Official poll: Replace Kobe with TMac, how many rings do TMac+Shaq win?

[irishock]

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[Michael Jordan.]

4 or 5. You could easily put Iverson in there too and they ring as well. Kobe is the most replaceable second banana of all time, tbh.

[Thebesteva]

4 or 5. You could easily put Iverson in there too and they ring as well. Kobe is the most replaceable second banana of all time, tbh.

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[Michael Jordan.]

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Salty response is salty :lol

[Thebesteva]

Salty response is salty :lol

Can't wait to the prequel of this troll to come back when the season starts again

[Michael Jordan.]

Can't wait to the prequel of this troll to come back when the season starts again
:lol I'm sure :downspin:

[jeebus]

They'd still be winning rings tbh.

[RsxPiimp]

i'd say one at least. shaq was that good during that run i feel like he can win a championship with mcgrady. mcgrady's biggest issue was his defense, and phil jackson was quoted on his book "Last Season" that mcgrady would never work on his system because he never played defense. kobe was a phenomenal defender in that 3 peat run and the dude was also playing point guard, best wing defender and the team's best offensive option in the wing. talk about playing ron harper, scottie pippen and jordan's role at the same time. he was dope :lol





i think the better question is, how many championships does j.kidd, marion and shaq win considering jackson was pushing management to trade kobe for both marion and kidd at the time.

[ElNono]

Finally a proper comparison, tbh... multiple rings, easily.

[Koolaid_Man]

we've already seen the T-Mac and Shaq script via Penny Hardaway and the answer is still Kobe Bryant :lol

Kobe 2
Shaq 1

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[Koolaid_Man]

what we do know is MJ won 0 rings without Pippen....

Kobe won 2 without Shaq...undisputed fact

[Bynumite]

Jim choked and failed to win a ring with T Mac.

And like spurfan said, Shaq would win multiple rings with T Mac.

Shaq > Jim, fact is Shaq is the superior big man tbqh :downspin:

[Michael Jordan.]

what we do know is MJ won 0 rings without Pippen....

Kobe won 2 without Shaq...undisputed fact
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[Michael Jordan.]

Damn, T-Mac probably could have won with Gasol too.

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[RsxPiimp]

we've already seen the T-Mac and Shaq script via Penny Hardaway and the answer is still Kobe Bryant :lol

Kobe 2
Shaq 1

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Y'know I have to retract my statement. I forgot about penny and shaq who won zip championship. and penny was better than mcgrady.

good shit kool

[Bynumite]

Damn, T-Mac probably could have won with Gasol too.

MJ couldn't win without Pippen tho.

[Michael Jordan.]

MJ couldn't win without Pippen tho.
Could Kobe win with Pippen? Nope.

[Bynumite]

Could Kobe win with Pippen? Nope.

Put a prime Kobe in that same era and same Bulls team and he wins tbh.

[Michael Jordan.]

Put a prime Kobe in that same era and same Bulls team and he wins tbh.
:lmao the Same Kobe that never shot 47% , while needing four top 5 big men and put him in an era where hand checking is allowed? He'd shoot in the 30's if he was lucky.

[Thebesteva]

:lol I'm sure :downspin:

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[Michael Jordan.]

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[whitemamba]

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[Michael Jordan.]

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[whitemamba]

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[Michael Jordan.]

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[Double-Up]

4 or 5. You could easily put Iverson in there too and they ring as well. Kobe is the most replaceable second banana of all time, tbh.

Iverson, nah ain't no way...T-Mac or prime VC yea, but not Iverson.

[DMC]

Jim choked and failed to win a ring with T Mac.

And like spurfan said, Shaq would win multiple rings with T Mac.

Shaq > Jim, fact is Shaq is the superior big man tbqh :downspin:

Kobe failed to win a ring with Payton, Malone and Shaq.

Kobe failed to win a ring with Dwight Howard

Shaq won a ring with Wade before Kobe ever saw another Finals.

[DMC]

Iverson, nah ain't no way...T-Mac or prime VC yea, but not Iverson.

Iverson got to the Finals pretty much by himself... oh I forgot, and Eric fucking Snow.

[Bynumite]

Kobe failed to win a ring with Payton, Malone and Shaq.

Can't argue with that.


