If Fans Got To Choose How Many MVP's Would Kobe Have? I Say 7

[Koolaid_Man]

I now realize the award means as little as All-Star game appearances: it is voted on by media members much like the ASG is a popularity contest voted on by fans.

It appears the MVP awarded regarding the following logic:

1) Best player on the team with the best record.

Or

2) Best overall player.

With me so far?

05 -06 MVP
Teams with the best record:
Detroit Pistons (64-18)
San Antonio Spurs (63-19)

Meanwhile, Steve Nash, the 05-06 MVP winner's Phoenix Suns were a paltry 54-28.

Chauncey Billups 18.5ppg, 3.1rpg, 8.6apg, 0.9spg

With the "Best player on the best team" logic, Chauncey Billups, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker were all robbed because they were more qualified candidates.

If Steve Nash was awarded MVP, he must've been the best player in the league overall?

Nash: 18.8ppg, 4.2rpg, 10.5asp, 0.8spg

In comparison to:
Kobe 35.4ppg, 5.3rpg, 4.5apg, 1.8spg

Not to mention, this was the same season Kobe dropped 81 in 4 quarters, 62 through 3 quarters outscoring an entire team by himself, etc.

So, if Steve Nash couldn't have won while he was the best player on the best team, and couldn't have won while he was the NBA's best overall player...Why did he?

[Katherine Robinson]

If fans chose accolades, Kobe Bryant would be 10x MVP & 8x DPOY.

The NBA is wise to not let fans choose accolades.

[Koolaid_Man]

If fans chose accolades, Kobe Bryant would be 10x MVP & 8x DPOY.

The NBA is wise to not let fans choose accolades.

why is the media any better than fans? Especially when the media has proven to be corrupt and inept...you still trust they made all the right voting decisions...or just want to ignore my post above and spout non-sense

[Katherine Robinson]

why is the media any better than fans? Especially when the media has proven to be corrupt and inept...you still trust they made all the right voting decisions...or just want to ignore my post above and spout non-sense

The media would not have Jeremy Lin in the top 5 for his position in all star voting.

[Koolaid_Man]

ONE of the MAIN reasons why Kobe Bryant hasn't won 4 or 5 MVP's is because of the Colorado case. The Media is controlled by White men and they hate Kobe. They don't care about his basketball skills. They only care about whether his image is marketable or not. Remember back when Kobe used to average 35 points a season and hitting all them big shots in the playoffs for LA when they had scrubs like Smush Parker and Kwami Brown on the team LMFAO? In my opinion Kobe should have at least 4 MVP's by now.

Would LeTravel James still be the NBA's Golden Boy? Come on man the man can't even get to the basket without traveling. In terms of pure Basketball skills Kobe is second to none and any Basketball purist will tell you that. Kobe has been the BEST PURE Basketball player since 2001. Taking a trash team made of players like Kwame Brown and Smush Parker into the Playoffs should have earned Kobe a Congressional Medal of Honor. LOL..

[RsxPiimp]

why is the media any better than fans? Especially when the media has proven to be corrupt and inept...you still trust they made all the right voting decisions...or just want to ignore my post above and spout non-sense

Real talk

[AchillesHeel]

05-06 Kirby was arguably the best player in the league due to his scoring ability, but multiple players averaged over 30 ppg and Kirby didn't even score the most points despite his huge ppg

Iverson averaged 33 ppg on 45% FG(league leader in total points) with 3.2 rebs, 7.4 ast and 1.9 stls per game, individually arguably better than Kirby, though his team only won 38 games. Basically both players scored a lot of points with Iverson being the better playmaker but neither of them could win many games. I don't see how Kirby deserved the MVP that year. Obviously benefited from the rule changes.

