Was Tony Parker the 3rd best PG in the NBA last season?

[TheGreatYacht]

Someone made another thread about Manu being the 3rd best SG in the NBA and of course a lot of Manutards bought into that shit. According to the Hollinger stats on ESPN, Manu was indeed the 4th best SG in the league last season behind Wade, Kobe, and Harden. Since the Manutards use the Hollinger PER stat to support their theory about their God Manu, I want to ask the Spurs homers another question.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of Spurs homers think that Tony Parker is the best PG in the NBA. Well according to Hollinger, Parker was the 3rd best PG in the NBA last season. Are you Spurs homers willing to admit that Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook are better than TP?

I myself don't have too much of a problem with Hollinger's PER stats because according to them, Tim Duncan was the best PF last season which I already knew of course and I don't need some statistician to confirm what my eyes see. Keep in mind that the PER stats don’t really take into account defense. According to the Hollinger PER stats, Carmelo Anthony and Brook Lopez are better than Tim Duncan.

So Manutards and Spurs homers, what is your opinion on this matter?


2012-13 Hollinger NBA Player Statistics - Point Guards


Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Point Guards



RK

PLAYER

GP

MPG

TS% (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/trueShootingPct)

AST (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/assistRatio)

TO (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/turnoverRatio/order/false)

USG (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/usageRate)

ORR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/offReboundRate)

DRR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/defReboundRate)

REBR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/reboundRate)

PER (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/order/false)

VA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/VORP)

EWA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/VORPe)



1

Chris Paul (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2779), LAC

70

33.4

.594

36.9

8.7

23.9

2.8

10.5

6.7

26.43

537.7

17.9



2

Russell Westbrook (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3468), OKC

82

34.9

.532

22.8

10.2

31.2

4.8

11.8

8.6

23.98

554.4

18.5



3

Tony Parker (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1015), SA

66

32.9

.588

27.6

9.4

26.6

1.0

9.1

5.3

23.10

392.7

13.1



4

Kyrie Irving (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=6442), CLE

59

34.7

.553

20.1

11.0

29.2

1.8

10.8

6.1

21.51

321.3

10.7



5

Stephen Curry (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3975), GS

78

38.2

.589

23.5

10.5

25.3

2.3

9.1

5.8

21.34

460.2

15.3



6

John Wall (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=4237), WSH

49

32.7

.521

26.7

11.2

28.7

2.4

11.2

6.8

20.91

236.9

7.9



7

Deron Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2798), BKN

78

36.4

.574

28.6

10.3

24.9

1.2

8.5

4.8

20.38

397.8

13.3



8

Kemba Walker (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=6479), CHA

82

34.9

.517

22.7

9.6

24.8

2.3

9.2

5.7

18.86

335.5

11.2



9

Jose Calderon (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2806), DET/TOR

73

29.6

.616

39.4

9.6

16.5

1.1

8.6

4.8

18.80

251.5

8.4



10

Mike Conley (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3195), MEM

80

34.5

.549

28.0

10.9

21.3

1.8

7.9

4.8

18.38

303.8

10.1




2012-13 Hollinger NBA Player Statistics - Power Forwards


Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Power Forwards



RK

PLAYER

GP

MPG

TS% (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/trueShootingPct)

AST (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/assistRatio)

TO (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/turnoverRatio/order/false)

USG (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/usageRate)

ORR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/offReboundRate)

DRR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/defReboundRate)

REBR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/reboundRate)

PER (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/order/false)

VA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/VORP)

EWA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/VORPe)



1

Tim Duncan (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=215), SA

69

30.1

.554

12.8

10.2

24.8

7.3

29.6

19.1

24.45

401.7

13.4



2

Blake Griffin (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3989), LAC

80

32.5

.572

17.2

10.6

24.0

8.7

21.5

15.2

22.44

424.3

14.1



3

Amar'e Stoudemire (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1727), NY

