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N0 LyF3 ScRuB
07-25-2013, 05:40 PM
Saw this on my SC app. I'm on my phone I'm sure it's all over twitter but I can't post the leak.


lol uh oh D Wade

dallasmaverickslose
07-25-2013, 05:56 PM
DWade :hat

skulls138
07-25-2013, 06:02 PM
Cmon now. Don't just say Wade's name with no explanation. Why Wade?

HemisfairArena
07-25-2013, 06:04 PM
Kobe Bryant. No way that dude goes to Germany every off-season and comes back fixed and doesnt do PED's. Hell...they say he's way ahead of schedule on his Achilles injury and the guy has 17 years in the league on his body. Test him first.

hater
07-25-2013, 06:06 PM
Dirk fo sho. I hear they give PEDs to german babies when they nursing

Poolboy5623
07-25-2013, 06:07 PM
You guys are funny. The whole league uses...hell I'm about to get doctor prescribed gh and test sent to my home address, by a doctor!! It was extremely easy for me to get a prescription..how can it not be for athletes?..take the blinders off.

hsxvvd
07-25-2013, 06:08 PM
Lewis plays for Miami and has already been linked and punished in the past... could simply be that... but I hope it's the whole freaking Miami team.

Baseline
07-25-2013, 06:22 PM
Even if the Heat had to give us their trophy, Pop would find a way to screw up in the last minute.

hater
07-25-2013, 06:30 PM
Even if the Heat had to give us their trophy, Pop would find a way to screw up in the last minute.

Manu is far away in Argentina. I don't think Pop would fuck this up this time.

texmich
07-25-2013, 06:30 PM
Even if the Heat had to give us their trophy, Pop would find a way to screw up in the last minute.

lol yea he would some how http://www.arwrath.com/content/1/129857.gif

celldweller
07-25-2013, 06:31 PM
I'll bet my house that MANU GINOBILI...................aint taken no damn PED. He's all natural !!! :hat

Obstructed_View
07-25-2013, 06:39 PM
All you Spurs fans laughing about Wade and Kobe should be careful. I wouldn't be shocked if Tim Duncan's name ends up on a list. Nobody has ever gone from a degenerative knee to having a career year at 37 before.

milkyway21
07-25-2013, 06:52 PM
Read an article about James in PED. Don't know if this is true.

LeBron James Steroids? Miami Heat Star Implicated In PED Scandal By Former Anthony Bosch Employee

By by Glenn Minnis | Jun 05, 2013 01:39 PM EDT


A woman, claiming to be a former employee of embattled, alleged Major League Baseball steroids provider Anthony Bosch, is now asserting that a close associate to NBA MVP LeBron James regularly frequented the clinic and each time took products with him designated for someone bearing the initials “LB.”

According to IBN Sports Wrap, someone she further identified as “Mr.Paul (LeBron’s childhood friend and one of his current agents is is named Rich Paul) would make monthly visits and carry off the agreed upon products. She further claims she knows Paul was a friend of James and workers at the clinic were 100 percent certain LeBron James was a client of the institute and the “LJ” in question.



Bosch remains under heavy investigation and has already intricately been implicated in what could well be the sport’s world biggest, single performance enhancing drug scandal. Former MLB MVPs Alex Rodriguez and Ryan Braun have already been snared in the probe, which, according to ESPN, could involve as many as 20 big league pro players.



Bosch has now agreed to cooperate with investigators, testifying against and providing further details about players who alleges were steroids abusers.



MLB officials are already moving to have both Rodriguez and Braun banned for at least 100 games or double the suspension usually renders to PEDs abusers on the grounds not allow did they violate the league’ substance abuse policy but repeatedly lied to investigators in the aftermath.

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/2774/20130605/lebron-james-steroids-miami-heat-star-implicated-ped-scandal-former-anthony-bosch.htm

RD2191
07-25-2013, 06:55 PM
All you Spurs fans laughing about Wade and Kobe should be careful. I wouldn't be shocked if Tim Duncan's name ends up on a list. Nobody has ever gone from a degenerative knee to having a career year at 37 before.

Gtfo, Tim Duncan has skill.

DJR210
07-25-2013, 07:00 PM
I guess that explains why he would be limping one minute, dunking the next. Rapid regeneration ability flowing through his system ala Weapon X project.

