San Antonio’s war against Christians…

[CavsSuperFan]

San Antonio’s war against Christians…

This is a flagrant violation of the U.S. Constitution...The San Antonio City Council are a bunch of anti-Christian activists.”

Any person who has either expressed any belief in favor of traditional marriage or in terms of Judeo-Christian morality regarding sexuality in general, verbally or in writing, would be barred from participating in public life on that city council,

The ordinance would ban Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin from serving on the city council.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/san-antonio-proposal-could-bar-christians-from-city-council.html

[leemajors]

sounds good to me

[Winehole23]

viewpoint discrimination?

facially unconstitutional, or so one would think.

[scott]

“No person shall be appointed to a position if the city council finds that such person has, prior to such proposed appointment, engaged in discrimination or demonstrated a bias, by word or deed, against any person, group or organization on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, veteran status, age or disability,” the ordinance reads.

Critics argue that the ordinance could ban Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin from serving on the city council.

IOW, Critics are stupid.

[scott]

San Antonio is also the only major metro area in Texas that doesn't already have this.

[CosmicCowboy]

Interesting


“No person shall be appointed to a position if the city council finds that such person has, prior to such proposed appointment, engaged in discrimination or demonstrated a bias, by word or deed, against any person, group or organization on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, veteran status, age or disability,” the ordinance reads.

When did saying something become an act of discrimination?

[CosmicCowboy]

So a catholic whose faith doesn't believe in gay marriage or abortion should be excluded from not only serving on the city council or being an employee of the city but having a city contract to provide goods or services?

Is that how everyone interprets it?

Does that seem fair?

[Drachen]

San Antonio is also the only major metro area in Texas that doesn't already have this.

I am ignorant on the subject as this is the first I have heard of it so I am reading about it now, but the "everybody's doing it" defense is not a very good one.

[CosmicCowboy]

And I'm talking about a personal belief system and not someone who has actively discriminated against someone.

[ElNono]

So a catholic whose faith doesn't believe in gay marriage or abortion should be excluded from not only serving on the city council or being an employee of the city but having a city contract to provide goods or services?

Is that how everyone interprets it?

Does that seem fair?

I interpret it as a ethics code that regulates hiring, more than anything. For example, if you feel all mexicans are wetbacks but keep it to yourself, that's fine. But if you go around calling people wetbacks, then it's a violation of that code.

In a way, I suspect it's close to what would happen if Trill interviews for a job with you, tbh... once he starts opening his big mouth, you'll probably look elsewhere... :lol

[2centsworth]

"Demonstrated a bias by word"

i love it. Orwellian

[ElNono]

But I would agree with WH that's facially unconstitutional...

[101A]

Could also work against atheists, for instance if they have ever complained about "Bible Thumpers". A bias (I read this as "Any" bias) is a pretty broad brush, it would seem to me. Just about any person who has a public record could be found to have some bias against someone for something, couldn't they? If you mention to someone that you get nervous when a Muslim gets on a plane; if you told someone you thought Christians were always trying to regulate morality because of their bible (shows a bias)...

Basically unless you never draw any conclusions about anyone you meet, they are a complete and utter, equal, blank white (er... neutral color) slate - you can't be hired or work for the city (based on the wording of this law).

Thought policing sucks.

[Halberto]

lol war against christians

"we have the right to take away the rights of others!"

[101A]

lol war against christians

"we have the right to take away the rights of others!"

Bias.

Turn in your resignation.

[boutons_deux]

So a catholic whose faith doesn't believe in gay marriage or abortion should be excluded from not only serving on the city council or being an employee of the city but having a city contract to provide goods or services?

Is that how everyone interprets it?

Does that seem fair?

it doesn't say "believe". believe whatever stupid bullshit you want.

it says: "discrimination or demonstrated a bias, by word or deed"

it doesn't say "Christian" either

[CavsSuperFan]

boutons_deux You are not seeing the bigger picture…

It will get to the point where if a person wants to attend church & remain gainfully employed they will have to do it in secrecy…Perhaps behind a large building in a seedy neighborhood where their colleagues are not likely to see them…The same way Mormons who drink purchase their alcohol in Utah…

[boutons_deux]

"It will get to the point where if a person wants to attend church & remain gainfully employed they will have to do it in secrecy"

CSF, you are not seeing anything, because your eyes and brain are full of shit.

[elbamba]

But I would agree with WH that's facially unconstitutional...

I would hope that there are no public employees in the political forum. Posting in this forum will almost guarentee termination.

