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Trill Clinton
09-02-2013, 01:22 PM
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2012’s reigning rookie of the year is coming off knee surgery and is poised to have another breakout season. It is going to be hard to top his rookie season where he proved to be the most exciting player at his position and also one of the most accurate passers in the league.


The redskins will only go as far as RG3’s arm and knee takes him. Thankfully, he is an adept passer and one of the smarter quarterbacks in the league. He can read NFL defenses with the best of them and has the arm strength to make every throw…we don’t need RG3 carrying the ball as many times as he did last year.


If healthy, I expect less run attempts and for RG3 to throw for over 3,500 yards, 25 touchdowns with only 10 int’s. He had 7 rushing touchdowns with over 800+ rushing yards. I expect those numbers to drop the rushing touchdowns to stay the same at 7 with his yards dropping down in the 400-500 range.

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Our next QB is Russell Wilson or “Russy 2 Cold”. Another efficient and accurate quarterback, Russy is every coach’s dream. He takes care of the ball, he’s smart and mobile. He doesn’t have as much responsibility as the other black qb’s due to him being surrounded with a solid running game and a stout defense.


He lost his number 1 target, Percy Harvin, in the offseason so I expect the Seahawks to take the minimal approach and rely on their run game and defense.


Russy will keep his consistency up and throw for over 3,000 yards, 20 touchdowns with 8 int’s. His rushing numbers will also be identical to last year with 400+ yards rushing on 4 td’s.

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Next in line is the old man of the group, Mike Vick. Vick is one of my all-time favorite qb’s period. Even though he isn’t the first black qb in NFL history, he brought a different dynamic with his speed and agility to the position.


The issue with Vick has never been his skills, but his work ethic in the film room and taking the time to study the opposing defenses are his weakness.

He has a new coach in chip Kelly who is bringing an up tempo and fast play style to the team. There will be more opportunities for Vick to showcase his blazing speed in this offense, only downside is the o-line. Can Vick survived the season behind this o-line? I’m going to say no unfortunately and Vick will be relegated to standing on the sidelines munching on sunflower seeds.


I want to project his numbers playing a full 16 game season but I can’t. Vick will throw for 2,500 yards 8 td’s. He will rush for 400+ and have 3 rushing td’s before his season is ended.

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Behind RG3, Colin Kaepernick is the most exciting monkeyballer, excuse me, black qb. I remember watching his lanky ass play in Nevada and he was straight up beasting the competition. Fast forward to 2012 and he takes the 49er team to the Super Bowl, wow.

Like Cam Newton, Colin has the prototypical size for the position but what sets him apart from the ancient relics like peyton manning and tom brady, is he has the mobility along with a strong arm. If Colin can master the mental aspect of the game, he will have a long successful career with at least 1 super bowl under his belt. He has a head coach is a quarterback guru so Colin is probably in the best situation out of all the black qb’s.


Colin’s team is stacked but he has receiving weapons at his disposal so he will have more passing yards. Colin will throw for 3,000+ yards for 22 td’s and 8 int’s. He will rush for over 500+ yards and have 6 td’s rushing. Look for Colin to take his team on yet another deep playoff run.


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Next in line is Cam Newton. Cam’s 2011 was something for the record books and I doubt he’ll ever get those types of numbers again. At this point all I ask for Cam is consistency. Physically, he is a beast. He’s got the arm and running abilities to carry any team on his back but his maturity issues are a concern.

He doesn’t have that veteran who can reel him in and mentor him (steve smith is loose cannon himself). The Panthers still haven’t given Cam a big receiving target opposite of steve smith that he can rely on so I’m expecting Cam’s passing numbers to stay in the 3500+ range with 17 td’s and 15 int’s. Where he will shine is in the run game. Cam will have 800+ rushing yards with 12 td’s.


The sky is the limit for Cam and if he can prove to the naysayers that his maturity issues are behind him and he is focused on being a leader, those numbers could improve.

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Josh Freeman, the forgotten black qb. I’ll be honest and just say I really don’t like this guy as a person. I don’t know what it is. Anyways, this guy is HUGE. He’s bigger than Cam but he really isn’t that mobile. He has a rocket arm but his accuracy is shaky.

On the bright side, he had a decent season numbers wise with throwing for over 4,000 yards which put him in the top of league as far as yardage. On the downside, the jerry curled wonder threw 17 int’s.


He has big targets to throw to downfield and a capable running back to rely on when things get tough, but this is Josh Freeman we’re talking about so I’m expecting a lot of the same for this guy.


Josh will throw for 3,500+ yards with 22 td’s and 20 int’s. Never a threat to take off and run, I’ll give him 100 rush yards for the season with 0 rushing td’s.

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Terrell getting the starting nod is due to the fact that the league is turning into a mobile qb league and also this:


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Like Kevin Kolb, Flynn's NFL career has been stunted because of the black qb, yup being white, slow and having a weak arm isn't going to fly anymore. Flynn can't throw past 25 yards without giving his coach a heart attack. Oakland has a history of strong armed qb's who get the ball down the field and that is what Pryor gives him along with his agility and speed. Pryor will be asked to do a lot for this team due to McFadden AKA. Mr. Glass, getting hurt every year. Pryor is going to have to carry the bulk share of the run game while also being asked to make plays downfield to his speedy receivers. Terrell will throw for 3,000+ yards for 15 td's and 12 int's. He will rush for 700 yards and have 8 rushing td's.


ROOKIES

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EJ Manuel was the first qb taken in this year’s draft…let that sink in. Florida State isn’t known for producing elite qb’s but I think EJ will change that (Fl state has a redshirt freshman who will be a beast monkeyballer in a few years)


EJ has it the hardest out of all the black qb’s because he’s a rookie and he’s stuck in qb hell. Buffalo is cold as fuck and they have some of the worst weather conditions in the league. What EJ has is the size and arm strength to throw in those strong winds and break tackles. What he lacks is accuracy. He’s also coming off a minor knee injury so his mobility will be in question. He’s going to have to stand tall in the pocket and make the correct reads because if a play breaks down, I don’t think he has the strength in his knee to take off and make a play just yet.


