Michael Jordan Was Larry Bird's Slave

[Koolaid_Man]

I know I been going HAM on Tammy lately...but I'm gonna ease up and turn my attention to the Jordan Jockers...MJ never won during the Bird, Magic, and Isaiah era's because he simply wasn't good enough...

this is part 1 in a series I will dedicate to breaking down the MJ myth created by Jordan Jockers....this is the first time I sanction a white man owning a black man.... no spin, no bullshit, no drama just real talk....this is the same guy that says he'd pick Kobe over Lebron even today...

Bow down before the great Larry Bird....


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[gaKNOW!blee]

"He's one guy in the league that I think he'll probably be better than all of us when it's all said and done." -- Larry Bird

[MeloHype]

Didn't Jordan drop 63 on him?

[Katherine Robinson]

Michael Jordan did not have a team or coach of championship caliber, Kevin. It is a team effort and he was not given the chance to prove himself until Pippen and Jackson came. That is not to say he would not have more trouble with the likes of Bird & crew and Showtime than the Jazz, Knicks or Suns.

However, he did establish a valid argument by decimating the Pistons.

[ElNono]

Kool trying to talk basketball... smh... dude needs to stick to Kobe knobslobbing and the latest fashion trends, tbh

[ambchang]

Kobe is Nash's slave.

[Spur-Addict]

Didn't Jordan drop 63 on him?

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[Buddy Mignon]

Michael Jordan did not have a team or coach of championship caliber, Kevin. It is a team effort and he was not given the chance to prove himself until Pippen and Jackson came. That is not to say he would not have more trouble with the likes of Bird & crew and Showtime than the Jazz, Knicks or Suns.

However, he did establish a valid argument by decimating the Pistons.

Yeah... but the GOAT should make his teammates better. GOAT my black ass. Kobe shits on Jordan everyday of the week.

[lefty]

Didn't Jordan drop 63 on him?
Yes

And Kobe never dropped 63 in a playoff game

[Buddy Mignon]

Yes

And Kobe never dropped 63 in a playoff game

He lost that game and the series.

[Pelicans78]

This is getting sad.

[Koolaid_Man]

Yes

And Kobe never dropped 63 in a playoff game

but what he did do was beat the best in his prime for NBA titles....MJ never did that....

[Koolaid_Man]

He lost that game and the series.


Yes he did..He couldn't fuck with Larry Bird *aka* L-Boogie

[Koolaid_Man]

Kobe is Nash's slave.

to the tune of 5 >0

[Koolaid_Man]

Michael Jordan did not have a team or coach of championship caliber, Kevin. It is a team effort and he was not given the chance to prove himself until Pippen and Jackson came. That is not to say he would not have more trouble with the likes of Bird & crew and Showtime than the Jazz, Knicks or Suns.

However, he did establish a valid argument by decimating the Pistons.

Making excuses for the dude?

[LkrFan]

Yes

And Kobe never dropped 63 in a playoff game
Has TD ever even done that in RS?

[lefty]

but what he did do was beat the best in his prime for NBA titles....MJ never did that....
You meant Shaq

[Buddy Mignon]

Has TD ever even done that in RS?

You kidding. Nigga can't even make a layup when it matters.

[lefty]

Has TD ever even done that in RS?
No but he doesnt think he is better than MJ

[lefty]

"He's one guy in the league that I think he'll probably be better than all of us when it's all said and done." -- Larry Bird
http://d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net/images/stash-1-507dee67cc8d2.gif

[Spursfan092120]

This is Kool's attempt to get back at the Michael Jordan troll for sending his boy Lakersarethebesteva into meltdown mode....that's allPERIOD

[Koolaid_Man]

Has TD ever even done that in RS?

Tammy scored 53 only once in his career in 2001..his highest one time mark...contrast that with Kobe's top performaces:

Jan 22, 2006 -Kobe's Line: 81 PTS, 6 REB, 2 AST, 2 STL. Shooting: 28-46 FG, 7-13 3-PT, 18-20 FT

Mar 16, 2007- Kobe's Line: 65 PTS, 7 REB, 3 AST, 3 STL. Shooting: 23-39 FG, 8-12 3-PT, 11-12 FT

May 13, 2001 - Kobe's Line: 48 PTS, 16 REB, 3 AST, 2 STL. Shooting: 15-29 FG, 1-1 3-PT, 17-19 FT

March 28, 2003 - Kobe's Line: 55 PTS, 5 REB, 3 AST, 3 STL. Shooting: 15-29 FG, 9-13 3-PT, 16-18 FT

December 20, 2005 - Kobe's Line: 62 PTS, 8 REB, 0 AST, 3 STL. Shooting: 18-31 FG, 4-10 3-PT, 22-25 FT

Kobe's Average Stats In These Five Games: 62.2 PTS, 8.4 REB, 2.2 APG, 2.6 SPG, 56.9% FG (99-174). Lakers record: 5-0.

[MeloHype]

You kidding. Nigga can't even make a layup when it matters.
Neither can achilles :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

so what we do know is that Kobe has scored in the 40's, 50's, 60s', 70's and 80's....might as well gone say he's scored in the 90's and give him a 100 point game since scoring 82 points in today's game is equivalent to scoring 100 back in Wilt's day....