[CosmicCowboy]

it doesn't say "believe". believe whatever stupid bullshit you want.

it says: "discrimination or demonstrated a bias, by word or deed"

it doesn't say "Christian" either

Saying your belief to anyone is demonstrating bias by word even if you haven't discriminated by deed.

Gotta admit though. Boutons is consistent. Still a foaming at the mouth idiot.

[CavsSuperFan]

boutons_deux That was a very mean spirited reply...I choose to take the high road...

Do not answer a fool according to his folly or you will be like him yourself…
Proverbs 26:4

[boutons_deux]

boutons_deux That was a very mean spirited reply...I choose to take the high road...

Do not answer a fool according to his folly or you will be like him yourself…
Proverbs 26:4

Oh Lord Almighty on high, deliver me from another Old Testament-thumper who foams at the mouth listening to bullshit from Fox News.

[CavsSuperFan]

A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult...
Proverbs 12:16

[CosmicCowboy]

The San Antonio City Manager not only demonstrates a bias against people that like to drink sodas but actively discriminates against them.

http://www.chron.com/life/mom-houston/article/San-Antonio-city-manager-wages-war-on-sugar-1587877.php

[Winehole23]

Matthew 5:22 says hi

[ElNono]

I would hope that there are no public employees in the political forum. Posting in this forum will almost guarentee termination.

Per what scott posted, seems it doesn't affect current employees, only those seeking to be appointed.

[scott]

Also should be pointed out that City Council members are not appointed, they are elected.

[scott]

The San Antonio City Manager not only demonstrates a bias against people that like to drink sodas but actively discriminates against them.

http://www.chron.com/life/mom-houston/article/San-Antonio-city-manager-wages-war-on-sugar-1587877.php

Which of these classes do people who drink sodas exclusively belong to:

"race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, veteran status, age or disability"

[scott]

Does anyone oppose a policy that says the city will not hire people who have publicly stated "all persons of Anglo decent should be deported back to England?"

[Blake]

Matthew 5:22 says hi

I thought "Jesus wept" was the shortest verse in the Bible

[CitizenDwayne]

lol war against christians

"we have the right to take away the rights of others!"

That's how it sounds to me.

[CosmicCowboy]

Which of these classes do people who drink sodas exclusively belong to:

"race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, veteran status, age or disability"

Valid point. Guess it's still OK to discriminate against fat people.

[scott]

Valid point. Guess it's still OK to discriminate against fat people.

:lol

Yep.

[Winehole23]

Does anyone oppose a policy that says the city will not hire people who have publicly stated "all persons of Anglo decent should be deported back to England?"I think it's foolish to have hiring policies that discriminate wrt political viewpoint. Choosing not to hire outspokenly biased or bigoted people in city government, not so much.

[boutons_deux]

I think it's foolish to have hiring policies that discriminate wrt political viewpoint. Choosing not to hire outspokenly biased or bigoted people in city government, not so much.

so having a bunch wild-eyed, take-back-Texas-for-MX Latinos on the City Council passing all kinds of anti-gringo regulations is "not so much" of a problem?

[Winehole23]

you need to read my post again.

[2centsworth]

These types of laws are what scare me about liberals. Freakin thought police.

[boutons_deux]

These types of laws are what scare me about liberals. Freakin thought police.

believe or think whatever you want. It's discriminatory ACTIONS they're ruling against.

[101A]

believe or think whatever you want. It's discriminatory ACTIONS they're ruling against.

Then why aren't the rules written that way?

[Spurminator]

Yeah I don't like how it's written either.

In practice, I wouldn't expect some kind of blacklisting of people who might adhere to religious principles that go against secular standards of equality, but it needs to more clearly specify that this restriction does not refer to what people say privately.

Failing to do so just gives material to rage-obsessed idiots like the OP and the person who wrote the article.

[TeyshaBlue]

you need to read my post again.

unpossible.

[TeyshaBlue]

I thought "Jesus wept" was the shortest verse in the Bible

nice.

[TeyshaBlue]

believe or think whatever you want. It's discriminatory ACTIONS they're ruling against.

or words.

[Blake]

nice.


:lol

pity post for stupid joke is unnecessary, but thanks

[TeyshaBlue]

:lol

pity post for stupid joke is unnecessary, but thanks

I'm a fan of the stealth joke.:lol

[Clipper Nation]

boutons_deux You are not seeing the bigger picture…

It will get to the point where if a person wants to attend church & remain gainfully employed they will have to do it in secrecy…
:lol As if the jeebotards that control our government would ever let that happen....