29

23.5

.637

3.4

12.9

22.8

10.0

15.1

12.4

22.16

108.5

3.6



4

Anthony Davis (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=6583), NO

64

28.8

.559

6.8

9.6

19.9

10.5

23.5

16.8

21.80

283.8

9.5



5

David West (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2177), IND

73

33.4

.545

14.0

10.3

23.0

6.8

18.8

12.9

20.15

314.2

10.5



6

Paul Millsap (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3015), UTAH

78

30.4

.550

14.7

10.1

21.1

8.6

18.8

13.7

19.89

297.4

9.9



7

Dirk Nowitzki (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=609), DAL

53

31.3

.564

13.0

6.9

21.9

2.5

21.5

12.2

19.88

207.6

6.9



8

J.J. Hickson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3437), POR

80

29.0

.591

8.0

13.2

18.0

13.2

28.5

20.7

19.71

315.8

10.5



9

Serge Ibaka (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3439), OKC

80

31.1

.612

4.2

12.1

15.9

11.1

17.0

14.2

19.41

293.3

9.8



10

Kevin Garnett (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=261), BOS

68

29.7

.535

13.2

9.1

21.9

4.5

25.8

15.5

19.25

261.0

8.





2012-13 Hollinger NBA Player Statistics - All Players


Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Players



RK

PLAYER

GP

MPG

TS% (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/trueShootingPct)

AST (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/assistRatio)

TO (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/turnoverRatio/order/false)

USG (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/usageRate)

ORR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/offReboundRate)

DRR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/defReboundRate)

REBR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/reboundRate)

PER (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/order/false)

VA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORP)

EWA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORPe)



1

LeBron James (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1966), MIA

76

37.9

.640

23.3

9.6

28.2

4.4

20.8

13.1

31.67

909.0

30.3



2

Kevin Durant (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3202), OKC

81

38.5

.647

15.5

11.6

27.4

1.8

20.3

11.8

28.35

830.8

27.7



3

Chris Paul (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2779), LAC

70

33.4

.594

36.9

8.7

23.9

2.8

10.5

6.7

26.43

537.7

17.9



4

Carmelo Anthony (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1975), NY

67

37.0

.560

8.3

8.5

32.2

6.1

15.9

10.8

24.83

530.8

17.7



5

Brook Lopez (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3448), BKN

74

30.4

.567

4.8

8.9

26.1

10.8

16.1

13.4

24.81

477.8

15.9



6

Tim Duncan (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=215), SA

69

30.1

.554

12.8

10.2

24.8

7.3

29.6

19.1

24.45

401.7

13.4



7

Dwyane Wade (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1987), MIA

69

34.7

.571

19.3

10.6

27.0

4.7

12.6

8.9

24.04

483.1

16.1



8

Russell Westbrook (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3468), OKC

82

34.9

.532

22.8

10.2

31.2

4.8

11.8

8.6

23.98

554.4

18.5



9

Tony Parker (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1015), SA

66

32.9

.588

27.6

9.4

26.6

1.0

9.1

5.3

23.10

392.7

13.1




Kobe Bryant (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=110), LAL

78

38.6

.570

17.9

10.9

30.0

2.5

13.1

7.9

23.10

566.4

18.9





http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

[spurraider21]

Amare Stoudemire was the 3rd best power forward on the list.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

tl;dr

[Vash StampedE]

He was not just the 3rd, he was the best before he suffered an injury late in the season.
:lol Not watching games and just looking at the box scores

At first you're hating on Manu, now on TP? Who's next? Tim, for missing the game 7 layup?

[cd021]

Caulderon was the 9th best PG? 3 teams in less than 7 months... and $29 million dollar contract. Sounds right to me....

[kobexxx]

ill put Deron Williams at number 3 or 2, then steph curry

[TheGreatYacht]

Amare Stoudemire was the 3rd best power forward on the list.
tl;dr
He was not just the 3rd, he was the best before he suffered an injury late in the season.
:lol Not watching games and just looking at the box scores

At first you're hating on Manu, now on TP? Who's next? Tim, for missing the game 7 layup?:lmao I knew it. What a bunch of hypocrites. Don't hate on the messenger. I'm just pointing out that when the stats favor you homers (Popsuckers & Manutards), you'll are quick to agree such as Manu being the 3rd/4th best SG in the NBA. When they don't favor your team, you'll are quick to disagree. :lol Pussies... homers... smh.

[spurraider21]

:lmao I knew it. What a bunch of hypocrites. Don't hate on the messenger. I'm just pointing out that when the stats favor you homers (Popsuckers & Manutards), you'll are quick to agree such as Manu being the 3rd/4th best SG in the NBA. When they don't favor your team, you'll are quick to disagree. :lol Pussies... homers... smh.

show me where I call Manu a top 3-4 shooting guard. Tard

[ChumpDumper]

Why would third best in the NBA be a bad thing?

[TXstbobcat]

Parker was the best pg in the nba last season.