[Michael Jordan.]

Dear God, look at all the massive anal hemoraging I have caused.

[lefty]

Tammy scored 53 only once in his career in 2001..his highest one time mark...contrast that with Kobe's top performaces:

Jan 22, 2006 -Kobe's Line: 81 PTS, 6 REB, 2 AST, 2 STL. Shooting: 28-46 FG, 7-13 3-PT, 18-20 FT

Mar 16, 2007- Kobe's Line: 65 PTS, 7 REB, 3 AST, 3 STL. Shooting: 23-39 FG, 8-12 3-PT, 11-12 FT

May 13, 2001 - Kobe's Line: 48 PTS, 16 REB, 3 AST, 2 STL. Shooting: 15-29 FG, 1-1 3-PT, 17-19 FT

March 28, 2003 - Kobe's Line: 55 PTS, 5 REB, 3 AST, 3 STL. Shooting: 15-29 FG, 9-13 3-PT, 16-18 FT

December 20, 2005 - Kobe's Line: 62 PTS, 8 REB, 0 AST, 3 STL. Shooting: 18-31 FG, 4-10 3-PT, 22-25 FT

Kobe's Average Stats In These Five Games: 62.2 PTS, 8.4 REB, 2.2 APG, 2.6 SPG, 56.9% FG (99-174). Lakers record: 5-0.
mmmm no 63 pt playoff game like MJ

[spurraider21]

Kool trying to talk basketball

bless his little heart

[Koolaid_Man]

Neither can achilles :lol

the bigger question is has any in the history of the game scored 2 points after tearing their Achilles...answer = Yes..

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[Spursfan092120]

Dear God, look at all the massive anal hemoraging I have caused.
took Kool off his game.

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[spurraider21]

Tammy scored 53 only once in his career in 2001..his highest one time mark...contrast that with Kobe's top performaces:

Jan 22, 2006 -Kobe's Line: 81 PTS, 6 REB, 2 AST, 2 STL. Shooting: 28-46 FG, 7-13 3-PT, 18-20 FT

Mar 16, 2007- Kobe's Line: 65 PTS, 7 REB, 3 AST, 3 STL. Shooting: 23-39 FG, 8-12 3-PT, 11-12 FT

May 13, 2001 - Kobe's Line: 48 PTS, 16 REB, 3 AST, 2 STL. Shooting: 15-29 FG, 1-1 3-PT, 17-19 FT

March 28, 2003 - Kobe's Line: 55 PTS, 5 REB, 3 AST, 3 STL. Shooting: 15-29 FG, 9-13 3-PT, 16-18 FT

December 20, 2005 - Kobe's Line: 62 PTS, 8 REB, 0 AST, 3 STL. Shooting: 18-31 FG, 4-10 3-PT, 22-25 FT

Kobe's Average Stats In These Five Games: 62.2 PTS, 8.4 REB, 2.2 APG, 2.6 SPG, 56.9% FG (99-174). Lakers record: 5-0.

enough FTA to feed a family of 5

[Koolaid_Man]

please I'm in rare form..if anything he's spinning outta control from my OP....Bird owned MJ plain and simple

[spurraider21]

the bigger question is has any in the history of the game scored 2 points after tearing their Achilles...answer = Yes..

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:lmao falls on a non contact injury and gets free throws. perfect summary of the game

[lefty]

:lmao falls on a non contact injury and gets free throws. perfect summary of the game
http://i.imgur.com/qb4Bish.gif

[MeloHype]

Westbrook played with a torn meniscus
Rondo played with a torn ACL
LeBron played with a cramp
Jordan played with the flu.

[Michael Jordan.]

please I'm in rare form..if anything he's spinning outta control from my OP....Bird owned MJ plain and simple

LOL Pming Kori asking who I am.

[lefty]

Westbrook played with a torn meniscus
Rondo played with a torn ACL
LeBron played with a cramp
Jordan played with the flu.
And Kobe always plays with saltiness

[lefty]

LOL Pming Kori asking who I am.
:lmao

[Spursfan092120]

please I'm in rare form..if anything he's spinning outta control from my OP....Bird owned MJ plain and simple
When someone has to tell everyone they're owning, it means they're being owned. Wake up, Kool...you're headed into meltdown mode...just like ya boy.

[Spursfan092120]

LOL Pming Kori asking who I am.
:lmao

And there's the meltdown

[LkrFan]

You kidding. Nigga can't even make a layup when it matters.
:lol - I put that epic failure in my signature.