DJR210
07-25-2013, 07:01 PM
All you Spurs fans laughing about Wade and Kobe should be careful. I wouldn't be shocked if Tim Duncan's name ends up on a list. Nobody has ever gone from a degenerative knee to having a career year at 37 before.

Probably gonna be on the list of NBA players to have sitdown conversations with Oprah regarding lifestyle choices before PED list tbh.

milkyway21
07-25-2013, 07:01 PM
Tim Duncan was NOT 100% healthy in 2012-13 season. He has to sit in some games.

Let us not drag his name into this.

hsxvvd
07-25-2013, 07:07 PM
The Lebron, Dwight muscle structure screams drug use... No coincidence that even the hardest workers in the NBA 15-20yrs ago (Malone, Oakley etc) could not achieve the same results.

Bruno
07-25-2013, 07:09 PM
I don't know how/if doping with substances like HGH could make an injured knee "heal". Now, I don't buy Duncan just got better by losing some weight. Duncan has received some treatments for his knee but it's fully possible that they were all legal.

You also had to consider regarding Duncan the improvement regarding knee treatments in recent years. For example, half a decade ago, a lot of players were getting micro-fracture surgeries and now it's only reserved to some extreme cases like Oden.

And if the NBA wants to get some credibility regarding PED, they should unconditionally give the full control of the testing and sanctioning to the USADA.

Poolboy5623
07-25-2013, 07:11 PM
I said on many occasions, this season, that td looked the best he ever has, from the waist up. Most have this strange misconception that steroids and gh makes everyone look like a bodybuilder. It's simply not the case.. in doing research, you'll find why it's pretty obvious someone, with millions on the line, would use...and they've been using for years. I simply think it's a matter of not being able to keep it as secretive any longer..

Poolboy5623
07-25-2013, 07:14 PM
The Lebron, Dwight muscle structure screams drug use... No coincidence that even the hardest workers in the NBA 15-20yrs ago (Malone, Oakley etc) could not achieve the same results.

LeBron and Dwight are gifted, genetically, w/o drug use......but when you combine that w/ use..well....you see what you get.

DJR210
07-25-2013, 07:15 PM
I don't know how/if doping with substances like HGH could make an injured knee "heal".

Was a joke, Bruno. Reference to Wolverine.

Was funny to watch him limp off several times but come back so quickly with no lingering issue.

DesignatedT
07-25-2013, 07:27 PM
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/248/732/Rookie_display_image.jpg?1275800976
http://vegasseven.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/Article/img/2013/04/17/lebron.jpg

Libri
07-25-2013, 07:28 PM
I said on many occasions, this season, that td looked the best he ever has, from the waist up. Most have this strange misconception that steroids and gh makes everyone look like a bodybuilder. It's simply not the case.. in doing research, you'll find why it's pretty obvious someone, with millions on the line, would use...and they've been using for years. I simply think it's a matter of not being able to keep it as secretive any longer..

I agree. There are those who just want to stay lean year long. There is a drug for that. Others just want to increase their strength but with little gain in muscle mass. There's a drug for that to. It all depends on their objective.

KL2
07-25-2013, 07:32 PM
All you Spurs fans laughing about Wade and Kobe should be careful. I wouldn't be shocked if Tim Duncan's name ends up on a list. Nobody has ever gone from a degenerative knee to having a career year at 37 before.


I thought about that but I really doubt it. You gotta remember he was struggling when he had Matt fucking Bonner and Blair starting next to him, the amount of energy he had to exert was tremendous both offensively and especially defensively.

We had no SF of the roster either, the whole team really improved and has made life easier for Duncan with Green, Leonard, Splitter, Parker improving etc.


Also Duncan could've easily dominated the league in his prime if he was some egotistical douche like some nba players we know, it's evidenced by his playoff performances. Regular season after season he pretty much coasted and really turned it up in the playoffs. What we're currently seeing is Duncan's absolute best, giving it his all. If Duncan had played like this in his previous seasons he could've averaged 25-30 PPG easy.

Russ
07-25-2013, 07:40 PM
Will Matt Bonner be the next name to drop? :wow

BatManu20
07-25-2013, 07:43 PM
Cmon now. Don't just say Wade's name with no explanation. Why Wade?

http://www.lightlybraisedturnip.com/storage/sports/121009-wade-jaw-graph10K.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1355724077 285


...that's not normal.

