Obama Bout To HAM On Syria - Where My War Mongers At?

[SA210]

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:rollin

[ElNono]

McCain: Syria 'no' vote would be 'catastrophic'

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/john-mccain-syria-vote-96170.html

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao genocidal maniacs.

the only genocidal maniacs are the Bush including the adoptive Saudi son Bandar Bush Bin Satan

USA is nothing but a puppet of the Saudi-Israeli coalition

"Saudi is on board with the attacks" - John Kerry :lmao

they won't even let US refuel or take off their jets from Saudi :lol

So you think that the Israelis and Saudis are together controlling the USA? Where is the Illuminati in all of this?

[boutons_deux]

https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1175341_3451851992346_695730457_n.jpg

Still hyping that yet-another thoroughly debunked Repug fabricated scandal? :lol

IRS targeted only right-wing fraudulent groups? :lol

[boutons_deux]

MSM this weekend and on Monday's Morning Joe is REALLY PUSHING for bombing Syria.

shit like "Obama put the country in a corner",

US, Obama credibility (aka "honor") at stake if murderous "Imperial USA #1" DOESN'T bomb Syria

etc, etc, etc, just endless bullshit.

Pretty much the same spineless shit and chickenshit groupthink that the MSM herd spewed instead of REALLY exposing the LIES and bullying the Repugs used to invade Iraq-for-oil.

[boutons_deux]

right-wingers here trashing Obama if USA bombs Syria, or if it doesn't, yawn.

Watch the hard-core, blood-thirsty Repug neocons vote against bombing just because Obama proposed it.

After absolutely INSISTING on a Congressional vote, they will now frame it as a defeat for Obama (but it will be a WIN for the gas bombers) rather than as a victory for checks-and-balance (really a defeat for dichhead's unConstitutional "unitary executive" as Emperor beyond check-and-balances).

Remember the dubya/dickhead Repugs said the Global War on Terrorism was open-ended so the President has open-ended right to wage war.

Obviously, gassing in a civil war is a TERRORIST act (but even K-12 students in USA get charged with terrorism by ignorant fucking cops).

[pgardn]

:lmao genocidal maniacs.

the only genocidal maniacs are the Bush including the adoptive Saudi son Bandar Bush Bin Satan

USA is nothing but a puppet of the Saudi-Israeli coalition

"Saudi is on board with the attacks" - John Kerry :lmao

they won't even let US refuel or take off their jets from Saudi :lol

Make it as simplistic as possible...
Israeli-Saudi coalition... While I'm sure they have some mutual interests, this is hilarious in a sick sorta way.

[boobie4three]

Why many Republicans won't support Obama on Syria attack

BY BYRON YORK | SEPTEMBER 2, 2013 AT 7:59 PM

Early signs say it will be hard for President Obama to win congressional authorization for military action in Syria. That could change; lawmakers might re-write the president's draft authorization into something they can live with, ultimately allowing Obama to go forward. But whatever happens, Republicans have a compelling case for rejecting the president's request. Based on off-the-record conversations with some of them, this is it:

1) The chemical weapons evidence. The Obama administration appears to believe that conclusive proof that the Assad regime used chemical weapons against Syrian civilians creates an unassailable case for U.S. intervention. A few lawmakers will likely challenge whether the proof is really conclusive. But a far larger number will accept the evidence that Assad used chemical weapons -- and still reject intervention.

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Those lawmakers will argue that Obama did not intervene when Assad used conventional weapons to slaughter thousands of innocent people; the death toll in the two-and-and-half-year civil war is put at 100,000. What is different now? They will also point to the various atrocities and human rights violations around the world in which the United States has not intervened. American involvement, they will argue, should be contingent on a genuine U.S. national security interest, not the simple fact that an awful thing has been done.

2) The blank check problem. Lots of lawmakers, Republican and Democrat, believe Obama's draft resolution gives the president too much power. The draft would grant Obama the authority to use armed force "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" in connection with weapons of mass destruction in Syria, for the purpose of preventing the future use or spread of those weapons, or, more generally, protecting the U.S. and its allies.

For many lawmakers, that's too broad a mandate. But a significant number of members might reject even a narrowed version of the resolution on the grounds that, once the use of force is authorized, Congress as a practical matter will have little control over how the president exercises it.

3) The nature of the Syrian opposition. Many Republicans will never be convinced the U.S. can come to the aid of good rebels in Syria without also helping bad rebels in Syria. It's just too complicated, they believe, and there are simply too many bad guys. Why risk aiding al Qaeda or its affiliates? These Republicans remain unconvinced by arguments from fellow GOP lawmakers like John McCain, who point out that in the Libyan operation the U.S. essentially set up a safe area for good rebels in Benghazi. Given what happened later in that Libyan city, the skeptics will remain unconvinced.

4) The lack of confidence in Barack Obama. There's no doubt the president has been extremely reluctant to take action in Syria. He also showed terrible judgment by painting himself into a corner with his 2012 "red line" comments on chemical weapons. For those reasons, and more, some Republicans will argue that they simply cannot entrust special warmaking powers to a president who they believe is not competent to use them.

5) The "first to die" dilemma. Some Republicans are so war-weary that they would be loathe to authorize any military action in the absence of an actual attack on the United States. When Sen. Rand Paul re-phrased John Kerry's words from Vietnam -- Kerry famously asked, "How do you ask a man to be the last to die for a mistake?" which Paul changed to "How do you ask a man to be the first to die for a mistake?" -- the senator from Kentucky was signaling that there is virtually no way lawmakers like him will ever support a Syrian initiative.

How many Republicans hold some or all of these beliefs? Quite a few. Perhaps in anticipation of a close vote, a new argument is circulating among pro-interventionists which says that protecting the prerogatives of future presidents is so important that Republicans should support Obama's Syrian action even if there is no good case for doing so.

Rejecting Obama could permanently weaken the presidency, argues political scientist James Ceaser in an article cited by influential conservative commentator William Kristol. Therefore, Republicans should vote to authorize force "even if they think that the president’s policy will prove ineffective, do no good, waste money, or entail unforeseen risks…even if they think he has gotten the nation into this situation by blunders, fecklessness, arrogance, or naiveté; and…even if, and especially, if they have no confidence in his judgment."

That will be a very hard sell for Republicans. In the end, many will carefully consider all the evidence and then vote their instincts. And that will mean a vote against Barack Obama.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/why-many-republicans-wont-support-obama-on-syria-attack/article/2535061

[pgardn]

right-wingers here trashing Obama if USA bombs Syria, or if it doesn't, yawn.

Watch the hard-core, blood-thirsty Repug neocons vote against bombing just because Obama proposed it.

After absolutely INSISTING on a Congressional vote, they will now frame it as a defeat for Obama (but it will be a WIN for the gas bombers) rather than as a victory for checks-and-balance (really a defeat for dichhead's unConstitutional "unitary executive" as Emperor beyond check-and-balances).

Remember the dubya/dickhead Repugs said the Global War on Terrorism was open-ended so the President has open-ended right to wage war.

Obviously, gassing in a civil war is a TERRORIST act (but even K-12 students in USA get charged with terrorism by ignorant fucking cops).


The bolded is how politics is played. This win/win positioning was not invented by the Republicans. This should not be new to you. This kind of crap is played out in business offices as well. But it's not good for business and should be recognized as such. It's not good for the country either.

[boutons_deux]

Why many Republicans won't support Obama on Syria attack

4) The lack of confidence in Barack Obama. There's no doubt the president has been extremely reluctant to take action in Syria. He also showed terrible judgment by painting himself into a corner with his 2012 "red line" comments on chemical weapons. For those reasons, and more, some Republicans will argue that they simply cannot entrust special warmaking powers to a president who they believe is not competent to use them.


http://washingtonexaminer.com/why-many-republicans-wont-support-obama-on-syria-attack/article/2535061

but the Repugs had "confidence" in dubya and dickhead? that worked great! :lol

[boobie4three]

but the Repugs had "confidence" in dubya and dickhead? that worked great! :lol

Well why make the same mistake twice then?

[boutons_deux]

Well why make the same mistake twice then?

it's not a question about confidence. It's about Repugs blindly, reflexively obstructing any and all stuff Dem, just like they blindly, reflexively SUPPORTED all the Repug shit from 2001 - 2009.

A Repug voting for a Dem project, or "crossing the isle" to compromise, means getting primaried by extreme right wing tea baggers.

Ask Saxby Chandless and any moderate Repugs who have resigned or been beaten/primaried.

The tea baggers are PURIFYING the Repug party so that nothing will left but extremely SEPTIC nut-case extremists like Cruz and 100% intimidated non-extremists.

[boobie4three]

The tea baggers are PURIFYING the Repug party...

We can only hope.

[boobie4three]

MCCAIN: SHOUTING 'ALLAHU AKHBAR!' SAME AS CHRISTIANS SHOUTING 'THANK GOD!'

by BEN SHAPIRO 3 Sep 2013, 7:00 AM PDT


On Tuesday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) suggested that Fox News host Brian Kilmeade was Islamaphobic because he said that Syrian opposition groups shouting “Allahu Akhbar! Allahu Akhbar!” as rockets hit government offices demonstrated Islamist influence among the opposition.

“I have a problem helping those people screaming that after a hit,” Kilmeade said. McCain responded: “Would you have a problem with an American or Christians saying ‘thank God? Thank God?’” He added, “That’s what they’re saying. Come on! Of course they’re Muslims, but they’re moderates and I guarantee you they are moderates.” McCain provided no evidence to suggest that Syrian opposition groups are moderate, as opposed to the wide swath of evidence suggesting that the opposition is heavily infested with al Qaeda.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/03/McCain-allahu-akhbar

[boutons_deux]

breitbart? :lol

The Imperial Pretensions That Dominate Washington

how seriously will the world take a bomb-and-missile laden gesture against sarin gas when CIA documents now confirm that Washington helped Saddam Hussein use sarin (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he _gassed_iran?page=full) and other chemical agents against Iran in 1988.? As Secretary of State [8]John Kerry (http://www.todayonline.com/world/middle-east/us-set-syria-strikes-after-kerry-says-evidence-chemical-attack-clear)[8] himself said, "History will judge us all extraordinarily harshly if we turn a blind eye to a dictator's wanton use of weapons of mass destruction."

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/266-32/19212-the-imperial-pretensions-that-dominate-washington

The USA Empire depends on ignorant, amnesiac, dumbed-down Americans, who NEVER rise up. Those who do take to the streets like the 99% OWS against the 1%, or minimum wage workers, get trashed by right-wingers, suckers, dupes, and/or shills, here and elsewhere, and playing right into the Empire's hands.



CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he _gassed_iran)

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he _gassed_iran?page=full

[boobie4three]

breitbart? :lol

The Imperial Pretensions That Dominate Washington

how seriously will the world take a bomb-and-missile laden gesture against sarin gas when CIA documents now confirm that Washington helped Saddam Hussein use sarin (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he _gassed_iran?page=full) and other chemical agents against Iran in 1988.? As Secretary of State [8]John Kerry (http://www.todayonline.com/world/middle-east/us-set-syria-strikes-after-kerry-says-evidence-chemical-attack-clear)[8] himself said, "History will judge us all extraordinarily harshly if we turn a blind eye to a dictator's wanton use of weapons of mass destruction."

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/266-32/19212-the-imperial-pretensions-that-dominate-washington

The USA Empire depends on ignorant, amnesiac, dumbed-down Americans, who NEVER rise up. Those who do take to the streets like the 99% OWS against the 1%, or minimum wage workers, get trashed by right-wingers, suckers, dupes, and/or shills, here and elsewhere, and playing right into the Empire's hands.



CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he _gassed_iran)

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he _gassed_iran?page=full





Alrighty then. I'll put you down as a "NO" on striking Syria. Welcome to the team.

[TeyshaBlue]

breitbart?


lol thinkprogress

[SA210]

https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/1235297_667326056613497_1052332054_n.jpg

[cheguevara]

So you think that the Israelis and Saudis are together controlling the USA? Where is the Illuminati in all of this?


Israelis have the most powerful international lobby inside the US government

and Saudis are 100% backed monarchy by the US due to the unlimited funds and oil resources. They also have lifetime contracts with US oil companies and now have large ownership of US corps and banks. If you think these 2 are not dominant forces in US policy you need your diapers changed

[SA210]

:lol

[cheguevara]

apparently Bandar Bin Satan provided the chems for the false flag attack:

http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/

However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.

“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”

Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation.

“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.

The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.” told ya this chems BS is all but BS :lol


sY_9SrIUVwU

[cheguevara]

Mustafa Alani, a Gulf analyst with good connections to Saudi officials, said the kingdom was also warning Washington that a failure to attack Assad would benefit their common enemy al-Qaeda: “No action will boost the extremist position,” he said, explaining that rebel despair at US inaction on Syria would push more fighters to switch allegiance to Islamist militants.

“Without a punishment of the Syrian regime, extremists will enjoy wider support and attract more moderate fighters.”

:lmao I knew this was coming

so basically the Saudi's way of thinking is: US should hit Syria and help Al-Qaeda now or Al-Qaeda will get mad and do some terror attacks at US for failing to help them
:lmao

this is similar threat Bandar Bin Satan issued to Putin last month "drop Syria and our Chechen terrorists will not try to attack your Olympics"

[cheguevara]

:lmao Bin Satan takes a break from funding terrorists and warmongering all over the world to insult the pathetic Qataris :lol

The Saudi Arabian Spy Chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan al-Saud, has allegedly ridiculed the kingdom’s Persian Gulf neighbor Qatar, describing it as "only 300 people and a television channel" but "not a country."

[boutons_deux]

Why Climate Change May Be Responsible for the Horrors in Syria


Syria has been convulsed by civil war since climate change came to Syria with a vengeance. Drought devastated the country from 2006 to 2011. Rainfall in most of the country fell below eight inches (20 cm) a year, the absolute minimum needed to sustain un-irrigated farming. Desperate for water, farmers began to tap aquifers with tens of thousands of new well. But, as they did, the water table quickly dropped to a level below which their pumps could lift it.

In some areas, all agriculture ceased. In others crop failures reached 75%. And generally as much as 85% of livestock died of thirst or hunger. Hundreds of thousands of Syria’s farmers gave up, abandoned their farms and fled to the cities and towns in search of almost non-existent jobs and severely short food supplies. Outside observers including UN experts estimated that between 2 and 3 million of Syria’s 10 million rural inhabitants were reduced to “extreme poverty.”



The domestic Syrian refugees immediately found that they had to compete not only with one another for scarce food, water and jobs, but also with the already existing foreign refugee population. Syria already was a refuge for quarter of a million Palestinians and about a hundred thousand people who had fled the war and occupation of Iraq. Formerly prosperous farmers were lucky to get jobs as hawkers or street sweepers. And in the desperation of the times, hostilities erupted among groups that were competing just to survive.

Survival was the key issue. The senior UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) representative in Syria turned to the USAID program for help. Terming the situation “a perfect storm,” in November 2008, he warned that Syria faced “social destruction.” He noted that the Syrian Minister of Agriculture had “stated publicly that [the] economic and social fallout from the drought was ‘beyond our capacity as a country to deal with.’” But, his appeal fell on deaf ears: the USAID director commented that “we question whether limited USG resources should be directed toward this appeal at this time.” (reported on November 26, 2008 in cable 08DAMASCUS847_a to Washington and “leaked” to Wikileaks )

Whether or not this was a wise decision, we now know that the Syrian government made the situation much worse by its next action. Lured by the high price of wheat on the world market, it sold its reserves. In 2006, according to the US Department of Agriculture, it sold 1,500,000 metric tons or twice as much as in the previous year. The next year it had little left to export; in 2008 and for the rest of the drought years it had to import enough wheat to keep its citizens alive.