With the proper coaching and with a little time, EJ can be one of the best qb’s in the league. He has his possession receiver and a few young burners but this team is very young offensively. I just don’t see the bills coaching staff giving EJ the freedom to throw the ball just yet.
I project EJ to throw for around 2,800 yards with 12 td’s and 6 int’s. He will rush for 200 yards with 3 td’s at the goal line.

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Lastly and very least is Geno Smith. This clown threw a fit because he wasn’t drafted in the first round so you can already see the maturity issues. He should be adept to playing in a cold weather city since he went to west Virginia and he has decent arm strength and he’s mobile, so that is probably one of the few positives he has.
He ran a spread style offense at west Virginia and was surrounded with speed; he won’t have that in new jersey. He has to switch to a pro-style offense with a bunch of slow pokes and he has already struggled. He isn’t that fast so I don’t expect to see him breaking long runs. All in all, he is going to cost rex ryan his job. Even though rex should have been gone 2 years ago, the blame will be put on geno’s struggles.


I almost don’t want to claim this guy because he’s going to suck so badly. Did ya’ll see him run out of bounds for a safety?!!! Since the Jets will be playing from behind all year, I’m projecting geno to throw for 3,000 yards with 10 td’s and 18 int’s. He will rush for…who gives a fuck?

J.T.
09-02-2013, 03:21 PM
What do all these guys have in common? Not one of them is winning the Super Bowl this year.

Jeff Van Gundy
09-02-2013, 04:56 PM
What do all these guys have in common? Not one of them is winning the Super Bowl this year.

BRHornet45
09-02-2013, 05:05 PM
it must really suck to be a diehard fan of a team that has a black QB.

yea you may get some nice top 10 Sports Center plays every now and then, but your team isn't going anywhere.

jeebus
09-02-2013, 06:27 PM
Geno Smith should be awesome and put up amazing stats for the weekly black QB threads.

symple19
09-02-2013, 06:32 PM
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Monostradamus
09-02-2013, 07:50 PM
I don't get how you can support Russell Wilson, he's got white people hair.

The Reckoning
09-02-2013, 09:18 PM
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Trill Clinton
09-02-2013, 10:52 PM
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mojorizen7
09-03-2013, 01:42 AM
What do all these guys have in common? Not one of them is winning the Super Bowl this year.

Bill_Brasky
09-03-2013, 01:45 AM
you forgot pryor

spurraider21
09-03-2013, 02:38 AM
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Avante
09-03-2013, 05:29 AM
Either Wilson or Kaepernick will play in this seasons Superbowl.

RGIII won't last the season, he is not a drop back passer.

Vick will win 8/9 games and look good doing it but the D will let him down.

Cam Newton will have a season similiar to his last one. Yep...stagnant.

Josh Freeman is a middle of the pack talent and will stay there.

E.J.Manuel will take some time, but will be the best QB the Bills have had since Jim Kelly.

Gene Smith will suck long and hard, he is not an NFL QB.

Pryor...see Geno Smith.

Who here saw that Winston (frosh) kid at FSU play last night? Well if you follow HS ball (that feeds the NCAA, that feeds the NFL) at all, that's what's happening. That big black kid with a rocket for an arm who can also hurt you with his legs. The days of snow white standing back there surveying the field with his 5.0 40 jets are coming to an end.

Raven
09-03-2013, 05:48 AM
what do good black qbs have in common? they all rely heavily on their D and have a stud rb
what do bad black qbs have in common? they all have a bad defense
what do all black qbs have in common? see upstairs

Trill Clinton
09-03-2013, 08:51 AM
What do all these guys have in common? Not one of them is winning the Super Bowl this year.


i'm a cowboys fan so i hope none of them win this year.

Trill Clinton
09-03-2013, 08:52 AM
you forgot pryor

he wasn't given the starter spot when i made the list. i'll update it later tonight.


Either Wilson or Kaepernick will play in this seasons Superbowl.

RGIII won't last the season, he is not a drop back passer.

Vick will win 8/9 games and look good doing it but the D will let him down.

Cam Newton will have a season similiar to his last one. Yep...stagnant.

Josh Freeman is a middle of the pack talent and will stay there.

E.J.Manuel will take some time, but will be the best QB the Bills have had since Jim Kelly.

Gene Smith will suck long and hard, he is not an NFL QB.

Pryor...see Geno Smith.

Who here saw that Winston (frosh) kid at FSU play last night? Well if you follow HS ball (that feeds the NCAA, that feeds the NFL) at all, that's what's happening. That big black kid with a rocket for an arm who can also hurt you with his legs. The days of snow white standing back there surveying the field with his 5.0 40 jets are coming to an end.

welcome back, avante. just in time for the season. you, Creepn (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14032) and myself were the mvp's of this forum last year with our support of the black qb. nobody but us saw it coming, doggie.

and yea i saw the florida state game. i remember watching Jameis in high school and seeing him on the Elite11 show. the kid is a beast and is going to be the number 1 pick when he comes out. i can't wait for the black qb haters to be salivating for him or bridgewater on their teams in a couple years:stirpot:

Trill Clinton
09-03-2013, 08:59 AM
what do good black qbs have in common? they all rely heavily on their D and have a stud rb
what do bad black qbs have in common? they all have a bad defense
what do all black qbs have in common? see upstairs

and the patriots haven't won a superbowl since spygatehttp://i39.tinypic.com/rmkav9.png

Raven
09-03-2013, 09:21 AM
and the patriots haven't won a superbowl since spygatehttp://i39.tinypic.com/rmkav9.png

yeah but you can't deny what i said right?

That's Funked Up
09-03-2013, 09:43 AM
I expect RG3 learned how to slide

FatBeaner
09-03-2013, 09:50 AM
Doug Williams did it, RG3 can do it. It's a Skins thing mufuckas...you wouldn't understand.



And RG3 not a pocket passer....lol he had back to back 4 TD games last year. I guess you weren't watching on thanksgiving either.

Trill Clinton
09-03-2013, 09:51 AM
yeah but you can't deny what i said right?

i can but i don't want to.