[Texas_Ranger]

Tony was the best attacking the rim, scoring point guard, overall Paul was still #1, but I'd put TP over Westbrick.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lmao I knew it. What a bunch of hypocrites. Don't hate on the messenger. I'm just pointing out that when the stats favor you homers (Popsuckers & Manutards), you'll are quick to agree such as Manu being the 3rd/4th best SG in the NBA. When they don't favor your team, you'll are quick to disagree. :lol Pussies... homers... smh.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Rogue]

I remember he was even a top3 MVP candidate at one time, closely following the Kang and the circus runner.

[PlayNando]

F U Yacht, tbh. Manutards just proves how low you are on the totem pole.

And, yes, Tony may have been the 3rd-best PG in the NBA last season. Tbh, no statistic is perfect.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Someone made another thread about Manu being the 3rd best SG in the NBA and of course a lot of Manutards bought into that shit. According to the Hollinger stats on ESPN, Manu was indeed the 4th best SG in the league last season behind Wade, Kobe, and Harden. Since the Manutards use the Hollinger PER stat to support their theory about their God Manu, I want to ask the Spurs homers another question.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of Spurs homers think that Tony Parker is the best PG in the NBA. Well according to Hollinger, Parker was the 3rd best PG in the NBA last season. Are you Spurs homers willing to admit that Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook are better than TP?

I myself don't have too much of a problem with Hollinger's PER stats because according to them, Tim Duncan was the best PF last season which I already knew of course and I don't need some statistician to confirm what my eyes see. Keep in mind that the PER stats don’t really take into account defense. According to the Hollinger PER stats, Carmelo Anthony and Brook Lopez are better than Tim Duncan.

So Manutards and Spurs homers, what is your opinion on this matter?


2012-13 Hollinger NBA Player Statistics - Point Guards


Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Point Guards


RK
PLAYER
GP
MPG
TS% (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/trueShootingPct)
AST (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/assistRatio)
TO (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/turnoverRatio/order/false)
USG (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/usageRate)
ORR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/offReboundRate)
DRR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/defReboundRate)
REBR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/reboundRate)
PER (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/order/false)
VA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/VORP)
EWA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/VORPe)


1
Chris Paul (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2779), LAC
70
33.4
.594
36.9
8.7
23.9
2.8
10.5
6.7
26.43
537.7
17.9


2
Russell Westbrook (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3468), OKC
82
34.9
.532
22.8
10.2
31.2
4.8
11.8
8.6
23.98
554.4
18.5


3
Tony Parker (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1015), SA
66
32.9
.588
27.6
9.4
26.6
1.0
9.1
5.3
23.10
392.7
13.1


4
Kyrie Irving (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=6442), CLE
59
34.7
.553
20.1
11.0
29.2
1.8
10.8
6.1
21.51
321.3
10.7


5
Stephen Curry (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3975), GS
78
38.2
.589
23.5
10.5
25.3
2.3
9.1
5.8
21.34
460.2
15.3


6
John Wall (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=4237), WSH
49
32.7
.521
26.7
11.2
28.7
2.4
11.2
6.8
20.91
236.9
7.9


7
Deron Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2798), BKN
78
36.4
.574
28.6
10.3
24.9
1.2
8.5
4.8
20.38
397.8
13.3


8
Kemba Walker (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=6479), CHA
82
34.9
.517
22.7
9.6
24.8
2.3
9.2
5.7
18.86
335.5
11.2


9
Jose Calderon (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2806), DET/TOR
73
29.6
.616
39.4
9.6
16.5
1.1
8.6
4.8
18.80
251.5
8.4


10
Mike Conley (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3195), MEM
80
34.5
.549
28.0
10.9
21.3
1.8
7.9
4.8
18.38
303.8
10.1



2012-13 Hollinger NBA Player Statistics - Power Forwards


Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Power Forwards


RK
PLAYER
GP
MPG
TS% (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/trueShootingPct)
AST (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/assistRatio)
TO (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/turnoverRatio/order/false)
USG (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/usageRate)
ORR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/offReboundRate)
DRR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/defReboundRate)
REBR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/reboundRate)
PER (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/order/false)
VA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/VORP)
EWA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/VORPe)


1
Tim Duncan (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=215), SA
69
30.1
.554
12.8
10.2
24.8
7.3
29.6
19.1
24.45
401.7
13.4