So tens of thousands of frightened, angry, hungry and impoverished former farmers flooded constituted a “tinder” that was ready to catch fire. The spark was struck on March 15, 2011 when a relatively small group gathered in the town of Daraa to protest against government failure to help them. Instead of meeting with the protestors and at least hearing their complaints, the government cracked down on them as subversives. The Assads, who had ruled the country since 1971, were not known for political openness or popular sensitivity. And their action backfired. Riots broke out all over the country, and as they did, the Assads attempted to quell them with military force. They failed to do so and, as outside help – money from the Gulf states and Muslim “freedom fighters” from the rest of the world – poured into the country, the government lost control of over 30% of the country’s rural areas and perhaps half of its population. By the spring of 2013, according to the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR), upwards of 100,000 people had been killed in the fighting, perhaps 2 million have lost their homes and upwards of 2 million have fled abroad. Additionally, vast amounts of infrastructure, virtually whole cities like Aleppo, have been destroyed.

http://www.alternet.org/syria?akid=10875.187590.Erlfad&rd=1&src=newsletter891217&t=9&paging=off

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Israelis have the most powerful international lobby inside the US government

and Saudis are 100% backed monarchy by the US due to the unlimited funds and oil resources. They also have lifetime contracts with US oil companies and now have large ownership of US corps and banks. If you think these 2 are not dominant forces in US policy you need your diapers changed

You said they controlled our policy. And either you do not understand the meaning of the word dominate or the breadth of lobbying efforts in this country.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

apparently Bandar Bin Satan provided the chems for the false flag attack:

http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/

However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.

“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”

Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation.

“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.

The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.” told ya this chems BS is all but BS :lol


sY_9SrIUVwU

So is it AQ or the Saudis? Or is it now that the Saudis are AQ?

[cheguevara]

:lmao Christine Amanpour gets her shit pushed in by Syrian ambassador

:lol loses her cool and resorts to "how do you sleep at night" question

:lol Syrian ambassador drops an Obama "yes we can" quote to finish her off :lol

:lmao cnn

IGVw3LdW-vg

[cheguevara]

You said they controlled our policy. And either you do not understand the meaning of the word dominate or the breadth of lobbying efforts in this country.

They are controlling the policy because the US politicians are completely lost and don't know what to do. So by being the loudest maniacs in the room, yes, the Saudis-Oil Cos + Israelis are controlling our current policy in the middle east

[cheguevara]

So is it AQ or the Saudis? Or is it now that the Saudis are AQ?

Saudis are funding and training the terrorists fighting in Syria including AQ. Bandar Bush Bin Satan, the head of Saudi Intelligence admitted this

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Saudis are funding and training the terrorists fighting in Syria including AQ. Bandar Bush Bin Satan, the head of Saudi Intelligence admitted this

And a credible source for this admission? And don't tell me to look it up as it is your claim.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They are controlling the policy because the US politicians are completely lost and don't know what to do. So by being the loudest maniacs in the room, yes, the Saudis-Oil Cos + Israelis are controlling our current policy in the middle east

I suppose they control the US military as well seeing the JCoS position in all this?

[cheguevara]

And a credible source for this admission? And don't tell me to look it up as it is your claim.

already posted in this thread. See the meeting with Putin and the press releases from Moscow on this

[cheguevara]

I suppose they control the US military as well seeing the JCoS position in all this?

Joyful Company of Singers?

[whitemamba]

Anyone here know any syrian people?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Joyful Company of Singers?

joint chiefs of staff

[cheguevara]

joint chiefs of staff

oh you mean the group of clowns that was also for the Iraq mess which cost thousands of american lives? ya, I'm not surprised at all those guys are for war. Let me guess the JCOS were for the Vietnam war too?

what is refreshing is hearing many soldiers are against Syria strikes

[FuzzyLumpkins]

oh you mean the group of clowns that was also for the Iraq mess which cost thousands of american lives? ya, I'm not surprised at all those guys are for war. Let me guess the JCOS were for the Vietnam war too?

what is refreshing is hearing many soldiers are against Syria strikes

You are changing the subject. We are talking about your Israeli and Saudi coalition. And I am sorry but a single man from a neighborhood asking his kid who he thought the weapons came from is not credible.

[cheguevara]

You are changing the subject. We are talking about your Israeli and Saudi coalition. And I am sorry but a single man from a neighborhood asking his kid who he thought the weapons came from is not credible.

Neither is a Power Point Presentation stating the opposite TBH

not changing the subject btw, you brought up JCOS and I pointed out those clown are usually for war no matter what

[SA210]

oh you mean the group of clowns that was also for the Iraq mess which cost thousands of american lives? ya, I'm not surprised at all those guys are for war. Let me guess the JCOS were for the Vietnam war too?

what is refreshing is hearing many soldiers are against Syria strikes

https://sphotos-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/s720x720/1238883_523625544381982_739360865_n.jpg

[angrydude]

:lmao Christine Amanpour gets her shit pushed in by Syrian ambassador

:lol loses her cool and resorts to "how do you sleep at night" question

:lol Syrian ambassador drops an Obama "yes we can" quote to finish her off :lol

:lmao cnn

IGVw3LdW-vg

Wow, that woman's a liar.

The rebels were caught red handed with chem weapons before and now she's blaming that on the Syrian govt too?

[SnakeBoy]

Anyone here know any syrian people?

I know a chick who has one.

[ElNono]

Did somebody drop this meme already?

http://i41.tinypic.com/2h64s5h.jpg

[boutons_deux]

https://sphotos-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/s720x720/1238883_523625544381982_739360865_n.jpg

posted after the Marine site was cracked.

[boobie4three]

posted after the Marine site was cracked.

I think you're implying these are fake servicemen. I don't think they are.

On another note, I'd be sick to my stomach if I had a child in the Armed Forces at this time serving under this incompetent Administration.

[boutons_deux]

I think you're implying these are fake servicemen. I don't think they are.

On another note, I'd be sick to my stomach if I had a child in the Armed Forces at this time serving under this incompetent Administration.

so you think Marines hacked their own website to post real pics of Marines?

"Armed Forces at this time serving under this incompetent Administration."

did you have the same sickness when dubya and dickhead were wasting 1000s of US lives and bodies in Iraq-for-oil? or botching Afghanistan, no exit policy, letting OBL escape to Pakistan?

[boobie4three]

so you think Marines hacked their own website to post real pics of Marines?

"Armed Forces at this time serving under this incompetent Administration."

did you have the same sickness when dubya and dickhead were wasting 1000s of US lives and bodies in Iraq-for-oil? or botching Afghanistan, no exit policy, letting OBL escape to Pakistan?

Why is it hard to imagine our service men and women don't want any part of this fiasco? I was in the Navy. I see can myself posting a picture like that, anonomously as they did.

If someone thought it was a bad to fight Iraq because they had WMDs, why would they think it's a good idea to fight Syria because they have WMDs? Oh yeah, it's to make 0bama look good, that's it. BTW, Iraq did have chemical weapons(WMDs).

[boutons_deux]

"Why is it hard to imagine our service men and women don't want any part of this fiasco"

who said they would be part of it?

it would be a "video game" intervention, bombs are missiles remotely controlled, not US military suckered into "serving their country".

"Iraq did have chemical weapons(WMDs)."

where's your proof?

[SA210]

They are real photos. Boutons all of a sudden buying the media propaganda on them being fake lol

Come on Boutons. You can't admit some truths about Obama being bad, but then pull back just bc the heat is on him. Go all the way. He isn't a real liberal. Don't be afraid to accept the truth. Stop talking about the piece if shit neocons. Obama is the one in office. Own. up man. He's a damn fraud and part of this whole problem, puppet or not.

[boobie4three]

"Why is it hard to imagine our service men and women don't want any part of this fiasco"

who said they would be part of it?

it would be a "video game" intervention, bombs are missiles remotely controlled, not US military suckered into "serving their country".

"Iraq did have chemical weapons(WMDs)."

where's your proof?




Not much of a history buff, are you? They used them during the Iran/Iraq war and again against the Kurds in northern Iraq. There was speculation that the rest of their stockpile was sent to Syria right before the US invasion.

[boutons_deux]

"There was speculation that the rest of their stockpile was sent to Syria"

speculation? :lol mostly by right-wingers, neocons, BigOil fellators trying to wiggle out of the total failure to find ANY WMD in Iraq-for-oil.

I know Saddam gassed Iranians and Kurds in the 80s, but dickhead invaded Iraq-for-oil be claiming Saddam still having WMD in 2002.

[boutons_deux]

"There was speculation that the rest of their stockpile was sent to Syria"

speculation? :lol mostly by right-wingers, neocons, BigOil fellators trying to wiggle out of the total failure to find ANY WMD in Iraq-for-oil.

I know Saddam gassed Iranians and Kurds in the 80s, but dickhead invaded Iraq-for-oil be claiming Saddam still having WMD in 2002.



and when Saddam gassed Iranians, St Ronnie, Rummy, Repugs said nothing. They were busy assisting genocides and dealing with drug cartels in Central America.

[SA210]

Obama: ‘I didn’t set a red line, the world set a red line’



:rollin:lmao

[TSA]

He gets more pathetic by the minute.

[SA210]

Jon Stewart: Obama’s red line ‘is actually a d**k-measuring ribbon’

http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Stewart93-e1378266357718.jpg

Jon Stewart mocked President Obama’s “red line” policy towards Syria on Tuesday, and said that a refusal to intervene in that country would be a sign of “maturity.”

“You got to see the red line,” the “Daily Show” host said after returning to the show from a 12-week absence. “You can’t use chemicals to use your own people. You have to do it organically. America and the world want to make sure Assad uses only locally-sourced free long-ranged lead ordinance. Now, back in the early 80s, we knew Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran and were likely to use them again. Not only did we not attack them we supported Iraq, we supported Iraq in doing that and of course, we still get to use bunker-busters, cluster bombs and mark-77, which is not, not filled with napalm, technically. So given the fact that we have no idea who has control over these chemical weapons in a failed Syria, remind us again why we have to do this?”

Stewart then played a few clips in which pundits argued the United States would look weak if it did not attack Syria.

“We have to bomb Syria because we are in seventh grade,” Stewart said. “And the red line — the red line that they crossed is actually a dick-measuring ribbon. Why does holding back look like weakness? Isn’t it maturity? It’s like the guy who is picking on Clark Kent and he doesn’t do anything, even though he knows he could throw that guy into the sun. I’ll tell you what would be real weakness — Clark Kent laying waste to a town because someone called him a pussy.”

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/04/jon-stewart-obamas-red-line-is-actually-a-dick-measuring-ribbon/

[cheguevara]

"The world's credibility is on the line" - Obama

:lmao the world did not set a BS red line faggot, this is your tree and you sit on it :lol

[boutons_deux]

senate committed passed its own resolution

now for votes of the full Senate, and probably a different resolution in the House. This could drag on for weeks.

[boutons_deux]

"The world's credibility is on the line" - Obama

:lmao the world did not set a BS red line faggot, this is your tree and you sit on it :lol

Many decades ago, nearly all world govt passed int'l laws against chemical warfare, eg, a "red line".

[cheguevara]

Many decades ago, nearly all world govt passed int'l laws against chemical warfare, eg, a "red line".

Syria and a handful of other nations (Including Israel) never signed these treaties.

Plus, where is the proof?

[TeyshaBlue]

This appears in the dictionary under "Clusterfuck".


http://homerecording.com/bbs/attachment.php?attachmentid=81658&d=1377891926

[The Reckoning]

interesting article, but i think the blogger is wrong on the chemical weapons issue.

correct me if i'm wrong, but yall say syria didn't sign the chem weapons ban treaty? what makes it our right to bomb them when there's no legal foundation to?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/08/29/9-questions-about-syria-you-were-too-embarrassed-to-ask/

[cheguevara]

interesting article, but i think the blogger is wrong on the chemical weapons issue.

correct me if i'm wrong, but yall say syria didn't sign the chem weapons ban treaty? what makes it our right to bomb them when there's no legal foundation to?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/08/29/9-questions-about-syria-you-were-too-embarrassed-to-ask/

Israel refused to sign it also btw

oh and more importantly, why did we reward Hussein when he used chems vs. Iran

or howcome we did not bomb ourselves when we used Agent Orange/Depleted Uranium on Iraqi chilren and our own troops??

[The Reckoning]

Israel refused to sign it also btw

oh and more importantly, why did we reward Hussein when he used chems vs. Iran

or howcome we did not bomb ourselves when we used Agent Orange/Depleted Uranium on Iraqi chilren and our own troops??


stick to Syria, thanks.


this should be a no brains decision, but Obama is clearly at the mercy of either the CIA or lobbyists or both.

[velik_m]

Syria and a handful of other nations (Including Israel) never signed these treaties.

Plus, where is the proof?


Syria is one of only five nations that haven’t signed the key international agreement on chemical weapons, the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention. The others are North Korea, Angola, Egypt, and South Sudan. Burma and Israel have signed the treaty but have yet to ratify it in their legislatures.

http://www.psmag.com/politics/unfortunately-syria-didnt-sign-the-worlds-chemical-weapons-treaty-64879/

[The Reckoning]

ok now that we know Syria has not signed the treaty then that means the "red line" set by the "international community" does not apply to them. i say fuck it because it is none of our damn business on a legal platform.

if anything, the international community should be pressuring Russia to not give aid to the Assad regime since Russia did in fact sign the treaty. instead, the US is making a fool out of itself and in the process Russia is looking like it's right, which it isn't. the US is poorly handling this situation.

[boutons_deux]

red lines? Repugs don't respect no steenkin red lines!

Fox Asks Rumsfeld About Extending "Hand Of Friendship" To Dictators, Forgets About Saddam Hussein


Fox & Friends invited former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld onto the program this morning for an unintentionally awkward round of Obama bashing regarding the situation in Syria. (The "so-called commander in chief" is how Rumsfeld mocked (http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/320165-rumsfeld-obama-is-so-called-commander-in-chief) the president.) As part of Fox's relentless critique of the president's handling of Syria, and his call for military strikes in response to the Syrian government's use of chemical weapons against its own people, Fox & Friends attacked Obama for moving too slowly.

Twice during the interview, Steve Doocy complained that Obama had previously "delayed" launching the successful attack that captured and killed Osama bin Laden. The fact that Doocy made the point to Rumsfeld, who as Secretary of Defense, could not locate (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/14/campbell.brown.bush/) bin Laden for seven-plus years in the wake of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, was clumsy at best.

Even more awkward though, was Brian Kilmeade's accusation put to Rumsfeld that the Obama White House had allegedly sent mixed messages to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad [emphasis added].

KILMEADE: Do you blame Assad for getting mixed signals from the very people now asking for war? From the people that once put their hand of friendship out?

Kilmeade wanted to know from Rumsfeld whether a Middle Eastern dictator accused of gassing people had been sent mixed messages from American officials who extended their hand of friendship but now threaten to use military force.

Well, Rumsfeld ought to know:

http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/saddam-rumsfeld.jpg


That's the now infamous photo (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/09/08/rumsfeld-handshake-proves-popular/) of Rumsfeld, as a U.S. special envoy, traveling to Baghdad in December 1983to meet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaP7ZrmkcuU) with Saddam Hussein. Rumsfeld was sent to improve relations (http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/) between the two countries while Iraq fought through the Iran-Iraq War. The photograph captured just one of multiple trips Rumsfeld made to Baghdad during that era.