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spurraider21
09-03-2013, 10:42 AM
what do good black qbs have in common? they all rely heavily on their D and have a stud rb
what do bad black qbs have in common? they all have a bad defense
what do all black qbs have in common? see upstairs
tebow is a black qb, tbh

Chinook
09-03-2013, 12:57 PM
I actually wouldn't be shocked to see Freeman have the best season out of these quarterbacks. He has the most offensive talent around him, and he's due for another 2010-esque run. The others are going to have to do too much on their own.

jeebus
09-03-2013, 03:10 PM
tebow is a black qb, tbh
of what team?

spurraider21
09-03-2013, 03:25 PM
of what team?

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Avante
09-03-2013, 10:41 PM
he wasn't given the starter spot when i made the list. i'll update it later tonight.



welcome back, avante. just in time for the season. you, Creepn (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14032) and myself were the mvp's of this forum last year with our support of the black qb. nobody but us saw it coming, doggie.

and yea i saw the florida state game. i remember watching Jameis in high school and seeing him on the Elite11 show. the kid is a beast and is going to be the number 1 pick when he comes out. i can't wait for the black qb haters to be salivating for him or bridgewater on their teams in a couple years:stirpot:

Thanks bro.

You see it and I see it as does Creepn, actually anyone with two good eyes can see it. The Black QB will be taking over, we are already seeing it at the HS/NCAA level and where does the NFL get their QB's?

Gonna be a fun season watching all those who don't get making excuses.

spurraider21
09-03-2013, 10:46 PM
:lol avante was called racist for his support of black qb's :lol

Floyd Pacquiao
09-03-2013, 11:37 PM
They all go down with knee/concussion injuries imo. Even if they don't get hurt they won't be anything special this year either; on account teams will be better prepared for their gimmicky bullshit.

oh and josh freeman is nothing more than a glorified jason cambell.

Avante
09-04-2013, 12:15 AM
:lol avante was called racist for his support of black qb's :lol

I call it as it really is. Being a track fan first I'm well aware of the obvious differences.

Avante
09-04-2013, 12:16 AM
They all go down with knee/concussion injuries imo. Even if they don't get hurt they won't be anything special this year either; on account teams will be better prepared for their gimmicky bullshit.

oh and josh freeman is nothing more than a glorified jason cambell.

Haven't watched much football have you?

Chinook
09-04-2013, 12:24 AM
I actually think Freeman is a mix of Campbell and Vince Young (not really in a good way). He's the very definition of an inconsistent quarterback, and it all averages out to him being mediocre. But when he was on (2010), he had that transcendent "winning" quality that Young, Vick, Manziel and Tebow had during their good moments. His best season had him throwing for 3500 yards and 25 touchdowns with only six interceptions. Even though those numbers speak of a game-manager, anyone who watched the Bucs that year knows Freeman looked like he was more than that.

I'm not saying that he's better than average. But he set career highs last season with Jackson in the fold. If he gets his 2010 magic back, the Bucs can do a lot of damage.

Trill Clinton
09-04-2013, 08:51 AM
They all go down with knee/concussion injuries imo. Even if they don't get hurt they won't be anything special this year either; on account teams will be better prepared for their gimmicky bullshit.

oh and josh freeman is nothing more than a glorified jason cambell.

we'll see. i must admit, it was good seeing so many people in this forum eat crow last year. the hate was so strong. the future is even brighter, the 2 best collegiate qb's are black!

Bill_Brasky
09-04-2013, 09:43 AM
rg3 and kaep easily will be the best on the list.

Freeman could do pretty decent too.

Vick, Manuel, Wilson, Newton all have pretty numbers but lead their teams to mediocre records.

pryor plays for the raiders, enough said there.

geno Smith just straight up sucks and will get Rex fired.

spurraider21
09-04-2013, 10:36 AM
rg3 and kaep easily will be the best on the list.

Freeman could do pretty decent too.

Vick, Manuel, Wilson, Newton all have pretty numbers but lead their teams to mediocre records.

pryor plays for the raiders, enough said there.

geno Smith just straight up sucks and will get Rex fired.

:lol sportscenter junkie

Bill_Brasky
09-04-2013, 12:59 PM
what does that even mean

spurraider21
09-04-2013, 01:04 PM
what does that even mean

it means you come off as the type who doesn't actually watch a majority of the games, but watches their sportscenter summary instead. rg3 and kaep get most sportscenter hype from the group, so naturally they're great. the other guys are average. guy on raiders = he sucks. guy on jets = he sucks, etc.

Bill_Brasky
09-04-2013, 01:09 PM
oh, I wasn't aware that the season had started and that there were games to watch.

DPG21920
09-04-2013, 01:31 PM
it means you come off as the type who doesn't actually watch a majority of the games, but watches their sportscenter summary instead. rg3 and kaep get most sportscenter hype from the group, so naturally they're great. the other guys are average. guy on raiders = he sucks. guy on jets = he sucks, etc.

But the guy on the Raiders does suck as does the team. Badly. That is not ESPN, that is reality. Do you disagree?

spurraider21
09-04-2013, 01:36 PM
But the guy on the Raiders does suck as does the team. Badly. That is not ESPN, that is reality. Do you disagree?
I agree. was looking at his post as whole, not just that part. the raiders are god awful :lol. at least other years I had hope, especially after back to back 8-8 seasons (amazing, right?)

spurraider21
09-04-2013, 01:36 PM
oh, I wasn't aware that the season had started and that there were games to watch.
clearly talking about last season based on your assessment of said quarterbacks

DPG21920
09-04-2013, 01:45 PM
I agree. was looking at his post as whole, not just that part. the raiders are god awful :lol. at least other years I had hope, especially after back to back 8-8 seasons (amazing, right?)

Ahhh, I see. How do Raider fans feel about DMC now (in general)? Do they blame him for being seemingly lazy and not caring or is it a symptom of a sick franchise?