BatManu20
07-25-2013, 07:44 PM
All you Spurs fans laughing about Wade and Kobe should be careful. I wouldn't be shocked if Tim Duncan's name ends up on a list. Nobody has ever gone from a degenerative knee to having a career year at 37 before.

This tbh.

KaiRMD1
07-25-2013, 07:46 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if that ol' sport Aron Baynes took some. He is quite the large specimen

Russ
07-25-2013, 07:47 PM
All you Spurs fans laughing about Wade and Kobe should be careful. I wouldn't be shocked if Tim Duncan's name ends up on a list. Nobody has ever gone from a degenerative knee to having a career year at 37 before.

True, but on the other hand, it's hard to lose that kind of weight taking steroids.

Poolboy5623
07-25-2013, 07:50 PM
Will Matt Bonner be the next name to drop? :wow

Have you seen Bonners upper body mass? His arms are quite large ...if he were tan he'd look 10x bigger..

Captivus
07-25-2013, 07:54 PM
how long after using this PED can they be detected?

Poolboy5623
07-25-2013, 07:56 PM
Could someone get me splitters address, so I can get a care package sent to him, directly?

Poolboy5623
07-25-2013, 07:59 PM
how long after using this PED can they be detected?Do they even test for gh yet? I know they were trying to...but for the longest time it was never even tested. As far as steroids go...some stay in the system for months...others are out in days..these guys know what they are doing or atleast have someone watching them, that knows what they're doing.

Libri
07-25-2013, 08:03 PM
True, but on the other hand, it's hard to lose that kind of weight taking steroids.

Even though it's not a steroid, Clenbuterol is used to decrease fat.

Russ
07-25-2013, 08:05 PM
The Lebron, Dwight muscle structure screams drug use...

No wonder Bosh was never considered one of the guys.

Russ
07-25-2013, 08:06 PM
Even though it's not a steroid, Clenbuterol is used to decrease fat.

Muscle weighs more than fat.

Poolboy5623
07-25-2013, 08:09 PM
There are all kinds of steroids used for weight loss...hell that's one of the bIg benefits to gh use...imagine losing weight, while gaining lean muscle! That's a recipe for success.

HI-FI
07-25-2013, 08:14 PM
throughout the Finals, i asked on here what would happen if Lebron and Wade were massively juicing during the Finals. it's ultimately a war of attrition, and while I trust in Pop's ability to manage minutes, I always had a bad feeling that Lebron and Wade were going all out with the HGH, especially in Finals to maintain that edge. If the truth comes out, it would honestly give me some peace over the Finals.

xmas1997
07-25-2013, 08:18 PM
Even if by some chance it does come out that they were doing it, they still wouldn't strip Miami of the title, because it takes the whole team to be guilty.

Libri
07-25-2013, 08:27 PM
Even if by some chance it does come out that they were doing it, they still wouldn't strip Miami of the title, because it takes the whole team to be guilty.

True but that title would have a huge ass asterisk. :lol

Russ
07-25-2013, 08:28 PM
throughout the Finals, i asked on here what would happen if Lebron and Wade were massively juicing during the Finals.

The League would run a public service announcement against steroid discrimination featuring LeBron and Wade.

LeBron -- For years I experienced discrimination based upon my PED use.

Wade -- I, too, suffered discrimination simply because I juiced.

LeBron -- We're better than that.

Wade -- We're better than that.

A chorus of cherubic kids in unison -- We're better than that.

HI-FI
07-25-2013, 08:28 PM
True but that title would have a huge ass asterisk. :lol
This. it would be a massive effin asterisk, since they just barely won, and without Lebron or Wade's heroics, that team would've been blown out.

HI-FI
07-25-2013, 08:30 PM
The League would run a public service announcement against steroid discrimination featuring LeBron and Wade.

LeBron -- For years I experienced discrimination based upon my PED use.

Wade -- I, too, suffered discrimination simply because I juiced.

LeBron -- We're better than that.

Wade -- We're better than that.

A chorus of cherubic kids in unison -- We're better than that.

:lol
i never doubt Stern's ability to spin. hopefully he can't control this from being released.

Poolboy5623
07-25-2013, 08:31 PM
I'm trying to think of names in the nba that have been busted?...anyone help?