[LkrFan]

No but he doesnt think he is better than MJ

Apparently TD doesn't think about women either. :lol

[lefty]

Apparently TD doesn't think about women either. :lol
At least he doesnt have to rapERIOD

:lol Kobe
:lol begged
:lol rejected

[LkrFan]

Tammy scored 53 only once in his career in 2001..his highest one time mark...contrast that with Kobe's top performaces:

Jan 22, 2006 -Kobe's Line: 81 PTS, 6 REB, 2 AST, 2 STL. Shooting: 28-46 FG, 7-13 3-PT, 18-20 FT

Mar 16, 2007- Kobe's Line: 65 PTS, 7 REB, 3 AST, 3 STL. Shooting: 23-39 FG, 8-12 3-PT, 11-12 FT

May 13, 2001 - Kobe's Line: 48 PTS, 16 REB, 3 AST, 2 STL. Shooting: 15-29 FG, 1-1 3-PT, 17-19 FT

March 28, 2003 - Kobe's Line: 55 PTS, 5 REB, 3 AST, 3 STL. Shooting: 15-29 FG, 9-13 3-PT, 16-18 FT

December 20, 2005 - Kobe's Line: 62 PTS, 8 REB, 0 AST, 3 STL. Shooting: 18-31 FG, 4-10 3-PT, 22-25 FT

Kobe's Average Stats In These Five Games: 62.2 PTS, 8.4 REB, 2.2 APG, 2.6 SPG, 56.9% FG (99-174). Lakers record: 5-0.
Tammy? :rollin :lmao :rollin

Not even Spur Fan can :downspin: ^ this shit. Sick statline. Real talk. :toast

[Spursfan092120]

:lol - I put that epic failure in my signature.
Yeah..because we weren't aware of that. You should put this in your sig next to it.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p480x480/399871_642964829052445_628168608_n.jpg

[Spursfan092120]

Tammy? :rollin :lmao :rollin

Not even Spur Fan can :downspin: ^ this shit. Sick statline. Real talk. :toast
Here's the spin. This thread was about Jordan and Bird. When he realized he was in over his head, he decided to switch to Kobe v. Duncan on scoring only. Didn't even cover defense, where Kobe couldn't touch Tim.

[LkrFan]

At least he doesnt have to rapERIOD

:lol Kobe
:lol begged
:lol rejected
That's because he is most likely to be on the receiving end. :lol

[lefty]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BP-y0_4CcAACQ_v.jpg:large

[LkrFan]

Here's the spin. This thread was about Jordan and Bird. When he realized he was in over his head, he decided to switch to Kobe v. Duncan on scoring only. Didn't even cover defense, where Kobe couldn't touch Tim.

Woman, put your apron on, get your ass in the kitchen, and go make your man a sammich. You got some nerve. Every thread in the NBA Forum is somehow made to be Laker-related. GTF:lol with that BS. SMH

[Spursfan092120]

Woman, put your apron on, get your ass in the kitchen, and go make your man a sammich. You got some nerve. Every thread in the NBA Forum is somehow made to be Laker-related. GTF:lol with that BS. SMH
:lmao of course it is...because all the Laker fans have nothing else to do but start shit about the Spurs, because they don't have a title to talk about. Or even getting past the first round. Or even WINNING A GAME in the first round. You've got nothing, son...nothing. And you ain't gonna BE nothing for a long time. Swallow your pride, take your fucking tussin, go to sleep, and wake up when you're team is worth a shit again.

[Koolaid_Man]

LOL Pming Kori asking who I am.

^ yeah that'll be the day..stop maligning that woman's character...not only do I not need to know who you are but you can suck my dick along with your fox news style of open lies :lol

[Michael Jordan.]

^ yeah that'll be the day..stop maligning that woman's character...not only do I not need to know who you are but you can suck my dick along with your fox news style of open lies :lol

Don't deny it. Even if you haven't, you were. With that twinkle in your eye, I can see the bitch in you.

[LkrFan]

:lmao of course it is...because all the Laker fans have nothing else to do but start shit about the Spurs, because they don't have a title to talk about. Or even getting past the first round. Or even WINNING A GAME in the first round. You've got nothing, son...nothing. And you ain't gonna BE nothing for a long time. Swallow your pride, take your fucking tussin, go to sleep, and wake up when you're team is worth a shit again.

You really want to talk ring smack? :lol

Sure the Lakers are down for now. How long will that last? You guys are on a 6 year drought. The thing about it is when TD retires, you will your chance to ever come close to ringing again. For a loooooonnnnnggggg time. The Lakers? Not so much. :)

[Spursfan092120]

You really want to talk ring smack? :lol

Sure the Lakers are down for now. How long will that last? You guys are on a 6 year drought. The thing about it is when TD retires, you will your chance to ever come close to ringing again. For a loooooonnnnnggggg time. The Lakers? Not so much. :)
I don't speak Laker...can you tell me exactly what this means? And where in my post did I say anything about rings? I said winning. We put you over our knee in the first round this year, and with the new "stilt" in LA (Kobe)(or should I say, crutch), no D12, Pau Gasoft being your only big, and nobody wanting to play with Kobe, you ain't got nothing...so like I said...go to sleep, son...and wake up when your team is worth a shit again.

[MeloHype]

Nobody wants to play in LA:lol

[LkrFan]

:lmao of course it is...because all the Laker fans have nothing else to do but start shit about the Spurs, because they don't have a title to talk about. Or even getting past the first round. Or even WINNING A GAME in the first round. You've got nothing, son...nothing. And you ain't gonna BE nothing for a long time. Swallow your pride, take your fucking tussin, go to sleep, and wake up when you're team is worth a shit again.
Sounds like ring smack to me. Get your ass back in the kitchen. :lol

[Spursfan092120]

Sounds like ring smack to me. Get your ass back in the kitchen. :lol
Take your tussin...Go to sleep

[whitemamba]

Westbrook played with a torn meniscus
Rondo played with a torn ACL
LeBron played with a cramp
Jordan played with the flu.