Bill_Brasky
09-04-2013, 01:59 PM
clearly talking about last season based on your assessment of said quarterbacks

but espn loves sucking off Russell Wilson, whereas I find him to be very mediocre. there's one hole in your theory.

spurraider21
09-04-2013, 02:02 PM
Ahhh, I see. How do Raider fans feel about DMC now (in general)? Do they blame him for being seemingly lazy and not caring or is it a symptom of a sick franchise?
he's awful at the first level. a few seasons ago our offensive line was doing well, and that's when he blew up. once the he manages to get past d-lineman, he's one of the best runners in the league. deceptive power. he doesn't have the lower body strength you'd need for him to be a "push the pile" guy like marshawn lynch, Adrian Peterson, nor does he have the lateral agility you see in a lot of great backs. poor agility/lower body strength = can't get past the d-line unless the hole is right there. as for his demeanor, he's fine, but terribly injury prone/slow healer. i'm guessing his pain tolerance is shit too, though this is a contract year. he knows damn well nobody will pay him if he has another season where he misses 3+ games. i'd be glad to bring him back, but not for franchise tag money. and no, not a product of sick franchise, that's a lame excuse. in the hue Jackson years we saw plenty of guys give tremendous effort. if you basically want to know whats wrong with the raiders, pre-superbowl blowout Al Davis was more like Jerry Buss, and post-superbowl blowout Al Davis = Jim Buss. we never even got back to the playoffs, shit free agent signings, shit drafts. always trying to reload instead of truly rebuild. this year and last year were seasons of cap casualty. 1/3 of our cap this year is dead money coming from cuts on guys like McClain, Seymour, etc. we're paying carson palmer something like 10 million this year. i'm just glad we're actually cleaning house instead of restructuring as usual

kamikazi_player
09-04-2013, 02:11 PM
It seems like most players who join the Raiders end up with career low numbers. Randy Moss being an example :lol. Daunte Culpepper is another.

spurraider21
09-04-2013, 02:12 PM
It seems like most players who join the Raiders end up with career low numbers. Randy Moss being an example :lol. Daunte Culpepper is another.
randy moss put up good numbers (but not randy moss numbers) his first year here when we still had Collins. in his 2nd and final year here, Andrew walter was our starting qb :rollin
culpepper was beyond washed up before joining the raiders :lol

kamikazi_player
09-04-2013, 02:15 PM
randy moss put up good numbers (but not randy moss numbers) his first year here when we still had Collins. in his 2nd and final year here, Andrew walter was our starting qb :rollin
culpepper was beyond washed up before joining the raiders :lol
Those are just some examples, I'm sure there are plenty more that receive record-low numbers(warren sapp)
I just would not be surprised if Darren McFadden went to another team and produced career record breaking numbers :lol

johnsmith
09-04-2013, 02:17 PM
http://i44.tinypic.com/50pssg.jpg

2012’s reigning rookie of the year is coming off knee surgery and is poised to have another breakout season.

Is it possible to have a "breakout season" right after your first "breakout season"?

Doesn't "breakout" imply that he, well, "broke out"? Like, he's proven already?

spurraider21
09-04-2013, 02:20 PM
Those are just some examples, I'm sure there are plenty more that receive record-low numbers(warren sapp)
I just would not be surprised if Darren McFadden went to another team and produced career record breaking numbers :lol
i'm pretty sure sapp had a 10 sack season for us. was serviceable at first but was in the tail end of his career anyway.

Holden_Caulfield
09-04-2013, 02:56 PM
david garrard shits on these fools. oh btw kap looks like an egyptian mummy :lol

Trill Clinton
09-04-2013, 03:12 PM
Is it possible to have a "breakout season" right after your first "breakout season"?

Doesn't "breakout" imply that he, well, "broke out"? Like, he's proven already?

nah, there were several stories of adrian peterson's season coming off the knee surgery as a "breakout season" as well. it makes sense.

DPG21920
09-04-2013, 04:42 PM
nah, there were several stories of adrian peterson's season coming off the knee surgery as a "breakout season" as well. it makes sense.

Nah. It may just be semantics, but people called AP's season "record breaking" not "breakout season". When a guy has a breakout season, the next term is usually "the next step" or "elite" or something like that. Again, it's probably semantics, but hopefully RG3 balls. He's fun to watch.

Trill Clinton
09-04-2013, 04:55 PM
Nah. It may just be semantics, but people called AP's season "record breaking" not "breakout season". When a guy has a breakout season, the next term is usually "the next step" or "elite" or something like that. Again, it's probably semantics, but hopefully RG3 balls. He's fun to watch.

yea could be semantics but i read an article recently that described AP's record breaking season as a breakout, no biggie.

J.T.
09-04-2013, 04:55 PM
Nah. It may just be semantics, but people called AP's season "record breaking" not "breakout season". When a guy has a breakout season, the next term is usually "the next step" or "elite" or something like that. Again, it's probably semantics, but hopefully RG3 balls. He's fun to watch.

This. And even if it were within the realm of physics to break out twice, it certainly wouldn't be a phenomenon that occurs in back to back seasons.

Chief Brody
09-04-2013, 10:18 PM
tbh I found that write up to be pretty decent Trill:tu You are a little overly optimistic about RG3's chances w/o seeing any live play yet, but altogether I don't have too many issues with your analysis.

Floyd Pacquiao
09-04-2013, 11:44 PM
we'll see. i must admit, it was good seeing so many people in this forum eat crow last year. the hate was so strong. the future is even brighter, the 2 best collegiate qb's are black!
Yea and tbh I dont even hate black qb's, I just really hate the read option so damn much.

Avante
09-05-2013, 03:14 AM
We will have a black QB play in the SB and one play for the National Championship. Then in next seasons draft the first QB taken....black, the second QB taken...black.

Things are changing in the NFL, the athetic QB is where thngs are heading.

spurraider21
09-05-2013, 11:34 AM
And yet the AFC is dominated by white quarterbacks, and the best QB's in the NFC are still Rodgers and Brees. One could argue Matt Ryan is better than Cam, Kaep, Wilson, RGIII as well

Trill Clinton
09-05-2013, 12:33 PM
tbh I found that write up to be pretty decent Trill:tu You are a little overly optimistic about RG3's chances w/o seeing any live play yet, but altogether I don't have too many issues with your analysis.

appreciate that fam.

