The NFC East

[Avante]

I can't afford (not really) all those football magazines out there right now, I did purchase my favorite. I have however peeked at all the others as far as their picks go. The consensus...

Division winners

Texans
Pats
Broncos
Ravens and Bengals...yep.

Niners and Seahawks
Falcons
Packers
Giants, Eagles, Cowboys, Redskins....yep, seen them all winning the division. No outstanding team there, all in that 9-7/10-6 world.

I have to agree, it really is hard to get an accurate read on that division. There is no clear cut favorite or cellar dweller. I do see the NFC as the best divison in football, I don't expect to see a sub 500 team there and the division title not decided until the final couple weeks.

Oh yeah..

Niners vs Broncos

The consensus Superbowl match up.

[J.T.]

Super Bowl is going to be Indianapolis and Dallas tbh

Rematch of the 1971 game

Hopefully more entertaining

[KoolAid Mans Brother]

So basically, the "consensus" is that every single team that made the playoffs last year will make it again (except possibly the NFC East champion, since no pick was given). Too bad that historically it has never once happened like that. Also, statistical history clearly states that the 49ers (the SB losers) will not make it back to the SB. It's so historically accurate in the past 20 years that it's almost written in stone. "Consensus" is like picking the chalk in horse racing. Chalks only win around 30% of the time. If we went back in history and looked at the expert's "consensus" pick to win the SB every year, I would be confident that they were right 30% or less of the time.


** How the Super Bowl losers have fared the following season:

2012 49ers: 11-4-1; lost to Ravens, 34-31, in Super Bowl XLVII
2013 49ers: ????
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2011 Patriots: 13-3; lost to Giants, 21-17, in Super Bowl XLVI
2012 Patriots: 12-4; lost to Ravens, 28-13, in AFC Championship Game
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2010 Steelers: 12-4; lost to Packers, 31-25, in Super Bowl XLV
2011 Steelers: 12-4; lost to Broncos, 29-23, in AFC wild-card playoffs
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2009 Colts: 14-2; lost to Saints, 31-17, in Super Bowl XLIV
2010 Colts: 10-6; lost to Jets, 17-16, in AFC wild-card playoffs
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2008 Cardinals: 9-7; lost to Steelers, 27-23, in Super Bowl XLIII
2009 Cardinals: 10-6; lost to Saints, 45-14, in NFC divisional playoffs
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2007 Patriots: 16-0; lost to Giants, 17-14, in Super Bowl XLII
2008 Patriots: 11-5; missed playoffs
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2006 Bears: 13-3; lost to Colts, 29-17, in Super Bowl XLI
2007 Bears: 7-9; missed playoffs
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2005 Seahawks: 13-3; lost to Steelers, 21-10, in Super Bowl XL
2006 Seahawks: 9-7; lost to Bears, 27-24 in NFC divisional playoffs
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2004 Eagles: 13-3; lost to Patriots, 24-21, in Super Bowl XXXIX
2005 Eagles: 6-10; missed playoffs
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2003 Panthers: 11-5; lost to Patriots, 32-29, in Super Bowl XXXVIII
2004 Panthers: 7-9; missed playoffs
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2002 Raiders: 11-5; lost to Buccaneers, 48-21, in Super Bowl XXXVII
2003 Raiders: 4-12; missed playoffs
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2001 Rams: 14-2; lost to Patriots, 20-17, in Super Bowl XXXVI
2002 Rams: 7-9; missed playoffs
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2000 Giants: 12-4; lost to Ravens, 34-7, in Super Bowl XXXV
2001 Giants: 7-9; missed playoffs
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1999 Titans: 13-3; lost to Rams, 23-16, in Super Bowl XXXIV
2000 Titans: 13-3; lost to Ravens, 24-10, in AFC divisional playoffs
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1998 Falcons: 14-2; lost to Broncos, 34-19, in Super Bowl XXXIII
1999 Falcons: 5-11; missed playoffs
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1997 Packers: 13-3; lost to Broncos, 31-24, in Super Bowl XXXII
1998 Packers: 11-5; lost to 49ers, 30-27, in NFC wild-card playoffs
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1996 Patriots: 11-5; lost to Packers, 35-21, in Super Bowl XXXI
1997 Patriots: 10-6; lost to Steelers, 7-6, in AFC divisional playoffs
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1995 Steelers: 11-5; lost to Cowboys, 27-17, in Super Bowl XXX
1996 Steelers: 10-6; lost to Patriots, 28-3, in AFC divisional playoffs
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1994 Chargers: 11-5; lost to 49ers, 49-26, in Super Bowl XXIX
1995 Chargers: 9-7; lost to Colts, 35-20, in AFC wild-card playoffs
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1993 Bills: 12-4; lost to Cowboys, 30-13, in Super Bowl XXVIII
1994 Bills: 7-9; missed playoffs