Was he bloated too? Was cranberry juice and 2 midol the remedy?

[Spursfan092120]

http://i44.tinypic.com/fwhcnr.jpg

[ezau]

Sounds like ring smack to me. Get your ass back in the kitchen. :lol

I smell skunk

[ambchang]

to the tune of 5 >0

As in Jordan's 6 to Bird's 3?

Kobe never got past the first round during Nash's prime.

Deal with it.

[ambchang]

You really want to talk ring smack? :lol

Sure the Lakers are down for now. How long will that last? You guys are on a 6 year drought. The thing about it is when TD retires, you will your chance to ever come close to ringing again. For a loooooonnnnnggggg time. The Lakers? Not so much. :)

True. Duncan is integral to winning rings. Kobe isn't.

[ambchang]

Anyways. Back to topic.

http://www.nba.com/history/jordan63_moments.html


I didn't think anyone was capable of doing what Michael has done to us, he is the most exciting, awesome player in the game today. I think it's just God disguised as Michael Jordan.

[AchillesHeel]

Didn't Jordan drop 63 on him?

And didn't the Bulls still lose and get swept? :lol

I'm a huge MJ fan and MJ is my 2nd fav all-time player after Timmy but MJ couldn't win against prime Celtics and Pistons, he only won when those teams became irrelevant and his competition were the Knicks and shit, though he's still the GOAT he never really beat a top 10 all-time player in their primes, Magic was the best player he faced in the playoffs(who he beat).

Bird and the 80s Celtics are very underrated nowadays, people act like Bird was an era specific player who wouldn't succeed in today's league and shit, truth is he was the best player/2nd best player in the league while MJ and Magic were both younger.

[Pelicans78]

And didn't the Bulls still lose and get swept? :lol

I'm a huge MJ fan and MJ is my 2nd fav all-time player after Timmy but MJ couldn't win against prime Celtics and Pistons, he only won when those teams became irrelevant and his competition were the Knicks and shit, though he's still the GOAT he never really beat a top 10 all-time player in their primes, Magic was the best player he faced in the playoffs(who he beat).

Bird and the 80s Celtics are very underrated nowadays, people act like Bird was an era specific player who wouldn't succeed in today's league and shit, truth is he was the best player/2nd best player in the league while MJ and Magic were both younger.

He swept the Pistons in the ECFs a year after they won the title and the year before took them to 7 games. He beat a very good Portland team with Drexler in his prime and the year after beat Barkley who had his best season ever. Later on he swept Shaq and Penny in the ECFs, defeated a Hall of Famer in Malone twice in the Finals as well. How many Dream Teamers did he beat in the playoffs/Finals?

[ambchang]

And didn't the Bulls still lose and get swept? :lol

I'm a huge MJ fan and MJ is my 2nd fav all-time player after Timmy but MJ couldn't win against prime Celtics and Pistons, he only won when those teams became irrelevant and his competition were the Knicks and shit, though he's still the GOAT he never really beat a top 10 all-time player in their primes, Magic was the best player he faced in the playoffs(who he beat).

Bird and the 80s Celtics are very underrated nowadays, people act like Bird was an era specific player who wouldn't succeed in today's league and shit, truth is he was the best player/2nd best player in the league while MJ and Magic were both younger.

Jordan beat magic while magic was still an MVP candidate.

Jordan beat Thomas a year after the pistons won the championship.

They were in their primes while being beat by Jordan. Only difference was that their teams weren't. Which goes back to the fact that teams win championships. Not individuals.

[AchillesHeel]

He swept the Pistons in the ECFs a year after they won the title and the year before took them to 7 games. He beat a very good Portland team with Drexler in his prime and the year after beat Barkley who had his best season ever. Later on he swept Shaq and Penny in the ECFs, defeated a Hall of Famer in Malone twice in the Finals as well. How many Dream Teamers did he beat in the playoffs/Finals?

Hey man, I love MJ and im not taking anything away from him personally, he's still the GOAT. Just saying. Shaq also beat MJ in the POs when he was in his 3rd season.

[Thread]

True. Duncan is integral to winning rings.

& losing rings.

[Leetonidas]

The GOAT has really ruffled some feathers here. Not only is he trying to claim a player than readily admits Jordan is the GOAT is better than Jordan he's posting random Kobe ball hogging games where he scored a lot of points. Newsflash tard, none of that shit was in the playoffs :lmao

[ambchang]

& losing rings.

4/5 > 2/4

[ambchang]

Hey man, I love MJ and im not taking anything away from him personally, he's still the GOAT. Just saying. Shaq also beat MJ in the POs when he was in his 3rd season.

The year where Jordan came back for like 17 games after a 2.5 absence?

[Clipper Nation]

& losing rings.
& skunking you, and running you off until you had a 6 to lodge...