[Koolaid_Man]

Kobe should have won MVPS in these seasons:

2002-2003 - Avg 30 ppg 6.9 rebs 5 assts

2005-2006 - Avg 35 ppg 5rebs 4 assts

2006-2007 - Avg 31 ppg 6 rebs 4 assts

2007-2008 - Avg 28 ppg 5 rebs 5 assts - Only Time he won MVP

Kobe should have 4 MVPS under his belt right now, but since MVP is a media worthy award, Kobe was very mislooked. Its okay, Kobe is all about winning and his titles will put him over the top when its all said and done.

[RsxPiimp]

The media would not have Jeremy Lin in the top 5 for his position in all star voting.

flawed logic. all star games are for pure entertainment.

[Clipper Nation]

why is the media any better than fans?
Because the Chinese would make sure Yao got MVP every year....

[Katherine Robinson]

flawed logic. all star games are for pure entertainment.

There is no entertainment in watching Jeremy Lin. If fans voted for accolades, then we would see the players with the biggest fan base get the most accolades. Kobe Bryant would win DPOY if he head the league in turnovers.

[Koolaid_Man]

There is no entertainment in watching Jeremy Lin. If fans voted for accolades, then we would see the players with the biggest fan base get the most accolades. Kobe Bryant would win DPOY if he head the league in turnovers.

Kobe has more Chinese fans that Yao Ming..but same difference when it comes to to the media right? He has more haters and yet they're allowed to vote MVP...

[RsxPiimp]

of course that's not true, there are a lot more basketball fans in usa than china. Fail.:lol

[Clipper Nation]

flawed logic. all star games are for pure entertainment.
Flawed logic on your part, a lot of players have clauses in their contracts giving them extra money for making or starting in the All-Star Game.... if the Chinese vote-spammers had managed to get Lin in, a superior player with that clause might have been fucked over, tbh....

[Clipper Nation]

of course that's not true, there are a lot more basketball fans in usa than china. Fail.:lol
The Chinese managed to make Yao an All-Star "starter" in a year when he only played 5 games.... they almost got Yi fucking Jianlian into the ASG over Garnett :lol

[Katherine Robinson]

Kobe has more Chinese fans that Yao Ming..but same difference when it comes to to the media right? He has more haters and yet they're allowed to vote MVP...

Do you not see how the point of accolades would deteriorate, then? Instead of it rewarding skill, it rewards popularity. What percent of fans, do you believe, actually appreciate and understand defense?

[Koolaid_Man]

Do you not see how the point of accolades would deteriorate, then? Instead of it rewarding skill, it rewards popularity. What percent of fans, do you believe, actually appreciate and understand defense?

prove to me that a prime Kobe was not the best scoring wing defender in the league...he may not have been a Bruce Bowen level defender but he was close...Kobe was a great defender for 80% of his career

[RsxPiimp]

The Chinese managed to make Yao an All-Star "starter" in a year when he only played 5 games.... they almost got Yi fucking Jianlian into the ASG over Garnett :lol

the chinese movement wasn't the only one voting for jianlian. A huge number of his votes were from americans trolling the voting system.

Yao deserved to play in ever AS game those years. If jamal magloire and chris kaman are getting in then yao by default should be in :lol

[RsxPiimp]

I hate chattin when usin my S3 so ill be back later and preach

[Clipper Nation]

Yao deserved to play in ever AS game those years. If jamal magloire and chris kaman are getting in then yao by default should be in :lol
So you think Yao should have been wheeled out in a chair in 2011 instead of Duncan getting to start (and Love getting to be on the team)? You're even dumber than I thought :lol

[RsxPiimp]

Its common sense. A player voted in doesn't mean he has to play if he's injured. Thanks for spinnin that shit DJ Mike.

[JamStone]

05-06 Kirby was arguably the best player in the league due to his scoring ability, but multiple players averaged over 30 ppg and Kirby didn't even score the most points despite his huge ppg

Iverson averaged 33 ppg on 45% FG(league leader in total points) with 3.2 rebs, 7.4 ast and 1.9 stls per game, individually arguably better than Kirby, though his team only won 38 games. Basically both players scored a lot of points with Iverson being the better playmaker but neither of them could win many games. I don't see how Kirby deserved the MVP that year. Obviously benefited from the rule changes.