Avante
09-05-2013, 12:48 PM
And yet the AFC is dominated by white quarterbacks, and the best QB's in the NFC are still Rodgers and Brees. One could argue Matt Ryan is better than Cam, Kaep, Wilson, RGIII as well

I want to put as much stress on a defense as possible. Keep them guessing. You do that with an athletic QB. I'm a firm believer in run/stop the run/win the turnover battle wins in the NFL. I want a guy back who can scoot 30 if need be, just knowing that messes with any defense. The big guys also get gassed trying to deal with a mobile QB.

spurraider21
09-05-2013, 01:28 PM
I want to put as much stress on a defense as possible. Keep them guessing. You do that with an athletic QB. I'm a firm believer in run/stop the run/win the turnover battle wins in the NFL. I want a guy back who can scoot 30 if need be, just knowing that messes with any defense. The big guys also get gassed trying to deal with a mobile QB.

And yet it hasn't really netted positive results on the whole. Of course, if your QB can run (in addition to being able to slice them through the air) its a plus, not a negative. But this new breed of uber athletic qb's haven't been able to produce SuperBowl wins, although to be fair the crop is still quite young and will have plenty of time to get there

Avante
09-05-2013, 01:37 PM
If a holding penalty is called we do see positive results, Niners/Kaepernick world champions.

johnsmith
09-05-2013, 01:39 PM
If a holding penalty is called we do see positive results, Niners/Kaepernick world champions.

If the power doesn't go out, we see a blowout.

Avante
09-08-2013, 10:12 PM
Wilson and Kaepernick looked great.

BRHornet45
09-08-2013, 10:13 PM
has the report card been released yet?

spurraider21
09-08-2013, 10:16 PM
Kaep looked great. Wilson looked great with the running game dead. Pryor looked great. Even Manuel

Chinook
09-08-2013, 10:41 PM
So many black-on-black games this week.

The Reckoning
09-08-2013, 10:45 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/2jfj02e.gif



rofl i just found out a kid i went to high school with is best buddies with this guy. his facebook page is hilarious.


but he actually has a really cute geeky girlfriend....so strange.

Trill Clinton
09-09-2013, 09:36 PM
WEEK 1 BLACK QB POWER RANKINGS



1. COLIN KAEPERNICK


2. RUSSELL WILSON

3. MIKE VICK

4. EJ MANUEL

5. GENO SMITH

6. TERRELL PRYOR

7. RG3

8. JOSH FREEMAN

9. CAM NEWTON

spurraider21
09-09-2013, 10:09 PM
WEEK 1 BLACK QB POWER RANKINGS



1. COLIN KAEPERNICK


2. RUSSELL WILSON

3. MIKE VICK

4. EJ MANUEL

5. GENO SMITH

6. TERRELL PRYOR

7. RG3

8. JOSH FREEMAN

9. CAM NEWTON
my biased ass thought pryor outplayed geno for sure. geno's D only gave up 17 points

lefty
09-09-2013, 10:09 PM
TBH Colin is not really black

J.T.
09-09-2013, 10:13 PM
TBH Colin is not really black

This, tbh. If anything Kap should be classified as adopted rather than black

The Reckoning
09-09-2013, 11:16 PM
they're all working professionals to me tbh. who cares.

Chinook
09-09-2013, 11:21 PM
WEEK 1 BLACK QB POWER RANKINGS



1. COLIN KAEPERNICK


2. RUSSELL WILSON

3. MIKE VICK

4. EJ MANUEL

5. GENO SMITH

6. TERRELL PRYOR

7. RG3

8. JOSH FREEMAN

9. CAM NEWTON

Can't disagree too much. Vick had a pretty good game, though. All in all, not that bad of a week.

HI-FI
09-10-2013, 12:48 AM
Kap does not belong on this list. Troll Chimpin just stirring up shit again.

spurraider21
09-10-2013, 02:22 AM
:lol at people on their high horse "not reducing themselves to this"

jeebus
09-10-2013, 06:29 AM
This, tbh. If anything Kap should be classified as adopted rather than black
Don't ruin it for them tbh. It'd be like introducing drug testing to collect a welfare check.

Trill Clinton
09-10-2013, 06:53 AM
:lmao@kaepernick doesn't belong. man i remember a year ago y'all were laughing at his ass and now y'all on his dick, go figure. too bad!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd0S0LwhEDU

benefactor
09-10-2013, 07:02 AM
This, tbh. If anything Kap should be classified as adopted rather than black
Yup...given a proper upbringing by the white man.

Lincoln
09-10-2013, 08:20 AM
Lets be real, we won't see the real rg3 for a few weeks as he still tries to get confidence and shake off the rust. Even AP said he wasn't himself until week 6 last year as we only saw one 100 yard game from him in the first half of the season.

What I did like was griffin playing much better in the 4th going 15-21 and lost in this abortion was he set a career high in passing IIRC. He isn't built to throw 49 times a game tho. 0-2 next week after GB I'm afraid

Trill Clinton
09-10-2013, 08:41 AM
shanahan should have let RG3 get no more than 10 snaps a game during the pre-season so he could shake some of that rust out.

tlongII
09-10-2013, 09:14 AM
RGIII will be fine. As already mentioned he just needs to shake the rust off. It was probably the right move to keep him out for all of preseason, but they might lose a couple more games because of that.

Creepn
09-10-2013, 10:58 AM
:lmao@kaepernick doesn't belong. man i remember a year ago y'all were laughing at his ass and now y'all on his dick, go figure. too bad!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd0S0LwhEDU

lol Remember when they were calling Kap a n***er last season? Now he's not one after a good week.

Trill Clinton
09-10-2013, 11:08 AM
lol Remember when they were calling Kap a n***er last season? Now he's not one after a good week.

yup, i sure do remember that. funny part is a couple 49er fans didn't even want to claim him:lol i also remember how they said he choked in the superbowl and teams would figure him out. well he didn't even have to use the read option to beat the packers:lol

its so good to watch them eat crow and jump on his dick like a trampoline now.


http://img.moviepilot.com/assets/tarantulaV2/article_images/1375173179_tumblr_m3c325veea1rrhzmyo1_500.gif

Avante
09-10-2013, 01:07 PM
First off Kaepernick is black.

