What could the Spurs get for Nazr?

[Marcus Bryant]

Just wondering. The Spurs have a number of above average quality starting NBA centers and only so many minutes to dole out.

[Mr. Body]

Do you ever stop posting?

[Marcus Bryant]

Do you?

[Kori Ellis]

MrBody, if you don't like the threads - don't open them. I'm quite sick of your nagging.

[Duncanoypi]

Mr Body is nobody...

[timvp]

Mr. Body is a confusing character. He tells people not to talk about Shareef Abdur-Rahim because surely he'd never sign for the MLE. The next thread, he complains about the targeted player not being good enough.

[Kori Ellis]

To address the subject in this thread, I think that the Spurs could easily get one of Memphis' SF's for Nazr.

[timvp]

I think that the Spurs could get a lot for Nazr. He's a top ten center and he's in the last year of his contract. That is VERY attractive to teams around the league.

The Spurs would be set for the next five years if they can deal Nazr/Rasho and Scola for a very good perimeter talent.

[Duff McCartney]

I don't think the Spurs should be dealing Nazr. They should be dealing out Rasho, not Mohammed.

[Duncanoypi]

One main target...

Nazr for Battier...

[Kori Ellis]

I don't think the Spurs should be dealing Nazr. They should be dealing out Rasho, not Mohammed.


So, they should trade Rasho and then next summer when Nazr likely walks for more money, be left with Oberto as the only center?

[spurschick]

To address the subject in this thread, I think that the Spurs could easily get one of Memphis' SF's for Nazr.

I wouldn't mind taking a look at Hakim Warrick - perhaps a good protegé for Bruce?

[Marcus Bryant]

It would be up to Oberto to make Nazr (or Rasho) easily expendable.

[Mr. Body]

Mr. Body is a confusing character. He tells people not to talk about Shareef Abdur-Rahim because surely he'd never sign for the MLE.

I don't recall having said that. My stance on Abdur-Rahim with little variance was that he likely wanted to play for a playoff team and that he wanted a starting position, so that he could take advantage of his God-given abilities. And that San Antonio was not a likely destination for him, despite the woodies sported by highly prominent members of this forum.

And LO! that is what happened. He went to New Jersey.

But thanks for the misrepresentation.


The next thread, he complains about the targeted player not being good enough.

I have no idea what thread or what targeted player you're talking about here.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't recall having said that. My stance on Abdur-Rahim with little variance was that he likely wanted to play for a playoff team and that he wanted a starting position, so that he could take advantage of his God-given abilities. And that San Antonio was not a likely destination for him, despite the woodies sported by highly prominent members of this forum.

And LO! that is what happened. He went to New Jersey.

But thanks for the misrepresentation.



I have no idea what thread or what targeted player you're talking about here.


Whatever.

Contribute, or don't. But stop nagging in multiple threads.

[Duff McCartney]

So, they should trade Rasho and then next summer when Nazr likely walks for more money, be left with Oberto as the only center?

Me personally I don't think Nazr would walk away from the Spurs. I mean he won a title here...he doesn't seem like the selfish type of player.

I don't expect him to work for peanuts, but I think the Spurs could easily use the MLE for next season on him.

[gospursgojas]

One main target...

Nazr for Battier...

Id rather see Rasho for Battier, but it doesnt matter what I think and Memphis would probally rather have Nazr

[Marcus Bryant]

Me personally I don't think Nazr would walk away from the Spurs. I mean he won a title here...he doesn't seem like the selfish type of player.

I don't expect him to work for peanuts, but I think the Spurs could easily use the MLE for next season on him.


What if Oberto pans out? You'd have him and Rasho at the 5 and you'd be able to move Nazr to address other team needs (ie 3).

[timvp]

I don't recall having said that. My stance on Abdur-Rahim with little variance was that he likely wanted to play for a playoff team and that he wanted a starting position, so that he could take advantage of his God-given abilities. And that San Antonio was not a likely destination for him, despite the woodies sported by highly prominent members of this forum.

And LO! that is what happened. He went to New Jersey.

