Justice for Chris Lane...

[CosmicCowboy]

So where is Jesse and Al?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/man-who-dobbed-in-suspects-accused-of-murdering-melbourne-baseball-player-chris-lane-says-his-son-was-next/story-fni0fiyv-1226700172461

Seriously, this shit is whacked...fucking animals...

[CosmicCowboy]

Of course, before this is over it will turn into a gun control debate and ignore the fact that there are fucking sub-human animals like these roaming the streets.

[exstatic]

Of course, before this is over it will turn into a gun control debate and ignore the fact that there are fucking sub-human animals like these roaming the streets.

What's the big deal? He's just exercising his second amendment rights.

When will you people learn that it is a FACT that the states with the toughest gun control laws have the fewest gun deaths? You can't stop people from being bad or crazy, you can only control what means they have to exercise those "qualities".

[AntiChrist]

What's the big deal? He's just exercising his second amendment rights.

When will you people learn that it is a FACT that the states with the toughest gun control laws have the fewest gun deaths? You can't stop people from being bad or crazy, you can only control what means they have to exercise those "qualities".

I'm sure those kids obtained their weapons legally

[CosmicCowboy]

Trill and Creepn will probably say the cracker is lying and those little black angels were home playing Xbox.

[CosmicCowboy]

What's the big deal? He's just exercising his second amendment rights.

When will you people learn that it is a FACT that the states with the toughest gun control laws have the fewest gun deaths? You can't stop people from being bad or crazy, you can only control what means they have to exercise those "qualities".

That is simply not true...

Chicago says hi!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illinois

[Bill_Brasky]

Dude, when the guys are arrested and in jail being charged with murder, that's justice. Why is everyone bringing up Trayvon Martin? This isn't the same at all.

And i agree, this will just be another retarded gun control debate. We're not giving you the guns, faggots, stop trying.

[101A]

What's the big deal? He's just exercising his second amendment rights.

When will you people learn that it is a FACT that the states with the toughest gun control laws have the fewest gun deaths? You can't stop people from being bad or crazy, you can only control what means they have to exercise those "qualities".


It is unlawful for any person under 18 years of age to possess any weapon, except rifles or shotguns used in education, hunting, or sport. Any firearm confiscated from a person under 18 by law enforcement upon arrest or detainment is subject to forfeiture.

Yeah, what was needed was a law...

[Trill Clinton]

there was a white boy too. where is bill o'riley and rush limbaugh?

[Trill Clinton]

Dude, when the guys are arrested and in jail being charged with murder, that's justice. Why is everyone bringing up Trayvon Martin? This isn't the same at all.

And i agree, this will just be another retarded gun control debate. We're not giving you the guns, faggots, stop trying.

basically

[boutons_deux]

gun industry got its profits from selling the guns, that's all that counts.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

http://i44.tinypic.com/5dwisi.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

gun industry got its profits from selling the guns, that's all that counts.
Gun-control groups will get their profits from exploiting this tragedy, that's all that counts....

[Spurminator]

So where is Jesse and Al?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/man-who-dobbed-in-suspects-accused-of-murdering-melbourne-baseball-player-chris-lane-says-his-son-was-next/story-fni0fiyv-1226700172461

Seriously, this shit is whacked...fucking animals...

Jesse and Al have been replaced by Drudge and Rush whatever other conservative bloggers you guys get your cues from. It's the only way anyone could possibly see any similarities in the two killings.

[TSA]

What's the big deal? He's just exercising his second amendment rights.

When will you people learn that it is a FACT that the states with the toughest gun control laws have the fewest gun deaths? You can't stop people from being bad or crazy, you can only control what means they have to exercise those "qualities".


You sure about that?

http://www.examiner.com/article/exclusive-states-with-toughest-gun-laws-have-triple-the-amount-of-gun-deaths

July 13, 2013
The ten states given the highest ratings by the Brady Campaign for having the most stringent gun control legislation have about triple the amount of gun deaths compared to the ten states that have the least restrictive gun legislation, according to data compiled by the Examiner.

Using data from Slate, who has been tracking gun deaths in America since the tragic mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, the Examiner also found that the Brady Campaign's highest rated state for having the most restrictive gun legislation, California, also had the highest number of gun deaths (677) since the Sandy Hook shooting.

Using Slate's figures, the Examiner tallied the numbers of gun deaths for each state, and compared them to rankings by the Brady Campaign, which gives scores by state for the most versus the least restrictive gun control laws. Notably, their scores do not include legislation passed in the past year. The Brady Campaign used data from the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence to determine state rankings.

The top ten states with the most restrictive gun laws had 2,002 gun deaths, versus the ten states with the least restrictive gun laws, which totaled 696 gun deaths. The state with the fewest restrictions on firearms (and therefore the lowest scored), Utah, has had 29 gun deaths since Sandy Hook.

If the top state for gun deaths, California, is removed entirely from the equation, the total number of gun deaths would fall to 1,325 for the states with the most stringent gun control laws, which is still a significant difference from the tally of 696 gun deaths from the top ten least restrictive gun states.

Slate's tally includes people killed by police, suicide, or criminals killed by their potential victims all in one big category. Famously, one of the people listed on Slate’s piece was Tamerlan Tsarnaev, whose name was read as a "gun violence victim" during a gun control rally sponsored by “Mayors Against Illegal Guns."

According to their most recent update (in mid-June), Slate determined that 6,095 people have been killed via firearm since Sandy Hook (and the author of the Slate piece believes the actual figure is higher, as “roughly 60 percent of deaths by gun are due to suicides,” which are rarely reported as news).

Using these sources alone, it seems that if there is any correlation to “gun deaths” and gun control laws, at the very least, it would be that the most stringent gun control legislation does not make gun deaths go down.

The focus on “gun crime” alone encourages trends related to violent crime to be ignored, such as criminal history, gang involvement, mental health history, age, gender, race, socioeconomic factors as well as proximity to urban areas. Indeed, Slate includes gender and age in their study, but dismisses these other factors.

While the figures here do not account for population (obviously, densely populated areas would be much more likely to result in more violent crime), the figures do indicate that there are other trends worth exploring if the real goal is to reduce violent crime.

[AntiChrist]

Jesse and Al have been replaced by Drudge and Rush whatever other conservative bloggers you guys get your cues from. It's the only way anyone could possibly see any similarities in the two killings.


Well, obviously the two cases are quite different.


The Trayvon Martin case was cold-blooded murder by a white-hispanic racial profiler.


In contrast, this shooting of Chris Lane had to do with global warming and lax gun control laws.

[DMC]

Dude, when the guys are arrested and in jail being charged with murder, that's justice. Why is everyone bringing up Trayvon Martin? This isn't the same at all.

And i agree, this will just be another retarded gun control debate. We're not giving you the guns, faggots, stop trying.

cosigned

[Spurminator]

Well, obviously the two cases are quite different.

The Trayvon Martin case was cold-blooded murder by a white-hispanic racial profiler.

In contrast, this shooting of Chris Lane had to do with global warming and lax gun control laws.


Hey that's funny sarcasm, you hit all of the points you're the most butthurt about. Now seriously, why do you think these cases are similar? You obviously thought there was some kind of hypocrisy at play here when you rushed to make this post (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221365&p=6807873&viewfull=1#post6807873) in the Club thread. Lay it on us.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I'm outraged by the lack of outrage from the Left.

[boutons_deux]

I'm outraged by the lack of outrage from the Left.

was he murdered by blacks because

1) he was white

2)suspected because he was white

3)dressed white-ly like typical white suspects "who always get away"?

[Halberto]

So where is Jesse and Al?


I think it's pretty obvious this had little to do with race.

[CosmicCowboy]

was he murdered by blacks because

1) he was white

probably

2)suspected because he was white

probably

3)dressed white-ly like typical white suspects "who always get away"?

probably. Plus he was running away so that is why they had to shoot him in the back

[Spurminator]

Obviously this puts a national spotlight on that Oklahoma state law that allows teens to commit murder in cold blood. Maybe they'll eventually be arrested and charged.

[TeyshaBlue]

What was the Skittle count here?

[George Gervin's Afro]

great thread

[AntiChrist]

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[George Gervin's Afro]

This thead has triggered GGA's bot response

don't be be jealous .. you are still by far the worst thread starter on this board

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That is simply not true...

Chicago says hi!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illinois

Chicago is a state? Oh that's right, it's a city near the border of two states other than IL.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You sure about that?

http://www.examiner.com/article/exclusive-states-with-toughest-gun-laws-have-triple-the-amount-of-gun-deaths

July 13, 2013
The ten states given the highest ratings by the Brady Campaign for having the most stringent gun control legislation have about triple the amount of gun deaths compared to the ten states that have the least restrictive gun legislation, according to data compiled by the Examiner.

Using data from Slate, who has been tracking gun deaths in America since the tragic mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, the Examiner also found that the Brady Campaign's highest rated state for having the most restrictive gun legislation, California, also had the highest number of gun deaths (677) since the Sandy Hook shooting.