Double check your research. It's incorrect.

[AchillesHeel]

Double check your research. It's incorrect.



2005-06 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2006/)
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PHI (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2006.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2006.html)
PG
72
72
43.1
11.3
25.3
.447
1.0
3.1
.323
9.4
11.5
.814
0.6
2.6
3.2
7.4
1.9
0.1
3.4
1.7
33.0

[JamStone]

Ok. Now post Kobe's 2005-06 season and make sure it's the correct season. Also post points totals each for that season.

[Clipper Nation]

LeBron was more deserving than Kirby in '05-'06, tbh.... he "only" averaged 31.4 PPG compared to Kirby's 35.4, but had a better FG%, TS%, and eFG%, averaged more assists per game, had a better offensive and defensive rating, put up more win shares, and his team was better than Kirby's....

[Katherine Robinson]

prove to me that a prime Kobe was not the best scoring wing defender in the league...he may not have been a Bruce Bowen level defender but he was close...Kobe was a great defender for 80% of his career

There is only one DPOY and it will usually go to a big.

[RsxPiimp]

Achillesheel:lol step up your game son that's jamstone you talkin to not whitemamba:lol

[RsxPiimp]

I'm pretty sure lebrons team is bettter than kobe in 05-06 lebron also played in a shitty eastern conference. Kwame brown smush and luke walton these were your los angeles lakers:lol

[resistanze]

LeBron was more deserving than Kirby in '05-'06, tbh.... he "only" averaged 31.4 PPG compared to Kirby's 35.4, but had a better FG%, TS%, and eFG%, averaged more assists per game, had a better offensive and defensive rating, put up more win shares, and his team was better than Kirby's....

LeBron was my MVP that year too. Cavs had a 50 win season too. However Kobe, Dirk and Billups were are all better choices than Nash.

I can't think of a worse MVP decision in history than 05-06. Fat, white sportswriters were all living vicariously through Nash. Funny how Nash nowadays is showing us he's a true nigga :lol

[RsxPiimp]

Nash is 39 playing on one leg pull your head outta your ass

[Koolaid_Man]

LeBron was my MVP that year too. Cavs had a 50 win season too. However Kobe, Dirk and Billups were are all better choices than Nash.

I can't think of a worse MVP decision in history than 05-06. Fat, white sportswriters were all living vicariously through Nash. Funny how Nash nowadays is showing us he's a true nigga :lol

:lol Nash winning was nothing but a great white hope vote....but fact is Lebron played in a weaker conference with weaker defenders.

[Koolaid_Man]

Do you not see how the point of accolades would deteriorate, then? Instead of it rewarding skill, it rewards popularity. What percent of fans, do you believe, actually appreciate and understand defense?

Isn't MVP a popularity award amongst Media voters?

[Buddy Mignon]

I got him for 3.

[Koolaid_Man]

You miscalculated...you should have him down for 4...

Kobe should have won MVPS in these seasons:

2002-2003 - Avg 30 ppg 6.9 rebs 5 assts

2005-2006 - Avg 35 ppg 5rebs 4 assts

2006-2007 - Avg 31 ppg 6 rebs 4 assts

2007-2008 - Avg 28 ppg 5 rebs 5 assts - Only Time he won MVP

[RsxPiimp]

I'm fine with 3. He definitely got robbed in 05-06 and a strong case in 02-03

[Buddy Mignon]

You miscalculated...you should have him down for 4...

Kobe should have won MVPS in these seasons:

2002-2003 - Avg 30 ppg 6.9 rebs 5 assts

2005-2006 - Avg 35 ppg 5rebs 4 assts

2006-2007 - Avg 31 ppg 6 rebs 4 assts

2007-2008 - Avg 28 ppg 5 rebs 5 assts - Only Time he won MVP


The one he actually won was a pity fuck. You could make a case for other years but the year he won it the media gave in. He's lucky to have one. Fucking that white girl is unforgivable in America.

