Inc.) dealership in the United States (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/United_States) and chairman, CEO, and owner of Spurs Sports & Entertainment, which owns the 4-time NBA (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/National_Basketball_Association) champion San Antonio Spurs (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs), the WNBA's (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/WNBA) San Antonio Silver Stars (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/San_Antonio_Silver_Stars), the AHL's (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/American_Hockey_League) San Antonio Rampage (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/San_Antonio_Rampage), and the NBA Development League (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/NBA_Development_League)'s Austin Toros (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Austin_Toros).

Please tell me who owns the majority of the Spurs over Holt. LMAO...I can school you guys all night and you just dont get it.

[HemisfairArena]

Cmon guys...Spurs homers...tell me who owns the majority of the Spurs over Peter Holt. LMAO. I love proving Pop and Manu lovers wrong.

[daslicer]

I'm going to comment on this since the bobcats are my home team. I have seen a lot of bobcat games and Mullens is a scrub. The guy is garbage and his number are inflated due to playing heavy minutes in garbage time. This guy is extremely soft as tissue paper and makes Splitter looks hard.

[anakha]

I'm still waiting for guys like you to prove me wrong....Holt is the majority owner. Please tell me who you think it is......and I wont even add the laughing icon to embarrass you.

Peter M. Holt (born July 26, 1948 in Peoria, Illinois (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Illinois)) is a businessman (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Businessman). He is the CEO (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/CEO) of Holt Cat (http://www.holtcat.com/), the largest Caterpillar (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Caterpillar_Inc.) dealership in the United States (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/United_States) and chairman, CEO, and owner of Spurs Sports & Entertainment, which owns the 4-time NBA (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/National_Basketball_Association) champion San Antonio Spurs (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs), the WNBA's (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/WNBA) San Antonio Silver Stars (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/San_Antonio_Silver_Stars), the AHL's (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/American_Hockey_League) San Antonio Rampage (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/San_Antonio_Rampage), and the NBA Development League (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/NBA_Development_League)'s Austin Toros (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Austin_Toros).

Please tell me who owns the majority of the Spurs over Holt. LMAO...I can school you guys all night and you just dont get it.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

You have literally been the only poster on this board insisting Holt is the majority owner.

Everybody else who's responded to you on this has said that Holt is not the majority owner, has given the textbook definition of what a majority owner, and has explained why he is not. You are the only person that continues to operate under the delusion that owning the most shares while having less than 50%+1 = majority owner.

When nobody's agreeing with you, it's a pretty big indicator your take is absolutely, completely wrong.

Watching you continue to flail around impotently and continue to twist and turn in your own convoluted logic never fails to be amusing.

[Chinook]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

You have literally been the only poster on this board insisting Holt is the majority owner.

Everybody else who's responded to you on this has said that Holt is not the majority owner, has given the textbook definition of what a majority owner, and has explained why he is not. You are the only person that continues to operate under the delusion that owning the most shares while having less than 50%+1 = majority owner.

When nobody's agreeing with you, it's a pretty big indicator your take is absolutely, completely wrong.

Watching you continue to flail around impotently and continue to twist and turn in your own convoluted logic never fails to be amusing.

The dude's just going to keep trolling you, you know. Even if he is as dumb as his stance makes him look, even he can read a dictionary to find out what a majority owner is.

[anakha]

The dude's just going to keep trolling you, you know. Even if he is as dumb as his stance makes him look, even he can read a dictionary to find out what a majority owner is.

And it's going to continue showing that the rest of his takes are equally as moronic.

It's not like pointing out what a dumbass he is is costing me time or sleep. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Mullens is not a good basketball player.

Holt is not the majority owner of SS&E.

Anything else?

[UnWantedTheory]

Mullens is not a good basketball player.

Holt is not the majority owner of SS&E.

Anything else?
Fairly certain I wont misrepresent him by saying the following.
Splitter Sucks.
Mullens is better.
Holt=Majority owner.

[Marcus Bryant]

I hate Spurs fans.

[Man In Black]

Wouldn't it be SOME Spurs fans MB?

This ain't old SR but sometimes...I miss those days. We had some great HOYA & BAMA battles back in the day.

[Dunc n Dave]

Food for thought....

http://queencityhoops.com/blog/2013/05/13/season-report-card-byron-mullens/



Season Report Card: Byron Mullens

GRADE: C-
PER PER Against (Net)
Byron Mullens 12.4 22.6 (-10.2)

Strengths: For Byron, we might be better off calling this “Areas of Improvement” rather than “Strengths.” This year saw a fundamental change in the way Mullens was played; instead of relying on the long midrange jumper, he drastically increased his three-point attempts (5.2 per 36 vs. 1.3 last year). It’s a good idea in theory, since the three-pointer is a more efficient shot and it gave Kemba Walker, Gerald Henderson, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Ramon Sessions more room to operate in the paint. (For the reality, see Weaknesses.)

Even though Mullens was a below-average rebounder overall, he made significant strides on his defensive rebounding. He grabbed 22 percent of the available defensive boards when he was on the floor, the highest mark on the team and a good rate overall for a power forward. The Bobcats were one of the worst defensive rebounding teams in the league, so there are caveats there, but he still showed an improved aggressiveness on that end.

