2006-2008 kobe vs 2011-2013 lebron

[RsxPiimp]

whose the better player? in terms of pure basketball skill and domination.

i pick kobe. if 2006-08 kobe is still playing today, he'd be the best player in the game easily.

[jdiggy0424]

Don't get me wrong, kobe in that period was the best scorer, closer, and most hungry individual during that timespan.
However most of his success barely translated to wins, i.e. him getting knocked out by Phoenix
if I remember correctly wasn't there a point to which the Lakers were actually shopping him around in the trade market?

Also look at Lebrons resume from 2011 to now: 3 Finals appearances, 2 NBA championships.
No comparison really, Lebron is the better player, and it's not even close.

[KaiRMD1]

Easily Lebron, compare those three years and Kobe was only able to get one MVP and finals appearance. Meanwhile, that ol' sport Lebron dominated the league those three years. Sorry ol' sport but it's a landslide in Lebron's favor.

[RsxPiimp]

Don't get me wrong, kobe in that period was the best scorer, closer, and most hungry individual during that timespan.
However most of his success barely translated to wins, i.e. him getting knocked out by Phoenix
if I remember correctly wasn't there a point to which the Lakers were actually shopping him around in the trade market?

Also look at Lebrons resume from 2011 to now: 3 Finals appearances, 2 NBA championships.
No comparison really, Lebron is the better player, and it's not even close.

this is not about team success otherwise i would bring up 2008-2010 kobe where he faced a far better competition to win a title. :lol

its about individual players and their skillz.

[Thebesteva]

Don't get me wrong, kobe in that period was the best scorer, closer, and most hungry individual during that timespan.
However most of his success barely translated to wins, i.e. him getting knocked out by Phoenix
if I remember correctly wasn't there a point to which the Lakers were actually shopping him around in the trade market?

Also look at Lebrons resume from 2011 to now: 3 Finals appearances, 2 NBA championships.
No comparison really, Lebron is the better player, and it's not even close.

How dare you come to this board and talk basketball? Realgm is that way good sir

[spurraider21]

Don't get me wrong, kobe in that period was the best scorer, closer, and most hungry individual during that timespan.
However most of his success barely translated to wins, i.e. him getting knocked out by Phoenix
if I remember correctly wasn't there a point to which the Lakers were actually shopping him around in the trade market?

Also look at Lebrons resume from 2011 to now: 3 Finals appearances, 2 NBA championships.
No comparison really, Lebron is the better player, and it's not even close.

dafuq? how do you gauge how hungry players are? :lol
i dont think hungry players would quit or demand trades tbh

[whitemamba]

Don't get me wrong, kobe in that period was the best scorer, closer, and most hungry individual during that timespan.
However most of his success barely translated to wins, i.e. him getting knocked out by Phoenix
if I remember correctly wasn't there a point to which the Lakers were actually shopping him around in the trade market?

Also look at Lebrons resume from 2011 to now: 3 Finals appearances, 2 NBA championships.
No comparison really, Lebron is the better player, and it's not even close.


ok.. whos trolling with serious takes?

[jdiggy0424]

this is not about team success otherwise i would bring up 2008-2010 kobe where he faced a far better competition to win a title. :lol

its about individual players and their skillz.

Don't get me wrong, as a Spurs fan, I respect the hell out of Kobe. 81 points against the Raptors, 62 points against the Mavs in 3 quarters (pretty sure the Mavs only scored 61), the buzzer beater against the Suns, and even him single handedly decimating the Spurs in 2008; those feats are something to behold.

However the fact remains that LBJ brings it all to the table. He regularly can score 30+ on any given night, brings you terrific defense, phenomenal passing/court vision, leadership, his ability to raise everybody elses game around him, and even now, with his ability to close out games in crunch time situations, put him in my mind a better player than Bryant was from 2006-2008.

Also the fact that he has made 3 Finals appearances, with 2 rings to show for it, certainly helps his cause, and is nothing to sneeze at.

[jdiggy0424]

ok.. whos trolling with serious takes?

Ha nobody bro, I've been a member for a while and a long time spectator of this forum. Just a guy in the military on watch with a computer in front of him, and also a die hard spurs fan.