Kobe failed to win a ring with Dwight Howard

I know spurfan likes to live in fantasy land and pretend they swept the Lakers with Kobe but we all know that was not the case. You can't fail to win a ring when you're injured and didn't play a single minute of playoffs.


Shaq won a ring with Wade before Kobe ever saw another Finals.

3 Finals and 2 rings without Shaq, 2>1PERIOD

Now go to bed senile old man.

[Bynumite]

:lmao the Same Kobe that never shot 47% , while needing four top 5 big men and put him in an era where hand checking is allowed? He'd shoot in the 30's if he was lucky.

:lol

Whatever you say man.

[Arnold Toht]

Kobe chased Shaq out of town and placed the fucker on a rocking chair. Just ask Thread. You'll never hear the end of it, and I love it.

[DMC]

Can't argue with that.



I know spurfan likes to live in fantasy land and pretend they swept the Lakers with Kobe but we all know that was not the case. You can't fail to win a ring when you're injured and didn't play a single minute of playoffs.

Pussies and assholes


3 Finals and 2 rings without Shaq, 2>1PERIOD

Now go to bed senile old man.

So going to the Finals counts now?

Shaq doesn't need that comparison, He won the 1st 3 for Kobe, so it's really 3>2 Shaq. I mean, Horry won rings without Kobe or Shaq, don't see you using him as a standard. That's because anyone who wasn't the alpha dog on the court doesn't count because they will NEVER be in the conversation. No one is comparing Steve Kerr's 5 rings to Duncan's 4.

[DMC]

Kobe chased Shaq out of town and placed the fucker on a rocking chair. Just ask Thread. You'll never hear the end of it, and I love it.

Rocking chair eh, you mean like how Shaq won a ring shortly after he left town? That rocking chair?

[DMC]

lol

Shaq
Malone
Payton
Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard
Steve Nash
Ron Artest

and Kobe only has 2 Finals MVPs

Lebron has 2 Finals MVPs

Wade
Bosh
Ray Allen
(crickets)

Tim has 3 Finals MVPs

David Robinson
(crickets)

[spurraider21]

Kobe rode Shaq's prime to 3 rings. Kobe was 26 years old when Shaq left, and Shaq was 32. It stands to reason that Kobe had more championship opportunities than Shaq after that point, especially after the gift. Imagine Shaq coattailed another great player for 3 when he was as young as Kobe was while he was riding Shaq's

[Arnold Toht]

Rocking chair eh, you mean like how Shaq won a ring shortly after he left town? That rocking chair?

Not immediately, but soon enough.

[Arnold Toht]

lol

Shaq
Malone
Payton
Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard
Steve Nash
Ron Artest

and Kobe only has 2 Finals MVPs

Lebron has 2 Finals MVPs

Wade
Bosh
Ray Allen
(crickets)

Tim has 3 Finals MVPs

David Robinson
(crickets)

So you're just going to arbitrarily place Allen, and Artest in there but you won't put Parker or Ginobili?

[Bynumite]

Kobe rode Shaq's prime to 3 rings. Kobe was 26 years old when Shaq left, and Shaq was 32. It stands to reason that Kobe had more championship opportunities than Shaq after that point, especially after the gift. Imagine Shaq coattailed another great player for 3 when he was as young as Kobe was while he was riding Shaq's

Really?

Shaq ring chased and coattailed half the NBA in an attempt to one up Kobe but in the end 5>4 prevailedPERIOD

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[Arnold Toht]

Really?

Shaq ring chased and coattailed half the NBA in an attempt to one up Kobe but in the end 5>4 prevailedPERIOD

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/shaq-the-rainbow-man.jpg
Daddy was scared shitless after Kobe rang in 09, so he went on to coattail LeBron. And then Kobe went up 5-4 on him the same season :lmao

[Bynumite]

David Robinson
(crickets)

Old man is definitely going senile. Alzheimer is hitting you hard i see.

Robinson
Manu
Parker (who Jim coattailed to ring number 4)
2x COTY winner (although Pop displays DMC levels of senility nowadays)

[DMC]

Old man is definitely going senile. Alzheimer is hitting you hard i see.

Robinson
Manu
Parker (who Jim coattailed to ring number 4)
2x COTY winner (although Pop displays DMC levels of senility nowadays)

Neither Parker nor Manu were even starters when they joined the team.