Mullens also made minor gains in other areas. His rebounding percentage overall got a slight bump (13.5 percent TRB, up from 12.8 percent TRB last year), and he showed some growth in his passing. As a result of his additional three-point attempts, he also saw a very minor increase in his eFG% (43.5 percent last year vs. 44.4 percent this year, which is still really bad).

Weaknesses: Woof. Where to start?

The three-point experiment was a mixed bag, at best — even with the shift in his shot selection, Mullens was a very inefficient player. As mentioned above, his eFG% of 44.4 percent was dismal, ranking 146th out of 191 forwards this year.

Part of the issue was Byron’s sometimes passive play. He’s actually decent at finishing around the basket, converting 62 percent of his shots in the restricted area over the past two years, but he spent a little too much time lounging outside the arc instead of fighting for shots inside. Some of that is the offensive scheme and falls on coaching, but we know that Dunlap was at least trying to get Mullens in the post more often. If three-point shots are replacing mid-range attempts, that’s ultimately good for a player’s efficiency. But only 29 percent of Mullens’ attempts came in the paint this year, compared to 38 percent last year. That’s a trend in the wrong direction.

Mullens’ rebounding and defense were also issues. Part of that, again, is the way he’s used: his poor offensive rebounding drags down his overall numbers, but it’s hard for him to get those boards when he plays away from the basket.

He doesn’t have much of an excuse for his defense, however. The team was substantially worse on that end when Mullens played, with their defensive rating dropping from an average of 108.9 to 113 when he was on the court. The frontcourt combo of Mullens and Biyombo seems athletic enough to play solid team defense, but the fundamentals just don’t seem to be there for either at this point.

(Random side note: In the 470 minutes that Mullens and Ben Gordon played together, the team’s defensive rating was an eyepopping 125.8. They should maybe limit how often those two are on the court at the same time.)

Reasons for Optimism: The stretch power forward is becoming more and more common in the NBA, especially as teams have shifted to smallball lineups and increased their share of three-point shots. Still, it’s relatively rare for a seven-footer to hit even 30 percent of his three-pointers, so Mullens does have some value.

If he returns next year, a reduced role and better shot selection could help Mullens improve his efficiency. His defensive issues and inconsistency would be a lot easier to hide in 15 minutes a game, as well.

Reasons for Pessimism: In a team context, Mullens just does not look very good. Overall offensive and defensive ratings declined when he was on the court, as did team rebounding and true shooting. Part of the appeal of a big man that shoots threes is the way it opens up looks inside for other players; that just didn’t materialize with Byron. Given how he’s struggled to defend, he’ll need to grow into an impact player on offense to justify a future with the team.

Depending on how the draft and free agency work out, I do think it’s likely Charlotte will sign Mullens to a qualifying offer. As flawed as he is, he’s still a young player with potential, and it will only cost the Bobcats $3.2 million to bring him back. That’s more than he’s worth at this point (:lol he didn't even meet his qualifying offer, but OP says he's better than Splitter?), but cap space shouldn’t be an issue this offseason. All that said, unless we see a significant jump from him, I’d bet next season is his last.

[Marcus Bryant]

Wouldn't it be SOME Spurs fans MB?

This ain't old SR but sometimes...I miss those days. We had some great HOYA & BAMA battles back in the day.

Nah, I hate all Spurs fans these days.

[Obstructed_View]

The Bobcats declined to give him a qualifying offer. tbh.

[benefactor]

The Bobcats declined to give him a qualifying offer. tbh.
/thread

[Darkwaters]

The guy seriously looks like he molests children:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/act_byron_mullens.jpg

[RD2191]

The guy seriously looks like he molests children:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/act_byron_mullens.jpg
:lmao

[biskvito]

OP forgot numbers aren't the only parameter a team uses when making decisions. It's part of it, but far from being the whole thing.

[rascal]

As another poster stated, Mullens is a career 40% shooter and Splitter is over 57%, so before looking at points (which Mullens takes considerably more shots) and rebounds (which Mullens may be getting an inflated number of offensive boards by rebounding his own misses) - you have to also consider their defense. Splitter is a great P/R defender and Mullens is an overall mediocre-poor defender.

Splitter's % would drop like a rock if he was called upon to have a bigger role on a weaker team. Splitter's % is a product of getting few shots and being setup by teammates in the Spurs system. Splitter cannot create his own shot and is worthless anywhere away from the basket.

[rascal]

I'm going to comment on this since the bobcats are my home team. I have seen a lot of bobcat games and Mullens is a scrub. The guy is garbage and his number are inflated due to playing heavy minutes in garbage time. This guy is extremely soft as tissue paper and makes Splitter looks hard.

Both Mullens and Splitter stink.

[HemisfairArena]

Both Mullens and Splitter stink.