But thanks for the misrepresentation.

You said that the Spurs couldn't get him. You laughed at everyone who targeted SARS.

Then he goes out and signs an MLE deal. You acted as if there was no way to get him here.

But you are forgiven because that was back when you were building the Scola Shrine.




I have no idea what thread or what targeted player you're talking about here.

Do you read your own posts? Check out what Mr. Body said in the Stepania, Waltah and Jacobsen threads that are currently on the front page.

It'd be nice if you'd indicate a player that you'd want the Spurs to get ... other than Scola. For the last month, all you've done is either tell Spurs fans they are aiming too high or aiming too low.

[ace3g]

Oberto will pan out just like Scola would if he were playing for us next season, trust me.

what available SF does memphis have besides Battier

[Kori Ellis]

what available SF does memphis have besides Battier

Their swingmen: Battier, Bonzi Wells, James Posey, Mike Miller

[spurschick]

YYou laughed at everyone who targeted SARS.

:lmao I know his initials are SAR, but when did we start calling Rahim SARS?

[ducks]

does anyone know if the spurs have tried to extend him?

[ducks]

rasho has a VERY FAIR CONTRACT FOR BIG MEN NOW
I would think some teams might want him because they know he will not bolt on them and know how much he will make for long time

with nazr they do not

[Marcus Bryant]

does anyone know if the spurs have tried to extend him?

Nothing in print so far. You'd think if the Spurs were serious about keeping him they'd make an attempt at it.

[Mr. Body]

timvp: On the first point you're basically supporting me. I never said or thought or believed SAR would get more than the MLE. I never really thought a sign-and-trade was going to happen. I thought (and knew and was right) that he wouldn't go to the Spurs because he'd be stuck on the bench.

And people, I could give a good crap about Scola as a player or a person. God forbid somebody sticks up for players' rights.

Your last sentence was a mighty dangling thing and had no context to anything. Now that there's some context: Stepania, Walter McCarty, Jacobsen, are all complete scrubs and not worth mention. I mean that utterly: they're not worth putting into the 12th man slot. Maybe for New Orleans or even some second tier team with roster spots to fill, but the Spurs have a historical luxury of picking and chosing some elect player that can truly fill a role and be important down the stretch. We're quibbling about deep bench players, but we're talking about filling out possibly the deepest bench in the league. Talking bush league - maybe in 2001, not 2005.

For the record, I'm absolutely out on Scola and support trading his rights and god bless.

And since everyone's so high to hear my thoughts on 12th man, I'm pulling for a resign of Glenn Robinson.

[ducks]

Nothing in print so far. You'd think if the Spurs were serious about keeping him they'd make an attempt at it.
did they not try to extend tp after fa's coudl get signed
and with the new cba not being done yet....

[Marcus Bryant]

Yeah, it's a shame that we have discussions in this forum about guys who the Spurs, with about half of their MLE, LLE, and vet minimum contracts are realistically going to use to fill out their roster.

Read or scroll. Read or scroll.

[Kori Ellis]

Now that there's some context: Stepania, Walter McCarty, Jacobsen, are all complete scrubs and not worth mention. I mean that utterly: they're not worth putting into the 12th man slot.

We are talking about filling the 11th through 15th spots. It's what we do in the summers - we talk about filling the roster. If you don't want to be part of the discussion, that's cool. But your nagging in every thread is beyond tiresome.

[spurschick]

I mentioned Hakim Warrick earlier... I know he's a draft pick, but does anyone else think this guy might fit in well with the Spurs? Especially if the Grizzlies are looking at a trade for Nazr?

[TheTruth]

if the hawks don't get curry, send Nazr to the Hawks for Josh Childress. The hawks have too many swingmen as it is.

[timvp]

:lmao I know his initials are SAR, but when did we start calling Rahim SARS?

I think it has it's roots go back when a poster known as Flea Flicker proposed a Jerome Kersey for Shareef Abdur-Rahim thread. We suggested that he go get checked out for SARS because he had to be sick to come up with that trade.