[Avante]

Super Bowl is going to be Indianapolis and Dallas tbh

Rematch of the 1971 game

Hopefully more entertaining

How old were you in 1971?

I do realize you're kidding about Colts vs Cowboys, since it's real obvious neither will be in their conference title games.

[Avante]

So basically, the "consensus" is that every single team that made the playoffs last year will make it again (except possibly the NFC East champion, since no pick was given). Too bad that historically it has never once happened like that. Also, statistical history clearly states that the 49ers (the SB losers) will not make it back to the SB. It's so historically accurate in the past 20 years that it's almost written in stone. "Consensus" is like picking the chalk in horse racing. Chalks only win around 30% of the time. If we went back in history and looked at the expert's "consensus" pick to win the SB every year, I would be confident that they were right 30% or less of the time.

** How the Super Bowl losers have fared the following season:

2012 49ers: 11-4-1; lost to Ravens, 34-31, in Super Bowl XLVII
2013 49ers: ????
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2011 Patriots: 13-3; lost to Giants, 21-17, in Super Bowl XLVI
2012 Patriots: 12-4; lost to Ravens, 28-13, in AFC Championship Game
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2010 Steelers: 12-4; lost to Packers, 31-25, in Super Bowl XLV
2011 Steelers: 12-4; lost to Broncos, 29-23, in AFC wild-card playoffs
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2009 Colts: 14-2; lost to Saints, 31-17, in Super Bowl XLIV
2010 Colts: 10-6; lost to Jets, 17-16, in AFC wild-card playoffs
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2008 Cardinals: 9-7; lost to Steelers, 27-23, in Super Bowl XLIII
2009 Cardinals: 10-6; lost to Saints, 45-14, in NFC divisional playoffs
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2007 Patriots: 16-0; lost to Giants, 17-14, in Super Bowl XLII
2008 Patriots: 11-5; missed playoffs
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2006 Bears: 13-3; lost to Colts, 29-17, in Super Bowl XLI
2007 Bears: 7-9; missed playoffs
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2005 Seahawks: 13-3; lost to Steelers, 21-10, in Super Bowl XL
2006 Seahawks: 9-7; lost to Bears, 27-24 in NFC divisional playoffs
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2004 Eagles: 13-3; lost to Patriots, 24-21, in Super Bowl XXXIX
2005 Eagles: 6-10; missed playoffs
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2003 Panthers: 11-5; lost to Patriots, 32-29, in Super Bowl XXXVIII
2004 Panthers: 7-9; missed playoffs
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2002 Raiders: 11-5; lost to Buccaneers, 48-21, in Super Bowl XXXVII
2003 Raiders: 4-12; missed playoffs
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2001 Rams: 14-2; lost to Patriots, 20-17, in Super Bowl XXXVI
2002 Rams: 7-9; missed playoffs
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2000 Giants: 12-4; lost to Ravens, 34-7, in Super Bowl XXXV
2001 Giants: 7-9; missed playoffs
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1999 Titans: 13-3; lost to Rams, 23-16, in Super Bowl XXXIV
2000 Titans: 13-3; lost to Ravens, 24-10, in AFC divisional playoffs
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1998 Falcons: 14-2; lost to Broncos, 34-19, in Super Bowl XXXIII
1999 Falcons: 5-11; missed playoffs
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1997 Packers: 13-3; lost to Broncos, 31-24, in Super Bowl XXXII
1998 Packers: 11-5; lost to 49ers, 30-27, in NFC wild-card playoffs
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1996 Patriots: 11-5; lost to Packers, 35-21, in Super Bowl XXXI
1997 Patriots: 10-6; lost to Steelers, 7-6, in AFC divisional playoffs
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1995 Steelers: 11-5; lost to Cowboys, 27-17, in Super Bowl XXX
1996 Steelers: 10-6; lost to Patriots, 28-3, in AFC divisional playoffs
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1994 Chargers: 11-5; lost to 49ers, 49-26, in Super Bowl XXIX
1995 Chargers: 9-7; lost to Colts, 35-20, in AFC wild-card playoffs
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1993 Bills: 12-4; lost to Cowboys, 30-13, in Super Bowl XXVIII
1994 Bills: 7-9; missed playoffs