[jdiggy0424]

dafuq? how do you gauge how hungry players are? :lol
i dont think hungry players would quit or demand trades tbh

Well maybe a poor choice of words, however in my mind I feel kobe was on a mission to separate himself out of O'Neals shadow, almost like he had a chip on his shoulder. Hence the term, "hungry"

[whitemamba]

dafuq? how do you gauge how hungry players are? :lol
i dont think hungry players would quit or demand trades tbh

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[whitemamba]

Ha nobody bro, I've been a member for a while and a long time spectator of this forum. Just a guy in the military on watch with a computer in front of him, and also a die hard spurs fan.

double post. oops.

[whitemamba]

Ha nobody bro, I've been a member for a while and a long time spectator of this forum. Just a guy in the military on watch with a computer in front of him, and also a die hard spurs fan.

ST Salutes your service, although its probably for the wrong cause.

[jdiggy0424]

ST Salutes your service, although its probably for the wrong cause.

Perhaps you are right. Although they feed me 3x a day and I get a place to sleep, and the bills are paid for.

Haha while typing this i realized it almost sounds like i'm in a prison lol

[RsxPiimp]

Don't get me wrong, as a Spurs fan, I respect the hell out of Kobe. 81 points against the Raptors, 62 points against the Mavs in 3 quarters (pretty sure the Mavs only scored 61), the buzzer beater against the Suns, and even him single handedly decimating the Spurs in 2008; those feats are something to behold.

However the fact remains that LBJ brings it all to the table. He regularly can score 30+ on any given night, brings you terrific defense, phenomenal passing/court vision, leadership, his ability to raise everybody elses game around him, and even now, with his ability to close out games in crunch time situations, put him in my mind a better player than Bryant was from 2006-2008.

Also the fact that he has made 3 Finals appearances, with 2 rings to show for it, certainly helps his cause, and is nothing to sneeze at.

my problem with bringing titles is lebron choked pretty bad in 2011 :lol he was excellent in 2012 and he was medicore in 2013 shooting 42% in the finals :lol

he was saved by ray allen in game 6, without jesus, lebron's finals resume looks far worse than any other player in the top 15 of all time.

[jimbo]

my problem with bringing titles is lebron choked pretty bad in 2011 :lol he was excellent in 2012 and he was medicore in 2013 shooting 42% in the finals :lol

he was saved by ray allen in game 6, without jesus, lebron's finals resume looks far worse than any other player in the top 15 of all time.

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[RsxPiimp]

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The begging

[jdiggy0424]

my problem with bringing titles is lebron choked pretty bad in 2011 :lol he was excellent in 2012 and he was medicore in 2013 shooting 42% in the finals :lol

he was saved by ray allen in game 6, without jesus, lebron's finals resume looks far worse than any other player in the top 15 of all time.

Very good point, however as many sports fans know, it always helps to have a little bit of luck on your side. While Ray Allen did save Lebron in game 6 (as well as Popovich for the blunder of not putting in TD in the final seconds), wasn't that the reason ray Allen was brought to Miami? To come up clutch in big moments?

Also in regards to Lebron's FG% in the Finals, i know it sounds a little bit nitpicky, but in my opinion the games that mattered most were 5,6 and 7, when the series was tied 2-2. While I cannot remember off the top of my head how he faired in Game 5, He was phenomenal in both Game 6 and 7. Aren't those the games that matter? Parker was great to start the series, however shit the bed in the final couple of games.

This is why stats in my opinion are flawed. Somebody 20 years from now will look at his stats and be like, "Well he only shot 42% for the Finals, he must've shit the bed", when the reality is he carried his team from the 2nd half and on in Game 6, and finished us off in Game 7 along with D-Wade. This is also the same reason a stat geek will look at both Duncan and Malone's stat totals years from now and think Malone was the better PF, which is obviously false.

Watching the games is 1 thing, nitpicking on stats alone is another.

[HI-FI]

Definetly Lebron. Nigga makes others better, can't say the same for Kobe.


How dare you come to this board and talk basketball? Realgm is that way good sir
What's in your sig? Is that the carpet from The Shining?

[namlook]

Lebron was probably a better player in high school than Kobe was in his NBA prime.

[Thebesteva]

Definetly Lebron. Nigga makes others better, can't say the same for Kobe.


What's in your sig? Is that the carpet from The Shining?