Using Slate's figures, the Examiner tallied the numbers of gun deaths for each state, and compared them to rankings by the Brady Campaign, which gives scores by state for the most versus the least restrictive gun control laws. Notably, their scores do not include legislation passed in the past year. The Brady Campaign used data from the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence to determine state rankings.

The top ten states with the most restrictive gun laws had 2,002 gun deaths, versus the ten states with the least restrictive gun laws, which totaled 696 gun deaths. The state with the fewest restrictions on firearms (and therefore the lowest scored), Utah, has had 29 gun deaths since Sandy Hook.

If the top state for gun deaths, California, is removed entirely from the equation, the total number of gun deaths would fall to 1,325 for the states with the most stringent gun control laws, which is still a significant difference from the tally of 696 gun deaths from the top ten least restrictive gun states.

Slate's tally includes people killed by police, suicide, or criminals killed by their potential victims all in one big category. Famously, one of the people listed on Slate’s piece was Tamerlan Tsarnaev, whose name was read as a "gun violence victim" during a gun control rally sponsored by “Mayors Against Illegal Guns."

According to their most recent update (in mid-June), Slate determined that 6,095 people have been killed via firearm since Sandy Hook (and the author of the Slate piece believes the actual figure is higher, as “roughly 60 percent of deaths by gun are due to suicides,” which are rarely reported as news).

Using these sources alone, it seems that if there is any correlation to “gun deaths” and gun control laws, at the very least, it would be that the most stringent gun control legislation does not make gun deaths go down.

The focus on “gun crime” alone encourages trends related to violent crime to be ignored, such as criminal history, gang involvement, mental health history, age, gender, race, socioeconomic factors as well as proximity to urban areas. Indeed, Slate includes gender and age in their study, but dismisses these other factors.

While the figures here do not account for population (obviously, densely populated areas would be much more likely to result in more violent crime), the figures do indicate that there are other trends worth exploring if the real goal is to reduce violent crime.

:lol aggregate numbers.

[CosmicCowboy]

Chicago is a state? Oh that's right, it's a city near the border of two states other than IL.

Is Chicago not in Illinois?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What's the big deal? He's just exercising his second amendment rights.

When will you people learn that it is a FACT that the states with the toughest gun control laws have the fewest gun deaths? You can't stop people from being bad or crazy, you can only control what means they have to exercise those "qualities".


Is Chicago not in Illinois?

Do you really need me to spell it out for you? I can use venn diagrams if that will help.

[TSA]

:lol aggregate numbers.

Break it down state by state then.

[CosmicCowboy]

Do you really need me to spell it out for you? I can use venn diagrams if that will help.

This was the statement:


When will you people learn that it is a FACT that the states with the toughest gun control laws have the fewest gun deaths?

I refuted it.

No need to get so butthurt and start backpedaling.

District of Columbia says hi too.

[boutons_deux]

It's useless to pass city or state gun laws since guns are portable from the WildWest shoot-everybody no-reg areas to regulated areas.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's useless to pass city or state gun laws.

I agree

[boutons_deux]

I agree

federal laws are the only way.

[CosmicCowboy]

federal laws are the only way.

I'm OK with the ones we have.

[The Reckoning]

looks like it's gang related imo. maybe an initiation or something. no way they'd do that because they were "bored."

[boutons_deux]

I'm OK with the ones we have.

you're OK with 600 kids dead/year, then.

[TSA]

Trill,

PM me your address, I want to send you a gift.

http://teespring.com/i-am-chrislane

[Trill Clinton]

sad thing is, the african american community actually sympathized for trayvon and his family and genuinely cared for that boy. meanwhile you fox fanboys fellate this tragedy into some racist propoganda against obama, messy jackson and al charlatan. ya'll can give 1 fuck for that young man gunned down by those actual and factual thugs. not the made up thug they turned trayvon into.

[TSA]

sad thing is, the african american community actually sympathized for trayvon and his family and genuinely cared for that boy. meanwhile you fox fanboys fellate this tragedy into some racist propoganda against obama, messy jackson and al charlatan. ya'll can give 1 fuck for that young man gunned down by those actual and factual thugs. not the made up thug they turned trayvon into.

:lol no they didn't genuinely care for Trayvon. They cared about crying racism, much like yourself. Tray on was on the same path as these three fucks, their Facebook pages were identical.

Ps-checked my inbox, where's your address?

[boutons_deux]

"Tray on was on the same path as these three fucks"

the bigot can see the future, criminalizng Trayvon into a murderer.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

sad thing is, the african american community actually sympathized for trayvon and his family and genuinely cared for that boy. meanwhile you fox fanboys fellate this tragedy into some racist propoganda against obama, messy jackson and al charlatan. ya'll can give 1 fuck for that young man gunned down by those actual and factual thugs. not the made up thug they turned trayvon into.
:lmao truth bombs. They don't give a damn about Chris Lane, they're just puppets of right wing demagogues who've told them to stomp their feet and throw a temper tantrum over this.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao truth bombs. They don't give a damn about Chris Lane, they're just puppets of right wing demagogues who've told them to stomp their feet and throw a temper tantrum over this.

Just like you were a puppet for Al and Jesse who told you to give a shit about angel trayvon.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Just like you were a puppet for Al and Jesse who told you to give a shit about angel trayvon.
:lol your only defense being "I'm rubber you're glue!" because you had no other counter argument

[exstatic]

Break it down state by state then.

2010 Gun deaths per 100,000
NY 4.4
IL 3.5
CA 4.9
TX 5.0
LA 9.6
SC 6.1
TN 5.6
GA 5.3
FL 5.0

[Trill Clinton]

:lol your only defense being "I'm rubber you're glue!" because you had no other counter argument

:lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

No, it's because your premise is stupid and fucked up and there is no sense arguing it.

For you to ascribe thoughts and motives in a broad sweeping brush to people you don't know is just ignorant.

But then, thats how you and Trill and Creepn roll.

[AntiChrist]

Tweet from one of the suspects: “90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM.”

[AntiChrist]

Another tweet: "knocked out 5 woods since Zimmerman court.”

[CosmicCowboy]

Another tweet: "knocked out 5 woods since Zimmerman court.”

Can one of you nigras interpret that to english, please?

[Spurminator]

They're racist thug murderers and they deserve to be in prison for a long time. Is there anyone saying otherwise? Is there anyone saying they were acting in self defense? Is there anyone saying Chris Lane deserved it?

[Trill Clinton]

They're racist thug murderers and they deserve to be in prison for a long time. Is there anyone saying otherwise? Is there anyone saying they were acting in self defense? Is there anyone saying Chris Lane deserved it?

yup and the duncan police department caught the suspects and arrested them so what type of justice are they asking for??? but you know fox has to shift the blame and deflect so instead of showing genuine empathy to Mr. Lane and his family, they'd rather be hypocrites and exploit this tragedy to fueil their reverse racism agenda. nothing but hypocrisy mixed with guilt, sad.

[Bill_Brasky]

This was the statement:



I refuted it.

No need to get so butthurt and start backpedaling.

District of Columbia says hi too.

No you didn't. He said states with toughest gun laws and you posted an article about Chicago, which is a city. Holy shit.

[Trill Clinton]

For you to ascribe thoughts and motives in a broad sweeping brush to people you don't know is just ignorant.




hilarious

[Bill_Brasky]

Can one of you nigras interpret that to english, please?

Apparently you can't if you don't know the difference between a city and a state.

[CosmicCowboy]

No you didn't. He said states with toughest gun laws and you posted an article about Chicago, which is a city. Holy shit.

I'm sure Illinois's tough gun laws make the citizens of Chicago feel much safer, peckerhead.

and of the states New York has the highest gun deaths per capita and has extremely tough gun laws. DC has even tougher gun laws and has the highest deaths per capita in the country (I know, it's not a state)

GFY

[boutons_deux]

"states New York has the highest gun deaths per capita"

I repeat, CITY, STATE gun laws are meaningless when guns are easily transported across state lines from "maranic" gun-fellatin states.

[Bill_Brasky]

I'm sure Illinois's tough gun laws make the citizens of Chicago feel much safer, peckerhead.

and of the states New York has the highest gun deaths per capita and has extremely tough gun laws. DC has even tougher gun laws and has the highest deaths per capita in the country (I know, it's not a state)

GFY
OK, boutons.

[AntiChrist]

Strange that the Daily Mail (UK) and Herald Sun (AUS) have the most up-to-date information on these suspects.


HuffPo says racial angle is manufactured.

[Trill Clinton]

CosmicCowboy, what is the justice you want for Mr. Lane?

[Creepn]

Dude, when the guys are arrested and in jail being charged with murder, that's justice. Why is everyone bringing up Trayvon Martin? This isn't the same at all.

And i agree, this will just be another retarded gun control debate. We're not giving you the guns, faggots, stop trying.

Thread should've ended here tbh but then again, it wouldn't be as entertaining.

