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boobie4three
07-22-2013, 10:18 AM
WHAT IT MEANS TO BE WHITE IN AMERICA Bob Lonsberry Written July 22, 2013

The president told us on Friday what it’s like to be black in America.

A couple of days before that, his attorney general said that America needs to be honest about race. Since then, any number of prominent black people have said we need to have a national discussion about race.

So let’s.

Let’s have a discussion about race.

Not a one-sided harangue, but a two-way discussion. Let’s move beyond the politically correct “Whites are racists, blacks are victims” and actually talk things out.

You do that by hearing both sides.

Toward that end, in the spirit of the president’s remarks, I’d like to discuss what it’s like to be a white man in America. And I’d like to be held to the same standard as the president. His remarks were personal impressions based on generalizations, traditions, culture and folklore.

He was called brave.

I’ll be called racist.

That’s because our system is based on a double standard. Black criticisms of white society are insightful; white criticisms of black society are bigotry.

White people know that if they say anything that doesn’t exactly toe the line of political correctness, they run the risk of losing their jobs and their public reputations. We live in a society where the accusation of racism is evidence enough; to be accused is to be guilty.

That’s what we white people think.

We also think that we pay the bills. We think that we disproportionately pay the taxes and that black people disproportionately collect the welfare. We feel like we are being ripped off and that this uneven shouldering of the burden will eventually bankrupt and kill our country.

I work in a building that houses a Social Security office. One elevator serves that office specifically. It is stunning to note the demographic difference between the elevators. Overwhelmingly, white people go up one set of elevators to work, and black people go up the other set of elevators to apply for SSI.

Young, healthy people.

All day long.

The culture of many white Americans is one of hard work and self-reliance. Our heritage teaches us that work is ennobling, and our religion teaches us that by the sweat of our brow we should eat our bread.

And we feel like we are being robbed by a socially dysfunctional urban black America where out-of-wedlock birth, educational failure, criminal conduct and other irresponsibility perversely entitle people to money we earned to support our families.

We believe that races are equal, but cultures are not, and that a woefully failed black urban culture is cancerously destroying lives and communities. And we feel like we have to both foot the bill to support it and fight it, and watch out for spillover that might threaten us.

White people also believe black America has a predatory crime problem that creates a real danger for all of us.

We believe that because it happens to be an undeniable truth. Blacks are disproportionately involved in crime, and while some blacks believe that’s because of a racist criminal justice system, most whites believe it’s because blacks are more likely to commit crime.

We all pretend not to notice the race of the mug shots on the evening news, but we’re only pretending. We notice, and we don’t forget. We don’t believe the criminal justice system is victimizing inmates, we believe the criminal justice system is protecting us from inmates. We believe people in prison deserve to be there – they did the crime, they do the time.

Black violence – much of it directed against other blacks – has over the years since 9-11 racked up a higher body count than the war on terrorism.

White people think that is a big deal.

If black people are complaining about Stand Your Ground laws of self-defense, white people are saying that you don’t have to worry about it if you don’t attack anybody. The cry against Stand Your Ground is a cry in defense of people who are violently assaulting other people. Black people are disproportionately injured in all types of self-defense situations because black people are disproportionately involved in attacking other people, and pushing those people into self-defense. That’s not a problem with the law, that’s a problem with people’s conduct.

White people also believe that we are disadvantaged in the workplace. We believe that quotas and diversity programs discriminate against us in hiring and promotion. This is truest in the government and corporate workplaces.

It’s true for the white male hoping to get hired on the police or fire department, and it’s true for the mid-career white person passed over for less-qualified minority employees.

Many white people are bothered by the social conduct of some black people. Often there is a loud, obnoxious and profane behavior, and a crude sexual harassment of women in public settings.

Black apologists often speak of “culture” and of the need for whites to understand and respect black culture. The president on Friday said we needed sensitivity training. Many whites would like that to be a two-way street. We’d like a little courtesy extended to our sensitivities, too.