:smokin

[Duncanoypi]

SARS is a very dangerous disease here in Asia...hahaha

[milkyway21]

SARS is a very dangerous disease here in Asia...hahaha:lol it's from China or Hongkong, man.

hey Duncanoypi, my NBA favorite team San Antonio Spurs won the title. Then, last week my PBA team San Miguel, won the title too against the Talk & Text Phonepals.

I guess this is my lucky year huh?:lmao

[Duncanoypi]

I guess so milky! im tired of my team Purefoods...always a lottery team...hehe

[milkyway21]

if the hawks don't get curry, send Nazr to the Hawks for Josh Childress. The hawks have too many swingmen as it is.i like him but is Curry healthy enough to play next season? or until the next playoffs?

I'd rather have Nazr.

BTW, how about Chandler? Is he being shopped? or is he locked with the Bulls?

[BehaviorDisorder]

If the spurs really have to trade naz, id like to see him shipped to the Hornets for Speedy Claxton and __________.

I miss the stability that speedy brought to the point guard position.

[Supreme Allah]

:lmao I know his initials are SAR, but when did we start calling Rahim SARS?

People started calling him SARS once they realized that Supreme Allah Reigns Supreme!!!

[dunkman]

I would rather trade Rasho, than Nazr. I'm not sure if Nazr is the better player, but I think he is better fit for the Spurs. IMO, Rasho could get exposed on a tough playoffs series.

BTW
Isnt only, Allah Reigns Supreme?
SARS isnt that desease that has killed many in China and Canada?

[Supreme Allah]

BTW
Isnt only, Allah Reigns Supreme?
SARS isnt that desease that has killed many in China and Canada?

Yes Allah does reign supreme. But so do I!

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Mr. Body,

Being one of the founding fathers of fullsportpress, allow me to inject myself and update you on three things you need to know about this forum;

1. It's probably the best online forum out there and it's run by really super people, including myself.

2. timvp learnt everything he knows from me, so besting him in a debate is a waste of time.

3. Some people have jobs and work for a living, Marcus Bryant starts 18-20 threads per day- live with it. Occasionally he does incite some interesting dialogue and for whatever reason, timvp likes him.

I personally enjoy your takes Mr. Body but Kori is right, bring something more than just incessant whining if you want to stand out here. If you so desire, I can FedEx you some of my classic, awe-inspiring, jaw-dropping, 5k viewed threads if you're looking for someone to model yourself after, I'll even pay the shipping.

Keep it real, stay focused.

[smeagol]

Mr. Body,

Being one of the founding fathers of fullsportpress, allow me to inject myself and update you on three things you need to know about this forum;

1. It's probably the best online forum out there and it's run by really super people, including myself.

2. timvp learnt everything he knows from me, so besting him in a debate is a waste of time.

3. Some people have jobs and work for a living, Marcus Bryant starts 18-20 threads per day- live with it. Occasionally he does incite some interesting dialogue and for whatever reason, timvp likes him.

I personally enjoy your takes Mr. Body but Kori is right, bring something more than just incessant whining if you want to stand out here. If you so desire, I can FedEx you some of my classic, awe-inspiring, jaw-dropping, 5k viewed threads if you're looking for someone to model yourself after, I'll even pay the shipping.

Keep it real, stay focused.

:lmao

[spurster]

The Spurs could get a good SF trading Nazr, but taking into account the Spurs rep for being thrifty/cheap, and the fact that the Spurs already have a very good swingman rotation (Manu, Bruce, Brent, plus probably Devin), I expect the Spurs to wait and see how Nazr, Rasho, and Oberto perform, and to keep the option of just letting Nazr go after next season.

[Marcus Bryant]

Walton seems obsessed with my current occupation. Well, once he manages to move out of the busboy and porno theater janitor end of the labor market, he will find that you have a little more discretion when it comes to surfing during the day.