[AchillesHeel]

The year where Jordan came back for like 17 games after a 2.5 absence?


I don't care about the excuses, he came back before playoffs began and was in shape, just couldn't win without Rodman's rebounding. When they had Rodman next year they spanked Orlando.

[cesare borgia]

Here's a great argument that Bird has a case to be better than Jordan


https://www.2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=319893




more on post 2,3 and 5


Larry Bird vs Micheal Jordan who was the best ever? I think these were the two best players to ever play, I believe Bird was better here is a few reasons why.




Bird videos
Larry Bird A Basketball Legend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnqjt...eature=related
Larry Bird - ESPN SportsCentury
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZFnDzP8-hI
Magic & Bird: A Courtship Of Rivals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1i1u...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULvo7__wwBU
Larry bird best ever
highlight videos




here are some highlight videos of some of there duels Bird vs Jordan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zk1vWGxEXo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEaNwJPssEs
http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/200...rsus-bird.html
Larry Bird schools Michael Jordan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svHk8...eature=related


I have posted dozens of both of there games in full on this site here
https://www.2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286965
https://www.2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286845






Stat comparison
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...jordami01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../birdla01.html


The only stat Jordan has advantage is in scoring [and shots] Jordan 30.1, Bird 24.3 [more on this latter]
steals Jordan 2.3 vs. Bird 1.7


Bird leads in rebounds Bird 10 vs. Jordan 6.2
assists Bird 6.3 vs Jordan 5.3
true fg%ft%3pt%
blk even at .8




"Bird is the only player in NBA history to have career averages of at least 20 PPG, 10 RPG and 5 APG. His versatility has been matched by few in NBA history, currently ranking fifth in triple-doubles with 59. He was the first player to make the 50-40-90 club and he did it twice (making at least 50 percent of his field goals, 40 percent of his three-point attempts and 90 percent of his free throws).*
Last and perhaps most impressive was how Bird would often tell his opponents how he was going to beat them (even the exact position where he would make a game-winning shot) and then go on to follow through exactly like he planned."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8...reater/page/11




"The one thing you have to avoid when you talk about Bird is statistics," said the late Celtics legend Red Auerbach. "It's his presence, the total way he commands attention on the court that counts."




As kevin mcheal said both bird and magic could go 7 for 12 in a game score 20 points and be by far the best player on the floor because they make those around them better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1i1uqu0tE4




1v1-
Bird leads the all time match-up 23-11 including 6-0 in playoffs sweeping Jordan out in back to back years.


But it's interesting to look back at the Bird/Jordan duels of the 1986-87 and 1987-88 campaigns. Those were Bird's last two healthy years, and they were also the seasons that Jordan was at his most statistically dominant (37/5/4 in '87 and 35/5/5 in '88).


In 1986-87, Bird averaged 34 PPG (on 56 percent shooting) against the Bulls; Jordan averaged 29 PPG (on 42 percent shooting) against the Celtics. Bird outscored Jordan in four out of six games, and two of those times it wasn't even close: On March 27, 1987 Bird hit for 41 (17-29) compared to Jordan's 22 (9-23); on April 17, 1987 Bird netted 38 (17-29 again) and Jordan had only 17 (5-15).
http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/200...rsus-bird.html


n 1987-88, Bird averaged 34 PPG (on 59 percent shooting) against the Bulls (although he missed two of the games due to injury), while Jordan scorched the Celtics for 39 PPG (on 55 percent shooting), including one 50-point outburst. Bird outscored Jordan twice in the games they played against each other: 33 (14-21) to 26 (10-18) and 44 to 39 (as noted above). They had another great shootout on January 12, 1988: Jordan won the scoring war 42 (19-35) to 38 (18-31), but the Celtics won the game 104-97, despite the fact that they had to start Dirk Minniefield (who??) in place of the injured Dennis Johnson.


The point (no pun intended) of all this should be clear: When healthy, Bird could score with Jordan whenever he was inclined to do so. While many people just matter-of-factly declare Jordan as the GOAT, everyone should be aware that Larry Bird, healthy and in his prime, was as good as Jordan...even better in some areas (such as rebounding and passing).






what they meant to thee team winning


Doug Collins later said, "Do you know who's the biggest obstacle to us running? Michael Jordan, that's who. He won't let go of the ball."




division titles bird 10 Jordan 6
average team win a season Bird 57.7 Jordan 51.2 [53.4 with Chicago]
number of years leading team to best record in league Bird 6 Jordan 4
finals appearances Jordan 6 Bird 5
[Jordan played 2 more seasons]




Bird was considered great because of how he helped his team and made them better, birds first season in the nba he took the Celtics from 29-53 a year before to 61-21 best record in the league. Know he only averaged 21.3 points, 10.4 rebounds and 4.5 assists as a rookie, those are good numbers but not great and he caused that amount of change in the team.
Jordan avg 28.2 points 6.5 rebounds 5.9 assist his rookie year better numbers than bird yet the bulls won 27 wins to 38 wins with jordan,nice turn around but not the kind of impact bird has on teammates.


when they left in prime as injury or retirement.


the Bulls only slipped 2 games: from 57-25 with Jordan in 1993 to 55-27 in 1994. and lost game 7 of semifinals
http://airjudden2.tripod.com/jordan/19941995.htm


Celts with bird gone negative 15 games and swept in first round.
chart of teams differences in winning when star player leaves
http://airjudden2.tripod.com/jordan/19941995.htm




so why is it the best player ever supposedly Jordan seems to make very little impact on his team win%?