T Park
07-25-2013, 08:31 PM
All you Spurs fans laughing about Wade and Kobe should be careful. I wouldn't be shocked if Tim Duncan's name ends up on a list. Nobody has ever gone from a degenerative knee to having a career year at 37 before.


This . As soon as I read this he was the first player I thought of.

racm
07-25-2013, 08:44 PM
All you Spurs fans laughing about Wade and Kobe should be careful. I wouldn't be shocked if Tim Duncan's name ends up on a list. Nobody has ever gone from a degenerative knee to having a career year at 37 before.

I'd be less surprised if he headlined a parade alongside Jason Collins and Richard Jefferson, tbh.

HemisfairArena
07-25-2013, 08:58 PM
So Tim Duncan has a decent year and obviously he is the one to suspect of using it but Kobe Bryant has been at the top of his game now for 17 years and counting and no one thinks he is using PED'S? LMAO...Timmy had a great year....Kobe adjusted his game mid season and almost averaged a triple double...blew out his Achilles and on a pace to come back early...but he's not on anything? You gotta be kidding....

TheGoldStandard
07-25-2013, 09:00 PM
If you're not cheating you're not trying..

Strategic
07-25-2013, 09:04 PM
I was offered steroids in lieu of shoulder surgery a few years back. It was quite a rush for a few days.

spurs10
07-25-2013, 09:08 PM
Even if by some chance it does come out that they were doing it, they still wouldn't strip Miami of the title, because it takes the whole team to be guilty.
I don't know about that. Armstrong had a team......:wow

TheGoldStandard
07-25-2013, 09:09 PM
Could someone get me splitters address, so I can get a care package sent to him, directly?

Amen

wildchild
07-25-2013, 09:17 PM
Will Matt Bonner be the next name to drop? :wow

Sure!
http://ed_wp-content_v2.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/spurs_head-01.jpg

exstatic
07-25-2013, 09:21 PM
I'm trying to think of names in the nba that have been busted?...anyone help?

They never tell what banned substance (performance or recreational drugs) players get busted for, but there was this one guy for the Hornets a few years back, white boy, jumps out of the gym, puffy and swollen looking, name of Chris Anderson. I always thought it was steroids. He had all of the hallmarks.

RD2191
07-25-2013, 09:23 PM
This . As soon as I read this he was the first player I thought of.

You're a fukin dumbass. Go fuk yourself.

cd021
07-25-2013, 09:29 PM
The Lebron, Dwight muscle structure screams drug use... No coincidence that even the hardest workers in the NBA 15-20yrs ago (Malone, Oakley etc) could not achieve the same results.

Both of them are physical freaks. If both were doping it had to be sense they were teens at the very least. Malone and Oakley weren't nearly as physically gifted.

cd021
07-25-2013, 09:31 PM
If you're not cheating you're not trying..

Just hope know one says that to their wive...

PlayNando
07-25-2013, 09:59 PM
They probably all use various PEDs, tbh.

LeBron and "3" are probably the biggest users,though.

Timmy is certainly sucking from the teet of Dr. HGH at his age, IMO. So is Manu, probably.

racm
07-25-2013, 10:12 PM
They probably all use various PEDs, tbh.

LeBron and "3" are probably the biggest users,though.

Timmy is certainly sucking from the teet of Dr. HGH at his age, IMO. So is Manu, probably.

What about your boy Nando?

RD2191
07-25-2013, 10:16 PM
What about your boy Nando?

He better get a fukin refund because that guy is garbage.

PlayNando
07-25-2013, 10:30 PM
What about your boy Nando?
If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying.....................

PlayNando
07-25-2013, 10:30 PM
He better get a fukin refund because that guy is garbage.
FU

aal04
07-25-2013, 10:48 PM
LBJ has decided not to participate in the olympics.

Coincidence?

skulls138
07-25-2013, 10:49 PM
What about your boy Nando?Ooooh, stop the presses Nando De Colo used PED's. Nando De Who? Use more Nando...alot more.

TheGoldStandard
07-25-2013, 10:51 PM
Nando thought he took HGH it turned out to be Flintstones Chewable vitamins.. 10 Million Strong and Growing

Hoops Czar
07-25-2013, 10:58 PM
What about your boy Nando?

He's taking a placebo.

exstatic
07-25-2013, 11:17 PM
:lol If Tim's juicing, he's taking the lowest dose in history. Boy can't jump over a phone book.