Yes

[Rogue]

It depends on what teammates you surround them with. the 07' Kobe was probably the best scorer the world has ever seen up to this day since Jordan. Dude could score at will and he was clutch as fuck which were all better than today's Lebron, but even the best Kobe couldn't dominate the game the way Bron does. It's a tough call who's the better player individually imho, if you let them go 1on1 then Kobe would probably have a better chance to win, but if you give each of them a team of the same talent level (like the 09-10 Lakers vs. today's Heat) then bron's team would beat Kobe's 5-6 days of a week imho

[Phillip]

its about individual players and their skillz.

no, you specifically said in your first post, skills and domination.

If you want skills, Kobe.

If you want domination, Lebron.

I'd rather have domination any day.

[Phillip]

This is why stats in my opinion are flawed. Somebody 20 years from now will look at his stats and be like, "Well he only shot 42% for the Finals, he must've shit the bed", when the reality is he carried his team from the 2nd half and on in Game 6, and finished us off in Game 7 along with D-Wade.

IIRC Dirk shot around 42% in the 2010 finals.

He certainly didn't shit the bed in that series.

[Phillip]

he was saved by ray allen in game 6, without jesus, lebron's finals resume looks far worse than any other player in the top 15 of all time.

retarded reasoning

might as well take away a couple of MJs titles, since Paxson and Kerr hit game winning jumpshots in various games throughout the series.

[Thread]

no, you specifically said in your first post, skills and domination.

If you want skills, Kobe.

If you want domination, Lebron.

I'd rather have domination any day.

James doesn't dominate. C'mon, Phil. Neither does Kobe. The last player to dominate was Daddy in south Florida.

James is still searching for his game, for his place in the sun. Well, at least he should be searching because he certainly has not found it.

[RsxPiimp]

retarded reasoning

might as well take away a couple of MJs titles, since Paxson and Kerr hit game winning jumpshots in various games throughout the series.
Horrible take again phillip. Did you really just compared jordans situation to lebron?:lmao

The bulls in 93 were not in the brink of elimination unlike Miami in game 6 :lol matter of fact the bulls were up 3-1 at one point. Paxson missing that shot won't make a difference since jordan is almost guaranteed to go ham on the suns in every possession :lmao

Furthermore kerrs shot was made when the game is tied even if he missed the bulls would just win in OT :lol

Allens shot saved lebrons career from elimination, miami had no business winning that game atbthat point until jesusbhappened. Kerr and paxson's shots just gave the mike a headstart to play golf that summer:lol

Phillip you're a dumbfuck

[Thread]

Allens shot saved lebrons career from elimination.


& my seat at this table from elimination as well.

[RsxPiimp]

& my seat at this table from elimination as well.

Well bless you sir. This shithole just became a little bit more bearable with your presence.

[Rogue]

bron makes a wide range of influence on the game than the prime kobe did. If you put them both on the shelf, then I think Bron would be the preferable option for most teams because it's much easier to build a team from ground up around Lebron, for his awesome versatility and adaptability. However, Kobe would be the better choice in certain situations like when you team is trailing by a wide margin and you need as many points as possible, like treating a dead horse as if it was still alive. Sometimes he can save the game by himself miraculously, but you can't expect it to happen every night. Kobe is more like a difference maker while bron is a better cornerstone to build a team around imho. Bron could lead a band of scrubs to the conference finals or even the NBA finals, while Kobe couldn't even get past the 1st round surrounded by scrubs

[RsxPiimp]

Still camt believe he compared the importance of Allen's legacy saving shot to kerr and paxsons :lmao

[Phillip]

Horrible take again phillip. Did you really just compared jordans situation to lebron?:lmao

The bulls in 93 were not in the brink of elimination unlike Miami in game 6 :lol matter of fact the bulls were up 3-1 at one point. Paxson missing that shot won't make a difference since jordan is almost guaranteed to go ham on the suns in every possession :lmao

Furthermore kerrs shot was made when the game is tied even if he missed the bulls would just win in OT :lol

Allens shot saved lebrons career from elimination, miami had no business winning that game atbthat point until jesusbhappened. Kerr and paxson's shots just gave the mike a headstart to play golf that summer:lol

Phillip you're a dumbfuck

Missing the point as usual.

Ray doesnt even have a chance at hitting a big shot like that, if it wasnt for Lebron going apeshit and singlehandedly leading Miami back from being down double digits late in the 4th. Ray's shot also means nothing if it wasn't for Lebron going apeshit in game 7.

Just because someone who isn't the team leader hits a big shot, doesnt mean you should dismiss everything that the leader did to get to that point, or after that point.

[ambchang]

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