Second of all the NCAA is loaded with the next wave of black NFL QB's.

For those who don't get it.....

A mobile QB simply adds another weapon to your offense. They have that ability to extend a play, wear the big guys down chasing. The days of the pocket passer is being weeded out.

spurraider21
09-10-2013, 01:48 PM
First off Kaepernick is black.

Second of all the NCAA is loaded with the next wave of black NFL QB's.

For those who don't get it.....

A mobile QB simply adds another weapon to your offense. They have that ability to extend a play, wear the big guys down chasing. The days of the pocket passer is being weeded out.

that has been the case for a long time. vast majority of these running qb's haven't panned out. last year was insane because RG3, Wilson, Kaep all broke out. This year could be similar with Manuel and Pryor though

Avante
09-10-2013, 02:09 PM
that has been the case for a long time. vast majority of these running qb's haven't panned out. last year was insane because RG3, Wilson, Kaep all broke out. This year could be similar with Manuel and Pryor though

Who didn't pan out that was given a shot at the QB position? Russell wasn't a mobile QB.

spurraider21
09-10-2013, 04:04 PM
Who didn't pan out that was given a shot at the QB position? Russell wasn't a mobile QB.

troy smith, aaron brooks (Brooks DID have some good years with the Saints though), quincy carter. some dude named Tee Martin actually started a game for the Raiders before. then flameouts like Pat White, Marcus Vick. Joe Webb. there are plenty of guys, but they were so ineffective in the NFL that they didn't play long enough to get noticed

Chinook
09-10-2013, 04:14 PM
troy smith, aaron brooks (Brooks DID have some good years with the Saints though), quincy carter. some dude named Tee Martin actually started a game for the Raiders before. then flameouts like Pat White, Marcus Vick. Joe Webb. there are plenty of guys, but they were so ineffective in the NFL that they didn't play long enough to get noticed

Not to mention Seneca Wallace, Tavaris Jackson, Colt McCoy, Stephen McGee, Josh Johnson and Dennis Dixon. The first three are barely hanging on as backups, and the others aren't even that lucky. I'm sure the flameout rate for running quarterbacks in general isn't really that much lower than it is for drop-back quarterbacks, but the number of running busts certainly feels higher. I think that's because the college system overhypes them as "dual-threats" when they're usually just the most athletic players on their teams that don't get properly developed due to lack of skill or motivation on their coaches' parts.

spurraider21
09-10-2013, 04:15 PM
Not to mention Seneca Wallace, Tavaris Jackson, Colt McCoy, Stephen McGee, Josh Johnson and Dennis Dixon. The first three are barely hanging on as backups, and the others aren't even that lucky. I'm sure the flameout rate for running quarterbacks in general isn't really that much lower than it is for drop-back quarterbacks, but the number of running busts certainly feels higher. I think that's because the college system overhypes them as "dual-threats" when they're usually just the most athletic players on their teams that don't get properly developed due to lack of skill or motivation on their coaches' parts.

colt McCoy is black?

Chinook
09-10-2013, 04:17 PM
colt McCoy is black?

Nope. Neither is McGee. Didn't know "running" was a race.

spurraider21
09-10-2013, 04:17 PM
Not to mention Seneca Wallace, Tavaris Jackson, Colt McCoy, Stephen McGee, Josh Johnson and Dennis Dixon. The first three are barely hanging on as backups, and the others aren't even that lucky. I'm sure the flameout rate for running quarterbacks in general isn't really that much lower than it is for drop-back quarterbacks, but the number of running busts certainly feels higher. I think that's because the college system overhypes them as "dual-threats" when they're usually just the most athletic players on their teams that don't get properly developed due to lack of skill or motivation on their coaches' parts.
There have been plenty of notable successes over the last 2 decades or so. Cunningman, McNair, McNabb, Culpepper. Although McNair started winning when he ran less and became "air mncair." culpepper was advertised as a dual threat but his deep ball was his bread and butter. Vick is an aberration tbh

spurraider21
09-10-2013, 04:18 PM
Nope. Neither is McGee. Didn't know "running" was a race.

well, we're in the "black quarterback thread" so I naturally assumed

HI-FI
09-10-2013, 04:18 PM
yup, i sure do remember that. funny part is a couple 49er fans didn't even want to claim him:lol i also remember how they said he choked in the superbowl and teams would figure him out. well he didn't even have to use the read option to beat the packers:lol

its so good to watch them eat crow and jump on his dick like a trampoline now.


http://img.moviepilot.com/assets/tarantulaV2/article_images/1375173179_tumblr_m3c325veea1rrhzmyo1_500.gif
You ain't talking about me. You can search my history, I've supported Kap since we drafted him, I was a fan of us getting him and think he'll bring the goods. He might have some down moments but overall I feel that he will deliver on his potential.

If anything, your boy Avante called him a gimmick player from the beginning. :lol

It's just ridiculous to claim him as a black QB, but whatever makes you feel better. Good use of the Beverly Hills Cop 2 gif though.

Trill Clinton
09-10-2013, 04:20 PM
Not to mention Seneca Wallace, Tavaris Jackson, Josh Johnson and Dennis Dixon. The first three are barely hanging on as backups, and the others aren't even that lucky. I'm sure the flameout rate for running quarterbacks in general isn't really that much lower than it is for drop-back quarterbacks, but the number of running busts certainly feels higher. I think that's because the college system overhypes them as "dual-threats" when they're usually just the most athletic players on their teams that don't get properly developed due to lack of skill or motivation on their coaches' parts.

bingo.

Trill Clinton
09-10-2013, 04:23 PM
You ain't talking about me. You can search my history, I've supported Kap since we drafted him, I was a fan of us getting him and think he'll bring the goods. He might have some down moments but overall I feel that he will deliver on his potential.

If anything, your boy Avante called him a gimmick player from the beginning. :lol

It's just ridiculous to claim him as a black QB, but whatever makes you feel better. Good use of the Beverly Hills Cop 2 gif though.

why not? barak obama has been deemed the first black president when he has a white mother. society has made it to where if one of your parents are black, then dammit your black. it is what it is.

anyways, he considerns himself black and is a member of a black fraternity, kappa alpha psi. true story.