What's so awkward about Fox pressing Rumsfeld on the U.S. sending "mixed signals" is Rumsfeld himself had offered a "hand of friendship" to Iraq's dictator at the time when Hussein was engaging in the use of banned (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/229055/Geneva-Protocol-on-Gas-Warfare)chemical weapons -- actions the Bush administration would later cite as a justification (http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/new/doc%2012/President%20Bush%20Outlines%20Iraqi%20Threat.htm) for military strikes.

From a December, 2002 Washington Post article (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1230-04.htm) detailing how the Reagan administration aided Saddam's notorious rise:

Declassified documents show that Rumsfeld traveled to Baghdad at a time when Iraq was using chemical weapons on an "almost daily" basis in defiance of international conventions.


And just last month Foreign Policy confirmed (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he _gassed_iran), "the U.S. had firm evidence of Iraqi chemical attacks beginning in 1983." Rumfseld has claimed he "cautioned" Saddam against using chemical weapons. "But there was no mention of such a warning in state department notes of the meeting," according to a Guardian report (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/dec/31/iraq.politics).

Still, there's no acknowledgement of the past from Rumsfeld. Appearing on Today this morning, when asked about his push for an invasion of Iraq during the Bush administration, Rumsfeld stressed (http://www.today.com/news/rumsfeld-syria-obama-leadership-has-lacked-vision-8C11073453), "You had a brutal dictator in Iraq who had used chemical weapons against his own people; used them against his neighbors."

Left unsaid was the fact that the U.S. knew Hussein was using chemical weapons when Rumsfeld traveled to Baghdad decades ago to extend his hand of friendship and restore diplomatic ties.

So no Brian Kilmeade, Donald Rumsfeld's probably not the best person to ask about the dangers of sending "mixed signals" to dictators.


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/04/fox-asks-rumsfeld-about-extending-hand-of-frien/195723

:lol

[SA210]

RIP


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgAVpPNusTs

[Trill Clinton]

this is all bullshit, all of it. if i didn't have a family and a career, i would leave this country in a heart beat. i'm so tired of these dumbass wars and this fake ass democracy we have.

[SA210]

https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/1239014_525584747518519_1184218477_n.jpg

[SA210]

.
Oh look, a Democrat acting like an actual Democrat!!

Rep. Alan Grayson on Syria: Congress Should Reject "WarMongering" and Focus on Problems at Home




"I am very disturbed by this general idea that every time we see something bad in the world, we should bomb it," Grayson says. "The president has criticized that mindset, and now he has adopted it. It’s simply not our responsibility to act alone and punish this."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aveG79m6Lg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhqGFchrnh0

[TSA]

this is all bullshit, all of it. if i didn't have a family and a career, i would leave this country in a heart beat. i'm so tired of these dumbass wars and this fake ass democracy we have.

I'm with you on that one.

[boutons_deux]

So where would emigrants emigrate to?

[boobie4three]

So where would emigrants emigrate to?


See Eddie

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/eddie1_zps9fa32f8b.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/eddie1_zps9fa32f8b.jpg.html)

[cheguevara]

So where would emigrants emigrate to?

good question. Unfortunately the Umbrella of the US empire reaches over most of the world. Especially the economically advanced world.

Ideally it would be great to migrate to a distant island in the pacific, maybe certain parts of Asia, Africa of South America. El Che has heard certain countries in Scandinavia and the far North of Europe are pretty independent thinking also.That's pretty much it. Stay away from the 5 eyes for sure: US, Canada, Australia, UK and New Zealand.

[TSA]

So where would emigrants emigrate to?

I'd be packing and heading back to my homeland of Norway. Still have quite a bit of family there.

[Trill Clinton]

So where would emigrants emigrate to?

ghana

[The Reckoning]

this is all bullshit, all of it. if i didn't have a family and a career, i would leave this country in a heart beat. i'm so tired of these dumbass wars and this fake ass democracy we have.


you got fam in australia. you're more than welcome to come kick it with the reckoning. i know some peeps from tanzania if you're heading that way to ghana. apparently tanzania is the place to be imo.

suriname in south america is a badass place too. it's one huge multicultural party.

[pgardn]

good question. Unfortunately the Umbrella of the US empire reaches over most of the world. Especially the economically advanced world.

Ideally it would be great to migrate to a distant island in the pacific, maybe certain parts of Asia, Africa of South America. El Che has heard certain countries in Scandinavia and the far North of Europe are pretty independent thinking also.That's pretty much it. Stay away from the 5 eyes for sure: US, Canada, Australia, UK and New Zealand.

for you...

Somalia
North Korea
Mali
Haiti
Cambodia

[Jacob1983]

I think this could be the starting point of Obama's fallout with his koolaid drinking liberal supporters. When you have Letterman calling you out on your bullshit, you know shit is about to get real with your sheep.

[SA210]

I think this could be the starting point of Obama's fallout with his koolaid drinking liberal supporters. When you have Letterman calling you out on your bullshit, you know shit is about to get real with your sheep.

Damn I missed it, hope thats online soon

[TDMVPDPOY]

good question. Unfortunately the Umbrella of the US empire reaches over most of the world. Especially the economically advanced world.

Ideally it would be great to migrate to a distant island in the pacific, maybe certain parts of Asia, Africa of South America. El Che has heard certain countries in Scandinavia and the far North of Europe are pretty independent thinking also.That's pretty much it. Stay away from the 5 eyes for sure: US, Canada, Australia, UK and New Zealand.

the countries you mention are slowly getting rid of amending certain rights within its constitution ready for one one world order...

and them 5 have one in common, former/still colonies of england...

[The Reckoning]

tbh australia is about to seize rights to internet usage to "filter content" rofl what a joke country

[TDMVPDPOY]

tbh australia is about to seize rights to internet usage to "filter content" rofl what a joke country

the dickhead who looks like his going to win wants a filter, it be user end...so it be ur discretion whether you want it or not, lol leaving it to the user whether to block is like whether they should install AV and shit....

dont forget the same wanker wants to stop the rollout of FIBRE +100mb connection to remain on the shitty adsl2+ copper network....i swear the dude is a fkn clown and backward thinking commie

[SA210]

.
Ron Paul's potatoes are more popular than Obama's war in Syria. :lmao:rollin


https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/s720x720/1234830_416686208440191_997013248_n.jpg

[boutons_deux]

If Repugs would have had as many reservations, questions about dubya and dickhead's invasion of Iraq-for-oil as they do now about bombing Syria, then 6000+ military lives, 100Ks Iraqi lives, and $5T+ would have been saved.

Repugs reticence on attacking Syria is 100% proof they know that they, Repugs/dubya/dickhead/neocons/MIC/rummy/feith/perl, ALL fucked up by lying their way into Iraq.

RP pere et fils? :lol

[SA210]

:lmao


2012 FLASHBACK: Joe Biden warned voters that Mitt Romney would take America to war with Syria...

http://www.libertynews.com/2013/09/2012-flashback-joe-biden-claimed-mitt-romney-would-take-america-to-war-with-syria/

When it comes to Joe Biden, Barack Obama and the rest of their leftist ilk, you can now pretty much assume the opposite of whatever they say is true. Which, as we now learn, was exactly the case when Joe Biden warned voters that Mitt Romney would take America to war with Syria (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/02/biden-all-gm-plants-would-have-shut-without-help/).



Sept. 2, 2012, YORK, Pa. (AP) — Vice President Joe Biden said Sunday that Republican rival Mitt Romney is “ready to go to war in Syria and Iran” while hurting the middle class.

The warning came during a campaign stop in York, Pa., designed to promote President Barack Obama’s economic policies among white, working-class voters. The thrust of Biden’s pitch has been that America is digging out from the 2008 economic collapse and that Romney would take the country backward. But Biden, a foreign policy heavyweight, also cautioned voters that Romney would adopt policies that favor confrontation over cooperation.



Extremely ironic considering that Obama’s policy is nothing but confrontational. And now Obama is indeed forcing us into a war with Syria.

[Th'Pusher]

.
Ron Paul's potatoes are more popular than Obama's war in Syria. :lmao:rollin


https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/s720x720/1234830_416686208440191_997013248_n.jpg

Do you think RP teaches his grandsons how to dupe gullible morons out of their money while working in the garden? :lol Ronpaulchannel.dong :lol

[SA210]

Do you think RP teaches his grandsons how to dupe gullible morons out of their money while working in the garden? :lol Ronpaulchannel.dong :lol

I'm curious, did you support the troops and their wishes at the voting booth??

Let's find out..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpVZVxqxZT4

[Th'Pusher]

I'm curious, did you support the troops and their wishes at the voting booth??

Let's find out..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpVZVxqxZT4

I couldn't have voted for Paul had I wanted to as he had already quit by the general election and his pro-GOP Establishment son had proudly endorsed Mitt Romney. I'll pass on the Paul family.

How is his new channel? Does he send out tin foil to all his subscribers? :lol subscribers :lol just like Glenn Beck :lol you have a contract with RP allowing him to recurringly take your money.

[SA210]

I couldn't have voted for Paul had I wanted to as he had already quit by the general election and his pro-GOP Establishment son had proudly endorsed Mitt Romney. I'll pass on the Paul family.

How is his new channel? Does he send out tin foil to all his subscribers? :lol subscribers :lol just like Glenn Beck :lol you have a contract with RP allowing him to recurringly take your money.


:lmao That was rhetorical, I already knew you were a sheep lol

[boutons_deux]

The Bush Burden

You may think George W. Bush is at home in his bathtub, painting pictures of his toenails, but in fact he’s the biggest presence in the debate over what to do in Syria.

His legacy is paralysis, hypocrisy and uncertainty practiced in varying degrees by those who want to learn from history and those who deny it. Let’s grant some validity to the waffling, though none of it is coming from the architects of the worst global fiasco in a generation.

Time should not soften what President George W. Bush, and his apologists, did in an eight-year war costing the United States more than a trillion dollars, 4,400 American soldiers dead and the displacement of two million Iraqis. The years should not gauze over how the world was conned into an awful conflict. History should hold him accountable for the current muddy debate over what to do in the face of a state-sanctioned mass killer.

Blame Bush? Of course, President Obama has to lead; it’s his superpower now, his armies to move, his stage. But the prior president gave every world leader, every member of Congress a reason to keep the dogs of war on a leash. The isolationists in the Republican Party are a direct result of the Bush foreign policy. A war-weary public that can turn an eye from children being gassed — or express doubt that it happened — is another poisoned fruit of the Bush years. And for the nearly 200 members of both houses of Congress who voted on the Iraq war in 2002 and are still in office and facing a vote this month, Bush shadows them like Scrooge’s ghost.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/opinionator/2013/09/05/the-bush-burden/?from=mostemailed

not to put it all on dubya, who was nothing but useful idiot, really an ignorant wimp, he was serving dickhead and the other BigOil/MIC/Jewish neocons.

[Proxy]

So is it okay to kill 100,000 people and gas civilians to death? That's what the world is saying if nothing is done about this. Fuck China and Russia.

Ps - and fuck Ron Paul. The guy is a moron.

[SA210]

https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/1235071_615399671836326_1538827625_n.png

[Blake]

.
Ron Paul's potatoes are more popular than Obama's war in Syria. :lmao:rollin


https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/s720x720/1234830_416686208440191_997013248_n.jpg

Because those two things are exactly the same

you're incredibly unintelligent

[SA210]

I'm incredibly unintelligent, voted worst poster on spurstalk, and I'm extremely butthurt that my messiah has been exposed

[Blake]

you literally have a low level of intelligence.

It's painfully low.

[SA210]

I literally have a low level of intelligence.

It's painfully low. My butthurt however is very high

[SA210]

A true Patriot


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2H8XDIJ2yE&feature=youtu.be

[SA210]

Another one lays into McCain


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzH7BxFEzDs

[TSA]

So is it okay to kill 100,000 people and gas civilians to death? That's what the world is saying if nothing is done about this. Fuck China and Russia.

Ps - and fuck Ron Paul. The guy is a moron.

Only a moron would think the US launching an attack would stop the killing.

[cheguevara]

the dickhead who looks like his going to win wants a filter, it be user end...so it be ur discretion whether you want it or not, lol leaving it to the user whether to block is like whether they should install AV and shit....

dont forget the same wanker wants to stop the rollout of FIBRE +100mb connection to remain on the shitty adsl2+ copper network....i swear the dude is a fkn clown and backward thinking commie

actually sadly, Australia and New Zealand are like the labrats of the US and UK. They are trying the most radical laws like censoring internet and legalizing survellaince on their citizens, and unfortunately they are passing.

Aussies and Kiwis are great ppl, but unfortunately they are asleep and still in awe of daddy US and granddaddy UK

[cheguevara]

So is it okay to kill 100,000 people and gas civilians to death? That's what the world is saying if nothing is done about this. Fuck China and Russia.

Ps - and fuck Ron Paul. The guy is a moron.

Because Assad is the only one who's killing in Syria :rolleyes

Rebels used gas attacks and executed unarmed Syrians, there is video evidence of all this.

has the MSM made a number on some ppl :(

[Proxy]

Only a moron would think the US launching an attack would stop the killing.

100,000 people and gassing civilians with WMDs... that's cool? Solution: Do nothing.

[Proxy]

Because Assad is the only one who's killing in Syria :rolleyes

Rebels used gas attacks and executed unarmed Syrians, there is video evidence of all this.

has the MSM made a number on some ppl :(

I don't remember mentioning who the killers were

[SA210]

Kucinich: Obama Risking World War III, Not To Mention Impeachment

Kucinich is maintaining his position that if the emperor goes against Congress and strikes Syria it will be grounds for impeachment. He asks a great series of questions as to why would we take the risk, putting America on the line with no upside? Only upside is for the elite establishment. If the power elite cared they would be saying the same thing that this president is violating the law taking us to war...http://savingtherepublic.com/blog/2013/09/kucinich-obama-risking-world-war-iii-mention-impeachment/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfrG3Lij3xg#t=89

[SA210]

https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1209334_416839285091550_616255555_n.jpg

[AFBlue]

100,000 people and gassing civilians with WMDs... that's cool? Solution: Do nothing.

Your solution?

Your thoughts on the solution being presented (in all its vaguery) by the administration?

Criticize the status quo all you want, but you could at least weigh in with something of substance.

[rascal]

.
Ron Paul's potatoes are more popular than Obama's war in Syria. :lmao:rollin


https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q71/s720x720/1234830_416686208440191_997013248_n.jpg

Check the dates first before posting nonsense.

[Wild Cobra]

Anyone here know any syrian people?

Yes, I do. They left Syria a long time ago.

[SA210]

:cry

[Blake]

oh look! you changed another quote!

Do it again!

and post some more unintelligent jpegs while you're at it.

[TSA]

oh look! you changed another quote!

Do it again!

and post some more unintelligent jpegs while you're at it.

As stupid as changing quotes may be, at least 2120 contributes and discusses the thread at hand, unlike yourself who contributes near nothing. You can't even take a stand and decide for or against attacking Syria. It's not like this situation happened over night, grow a pair and state your opinion for once.

[Proxy]

Your solution?

Your thoughts on the solution being presented (in all its vaguery) by the administration?

Criticize the status quo all you want, but you could at least weigh in with something of substance.

Nope. Got nothing. It'd be less difficult to give a layman's solution if the facts were ever put on display, but I doubt they will. They never are. I know the death toll and the classification of weapons used. Seeing how Russia and China reacted makes me assume the US has something important to gain. Iran maybe? Sure, that's my guess. I think the status quo sucks... maybe it's the best option, but it's still a bad one imo. Is allowing it a solution? Do you have a solution?

tbh, Its depressing to me that people are still dying at this rate. Global tension is scary right now, so whatever. Lets not start WWIII by attacking Syria. What a world.

