seriously, can this team win a 3 peat?

[RsxPiimp]

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g. harper
g. kobe bryant (2006-2009)
f. s. pippen
f. rodman
c. luc longley

coach phil jackson.


1st nba title kobe's matchup


Miami Heat (voshon leonard)
knicks (john starks)
orlando magic (nick anderson)

nba finals
gary payton and hersey hawkins

2nd nba title

bullets (calbert cheaney)
hawks (steve smith)
heat (voshon leonard, old dan majerle)

nba finals
hornacek and byron russell


3rd nba title

nets (kerry kittles and kendal gill)
hornets (bobby phills, dell cury)
indiana (reggie miller, jalen rose, same guy who kobe happily dropped 81 pts)



nba finals

hornacek, eiseley and russell


are you guys going to pretend, kobe wouldn't dominate these guys and win 3 straight?

come on....

[spurraider21]

lol making the finals

[RsxPiimp]

lol making the finals

seriously homie, answer the question and stop trollin man. its the freakin off season, lets talk hoop.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I'll take a stab I guess.

I have little doubt Kobe could win with that team, considering the quality of players that will guard him, although i'd say its about 50/50 against Payton who did a magnificent job on Jordan in that series, holding him to the lowest FG% of his career in the Finals.


The thing that seperated Jordan was his efficiency. Kobe may win three titles with the same core but his efficiency will be lower compared to Jordan.

[spurraider21]

lol making the finals

i cant see kobe winning without an all-nba caliber big man

[RsxPiimp]

i cant see kobe winning without an all-nba caliber big man

ok fair enough

[spurraider21]

ok fair enough
pippen is a great player, but he doesn't complement Kobe as well as he did MJ

[RsxPiimp]

I'll take a stab I guess.

I have little doubt Kobe could win with that team, considering the quality of players that will guard him, although i'd say its about 50/50 against Payton who did a magnificent job on Jordan in that series, holding him to the lowest FG% of his career in the Finals.


The thing that seperated Jordan was his efficiency. Kobe may win three titles with the same core but his efficiency will be lower compared to Jordan.

06-08 kobe> 96-98 jordan. calbert cheaney, voshon leonard, bobby phills, kendall gill, john starks, hornacek? do you realize how short and aweful these players are? anyone in that list would not even be assigned to guard the leagues top perimeter players, yet these were the players that guarded jordan in his second three peat run :lol

[RsxPiimp]

pippen is a great player, but he doesn't complement Kobe as well as he did MJ

kobe always needed a garbage man. jordan had 2 of the best garbage men in the history of the game.

rodman doesnt care about shots, matter of fact he enjoys not having to score a single point while grabbing 20 rebounds as he stated during his hof speech.


pippen was always happy creating plays and defending the other teams best perimeter player while jordan took care of the scoring load and this is proof that kobe can win as much titles as jordan without having a big man.


i'm telling you people, pippen and rodman are exactly the two type of players kobe would love to have as teammates.

[DMC]

I cannot see anyone staying around long enough to win 3 rings with Kobe. Even Phil left when Shaq did.

[DMC]

kobe always needed a garbage man. jordan had 2 of the best garbage men in the history of the game.

rodman doesnt care about shots, matter of fact he enjoys not having to score a single point while grabbing 20 rebounds as he stated during his hof speech.


pippen was always happy creating plays and defending the other teams best perimeter player while jordan took care of the scoring load and this is proof that kobe can win as much titles as jordan without having a big man.

But didn't. Also, I'm convinced your eyes are narrow and you could be blindfolded with dental floss.


i'm telling you people, pippen and rodman are exactly the two type of players kobe would love to have as teammates.
Sure, but they wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.

[RsxPiimp]

But didn't. Also, I'm convinced your eyes are narrow and you could be blindfolded with dental floss.
.

damn thats a racist comment :lol

[StrengthAndHonor]

06-08 kobe> 96-98 jordan. calbert cheaney, voshon leonard, bobby phills, kendall gill, john starks, hornacek? do you realize how short and aweful these players are? anyone in that list would not even be assigned to guard the leagues top perimeter players, yet these were the players that guarded jordan in his second three peat run :lol
But Jordan was a wiser player. Understand that when Jordan was struggling against Payton, it was because he's missing shots he normally makes. I'm not discrediting Payton who did a tremendous job but Jordan was just flat out cold in the series.

Kobe has a different mentality and Phil Jackson described it best. When Jordan was missing a good amount of his shots, he will contribute on some other facets of the game and will look for his shot when he feels the flow of the game is in his favor. Kobe otoh, will force his shots and will continue to do so until it starts dropping again.



