Beta Males showdown : Pippen vs Kobe... and the winner is ....

[lefty]

NBA titles as beta male:

- Pippen : 6
- Kobe :5


Who won titles in a tougher era :

- Pippen

Better defensive player :

- Pippen

Better playmaker :

- Pippen

Better scorer :

- Kobe, but that's because he jacks up shots left and right; if Pippen was a chucker, he would have averaged 30 ppg TBH; plus, Pippen didnt have a dominating big in Chicago; he could have been more wide open if he had one

Who played in the best USA basketball team ever ... well the greatest basketball team period :

- Pippen

Better Beta male when there was no Alpha male around :

- Pippen : in 93-94, when Jordan couldn't hit a baseball, he led a bunch of scrubs to 55 wins, and they came close to make it to the ECF in a tough and physical EC .... whereas Kobe ... do I need to elaborate ?





The Winnar :


http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.201286!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/alg-pippen-jordan-jpg.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

Not a fair comparison - Kirby is a gamma at best, tbh....

[lefty]

Not a fair comparison - Kirby is a gamma at best, tbh....
Good point

[HI-FI]

lefty with the meticulously researched truth bombs per par.

[Arnold Toht]

Kobe: 2
Pippen: 0

[spurraider21]

Kobe: 2
Pippen: 0

Dirk 1

[Michael Jordan.]

Kobe: 2
Pippen: 0
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldwhzbTv0W1qzb7vjo1_500.png

[ambchang]

Never thought of it this way, but excellent analysis.

Three cheers for everyone.

[Kool Bob Love]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Kobe%20Bryant/VS/Scottie%20Pippen/d2757546.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4im7epw7J1qh7tk8o1_500.jpg

[Arnold Toht]

Pretty sure Scotty couldn't do this:

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/270403-2/Kobe+Bryant+poses+with+both+Larry+O_Brien+trophy+a nd+his+2009+NBA+Finals+MVP+trophy.jpg

[Arnold Toht]

Dirk 1

Dirk: 1 finals victory over the big 3 Heat

[lefty]

Pretty sure Scotty couldn't do this:

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/270403-2/Kobe+Bryant+poses+with+both+Larry+O_Brien+trophy+a nd+his+2009+NBA+Finals+MVP+trophy.jpg
Sure Kobe cant win without a dominating big

[Arnold Toht]

Sure Kobe cant win without a dominating big

And Pippen could win without the GOAT? :lol

[lefty]

Of course not

But as far as betamaling, Pippen wins

[Arnold Toht]

^ which means Kobe is an alpha male :lol spuds

[lefty]

dat logic

[Clipper Nation]

At least Kirby outdoes Pippen in quits:::

Pippen: 1

Kirby: 3 & counting

[lefty]

At least Kirby outdoes Pippen in quits:::

Pippen: 1

Kirby: 3 & counting

And Pippen had a migraine

Kobe quitperiod without any migraine or injury

[Rogue]

Kobe, without a superstar playing alongside his ass, is as much of a virgin to the 2nd round as T-Mac (He's still a 2nd round virgin technically, since he didn't play at all in the series vs. the warriors), and as Rogue is in his personal life.

[Michael Jordan.]

My nigga Rogue droppin troofbombs.

[Michael Jordan.]

At least Kirby outdoes Pippen in quits:::

Pippen: 1

Kirby: 3 & counting

Actually 5 quits. Quit on Charlotte, then the 3 years he couldn't make it out the 1st with no dominant big, then game 6 in 2008.

[Michael Jordan.]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/563671_10151465929398463_687941925_n.jpg

[Arnold Toht]

^ Kobe was thinkin' 2>1

[lefty]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/563671_10151465929398463_687941925_n.jpg
Lol he wants to rape the trophy ...


But srsly, Kobe is sitting behind Shaq



Here, Pippen is not sitting behind MJ :

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1008/scottie.pippen.rare.photos/images/jordan-pippen-harper.jpg

[DMC]

I made this comparison already. If Pippen had won 2 finals MVPs after Jordan retired, ended up with 8 rings, he's still not top 5 all time. How then is a 3 less title having same 2 Finals MVP winning Kobe Bryant considered top 5 by laker fag?