[Th'Pusher]

https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1209334_416839285091550_616255555_n.jpg

I wonder if this soldier has signed up for Dr. Paul's subscription based recurring revenue business model?

[Th'Pusher]

https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1209334_416839285091550_616255555_n.jpg

Oh and btw, the information in your meme is wildly inaccurate. Not as off you had any credibility left to lose, but I thought I'd point it out...

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2012/10/armed-forces-show-overwhelming-supp.html

[boobie4three]

The fact of the matter is, Congress and the American people don't want to give 0bama the authority to wage war because they think he's incompetent. It'd be like giving a toddler a loaded gun. And the people that DO want to give him the authority think like this idiot Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/nort_zps4cfba028.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/nort_zps4cfba028.jpg.html)


As D.C.’s delegate to Congress, Holmes is unable to actually cast a vote in the debate, but she told Press: “If [Obama] gets saved at all, I think it’ll be because of loyalty of Democrats. They just don’t want to see him shamed and humiliated on the national stage.”

She elaborated: “At the moment, that’s the only reason I would vote for it if I could vote on it.”

Yeah, that's a great reason. Spend American lives and treasure so 0bama isn't shamed and humiliated on the national stage.:dizzy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6HHWubQ1g8

[boobie4three]

This article is by The Nation. Not exactly a right wing magazine.

The Lies at the Heart of the Obama/Kerry Push for War—and Why They've Backfired
Greg Mitchell on September 6, 2013 - 1:27 PM ET

President Obama held a press conference in St. Petersburg this morning which turned into another dismal, at times half-hearted, performance in spinning the need for an attack on Syria. Richard Wolffe of MSNBC quickly labeled it “embarrassing.” The problem for the president remains: he and his secretary of state, John Kerry, have relied on half-truths and, let’s say it, lies, in promoting the war—and as one reporter pointed out at the presser, they actually lose the backing of the public and the Congress the more they say.

That’s because, with the belated help of some in the media, it is all too easy to see through the spin.

Let us count just some of the (un)truths and lies. We won’t even get into Kerry’s repeated claim that he opposed the invasion of Iraq in 2003 when the truth is completely the opposite (he came to oppose it later).

1) Yesterday I unpacked the claims of precisely 1,429 killed in the chemical attack, noting that all other sources put it much lower—in some cases at only one-fourth that number. I won’t repeat what I wrote but note that the White House still has given no source for this. At the presser today, Obama mentioned 1,400 “gassed”—not “killed.” I presume just a slip but wish a reporter had followed up.

2) Kerry and backers in Congress—notably Senator John McCain—have claimed for the past week that the rebels in Syria are actually, in the main, “moderate” (not jihadists) and their ranks are growing daily. Yesterday The New York Times carried a front-piece disputing this along with a photo of an execution in progress carried out by those “moderate” rebels. They also had a video of it picked up widely by cable news.

Bad enough but then today we learn that a prime source for the “moderate” claim cited by Kerry and McCain—a recent Wall Street Journal piece—was written by a woman who has been paid by…the Syrian rebels. Reuters has also produced a key piece disputing the “moderate” claim.

3) Obama and Kerry have both declared over and over that his would be a very limited strike. Multiple reports at top news outlets now reveal that the target list is actually expanding and jets as well as missiles will be used. Obama call this “inaccurate” at the presser today but he has been under pressure from hawks to step up the destruction to aid the rebels in the fight.

Also at the presser, Obama denied reports that skeptical Congress members are coming out of intel briefings more, not less, skeptical about an attack. Reporters immediately disputed this.

4) Finally (for now) there’s this: Obama, Kerry and their supporters in Congress and on TV have argued that Assad has “killed 100,000” (maybe more) of his own people. This is rarely corrected by the media or in interviews. The truth is bad enough, surely, but it’s not 100,000. But that figure, so many others others, is being used as spin to induce people to back the war against Syria.


The facts, from more than one group but this leading one here, is that at least 40,000 of that total is Assad forces or militias supporting him. Militia fighting him—and non-combatants (killed by both sides)—make up the rest. In fact, not a single report or count, even by the Assad opponents and groups friendly to him, endorse the Assad-killed-100,000 figure.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of the first airstrike. Assad is bad enough, but the propaganda—from Kerry to certain MSNBC folks—just shows the weakness in their case.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/176057/lies-heart-obamakerry-push-war-and-why-theyve-backfired#

[pgardn]

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Oh you didn't?

What did you sign up for soldier? Defend the constitution and show your face, then you might be taken seriously. You work for the commander in chief, you were not aware of this? And if you really are serious about the specific steps this country takes, and disagree, get out. Refuse to do what you think is morally or politically wrong and show your damn face.

Get out of uniform, show your face. The kids swept into Vietnam, and then spat upon when they came back, would rather you defect to Canada.

[Blake]

As stupid as changing quotes may be, at least 2120 contributes and discusses the thread at hand, unlike yourself who contributes near nothing. You can't even take a stand and decide for or against attacking Syria. It's not like this situation happened over night, grow a pair and state your opinion for once.

210 isn't a contributor. He's a spammer.

But how bout you tell me why I should side with your opinion, brave contributor

[TSA]

210 isn't a contributor. He's a spammer.

But how bout you tell me why I should side with your opinion, brave contributor
Shocking, another fruitless reply. I'm not telling you to side with my opinion. I'm simply asking what yours is which apparently is too hard for you to do.

[scroteface]

Shocking, another fruitless reply. I'm not telling you to side with my opinion. I'm simply asking what yours is which apparently is too hard for you to do.

that's a chumpdumper crew tactic, never have an original opinion of your own which can be picked apart, just sit around attacking other people for theirs

[Blake]

Shocking, another fruitless reply. I'm not telling you to side with my opinion. I'm simply asking what yours is which apparently is too hard for you to do.

i already told you I haven't formed one yet. I really haven't read up on the details of the situation.

apparently it's too hard for you to make fruitful arguments to validate your fruitful opinion.

[Blake]

that's a chumpdumper crew tactic, never have an original opinion of your own which can be picked apart, just sit around attacking other people for theirs

what a fruitful, on topic post :tu

don't you have a zionist to attack?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh you didn't?

What did you sign up for soldier? Defend the constitution and show your face, then you might be taken seriously. You work for the commander in chief, you were not aware of this? And if you really are serious about the specific steps this country takes, and disagree, get out. Refuse to do what you think is morally or politically wrong and show your damn face.

Get out of uniform, show your face. The kids swept into Vietnam, and then spat upon when they came back, would rather you defect to Canada.

I would bet a dollar to a donut that its a costume. That dude has a chestful of medals.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

As stupid as changing quotes may be, at least 2120 contributes and discusses the thread at hand, unlike yourself who contributes near nothing. You can't even take a stand and decide for or against attacking Syria. It's not like this situation happened over night, grow a pair and state your opinion for once.

:lol yup youre still stupid.

What does 210 really contribute?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This article is by The Nation. Not exactly a right wing magazine.

The Lies at the Heart of the Obama/Kerry Push for War—and Why They've Backfired
Greg Mitchell on September 6, 2013 - 1:27 PM ET

President Obama held a press conference in St. Petersburg this morning which turned into another dismal, at times half-hearted, performance in spinning the need for an attack on Syria. Richard Wolffe of MSNBC quickly labeled it “embarrassing.” The problem for the president remains: he and his secretary of state, John Kerry, have relied on half-truths and, let’s say it, lies, in promoting the war—and as one reporter pointed out at the presser, they actually lose the backing of the public and the Congress the more they say.

That’s because, with the belated help of some in the media, it is all too easy to see through the spin.

Let us count just some of the (un)truths and lies. We won’t even get into Kerry’s repeated claim that he opposed the invasion of Iraq in 2003 when the truth is completely the opposite (he came to oppose it later).

1) Yesterday I unpacked the claims of precisely 1,429 killed in the chemical attack, noting that all other sources put it much lower—in some cases at only one-fourth that number. I won’t repeat what I wrote but note that the White House still has given no source for this. At the presser today, Obama mentioned 1,400 “gassed”—not “killed.” I presume just a slip but wish a reporter had followed up.

2) Kerry and backers in Congress—notably Senator John McCain—have claimed for the past week that the rebels in Syria are actually, in the main, “moderate” (not jihadists) and their ranks are growing daily. Yesterday The New York Times carried a front-piece disputing this along with a photo of an execution in progress carried out by those “moderate” rebels. They also had a video of it picked up widely by cable news.

Bad enough but then today we learn that a prime source for the “moderate” claim cited by Kerry and McCain—a recent Wall Street Journal piece—was written by a woman who has been paid by…the Syrian rebels. Reuters has also produced a key piece disputing the “moderate” claim.

3) Obama and Kerry have both declared over and over that his would be a very limited strike. Multiple reports at top news outlets now reveal that the target list is actually expanding and jets as well as missiles will be used. Obama call this “inaccurate” at the presser today but he has been under pressure from hawks to step up the destruction to aid the rebels in the fight.

Also at the presser, Obama denied reports that skeptical Congress members are coming out of intel briefings more, not less, skeptical about an attack. Reporters immediately disputed this.

4) Finally (for now) there’s this: Obama, Kerry and their supporters in Congress and on TV have argued that Assad has “killed 100,000” (maybe more) of his own people. This is rarely corrected by the media or in interviews. The truth is bad enough, surely, but it’s not 100,000. But that figure, so many others others, is being used as spin to induce people to back the war against Syria.


The facts, from more than one group but this leading one here, is that at least 40,000 of that total is Assad forces or militias supporting him. Militia fighting him—and non-combatants (killed by both sides)—make up the rest. In fact, not a single report or count, even by the Assad opponents and groups friendly to him, endorse the Assad-killed-100,000 figure.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of the first airstrike. Assad is bad enough, but the propaganda—from Kerry to certain MSNBC folks—just shows the weakness in their case.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/176057/lies-heart-obamakerry-push-war-and-why-theyve-backfired#

and boobie with the somewhat goods. I disagree with it but it least its a contribution.

for the

1) its a quibble about whether its 1200, 1400, or 2k that were gassed/killed. The issue raised is that gas was used as a WMD. The attack meets that criteria under any of the options given.

2) Demonstrating that there are extremist acts occurring in the war zone does not disprove McCain et al's assertion. This is one part where the public is just poorly informed. Its probably because its a warzone but nonetheless statements like the article's don't bring us closer to the truth. I look at it as such: it's a proxy war. We know that the Iran via Hezbollah and Russians via Assad have their proxies. We know that the Saudis and the other Sunni nations have them as does the military defectors which we fund and turkey to the north. The size of each faction is the question but pieces such as this one --or most for that matter-- don't help much.

3) If you don't want to believe them then fine but pressure for more force is what Hawks do. The he said she said of who is skeptical without even a he or a she is just shitty journalsim.

4) Who gives a shit?

[TSA]

i already told you I haven't formed one yet. I really haven't read up on the details of the situation.

apparently it's too hard for you to make fruitful arguments to validate your fruitful opinion.

Why are you in this thread then if not to just follow around 2120?

[TSA]

:lol yup youre still stupid.

What does 210 really contribute?

His memes and pictures are at least amusing, can't say the same for Blake.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

His memes and pictures are at least amusing, can't say the same for Blake.

So his contribution is that his memes are amusing to you. Serves to further my original take.

[TSA]

It's a sad day when I don't know whose reports to believe, USA's or Russia's.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's a sad day when I don't know whose reports to believe, USA's or Russia's.

If you were intelligent in your approach you would realize that in politics every day is a good day to be skeptical of any source of information. You do that through analysis which you have demonstrated no capacity for.

[TSA]

If you were intelligent in your approach you would realize that in politics every day is a good day to be skeptical of any source of information. You do that through analysis which you have demonstrated no capacity for.

I'm doing exactly that. Are you high?

[scroteface]

this fuck wants to talk about facts when they all point to a false flag by the rebels with US/israeli assitance. why would Assad use chemicals whenever he was already winning the war, knowing it would pull us in? why were all the media outlets and our politicians chomping at the bit ready to go to war and blame assad as soon as the attack happened, before we even had a clue what was used and who was responsible? is the UN still not conducting an investigation? we claim to to the russians that we have proof, but we can't tell them because it's classified...get real. we've been wanting to go to war with iran for years now, this is about iran more than it is syria. they want to isolate them at the very least, if not pull them into a war. we want to dominate that oil rich region of the world and russia, iran, and syria are in our way. we're in cahoots with the sunni's, they're funding this shit too. wake up.

[scroteface]

and to add to what i just said..if this were the 1920's or 30's id just say if they want to fight for oil, then let these old shriveled pecker fucks go and fight it themselves just don't ask me to risk my life for it. but there was this invention called the nuclear bomb that changed everything..these bastards have no right to threaten mine and every other human and animal life on this earth all over their greed.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm doing exactly that. Are you high?

No you are picking and choosing. I am talking method and not specific. And demonstrate some analysis. It would be the first time.

[Blake]

Why are you in this thread then if not to just follow around 2120?

I opened this multi page thread to see what's being said. All I'm seeing is worthless, unfunny spam from 210 and chegevera; posts about me from you.

[boobie4three]

Ed Asner Explains Hollywood Silence on Obama, Syria: They 'Don't Want to Feel Anti-Black'

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Ed Asner, left, and Mike Farrell

Don't look for Iraq War-style protests, says the liberal activist, who -- like "M*A*S*H" star Mike Farrell -- opposes military action.


In 2003, ahead of a U.S. attack on Iraq, a robust anti-war movement in Hollywood included a TV commercial starring Martin Sheen and Sean Penn visiting Baghdad. There were online petitions signed by Ed Asner; letters to President George W. Bush pleading for peace were signed by Matt Damon, Tim Robbins, Barbra Streisand and Alec Baldwin; former M*A*S*H star Mike Farrell fronted multiple press conferences where celebrities denounced war. In interviews, Janeane Garofalo stopped identifying herself as an actor -- she preferred to be called a member of the U.S. anti-war movement.
The good news for President Barack Obama as he considers a military response against Syria for using chemical weapons against rebels is that he probably won't have to deal with a similar anti-war movement from Hollywood. But that's not because there isn't opposition. It's just not organized, and, as Asner and Farrell – two of the industry's most vocal progressive activists -- told The Hollywood Reporter Friday, perhaps it never will be.
While some conservatives see hypocrisy, Farrell says that an all-out war in Iraq under Bush, a Republican who was very unpopular in Hollywood, was a much bigger deal than potential missile strikes against Syria under the direction of Obama, a Democrat who drew millions for his campaigns from showbiz industry donors.

Asner, 83, and Farrell, 74, both expressed extreme disappointment in Obama for advocating military action.
"What he is talking about in Syria is a potential war crime," Farrell said. "It will be illegal, and if citizens are killed it certainly could be considered a war crime."
Even if Obama presents irrefutable evidence that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad used poison gas against civilians, military action is still unwarranted, the two activists say.

"This administration ought to insist that the international community charge [Assad] with a war crime and prosecute him, and in so doing Obama would be following the law instead of flaunting the law," Farrell said.
"It's incredibly improper for the president to call for a strike. I have said it everywhere I can and I suspect a lot of others will do the same, but whether there will be an organized effort, I don't know," Farrell continued. "We're talking about the difference between an invasion in Iraq and a limited action in response to the use of chemical weapons in Syria."
Asner said the lack of an organized effort against war in Syria is a matter of timing. Bush took months to make the case for war in Iraq, giving the antiwar left plenty of time to prepare a response.
"It will be a done deal before Hollywood is mobilized," Asner said. "This country will either bomb the hell out of Syria or not before Hollywood gets off its ass."