Agree. Thats why I say the Clippers are only on the hook for 1 mil/yr while we are on the hook for 9 mil/yr. There is no way anyone can say Splitter is 8 mil/yr better than Mullins. We wayyyyy over paid for him.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Splitter's % would drop like a rock if he was called upon to have a bigger role on a weaker team. Splitter's % is a product of getting few shots and being setup by teammates in the Spurs system. Splitter cannot create his own shot and is worthless anywhere away from the basket.

There is really no way that we can know this - but I strongly disagree with his percentages dropping. There are plenty of bigs on weak teams that put up MUCH better numbers than Mullens. Splitter's percentage is much higher than Mullens because he recognizes that he is not a mid-range/3pt shooter, and apparently Mullens has not figured this out (or is too weak to post at all, and resorts to acting as a medocre SG in a center's body). I think, and again I realize that there is now that we can know for sure, that Splitter could easily be an 18/10 guy on a poor team like the Bobcats.

I know that you didn't argue this, but the OP failed to consider the defense that both play. Mullens is a very poor defender, while Splitter has developed into a very strong defender (especially against the P/R). I know that stupid contracts get thrown out all the time, but there's a reason why more than one team was willing to give Splitter $9M+/yr and Mullens was only offered a deal near the league minimum.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Agree. Thats why I say the Clippers are only on the hook for 1 mil/yr while we are on the hook for 9 mil/yr. There is no way anyone can say Splitter is 8 mil/yr better than Mullins. We wayyyyy over paid for him.

Both the Blazers and Spurs (and perhaps more, had he hit the open market) said EXACTLY that.

[CaptainLate]

You are correct, HA, "life calls". Texas is becoming Sodom & Gomorrah and you have Homies who just can't get enough of ST. Now, multiply that by a few million other Homies and no wonder Texas is joining the ranks of Satan's New World Order.

"Are you not entertained?"

[spurraider21]

The Bobcats declined to give him a qualifying offer. tbh.

I always thought Hemisfair was bad, especially because he joined SBM and SA210's gang, but this thread is the ultimate bads

[CaptainLate]

Hey, man. I respect everyones opinions....IS there really posters with over 20,000 thousand posts and want to call out other posters for being trolls or lack of a productive life? Seriously?.....we all come on here but life has so much more to offer. I come on here...posts a few times...and have to leave because life calls.....

You are correct, HA, "life calls". Texas is becoming Sodom & Gomorrah and you have Homies who just can't get enough of ST. Now, multiply that by a few million other Homies and no wonder Texas is joining the ranks of Satan's New World Order.

"Are you not entertained?"

[Chinook]

I always thought Hemisfair was bad, especially because he joined SBM and SA210's gang, but this thread is the ultimate bads

He seems like an Avante troll, but instead of knowing a bunch of trivial things, he lacks a basic understanding of math and denotation.

[HemisfairArena]

He seems like an Avante troll, but instead of knowing a bunch of trivial things, he lacks a basic understanding of math and denotation.


All that may be true...but what I do know is people who live on internet forums and that is there whole means of social interaction are a scary bunch. You can see the venom spewed at people who have a different opinion than themselves. The hatred runs rampant. Oh this guy must be a troll...he doesnt know shit....he lives in his mothers basement...he sucks and flips burgers for a living...ect...ect... Is that really what life has boiled down to for some on here? Eat, sleep, get on Spurstalk and insult those that dont have the same opinions. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. LMAO. Good luck with that....I hope they swing for the fences and get that magical 100,000 posts mark...what a feat to achieve.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, the guy is so great you can't even get his name right.

[Kindergarten Cop]

The hatred runs rampant. Oh this guy must be a troll...he doesnt know shit.

http://missourigrassrootscoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/pot-kettle.jpg

[HemisfairArena]

Yeah, the guy is so great you can't even get his name right.

Case in point....you're closing in on that 100,000 post count, Chump. You can do it!

[ChumpDumper]

Case in point....you're closing in on that 100,000 post count, Chump. You can do it!I guess you have to try to distract from your horrible takes somehow.

Good luck!

[Kindergarten Cop]

Case in point....you're closing in on that 100,000 post count, Chump. You can do it!

Post count smack talk? I'm intrigued. :corn:

[anakha]

All that may be true...but what I do know is people who live on internet forums and that is there whole means of social interaction are a scary bunch. You can see the venom spewed at people who have a different opinion than themselves. The hatred runs rampant. Oh this guy must be a troll...he doesnt know shit....he lives in his mothers basement...he sucks and flips burgers for a living...ect...ect... Is that really what life has boiled down to for some on here? Eat, sleep, get on Spurstalk and insult those that dont have the same opinions. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. LMAO. Good luck with that....I hope they swing for the fences and get that magical 100,000 posts mark...what a feat to achieve.

Keep tilting at windmills, buddy.

Don Quixote's fantasy world has nothing on yours. :lol

[spurraider21]

We sign Splitter for 9 mil/yr for averaging 10 and 6 this year...and my fellow Spurs fan say that is a good deal. Clippers just signed Mullins for 2 mil and he averages 10 and 6 this year and is 5 years younger. Is this a joke?
bump

[Chinook]

Hem managed to have an even worst take than 40 percent=majority. That's not easy to do.