I do have a magazine on football betting..Marc Lawrence ..PLAYBOOK. In the mag, we find some pro gamblers and their picks for a Superbowl matchup, the consensus....Niners vs Broncos. Now here we have the guys who are all up in trends/stats. Some totally ridiculous. Who loses after playing who in the month of....hahaha!!!!

The Niners were one bad non call from winning it all, they will be even better this season. Kap far better, Boldin will replace Crabtree. Hunter and Mannigham will be back.

[Clipper Nation]

Actually, the Niners were one bad call away from not making the Super Bowl at all, dumbfuck :lol

[Avante]

Actually, the Niners were one bad call away from not making the Super Bowl at all, dumbfuck :lol

Nobody can be this stupid, wow!

So you didn't see any of the playoff games, right?

The Niners get that call, they win the Superbowl. And they were without Hunter/Manningham.

DgnlYsoGgrI

[Clipper Nation]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2043223/9ERPI.gif

[Avante]

You do know (probably not) we can do that for every single football game ever played...right?

I'l go real slow, you can do this.

All teams have to deal with bad calls, but when it comes down to a Superbowl it's about that particular game...honest. The Niners get the obvious cal, they win.

You do know the Ravens got their share of bad/missed./in their favor calls.....right? All teams do...honest!

[Clipper Nation]

You do know (probably not) we can do that for every single football game ever played...right?
Which only makes your whining about the Super Bowl even more meaningless....

[Avante]

Which only makes your whining about the Super Bowl even more meaningless....

Nobody can be this dumb, it's impossible.

Dummy, you don't compare a Superbowl to the regular season, wow!!!!!!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

I didn't.... I compared it to the NFC title game, which the Niners won on a blown call.... they call PI on that and the Falcons are in the Super Bowl....

[Avante]

I didn't.... I compared it to the NFC title game, which the Niners won on a blown call.... they call PI on that and the Falcons are in the Super Bowl....

You ever play football?

Dummy, there is holding on every single play...honest!

Nobody should be this stupid, should be illegal.

[Clipper Nation]

Don't need to play football to know that was a blown call, tbh....

[Avante]

Don't need to play football to know that was a blown call, tbh....

Now tell me stupid how many bad calls did the Falcons get in the regular season? How many times in that Niner game did they hold and no call was made?

Dummy go back to just...you're a faggot....it's all you got. You know...0...about football.

[Clipper Nation]

Regular season has nothing to do with it.... refs calling that obvious PI = Falcons in the Super Bowl barring a miracle, it's that simple....

As for bad calls in the Super Bowl, the Akers flop, the uncalled late hit on Flacco by Sopoaga, and Torrey Smith getting mugged by Colliver with no call stand out in my mind, tbh....

[Blizzardwizard]

I laughed at the 49'ers losing. That call at the end was right.

Anyway, how did this get blown out of proportion from an NFC East topic to 49'ers? Answer:The NFC East is the diva division, all it needs now is Tebow to complete the set.

[Avante]

Regular season has nothing to do with it.... refs calling that obvious PI = Falcons in the Super Bowl barring a miracle, it's that simple....

As for bad calls in the Super Bowl, the Akers flop, the uncalled late hit on Flacco by Sopoaga, and Torrey Smith getting mugged by Colliver with no call stand out in my mind, tbh....