Also, said Asner, unsuccessful efforts to prevent war in Iraq led to complacency among left-wing activists.
"We had a million people in the streets, for Christ's sake, protesting Iraq, which was about as illegal as you could find. Did it matter? Is George Bush being tried in the high courts of justice?" asks Asner. "We've been so God-damned stung in this country by false wars, repeatedly, that, how can you believe in any just war with the history we have had?"
Another reason some Hollywood progressives have been reticent to speak out against war in Syria, according to Asner, is fear of being called racist.
"A lot of people don't want to feel anti-black by being opposed to Obama," he said.
Asner said Hollywood activists should read a Huffington Post blog item by Dennis Kucinich, where the former congressman lists the "Top 10 unproven claims for war against Syria."

"Whether it's a Republican or Democrat president, or Republican or Democrat Congress -- and it doesn't make a God-damned difference -- it behooves us to get off our ass and ask these questions," Asner said.
Farrell and Asner both say that beating the war drums on Syria is one of many mistakes Obama has made.
"I voted for him, but I'm not proud. He hasn't thrown himself on the funeral pyre. I wanted him to sacrifice himself. Instead, he has proved himself to be a corporatist, and as long as he's a corporatist, he's not my president," Asner said. "A lot of people have lost hope -- with the betrayals, the NSA spying ... People aren't getting active because 'Who gives a shit?' is essentially the bottom line."
Adds Farrell: "I'm frankly deeply disappointed in the president's foreign policy, war-making, his reliance on military rather then diplomatic responses, his use of drones, continued allowance of the Guantanamo prison. He's a disappointment to me and other people I know."

As much as Obama is loved by Hollywood power-brokers, Asner says he doesn't fear backlash by speaking against the president.
"Hollywood can't mobilize for that either," he joked. "If they try to punish me, what are they gonna do? Take away my pension?"

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/syria-why-hollywoods-anti-war-623326?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=hollywoodreporter_breakingnews_confirmed&utm_campaign=THR%20Breaking%20News

[SA210]

that's a chumpdumper crew tactic, never have an original opinion of your own which can be picked apart, just sit around attacking other people for theirs

:lmao nailed it. lol what cowards

[Jacob1983]

Ed Asner bashing the shit out of Obama FTW!:toast

[boutons_deux]

Obama Warned on Syrian Intel

We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.”

We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.”

There is a growing body of evidence from numerous sources in the Middle East — mostly affiliated with the Syrian opposition and its supporters — providing a strong circumstantial case that the August 21 chemical incident was a pre-planned provocation by the Syrian opposition and its Saudi and Turkish supporters. The aim is reported to have been to create the kind of incident that would bring the United States into the war.
According to some reports, canisters containing chemical agent were brought into a suburb of Damascus, where they were then opened. Some people in the immediate vicinity died; others were injured.

We are unaware of any reliable evidence that a Syrian military rocket capable of carrying a chemical agent was fired into the area. In fact, we are aware of no reliable physical evidence to support the claim that this was a result of a strike by a Syrian military unit with expertise in chemical weapons.

In addition, we have learned that on August 13-14, 2013, Western-sponsored opposition forces in Turkey started advance preparations for a major, irregular military surge. Initial meetings between senior opposition military commanders and Qatari, Turkish and U.S. intelligence officials took place at the converted Turkish military garrison in Antakya, Hatay Province, now used as the command center and headquarters of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and their foreign sponsors.

Senior opposition commanders who came from Istanbul pre-briefed the regional commanders on an imminent escalation in the fighting due to “a war-changing development,” which, in turn, would lead to a U.S.-led bombing of Syria.
At operations coordinating meetings at Antakya, attended by senior Turkish, Qatari and U.S. intelligence officials as well as senior commanders of the Syrian opposition, the Syrians were told that the bombing would start in a few days. Opposition leaders were ordered to prepare their forces quickly to exploit the U.S. bombing, march into Damascus, and remove the Bashar al-Assad government

The Qatari and Turkish intelligence officials assured the Syrian regional commanders that they would be provided with plenty of weapons for the coming offensive. And they were. A weapons distribution operation unprecedented in scope began in all opposition camps on August 21-23. The weapons were distributed from storehouses controlled by Qatari and Turkish intelligence under the tight supervision of U.S. intelligence officers.

Retaliation is inevitable. For example, terrorist strikes on U.S. embassies and other installations are likely to make what happened to the U.S. “Mission” in Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012, look like a minor dust-up by comparison. One of us addressed this key consideration directly a week ago in an article (http://consortiumnews.com/2013/08/31/ignoring-bloody-mideast-lessons/) titled “Possible Consequences of a U.S. Military Attack on Syria – Remembering the U.S. Marine Barracks Destruction in Beirut, 1983.”

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/09/06/obama-warned-on-syrian-intel/

When everybody's lying, who do you believe?

Tonkin Gulf? LIE

Iraq WMD? LIE

Assad gassing? LIE?

[pgardn]

I would bet a dollar to a donut that its a costume. That dude has a chestful of medals.

Yeah.

I did not notice that.

The basic premise concerning choosing to be in the military still holds though.

[pgardn]

Obama Warned on Syrian Intel

We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.”

We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.”

There is a growing body of evidence from numerous sources in the Middle East — mostly affiliated with the Syrian opposition and its supporters — providing a strong circumstantial case that the August 21 chemical incident was a pre-planned provocation by the Syrian opposition and its Saudi and Turkish supporters. The aim is reported to have been to create the kind of incident that would bring the United States into the war.
According to some reports, canisters containing chemical agent were brought into a suburb of Damascus, where they were then opened. Some people in the immediate vicinity died; others were injured.

We are unaware of any reliable evidence that a Syrian military rocket capable of carrying a chemical agent was fired into the area. In fact, we are aware of no reliable physical evidence to support the claim that this was a result of a strike by a Syrian military unit with expertise in chemical weapons.

In addition, we have learned that on August 13-14, 2013, Western-sponsored opposition forces in Turkey started advance preparations for a major, irregular military surge. Initial meetings between senior opposition military commanders and Qatari, Turkish and U.S. intelligence officials took place at the converted Turkish military garrison in Antakya, Hatay Province, now used as the command center and headquarters of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and their foreign sponsors.

Senior opposition commanders who came from Istanbul pre-briefed the regional commanders on an imminent escalation in the fighting due to “a war-changing development,” which, in turn, would lead to a U.S.-led bombing of Syria.
At operations coordinating meetings at Antakya, attended by senior Turkish, Qatari and U.S. intelligence officials as well as senior commanders of the Syrian opposition, the Syrians were told that the bombing would start in a few days. Opposition leaders were ordered to prepare their forces quickly to exploit the U.S. bombing, march into Damascus, and remove the Bashar al-Assad government

The Qatari and Turkish intelligence officials assured the Syrian regional commanders that they would be provided with plenty of weapons for the coming offensive. And they were. A weapons distribution operation unprecedented in scope began in all opposition camps on August 21-23. The weapons were distributed from storehouses controlled by Qatari and Turkish intelligence under the tight supervision of U.S. intelligence officers.

Retaliation is inevitable. For example, terrorist strikes on U.S. embassies and other installations are likely to make what happened to the U.S. “Mission” in Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012, look like a minor dust-up by comparison. One of us addressed this key consideration directly a week ago in an article (http://consortiumnews.com/2013/08/31/ignoring-bloody-mideast-lessons/) titled “Possible Consequences of a U.S. Military Attack on Syria – Remembering the U.S. Marine Barracks Destruction in Beirut, 1983.”

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/09/06/obama-warned-on-syrian-intel/

When everybody's lying, who do you believe?

Tonkin Gulf? LIE

Iraq WMD? LIE

Assad gassing? LIE?




So who gassed these people in a massive manner?
Or are we gonna take the scrotelackingtesticles view that no one was gassed?
Stop with the BS. The Syrian military gassed these people.
Now you can start from there with whatever...

[boutons_deux]

The Syrian military gassed these people.

what would the Syrian military be hoping to achieve? while risking foreign intervention, esp after the red line comment?

what would the insurgents hope to achieve by bringing in red line foreign intervention?

[pgardn]

what would the Syrian military be hoping to achieve? while risking foreign intervention, esp after the red line comment?

what would the insurgents hope to achieve by bringing in red line foreign intervention?

What does the evidence say? The Syrian government is in disarray. You think one arm knows what the other is doing? You think a military commander in the field is thinking about geopolitical consequences?

So you use Iraq as an example that the US govt lied again.
The logical person uses the above as evidence that the US can get things very wrong and or lie.

So what does the evidence say?

The Syrian govt.
Did the US govt get the Bin Laden attack wrong? Did Bush really orchestrate it?
I say you are batshit crazy if you believe Bush orchestrated this.

Most people who want the facts go to reputable news outlets and read everything because they want the truth. Others use their ideological bias to hunt down something, anything, that backs their worldview. This would be you and Che and a number of others.

[scroteface]

even though the evidence shows that it was the rebels, i'll play devil's advocate and pretend what if the government was responsible.

Did we not support Saddam in his war with Iran when declassified documents now show that we knew about it the whole time? Why the double standard? The ends always justify the means with these people. Money, greed, power. We're being hypocrites here but sociopaths don't care about trivial things such as the facts as long as they accomplish their goal.

[boutons_deux]

"So what does the evidence say?"

You, bloodthirsty asshole, have NO EVIDENCE, only wishful thinking and circumstances.

Let's see what the weapons inspectors say.

[boutons_deux]

thanks to wikileaks:

With the World Watching, Syria Amassed Nerve Gas

Syria’s top leaders amassed one of the world’s largest stockpiles of chemical weapons with help from the Soviet Union and Iran, as well as Western European suppliers and even a handful of American companies, according to American diplomatic cables and declassified intelligence records.

While an expanding group of nations banded together in the 1980s to try to block the Syrian effort, prohibiting the sale of goods that would bolster the growing chemical weapons stockpile, the archives show that Syria’s governing Assad family exploited large loopholes, lax enforcement and a far greater international emphasis on limiting the spread of nuclear arms.

Soon after Mr. Obama came to office, newly installed officials grew increasingly alarmed by the ease with which Mr. Assad was using a network of front companies to import the precursors needed to make VX and sarin, deadly chemical poisons that are internationally banned, according to leaked diplomatic cables from WikiLeaks, the antisecrecy group.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/09/08/world/middleeast/with-the-world-watching-syria-amassed-nerve-gas.html?from=homepage

... still no proof that Assad actually did the 21 Aug gassing. The above is PROOF that sarin, VX components appear to widely obtainable, even from US companies.

[SA210]

:lol Boutons calls me an asshole for not wanting war and pointing out that Obama is no MLK, and calls war mongers assholes too lol

[boutons_deux]

:lol Boutons calls me an asshole for not wanting war and pointing out that Obama is no MLK, and calls war mongers assholes too lol

the quote in my reply was from pgardn, not you, asshole

[SA210]

the quote in my reply was from pgardn, not you, asshole


:lol Boutons, you've never spoken to me like this. Where did it all go wrong? :lol

Oh yea, bc I expose how Obama is a complete fraud. lol.

You seem to know so much about the mic, fraud, corruption, but some how put the blinders on when the dude in office wears a D. It's pathetic for u to tell yourself Obama isn't part of it. U embarrass yourself. Republican/Democrat. No real difference. Just two parties pretend to be debating, but really just saying the same things differently.

Your messiah is the asshole. For the drones he has dropped on kids, and for the hellfire he so desperately wants to drop on more, and it makes you an asshole to defend him.

You used to be one of my favorite posters..but I'm getting more and more disapointed. Smh

As the kids like to say..real talk.

[Blake]

:lol Boutons, you've never spoken to me like this. Where did it all go wrong? :lol

Oh yea, bc I expose how Obama is a complete fraud. lol.

You seem to know so much about the mic, fraud, corruption, but some how put the blinders on when the dude in office wears a D. It's pathetic for u to tell yourself Obama isn't part of it. U embarrass yourself. Republican/Democrat. No real difference. Just two parties pretend to be debating, but really just saying the same things differently.

Your messiah is the asshole. For the drones he has dropped on kids, and for the hellfire he so desperately wants to drop on more, and it makes you an asshole to defend him.

You used to be one of my favorite posters..but I'm getting more and more disapointed. Smh

As the kids like to say..real talk.

It doesn't take much real talk to figure out how unintelligent you are.

and after your low intelligence gets exposed, your genuine, real butthurt sets in and you go with your "Obama is your Messiah...." line followed by quote changes and jpegs.

:cry boutons come back :cry

[boutons_deux]

Obama Wants Regime Change in Syria, It's Not Just About the WMD


We’re already militarily supporting the rebels.

The punishment-bombing (she calls it a “spanking”) of al-Assad’s forces won’t interfere with that ongoing support, and by implication, the two are intended to work together.


There’s a fundamental dishonesty in the debate about Syria derived from treating the authorization to punish Bashar al-Assad for chemical weapons use in isolation from the Administration’s acknowledged covert operations to support the rebels. …

[T]he Administration is pursuing publicly acknowledged (!) covert operations with the intent of either overthrowing Assad and replacing him with moderate, secular Syrians (based on assurances from the “Custodian of the Two Mosques (http://www.saudiembassy.or.jp/En/SA/custodian2.htm)” about who is and who is not secular), or at least weakening Assad sufficiently to force concessions in a negotiated deal that includes the Russians.


I think these provisions together constitute congressional acknowledgement that the President has constitutional authority, independent of the AUMF, to use military force to defend against the acknowledged threat to U.S. national security interests posed by the Syrian acquisition and use of WMD. … Note that this very broad congressional acknowledgment of presidential power does not suggest any geographical limitation.

The last “Whereas” clause [in the AUMF] is the broadest such clause I have ever seen. I believe that the notion of a congressional “whereas” acknowledgment of independent presidential power in an AUMF is a Bush-era innovation. (I have not seen such clauses in pre-Bush-era AUMFs.) But the Senate’s draft “Whereas” clause is much broader than the analogous ones during the Bush era.


1. The Pentagon and administration want this war, and since they already acknowledge that they’re arming selected rebels (“lethal support”), the stated cause behind the soften-him-up bombing — al-Assad used “gas on his own people” — is just a side-show.

The real show is regime change, with an attempt to install rebel “moderates” in power, and block out the extremists.

2. This may end very badly. The problem? No Shi’ite in or out of Syria sees any of the rebels as a friend. From the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/world/middleeast/syria-debate-in-iraq.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&hp):

The war in Iraq has already inflamed sectarian tensions, emboldening [Syrian] Sunni extremists to raise the tempo of attacks against the Shiite-dominated [Syrian] government, while also motivating [Iraqi] Shiite men, with support from Iran, to travel to Syria to fight alongside the government forces and their ally, the Lebanese Shiite group Hezbollah.

Note that in the minds of the Iraqi Shi’ites, according to the Times, they are both hated, both enemies. This is a game with many players. Picture a chinese checker board, with temporary alliances among the players, but each ultimately playing for themselves and their separate goals.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/18674-obama-wants-regime-change-in-syria-its-not-just-about-the-wmd


iow, a real mess, ethnic and of course religious hatreds.

I'd say with USA, France, Israel, Sunni countries like Saudi Arabia, the Arab League wanting Iran's satellite wanting the Assads taken down, it's inevitable.

As with Iraq-for-oil, WMD is a pretext, not a reason.

If the Repugs were in the WH, they'd be all for war, but since its's Dem n!gg@, they will impeach him AND will fail, looking as stupid as they were when they impeached Clinton.