Walton needs to mind his own business and try to find a way out of the one bedroom apartment he shares with TwoManJam up there in the Great White North.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Ah, the Great White North, a place where thirteen year olds don't blow each other away with semi-automatics, our political leader can spell the word "Iraq" and our perception in the global scheme of things is not one that immediately incites laughter......hmmm maybe I should move to the States? Lots to be proud of there....

Damn I wish I was American man! Yeah! Let's nuke the bastards! Then sit around in our mobile homes eating our tv dinners wondering why we're the laughing stock of the ENTIRE world and the same people we trained are now plotting to kill us.....seems intelligent.

Can you say "a shadow of it's former self"? Can you say "in ruins"? That's America for you. But telling that to a guy as dumb and ignorant and 'American' as Marcus Bryant is like trying to sell the war in Iraq to a person with above average intelligence......

Since you constantly feel the necessity to bring my Canadian heritage into everything you formulate, I figured I'd bring you back to Earth.

Check out the American flag, you have red, blue and white;

Red: In Favor of the War in Iraq
White: Against the War in Iraq
Blue: Not knowing where Iraq is

But the world's a safer and better place since 9-11 right? More Americans have been killed in Iraq than in Vietnam......and last time I checked they're still looking for those weapons.

[spurschick]

Are girls, besides Kori, not allowed to participate in this discussion? :wtf

[Extra Stout]

Me personally I don't think Nazr would walk away from the Spurs. I mean he won a title here...he doesn't seem like the selfish type of player.

I don't expect him to work for peanuts, but I think the Spurs could easily use the MLE for next season on him.I don't think that's realistic. Somebody will throw $50 million over five years at him -- it's really doubtful he'd settle for $30-$37 million over 5-6 years just to stay a Spur. He could do a lot of good in the world with that extra $13-$20 million. That's a lot of money to give up, especially when he's already won his ring.

[SenorSpur]

If you move Rasho, then you'll free up some cap space needed should you decide to resign Nazr. First, let's see what Nazr does this season.

[Mr. Body]

I personally enjoy your takes Mr. Body but Kori is right, bring something more than just incessant whining if you want to stand out here. If you so desire, I can FedEx you some of my classic, awe-inspiring, jaw-dropping, 5k viewed threads if you're looking for someone to model yourself after, I'll even pay the shipping.

I am backing off because I am making a fool out of myself. I never meant to "make a name for myself" but got exercised at a time I could post quite a bit. I'll cool my heels a little. I do have legitimate issues, but they're not a big deal, though will state them for the last time and be done with it:

1. People making fun of Scola for wanting something and getting pissed it didn't happen. Whatever the story turns out to be in the end, even if it is his and his agent's fault, it wasn't sitting right with me to call him a whiner who wasn't very talented, anyway. I found myself defending him to the point that suddenly I had some "manlove" for him and he was now my favorite player. There was some pettiness involved here.

I was reminded of when I tried to get the forum to stop referring to Mohammed as "Nazi" and use his real name of "Nazr," since the former was all kinds of disrespectful. There was a kind of reflexive, playful, juvenile refusal to do at first.

2. Marcus Bryant's posts I truly do believe wash good threads off the main board and out of sight to most viewers. True, I adopted the wrong tone in addressing it, which I got to by exasperation. He's a well respected member, and for good reason, and there was a clannishness in protecting him from the hierarchy, which is perfectly fine. But there's no reason I can't ridicule bad ideas the same as anyone else. My mistake was in calling into question his role as discussion-provider. His defensiveness whenever anybody shot an idea down - "Casey Jacobson has no game" - with - "oh, well then who would you come up with?" - doesn't really help, but I recognize the desire to keep discussions going, spinning like so many plates.

Summertimes are rife with trades and signings that will not and cannot ever happen. Will not because they don't make basketball sense for the involved parties (SAR to San Antonio) and others because they break rules (Rasho for Josh Childress type ideas). I guess I thought of myself as some kind of avenging angel trying to set people straight and discuss realistic things that could ever transpire. But I didn't grasp that most people really do like to fantasize about having Rashard Lewis backing up Bowen, a trade that lead to the Sonics GM getting fired and general mutiny. Grasping better through my thick skull the nature of the forum, I'll back off and look for the threads suited to my tastes and stop vainly and misguidedly to rain on people's parades.