Let's not pretend having 4 HOFers is the same as having 2 guys who will one day be great players. No revisionist history.

[DMC]

Daddy was scared shitless after Kobe rang in 09, so he went on to coattail LeBron. And then Kobe went up 5-4 on him the same season :lmao

Ever consider getting your own schtick?

[Arnold Toht]

^ 2005? HOFer Manu's fucking prime?

[Arnold Toht]

Ever consider getting your own schtick?

^ 4-time champion speaking :toast

[spurraider21]

Really?

Shaq ring chased and coattailed half the NBA in an attempt to one up Kobe but in the end 5>4 prevailedPERIOD

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/shaq-the-rainbow-man.jpg

not sure if you read anything i said

[Bynumite]

Neither Parker nor Manu were even starters when they joined the team.

Let's not pretend having 4 HOFers is the same as having 2 guys who will one day be great players. No revisionist history.

Manu was an all star in 05 and Parker in 07, that's ring 3 and 4 right there.

[DMC]

Manu was an all star in 05 and Parker in 07, that's ring 3 and 4 right there.

lol

[Bynumite]

not sure if you read anything i said

You said:


Kobe was 26 years old when Shaq left, and Shaq was 32. It stands to reason that Kobe had more championship opportunities than Shaq after that point.

Shaq played for 4 different teams after he left the Lakeshow, that's seems like a good amount of opportunities to ring chase tbh. Let's not forget the years Kobe spent playing alongside scrubs like Kwame, Smush, Walton etc.

[Bynumite]

lol

You and half the fucking forum are desperately trying to convey the idea that unlike Kobe, Jim did it all by himself and carried a few scrubs that were nowhere near their primes when the spurs won 4 rings and that's not true.

[DMC]

You and half the fucking forum are desperately trying to convey the idea that unlike Kobe, Jim did it all by himself and carried a few scrubs that were nowhere near their primes when the spurs won 4 rings and that's not true.

:lmao

[Kool Bob Love]

You and half the fucking forum are desperately trying to convey the idea that unlike Kobe, Jim did it all by himself and carried a few scrubs that were nowhere near their primes when the spurs won 4 rings and that's not true.

a 56pick and a 28pick. LMAO.

Tim Duncan made chicken salad out of chicken shit.

[HI-FI]

a 56pick and a 28pick. LMAO.

Tim Duncan made chicken salad out of chicken shit.
i've been looking for that pic of Kobe on the plane with Shaq after the FInals, looking like a bitter bitch at Shaq's Finals MVP.

i can't imagine TMAC and Shaq hating each other to that degree. TMAC is a pretty cool guy, i could see him and Shaq coexisting for a lot longer, therefore picking up 5 rings over a much longer tenure.

[spurraider21]

You said:



Shaq played for 4 different teams after he left the Lakeshow, that's seems like a good amount of opportunities to ring chase tbh. Let's not forget the years Kobe spent playing alongside scrubs like Kwame, Smush, Walton etc.
had kobe not ran shaq out of town he wouldn't have had to deal with that. Fact is, young, pre-prime Kobe had the opportunity to coattail for 3 championships. Shaq had no such luxury. When they broke up, Shaq was coming out of his prime and Kobe was getting into his, so its only natural that Kobe would have more championship runs.

[Kool Bob Love]

i've been looking for that pic of Kobe on the plane with Shaq after the FInals, looking like a bitter bitch at Shaq's Finals MVP.

i can't imagine TMAC and Shaq hating each other to that degree. TMAC is a pretty cool guy, i could see him and Shaq coexisting for a lot longer, therefore picking up 5 rings over a much longer tenure.

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I voted 4 because the Spurs still would have won rings during shaq-tmac run. 04 lakers would have won with T-mac.

[HI-FI]

:lol ^ det one

[irishock]

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I voted 4 because the Spurs still would have won rings during shaq-tmac run. 04 lakers would have won with T-mac.

This picture tells the story better than any article can.

[ambchang]

Let's look at this this objectively, using statistics (something Kobe fans absolutely fears) to project what could possibly have happened.

Between 99 and 05, what we all would agree was Shaq's absolute prime, Shaq went to the finals 5 times and won 4 rings, 3 with Robin and one with Flash.

During that time, let's do a comparison between these players.