2
Blake Griffin (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3989), LAC
80
32.5
.572
17.2
10.6
24.0
8.7
21.5
15.2
22.44
424.3
14.1


3
Amar'e Stoudemire (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1727), NY
29
23.5
.637
3.4
12.9
22.8
10.0
15.1
12.4
22.16
108.5
3.6


4
Anthony Davis (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=6583), NO
64
28.8
.559
6.8
9.6
19.9
10.5
23.5
16.8
21.80
283.8
9.5


5
David West (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2177), IND
73
33.4
.545
14.0
10.3
23.0
6.8
18.8
12.9
20.15
314.2
10.5


6
Paul Millsap (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3015), UTAH
78
30.4
.550
14.7
10.1
21.1
8.6
18.8
13.7
19.89
297.4
9.9


7
Dirk Nowitzki (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=609), DAL
53
31.3
.564
13.0
6.9
21.9
2.5
21.5
12.2
19.88
207.6
6.9


8
J.J. Hickson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3437), POR
80
29.0
.591
8.0
13.2
18.0
13.2
28.5
20.7
19.71
315.8
10.5


9
Serge Ibaka (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3439), OKC
80
31.1
.612
4.2
12.1
15.9
11.1
17.0
14.2
19.41
293.3
9.8


10
Kevin Garnett (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=261), BOS
68
29.7
.535
13.2
9.1
21.9
4.5
25.8
15.5
19.25
261.0
8.




2012-13 Hollinger NBA Player Statistics - All Players


Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Players


RK
PLAYER
GP
MPG
TS% (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/trueShootingPct)
AST (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/assistRatio)
TO (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/turnoverRatio/order/false)
USG (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/usageRate)
ORR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/offReboundRate)
DRR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/defReboundRate)
REBR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/reboundRate)
PER (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/order/false)
VA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORP)
EWA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORPe)


1
LeBron James (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1966), MIA
76
37.9
.640
23.3
9.6
28.2
4.4
20.8
13.1
31.67
909.0
30.3


2
Kevin Durant (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3202), OKC
81
38.5
.647
15.5
11.6
27.4
1.8
20.3
11.8
28.35
830.8
27.7


3
Chris Paul (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2779), LAC
70
33.4
.594
36.9
8.7
23.9
2.8
10.5
6.7
26.43
537.7
17.9


4
Carmelo Anthony (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1975), NY
67
37.0
.560
8.3
8.5
32.2
6.1
15.9
10.8
24.83
530.8
17.7


5
Brook Lopez (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3448), BKN
74
30.4
.567
4.8
8.9
26.1
10.8
16.1
13.4
24.81
477.8
15.9


6
Tim Duncan (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=215), SA
69
30.1
.554
12.8
10.2
24.8
7.3
29.6
19.1
24.45
401.7
13.4


7
Dwyane Wade (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1987), MIA
69
34.7
.571
19.3
10.6
27.0
4.7
12.6
8.9
24.04
483.1
16.1


8
Russell Westbrook (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3468), OKC
82
34.9
.532
22.8
10.2
31.2
4.8
11.8
8.6
23.98
554.4
18.5


9
Tony Parker (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1015), SA
66
32.9
.588
27.6
9.4
26.6
1.0
9.1
5.3
23.10
392.7
13.1



Kobe Bryant (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=110), LAL
78
38.6
.570
17.9
10.9
30.0
2.5
13.1
7.9
23.10
566.4
18.9




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Well you're a hatertard.

[TE]

Well you're a hatertard.
You sure refuted him there. So much for being in a position to criticize others for not talking basketball tbh. :lol

[Brunodf]

:corn:

[Gibbz]

Never seen someone get as much love without winning anything close to a big game as Chris Paul.

[TheGreatYacht]

I personally thought that Tony Parker was the best point guard in the NBA until he had that injury.

I'm just pointing out these stats to illustrate how quick some Spurs fans approve of these stats when it comes to Manu. Manutards use these stats as proof that their God is a top 4 SG in the NBA.

However when it comes to TP, some Spurs fans are quick to disapprove of these stats. Just because these stats don't show Parker at #1, then the PER stats are wrong according to some Spurs fans.

The point of making this thread was to illustrate how PER doesn't tell it all. Even though the PER stats show Manu at #4, if Manu were to play as many minutes as Wade, Kobe, and Harden, we all know that Manu wouldn't be as effective and he would probably be an above-average SG in the NBA.