I do agree that Jordan's defenders are weak in comparison and this is why I think Kobe will have the same amount of success against them.

[DMC]

But Jordan was a wiser player. Understand that when Jordan was struggling against Payton, it was because he's missing shots he normally makes. I'm not discrediting Payton who did a tremendous job but Jordan was just flat out cold in the series.

Kobe has a different mentality and Phil Jackson described it best. When Jordan was missing a good amount of his shots, he will contribute on some other facets of the game and will look for his shot when he feels the flow of the game is in his favor. Kobe otoh, will force his shots and will continue to do so until it starts dropping again.



I do agree that Jordan's defenders are weak in comparison and this is why I think Kobe will have the same amount of success against them.

Individual success is based on team success. Jordan didn't win 6 rings on his own. How many clutch shots has Kobe been credited for assisting? I cannot think of any. Jordan otoh...

[spurraider21]

kobe always needed a garbage man. jordan had 2 of the best garbage men in the history of the game.

rodman doesnt care about shots, matter of fact he enjoys not having to score a single point while grabbing 20 rebounds as he stated during his hof speech.


pippen was always happy creating plays and defending the other teams best perimeter player while jordan took care of the scoring load and this is proof that kobe can win as much titles as jordan without having a big man.


i'm telling you people, pippen and rodman are exactly the two type of players kobe would love to have as teammates.
Lol your biased hypothetical prediction is "proof" than Kobe can win without a big? :rollin

[Rogue]

This team (or the "leader" of this team) would have quit by the game 5 of NBA finals, if they could somehow make the finals. They may win 1 title in a fluky year, or maybe even 2, but it would be hard to imagine a team led by Kobe winning a 3 peat in a stacked league imho.

[RsxPiimp]

Lol your biased hypothetical prediction is "proof" than Kobe can win without a big? :rollin

so, do you feel kobe can't produce against the players i just mentioned?

[RsxPiimp]

This team (or the "leader" of this team) would have quit by the game 5 of NBA finals, if they could somehow make the finals. They may win 1 title in a fluky year, or maybe even 2, but it would be hard to imagine a team led by Kobe winning a 3 peat in a stacked league imho.

the league was not stacked, i just listed the teams the bulls faced from 96-98.

[D-Wade]

kobe always needed a garbage man. jordan had 2 of the best garbage men in the history of the game.

rodman doesnt care about shots, matter of fact he enjoys not having to score a single point while grabbing 20 rebounds as he stated during his hof speech.


pippen was always happy creating plays and defending the other teams best perimeter player while jordan took care of the scoring load and this is proof that kobe can win as much titles as jordan without having a big man.


i'm telling you people, pippen and rodman are exactly the two type of players kobe would love to have as teammates.

Jordan was a master at managing players, especially Rodman's antics. At the first sign of trouble, Bean throws dudes under the bus. Is Kobe back to loving Gasol this year? Stay tuned... No 3 peat.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Individual success is based on team success. Jordan didn't win 6 rings on his own. How many clutch shots has Kobe been credited for assisting? I cannot think of any. Jordan otoh...


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My response was directed to RsxPiimp (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=12644)'s take that Kobe can also have the same individual success against the same players that were assigned to guard MJ.

[spurraider21]

so, do you feel kobe can't produce against the players i just mentioned?

i don't doubt kobe can put up 30 ppg on those guys. he puts up points no matter who he's facing. i doubt his ability to be efficient and win big games without a dominant big

[AchillesHeel]

If Kirby accepts being a sidekick to Pippen, yes.

[Killakobe81]

I'll take a stab I guess.

I have little doubt Kobe could win with that team, considering the quality of players that will guard him, although i'd say its about 50/50 against Payton who did a magnificent job on Jordan in that series, holding him to the lowest FG% of his career in the Finals.


The thing that seperated Jordan was his efficiency. Kobe may win three titles with the same core but his efficiency will be lower compared to Jordan.

I agree out of the truly great players (not counting AI) Kobe has the worst shot selection by far.
A couple of notes LeBron has become even greater by improving his shot selection ...
I have always argued its been Kobe's bad shot selection not shot volume which is his biggest flaw. MJ shot a high volume and forced a few bad shots but not like Kobe ...

[Leetonidas]

Bulls ain't winning a single finals series with Kobe hogging the ball and never passing to Scotty and shooting 35% in the Finals

[TDMVPDPOY]

they wont get 72-10

[Arnold Toht]

Bulls ain't winning a single finals series with Kobe hogging the ball and never passing to Scotty and shooting 35% in the Finals

Do something about it, Lee.
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