It's a great site. I've felt it better than SpursReport. It's a long summer and little actually happens. I'm going back to intermittant posts on intermittant topics, like I ever wanted to.

[Marcus Bryant]

Walton, that was weak, even for you.

Mr. Body, you're another inmate here like the rest of us. "Know your role", to quote another.

[ChumpDumper]

I mentioned Hakim Warrick earlier... I know he's a draft pick, but does anyone else think this guy might fit in well with the Spurs? Especially if the Grizzlies are looking at a trade for Nazr?I think Warrick is the last swingman West would consider trading after losing Swift.

[Kori Ellis]

Marcus Bryant's posts I truly do believe wash good threads off the main board and out of sight to most viewers.


This is something that you keep repeating that I don't get.

Right now (for example), there's only 4 threads started by Marcus Bryant on the first page. We start mulitple threads on possible free agent signings every summer. And certainly during the hour when Marcus Bryant or timvp sit down and start multiple threads, they are all on the first page.

But then people go into the threads and post whether it's possible for the Spurs, good fit or not, what other team may want them, latest news on the player, etc. If it's a "bad thread" then it will easily fall out of the first few pages in just a matter of hours. But if people like you go into the thread and keep saying in essence, "this thread sucks" -- then the thread rises back to the top. So in reality, YOU were washing the "good threads" off the main board. What I'm trying to say is that the forum is basically self-correcting.

I explained to you the first day that the "Free Agent:" posts were here this summer that this is what we do. This forum is for discussion; it's not just about posting news. So, if Spurs fans want to talk about the possibility of trading for stars, complaining about Scola not taking care of his buyout, or look for prospects to fill the 15th spot on the roster, that's what we do here.

I'm glad you like the forum, but your nagging was excessive and misdirected.

Everyone get back to the topic at hand.
Thanks.

[spurschick]

I think Warrick is the last swingman West would consider trading after losing Swift.

If we're going for a trade with Memphis for Nazr, I would definitely want something good in return. I don't see them giving up Battier, although I would definitely take him. I don't have much interest in Humphrey. They picked up two Forwards, Warrick and Roberts, in the draft - maybe they would be willing to part with one. My thoughts are towards someone that Bruce could take under his wing. I think a rookie would be a great sponge.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, but I think Posey is the most tradeable at this point. Battier is BYC so deals for him get complicated, Warrick fills a void (trades for him would require our taking back more players too) and Miller seems to be very critical for that team's success.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'd want back more than Battier for Nazr. Maybe it's just me, but I think Memphis should be giving up a little bit more in that scenario.

Spurs could rent some of Atlanta's cap space to address the BYC issues. Also, the Spurs have dealt with the Hawks and Grizz before.

[spurschick]

I don't think that Posey would be a bad pickup, but it doesn't address the need for someone to groom at the SF position. Posey has already been in the league for six years. Battier for four. I think both would add to the Spurs, I would just like to see a younger player. However, this might end up being addressed with a Summer League player.

[ChumpDumper]

Remember Viktor Sanikidze will be 20 next year.

[Marcus Bryant]

Here's a crazy idea, 3 way deal between the Spurs, Hawks and Grizz. Grizz end up with Rasho, Spurs end up with Battier or Posey or whatever Memphis small forward plus a pick from the Hawks and the Hawks end up with Scola's rights.

[spurschick]

Here's a crazy idea, 3 way deal between the Spurs, Hawks and Grizz. Grizz end up with Rasho, Spurs end up with Battier or Posey or whatever Memphis small forward plus a pick from the Hawks and the Hawks end up with Scola's rights.

Yahtzee!

[SenorSpur]

At this point, why would anyone entertain trading our best option (excluding Tim) at the 5 spot?

[wildbill2u]

To address the subject in this thread, I think that the Spurs could easily get one of Memphis' SF's for Nazr.

But do you swap a good big man for a good SF even up? Nasr for Battier? With Bigs being at a premium, shouldn't we get something more for Nasr?