[AntiChrist]

Meh, here's another one

http://www.examiner.com/article/media-blackout-nurse-shot-to-death-on-the-streets-of-memphis

[Trill Clinton]

post the story of the white kid who was about to shoot up a school of black kids, please.

[AntiChrist]

post the story of the white kid who was about to shoot up a school of black kids, please.


The one where the black bookkeeper talking him into surrendering?

[Trill Clinton]

The one where the black bookkeeper talking him into surrendering?

yes

[AntiChrist]

yes

Most of what I've read suggests he's mentally ill. If he was racially motivated, it is suprising that a black woman was able to convince him to surrender. In interviews with her, she doesn't mention any racial angle.

[CosmicCowboy]

CosmicCowboy, what is the justice you want for Mr. Lane?

I was just trolling.

Mission accomplished.

[Trill Clinton]

Most of what I've read suggests he's mentally ill. If he was racially motivated, it is suprising that a black woman was able to convince him to surrender. In interviews with her, she doesn't mention any racial angle.


i am always intrigued when these white men shoot up these schools and public places, people are so quick to blame it on a mental illness. when non whites commit crimes, the mental illness excuse is never brought up.

anyways, i applaud every day heroes like charles ramsey and antoinette tuff(the woman who saved those kids). when lives are at stake and there is actual risk of harm going on, we find a way to step in and help. true heroes.

[Trill Clinton]

I was just trolling.

Mission accomplished.

oh okay. too bad your mission made you look dumb as fuck lololol

[CosmicCowboy]

Hardly

managed to get all the black racists riled up.

[Trill Clinton]

yea sure. thats why fox news was running "where is jesse, where is al?!!!" "where is obama?!?!!" stories when news broke that 3 black teens killed Mr. Lane. now after the dust settles and one of the suspects is white and there is no correlation to trayvon, its all about trolling and cleaning up the egg on their faces lol. man this shit is hilarious.

[Spurminator]

Meh, here's another one

http://www.examiner.com/article/media-blackout-nurse-shot-to-death-on-the-streets-of-memphis


Murderers were arrested because their crime is illegal according to the law.

So what's the controversy that we should be hearing about on a national level? What makes this a bigger story beyond what is covered every day on the local news?

(Betcha don't answer)

[CosmicCowboy]

yea sure. thats why fox news was running "where is jesse, where is al?!!!" "where is obama?!?!!" stories when news broke that 3 black teens killed Mr. Lane. now after the dust settles and one of the suspects is white and there is no correlation to trayvon, its all about trolling and cleaning up the egg on their faces lol. man this shit is hilarious.

You watch Fox news? I haven't watched it in weeks.

[AntiChrist]

Murderers were arrested because their crime is illegal according to the law.

So what's the controversy that we should be hearing about on a national level? What makes this a bigger story beyond what is covered every day on the local news?

(Betcha don't answer)



Supposedly, it was a robbery gone wrong. But, nothing was taken from him and he was shot from a distance.

(Betcha I will)

[Spurminator]

Supposedly, it was a robbery gone wrong. But, nothing was taken from him and he was shot from a distance.

(Betcha I will)

Thanks, it's been a while since you've answered a direct question.

So it's a murder where the motive is still in doubt. Seems to me like Memphis local news has it sufficiently covered... Not sure what the angle is for Conservative bloggers who think this merits some kind of lengthy national discussion. I don't know anyone who thinks robbery or murder should be legal.

[AntiChrist]

Thanks, it's been a while since you've answered a direct question.

So it's a murder where the motive is still in doubt. Seems to me like Memphis local news has it sufficiently covered... Not sure what the angle is for Conservative bloggers who think this merits some kind of lengthy national discussion. I don't know anyone who thinks robbery or murder should be legal.


I guess some people see the double-standard and others don't.

You have the TM case, where the racism actually was manufactured. As opposed to the Chris Lane case, which appears to have some racial component, but HuffPo says the race angle is "manufactured". smh

[Trill Clinton]

You watch Fox news? I haven't watched it in weeks.

fox news, zimmerman supporters, o'riley, limbaugh and their flock of sheep, etc were all saying the exact same thing you did since this case came out. its just so funny how they don't even care about Mr. Lane or his family. using this poor mans senseless death to 'get even' and scream for justice is just downright sad and evil.

[Trill Clinton]

I guess some people see the double-standard and others don't.

You have the TM case, where the racism actually was manufactured. As opposed to the Chris Lane case, which appears to have some racial component, but HuffPo says the race angle is "manufactured". smh


naw the racism was pure and unfiltered. nothing about it was manufactured. the lack of empathy, comments, blogs and interviews exposed the racism. the zimmerman supporters didn't hide their racism or racial stereotypes, one of the biggest being demonizing trayvon into a cold hearted thug that deserved to die. these 3 kids who killed Mr. Lane are actual thugs, not the make believe typical black thug persona created for trayvon.

Oh and another favorite saying was 'they'll stop talking about trayvon days after the verdict' welp, its been over a month and his name is still ringing and the zimmerman supporters keep bringing it up:p:

[CosmicCowboy]

You are not omnipotent and you have no way of knowing whether people actually care about Chris Lane or not. You just randomly spew your hate and bigotry an paint entire classes of people with the same brush.

[ChumpDumper]

nigrasClassy.

[CosmicCowboy]

Classy.

Guess I should have put it in blue for the slow group.

[ChumpDumper]

Guess I should have put it in blue for the slow group.Probably shouldn't have put it at all, but some white people enjoy posting such things.

[Trill Clinton]

You are not omnipotent and you have no way of knowing whether people actually care about Chris Lane or not. You just randomly spew your hate and bigotry an paint entire classes of people with the same brush.

i'm not spewing hate or bigtory, my friend. i'm spitting hot fiyah and calling our the hypocrisy. its not hard to see they don't care about Mr. Lane or his family. its all about throwing shots at obama and being able to say 'see, we told ya so!!!" just sad all around.

[Spurminator]

I guess some people see the double-standard and others don't.

You have the TM case, where the racism actually was manufactured. As opposed to the Chris Lane case, which appears to have some racial component, but HuffPo says the race angle is "manufactured". smh

I certainly don't see the double standard. I think you misinterpreted the whole Trayvon story as some kind of national outcry against white-on-black violence. It wasn't. It was a nuanced story about a man who chased after a "suspicious looking" kid and ended up killing him, then was let off the hook and later found innocent of the charges because Florida state law allows you to shoot someone if you feel threatened. It divided the country, and black America was understandably more sympathetic to the Trayvon side because it was certainly fair to ask what exactly was suspicious about Trayvon Martin that night.

There may have been racism in the Chris Lane murder and the Memphis murder, but everyone pretty much unanimously agrees that these people are murderers and should be punished accordingly. Justice has been served. There's no controversy. Unless you think there is some sort of black-on-white crime epidemic that is being underreported by the national media, leading to a national ignorance of the threat posed by black people.

[boutons_deux]

"It was a nuanced story about a man who chased after a "suspicious looking" kid"

holy shit. He was suspicious, "profiled", by a white vigilante because the was a BLACK kid.

[Creepn]

I certainly don't see the double standard. I think you misinterpreted the whole Trayvon story as some kind of national outcry against white-on-black violence. It wasn't. It was a nuanced story about a man who chased after a "suspicious looking" kid and ended up killing him, then was let off the hook and later found innocent of the charges because Florida state law allows you to shoot someone if you feel threatened. It divided the country, and black America was understandably more sympathetic to the Trayvon side because it was certainly fair to ask what exactly was suspicious about Trayvon Martin that night.

There may have been racism in the Chris Lane murder and the Memphis murder, but everyone pretty much unanimously agrees that these people are murderers and should be punished accordingly. Justice has been served. There's no controversy. Unless you think there is some sort of black-on-white crime epidemic that is being underreported by the national media, leading to a national ignorance of the threat posed by black people.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-92PgZeNpC04/TbhiCqKDNRI/AAAAAAAAB8E/48lXYcH1Abg/s1600/Slap.gif

[Frank Dux]

using this poor mans senseless death to 'get even' and scream for justice is just downright sad and evil.

Somebody had to say it. Glad you did.

It seems a lot of people have zero shame when it comes to fanning the flames of racial tension, no matter how callous and how exploitative towards the victims. It borders on disturbing.

[Th'Pusher]

Can one of you nigras interpret that to english, please?
Pecker(woods) are white people in prison lingo.

[AntiChrist]

I think you misinterpreted the whole Trayvon story as some kind of national outcry against white-on-black violence. It wasn't. It was a nuanced story about a man who chased after a "suspicious looking" kid and ended up killing him, then was let off the hook and later found innocent of the charges because Florida state law allows you to shoot someone if you feel threatened.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSUPMWPfDnQ

[Jacob1983]

Race baiters Sharpton and Jackson don't give a shit about this case because they know it won't be an easy sell for their minions nor to the media. American society loves racism and race because people like to bitch about those things. I hope the psychos that killed that Australian guy get the shit beaten out of them by Klan members in prison. Edit- Jackson did say something about it but that's not good enough in my opinion. He needs to step up and go to Duncan, OK and demand justice for this Australian guy.