[Clipper Nation]

Actually 5 quits. Quit on Charlotte, then the 3 years he couldn't make it out the 1st with no dominant big, then game 6 in 2008.

That's true, plus he quit on the Nets before Charlotte, so that makes 6 quits....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That's true, plus he quit on the Nets before Charlotte, so that makes 6 quits....
Game 4 against Dallas in 2011

lucky number 7

[Andy]

6 & 28 really left a mark, deep trauma forever engraved in spurfan's memory.

The humiliation has such epic proportions that spurfans shitted on their own Cuckan and instead spent the entire off season dick riding MJ and Pippen :lmao

[Vash StampedE]

Both were very great players but the answer is obvious... the one who didn't force himself to be the alpha and accept the better player on the team to be the alpha.

[lefty]

6 & 28 really left a mark, deep trauma forever engraved in spurfan's memory.

The humiliation has such epic proportions that spurfans shitted on their own Cuckan and instead spent the entire off season dick riding MJ and Pippen :lmao
Actually that would be 6/24

The stat of a beta male in game 7

[Andy]

Actually that would be 6/24

The stat of a beta male in game 7

True betas get benched by their senile coaches when they're 28 seconds away from a ring without saying a word.

[Arnold Toht]

^ damn :rollin

[irishock]

I find the hype about Kobe to be extreme. He is a great player but imo he is very overrated.

Remember after Shaq left and before they got Gasol we got to see Kobe lead a team with minimal talent around him. It was mainly him, Odom, and Fisher. During those 3 seasons, Kobe and the Lakers failed to make the playoffs once and lost in the first round twice. One of those first round losses was to the Suns where Amare did not play for the entire seires. That's right- the Lakers lost to the Suns without Amare in a 7 games series yet Kobe got no flack for that. It was only after they got Gasol that they made it past the first round.

Kobe also gets no flack for taking games off like he did in the game 6 loss in the 2008 NBA finals that gave Boston the title. (7 of 22 shooting, 22 points 3 rebounds 1 assist). No one mentioned a word about Kobe quiting in that game.

But anyways here are Kobe's stats in all of the NBA finals he has been in:

2000 NBA Finals

Shaq- 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157----6 games
Kobe-16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90----5 games

MVP= Shaq. Shaq performs MUCH better than Bryant who shoots a pathetic 36 percent. Also Shaq was doubled covered while Kobe was left with less coverage but even then Shaq did much better.

2001 NBA Finals

Shaq- 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG-----5 games
Kobe- 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG------5 games

MVP= Shaq. Shaq performs MUCH better than Bryant who shoots 41%.. Also Shaq was doubled covered while Kobe was left with less coverage but even then Shaq did much better.

2002 NBA Finals

Shaq- 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG----4 games
Kobe-26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG-------4 games

MVP= Shaq again. Same old story- Shaq gets doubled coverage yet he still out performs Kobe big time.

Total average stats for 3 championships (15 games)=

Shaq=36 PPG, 15.4 RPG, 3.7 APG, 3 BPG, 209/351 60% FG, Double coverage
Kobe=20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1 BPG, 113/266 42% FG, Single coverage

Tell me, who was the big player in the finals for the Lakers? Obviously Shaq. To give Kobe credit for these championships like you would give Duncan, Shaq, MJ, Hakeem etc credit for their championships is a JOKE. Shaq was BY FAR the best player on those teams period.

Kobe is one of the most overrated bball players of all time. I would still rank him about #16 all time, which is good but most people are hit by the hype and rank him top 10 which is very untrue.

Now let’s take a look at Kobe’s other 3 championship appearances, 2 of which were losses. In a few weeks from now I predict that Kobe will have another championship appearance and a championship loss to Boston.