Creepn
09-10-2013, 04:25 PM
Not to mention Seneca Wallace, Tavaris Jackson, Colt McCoy, Stephen McGee, Josh Johnson and Dennis Dixon. The first three are barely hanging on as backups, and the others aren't even that lucky. I'm sure the flameout rate for running quarterbacks in general isn't really that much lower than it is for drop-back quarterbacks, but the number of running busts certainly feels higher. I think that's because the college system overhypes them as "dual-threats" when they're usually just the most athletic players on their teams that don't get properly developed due to lack of skill or motivation on their coaches' parts.

Pryor is a perfect example of this. College coaches nearly ruined his life and career trying to turn him into a dual-threat when he went to college as a pocket passer. His numbers dropped. He got lucky somebody in the NFL saw past that.

Chinook
09-10-2013, 04:28 PM
bingo.

Seriously. People don't understand how big of an issue it is. Colleges don't properly develop offensive players anymore. They instead resort to gimmicks that takes advantage of a major dilution of defensive talent and experience. It's not just running quarterbacks. Spread quarterbacks like Landry Jones, Colt Brennan and Graham Harrell suffer too. Spread backs don't have to learn to read the front seven properly to gain massive yards. Receivers don't have to deal with being covered. It's much easier to just gadget your way to victory.

Chinook
09-10-2013, 04:31 PM
Pryor is a perfect example of this. College coaches nearly ruined his life and career trying to turn him into a dual-threat when he went to college as a pocket passer. His numbers dropped. He got lucky somebody in the NFL saw past that.

Yeah, he and Newton could have been developed a lot better in college. They both have to size and passing potential to be in the Rodgers-baller category (pocket-passers who can burn defenses with the run but don't run unless it makes sense). But why would you worry about doing that when they can just NCAA Football their way to conference titles?

HI-FI
09-10-2013, 04:37 PM
why not? barak obama has been deemed the first black president when he has a white mother. society has made it to where if one of your parents are black, then dammit your black. it is what it is.

anyways, he considerns himself black and is a member of a black fraternity, kappa alpha psi. true story.
Obama is a politician and uses whatever side works in his favor. When he wants to sound intelligent and regal, he uses the white person/Carlton voice. When he's campaigning and trying to appeal to lower classes, he uses the black voice.

If Kap considers himself black, then that's fine with me. I just think he belongs in a hybrid class unlike the others, especially since raised by an all white family from fucking Wisconsin/Northern Cali. Either way, I've been a fan of Kap from the start and don't consider him a monkeyballer. He's the real deal.

Chinook
09-10-2013, 04:38 PM
There have been plenty of notable successes over the last 2 decades or so. Cunningman, McNair, McNabb, Culpepper. Although McNair started winning when he ran less and became "air mncair." culpepper was advertised as a dual threat but his deep ball was his bread and butter. Vick is an aberration tbh

Cunningham started winning more after he broke his leg and became more of a pocket-passer, too. McNabb could run, but he used his speed more to be elusive in the pocket than as a legitimate part of the offense. In that way, he was pretty much what Rodgers has perfected.

The results are the same, success or fail, black or white. Actual running quarterbacks tend to have disappointing careers. (Vick's has been disappointing, as he was a first pick who's missed the playoffs six out of nine years as a starter.) Actual pocket-passers tend to do better. The fact that people choose to label blacks are "running" and whites as "passing" only obscures this fact.


well, we're in the "black quarterback thread" so I naturally assumed

Indeed.

Chinook
09-10-2013, 04:39 PM
Obama is a politician and uses whatever side works in his favor. When he wants to sound intelligent and regal, he uses the white person/Carlton voice. When he's campaigning and trying to appeal to lower classes, he uses the black voice.

If Kap considers himself black, then that's fine with me. I just think he belongs in a hybrid class unlike the others, especially since raised by an all white family from fucking Wisconsin/Northern Cali. Either way, I've been a fan of Kap from the start and don't consider him a monkeyballer. He's the real deal.

Dwight Howard is the real deal (on the court), too. Doesn't stop him from being a monkey-baller.

HI-FI
09-10-2013, 04:54 PM
Dwight Howard is the real deal (on the court), too. Doesn't stop him from being a monkey-baller.

Monkey-balling is more beneficial in the NBA, i consider the NFL to be more cerebral, at least at the QB position. Howard would've probably won a title by now if not for relying so much on his monkeyballing. I actually kind of like Howard and think he'll get better under McHale, finally be a more complete player.

lefty
09-15-2013, 11:43 PM
Ok Kap is black after all

spurraider21
09-16-2013, 01:06 PM
not a great sunday for the black qb tbh. Only EJ Manuel played well and won. Other winning QB's (Wilson, Pryor) didn't look very good

lefty
09-16-2013, 04:37 PM
not a great sunday for the black qb tbh.
We hear that every week

Chief Brody
09-16-2013, 04:38 PM
Ok Kap is black after all
:lol

Chief Brody
09-16-2013, 04:39 PM
Real talk, the read option will be totally eradicated from the NFL by 2015...NFL DC's are already chewing it up for the most part.

Trill Clinton
09-16-2013, 04:47 PM
WEEK 2 BLACK QB POWER RANKINGS



1. MIKE VICK


2. RUSSELL WILSON

3. COLIN KAEPERNICK

4. EJ MANUEL

5. CAM NEWTON

6. GENO SMITH

7. TERRELL PRYOR

8. RG3

9. JOSH FREEMAN

Trill Clinton
09-16-2013, 04:49 PM
Real talk, the read option will be totally eradicated from the NFL by 2015...NFL DC's are already chewing it up for the most part.

real talk, i'm happy your squad got ej manuel. a lot of the non black posters look up to you, so ej kinda gets a pass for having mediocre or even horrible games. i doubt there will be many "lol ej" threads or posts around here.

Raven
09-16-2013, 04:51 PM
Real talk, the read option will be totally eradicated from the NFL by 2015...NFL DC's are already chewing it up for the most part.

indeed, it was a one and done thing.

Trill Clinton
09-16-2013, 04:55 PM
indeed, it was a one and done thing.

how so? its still working this year, so....