[Spurminator]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSUPMWPfDnQ

You've been trained well to take soundbytes out of context and get mad about them.

Do you feel that in the context of everything Oprah said afterward that she is claiming that we have a white-on-black violence epidemic?

[ElNono]

:lol your only defense being "I'm rubber you're glue!" because you had no other counter argument

:lol

[MannyIsGod]

Racist murders are bad no matter what the color of the skin of the victim.

There, how is Darrin going to be pissed now? I mean isn't that just plain obvious?

[MannyIsGod]

God damn DA's must love having the "try as an adult" bullet to use. Makes them look so damn tough on crime. Whats the point of having a juvenile distinction if a DA can just throw that shit out when it suits them? Oh hey, it'll look tough in public because they all hate you so lets just act as though the bad decision you made somehow shows that you're an adult.

Some of the most illogical shit we do in this country.

[Wild Cobra]

You sure about that?

http://www.examiner.com/article/exclusive-states-with-toughest-gun-laws-have-triple-the-amount-of-gun-deaths

July 13, 2013
The ten states given the highest ratings by the Brady Campaign for having the most stringent gun control legislation have about triple the amount of gun deaths compared to the ten states that have the least restrictive gun legislation, according to data compiled by the Examiner.


This isn't entirely accurate either. There seems to be little effect of using the Brady score. It actually has a very close following to the percentage of Latino plus Blacks. Check out these two charts:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Politics/2010gundeathvsBradyscore_zps182e6cd5.png


http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Politics/2010gundeathvsblacksandhispanics_zps54b1521c.png

I got tired of all this liberal bullshit saying gun control states have less gun violence. I hope that me taking the time to graph the actual data makes you stupid liberal lemmings to actually verify the shit your read, eat, and breath.

[Wild Cobra]

What's the big deal? He's just exercising his second amendment rights.

When will you people learn that it is a FACT that the states with the toughest gun control laws have the fewest gun deaths? You can't stop people from being bad or crazy, you can only control what means they have to exercise those "qualities".

Total bullshit, you liberal lemming. The trend line is almost flat No change worth claiming any win for.

[AntiChrist]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/23/us/world-war-vet-beating-death/index.html?c=&page=1

[DMX7]

I didn't read any of the posts in this thread because I don't want to lower my IQ, but the three boys are not all black. One is clearly white and one looks mixed race, so you fail in attempting to make this a black on white race war. Good day.

[Creepn]

I didn't read any of the posts in this thread because I don't want to lower my IQ, but the three boys are not all black. One is clearly white and one looks mixed race, so you fail in attempting to make this a black on white race war. Good day.

There's a white guy in the mix? Could've sworn it's all about 2 black guys killing that baseball player.

[boutons_deux]

"Authorities say one of the boys said they targeted Lane, who is white, because they were bored and had nothing to do.

Edwards and Chancey Allen Luna, 16, who is also black, were charged with first-degree murder. At the police station, Edwards danced while they were booking him, said Duncan Police Chief Daniel P. Ford. "He thought it was cool," Ford said.

Michael Dewayne Jones, 17, who is white, was charged with lesser counts — accessory to the murder and use of a vehicle in discharge of weapon. According to court documents, Jones was the driver and told police he knew who shot Lane but was worried he'd "get killed" if he snitched.

The three alleged assailants came from what is known as the gritty part of town; a prosecutor called them "thugs." Lane had been visiting his girlfriend's family in Duncan's north end, a prim neighborhood with brick homes and big yards.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/1717/article/p2p-77116258/

the shooter was black.

It sounds like the Australian was not "running away", he was just jogging and was shot in back without warning, "That's Entertainment!".

[Trill Clinton]

why aren't they all charged with 1st degree murder?

[2centsworth]

Here's what I heard from the MS and Liberal Media about the Trayvon case:

1. Blacks are regularly the victims of racist attacks
2. The "System" doesn't protect blacks


I think what the conservative media is trying to say is the following:

1. Black on white violence is more prevalent than white on black. (I haven't verified this to be true)
2. Why isn't this horrific racial attack getting the same national attention from the MSM or the President?

[TeyshaBlue]

why aren't they all charged with 1st degree murder?

Damn good question.

[CosmicCowboy]

why aren't they all charged with 1st degree murder?


Probably because the cracker rolled on the brothas and cut a deal.

[MannyIsGod]

Here's what I heard from the MS and Liberal Media about the Trayvon case:

1. Blacks are regularly the victims of racist attacks
2. The "System" doesn't protect blacks


I think what the conservative media is trying to say is the following:

1. Black on white violence is more prevalent than white on black. (I haven't verified this to be true)
2. Why isn't this horrific racial attack getting the same national attention from the MSM or the President?

I guess if you ignore hundreds of years of history involving racially motivated crimes and racial history of this country then you might have a hard time understanding why communities may perceive different levels of racial injustice directed toward different racial groups.

[MannyIsGod]

Wow they let the white guy have a lower charge and people are complaining about racism? LOL

[boutons_deux]

why aren't they all charged with 1st degree murder?

Seems like the shooter is the primary guilty one, while the others, who may not have agreed with or might have been surprised by the shooting, are accessories.

You People who watch crime shows should know all about the pre-occupation with identifying the shooter.

[angrydude]

Wow they let the white guy have a lower charge and people are complaining about racism? LOL

Accessory to murder is no chump charge.

[Trill Clinton]

Seems like the shooter is the primary guilty one, while the others, who may not have agreed with or might have been surprised by the shooting, are accessories.

You People who watch crime shows should know all about the pre-occupation with identifying the shooter.


a lot of the crime shows i watch give all suspects the same charge. only one person pulled the trigger so why did 2 people get charged with murder? it makes a little more sense to give all the demons a murder charge and let them rot in prison.

[MannyIsGod]

Accessory to murder is no chump charge.

Sure as hell not first degree murder either.

[AntiChrist]

Sure as hell not first degree murder either.


If one of the black guys was driving, do you think he would be charged with first degree murder?

[boutons_deux]

"only one person pulled the trigger so why did 2 people get charged with murder?"

prosecutorial discretion in Oklahoma?

[2centsworth]

I guess if you ignore hundreds of years of history involving racially motivated crimes and racial history of this country then you might have a hard time understanding why communities may perceive different levels of racial injustice directed toward different racial groups.

when do we evolve and face reality instead of justifying perception?

[Spurminator]

Here's what I heard from the MS and Liberal Media about the Trayvon case:

1. Blacks are regularly the victims of racist attacks
2. The "System" doesn't protect blacks


I think what the conservative media is trying to say is the following:

1. Black on white violence is more prevalent than white on black. (I haven't verified this to be true)
2. Why isn't this horrific racial attack getting the same national attention from the MSM or the President?


I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like you "hear" what the MS and Liberal Media are saying based on what the Conservative Media tells you they're saying. I can only assume this because people who seem to favor conservative media seem to keep missing the fact that the Zimmerman controversy was primarily about a Florida Law that said it was okay for him to kill Trayvon Martin.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like you "hear" what the MS and Liberal Media are saying based on what the Conservative Media tells you they're saying. I can only assume this because people who seem to favor conservative media seem to keep missing the fact that the Zimmerman controversy was primarily about a Florida Law that said it was okay for him to kill Trayvon Martin.

Good luck with that. The stand your ground law allowed for zimmerman to get away with murder..

[TSA]

Good luck with that. The stand your ground law allowed for zimmerman to get away with murder..

He didn't use stand your ground, nice try though.

[boutons_deux]

He didn't use stand your ground, nice try though.

he didn't have to.

The judge's instructions to the jury were totally different compared to what they would have been before FL passed the kill-the-niggas SYG law. see here and Get Smart:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/07/12/201410108/read-instructions-for-the-jury-in-trial-of-george-zimmerman

[TSA]

he didn't have to.



No shit. I just said that. Apparently George missed that part during the 100s of hours of coverage.

[Th'Pusher]

No shit. I just said that. Apparently George missed that part during the 100s of hours of coverage.
You're just stupid as fuck aren't you?

[TSA]

You're just stupid as fuck aren't you?

Did Zimmerman use stand your ground? No? Good....now shut the fuck up.

[TSA]

The stand your ground law allowed for zimmerman to get away with murder..

Explain this pusher.

[2centsworth]

I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like you "hear" what the MS and Liberal Media are saying based on what the Conservative Media tells you they're saying. I can only assume this because people who seem to favor conservative media seem to keep missing the fact that the Zimmerman controversy was primarily about a Florida Law that said it was okay for him to kill Trayvon Martin.

sounds like you've brainwashed yourself into believing that cockamamie story. If calling me a right winger confirms that for you, sobeit.

[Th'Pusher]

Explain this pusher.
What GGA is saying is that regardless of whether SYG was used as a defense, the existance of the law allowed Zimmerman to get away with murder.