[ChumpDumper]

https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/1235071_615399671836326_1538827625_n.pngBecause it was six years ago.

[pgardn]

"So what does the evidence say?"

You, bloodthirsty asshole, have NO EVIDENCE, only wishful thinking and circumstances.

Let's see what the weapons inspectors say.




The evidence says the Syrian government.

Period

.

[SA210]

:cry SA210 is really in my head, do yall see how butthurt I am over his ownage of me, I can't even talk about the topics at all.. It's bad enough everyone agrees that I'm a carbon wannabe copy of a loser chump and can't think for myself nor contribute anything to the forum other than suckage, which makes me even more pathetic, there is only one thing that can help me feel better..I guess what I'm trying to say is..

Will you fuck my wife, please?? :cry


crofl

[FuzzyLumpkins]

"So what does the evidence say?"

You, bloodthirsty asshole, have NO EVIDENCE, only wishful thinking and circumstances.

Let's see what the weapons inspectors say.




They said sarin was used. Now the EU has come on and said Assad used them.

The world has moved on so arguing with conspiracy nitwits such as yourself is pointless. I am moving on as well.

I agree that we don't need to enter another conflict with no clear way of accomplishing a meaningful objective within reason. You're still a dumbass nonetheless..

[Jacob1983]

Why is it America's responsibility or duty to make a regime change in Syria? Shouldn't that be Syria's problem? It's their fucked up country. Leave them alone and let them figure it out.

[boutons_deux]

They said sarin was used. Now the EU has come on and said Assad used them.

The world has moved on so arguing with conspiracy nitwits such as yourself is pointless. I am moving on as well.

I agree that we don't need to enter another conflict with no clear way of accomplishing a meaningful objective within reason. You're still a dumbass nonetheless..

I'll wait for the weapons inspectors to make their report.

When it comes to acts of war, starting a war, especially when USA, and the countries around Syria want Assad gone for other reasons than unproven WMD usage on his own people, I don't go along with groupthink. Spanish-American war, Tonkin Gulf, Iraq were all bullshit, bogus wars for American imperialism. Syria very likely is the same. All these m/e countries are backwards, corrupt shitholes, which is even worse that high-tech, corrupt USA.

[pgardn]

I'll wait for the weapons inspectors to make their report.

When it comes to acts of war, starting a war, especially when USA, and the countries around Syria want Assad gone for other reasons than unproven WMD usage on his own people, I don't go along with groupthink. Spanish-American war, Tonkin Gulf, Iraq were all bullshit, bogus wars for American imperialism. Syria very likely is the same. All these m/e countries are backwards, corrupt shitholes, which is even worse that high-tech, corrupt USA.

Do you realize how you found out that WMD's were lacking in Iraq?

Ask yourself how you determined this to be true?

You had to rely on sources. What really made you believe? A comic book? Your standard fruitcake sources to fulfill what you already WANT to be true? Ask yourself. And then ask yourself what the most reliable sources are and WHERE they are based.

You can't handle the truth if it does not fit your ideology. You are as screwed up as bible thumpers who can't handle evolution. And you don't even realize it. You don't want to know the truth if it messes with your preconceived notions. You can't handle the truth if it makes you uncomfortable.

This is why you are a fruitbat. You take a stand based on your preconceived notions. The evidence stands against your preconceived notions and stance. You retreat to the fruitbat colony of fanciful media to find anything you can. Say it ain't so... Say it ain't so... My God is false. It should make you sick. But you don't mind lying to yourself because its comforting. You can't possibly be wrong. It would screw with your worldview that is static. You are as bad as the Texas textbook committees you despise. Must feel good...

[boutons_deux]

"WMD's were lacking in Iraq?"

of course. dubya/dickhead/rummy/neocons LIED their way into Iraq for oil, told the weapons inspectors, who couldn't find the WMD THAT DIDN'T EXIST, to get out, then the US military confirmed that the WMD WERE NOT IN IRAQ.

[pgardn]

"WMD's were lacking in Iraq?"

of course. dubya/dickhead/rummy/neocons LIED their way into Iraq for oil, told the weapons inspectors, who couldn't find the WMD THAT DIDN'T EXIST, to get out, then the US military confirmed that the WMD WERE NOT IN IRAQ.




Oh...

So now you believe the US military? Of course, because it fits. BTW the Iraqi's had gas.

And you also realize many conservatives insist there were WMD's because there was some gas. Some believe tales of vast quantities of biological weapons. Still. They have their favorite fruitbat sites just like you. Lookem up. And just like you, they don't want the facts as we now know them.

So here is the line from the beginning:
1. Reports of massive gassing in Syria. False US reports
2. Large numbers of Syrians dead no signs of wounds. Look closer, it can't be.
3. Gassing confirmed. Shit, the US did not invent this, it's the Rebels.
4. Rebels might have gas, but almost no capability of distributing it as it was. It's a lie made up by th US

and here we stand.

All signs point towards the military. Was it a rogue commander? Must be a rogue commander, Assad would never do this, it doe not make sense. Did Saddam not allowing inspectors in make sense at the time if he did not possess WMD's?

Personally at this point I am waiting to see if this was ordered or "use at the field commanders discretion". I could be wrong, but this is where I am.

In your heart you wish this was a big US plot.

[boutons_deux]

"BTW the Iraqi's had gas"

btw, the USA has gas.

btw, the USA is the biggest death/weapons monger on the planet.

btw, the USA used WMD in Iraq, aka, depleted uranium which is still fucking up Iraqis.

btw, the USA used WMD in VN, which is still fucking up Viet Namese and US vets.

[boutons_deux]

"So now you believe the US military"

if the US military had found Saddam's WMD, do you think they would have kept it secret?

[pgardn]

We both need to get to work now.

I need to supply the US people with a service they deem important.

[pgardn]

"So now you believe the US military"

if the US military had found Saddam's WMD, do you think they would have kept it secret?

Do you think if they did NOT find WMD's they would have kept it secret? Oh shit, they let it out. Lets make up some insane story about the reasons the US lied. You know they really did have WMD's...

This is the other side of the fruitbat coin, but you dismiss this.

Get to work.
NOW.

[boutons_deux]

"Do you think if they did NOT find WMD's they would have kept it secret"

did dubya or dickhead make any WH announcements about the US military NOT finding WMD, at the same volume and intensity they had when LYING that Saddam has WMD? IIRC, the non-finding sorta dribbled out, and the MSM didn't run with it.

[boobie4three]

John Kerry Is Getting Relentlessly Mocked For Saying Syria Strikes Will Be 'Unbelievably Small'

BRETT LOGIURATO SEP. 9, 2013, 10:06 AM

Making the case for intervention in Syria to a war-weary American public, Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that the strike will be "unbelievably small" — a comment that has already earned him relentless mocking in its immediate aftermath.
"We’re not going to war. We will not have people at risk in that way," Kerry said during a press conference in London with UK Foreign Secretary William Hague, according to a transcript released by the State Department.

"We will be able to hold Bashar Assad accountable without engaging in troops on the ground or any other prolonged kind of effort in a very limited, very targeted, very short-term effort that degrades his capacity to deliver chemical weapons without assuming responsibility for Syria’s civil war.

"That is exactly what we’re talking about doing – unbelievably small, limited kind of effort."

Kerry's comments are a microcosm of the poor job the Obama administration has done trying to explain the rationale for intervention. On one hand, they realize they are dealing with a "war-weary" public skeptical of engaging in another Middle East conflict.

On the other hand, Kerry has made repeated comments casting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as the greatest villain of the 21st century, in response to an alleged chemical-weapons attack against his own people on Aug. 21. The U.S. says the attack killed 1,429 people, including 426 children.

In a blistering statement unveiling the evidence the U.S. had against Assad, Kerry called him a "thug" and a "murderer." He has also made repeated comparisons of Assad to Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein. He has also said this is a "Munich moment" for members of Congress deciding whether to grant President Obama the authority to carry out limited strikes.

Kerry earned immediate fire from even supporters of the administration's plan, including Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), the chair of the House Intelligence Committee.

"I don't understand what he means by that," Rogers said when asked to analyze Kerry's comments Monday on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

"This is part of the problem. That's a very confusing message. Certainly a confusing message to me — that he would offer that, as somebody who believes this is in our national security interest."

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-kerry-syria-unbelievably-small-intervention-war-assad-2013-9

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/clintoKerry_zpsddea031d.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/clintoKerry_zpsddea031d.jpg.html)

[boutons_deux]

Lingering Doubts Over Syria Gas Attack Evidence


he U.S. government insists it has the intelligence to prove it, but the American public has yet to see a single piece of concrete evidence - no satellite imagery, no transcripts of Syrian military communications - connecting the government of President Bashar Assad to the alleged chemical weapons attack last month that killed hundreds of people.

In the absence of such evidence, Damascus and its ally Russia have aggressively pushed another scenario: that rebels carried out the Aug. 21 chemical attack. Neither has produced evidence for that case, either. That's left more questions than answers as the U.S. threatens a possible military strike.

The early morning assault in a rebel-held Damascus suburb known as Ghouta was said to be the deadliest chemical weapons attack in Syria's 2 1/2-year civil war. Survivors' accounts, photographs of many of the dead wrapped peacefully in white sheets and dozens of videos showing victims in spasms and gasping for breath shocked the world and moved President Barack Obama to call for action because the use of chemical weapons crossed the red line he had drawn a year earlier.

Yet one week after Secretary of State John Kerry outlined the case against Assad, Americans - at least those without access to classified reports - haven't seen a shred of his proof.

There is open-source evidence that provides clues about the attack, including videos of the rockets that analysts believe were likely used. Some experts also think the size of the strike, and the amount of toxic chemicals that appear to have been delivered, make it doubtful that the rebels could have carried it out.

The Obama administration, searching for support from a divided Congress and skeptical world leaders, says its own assessment is based mainly on satellite and signal intelligence, including indications in the three days prior to the attack that the regime was preparing to use poisonous gas.

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/330-131/19314-lingering-doubts-over-syria-gas-attack-evidence

[boutons_deux]

Obama's top aide says the administration lacks "irrefutable, beyond-a-reasonable-doubt evidence" that skeptical Americans, including lawmakers who will start voting on military action this week, are seeking.

"This is not a court of law. And intelligence does not work that way,"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/09/white-house-syria_n_3893223.html

[Blake]

crofl

Oh neat, you're laughing at your own quote change.

TSA thinks you're amusing, so at least there's that.

[TSA]

Oh neat, you're laughing at your own quote change.

TSA thinks you're amusing, so at least there's that.

Almost as amusing as watching you follow him around without still having formed an opinion on the topic at hand.

[Blake]

Almost as amusing as watching you follow him around without still having formed an opinion on the topic at hand.

So you're following me following him without giving me your opinion and the basis for it.

How fruitful of you.

[TSA]

So you're following me following him without giving me your opinion and the basis for it.

How fruitful of you.

I've stated my opinion on Syria numerous times in this thread and others.

[Jacob1983]

So is Obama gonna continue to be Bush's clone and bomb the shit out of Syria, or will he step up and stop being a proud egotistical prick and admit defeat on this shit?

[Blake]

I've stated my opinion on Syria numerous times in this thread and others.

Sorry, I don't care enough to search for it.

if you don't want to tell it to me when I directly ask for it, don't pretend like you genuinely want my opinion. Just be honest and admit you're being fruitless.

[Trill Clinton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KgoXdxUyjQ

pretty bad ass

[TSA]

Sorry, I don't care enough to search for it.

if you don't want to tell it to me when I directly ask for it, don't pretend like you genuinely want my opinion. Just be honest and admit you're being fruitless.


You are too lazy to search for my statements on Syria and you are too lazy to do your own research on Syria to form an opinion. Why are you in a thread that is discussing Syria?

[SA210]

You are too lazy to search for my statements on Syria and you are too lazy to do your own research on Syria to form an opinion. Why are you in a thread that is discussing Syria?

He's just angry that Obama is being shown for the fraud he is. That's it. He's angry that its come out, so he has no real opinions or a spine to take a stance other than personally attacking posters for posting any facts about his messiah that he will now come back and deny. When someone talks shit back to him he pulls a chump and railroads threads over stupid grudges. Banworthy stuff tbh.
'

[Blake]

You are too lazy to search for my statements on Syria and you are too lazy to do your own research on Syria to form an opinion. Why are you in a thread that is discussing Syria?

I was barely not lazy enough to open this thread to see where the war mongers are at.

why do you keep pretending you care about my opinion

[Blake]

He's just angry that Obama is being shown for the fraud he is. That's it. He's angry that its come out, so he has no real opinions or a spine to take a stance other than personally attacking posters for posting any facts about his messiah that he will now come back and deny. When someone talks shit back to him he pulls a chump and railroads threads over stupid grudges. Banworthy stuff tbh.
'

wut per par

[cheguevara]

Russia's carrier killer arrives to the party, just in time for the fireworks thanks to the stupidity of John Kerry and co :lol

"The armaments and technical equipment of the missile cruiser are in working condition. The crew is ready to perform combat missions,” the source said.

Designed to be carrier-killers, the cruisers of Class 1164 are equipped with 16 anti-ship launchers P-1000 Vulkan, or Volcano (SS-N-12 Sandbox anti-ship missiles, according to NATO classification).

http://rt.com/files/news/20/67/00/00/russia__s__carrier-killer__moskva_enters_mediterranean.si.jpg

[Th'Pusher]

Russia's carrier killer arrives to the party, just in time for the fireworks thanks to the stupidity of John Kerry and co :lol

"The armaments and technical equipment of the missile cruiser are in working condition. The crew is ready to perform combat missions,” the source said.

Designed to be carrier-killers, the cruisers of Class 1164 are equipped with 16 anti-ship launchers P-1000 Vulkan, or Volcano (SS-N-12 Sandbox anti-ship missiles, according to NATO classification).

http://rt.com/files/news/20/67/00/00/russia__s__carrier-killer__moskva_enters_mediterranean.si.jpg

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/11/221454577/whats-driving-russias-tactical-change-on-syria

Russia moved some warships from its Black Sea fleet into the Mediterranean, but officials from Moscow made it clear that they would not be there to take military action on Assad's behalf.

In fact, Mirsky acknowledged, there wasn't much that Russia could do, if the United States and its allies decided to attack.

James Goldgeier, the dean of the School of International Service at American University in Washington, D.C., says President Vladimir Putin has tried to bring Russia back, but "it's not the power that it once was."

"[Russia's] geostrategic position has changed drastically," he says. "It doesn't have as much reach as it used to have. It doesn't have as much influence."

[Wild Cobra]

The evidence says the Syrian government.

Period

.
So why hasn't that evidence been shared with other intelligence agencies?

Is it wise to believe Obomba when he doesn't show his evidence to anyone?

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KgoXdxUyjQ

pretty bad ass

Cool.

They deserved that.

[Wild Cobra]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/krakee/clintoKerry_zpsddea031d.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/krakee/media/clintoKerry_zpsddea031d.jpg.html)

Sad, but true...

[boutons_deux]

MCCAIN ACCUSES OBAMA OF THINKING BEFORE USING FORCE


—Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona) was harshly critical today of President Obama’s nationally televised address about Syria this week, telling CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, “The President’s decision to think before attacking another country flies in the face of American foreign policy.”

“The United States of America has been involved in countless armed conflicts since this great nation was founded,” Mr. McCain said. “Many of those would never have happened if we’d stopped to think about them first. Sadly, the President seems not to have learned this lesson of history.”

Calling the President “an Ivy League law professor who never met a thought he didn’t like,” Mr. McCain said that he was urging Mr. Obama “to please take thinking off the table.”