White people believe that black people have a chip on their shoulder about race. And a persecution complex. And an inability sometimes to talk or think about anything else.

We also think that black people get pulled over by the police for the same reasons anyone does – for breaking the traffic law – and that the cry of racism anytime anyone has contact with the police is a bunch of crud.

These are some of the things white people think.

Of course, my account is just as full of generalizations as the president’s. He made assumptions about the thinking of the very diverse group of Americans who happen to be black, and he made assumptions about the thinking of the very diverse group of Americans who happen to be white. I have done the same. He was undoubtedly part right and part wrong. I am also undoubtedly part right and part wrong.

Do you think some of my observations were hurtful and overbroad? What of the president’s implicit assertions that white women on elevators are racists, and that cops on patrol are racists, and that store employees are racists? Are his claims different or more justified?

The president, to the extent that he understands the subject, told us what it’s like to be a black man in America.

But what he had was not a conversation, it was a condemnation. And two can play that game.

With all this clamoring in recent days for a conversation, it is understood that what activists and politicians really want is one more denunciation of white America. The conversation is about how racist America is and how unfair it is to blacks.

And that’s simply not true.

And if this is truly a conversation, then I am free to say that.

But I’m not.

And that’s what it means to be white in America.


- by Bob Lonsberry © 2013

http://www.boblonsberry.com/writings.cfm?go=4

ChumpDumper
07-22-2013, 11:22 AM
Didn't read.

I will tell you what it means to be white in America though.

It's a pretty sweet deal tbh.

TeyshaBlue
07-22-2013, 11:26 AM
butthurtblog.com

Creepn
07-22-2013, 11:29 AM
The president on Friday said we needed sensitivity training. Many whites would like that to be a two-way street. We’d like a little courtesy extended to our sensitivities, too.

Awwwwww, you need a hug Boobie?

DisAsTerBot
07-22-2013, 11:29 AM
i read it. Not white, but seemed fair enough.

boutons_deux
07-22-2013, 11:35 AM
poor Euro-Americans, such a downtrodden, persecuted group.

Oh, Gee!!
07-22-2013, 11:36 AM
IOW-He's offended that some blacks are offended by the GZ verdict.

boutons_deux
07-22-2013, 11:38 AM
"it is understood that what activists and politicians really want is one more denunciation of white America."

He Lies

it is understood that what NRA/gun industry really want with SYG laws is more guns and ammo sold and lots more dead n!gg@s.

boutons_deux
07-22-2013, 11:56 AM
IOW-He's offended that some blacks are offended by the GZ verdict.

and he ignores that Ms of whites are also upset about TM being murdered.

z0sa
07-22-2013, 12:02 PM
:lol boutons
:lol old man
:lol retard

boobie4three
07-22-2013, 12:14 PM
[/I]Awwwwww, you need a hug Boobie?

Couldn't hurt. We white folk have been taking it in the ass far too long.:fight

resistanze
07-22-2013, 12:36 PM
Couldn't hurt. We white folk have been taking it in the ass far too long.:fight

Still welshing on your bet, faggot?

Trill Clinton
07-22-2013, 12:40 PM
Is this satire?

boobie4three
07-22-2013, 12:43 PM
Still welshing on your bet, faggot?

Bet's been paid in full dipshit.....Well, almost full.

George Gervin's Afro
07-22-2013, 12:47 PM
Poor white guys... they have only been able to run this country since it's inception.... poor, poor, white guys..

Th'Pusher
07-22-2013, 12:49 PM
Is this satire?

It does not appear to be. It appears to be a whiny bitch thought masturbating all over the Internet.

Big Empty
07-22-2013, 12:51 PM
Couldn't hurt. We white folk have been taking it in the ass far too long.:fightJust your woman, but they insist. :)

boobie4three
07-22-2013, 02:01 PM
Just your woman, but they insist. :)

I served you up a big fat hanging curve ball on that one. Nice.

spurs_fan_in_exile
07-22-2013, 02:08 PM
Eddie Murphy's report was pretty spot on. Nothing's really changed since then.

johnsmith
07-22-2013, 02:33 PM
No one on this thread has argued with the content of the OP....except boutons, but he doesn't count.