2004 NBA finals 5 games loss
Shaq= 27 PPG, 11 RPG, 2 APG, .6 BPG, 53/84 63% FG
Kobe=22 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG

This was a 5 game loss to Detroit. But Shaq once again clearly outperformed Kobe who severely damaged his team with his terrible shooting percent instead of passing it to Shaq.

2008 NBA finals 6 games loss
Kobe= 25 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 5 APG, .16 BPG, 53/131 40% FG

Yet another terrible shooting NBA finals by Kobe.

2009 NBA finals 5 games win
Kobe= 32 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 7.4 AGP, 58/135, 42% FG

Finally his first great NBA finals performance and it only took him 6 tries to get it! But even then he shot a low 42%.


All in all, Kobe does not perform anywhere as well in the NBA finals as people think (his playoff stats outside of the NBA finals are similar to that as well).

Kobe overall NBA finals stats from 6 series averaged=

23 PPG, 5 RPG, 5 APG, 41% FG (267/645).

He gets hyped a lot because he is from the huge market of LA. I was shocked when I saw voters vote that Kobe was a better Laker than Shaq. It was no comparison!

I could understand if he was the only one on the team but he has played for extremely talented teams. Shaq took up double coverage in the first 4 NBA finals where Kobe still struggled and in the past 2 NBA finals, while Kobe was the best on his team he had good teammates that prevented opposing teams from locking down on Kobe.

found this great OP from RealGM and it almost took the entire forum down with the kobestans there.

[lefty]

True betas get benched by their senile coaches when they're 28 seconds away from a ring without saying a word.

Damn that cucked poster has some zingers :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

I think it's a little unfair to compare Pip to the greatest player of our generation, don't you think?

[Stalin]

quality thread, making kobe nutriders more than a little upset, IMO TBH

[AchillesHeel]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/kobe.jpg

[Leetonidas]

Pretty sure Scotty couldn't do this:

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/270403-2/Kobe+Bryant+poses+with+both+Larry+O_Brien+trophy+a nd+his+2009+NBA+Finals+MVP+trophy.jpg
lol so now you wanna argue the Finals MVP is relevant? MJ, Shaq, and Tammy all have more than rapist :lol

[Leetonidas]

found this great OP from RealGM and it almost took the entire forum down with the kobestans there.

:cry but Kobe was so good in the WCF :cry

[Juggity]

6 & 24

:lmao

[Arnold Toht]

lol so now you wanna argue the Finals MVP is relevant? MJ, Shaq, and Tammy all have more than rapist :lol

Kobe was playoffs mvp for 01 AND 02. Finals MVP is misleading son :lol

[AchillesHeel]

Kobe was playoffs mvp for 01 AND 02. Finals MVP is misleading son :lol

What the fuck is a playoffs MVP? Only such thing on NBA 2K where you get a Finals MVP based on your overall playoff stats

And speaking of "playoffs MVP"

Shaquille O'Neal: Playoffs Per Game (1999-00 to 2001-02)


From
To
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2000
2002
58
58
42.3
11.7
21.3
.552
0.0
0.0

6.5
12.1
.533
4.8
9.7
14.5
3.0
0.5
2.4
3.0
3.2
29.9



Kobe Bryant: Playoffs Per Game (1999-00 to 2001-02)


From
To
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2000
2002
57
57
41.8
9.3
20.8
.447
1.0
2.7
.353
5.8
7.4
.780
1.5
4.2
5.7
4.9
1.5
1.1
2.8
3.6
25.3

[Leetonidas]

Kobe was playoffs mvp for 01 AND 02. Finals MVP is misleading son :lol

So Finals MVPs are misleading but you used one as a source of argument for Kobe>Scotty? sorry, no one gives a fuck about your made up awards.

[Arnold Toht]

sorry, no one gives a fuck about your made up awards

no one gives a fuck about the guy in your avi either faggot

[Leetonidas]

and?

[Arnold Toht]

^ he's the only one of the big 3 in a healthy family situation right now :lol

[Leetonidas]

lol changing the subject

[Arnold Toht]

:lol subject= manu ginobili