[mingus]

You can favor biblical marriage and sexuality and still legislate for equal rights for them. The law makes no distinction does it?

[Winehole23]

:lol

pity post for stupid joke is unnecessary, but thankswas not a joke, believe it or not.

[Winehole23]

unpossible.not unpossible, but very unlikely.

[Chief Brody]

Cristeros, RISE!

[scott]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/articleComments/Hagee-says-changes-make-city-antibias-ordinance-OK-4724295.php

[scott]

Whoops meant this: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Hagee-says-changes-make-city-antibias-ordinance-OK-4724295.php

[Jacob1983]

A ban like this would never work because people lie. You can't read people's minds.

[Blake]

A ban like this would never work because people lie. You can't read people's minds.

John Hagee could never be a city councilman with a ban like this.

So at least there's that.

[boutons_deux]

A ban like this would never work because people lie. You can't read people's minds.

people can cite social media, speeches, docs, etc by city council candidates spouting discrimination.

the opposition to the original text is pure bullshit and strawmen. They claim "freedom of religion" would be violated because they couldn't hate on LGBT AND be on the city council. The city can make its own rules about city council members and that doesn't violate anybody's religion.

Hagee speaks on Glenn Beck so you know, again, that Hagee is a fucking "Christ-like" hater.

[byrontx]

The law seems over-reaching but getting christians to shut the heck up has its appeal. How about stocking the Alamodome up with some lions?

[mouse]

you need to read my post again.

...................Rack! ^

[MannyIsGod]

Does anyone oppose a policy that says the city will not hire people who have publicly stated "all persons of Anglo decent should be deported back to England?"

Yes because its unnecessary. Its thought policing. Its especially stupid for people who are elected to begin with.

[MannyIsGod]

These types of laws are what scare me about liberals. Freakin thought police.

Lets not act like this is a liberal thing only. Pledge of allegiance, ten commandments, flag pins anyone?

[MannyIsGod]

Shit like this is such a distraction and utter bullshit. The ordinance would accomplish a whole hell of a lot of nothing yet its one of the biggest subjects in SA news right now. I'm certain there are 100s of problems if not 1000s that should be addressed instead of shit like this.

[Wild Cobra]

San Antonio is also the only major metro area in Texas that doesn't already have this.
Could you imagine if they banned people for being black?

[Wild Cobra]

Interesting


“No person shall be appointed to a position if the city council finds that such person has, prior to such proposed appointment, engaged in discrimination or demonstrated a bias, by word or deed, against any person, group or organization on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, veteran status, age or disability,” the ordinance reads.

When did saying something become an act of discrimination?
Looks like anyone serving on the council saying people with any traditional values can't serve need to be booted out...

That is a bias, isn't it?

[Wild Cobra]

viewpoint discrimination?

facially unconstitutional, or so one would think.

Absolutely.

This is a clear violation in my view at least.

(now it's time for you to change sides since I agree with you)

[Wild Cobra]

Could also work against atheists, for instance if they have ever complained about "Bible Thumpers". A bias (I read this as "Any" bias) is a pretty broad brush, it would seem to me. Just about any person who has a public record could be found to have some bias against someone for something, couldn't they? If you mention to someone that you get nervous when a Muslim gets on a plane; if you told someone you thought Christians were always trying to regulate morality because of their bible (shows a bias)...

Basically unless you never draw any conclusions about anyone you meet, they are a complete and utter, equal, blank white (er... neutral color) slate - you can't be hired or work for the city (based on the wording of this law).

Thought policing sucks.

LOL...

True.

I was thinking a few minutes ago, this can ban everyone. Who would be left?

[Wild Cobra]

it doesn't say "believe". believe whatever stupid bullshit you want.

it says: "discrimination or demonstrated a bias, by word or deed"

it doesn't say "Christian" either
Read that again...

[Winehole23]

Pledge of allegiance,got its start as an observation of socialist/nationalist Christians who favored a Roman salute, fwiw.

[Winehole23]

gotdam left wing Christians left out God in their version of the pledge

[Winehole23]

what we ever needed one for, for a free people in a great --indeed, world-historically prestigious and influential -- republic, was always bit beyond me, but maybe that's the point.

it's no longer a free republic, it maybe ceased to be one about 10-12 years ago. I am still waiting for our representatives to recover their wits. 12 years on, a few are starting to turn their heads and reassess our tragic response to 9/11, domestically and abroad.