Oh, Gee!!
07-22-2013, 02:47 PM
No one on this thread has argued with the content of the OP....except boutons, but he doesn't count.

it would help to know what the OP is trying to communicate. sounds like a bunch of "woe are we" complaints to me.

ChumpDumper
07-22-2013, 02:56 PM
No one on this thread has argued with the content of the OP....except boutons, but he doesn't count.I'm white and I don't think that way.

There.

DisAsTerBot
07-22-2013, 03:03 PM
that's exactly what was being communicated. The other side of the "woe are we" coin.

Oh, Gee!!
07-22-2013, 03:04 PM
I think that BO's comments about racial attitudes about black people in America have historical context (slavery, jim crow, etc.) that are well-documented. The same cannot be said about the OP's perceived persecution of white people in this country (save for anecdotes about how a white guy got passed over somewhere by a black person or God forbid, a woman!).

Oh, Gee!!
07-22-2013, 03:05 PM
that's exactly what was being communicated. The other side of the "woe are we" coin.

meh...he just probably wants to be able the use the N word more freely

Jacob1983
07-22-2013, 03:09 PM
I want my hand out.

ChumpDumper
07-22-2013, 03:10 PM
I want my hand out.What makes you think you haven't gotten one?

Jacob1983
07-22-2013, 03:21 PM
I'm poor so I deserve a handout. Handout please!

Creepn
07-22-2013, 03:26 PM
I'm poor so I deserve a handout. Handout please!

Apply for foodstamps if you're that poor. I won't judge you.

ChumpDumper
07-22-2013, 03:27 PM
I'm poor so I deserve a handout. Handout please!How do you know you haven't been given a handout?

LnGrrrR
07-22-2013, 03:32 PM
I read two sentences, and can guess that the rest of the article whines about how hard it is being white, like not being able to have our own cable channel and how capable white people are getting shoved out of job openings due to racial quotas. Let us see how I did!

LnGrrrR
07-22-2013, 03:34 PM
:lol Who would read this whole thing? Obvious racist is obvious.

Th'Pusher
07-22-2013, 03:36 PM
The op found it so insightful he rushed to ST political forum to post it. Probably had steam piping out of his ears as he read it.

Creepn
07-22-2013, 03:38 PM
The op found it so insightful he rushed to ST political forum to post it. Probably had steam piping out of his ears as he read it.

lol. I visualized him fist pumping in the air at the end of reading it.

boutons_deux
07-22-2013, 03:42 PM
Limbaugh excusing those victimized (neo)Confederate WHITES for their slavery and racism.

Limbaugh on white guilt: ‘It’s preposterous that Caucasians are blamed for slavery’

Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh on Monday said that he was done with “white guilt” because white people had done more to end slavery “than any other race.”

“This, this white guilt, it’s time for all this white guilt to end,” Limbaugh told his listeners. “If any race of people should not have guilt about slavery, it’s Caucasians. The white race has probably had fewer slaves and for a briefer period of time than any other in the history of the world.”

“Now, sadly, we’re not talking about the rest of the world when the civil rights coalition gets ginned up. They’re talking about America and slavery,” he continued. “And that can’t be denied; it happened. But, compared to the kind of slavery that still exists in the rest of the world and has existed, by no means was it anywhere near the worst.”

Limbaugh went on to say that slaves were the “primary reason” that Arabs, “black Africans” and American Indians went to war.

“But despite all that, no other race has ever fought a war for the purpose of ending slavery, which we did,” the radio host opined. “Nearly 600,000 people killed in the Civil War. It’s preposterous that Caucasians are blamed for slavery when they’ve done more to end it than any other race, and within the bounds of the Constitution to boot.”