Larry bird made a big impact on his team,Jordan did not its painfully clear in this article.
The answer is obvious, they just don't want to admit it.* Jordan was a great individual player, but he was not as valuable of a TEAM player as those peers of his in the elite category of basketball players.
http://airjudden2.tripod.com/jordan/19941995.htm


bird was all about making those around him better and his teammates praise him for making them better
http://www.amazon.com/NBA-Basketball.../dp/B0002V7U1Y


"And I am convinced," Woolf said, "that if he scored 99 points in a game and needed a basket to break Wilt Chamberlain's record and he was at the top of the key with five seconds left and headed for a dunk and he saw someone free under the basket, he would make the pass. That's Larry Bird."
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/feature...ird/index.html




Bird If you doubt his ability to improve a random group of players, look at what he did in college - he took a team of no-names to a near perfect season. His first year in the NBA, without McHale and Parish, he turned the Celtics from a 29-win joke to the best record in basketball. When he missed 1989, they fell apart without him.
http://airjudden2.tripod.com/jordan/rank.htm




Jordan was the opposite
http://airjudden2.tripod.com/jordan/supportingcast.htm


All of jordans teammates had there best years without jordan, pipen,grant armstrong etc all improved when jordan was gone when he retired in his prime. Grant and armstrong were all stars pipen had best year the team shot better fg%.


This selfishness resulted in players standing around and watching Jordan, or Jordan not passing to the open guy with the best shot. Without Jordan, the teams flowed into their offense and found the open man. That is why they consistently shoot better when Jordan doesn't play. Jordan simply does not make his teammates better.




In many other ways, however, Larry Legend was not like Mike at all.*
He didn’t have his own private dressing room for home games separating him from teammates and which made you question the importance he placed on team camaraderie. He didn’t punch a teammate in the face or relentlessly goad them in practice. He also most certainly did not have teammates who felt enough animosity towards him that they wanted to leave town.*
As the team leaders, Jordan ruled the roost with fear and some analysts believe he was a bad teammate, while Bird encouraged healthy synergy and chemistry amongst his teammates.**
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/8...reater/page/11

[cesare borgia]

And the rest of it.


what others said about Larry Bird


bird was every bit as good as jordan according to jordan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tliT...eature=related


"Larry was the only player in the league that I feared and he was the smartest player I ever played against," Johnson said. "I always enjoyed competing against him because he brought out the best in me."
magic Johnson


Isiah Thomas said if you put magic himself and Jordan in a room together, bird would be the one to walk out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZFnDzP8-hI


James worthy said it was much easier to guard Jordan than bird
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZFnDzP8-hI


Magic Johnson called bird the greatest basketball player ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZFnDzP8-hI




"When I played, Larry Bird was the only one I feared. A lot of black guys always ask me, 'Did Larry Bird really play that good?' I said Larry Bird is so good it's frightening."
-- Magic Johnson about Larry Bird on ESPN's SportsCentury show (Friday, June 25, 7:30 p.m. and 10:30 p.m. ET).




"Larry Joe Bird is the greatest basketball player who ever lived.”
Argument: Jordan or Bird? DREW LAMAR JUNE 14, 2012
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...jordan-or-bird




Coach George Karl of the Cleveland Cavaliers told ray Didinger of the Knight News Service: “Bird is so far ahead of everyone else, he’s in a different century. I’ve never seen anyone better. “Given the choice between Kareem (Jabbar) and Bird, I’d take Bird. He rebounds like a center, passes like a guard, shoots lights out from 20 feet. Besides all that, he’s a killer. Hell do anything to win.”


Before Bird I used to vacillate," says Bob Cousy, now a Celtics broadcaster. "The question didn't seem relevant. But Bird came along with all the skills, all the things a basketball player has to do. I think he's the greatest."


Milwaukee Bucks coach Don Nelson, "He's the best player ever to play the game."


Don nelson when asked if dirk nowitzki could be as good as Larry bird or even better as good as jordan he said "were I come from Bird is as good as it gets"




"I've always considered Oscar Robertson to be the best player in the game," says John Wooden. "Now I'm not so sure that Larry Bird isn't."


Even Laker general manager Jerry West, who refuses to compare players from different eras, says of Bird, "He is as nearly perfect as you can get in almost every phase of basketball."


He is the best player ever, “Milwaukee Coach Don Nelson says. “The Celtics play on a different level. Bird? Well, he’s on his own level.”




Earlier, Celtics president Red Auerbach, the winningest NBA coach in history with more than 1,000 victories before he retired to the front office, called Bird “the greatest player ever to play the game.”


Auerbach noted that he had coached Russell and many other basketball Hall of Famers before the arrival of Bird in 1979, and said: “For the first time in my life I’m going to say this. Larry Bird is the greatest ever to play the game.”