Brunodf
07-25-2013, 11:35 PM
Even if the Heat had to give us their trophy, Pop would find a way to screw up in the last minute.
This tbh

Johnsyounger
07-26-2013, 12:00 AM
Duncan and Parkers bodies and jaws dont indicate PED use. Lebron, Kirby, and Wade's do however......

TheGreatYacht
07-26-2013, 12:47 AM
Skip/fast-forward to 4:40 to hear more about the PED topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_cTJZ2tlY

mathbzh
07-26-2013, 01:49 AM
Rashard Lewis suspension for using DHEA: 10 games
LaShawn Merritt for the same: 21 months

All I have to say

MannyIsGod
07-26-2013, 02:16 AM
All you Spurs fans laughing about Wade and Kobe should be careful. I wouldn't be shocked if Tim Duncan's name ends up on a list. Nobody has ever gone from a degenerative knee to having a career year at 37 before.

Tim Duncan certainly did not have a career year so I guess that list is still at no one.

MannyIsGod
07-26-2013, 02:20 AM
This . As soon as I read this he was the first player I thought of.

:lmao

What a joke.

MannyIsGod
07-26-2013, 02:24 AM
Tim Duncan sees a modest increase in PER over the previous two seasons to a level he's been at or above 10 yeas out of his career (sometimes WAAAAY above) and people are calling it a career year and saying its likely he's juicing? REALLY?

Sean Cagney
07-26-2013, 02:31 AM
Tim Duncan sees a modest increase in PER over the previous two seasons to a level he's been at or above 10 yeas out of his career (sometimes WAAAAY above) and people are calling it a career year and saying its likely he's juicing? REALLY?

Do not even entertain that trash there, he lost alot of weight! He slimmed down to get more and less on his knees! A USER usually bulks up a WHOLE lot like Bron or Wade did, not gets slimmer and skinnier to get in game shape. Who the F gets skinnier and smaller using? I swear to GOD idiots on this board. Do not entertain that Manny, do not it's a joke.

slick'81
07-26-2013, 03:20 AM
Matt bonner had a good playoff series that dude is doping

Das Texan
07-26-2013, 11:12 AM
I find it funny how only baseball has to really deal with this issue as its glossed over in the other 2 major sports in this nation.

Spur|n|Austin
07-26-2013, 11:40 AM
All you Spurs fans laughing about Wade and Kobe should be careful. I wouldn't be shocked if Tim Duncan's name ends up on a list. Nobody has ever gone from a degenerative knee to having a career year at 37 before.

Isn't that procedure more along the lines of stem cell research?

Poolboy5623
07-26-2013, 12:40 PM
Do not even entertain that trash there, he lost alot of weight! He slimmed down to get more and less on his knees! A USER usually bulks up a WHOLE lot like Bron or Wade did, not gets slimmer and skinnier to get in game shape. Who the F gets skinnier and smaller using? I swear to GOD idiots on this board. Do not entertain that Manny, do not it's a joke.

With all do respect, this post is idiotic.

Sean Cagney
07-26-2013, 01:05 PM
With all do respect, this post is idiotic.

Well he surely has not gotten more athletic from his so called using has he? The thought alone of Tim doing it is idiotic to me, when did his name so called even get leaked into it besides some idiot on this board? Never.

LakerHater
07-26-2013, 02:00 PM
MAybe that expalins LeBron's hair line, kinda like Barry Bonds!

DPG21920
07-26-2013, 02:02 PM
Spur fans lady & gents.

ducks
07-26-2013, 02:37 PM
james will get his ass bustedhttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uYuCOCykMI4/UFYFuRRVXhI/AAAAAAAAArw/V-TdVOcNsIM/s320/SpankedWithSlideRule_NationalLampoonArtPosterBook1 975.jpg

Poolboy5623
07-26-2013, 02:44 PM
Well he surely has not gotten more athletic from his so called using has he? The thought alone of Tim doing it is idiotic to me, when did his name so called even get leaked into it besides some idiot on this board? Never.

Since when is gh only used to get "more athletic"..? I've never seen so many act like know it all's, when it's clear they know nothing about the subject at hand. Oh well. It's the internet, were all experts at everything.