[George Gervin's Afro]

What GGA is saying is that regardless of whether SYG was used as a defense, the existance of the law allowed Zimmerman to get away with murder.

he's not the brightest guy around..

[Th'Pusher]

he's not the brightest guy around..
He's bordering on retardation.

[TSA]

The stand your ground law allowed for zimmerman to get away with murder..
explain this George. How did stand your ground allow him to get away with murder?

[Oh, Gee!!]

explain this George. How did stand your ground allow him to get away with murder?

It prevented his arrest, which prevented prompt collection of evidence, which prevented a strong case to be tried by the prosecution, which allowed GZ to get away with murder, is probably the argument one could make.

[TSA]

It prevented his arrest, which prevented prompt collection of evidence, which prevented a strong case to be tried by the prosecution, which allowed GZ to get away with murder, is probably the argument one could make.
Thanks but I was hoping to hear from George or maybe even pusher if he wants to speak for him again.

[Th'Pusher]

Thanks but I was hoping to hear from George or maybe even pusher if he wants to speak for him again.
I wasn't speaking for him, I was explaining what he meant as you had already failed to comprehend a basic concept, first stated by him, then expounded on by boutons...still TSA struggles...pounding away at his peanut butter covered keyboard like the chimp he is :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao @ the uninformed liberal pretend lawyers in here.

The self defense laws are pretty much the same in every state. Trayvon jumped him, beat Zimmermans ass, and the jury decided Zimmerman was in reasonable fear for his life and entitled to defend himself with deadly force.

It had nothing to do with stand your ground. Hell, Zimmerman couldn't have retreated if he wanted to since Trayvon was sitting on his chest going MMA on him.

[TSA]

I wasn't speaking for him, I was explaining what he meant as you had already failed to comprehend a basic concept, first stated by him, then expounded on by boutons...still TSA struggles...pounding away at his peanut butter covered keyboard like the chimp he is :lol

Since George won't speak up its your turn. How did stand your ground help George get away with murder?

[Th'Pusher]

Just to clarify, I did not say that I agreed with GGA. I was simply explaining to the chimp what he was saying.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Since George won't speak up its your turn. How did stand your ground help George get away with murder?

why do you think Zimmerman was brave enough to follow a black man who was bigger than he was in the middle of the night? Even ater the police told him to not follow him? Maybe because the tough guy had a gun?


Zimmerman deserves the same fate. I hope he gets it.

[AntiChrist]

Some delusional shit on this page.

[George Gervin's Afro]

:lmao @ the uninformed liberal pretend lawyers in here.

The self defense laws are pretty much the same in every state. Trayvon jumped him, beat Zimmermans ass, and the jury decided Zimmerman was in reasonable fear for his life and entitled to defend himself with deadly force.

It had nothing to do with stand your ground. Hell, Zimmerman couldn't have retreated if he wanted to since Trayvon was sitting on his chest going MMA on him.

Zimmerman escalated the situation , got his as kicked, and killed a guy. legal? Sure. Right? not even close.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Some delusional shit on this page.

no youtubes today?

[CosmicCowboy]

If anyone could have invoked stand your ground under those circumstances that night it would have been Trayvon. If Zimmerman hadn't had a gun Trayvon could have attempted to use SYG as a defense for his Felony Assault charge saying he was in fear for his life from the creepy cracka following him and stood his ground by going on the offensive and beating the crackas ass and pounding his head into the concrete. His cklaim would be that he had a right to stand his ground and didn't have to retreat from the cracka.

But then, Zimmerman DID have a gun.

oops.

[TSA]

Just to clarify, I did not say that I agreed with GGA. I was simply explaining to the chimp what he was saying.

GGA can't even explain what he was saying as he's yet to explain to anyone here why stand your ground helped Zimmerman get away with murder.... yet you know what he was saying? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit mind reading.

I don't think GGA knew stand your ground had nothing to do with the verdict or the trial and until he explains this.....


The stand your ground law allowed for zimmerman to get away with murder

[Spurminator]

If anyone could have invoked stand your ground under those circumstances that night it would have been Trayvon. If Zimmerman hadn't had a gun Trayvon could have attempted to use SYG as a defense for his Felony Assault charge saying he was in fear for his life from the creepy cracka following him and stood his ground by going on the offensive and beating the crackas ass and pounding his head into the concrete. His cklaim would be that he had a right to stand his ground and didn't have to retreat from the cracka.

But then, Zimmerman DID have a gun.

oops.

You and I both know Trayvon never would have been let off for that.

[CosmicCowboy]

You and I both know Trayvon never would have been let off for that.

Probably not. Looked like a legitimate felony assault. He could have tried, though. It would have been a reasonable defense if they didn't have anything else and just hope for a juror as stupid as GGA, Pusher, Trill, Creepn, etc..

[DMX7]

I said, "Good day, sir."

[Th'Pusher]

Good luck with that. The stand your ground law allowed for zimmerman to get away with murder..


He didn't use stand your ground, nice try though.


he didn't have to.

The judge's instructions to the jury were totally different compared to what they would have been before FL passed the kill-the-niggas SYG law. see here and Get Smart:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/07/12/201410108/read-instructions-for-the-jury-in-trial-of-george-zimmerman


No shit. I just said that. Apparently George missed that part during the 100s of hours of coverage.

No mind reading necessary here.

[MannyIsGod]

when do we evolve and face reality instead of justifying perception?

I don't know, but at least more than one generation since shit like Jasper and Rodney King. Or Amadou Dialou. Or maybe when a generation of African American men aren't unequally imprisoned due to drug laws that target them.

[scott]

Someone catch me up. What's the lack of justice here?

[MannyIsGod]

Someone catch me up. What's the lack of justice here?

Obama hasn't said its bad or something. Or maybe white people want to feel as though they are the minority here. I don't know.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Someone catch me up. What's the lack of justice here?
Idk but my guess is it's gonna end with one of the tea baggers on this site exclaiming that white people have gotten sick and tired of the black man's boot on their throat and a tea bagger rebellion is imminent.

[diego]

so just for shits and giggles, if this kid came out and said he was suspicious of the unarmed (TEENAGE ATHLETE!) Lane, followed him and the situation blew out of control and to save his life he just had to shoot him, and managed to come home to his guns and nothing on his record,

how would CC and darrin feel about the criminal justice system?

[Jacob1983]

When is Obama going to speak on this tragedy?

[2centsworth]

I don't know, but at least more than one generation since shit like Jasper and Rodney King. Or Amadou Dialou. Or maybe when a generation of African American men aren't unequally imprisoned due to drug laws that target them.

The argument is that in reality there is more black on white murders but the media sensationalizes any time it's white on black. Much like how liberals accuse conservatives on sensationalizing Muslim Terrorist.

As far as our drug laws, I'm open to hearing evidence that shows black drug offenders receive unequal punishment to white drug offenders. If that's the case I'm in on trying to fix it, but as far as racial violence it's a real possibility that blacks may be the biggest offenders.

Again, I'm not interested in perception but care most about reality and what the data has to say.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So do you currently think there is equal punishment among whites and blacks regarding drug sentencing?

[scott]

The argument is that in reality there is more black on white murders but the media sensationalizes any time it's white on black. Much like how liberals accuse conservatives on sensationalizing Muslim Terrorist.

As far as our drug laws, I'm open to hearing evidence that shows black drug offenders receive unequal punishment to white drug offenders. If that's the case I'm in on trying to fix it, but as far as racial violence it's a real possibility that blacks may be the biggest offenders.

Again, I'm not interested in perception but care most about reality and what the data has to say.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/3591086-418/drug-commission-greater-disparity-hunter.html

[2centsworth]

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/3591086-418/drug-commission-greater-disparity-hunter.html

I suspected this to be true. One of my passions is life is to help ex-convicts wipe the slate clean. Carnegie Mellon conducted a study that showed ex-convicts who remained clean for 7 years were no more likely to commit a crime than the general population. Yet, we banish ex-cons to a lifetime of employment discrimination. The inability for ex-cons to redeem themselves disproportionately, and unfairly, affects minorities.

[scott]

I think what the study seems to overlook is the quality of legal representation available to defendants. My guess (just a guess, not verified) is that caucasian offenders have better legal representation (as a result of them being more likely to have the financial resources available for better legal representation) and thus more favorable sentencing.

[Spurminator]

The argument is that in reality there is more black on white murders but the media sensationalizes any time it's white on black. Much like how liberals accuse conservatives on sensationalizing Muslim Terrorist.

If George Zimmerman had been arrested and convicted of murdering Trayvon Martin, like Chris Lane's killers were and will be, there would have been a lot less national media "sensationalism" as you put it. The controversy stemmed from a good portion of the country feeling that justice was not being served. And media coverage is not justice.

[boutons_deux]

"And media coverage is not justice."

through all media coverage, the few, insuffiicient facts of the TM murder case were clear, but GZ lied his ass off.

media coverage is not justice

but FL kill-the-n!gg@s SYG LAWS are not justice, either, just laws.