After game 2 of the nba finals houston vs boston hakeem olajuwan said
Bird's performance left Olajuwon awestruck. "He's the greatest player I've ever seen," the Houston center said after the game.
http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19851986.html






Larry Bird is the best basketball player ever. There was nothing he couldn't do.
nov 28 2010 Nicholas gross
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...istory/page/11




red auerbach who coached and watched the greatest players in history such as bill russel said larry bird is the greatest basketball player ever, as well as K.C jones Bob cousy and many others.
CNN.comHYPERLINK "http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/1998/bird/flashbacks/1988flash.html"". Sportsillustrated.cnn.com. 1979-04-06. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/bas...1988flash.html.






June 9, 1986


With his incineration of the Houston Rockets in the sixth and final game of the NBA finals, Larry Bird added another large page to the resume that he’s amassing as the best all- around player in basketball history.


The 80's Larry Bird GOAT Conversation


June 4, 1985


Larry Bird, the Boston Celtics’ 6’9” forward is being called ‘the greatest basketball player” by a lot of qualified observers…




Red Auerbach, who’s built all the Celtics’ championship teams, describes Bird as “the most intense player to wear the Celtics uniform.”


March 3, 1986


"As Nearly Perfect As You Can Get"


In a glorious seventh season, Larry Bird of the Boston Celtics is demonstrating that he may be the NBA's best player of all time. Owing to the extraordinary importance of the giant pivotman in the game, it is probably impossible to declare that, in his seventh season, the 6' 9", 220-pound Bird, a forward, is greater than Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar—that is, the greatest player of all time. Or maybe it isn't.




April 1, 1986


The NBA’s best all around player—the skillful passer, the determined rebounder and the tenacious defender—now is a spectacular shooter with both hands and from all over the court…


In his seventh NBA season, Bird is in the top 10 in five of the league’s major categories. He leads the NBA in foul shooting percentage (.897), is fourth in scoring (26.4 per game average), third in three- point percentage (.433), ninth in steals (2.07 average) and seventh in rebound average (10.0).


May 25, 1986


Bird is the best all- around player ever. How many guys have a superior talent and a tremendous work ethic? He’s one millionaire athlete who is underpaid.


May 26, 1986


One week of attentive Bird watching allows enough time to get an ample sampling of the diverse abilities and peculiar habits that, in the view of many, have made Boston Celtic forward Larry Bird, the National Basketball Association’s best player, and arguably, the best ever…




June 9, 1986


With his incineration of the Houston Rockets in the sixth and final game of the NBA finals, Larry Bird added another large page to the resume that he’s amassing as the best all- around player in basketball history.


Nov. 13, 1986


"Question on Bird: Is he the best ever?"


There have been other great shooters, other great rebounders, other great passes, but none has ever put all those skills together than Bird has.




Dec. 27, 1986


Maybe Bird is the best ever. And maybe Jordan is the most spectacular player today. But it’s time to give Magic his due.




Feb. 3, 1988




Teammate Dennis johnson in 86 said
"He is undoubtedly, in my mind at least, the best basketball player playing the game today," Dennis Johnson said afterward.
http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19851986.html




“I saw him take on five guys by himself,” said Houston’s Jim Petersen. “At times he doesn’t seem to need teammates.”
http://aol.sportingnews.com/125/stor...-while-you-can


Through his whole career, he was a player who made all the players around him better, and he had some All-Star players playing with him that were good without him, but he made them even better. I always said he was a leader among leaders.
Coach Bill Fitch
http://www.nba.com/features/birds_coaches.html




"His approach to the game is almost unparalleled,' said Guokas, who voted for Bird. "He will cut your heart out to win. He has the ability to handle the ball, shoot and rebound. He can pass and make everybody on the floor better.'


Bob Cousy, one of the league's all-time great guards, played with Russell, yet he voted for Bird as best player. "He shows you something different all night,' Cousy said. "He simply doesn't have any weaknesses."


"Larry's the greatest total player I've ever seen in the game of basketball," said Celtics coach K.C. Jones, who played with Russell and against Chamberlain.
Associated Press
8 February 1986


Detroit Piston Coach Chuck Daly, on Larry Bird: "He's the best passer in the league. He finds the open man better than anybody else. He is the greatest passer of all time." Note: On a recent telecast, as Bird was preparing to throw the ball in, CBS analyst Doug Collins said, "Larry Bird is the greatest inbounds passer I have ever seen."
Celtics' Bird plays in a world of his own
Robert Sansevere
29 May 1986
Star-Tribune


"Yeah, Larry's just like a chess player," Houston Rockets General Manager Ray Patterson says. "I don't know of a better way to describe him. He's like a chess player who plays 40 boards. He knows where all the moves are. He's a thing of beauty to watch. He puts on a clinic. Sometimes, it's almost like he's out there playing with nine guys from the YMCA. "He creates things on the court even he doesn't know exist," Patterson says. "He's like a great artist or composer, and he's got the heart of a lion."