Sean Cagney
07-26-2013, 03:25 PM
Since when is gh only used to get "more athletic"..? I've never seen so many act like know it all's, when it's clear they know nothing about the subject at hand. Oh well. It's the internet, were all experts at everything.

So Tim is using now since someone said it on this board????? Stupid argument and speculation to begin with. They said one player or so, probably Lebron.

Some ways you can tell as some said by the facial structure or chin widening as some showed in Pics of Wade, sometimes it's obvious in muscle mass like someone in baseball say a Bonds or Lebron in the NBA etc., tell me you see any difference in Tim sides being skinny now? He dropped the weight to put less pressure on his legs and that seems to have paid dividends for him! So now he is using PED?

UZER
07-26-2013, 03:45 PM
Even though all signs point to wade, stern will find a way to make someone else the sacrificial lamb just like baseball did the first few times they started busting players.

SpurPadre
07-26-2013, 04:12 PM
Will Matt Bonner be the next name to drop? :wow

I hope so because that's the only way we can finally be rid of that fucker.

Poolboy5623
07-26-2013, 04:17 PM
So Tim is using now since someone said it on this board????? Stupid argument and speculation to begin with. They said one player or so, probably Lebron.

Some ways you can tell as some said by the facial structure or chin widening as some showed in Pics of Wade, sometimes it's obvious in muscle mass like someone in baseball say a Bonds or Lebron in the NBA etc., tell me you see any difference in Tim sides being skinny now? He dropped the weight to put less pressure on his legs and that seems to have paid dividends for him! So now he is using PED?

So LeBron probably uses because he's big and muscular but no way Timmy does because he is lean, or skinny, as it was put? ..and no need to mention the miracle healing powers of peds? Got it..

Spurs21Fan4Ever
07-26-2013, 05:16 PM
That explains why LeBron grew a 6th toe.

Sean Cagney
07-26-2013, 06:00 PM
So LeBron probably uses because he's big and muscular but no way Timmy does because he is lean, or skinny, as it was put? ..and no need to mention the miracle healing powers of peds? Got it..
Yeah TIM is using it, you hit it on the head! LOL at just seeing Lebron as big and muscular, he is a freak of nature sure but unless he is in the gym 24/7 (Which might be possible but.....) you normally don't just get that big, that would TAKE D ROB type effort in the gym.

I think it's funny they mention one guy and now you guys in here apply it to TIM! I guess every team should look at every player now too? Kobe look at him! He healed fast and is older, look at him! Tim had a hell of a year yes, whats to say him losing all that weight did not take pressure off his knee and pro long his career? I mean that is possible without PEDS you think?

You can eat certain foods or take herbs that are anti inflammatory as well! Maybe he added some things to his diet and it eased the pain alot? I mean thats possible too without PED's right? Imply all you will though.
Duncan and Parkers bodies and jaws dont indicate PED use. Lebron, Kirby, and Wade's do however......
Thats what I tried to say to some in here, and the fact they look like the HULK now as well. Tim? LOL.


They are not even skinny cut either, they have no definition on their arms really at all.

Poolboy5623
07-26-2013, 07:08 PM
It's speculating, for the sake of discussion Sean. No one has proof that anyone has done anything. Relax. For those that think peds are only for the big boys...please explain Lance Armstrong...

Poolboy5623
07-26-2013, 07:10 PM
Timmys not defined? Whaaaat? He had veins popping out of his shoulders this season. Never seen that on Timmy before this year.

Obstructed_View
07-26-2013, 10:50 PM
Tim Duncan sees a modest increase in PER over the previous two seasons to a level he's been at or above 10 yeas out of his career (sometimes WAAAAY above) and people are calling it a career year and saying its likely he's juicing? REALLY?

Last time he averaged more blocks in a season he won MVP.

T Park
07-27-2013, 12:12 AM
:lmao

What a joke.


Just jives with the uptick in play is all.

T Park
07-27-2013, 12:13 AM
Duncan's averages were beating years like 04 05 and 07 where he was at his best. This after looking done for the past two years.

Raises red flags is all.

MannyIsGod
07-30-2013, 03:16 AM
His stat last year were worse than any of those years. His PER was worse by a significant margin as well. Duncan got a bit better than the previous two years last year but really didn't play anywhere near as well as he did in his prime.

cd98
07-30-2013, 06:21 AM
Nothing about Duncan's game remotely looks like PEDS. I find it laughable that anyone would even conclude that. If he came back bulked up, like baseball sluggers, then that's one thing. But his formula has been the opposite...lose weight so the running, jumping, etc has less impact on his body.