I'll go really slow....

It's all about who is good enought to overcome the bad calls. The Niners had their share just like they all do.

Clipper I knew you were an idiot, but had no idea you were this big an idiot. I can tell you never played the game.

[Clipper Nation]

I'll go really slow....

It's all about who is good enought to overcome the bad calls.
Then you should probably stop whining about the Super Bowl, because the Niners weren't good "enought"....

[J.T.]

How old were you in 1971?

I do realize you're kidding about Colts vs Cowboys, since it's real obvious neither will be in their conference title games.

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[Avante]

I laughed at the 49'ers losing. That call at the end was right.

Anyway, how did this get blown out of proportion from an NFC East topic to 49'ers? Answer:The NFC East is the diva division, all it needs now is Tebow to complete the set.

That was an obvious holding, not even a debate.

The NFC has no real favorite or dog.

[Avante]

14

No way in hell you're that old.

[Clipper Nation]

That was an obvious holding, not even a debate.
Yeah, Colliver's hold on Smith WAS very obvious, tbh....

[Avante]

Yeah, Colliver's hold on Smith WAS very obvious, tbh....

The Niners were on the road without their number two runner/receiver. And still managed to win the game.They were a couple fumbles away from being in the SB in 2011, they are favored to be back this season.

How's your Chargers doing asshole. Did they ever play in a Superbowl, oh yeah...NINERS KICKED THEIR ASS!!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Meltdown

Am I supposed to be impressed that a Niners team that blatantly cheated the cap whooped Stan Humphries and Natrone Means? :lol

[Avante]

:lol Meltdown

Am I supposed to be impressed that a Niners team that blatantly cheated the cap whooped Stan Humphries and Natrone Means? :lol

Nay just these Hall of Famers...

Joe Montana
Jerry Rice
Ronnie Lott
Dave Wilcox
Steve Young
Leo Nomellini
Joe "The Jet" Perry
Abe Woodson
Bob St.Clair
Y.A.Title
Hugh "The King" McElhenny
John Henry Johnson

and 5-1 in Superbowls

[Blizzardwizard]

That was an obvious holding, not even a debate.

The NFC has no real favorite or dog.

There was no way anyone was going to call that, ever. As you said earlier, there's holding on nearly every snap. On a 4th and goal no way any ref is going to call something that could go either way.

[Blizzardwizard]

Rivers > Montana


Vincent Jackson > Jerry Rice.


They see me Rollin'

[Avante]

There was no way anyone was going to call that, ever. As you said earlier, there's holding on nearly every snap. On a 4th and goal no way any ref is going to call something that could go either way.

Go either way, huh?

[Avante]

Rivers > Montana


Vincent Jackson > Jerry Rice.


They see me Rollin'

Rivers wouldn't make a zit on Montanas ass. Jerry Rice on a whole other planet than Jackson.

[Blizzardwizard]

Rivers wouldn't make a zit on Montanas ass. Jerry Rice on a whole other planet than Jackson.

It was a joke..

Except for the the whole Rivers being the greatest without a ring part.

[Blizzardwizard]

Go either way, huh?

You know, some refs may call it, others won't, just like their is divided opinion as to whether it was holding or not. I'm sure the 49'ers offense knew the refs were going to swallow their whistles on that last drive, going pass happy on the drive didn't help them out either.

[Lincoln]

I see the skins or cowboys winning it this year

[Spursfan092120]

Don't need to play football to know that was a blown call, tbh....
You're right

Now tell me stupid how many bad calls did the Falcons get in the regular season? How many times in that Niner game did they hold and no call was made?

Dummy go back to just...you're a faggot....it's all you got. You know...0...about football.
You're wrong...shut up. Your whole argument is how you can't compare the regular season to the Superbowl, then you try to compare the regular season to the Superbowl. NFC title game is huge...Atlanta should have won that game. SF wouldn't have even been there. And they won't be there this year. That is all.

[Spursfan092120]

Don't need to play football to know that was a blown call, tbh....