[Spurminator]

But even if you do feel that National Media Coverage = Justice...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57599706-504083/christopher-lane-update-murder-suspect-james-edwards-jr-tweeted-about-taken-lifes-before-fatal-shooting/
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/sports/charges-in-fatal-shooting-in-oklahoma.html?_r=0
http://news.yahoo.com/chris-lane-murder-racist-dimension-crime-being-discounted-221057922.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/christopher-lane-australian-college-athlete-was-killed-for-the-fun-of-it-say-prosecutors/2013/08/21/8c549486-0a7e-11e3-b87c-476db8ac34cd_story.html
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/justice/australia-student-killed-oklahoma
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/08/22/watch-sharpton-addresses-christopher-lane-shooting/
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/20/20102447-2-teens-charged-with-first-degree-murder-in-ballplayers-killing-in-oklahoma?lite
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/christopher-lane-murder-teens-charged-shooting-australian-baseball-player_n_3786739.html
http://abcnews.go.com/US/chris-lane-murder-suspect-tweeted-time-start-lifes/story?id=20038748
http://abcnews.go.com/US/australian-baseball-player-chris-lane-gunned-alleged-oklahoma/story?id=20000982
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23771858
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/teenagers-allegedly-murder-college-baseball-player-boredom-article-1.1431445
http://ideas.time.com/2013/08/22/viewpoint-dont-ignore-race-in-christopher-lanes-murder/

Just look at all of those MS Liberal Media outlets ignoring this story.

[2centsworth]

If George Zimmerman had been arrested and convicted of murdering Trayvon Martin, like Chris Lane's killers were and will be, there would have been a lot less national media "sensationalism" as you put it. The controversy stemmed from a good portion of the country feeling that justice was not being served. And media coverage is not justice.

happens almost every day. The reason it got national attention was because of skin color.

[Spurminator]

happens almost every day.

Almost every day someone tracks down a suspicious looking teenager in a neighborhood, confronts them and then kills them, despite being told by 911 dispatch not to, then gets released on no charges. I guess I need to get out more.

[AntiChrist]

Almost every day someone tracks down a suspicious looking teenager in a neighborhood, confronts them and then kills them, despite being told by 911 dispatch not to, then gets released on no charges. I guess I need to get out more.

Why call 911 if your intent is to kill?

[Spurminator]

Why call 911 if your intent is to kill?

I didn't say his intent was to kill. I said he killed him.

[CosmicCowboy]

If George Zimmerman had been arrested and convicted of murdering Trayvon Martin, like Chris Lane's killers were and will be, there would have been a lot less national media "sensationalism" as you put it. The controversy stemmed from a good portion of the country feeling that justice was not being served. And media coverage is not justice.

See, this is where all of you Trayvon whiners are fucking up.

We don't have a justice system and never claimed to have a justice system.

We have a legal system.

Big difference.

[Spurminator]

See, this is where all of you Trayvon whiners are fucking up.

We don't have a justice system and never claimed to have a justice system.

We have a legal system.

Big difference.

I'm not suggesting otherwise. You guys can have the Team Trayvon vs. Team Zimmerman bullshit. I'm just talking about the difference in the two stories when it comes to media coverage. I've always been on Team We Don't Really Know What the Hell Happened.

[2centsworth]

Almost every day someone tracks down a suspicious looking teenager in a neighborhood, confronts them and then kills them, despite being told by 911 dispatch not to, then gets released on no charges. I guess I need to get out more.

not sure of the point of acting silly, but almost every day someone, including young people, are murdered in cold blood. If you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore the racial fervor of the case that's your prerogative.

[MannyIsGod]

The argument is that in reality there is more black on white murders but the media sensationalizes any time it's white on black. Much like how liberals accuse conservatives on sensationalizing Muslim Terrorist.

As far as our drug laws, I'm open to hearing evidence that shows black drug offenders receive unequal punishment to white drug offenders. If that's the case I'm in on trying to fix it, but as far as racial violence it's a real possibility that blacks may be the biggest offenders.

Again, I'm not interested in perception but care most about reality and what the data has to say.

Not all murders are racially motivated. I don't doubt there is more black on white crime in general due to the disparity in economic situations. That being said, I gave you some very prominent examples of clear cut racially motivated (even if systematic) crimes. You're going to have to wait decades after events like this before the perceptions around them fade. I would argue that the reality behind them needs to change first, too. And maybe thats happening and maybe its not. We'll only know further on down the line.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

See, this is where all of you Trayvon whiners are fucking up.

We don't have a justice system and never claimed to have a justice system.

We have a legal system.

Big difference.

You should get a room with DMC. Semantic tap dancing based up on made up nonsense in the first place does not make an argument.

[Spurminator]

not sure of the point of acting silly, but almost every day someone, including young people, in cold blood. If you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore the racial fervor of the case that's your prerogative.

And what you've just described is not how half the country saw the Trayvon story. Hence the controversy. Hence the ongoing media attention. No one is ignoring the racial element. You're saying it's the single factor that caused the attention. I disagree.

[Oh, Gee!!]

See, this is where all of you Trayvon whiners are fucking up.

We don't have a justice system and never claimed to have a justice system.

We have a legal system.

Big difference.

If we don't have a justice system, why did you start a thread calling for justice in this case?

[2centsworth]

Not all murders are racially motivated. I don't doubt there is more black on white crime in general due to the disparity in economic situations. That being said, I gave you some very prominent examples of clear cut racially motivated (even if systematic) crimes. You're going to have to wait decades after events like this before the perceptions around them fade. I would argue that the reality behind them needs to change first, too. And maybe thats happening and maybe its not. We'll only know further on down the line.

should we allow isolated heinous crimes dictate our politics or how we live? Think about how passionate you get when defending the Muslim community when there's a terrorist attack. Why don't you defend the white community the same way? You know it's foolish to make blanket statements and even worse to allow misconceptions to dictate politics. The time is now.

[2centsworth]

And what you've just described is not how half the country saw the Trayvon story. Hence the controversy. Hence the ongoing media attention. No one is ignoring the racial element. You're saying it's the single factor that caused the attention. I disagree.

it's laughable to say just half. I bet you think it was just the conservative half too, right hahaha? I'm not saying there wasn't a little more to the story, but race was the overwhelming driver of the story. Racial politics is what drives your political party.

[MannyIsGod]

should we allow isolated heinous crimes dictate our politics or how we live? Think about how passionate you get when defending the Muslim community when there's a terrorist attack. Why don't you defend the white community the same way? You know it's foolish to make blanket statements and even worse to allow misconceptions to dictate politics. The time is now.

Because the white community doesn't need defending. Are you kidding me? Speak to a American Muslim about how their lives have changed after 9/11. Then speak to a white american about how their lives have changed after Rodney King or Jasper. Or how their lives haven't changed, rather.

[MannyIsGod]

It would be one thing if racism wasn't still a huge problem. Maybe its not the same it was in the past but there is still plenty of systematic racism in our criminal justice system to make it a huge problem that touches a huge portion of the black population.

[Spurminator]

it's laughable to say just half. I bet you think it was just the conservative half too, right hahaha? I'm not saying there wasn't a little more to the story, but race was the overwhelming driver of the story. Racial politics is what drives your political party.

So now we're nit picking numbers? Sorry I was off by two percent. Less than half. http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2013/48_agree_with_zimmerman_verdict_34_disagree

Keep making this a partisan issue if you want but just because I find you incapable of grasping nuance and too easily swayed by the Right Wing sources you're clearly getting your marching orders from doesn't mean I'm a democrat.

[Jacob1983]

It is not a national media story until Obama speaks out on it and sheds a tear. Until Obama says "if I had a son, he would look like Chris", it's not a big deal.

[LnGrrrR]

So, not having read the whole thread, what was CC's response after finding out one of the kids was white and that one was half-black/half-white?

[LnGrrrR]

I was just trolling.

Mission accomplished.

:lmao

Sure you were.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

But even if you do feel that National Media Coverage = Justice...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57599706-504083/christopher-lane-update-murder-suspect-james-edwards-jr-tweeted-about-taken-lifes-before-fatal-shooting/
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/sports/charges-in-fatal-shooting-in-oklahoma.html?_r=0
http://news.yahoo.com/chris-lane-murder-racist-dimension-crime-being-discounted-221057922.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/christopher-lane-australian-college-athlete-was-killed-for-the-fun-of-it-say-prosecutors/2013/08/21/8c549486-0a7e-11e3-b87c-476db8ac34cd_story.html
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/justice/australia-student-killed-oklahoma
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/08/22/watch-sharpton-addresses-christopher-lane-shooting/
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/20/20102447-2-teens-charged-with-first-degree-murder-in-ballplayers-killing-in-oklahoma?lite
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/christopher-lane-murder-teens-charged-shooting-australian-baseball-player_n_3786739.html
http://abcnews.go.com/US/chris-lane-murder-suspect-tweeted-time-start-lifes/story?id=20038748
http://abcnews.go.com/US/australian-baseball-player-chris-lane-gunned-alleged-oklahoma/story?id=20000982
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23771858
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/teenagers-allegedly-murder-college-baseball-player-boredom-article-1.1431445
http://ideas.time.com/2013/08/22/viewpoint-dont-ignore-race-in-christopher-lanes-murder/

Just look at all of those MS Liberal Media outlets ignoring this story.