“And yet white guilt is still one of the dominating factors in American politics. It’s exploited, it’s played upon, it is promoted, used, and it’s unnecessary.”


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/22/limbaugh-on-white-guilt-its-preposterous-that-caucasians-are-blamed-for-slavery/

and the white "Christian" Confederate bubbas swallow RL's shit like with BBQ baby back ribs and Gospel truth.

CosmicCowboy
07-22-2013, 03:49 PM
This is an entertaining thread. Really demonstrates the polarization of thought on the subject.

Chief Brody
07-22-2013, 03:54 PM
I read two sentences, and can guess that the rest of the article whines about how hard it is being white, like not being able to have our own cable channel and how capable white people are getting shoved out of job openings due to racial quotas. Let us see how I did!
If you're in a position where a black man can easily replace you then you've already failed imo.

boobie4three
07-22-2013, 05:32 PM
The op found it so insightful he rushed to ST political forum to post it. Probably had steam piping out of his ears as he read it.

No, but I did have a woody. Everything in that article is dead nuts on. If anyone here has read it and has an issue with any part of it, let us hear it. And the writer is correct when he says anyone who would publicly speak these beliefs would be branded a racist. If a politician were to utter these words he would be banished to the ends of the earth.
There is a paragraph in there that addresses the concerns expressed here by some that SYG laws are racist. The writer has an answer for you.


If black people are complaining about Stand Your Ground laws of self-defense, white people are saying that you don’t have to worry about it if you don’t attack anybody. The cry against Stand Your Ground is a cry in defense of people who are violently assaulting other people. Black people are disproportionately injured in all types of self-defense situations because black people are disproportionately involved in attacking other people, and pushing those people into self-defense. That’s not a problem with the law, that’s a problem with people’s conduct.


See that? You-don't-have-to-worry-about-it-if-you-don't-attack-anybody. Sad that Trayvon Martin didn't have a caring enough father to teach him such a simple truth.

ChumpDumper
07-22-2013, 05:36 PM
Sorry, if some fat Mexican was following a white dude around at night, the white dude could shoot him and get off with a self-defense argument.

That's just how good we white people have it.

boobie4three
07-22-2013, 05:41 PM
Sorry, if some fat Mexican was following a white dude around at night, the white dude could shoot him and get off with a self-defense argument.

That's just how good we white people have it.


Thanks, but you're going to have to site me a case where that happened.

ChumpDumper
07-22-2013, 05:46 PM
Thanks, but you're going to have to site me a case where that happened.Florida black letter (lol) law now backs me up.

The precedent has been set.

CosmicCowboy
07-22-2013, 05:52 PM
i'm getting really tired of this Martin/Zimmerman inspired race shit. I'm tired of seeing it on TV, I'm tired of seeing it in here. There IS NO FUCKING DIALOGUE about us all accepting that there are good people and there are bad people and be willing to get past skin color and knee jerk defending black/other team. Fuck this shit.

ChumpDumper
07-22-2013, 05:53 PM
i'm getting really tired of this Martin/Zimmerman inspired race shit. I'm tired of seeing it on TV, I'm tired of seeing it in here. There IS NO FUCKING DIALOGUE about us all accepting that there are good people and there are bad people and be willing to get past skin color and knee jerk defending black/other team. Fuck this shit.I accept that Zimmerman is a bad person.

boobie4three
07-22-2013, 05:53 PM
Florida black letter (lol) law now backs me up.

The precedent has been set.

Sorry, I must be a little slow on the uptick. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

ChumpDumper
07-22-2013, 05:54 PM
Sorry, I must be a little slow on the uptick. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.I am not surprised you are ignorant. I guess you can blame that on the blacks too.

boobie4three
07-22-2013, 05:58 PM
I am not surprised you are ignorant. I guess you can blame that on the blacks too.

Great. Thanks for playing. Next.

ChumpDumper
07-22-2013, 05:59 PM
Great. Thanks for playing. Next.It's Florida law.

A very easy Google search.