Likewise, the other dopers are people like Armstrong and sprinters. Tim is not riding up mountains in the Tour De France. His game is not endurance. That's why he's playing less minutes than ever. And unlike the Sprinters, Tim hasn't increased his speed or jumping ability. In fact, he's adjusted his game to rely even less on athleticism, like more jump shots and fewer dunks.

And his blocks are not because he's jumping higher, it's all based on timing and position. Steroids don't help that. Steroids also don't improve free throw percentage or a jump shot. Those are the real reasons Tim's scoring has gone up.

Can we please stop speculating that Tim is cheating when there is no shrewd of evidence that he is anything other than a fundamentally sound/great player?

SpurAddict561
07-30-2013, 06:37 AM
I could picture Timmy scoffing at the offer of PEDs from one of his doctors. He seems like that kinda guy

xmas1997
07-30-2013, 08:40 AM
Will we, the public, even find out who is using and who isn't?

SpurAddict561
07-30-2013, 10:05 AM
PS Who the fuck is Kirby?

Kobe?

Beaverfuzz
07-30-2013, 02:43 PM
PS Who the fuck is Kirby?

Kobe?

The late Kirby Puckett.

Poolboy5623
07-30-2013, 04:09 PM
Nothing about Duncan's game remotely looks like PEDS. I find it laughable that anyone would even conclude that. If he came back bulked up, like baseball sluggers, then that's one thing. But his formula has been the opposite...lose weight so the running, jumping, etc has less impact on his body.

Likewise, the other dopers are people like Armstrong and sprinters. Tim is not riding up mountains in the Tour De France. His game is not endurance. That's why he's playing less minutes than ever. And unlike the Sprinters, Tim hasn't increased his speed or jumping ability. In fact, he's adjusted his game to rely even less on athleticism, like more jump shots and fewer dunks.

And his blocks are not because he's jumping higher, it's all based on timing and position. Steroids don't help that. Steroids also don't improve free throw percentage or a jump shot. Those are the real reasons Tim's scoring has gone up.

Can we please stop speculating that Tim is cheating when there is no shrewd of evidence that he is anything other than a fundamentally sound/great player?


Basketball Isnt based on endurance? Huh? Gh and test make us, the individual, the best we can be, as we start to age..

Ed Helicopter Jones
07-30-2013, 04:55 PM
Duncan's new diet improved his mobility and reduced swelling in his joints, hence the uptick in performance. That's it.

callo1
07-30-2013, 04:59 PM
It is an extreme oversight to assume that the only people taking steroids or other PEDs are the bulked up athletes. Steroids like Decca-durabolin promote vast reduction in joint pain. MLB pitchers have been on Decca for years because of this. It allows them to pitch more effectively for longer innings, while vastly decreasing their downtime.

HGH actually promotes tissue regeneration, not just in muscle, but in cartilage as well, not to mention the increased red blood cell count which would increase endurance through increased oxygen uptake.

I'm not even remotely implying that Timmy took anything, but rather pointing out that the "eye test" is not a good indicator if they are.

unforeseen
07-30-2013, 09:37 PM
PS Who the fuck is Kirby?

Kobe?

Kirby Bean Bryant.

Winehole23
02-19-2014, 01:38 PM
Major League Baseball has withdrawn its lawsuit against a defunct Florida anti-aging clinic at the center of the scandal involving use of banned substances by players, including New York Yankees (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/nyy/new-york-yankees) star Alex Rodriguez (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3115/alex-rodriguez). Baseball has withdrawn its lawsuit against Biogenesis of America, its owner Anthony Bosch and several other individuals.



A lawyer for MLB, Matthew Menchel, confirmed Wednesday the league dropped its case against Biogenesis of America, its owner Anthony Bosch and several other individuals. The lawsuit had accused Biogenesis and Bosch of conspiring with players to violate their contracts by providing them with banned performance-enhancing substances.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10482465/mlb-drops-lawsuit-biogenesis-anthony-bosch

sammy
02-19-2014, 02:34 PM
Lebroom & Wade are on steroids! You only have to look at the before and after photos to know these jerks are full of steroids!