It is not a national media story until Obama speaks out on it and sheds a tear. Until Obama says "if I had a son, he would look like Chris", it's not a big deal.

He just posted the story from pretty much every major media outlet that Rush Limbaugh listeners dub MSM. You should punch yourself in the face.

[boobie4three]

I would have taken great pleasure in shooting these bastards.

Suspects hit hot dog vendor with hammer at local Home Depot





http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/allsuspectshomedepot_zps0cfeb5a6.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/allsuspectshomedepot_zps0cfeb5a6.jpg.html)

by KMOV.com staff
KMOV.com
Posted on August 22, 2013 at 12:19 PM
Updated yesterday at 7:45 PM

(KMOV) – Police are hoping surveillance video will help catch four suspects after a hot dog vender was robbed and attacked with a stolen hammer at a Ferguson Home Depot on Wednesday.
Authorities said the hot dog vendor was standing at the front entrance of the Home Depot in the 10900 block of New Halls Ferry Rd. around 3 p.m. when four shoplifters walked by and swiped his cell phone.
Police said the vendor chased them out of the store, but was struck in the head with a hammer one of the suspects had stolen. The suspects then got in a car and drove away.
The bloodied victim was transported to the hospital with serious injuries.
Authorities were looking at surveillance video to help identify the suspects.

http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Police-Suspects-hit-hot-dog-vendor-with-hammer-at-local-Home-Depot-220688811.html

[scott]

it's laughable to say just half. I bet you think it was just the conservative half too, right hahaha? I'm not saying there wasn't a little more to the story, but race was the overwhelming driver of the story. Racial politics is what drives your political party.

Speaking of laughable

[Creepn]

So you guys getting the picture of what a real thug is? He won't be buying skittles.

[Bill_Brasky]

I love how when retards get their asses handed to them by well spoken rational thinkers, their only response is "well you're just pushing a libtard agenda!"

[AntiChrist]

Q: Why did NBC edit George Zimmerman's 911 call?

Perhaps some well spoken rational thinkers can shed some light on this?

[spursncowboys]

Q: Why did NBC edit George Zimmerman's 911 call?

Perhaps some well spoken rational thinkers can shed some light on this?
didnt you see newsroom? Because the editor was working on a slow internet connection, and an african kid got killed on her back while she was running from african sheep thieves. Then factor in her drinking problem due to that and her heightened pursuit of justice.

[TSA]

Q: Why did NBC edit George Zimmerman's 911 call?

Perhaps some well spoken rational thinkers can shed some light on this?

Why did a staffer erase Trayvon's cell phone data?

[Spurminator]

didnt you see newsroom? Because the editor was working on a slow internet connection, and an african kid got killed on her back while she was running from african sheep thieves. Then factor in her drinking problem due to that and her heightened pursuit of justice.

:lol

[TSA]

So no hate crime charged. :lol

Imagine if a white guy had tweeted he hated blacks and then killed one and wasn't charged with a hate crime.

[scott]

So no hate crime charged. :lol

Imagine if a white guy had tweeted he hated blacks and then killed one and wasn't charged with a hate crime.

So this is the lack of justice?

[TSA]

So this is the lack of justice?

They'll serve their time, but do you not see the double standard here?

[Oh, Gee!!]

So no hate crime charged. :lol

Imagine if a white guy had tweeted he hated blacks and then killed one and wasn't charged with a hate crime.

Blame the DA who has the case. It is his choice to charge with a hate crime, not the media's.

[scott]

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33099.pdf

Kansas
Crime/Penalty
Enhancement
Yes Kan. Stat. Ann. § 21-4716 (2009)—Establishes aggravating sentencing factor that
include: the offense was motivated entirely or in part by the race, color, religion,
ethnicity, national origin or sexual orientation of the victim or the offense was
motivated by the defendant’s belief or perception, entirely or in part, of the race,
color, religion, ethnicity, national origin or sexual orientation of the victim whether
or not the defendant's belief or perception was correct.
Kan. Stat. Ann. § 21-4003 (2009)—Denial of civil rights on account of the race,
color, ancestry, national origin or religion is a class A nonperson misdemeanor.
Institutional
Vandalism
Yes Kan. Stat. Ann. § 21-4111 (2009)—Criminal desecration includes by means other
than by fire or explosive, damaging, defacing or destroying any place of worship.
Data
Collection
Yes Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4604 (2009)—The governor, with the assistance of the
attorney general and the Kansas commission on peace officers' standards and
training, shall develop a request for a proposal for a system to collect and report
statistics relating to the race, ethnicity, gender, age and residency by county and
state of those who come in contact with law enforcement activities.
Law
Enforcement
Training
Yes Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4604 (2009)—The governor, with the assistance of the
attorney general and the Kansas commission on peace officers' standards and
training, shall develop a request for a proposal for a system to collect and report
statistics relating to the race, ethnicity, gender, age and residency by county and
state of those who come in contact with law enforcement activities. The results of
such study shall be submitted to the governor and attorney general within 90 days
after conclusion of such study. The governor shall submit the study to the
legislature with one or more of the following:
(1) An evaluation of the study; (2) an implementation plan to expand the data
collection and reporting system to other law enforcement agencies and whether
such system should be made permanent; and (3) recommendations to improve law
enforcement training and operations to address racial, ethnic, gender, age or
residency bias.

[TSA]

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33099.pdf

Kansas
Crime/Penalty
Enhancement
Yes Kan. Stat. Ann. § 21-4716 (2009)—Establishes aggravating sentencing factor that
include: the offense was motivated entirely or in part by the race, color, religion,
ethnicity, national origin or sexual orientation of the victim or the offense was
motivated by the defendant’s belief or perception, entirely or in part, of the race,
color, religion, ethnicity, national origin or sexual orientation of the victim whether
or not the defendant's belief or perception was correct.
Kan. Stat. Ann. § 21-4003 (2009)—Denial of civil rights on account of the race,
color, ancestry, national origin or religion is a class A nonperson misdemeanor.
Institutional
Vandalism
Yes Kan. Stat. Ann. § 21-4111 (2009)—Criminal desecration includes by means other
than by fire or explosive, damaging, defacing or destroying any place of worship.
Data
Collection
Yes Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4604 (2009)—The governor, with the assistance of the
attorney general and the Kansas commission on peace officers' standards and
training, shall develop a request for a proposal for a system to collect and report
statistics relating to the race, ethnicity, gender, age and residency by county and
state of those who come in contact with law enforcement activities.
Law
Enforcement
Training
Yes Kan. Stat. Ann. § 22-4604 (2009)—The governor, with the assistance of the
attorney general and the Kansas commission on peace officers' standards and
training, shall develop a request for a proposal for a system to collect and report
statistics relating to the race, ethnicity, gender, age and residency by county and
state of those who come in contact with law enforcement activities. The results of
such study shall be submitted to the governor and attorney general within 90 days
after conclusion of such study. The governor shall submit the study to the
legislature with one or more of the following:
(1) An evaluation of the study; (2) an implementation plan to expand the data
collection and reporting system to other law enforcement agencies and whether
such system should be made permanent; and (3) recommendations to improve law
enforcement training and operations to address racial, ethnic, gender, age or
residency bias.

Kansas? WTF

[ChumpDumper]

Are there any applicable hate crime laws in Oklahoma, TSA?

[TSA]

Yes.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes.I couldn't find one. Could you post it?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Misdemeanors are still defined by laws.

[ChumpDumper]

Misdemeanors are still defined by laws.So post the law you are talking about.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'll post the law after you answer the question, give or receive?

[ChumpDumper]

I'll post the law after you answer the question, give or receive?Wow, you really are desperate to know.

The answer is no, I will not have sex with you.

I found a pretty weak law. Is it §21-850 to which you are referring?

[AntiChrist]

Q: Why did NBC edit George Zimmerman's 911 call?

Perhaps some well spoken rational thinkers can shed some light on this?

I guess no one had a good answer to this question.

[TeyshaBlue]

There's no good answer, tbh.

[2centsworth]

Because the white community doesn't need defending. Are you kidding me? Speak to a American Muslim about how their lives have changed after 9/11. Then speak to a white american about how their lives have changed after Rodney King or Jasper. Or how their lives haven't changed, rather.

You prove my point here. You seem to state that policy and public opinion should be dictated by the isolated killing of 1 black man vs the killing of thousands of innocent people because the offenders in the former were white. You sound like you're justifying the perception of white people caused by Rodney King and Jasper incidents because, well, it only affects white people. IMO nothing can be further from the trust since your political party would not survive without the general belief by latinos, blacks, and guilt ridden whites that there's a war on blacks by whites. That negatively affects everyone, since as you admitted, the public is being swayed more by false perception rather than fact.