See if you can do it.

Rogue
07-22-2013, 06:00 PM
Pure whites and blacks have already died out before the 80s of last century imho, so the boundary between white and black is blurred these days just like the boundary between Democrats and repubs. Most americans are mixed-raced to different extents, so it's not uncommon to see a white dude doing "black" stuffs in this society or vice versa

rjv
07-22-2013, 06:03 PM
If you're in a position where a black man can easily replace you then you've already failed imo.

that should be the new motto for the GOP

Chief Brody
07-22-2013, 06:17 PM
that should be the new motto for the GOP
The shoe fits

DUNCANownsKOBE
07-22-2013, 06:47 PM
When are all these oppressed white people gonna take action? Complaining on the Internet isn't gonna change anything.

DUNCANownsKOBE
07-22-2013, 06:51 PM
If you're in a position where a black man can easily replace you then you've already failed imo.
:lol yup. People like the OP are pissed that some mediocre resume got a job interview over his mediocre resume because skin color was the tie breaker.

Bill_Brasky
07-22-2013, 09:05 PM
I'd re-up if i could, I'm half hispanic like Zimmerman we can get away with anything.

Bill_Brasky
07-22-2013, 09:06 PM
If you're in a position where a black man can easily replace you then you've already failed imo.

Boom.

AntiChrist
07-22-2013, 09:59 PM
It's the damn Indians taking all the tech jobs. Can't understand them and they work for peanuts.

Spurminator
07-22-2013, 10:44 PM
The culture of many white Americans is one of hard work and self-reliance.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Htyr08bPHJc/T_7hpya70vI/AAAAAAAACnA/EHJeJ9LYx9w/s320/fat+rascal.jpg
http://www.empowernetwork.com/hansschoff/files/2012/07/dont_work_just_make_money-300x286.png
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlla/files/original/paris_hilton_at_the_beach.jpg
http://sameritech.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fat1.jpg?w=399
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H5q7Vy4KyD4/UGgQ0KuElgI/AAAAAAAAF2g/VWyEfvDUiEk/s400/Honey%2BBoo%2BBoo%2BAdorable%2BKid.jpg

The Reckoning
07-23-2013, 12:12 AM
let's have an honest discussion about not discussing race anymore

Creepn
07-23-2013, 12:38 AM
If you're in a position where a black man can easily replace you then you've already failed imo.
So that is why you make multiple trolls and spam message boards with racist shit huh? Venting your frustrations that a subhuman can actually do a job better than you. Ouch.

And lol at your sig. How'd you find that? You actually took the time to google what? "Fat black n***s" or something for your troll account? What a loser.

spurraider21
07-23-2013, 01:04 AM
let's have an honest discussion about not discussing race anymore
try another thread

Chief Brody
07-23-2013, 01:36 AM
So that is why you make multiple trolls and spam message boards with racist shit huh? Venting your frustrations that a subhuman can actually do a job better than you. Ouch.

And lol at your sig. How'd you find that? You actually took the time to google what? "Fat black n***s" or something for your troll account? What a loser.
Alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllrighty then {cracks knuckles}.

The "dat's racist!" act from you is about 5 years old now. EVOLVE. Both sides love the race-baiting here because it helps pass the time and it's a cheap way to get laughs. Sure, it gets beyond stale at times, but events such as the GZ-TM case rekindle those flames (even though this incident was not racially motivated). It's part of the juice, part of the game--and if you haven't figured it out by now then I don't know what to tell you, especially since you're an accessory to it. Nobody on this board--except for WildCobra--is a tried and true racist in real life. Do you really believe we're out there dropping N-bombs and looking at black people with contempt? If your answer's yes, then I am to believe you truly are a banal Uncle Tom who's inexplicably in constant search of reparations?