[Clipper Nation]

I'm pretty sure lebrons team is bettter than kobe in 05-06 lebron also played in a shitty eastern conference. Kwame brown smush and luke walton these were your los angeles lakers:lol
Yes, because Donyell Marshall, Larry Hughes, and Flip Murray were real superstars :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

Even this past season shows what a complete joke the award is...

Kobe averaged 27 pts, 6 Rbs 6.0 Assists
Lebron averaged 26. pts, 8.0 Rbs and 7 assists

Kobe's numbers are right there with LeBron's, and yet he finished behind Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony and CP3. MVP voters are saying that CP3 avg 17. pts, 9 assists and 3 rebounds per game had a better year than Kobe Bryant..the Lakers as team had they're worst season ever and the Clippers had their best season ever and it still resulted in only a first round exit for the Clippers...and yet I'm supposed to take MVP voting seriously?

nigga please....Like I said...might as well let the fans vote

[Clipper Nation]

When your $120 million preseason favorite plays like absolute shit and your team has a losing record when you score at least 30 points, you're not getting MVP, tbh...

[Koolaid_Man]

When your $120 million preseason favorite plays like absolute shit and your team has a losing record when you score at least 30 points, you're not getting MVP, tbh...

poor rebuttal..see my OP. and explain

[Buddy Mignon]

Even this past season shows what a complete joke the award is...

Kobe averaged 27 pts, 6 Rbs 6.0 Assists
Lebron averaged 26. pts, 8.0 Rbs and 7 assists

Kobe's numbers are right there with LeBron's, and yet he finished behind Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony and CP3. MVP voters are saying that CP3 avg 17. pts, 9 assists and 3 rebounds per game had a better year than Kobe Bryant..the Lakers as team had they're worst season ever and the Clippers had their best season ever and it still resulted in only a first round exit for the Clippers...and yet I'm supposed to take MVP voting seriously?

nigga please....Like I said...might as well let the fans vote

Let it go, Kool. It was the one thing the media could use to protect Jordan from Kobe's wrath.

[Koolaid_Man]

Let it go, Kool. It was the one thing the media could use to protect Jordan from Kobe's wrath.

You right

[ElNono]

"If your posts wouldn't suck, people would read them" thread

[Koolaid_Man]

"If your posts wouldn't suck, people would read them" thread

Speaking of sucking....what's the latest on Yimmy's divorce

[ElNono]

lol didn't read

[Koolaid_Man]

Nash 2004 mvp 15.5 pts 11.5 ast 3.3 rebounds 1.0 stl
Kobe 27.6 pts 5.9 rebounds 6.0 ast 1.3 stls

Nash 2005 mvp 18.8 pts 10.5 ast 4.2 rebounds 0.8 stl
Kobe 35.4pts 5.3 rebounds 4.5 ast 1.8 stl

Dirk 2006 mvp 24.6 pts 8.9 rebounds( averages 8.5 career) 3.4 ast 0.7 stl
Kobe 31.6 pts 5.7 rebounds 5.4 ast 1.4 stl

[RsxPiimp]

Yes, because Donyell Marshall, Larry Hughes, and Flip Murray were real superstars :lol

Hey numbnuts ilgauskas was an all star :lol

[Spursfan092120]

Jeremy Lin....Yao Ming....those are the reasons we don't let fans decide the MVP...quit being stupid. Fans can only vote on what they can see. National media outlets only cover the teams they want to for most of the year. It'd be a Laker, Heat, or Knick every year.

[Katherine Robinson]

Isn't MVP a popularity award amongst Media voters?

Yes, but the media is full of basketball idiots while fans are, in general, simply idiots.