"No one can do the things Larry can do. I think he's the best ever. He practices like it's the seventh game of the championship series. When Larry gets hot, a little voice starts directing him and he's on radar," says Fitch, who coached Bird in his first four years with the Celtics.
Celtics' Bird: The master of the court
JOHN McCLAIN
Staff
1 June 1986
Houston




"There is no question he is the greatest player today," said Hubie Brown He has stature of almost awe, not only from coaches and fans, but from his peers."
Larry Bird: Is he the best ever?
New York Times November 1986

[cesare borgia]

Kool aid title is somewhat right if, you go by one on one matchup.

[ambchang]

I don't care about the excuses, he came back before playoffs began and was in shape, just couldn't win without Rodman's rebounding. When they had Rodman next year they spanked Orlando.

The point was, he was obviously not in shape.

It was the only year out of 11 straight years he did not lead the league in scoring.
His per minute scoring was the lowest in any one of his other seasons with the Bulls.
It was the only year out of 9 straight years he did not lead the league in win shares per 48 minutes
He had by far the year he had his lowest PER in any Bulls years.

[ambchang]

Kool aid title is somewhat right if, you go by one on one matchup.

That is cherry picking to the extreme.

Why pick only 86 to 88? They were not Bird's best years, as he won his three straight MVP years from 84 to 86. In fact, Bird played 4 out of 6 possible games in 87 to 88.

Let's look at all the numbers.

In 84 to 85, Jordan averaged 32.5 ppg, 7.2 reb and 5.5 assists vs. Bird, who had 23/6.2/2.8. And that was Bird's MVP season and Jordan's rookie season.
85 to 86, Jordan had 20/2/1 vs. 32/6/8. Jordan only played one game in the year where he broke his foot.
86 to 87, Jordan had 29.7/5.5/4.8, Bird had 33.8/7.8/7.5
87-88, Jordan had 39.3/4/7.5, Bird had 33.5/9/6.3
88-89, Jordan had 52/3/2 (and 9 steals), while Bird had 18/10/6. This is the year where Bird was really hampered by injuries, and was never the same since.
89-90, Jordan had 32/7.3/7.7, Bird 29.3/8.3/7.7
90-91, Jordan had 37.5/7/7.8, Bird 23/10.3/4.8
91-92, Jordan had 30/8/4.7, Bird 16/4.7/6.3

Overall, Jordan 33.5/6.1/5.8, Bird 26.9/7.7/5.8

Sure Bird was hampered by injuries in most of those games, but even when we look at the 3 years where both of the players were healthy, Jordan bettered Bird in 2 out of the 3 years, and that is taking into account that one of the year was Jordan's rookie year.

In terms of records, it's no secret Bird had McHale, Parish, DJ and Ainge, while Jordan had Oakley (good player), Dave Corzine and Orlando Woolridge. I mean, give me a break.

I have always thought that Bird was underrated, and still maintained so. Bird, in his three MVP years, was every bit as dominant as Jordan and Shaq was in their peaks, with all three more dominant than Lebron is now. That said, Jordan simply had a much longer peak due to luck (as in less injury issues).

In H2H during healthy years, I would say they were tied, with a slight advantage going to Jordan.

[Phillip]

Larry Bird gets underrated a lot in all time discussions.

Bird > Magic without question imo, and anyone who says Bird isnt top 5 all times is a moron. He is top 3 in my book, behind only MJ and Kareem.

[Spursfan092120]

Larry Bird gets underrated a lot in all time discussions.

Bird > Magic without question imo, and anyone who says Bird isnt top 5 all times is a moron. He is top 3 in my book, behind only MJ and Kareem.
For once, I actually agree with you

[AchillesHeel]

Larry Bird gets underrated a lot in all time discussions.

Bird > Magic without question imo, and anyone who says Bird isnt top 5 all times is a moron. He is top 3 in my book, behind only MJ and Kareem.

It's kinda hard for me to compare Bird and Magic. I mean, Magic's stats are nice and he won 5 rings, then again he had Kareem while Bird also had HOFs like McHale. Honestly I think Magic and Bird are equal in terms of all-time rank, they both dominated the 80s.

[Phillip]

It's kinda hard for me to compare Bird and Magic. I mean, Magic's stats are nice and he won 5 rings, then again he had Kareem while Bird also had HOFs like McHale. Honestly I think Magic and Bird are equal in terms of all-time rank, they both dominated the 80s.

If I was building a team, I would build around Bird before building around Magic, every time.

[Michael Jordan.]

What up nigras?

[AchillesHeel]

What up nigras?

Have you played 1 vs 1 with your draft pick already? Did he let you win?

[Tim_duncan21]

Dear God, look at all the massive anal hemoraging I have caused.

lol

[Larry Joe Bird]

I swept Jordan twice. And if it weren't for my back and my Pippens dying (Len Bias / Reggie Lewis), I would've kept kicking his ass all through the 90's.

[lefty]

Truth nukes

Jorbum is a fraud, needed the diluted 90s, the referees and MVPippen to be successful

Pathetic

[Neo.]

I swept Jordan twice. And if it weren't for my back and my Pippens dying (Len Bias / Reggie Lewis), I would've kept kicking his ass all through the 90's.
:lol one of the best trolls here

[Rummpd]

Jabbar > Bird >> Jordan that about ends argument