It's all fun and games, hence the back and forth threads from Trill and Co. about the latest crime from an (insert race here). It's a symbiotic relationship, but there's a growing undercurrent of jealousy from you about Trill's swag and ability to handle the game. Maybe this is b/c you're basically caffeine free Diet Trill. You're better as a pawn, stay that way. He gets the love from the ST community b/c he's original and funny. As for the sig, I saw it on facebook the other day and thought I could elicit some easy butthurt reactions from simpletons. Lo and behold, you did not disappoint.

Lastly, if a black man were to replace me at my job, it would be due to his intellectual merits, higher credentials, and greater experience. If said person comes along, he'll have my blessing. It will have been hard-earned and well-deserved.

Regards,

Martin Brody
Chief of Police, Amityville.

~O~
07-23-2013, 02:09 AM
I read the entire article and I agree with it. You know what else? I'm black.

You know what else? I'm in college, never been jailed, never been given a ticket, handle my money responsibly, and constantly educating myself out of school with no motivation. The article shouldn't be directed at "All Blacks" and "All Whites". The article should be directed at idiots. The sad thing about this world and about this article is that it puts everyone into a pool.

There is a group of higher educated African American people such as myself that despise how African Americans are perceived by whites because of the cycle of ignorance that darkens the slums of major cities in the United States. By the articles logic, African Americans are intimidating psychopaths lol. Sheesh. I'm not violent at all but I guess whites are freaking scared to death of us.

I'm educated enough to know that this is ridiculous. The bigger picture is we came from one another through millions of years of evolution....all from a common ancestor. Such an advanced species of life and yet..as a whole still unable to get over its ridiculous issue of race but you know what. Prejudice will never end. What if we were all the same color? People would find another to separate themselves and create a lower ranking people based on physical or biological traits such as the shape of their nose or hair color. This is already being done already. Hell. It could get even more ludicrous than that!.

The world is doomed to stay the same. This is until the universe disasters of chance places this planet out of its misery. Our existence will be a blink in the almost indeterminate unidirectional creation of time as we return to what we came from. I tend to look at the bigger picture. As heavily educated as I am, I know that my body was once part of trees, oceans, domestic animals, and even people. Its a complex thing to think about but this is the realism of life people don't take into perspective.

When you're stereotyping people, you're condescend on people in any shape or form, your condescending yourself. This is why I respect philosophers like Alan Watts and theoretical physicist Michio Kaku. They awaken your mind to a more humble and open minded perspective of this phenomenon.

Back to the subject. This will never stop. The thing I've accepted about racism is that the people being the racists will die. Every culture has its set of a class of people who are idiots. I analyze this in each in every individual forum. Hypocrites in all facets of life. Not all of poster. Just many. The satisfaction to life is that everyone will die whether good or bad. This thought keeps me sane when thoughts bloom of how long the lamebrain comments to last. The inevitable will happen; it is your fate. When I die, I'll be content knowing this will always be the factuality. So yes, continue with your life as if you never read this post and if you never read this post, I guess I will never have the opportunity to open your eyes at anything.

Nbadan
07-23-2013, 04:22 AM
Anytime you make generalizations about any group of people, you can bet you sound like an ass...

George Gervin's Afro
07-23-2013, 10:38 AM
Hey the the white folk have 'whitey tighties' to their credit.. isn't that good enough?

lol

rjv
07-23-2013, 12:31 PM
Lastly, if a black man were to replace me at my job, it would be due to his intellectual merits, higher credentials, and greater experience. If said person comes along, he'll have my blessing. It will have been hard-earned and well-deserved.

Regards,

Martin Brody
Chief of Police, Amityville.

or maybe he just wouldn't have any fear of water

DUNCANownsKOBE
07-23-2013, 01:39 PM
or maybe he just wouldn't have any fear of water
A black guy not having any fear of water? Unlikely tbh.

Chief Brody
07-23-2013, 02:48 PM
DoK put that hanging breaking ball in the cheap seats.

DUNCANownsKOBE
07-23-2013, 07:36 PM
I went with the simple response but I feel like I coulda done more with it tbh. You don't come across gopher balls like that very often :lol