[Marcus Bryant]

At this point, why would anyone entertain trading our best option (excluding Tim) at the 5 spot?

Because he only has one year on his deal, he will be too costly for Holt Cat to want to retain and you have two good, not great, guys at that position under contract for the next 3 seasons at rather reasonable prices.

Sure, we virtual GMs would love to sign up Nazr to whatever extension he wants, but knowing how the Spurs like to operate, dealing Nazr and keeping Rasho and Oberto seems like the likely outcome.

[SenorSpur]

No way I'd keep Rasho over Nazr. The kind of aggressiveness that Nazr possesses cannot be learned and Rasho - despite being a better shooter and shot-blocker - doesn't have it. Deal Rasho and keep Mr. Hands of Stone

[Marcus Bryant]

No way I'd keep Rasho over Nazr. The kind of aggressiveness that Nazr possesses cannot be learned and Rasho - despite being a better shooter and shot-blocker - doesn't have it. Deal Rasho and keep Mr. Hands of Stone


What if Oberto proves to be just as good as either of them? Do you deal Rasho and then face the prospect of losing both him and Nazr or do you keep Rasho and his much more affordable deal?

You're right, Nazr's game leaves a lot to be desired, yet he is going to cost much more than the 4 years and $30 mil left on Rasho's deal.

[SenorSpur]

What if Oberto proves to be just as good as either of them? Do you deal Rasho and then face the prospect of losing both him and Nazr or do you keep Rasho and his much more affordable deal?

You're right, Nazr's game leaves a lot to be desired, yet he is going to cost much more than the 4 years and $30 mil left on Rasho's deal.

Good point. I hadn't considered that. I've also not seen anything from Oberto to be able to make a case for or against. The fact is Rasho is 7 ft and Nazr is at least 6'11". Both can man the paint adequately. Can Oberto come in and be a presence and a factor at the NBA 5 level and thereby making on or the other expendable? Maybe Oberto should be playing the summer league?

I'm sure the Spurs would want to see what Nazr can do with a full year under his belt. The only risk in that is allowing some team with mad cap space to throw "crazy money" at him next summer (i.e. Atlanta, LA Clippers, et all).

If they prefer Nazr, and all indications seem to point that way, they'll have to unload Rasho now.

In my mind, I feel Nazr would probably take a bit less to stay here because he likes the structured environment and, of course, he just won a ring.

[Marcus Bryant]

Trust me, I'd prefer Nazr to Rasho.

[Controlled_Chaos]

I don't think the Spurs are going to commit to Nazr/Rasho. They would most like wait till Feb deadline to see who pans out between the two. I wouldn't be surprised if they keep both of them until the end of next season...

[zeleni]

Trust me, I'd prefer Nazr to Rasho.

I trust you. But I trust Rasho much more. And he has given me more to consider than you.

So what has Nazr given? A clear run to a title, that was more or less given to us even in season before ( .4 is still considered as miracle, like Maradona's sacred hand), a great performance for a fresh Spur, but a lousy finals game.

Rasho is a keeper. Trust me. I am, like you, objective. ;)

[Frenchise player]

There isn't many good defensive SF I would trade for Nazr.
Pietrus, Prince are the only ones I can think of.
I am not very high on Battier. He never played well in the playoff and I am worried about his ability to raise the intensity of his game.

But I think the best choice is to wait until the ASG to see which of our three center will start and then think about trading one of them.

[wildbill2u]

Here's a crazy idea, 3 way deal between the Spurs, Hawks and Grizz. Grizz end up with Rasho, Spurs end up with Battier or Posey or whatever Memphis small forward plus a pick from the Hawks and the Hawks end up with Scola's rights.

I'm not sure why the Hawks would be involved here in a three way deal? Why not just make a straight deal with the Hawks for Scola's rights?

[Marcus Bryant]

Because Battier is a BYC player or that some of the other Memphis 3s don't make enough to make a straight up deal between Memphis and SA work.

[spur219]

No make Nazr sign his extension now