I see the skins or cowboys winning it this year
Gonna be a battle tbh. As a Cowboys fan, I'm ashamed to say I actually found myself rooting for Washington in the playoffs. It's hard not to root for RG3 and Alfred Morris after you know their stories. It wouldn't hurt me if Washington won the division if Dallas didn't. Now NY and Phi? They can kiss my fucking ass.

[Spursfan092120]

It was a joke..

Except for the the whole Rivers being the greatest without a ring part.
Best ever without a ring? Is that what you're saying? If so, these three guys tell you to shut the hell up.
http://www.1043thefan.com/Pics/alfredAndD-Mac/WARREN_MOON.jpg http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/default/Marino_Dan_NFL_2.jpg http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Jim-Kelly.jpg

Not to mention Jim Everett, Dan Fouts, Boomer Esiason, and Fran Tarkenton. And those are just off the top of my head. If that's what you're saying, don't even consider what you just said as logical. If you're talking about best TODAY without a ring, Romo's better than Rivers, Colin Kaepernick, and Matt Ryan I would put above him as well.

[TIMMYtoZO]

The Giants reloaded nicely. Their offense is superior to the Skins/Cowboys and the D will peak late in the season when JPP gets his form back after back surgery.

[Clipper Nation]

Romo's better than Rivers
:lmao

Romo and Philbilly are equally pathetic right now...

[Blizzardwizard]

Best ever without a ring? Is that what you're saying? If so, these three guys tell you to shut the hell up.
http://www.1043thefan.com/Pics/alfredAndD-Mac/WARREN_MOON.jpg http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/default/Marino_Dan_NFL_2.jpg http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Jim-Kelly.jpg

Not to mention Jim Everett, Dan Fouts, Boomer Esiason, and Fran Tarkenton. And those are just off the top of my head. If that's what you're saying, don't even consider what you just said as logical. If you're talking about best TODAY without a ring, Romo's better than Rivers, Colin Kaepernick, and Matt Ryan I would put above him as well.


God damn it, it was a joke :cry

[Avante]

Me personally and for no solid reason...

1.Giants
2.Redskins
3.Cowboys
3.Eagles

And that is based on absolutely nothing.

Don't forget...Johnny Unitas... when it comes to ring-less QB's.

[Avante]

You're right

You're wrong...shut up. Your whole argument is how you can't compare the regular season to the Superbowl, then you try to compare the regular season to the Superbowl. NFC title game is huge...Atlanta should have won that game. SF wouldn't have even been there. And they won't be there this year. That is all.



Who you talking to bitch?

[Clipper Nation]

Don't forget...Johnny Unitas... when it comes to ring-less QB's.
Hey dumbfuck, Unitas won a ring....

[Spursfan092120]

God damn it, it was a joke :cry
Just checking..that's why I asked.

[Spursfan092120]

Who you talking to bitch?
Well...let's see...it's under your post. Not too hard to figure that one out, is it? You were being a complete hypocrite. Falcons should have won that game...SF wouldn't have even sniffed the SB if it weren't for that bad call.












lol internet tough guy

[Spursfan092120]

:lmao

Romo and Philbilly are equally pathetic right now...
Here's the thing though...when you're comparing two QB's who are pathetic you have to go by stats. Romo's are better. What's weird is the bad rep Romo has for being horrible in the 4th quarter when he has the best 4th quarter QB rating in the NFL, and the most 4th quarter comebacks. It's more of a first quarter problem. Either way, Romo's better than Rivers imo...not saying he's all that great, just better than Phillip.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Here's the thing though...when you're comparing two QB's who are pathetic you have to go by stats. Romo's are better. What's weird is the bad rep Romo has for being horrible in the 4th quarter when he has the best 4th quarter QB rating in the NFL, and the most 4th quarter comebacks. It's more of a first quarter problem. Either way, Romo's better than Rivers imo...not saying he's all that great, just better than Phillip.

Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub needs to find a way into this discussion. Neither are reliable in January just as well.

[Spursfan092120]

Matt Ryan and Matt Shaub needs to find a way into this discussion. Neither are reliable in January just as well.
this is true. I did mention Matt Ryan..missed Schaub

[J.T.]

No way in hell you're that old.

Believe what you what to