99
T-Mac: 9.7ppg/5.7reb/2.3ast in the regular season, 14.9/9/3.7 per 36 minutes. ORtg of 106, DRtg of 100, ws/48 of .143. Still with Toronto, very raw.
Kobe: 19.9/5.3/3.8, 18.9/5/3.6 per 36. ORtg 106, DRtg 104, ws/48 of .130.

Conclusion, before the comparison, I actually thought that Kobe will have T-Mac beat in a mile for 99, but the numbers said otherwise. Kobe scored more, but was worse in everything else over the course of the season. Both players were playing a 2nd banana role, so the comparisons applied. That said, the Lakers were swept by the Spurs in the 2nd round that year, swapping Kobe for T-Mac will not be a significant upgrade to make the Lakers reverse the results. No ring.

00
TMac: 15.4/6.3/3.3, 17.7/7.3/3.8 per 36. 106/103/0.129.
Kobe: 22.5/6.3/4.9, 21.2/5.9/4.6 per 36. 110/98/.202

Conclusion: Kobe was just so much better this year. Both are still 2nd bananas, but Kobe really shined in 00 compared to T-Mac. If T-Mac was there, it would be enough of a downgrade to spell no rings.

01, also known as the year hand-check was gone year, look at that huge jump in BOTH player's per 36.
TMac: 26.8/7.5/4.6, 24.1/6.8/4.1. 109/101/.189
Kobe: 28.5/5.9/5, 25.1/5.2/4.1. 112/105/.196

Conclusion: That year, you can put Naruto next to Shaq and he'd win a ring, Kobe and T-Mac was pretty much a wash. Ring

02
T-Mac: 25.6/7.9/5.3, 24.1/7.4/4.9. 111/103/.189
Kobe: 25.2/5.5/5.5, 23.7/5.2/5.1. 112/103/.199

Conclusion: Again, almost mirror stats. The Lakers won with Kobe, they will win with an exact substitute. Ring

03
TMac: 32.1(league leading) /6.5/5.5, 29.3/5.9/5, 116/104/.262(league leading)
Kobe: 30/6.9/5.9, 26/6/5.1. 111/103/.210

Conclusion: The Lakers fought the Spurs to 6 games in the 2nd round. Whoever won this series would have won the championships (no offense to Mavs and Nets). Having T-Mac in and substitute for Kobe would be an obvious upgrade (in the tune of 0.05 ws/48 minutes, 5 more points per 100 possessions, and only giving up one more point per 100 possessions (that's 4 points better for you mathematically challenged). It's up in the air, but I would say it's very likely the Lakers would ring.

04
T-Mac: 28(league leading)/6/5.5, 25.3/5.3/5. 110/110/.151
Kobe: 24/5.5/5.1, 22.9/5.3/4.9. 112/102/.210

Conclusion: This is the year TMac certified himself as lazy on the defensive side. Subbing him for Kobe would be a downgrade for sure, they won't likely even make the finals for the chance for Kobe to showcase his legendary bricking ability with T-Mac. No ring.

05
This gets a little tricky, as Kobe ran Shaq out of town, but since we are talking about TMac with Shaq , I will compare TMac with Wade in 05/06
TMac: 25.7/6.2/5.7, 22.7/5.5/5.1. 109/101/.180
Wade: 24.1/5.2/6.8, 22.4/4.8/6.3. 109/103/.177

Conclusion: This is close, the Heat with Wade fought the Pistons to a standstill, losing in 7 games, and the Pistons lost in 7 games to the Spurs in as close a fashion as possible. If the Heat can actually beat that year's Pistons, you can argue they can beat that year's Spurs. TMac was a slight upgrade to Wade, and that just might push them over the brink. It's a maybe, but I am siding with no ring.

For the sake of it, let's put in 06 as well.
TMac: 24.4/6.5/4.8, 23.7/6.3/4.6. 102/102/.112
Wade: 27.2/5.7/6.7, 25.4/5.4/6.3. 115/105/.239

Conclusion: Let's put it this way, Wade is the only player amongst the three to have a season like this, that is, carrying a team to a championship. The numbers back it up as well. No way will TMac win a ring in 06 in place of Wade, no way.

So in conclusion, T-Mac will likely win 3 rings with Shaq as a sidekick, just like Kobe, with a very good chance of winning a 4th.