[2centsworth]

So now we're nit picking numbers? Sorry I was off by two percent. Less than half. http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2013/48_agree_with_zimmerman_verdict_34_disagree

Keep making this a partisan issue if you want but just because I find you incapable of grasping nuance and too easily swayed by the Right Wing sources you're clearly getting your marching orders from doesn't mean I'm a democrat.

hilarious, since your first instinct was to accuse me on being a right winger. You're proving to everyone that actually thinks on this board that you're as shallow as they come. Too bad because I used to have a little more respect for you.

[Spurminator]

I guess no one had a good answer to this question.

The NBC producer who was subsequently fired? He probably had some kind of liberal race-baiting agenda. Now he's unemployed.

Do you think this went all the way to the top? The fact that he edited the call made more news than the edit itself. You can't possibly think there was some sort of MSM conspiracy to mislead the public about an interview which could be easily played whole?

[Spurminator]

hilarious, since your first instinct was to accuse me on being a right winger. You're proving to everyone that actually thinks on this board that you're as shallow as they come. Too bad because I used to have a little more respect for you.

Crocodile tears. You are a right winger. I don't mean that as an insult, but don't insult our intelligence by trying to suggest otherwise, just own it. There's very little I care less about in this world than the respect of anonymous internet posters. Sorry.

[Wild Cobra]

I guess no one had a good answer to this question.

At least not an intelligent answer...

[Bill_Brasky]

nobody cares about your stupid ass shitty straw man darrin. when WC is on your side it's definitely a bad thing.

[AntiChrist]

The NBC producer who was subsequently fired? He probably had some kind of liberal race-baiting agenda. Now he's unemployed.

Do you think this went all the way to the top? The fact that he edited the call made more news than the edit itself. You can't possibly think there was some sort of MSM conspiracy to mislead the public about an interview which could be easily played whole?


Lol -- showing old mugshot of GZ next to a 12 y.o. TM
Lol -- "white Hispanic"
Lol -- "coons" when he said "punks"
Lol -- lightening TM hoodie photo

[boobie4three]

Zimmerman will have the last laugh. He'll rape NBC for million$.

[Th'Pusher]

Lol -- showing old mugshot of GZ next to a 12 y.o. TM
Lol -- "white Hispanic"
Lol -- "coons" when he said "punks"
Lol -- lightening TM hoodie photo
So answer his question. Do you think this went all the way to the top?

[2centsworth]

Crocodile tears. You are a right winger. I don't mean that as an insult, but don't insult our intelligence by trying to suggest otherwise, just own it. There's very little I care less about in this world than the respect of anonymous internet posters. Sorry.
I've met plenty of people on this board at several GTGs over the years, so I'm far from anonymous. Maybe one day I'll meet you? Until then, you come across as shallow and programmed. Btw, my politics revolve around my passion for economic progress for minorities. Anyone who actually reads can see that.

[AntiChrist]

So answer his question. Do you think this went all the way to the top?

I have no idea.

[boobie4three]

So answer his question. Do you think this went all the way to the top?

I'm sure the top person at NBC condoned it otherwise they would have put the kibosh to that false narrative. Whether they were in on it or not, NBC is the defendant should a lawsuit be filed because they hired the clown that did the report.

[Trill Clinton]

what is this thread about now? chris lane got his justice swiftly. is the rest just a bunch of fake outrage from the privileged race?

[boobie4three]

what is this thread about now? chris lane got his justice swiftly. is the rest just a bunch of fake outrage from the privileged race?

You'll be glad to hear that the pendulum has swung. Blacks are now the privileged race.

[AntiChrist]

Lol -- Infamous race baiter, fraud, and tax evader is a host at MSNBC and TM family's advocate

[scott]

Kansas? WTF

Copy/paste fail... sorry.

Oklahoma
Crime/Penalty
Enhancement
Yes Okla. Stat. tit. 21, § 850 (2010)—No person shall maliciously and with the specific
intent to intimidate or harass another person because of that person’s race, color,
religion, ancestry, national origin or disability: assault or batter another person;
damage, destroy, vandalize or deface any real or personal property of another
person; or threaten, by word or act, to do any act prohibited by paragraph 1 or 2
of this subsection if there is reasonable cause to believe that such act will occur.
No person shall maliciously and with specific intent to incite or produce, and which
is likely to incite or produce, imminent violence, which violence would be directed
against another person because of that person's race, color, religion, ancestry,
national origin or disability, make or transmit, cause or allow to be transmitted, any
telephonic, computerized, or electronic message. No person shall maliciously and
with specific intent to incite or produce, and which is likely to incite or produce,
imminent violence, which violence would be directed against another person
because of that person's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin or disability,
broadcast, publish, or distribute, cause or allow to be broadcast, published or
distributed, any message or material.
Okla. Stat. tit. 21, § 1174 (2010)—It shall be unlawful for any person or persons,
with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons, to burn, or cause to
be burned, a cross on the property of another, a highway or other public place.
Institutional
Vandalism
Yes Okla. Stat. tit. 21, § 1765 (2010)—Any person who willfully breaks, defaces, or
otherwise injures any house of worship, or any part thereof, or any appurtenance
thereto, or any book, furniture, ornament, musical instrument, article of silver or
plated ware, or other chattel kept therein for use in connection with religious
worship, shall be guilty of a felony.
Data
Collection
Yes Okla. Stat. tit. 21, § 850 (2010)—The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation shall
develop a standard system for state and local law enforcement agencies to report
incidents of crime which are apparently directed against members of racial, ethnic,
religious groups or other groups specified by this section.
Law
Enforcement
Training
No No statute found.

[TeyshaBlue]

Crocodile tears. You are a right winger. I don't mean that as an insult, but don't insult our intelligence by trying to suggest otherwise, just own it. There's very little I care less about in this world than the respect of anonymous internet posters. Sorry.

I've met 2c. 23 yr old black chick.

[ChumpDumper]

You'll be glad to hear that the pendulum has swung. Blacks are now the privileged race.Seriously?

[boobie4three]

Seriously?

I was responding to absurdity by being absurd. This whole "white privilege" horseshit gets me riled up.:soapbox:

[ChumpDumper]

I was responding to absurdity by being absurd. This whole "white privilege" horseshit gets me riled up.:soapbox:Seems to be working out pretty well for whitey in Montana today.

[scroteface]

Seems to be working out pretty well for whitey in Montana today.
Shut your Zionist cocksucker

[ChumpDumper]

Shut your Zionist cocksuckerYou are especially sensitive today.

[Trill Clinton]

I was responding to absurdity by being absurd. This whole "white privilege" horseshit gets me riled up.:soapbox:

nothing to be riled up over, dude. just accept it for what it is.

[Trill Clinton]

white privelege is evident even on ST. while whites are the most racist and inflammatory posters on the board, somehow i got the label as the most racist member here.

[resistanze]

:lol @ thread

When keeping it 'angry White Man' goes wrong. Even the Tea Party would cringe.

[AntiChrist]

white privelege is evident even on ST. while whites are the most racist and inflammatory posters on the board, somehow i got the label as the most racist member here.


http://www.hulu.com/watch/10356

[Creepn]

I've met 2c. 23 yr old black chick.

Old white right winger male trapped in a young black girl's body tbh. So technically the same thing.

[Trill Clinton]

wait...2centsworth is a sista?

[AntiChrist]

Old white right winger male trapped in a young black girl's body tbh. So technically the same thing.


wait...2centsworth is a sista?


You guys need to get her to toe the line. There's no room for diversity of thought in the grievance industrial complex.

[Trill Clinton]

You guys need to get her to toe the line. There's no room for diversity of thought in the grievance industrial complex.

yea whatever. is your real name, darrin? kinda odd how you got stuck with having a black name.

[AntiChrist]

yea whatever. is your real name, darrin? kinda odd how you got stuck with having a black name.


lol, if you say so

[Trill Clinton]

lol, if you say so

lol i'm serious. if your real name is indeed darrin, then props to your parents for giving you a black name. i've never met a white dude named darrin.

[Creepn]

lol, if you say so

lol I googled "Darrin".

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Darrin+a+black+name%3f&FORM=HDRSC2

[Trill Clinton]

lol I googled "Darrin".

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Darrin+a+black+name%3f&FORM=HDRSC2



:lmao

[TeyshaBlue]

lol i'm serious. if your real name is indeed darrin, then props to your parents for giving you a black name. i've never met a white dude named darrin.

Darrin says "Hi!" http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/kingsley_dick_york.jpg

[TeyshaBlue]

Actually, I've known 5 Darrins....not a one of 'em a black dude. Must be a west Texas thang.

[Th'Pusher]

Generally speaking Darrin is the black spelling and Darren is the white spelling.

[TeyshaBlue]

Apparently we're not the best spellurz in west Texas.:lol

[AntiChrist]

Generally speaking Darrin is the black spelling and Darren is the white spelling.

Damn, my mom f*cked up! :lol