“The stakes for America couldn’t be higher right now,” he said. “Our global reputation for rushing into war with no advance planning is hanging by a thread.”

Mr. McCain said that he is attempting to schedule a meeting in the Oval Office, where he plans to deliver a “strong and clear” message to Mr. Obama: “Mr. President, what you are doing is playing into the hands of the enemy. Thinking solves nothing.”

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/09/mccain-accuses-obama-of-thinking-before-using-force.html?mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(165)

[SA210]

I wish MCCain remained a prisoner

[whitemamba]

I wish MCCain remained a prisoner

Agreed, I dont even want him dead, just captured and tortured for years. That fat fuck tryin to iraqatize Syria, piece of monkey shit McCunty.

[TSA]

Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.

The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.

Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.

From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.

No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.

It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”

But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.

The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.

We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.

A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.

I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.

If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.

My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

[boutons_deux]

"civilized diplomatic and political settlement."

... starts at home, Pussy Riot jailer and homophobe! :lol

[Jacob1983]

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/11/05/mcdebate1_wideweb__470x242,2.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Anticipating Apocalypse on the Road to Damascus: Dominionist US Military Superiors Find Common Ground With Islamic Extremists

How many U.S. military senior ranking officers and non-commissioned officers (NCOs), thrilled to unbridled giddiness with the prospect of America’s “humanitarian” attack against Syria – on a basis of “Biblical” prophecies (http://www.religionnews.com/2013/08/27/commentary-keep-doomsday-religion-out-of-the-syrian-conflict/) – does it take to make a national security crisis?

Answer: Only one. But we have well over 250 of them at least.

For these nefarious extremists (http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/05/syria-war-abu-sakkar-opposition-challenges.html), their guiding motivation is a crude eschatology (http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/international-jihad-and-the-syrian-conflict), an “End of Days” Islamic apocalypticism. This dreadful vision (http://www.haaretz.com/culture/books/islamic-studies-apocalypse-quite-soon-1.343997) foresees the Return of Jesus Christ (an important prophet in the Muslim faith and the Messiah), who will lead the “godly forces” in a battle against the “forces of evil” (the Islamic Anti-Christ (http://www.discoveringislam.org/anti-christ.htm), or dajjal, and Satan).” Where will this battle take place? Damascus, Syria.

Thus, it was with severe worry that the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), the civil rights and constitutional defense foundation of which I’m Founder and President, received the shocking testimonials of over 250 armed servicemember clients regarding the obsessed anticipation of apocalypse (http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/biblical-doom-of-damascus-right-before-our-eyes/) emanating from their superiors among the ranks of officers both commissioned and non-commissioned, spanning all four service branches. The Book of Revelation is their blueprint for “success” and they are all too happy to trumpet this “Good News” (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/08/biblical-doom-of-damascus-right-before-our-eyes-2752466.html) to their helpless armed forces subordinates.

You see, they interpret almost ANYthing that will further inflame the Middle East, and its nexus to bloodshed in Israel, as a divinely prophesied (http://www.alamongordo.com/bible-prophecy-damascus-will-be-destroyed-before-the-end-of-times/) accelerant or lubricant to hasten the End of Days apocalypse wrought by their avenging warrior “flavor” of Jesus Christ. The proposed attack on Syria has these U.S. military superiors licking their chops in delicious delight as an absolutely necessary and foretold event to herald the advent (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/17/does-the-bible-predict-gods-end-times-destruction-of-syria-and-is-prophesy-about-to-unfold-before-our-eyes/) of the Armageddon they pray for endlessly.

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/18754-anticipating-apocalypse-on-the-road-to-damascus-dominionist-us-military-superiors-find-common-ground-with-islamic-extremists

Onward and upward, all ye "Christian" paranoid soldier OT-thumpers!

[cheguevara]

tbh I don't think Putin's move is a good one at all. Not sure what was the motivation behind it.

Everyone knew that Obama was already backtracking even before Russia's offer and everyone knew that he was going to get his ass handed to him by Congress. The public opinion was clear and I am not sure Obama would have pushed on with the attacks. I think he would have not.

But then Putin comes and confuses the American public. Now Obama has an excuse, if Syria starts playing games, boom.

Only thing that comes to mind is Putin has no respect for US diplomacy and thinks he can wrestle them to submission on the negotiation table. And who does the US send do to handle such a job, noone else but Ketchup Kerry :lol

[boutons_deux]

that started well :lol
US Rejects Syria's 30-Day Weapons Deadline


US Secretary of State John Kerry has rejected Syria's pledge to hand over information on its chemical weapons in 30 days.

Speaking at a news conference with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, he noted that it was standard procedure for a country to submit its weapons data a month after signing an international chemical weapons ban.

But he said: "There is nothing standard about this process. The words of the Syrian regime in our judgement are simply not enough."

He warned that the US could still launch a military strike if Syria's President Bashar al Assad reneged on his promises, and said the US was wary of any stalling process.

"There ought to be consequences if it doesn't take place," he warned.

http://news.sky.com/story/1140837/us-rejects-syrias-30-day-weapons-deadline

[ChumpDumper]

tbh I don't think Putin's move is a good one at all. Not sure what was the motivation behind it.
I already made some guesses at motivation. There is enough evidence that Obama would proceed with strikes regardless of congress, and Russia doesn't want strikes anymore than the US does. Kerry's accidental diplomacy helps everyone save face.

[cheguevara]

I already made some guesses at motivation. There is enough evidence that Obama would proceed with strikes regardless of congress, and Russia doesn't want strikes anymore than the US does. Kerry's accidental diplomacy helps everyone save face.

well I guess if the UN reports did have more evidence then yes. I guess Putin knew that the UN reports were not going to look good for him so he took a listen to one of Kerry's blabbering and the rest is history

[ChumpDumper]

Think about it. Before this, Assad never admitted Syria even had chemical weapons. Now they are taking up an offer to get rid of them.

BTW I just heard Kerry speaking to the press from Switzerland.

lol tree of woe

[cheguevara]

Think about it. Before this, Assad never admitted Syria even had chemical weapons. Now they are taking up an offer to get rid of them.

You seriously think Syria getting rid of their chemical weapons is actually a doable thing? :lol good luck with that



BTW I just heard Kerry speaking to the press from Switzerland.

lol tree of woe

nigga please, Kerry is currently face to face with Sergei Lavrov, a true strategist and as sneaky as they come. You really think Ketchup has a chance vs. the Russian equivalent of Vizzini? :lol

Here is Lavrov's medal count:
Order of Merit for the Fatherland, 2nd class (2010), 3rd class (2005) and 4th class (1998)
Order of Honour (1996)
Honoured Worker of the Diplomatic Service of the Russian Federation (2004)
Order of the Holy Prince Daniel of Moscow, 1st class (Russian Orthodox Church, 2010) and 2nd class
Order of Friendship (Kazakhstan, 2005)
Grand Cross of the Order of the Sun (Peru, 2007)
Order of Friendship of Peoples (Belarus, 2006)
Order of Friendship (Vietnam, 2009)
Order of Friendship (Laos)
Medal of Honour (South Ossetia, 19 March 2010) - for his great personal contribution to strengthening international security, peace and stability in the Caucasus, the development of friendly relations between the Republic of South Ossetia and the Russian Federation
Order of St. Mashtots (Armenia, August 19, 2010) - for outstanding contribution to the consolidation and development of age-old Armenian-Russian friendly relations
Gold Medal of the Yerevan State University (Armenia, 2007)
Honorary medal "For participation in the programs of the United Nations" (UN Association of Russia, 2005)

How about Kerry? oh that's right, the 2 medals he ever had he threw them to the fire because Jane Fonda told him to :lmao

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Russia's carrier killer arrives to the party, just in time for the fireworks thanks to the stupidity of John Kerry and co :lol

"The armaments and technical equipment of the missile cruiser are in working condition. The crew is ready to perform combat missions,” the source said.

Designed to be carrier-killers, the cruisers of Class 1164 are equipped with 16 anti-ship launchers P-1000 Vulkan, or Volcano (SS-N-12 Sandbox anti-ship missiles, according to NATO classification).

http://rt.com/files/news/20/67/00/00/russia__s__carrier-killer__moskva_enters_mediterranean.si.jpg

You really think that the the Russians are going to start a naval battle in the Mediterranean? Do me a favor. Look up who the NATO countries are. Then look at a map and where the NATO countries are, where Russia is, and where Syria is. Think about it real hard.

Keep cheering for the Russians though.

[TSA]

How exactly do they plan on getting said chemical weapons from Syria handed over and who will handle it?

[cheguevara]

How exactly do they plan on getting said chemical weapons from Syria handed over and who will handle it?

exactly

:lol ppl thinking this is in any way possible. Especially with a civil war going on there. Boy is the american public in deep shit

[cheguevara]

You really think that the the Russians are going to start a naval battle in the Mediterranean? Do me a favor. Look up who the NATO countries are. Then look at a map and where the NATO countries are, where Russia is, and where Syria is. Think about it real hard.

Keep cheering for the Russians though.

at the moment no. But as I mentioned before Russian military readiness is currently at "regional war level" and they are on standby to upgrade to "large scale war" (aka WWIII) at any moment

all it would take is someone to attack Russia and it's game on. Putin already said the moment Russia is attacked he will fly the first bomber :lol

[ChumpDumper]

You seriously think Syria getting rid of their chemical weapons is actually a doable thing? :lol good luck with thatWhy not?

Saddam did it.


nigga please, Kerry is currently face to face with Sergei Lavrov, a true strategist and as sneaky as they come. You really think Ketchup has a chance vs. the Russian equivalent of Vizzini? :lolYou didn't say any of this. You said Kerry was put into hiding.

You had to change the subject to your newest Russian hero.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

at the moment no. But as I mentioned before Russian military readiness is currently at "regional war level" and they are on standby to upgrade to "large scale war" (aka WWIII) at any moment

all it would take is someone to attack Russia and it's game on. Putin already said the moment Russia is attacked he will fly the first bomber :lol

More takes from your apocalypse websites huh?

Now why would anyone attack Russia?

And it's interesting how you complain about Israel firing weapons on their Syrian border but you laud the Russians for their saber rattling. Whats next you going to rally behind Un?

[ChumpDumper]

He's just another one of those posters who forgot whatever he was originally talking about. Now he's just a Putin cheerleader.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You seriously think Syria getting rid of their chemical weapons is actually a doable thing? :lol good luck with that



nigga please, Kerry is currently face to face with Sergei Lavrov, a true strategist and as sneaky as they come. You really think Ketchup has a chance vs. the Russian equivalent of Vizzini? :lol

Here is Lavrov's medal count:
Order of Merit for the Fatherland, 2nd class (2010), 3rd class (2005) and 4th class (1998)
Order of Honour (1996)
Honoured Worker of the Diplomatic Service of the Russian Federation (2004)
Order of the Holy Prince Daniel of Moscow, 1st class (Russian Orthodox Church, 2010) and 2nd class
Order of Friendship (Kazakhstan, 2005)
Grand Cross of the Order of the Sun (Peru, 2007)
Order of Friendship of Peoples (Belarus, 2006)
Order of Friendship (Vietnam, 2009)
Order of Friendship (Laos)
Medal of Honour (South Ossetia, 19 March 2010) - for his great personal contribution to strengthening international security, peace and stability in the Caucasus, the development of friendly relations between the Republic of South Ossetia and the Russian Federation
Order of St. Mashtots (Armenia, August 19, 2010) - for outstanding contribution to the consolidation and development of age-old Armenian-Russian friendly relations
Gold Medal of the Yerevan State University (Armenia, 2007)
Honorary medal "For participation in the programs of the United Nations" (UN Association of Russia, 2005)

How about Kerry? oh that's right, the 2 medals he ever had he threw them to the fire because Jane Fonda told him to :lmao

And sophistry at it's finest. You posted an article a week ago stating that it would take 75k troops to complete a the securing of them in your effort to say that we were planning on a ground assault. Now you have resorted to this tact.

It's pretty obvious that you regurgitate your takes but come the fuck on. Critical thinking. Try it.

[cheguevara]

More takes from your apocalypse websites huh?

Now why would anyone attack Russia?

boy you really are a rookie at the art of war. A large scale terrorist attack on Russian assets/civilians would undoubtedly bring Russia into war in a minute. Wow you really think there is no chance Russia could get dragged into a large scale MIddle East war? Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's likely, but wake up it's darn possible



And it's interesting how you complain about Israel firing weapons on their Syrian border but you laud the Russians for their saber rattling. Whats next you going to rally behind Un?

:lmao so firing missiles to a country that is expecting a large scale attack any minute is equivalent to beefing up your forces around YOUR naval base???? Wow just wow

[cheguevara]

Why not?

Saddam did it.

more lies



You didn't say any of this. You said Kerry was put into hiding.

You had to change the subject to your newest Russian hero.

Yes Kerry was put into hiding immediately after his fuckup. Don't try to spin it. :rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

boy you really are a rookie at the art of war. A large scale terrorist attack on Russian assets/civilians would undoubtedly bring Russia into war in a minute. Wow you really think there is no chance Russia could get dragged into a large scale MIddle East war? Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's likely, but wake up it's darn possibleThey are going far out of their way to avoid war. They just sold out Syria on the existence of their WMD.

[ChumpDumper]

more liesYou proved he did.

You still didn't understand that?


Yes Kerry was put into hiding immediately after his fuckup. Don't try to spin it. :rolleyesYou're like a little baby who thinks people cease to exist when they are out of sight. Don't try to spin that you simply didn't know he was on a plane.

[TSA]

Why not?

Saddam did it.

It's a very different situation there, don't play dumb.

Do you really think Russia or the US or the United Nation could just waltz in and secure the chemical weapons? It already sounds like Assad has lost some control over his military, whose to say they would comply? Disarmament sounds nice in theory but will most likely be a huge clusterfuck, involving chemical weapons.

[Th'Pusher]

Disarmament sounds nice in theory but will most likely be a huge clusterfuck, involving chemical weapons.
How is that any different than what's is going on today?

[TSA]

How is that any different than what's is going on today?

Simple, we aren't involved.

[Th'Pusher]

Simple, we aren't involved.
Define involved. And explain how our current involvement (we are in fact involved) would change with a UN led effort to secure the WMD?

[SA210]

:lol when I come in for a minute from the real world its hilarious to see that chump stayed butthurt the whole time and still getting owned

:lol ketchup

[ChumpDumper]

It's a very different situation there, don't play dumb.

Do you really think Russia or the US or the United Nation could just waltz in and secure the chemical weapons? It already sounds like Assad has lost some control over his military, whose to say they would comply? Disarmament sounds nice in theory but will most likely be a huge clusterfuck, involving chemical weapons.An imperfect collection and securing is better than a perfect airstrike.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol when I come in for a minute from the real world its hilarious to see that chump stayed butthurt the whole time and still getting owned

:lol ketchupIt's hilarious to see you never talking about the topic and only talking about me.

lol vaccines

[SA210]

:lmao 77, 514.

It was 77, 100ish only a couple days ago

lol Al Qaeda sympathizer

[Blake]

:lmao 77, 514.

It was 77, 100ish only a couple days ago

lol Al Qaeda sympathizer

keeping track of his posts almost by the day. Wow.

just pathetic

[SA210]

keeping track of your posts sa210, following you around every day. Wow.

I'm pathetic

[AaronY]

http://i.imgur.com/eG4FHUx.gif

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao 77, 514.

It was 77, 100ish only a couple days ago

lol Al Qaeda sympathizerlol obsessed with me

lol never talking about the topic, only me

[SA210]

lol obsessed with me

lol never talking about the topic, only me


:lol chump can't get over me, obsessed with me and railroading topics like the ban-worthy troll he is

chump vanished after I destroyed his maxi pad ass in the 9/11 thread then comes back when the coast is clear :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, that isn't the topic.