[Winehole23]

(now it's time for you to change sides since I agree with you)bullshit. what side are you on?

[Wild Cobra]

bullshit. what side are you on?
LOL...

It was a joke.

[boutons_deux]

"waiting for our representatives to recover their wits"

the wealth, aka power, of the 1% and corps has increased so much that it will keep the govt compromised, corrupted, and beholden to the corporate/1%'s mere pocket change spent to keep the govt running the country for the 1% and against the 99%.

[2centsworth]

Lets not act like this is a liberal thing only. Pledge of allegiance, ten commandments, flag pins anyone?

Im not making the connection?

[boutons_deux]

or words.

opening your mouth is an action, and especially where lots of other people hear you.

Keeping religious assholes who hate and discriminate publicly out of public office is the best policy.

They are free, ie, not restricted by govt, to "believe" their crazy shit, and hate/exclude/discriminate against women, foreigners, coloreds, LGBT, etc, but all of that disqualifies them from office in a "equal opportunity", secular government that is supposed to serve ALL of society and without imposing the hateful crazies' religious morals and ethics.

[CosmicCowboy]

opening your mouth is an action, and especially where lots of other people hear you.

Keeping religious assholes who hate and discriminate publicly out of public office is the best policy.

They are free, ie, not restricted by govt, to "believe" their crazy shit, and hate/exclude/discriminate against women, foreigners, coloreds, LGBT, etc, but all of that disqualifies them from office in a "equal opportunity", secular government that is supposed to serve ALL of society and without imposing the hateful crazies' religious morals and ethics.

Well, using those parameters Boutons is clearly barred from working for the city. He has a whole shopping cart full of bias's.

[boutons_deux]

Well, using those parameters Boutons is clearly barred from working for the city. He has a whole shopping cart full of bias's.

not bias, but evidence against Repugs, right wingers, mega-corps, etc, etc.

[TeyshaBlue]

http://youtu.be/G2y8Sx4B2Sk

[scott]

Could you imagine if they banned people for being black?

Are being black and hating gay people the moral equivalent to you?

[Blake]

Could you imagine if they banned people for being black?

Or if they banned blacks from being surgeons!

[MannyIsGod]

Im not making the connection?

You don't think there is thought policing going on with both sides of the political spectrum? You think its only liberals? Those are some of the areas where GOP lawmakers have tried to get laws passed in the same way.

IE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/arizona-bills-require-con_n_2568131.html

Its the same shit.

[spursncowboys]

Does anyone oppose a policy that says the city will not hire people who have publicly stated "all persons of Anglo decent should be deported back to England?"
1. Yes I would oppose it.

2. The sitting counsel will decide what is offensive?...job security...

[boutons_deux]

Disabled gay veteran booed by anti-LGBT protestors in San Antonio
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/eric-alva-facebook.jpg


Eric Alva, a gay veteran who was the first Marine seriously injured the Iraq War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Alva), was repeatedly booed by anti-LGBT protestors as he spoke in favor of changes to San Antonio’s anti-discrimination policies that would add protections for sexual orientation, gender identity and veteran status.

A crowd led by several pastors rallied in front of City Hall before moving to the City Council chambers, where over 200 people had signed up to speak for and against the proposed changes. At the rally, Pastor Charles Flowers beseeched the Council to “vote ‘no’ to this ordinance, and ‘yes’ to the reign of the kingdom of God.”

Another opponent, Richard Morales, called the fines for those who violate the ordinance “an infringement on our freedom of speech, our freedom of religion.”

When Alva, a San Antonio native who lost his right when he stepped on a landmine, attempted to address the Council, anti-gay protesters shouted him down. Before he left the podium, Alva directly addressed the protestors: “To all you people that preach the word of God, shame on you because God loves me, like the day I laid bleeding on the sands of Iraq and that’s why he saved me.”

He later wrote on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/eric.alva.9/posts/555580831173186):

“Well I just left city council chambers and I feel like crying. I have never seen a city so divided and hateful towards each other. All of mankind should be ashamed. I already spoke and even some of the religious groups even booed me as I spoke. Such disrespect as they preach the word of God.”


The Council is expected to vote on the ordinance on September 5.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/16/disabled-gay-veteran-booed-by-anti-lgbt-protestors-in-san-antonio/

Christian haters can go fuck themselves and their strawmen: “an infringement on our freedom of speech, our freedom of religion.” :lol