Thanks for proving me right again.

lol mad I went out

[Blake]

:lol chump can't get over me, obsessed with me and railroading topics like the ban-worthy troll he is

chump vanished after I destroyed his maxi pad ass in the 9/11 thread then comes back when the coast is clear :lmao

Unintelligent hypocrite

[SA210]

I was voted most worthless poster that contributes the least, me in this thread is an example of that

[Blake]

Unintelligent hypocrite that thinks ST popularity polls are important

[RandomGuy]

Judging from that quote of hers, she has a better grasp of the situation than the Community Organizer in Chief.

:rollin

Sure, you go with that.

Tell me, how many daily briefings does Sarah Palin get from our intelligence services?

[RandomGuy]

Any significant targets have more than likely been moved because our blustery President thought it was a good idea to look and act tough without thinking things through. And what happens if we do hit a stockpile of Sarin gas and it spreads and kills scores of civilians? Will 0bama win another Nobel Peace Prize for that?

Can you provide evidence that they have been moved?

Given that rebels control quite a few areas of the country, it would seem that there is a vanishingly small number of places they can move such things *to*.

[RandomGuy]

I don't have to like the asshole to agree he's a great header. I didn't like Clinton either, but he was a great leader.

Leaders can be good or bad.

"Putin is a great leader".

My gut says that is dumb, but hey, I'll go for it:

Why/how would you justify that?

There is more than adequate evidence to the contrary. The average Russian is getting poorer, sicker, and less educated, despite their economic growth.
Good place to start on that viewpoint, and the data supporting it:
http://dyingrussia.wordpress.com/2012/12/13/russian-poverty/

[Wild Cobra]

"Putin is a great leader".

My gut says that is dumb, but hey, I'll go for it:

Why/how would you justify that?

There is more than adequate evidence to the contrary. The average Russian is getting poorer, sicker, and less educated, despite their economic growth.
Good place to start on that viewpoint, and the data supporting it:
http://dyingrussia.wordpress.com/2012/12/13/russian-poverty/

I think you need to reexamine the definition of "leader" and consider how I am applying it.

[RandomGuy]

Go back and read the last couple of pages if you really care to know my arguments.

You don't have any fucking arguments, you have reposts of op-eds.

From this we can conclude several possibilities:

You are too dumb to have your own opinion, in your own words.
You are smart enough to post your own opinion, but don't because you know that you are not as smart as the people who disagree with you.
You are too lazy to have your own opinion.

Maybe a mixture of the above. I think mostly the first and the last.

[RandomGuy]

I think you need to reexamine the definition of "leader" and consider how I am applying it.

I haven't finished sifting through the thread yet. Argh... so little time these days.

[TeyshaBlue]

'sup RG?

[cheguevara]

Syrian terrorist rebels caught using chemicals on August 21:
gf9HcQN5yOY

[boutons_deux]

The Military-Industrial-Pundit Complex


New research shows many so-called experts who appeared on television making the case for U.S. strikes on Syria had undisclosed ties to military contractors. A new report by the Public Accountability Initiative identifies 22 commentators with industry ties. While they appeared on television or were quoted as experts 111 times, their links to military firms were disclosed only 13 of those times. The report focuses largely on Stephen Hadley, who served as national security adviser to President George W. Bush. During the debate on Syria, he appeared on CNN, MSNBC, Fox News and Bloomberg TV. None of these stations informed viewers that Hadley currently serves as a director of the weapons manufacturer Raytheon that makes Tomahawk cruise missiles widely touted as the weapon of choice for bombing Syria. He also owns over 11,000 shares of Raytheon stock, which traded at all-time highs during the Syria debate. We speak to Kevin Connor of the Public Accountability Initiative, a co-author of the report.

Let’s take a look at how some of those pundits were identified during recent television appearances.

JAKE TAPPER: For insight into this high-stakes diplomatic mission, I’m joined by former secretary of state to the Clinton administration, Madeleine Albright.



GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: OK, let’s analyze all this now with our panel of experts. Former vice chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General James Cartwright.



GREGG JARRETT: General Jack Keane joins us, Fox News military analyst, served as four-star general and Army vice chief of staff. General, good to see you, as always.



JAKE TAPPER: I want to bring in two former generals to talk about this. Anthony Zinni is the former commander-in-chief of CENTCOM, and Michael Hayden is the former CIAdirector. He’s now
a principal with the Chertoff Group, a risk management firm.



FOLLY BAH THIBAULT: Well, joining me now, live from Washington, D.C., is former U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen. Secretary Cohen, thank you for being on Al Jazeera.



GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: Joining us is Ambassador John Negroponte. He served as the first U.S. director of national intelligence, as well as U.S. ambassador to Iraq and the United Nations, and many more posts, I should add. Nice to see you, sir.


http://www.democracynow.org/2013/10/18/the_military_industrial_pundits_conflicts_of

With $1.5T/year from DOD and State Dept, the MIC has plenty of money for propaganda.

[Winehole23]

Sy Hersh claims the US Embassy at Benghazi was a front for clandestine gun running into Syria:


The full extent of US co-operation with Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar in assisting the rebel opposition in Syria has yet to come to light. The Obama administration has never publicly admitted to its role in creating what the CIA calls a ‘rat line’, a back channel highway into Syria. The rat line, authorised in early 2012, was used to funnel weapons and ammunition from Libya via southern Turkey and across the Syrian border to the opposition. Many of those in Syria who ultimately received the weapons were jihadists, some of them affiliated with al-Qaida. (The DNI spokesperson said: ‘The idea that the United States was providing weapons from Libya to anyone is false.’)


In January, the Senate Intelligence Committee released a report on the assault by a local militia in September 2012 on the American consulate and a nearby undercover CIA facility in Benghazi, which resulted in the death of the US ambassador, Christopher Stevens, and three others. The report’s criticism of the State Department for not providing adequate security at the consulate, and of the intelligence community for not alerting the US military to the presence of a CIA outpost in the area, received front-page coverage and revived animosities in Washington, with Republicans accusing Obama and Hillary Clinton of a cover-up. A highly classified annex to the report, not made public, described a secret agreement reached in early 2012 between the Obama and Erdoğan administrations. It pertained to the rat line. By the terms of the agreement, funding came from Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia and Qatar; the CIA, with the support of MI6, was responsible for getting arms from Gaddafi’s arsenals into Syria. A number of front companies were set up in Libya, some under the cover of Australian entities. Retired American soldiers, who didn’t always know who was really employing them, were hired to manage procurement and shipping. The operation was run by David Petraeus, the CIA director who would soon resign when it became known he was having an affair with his biographer. (A spokesperson for Petraeus denied the operation ever took place.)


The operation had not been disclosed at the time it was set up to the congressional intelligence committees and the congressional leadership, as required by law since the 1970s. The involvement of MI6 enabled the CIA to evade the law by classifying the mission as a liaison operation. The former intelligence official explained that for years there has been a recognised exception in the law that permits the CIA not to report liaison activity to Congress, which would otherwise be owed a finding. (All proposed CIA covert operations must be described in a written document, known as a ‘finding’, submitted to the senior leadership of Congress for approval.) Distribution of the annex was limited to the staff aides who wrote the report and to the eight ranking members of Congress – the Democratic and Republican leaders of the House and Senate, and the Democratic and Republicans leaders on the House and Senate intelligence committees. This hardly constituted a genuine attempt at oversight: the eight leaders are not known to gather together to raise questions or discuss the secret information they receive.


The annex didn’t tell the whole story of what happened in Benghazi before the attack, nor did it explain why the American consulate was attacked. ‘The consulate’s only mission was to provide cover for the moving of arms,’ the former intelligence official, who has read the annex, said. ‘It had no real political role.’


Washington abruptly ended the CIA’s role in the transfer of arms from Libya after the attack on the consulate, but the rat line kept going. ‘The United States was no longer in control of what the Turks were relaying to the jihadists,’ the former intelligence official said. Within weeks, as many as forty portable surface-to-air missile launchers, commonly known as manpads, were in the hands of Syrian rebels. On 28 November 2012, Joby Warrick of the Washington Post reported that the previous day rebels near Aleppo had used what was almost certainly a manpad to shoot down a Syrian transport helicopter. ‘The Obama administration,’ Warrick wrote, ‘has steadfastly opposed arming Syrian opposition forces with such missiles, warning that the weapons could fall into the hands of terrorists and be used to shoot down commercial aircraft.’ Two Middle Eastern intelligence officials fingered Qatar as the source, and a former US intelligence analyst speculated that the manpads could have been obtained from Syrian military outposts overrun by the rebels. There was no indication that the rebels’ possession of manpads was likely the unintended consequence of a covert US programme that was no longer under US control.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/2014/04/06/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

[Winehole23]

Long article, lots of moving parts. If his account is anywhere close to correct, we were much closer to war in Syria last year than we knew. In short, Porton Down convinced us in the 11th hour that our intelligence about Assad's use of chemical arms -- and hence, Obama's crossed red line -- was doubtful.

[lefty]

So has gone HAM yet ?

:lmao

[Winehole23]

never got that. is HAM short for hammer or is it an acronym?

[Winehole23]

By the end of 2012, it was believed throughout the American intelligence community that the rebels were losing the war. ‘Erdoğan was pissed,’ the former intelligence official said, ‘and felt he was left hanging on the vine. It was his money and the cut-off was seen as a betrayal.’ In spring 2013 US intelligence learned that the Turkish government – through elements of the MIT, its national intelligence agency, and the Gendarmerie, a militarised law-enforcement organisation – was working directly with al-Nusra and its allies to develop a chemical warfare capability. ‘The MIT was running the political liaison with the rebels, and the Gendarmerie handled military logistics, on-the-scene advice and training – including training in chemical warfare,’ the former intelligence official said. ‘Stepping up Turkey’s role in spring 2013 was seen as the key to its problems there. Erdoğan knew that if he stopped his support of the jihadists it would be all over. The Saudis could not support the war because of logistics – the distances involved and the difficulty of moving weapons and supplies. Erdoğan’s hope was to instigate an event that would force the US to cross the red line. But Obama didn’t respond in March and April.’same

[Winehole23]

The United Nations has been forced to cut the size of food parcels for those left hungry by Syria's civil war by a fifth because of a shortage of funds from donors, a senior official said on Monday.


Nevertheless, the United Nations' World Food Program managed to get food to a record 4.1 million people inside Syria last month, WFP deputy executive director Amir Abdulla told a news conference, just short of its target of 4.2 million.

As the humanitarian crisis within Syria intensifies, its neighbors are also groaning under the strain of an exodus of refugees that now totals around 3 million, U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees Antonio Guterres said.


"We know that this tragedy, together with the tragedy of the people displaced inside the country, 6.5 million, now shows that almost half of the Syrian population is displaced."


Donor countries pledged $2.3 billion for aid agencies helping Syria at a conference in Kuwait in January, but only $1.1 billion has been received so far, including $250 million handed over by Kuwait on Monday, U.N. officials said.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/07/un-cut-syria-aid_n_5105080.html

[pgardn]

http://www.lrb.co.uk/2014/04/06/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

Looks like I got fooled by by our country and a number of our allies.
Its not the first time I have been lied to effectively.

[Winehole23]

please catch up, pgardn.

see #486, slightly upstream.

[Winehole23]

are you a reader, or just trolling with intent to reply, not understand? it's hard to tell sometimes.

[Nbadan]

As intercepts and other data related to the 21 August attacks were gathered, the intelligence community saw evidence to support its suspicions. ‘We now know it was a covert action planned by Erdoğan’s people to push Obama over the red line,’ the former intelligence official said. ‘They had to escalate to a gas attack in or near Damascus when the UN inspectors’ – who arrived in Damascus on 18 August to investigate the earlier use of gas – ‘were there. The deal was to do something spectacular. Our senior military officers have been told by the DIA and other intelligence assets that the sarin was supplied through Turkey – that it could only have gotten there with Turkish support. The Turks also provided the training in producing the sarin and handling it.’ Much of the support for that assessment came from the Turks themselves, via intercepted conversations in the immediate aftermath of the attack. ‘Principal evidence came from the Turkish post-attack joy and back-slapping in numerous intercepts. Operations are always so super-secret in the planning but that all flies out the window when it comes to crowing afterwards. There is no greater vulnerability than in the perpetrators claiming credit for success.’ Erdoğan’s problems in Syria would soon be over: ‘Off goes the gas and Obama will say red line and America is going to attack Syria, or at least that was the idea. But it did not work out that way.


Erdoğan was caught red handed trying to manipulate Obama's red-line...let's be glad we have an administration which isn't afraid to back down from the initial false claims that Syria was behind the attacks by the corrupt M$M

[Winehole23]

Obama almost pressed it too far, like his predecessor. in a stunning reversal. it would seem Obama has England to thank for not doing that.

[pgardn]

are you a reader, or just trolling with intent to reply, not understand? it's hard to tell sometimes.

Dear Winehole:

I read the article. I was convinced the rebels did not have the capability of carrying out the August gas attack. This article brings to light the very intrusive behavior of Turkey and Saudi Arabia playing a very important role that was shoved under the rug during the investigation into who carried out the attack.

I was very sure Assad, or some rogue General had ordered this.

So I could have been very wrong.
Not used to posters admitting they jumped the gun?

To self, why am I even admitting this...? It's not proper procedure in this setting.
Further, why did I even post...

So what did I miss? The implications of how our administration handled this knowledge... Was not replying on this.

[Winehole23]

thanks for the fuller reply. what you meant wasn't clear at first.

[Nbadan]

Typical corrupt media...

Media blacks out Seymour Hersh exposé


Hersh has been unable to get his reports published by major American media outlets. Both of his Syrian exposés appeared in the online edition of the London Review of Books, not in the New Yorker, where he was published for many years, or any daily newspaper.

Since the new article was posted early Sunday morning, there has been total silence in the mainstream US press. The New York Times and Washington Post, the two leading dailies, said nothing. The Times published a long account Monday of fighting in Syria with no mention of Hersh’s report.
The main British dailies have also been silent. The Guardian, in addition to censoring Hersh, published a long account of a self-justifying interview on BBC Radio 4 by the notorious liar and war criminal Tony Blair, the former prime minister, defending the Iraq war and advocating military action in Syria.


The article, written by the newspaper’s chief political correspondent Nicholas Watt, goes so far as to note Blair’s argument that the use of sarin gas at Ghouta was sufficient reason to attack Syria, without referencing Hersh’s exposure of this attack as a provocation, published just 24 hours earlier. The cover-up is conscious and deliberate.


The Turkish media has commented on the Hersh report with a blizzard of vituperation and attempts to defend the Erdogan government. This comes despite the fact that the government recently shut off access to YouTube after someone posted a video of a secret meeting of government officials at which the head of Turkish intelligence discussed staging another provocation inside Syria, such as an attack on a mosque, to provide a pretext for military intervention.


The left-liberal magazine Nation commented briefly on Hersh’s first article on the Ghouta attack last December. The article by Greg Mitchell took a noncommittal position, declaring, “Hersh’s edgy investigative reporting is usually proven right, of course, but in recent years, one must admit, sometimes wrong. For myself, I’ve never claimed a belief that rebels, not the Assad forces, launched the attacks …” The Nation has not commented on the latest Hersh report.


http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/04/08/hrsh-a08.html

[Winehole23]

under Obama, official secrets prosecution has reached an all time high. persecution of whistleblowers has been relentless, their lives wrecked by the legal process. the effect is chilling.