Chief Brody
09-16-2013, 05:20 PM
real talk, i'm happy your squad got ej manuel. a lot of the non black posters look up to you, so ej kinda gets a pass for having mediocre or even horrible games. i doubt there will be many "lol ej" threads or posts around here.

Thanks fam...if you've watched any of the first 2 games EJ has been used almost exclusively as a pocket passer. I wasn't expecting that at all tbh and it bodes well for his longterm success in the NFL. I'd be lying if i said i didn't want to see his athleticism evey now and then, but Marrone and Hackett want him to go to that well only for escapability purposes as of now.

Chief Brody
09-16-2013, 05:23 PM
how so? its still working this year, so....

Not nearly as well as last year...read option offenses have looked subpar thus far this year. Like any other gimmick (wildcat, et al), give NFL DCs a year and a half of game film and they'll start exploiting its weaknesses.

HarlemHeat37
09-16-2013, 05:26 PM
Ya, Kaepernick hasn't been running much on the option, and Wilson has abandoned it to conserve his health(according to the announcers)..RG3 can't even run anymore, tbh..

Not just a case of DCs adjusting, but it seems like teams are afraid of their QBs getting hurt, especially with the way RG3 looks so far following his injury..

Trill Clinton
09-16-2013, 05:32 PM
Thanks fam...if you've watched any of the first 2 games EJ has been used almost exclusively as a pocket passer. I wasn't expecting that at all tbh and it bodes well for his longterm success in the NFL. I'd be lying if i said i didn't want to see his athleticism evey now and then, but Marrone and Hackett want him to go to that well only for escapability purposes as of now.

he was never a runner in college either. he is a pocket passing qb with the threat of running.

Trill Clinton
09-16-2013, 05:33 PM
Not nearly as well as last year...read option offenses have looked subpar thus far this year. Like any other gimmick (wildcat, et al), give NFL DCs a year and a half of game film and they'll start exploiting its weaknesses.

the first game of the season the 9er's didn't use the read option that much at all. the only team i see that is relying on the read option this year are the raiders.

Avante
09-16-2013, 06:39 PM
I'm watching all these high school games, what are we seeing...yep!

Look at ND, Michigan, FSU, Miami, UCLA, Ohio State, Louisville, Clemson.

By 2020 half the QB's in the NFL will be black.

Raven
09-16-2013, 06:39 PM
the first game of the season the 9er's didn't use the read option that much at all. the only team i see that is relying on the read option this year are the raiders.

from what i have seen it's just as it was expected, dc are not calling running qbs plays because they are afraid of them getting hurt, the only time they do run is when they see they suck at passing (like kaep against the seahawks) or when the O-line can't give any protection at all (raiders). The thing is, linebackers are faster and rush less so when qbs actually decide to run, they get so close to being rammed so many times that it must send a red alert to dcs. Vick, Kae, and Smith have been beaten up pretty bad most of the time. The only one that seemed to use it properly was Wilson, but i don't expect that to last.

DPG21920
09-16-2013, 07:27 PM
WEEK 2 BLACK QB POWER RANKINGS



1. MIKE VICK


2. RUSSELL WILSON

3. COLIN KAEPERNICK

4. EJ MANUEL

5. CAM NEWTON

6. GENO SMITH

7. TERRELL PRYOR

8. RG3

9. JOSH FREEMAN


Terrible. EJ is a winner. He is ahead of both 2 & 3. Plus these rankings suck without perspective. Need a grade by their performance IMO, not just a rank. You can be number 3 but have a horrific game (aka Kap)

Trill Clinton
09-16-2013, 09:33 PM
Terrible. EJ is a winner. He is ahead of both 2 & 3. Plus these rankings suck without perspective. Need a grade by their performance IMO, not just a rank. You can be number 3 but have a horrific game (aka Kap)

i keep the rankings vanillas. no point in going in depth for black qb's here. just a waste of keystrokes.

DPG21920
09-16-2013, 09:34 PM
Ah, I thought you were going to break people off with actual knowledge.

Trill Clinton
09-16-2013, 09:38 PM
nah

symple19
09-17-2013, 01:21 PM
Russel Wilson's wife. Dude is giving Phyllis Rivers a run for the QB with the most busted partner

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/russell-wilson-wife-ashton-meem.jpg

http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/EC/C8A4EF71E011FF448463F138B55CAC_h316_w628_m5_cjbjVp nXn.jpg

spurraider21
09-17-2013, 01:36 PM
:lol salt

DPG21920
09-19-2013, 10:41 PM
Vick responsible for 3 turnovers and another loss despite having an offense perfectly suited for whatever talent he actually has.

DUNCANownsKOBE
09-19-2013, 10:43 PM
Russel Wilson's wife. Dude is giving Phyllis Rivers a run for the QB with the most busted partner

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/russell-wilson-wife-ashton-meem.jpg

http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/EC/C8A4EF71E011FF448463F138B55CAC_h316_w628_m5_cjbjVp nXn.jpg
That mouth doe

I'll bet she can suck Abraham Lincoln off a penny

symple19
09-19-2013, 10:45 PM
Vick responsible for 3 turnovers and another loss despite having an offense perfectly suited for whatever talent he actually has.

:lmao

Avante
09-19-2013, 10:54 PM
It's time Chip Kelly realized these aren't Pac12 defenses he's playing against and cool the silliness.

fevertrees
09-22-2013, 10:24 PM
What's the team records of monkeyball led teams vs QB led teams?

AchillesHeel
09-24-2013, 08:09 AM
Geno Smith 2 - 1
RG0-3 - 0 - 3
Kaep - 1 - 2


lol

spurraider21
09-24-2013, 10:52 AM
It's time Chip Kelly realized these aren't Pac12 defenses he's playing against and cool the silliness.

Harbaugh should take the same lesson

spurraider21
09-24-2013, 10:53 AM
Geno Smith 2 - 1
RG0-3 - 0 - 3
Kaep - 1 - 2


lol
Pryor 1-2... and he's arguably looked the best out of the bunch this year :lol

spurraider21
09-26-2013, 02:02 AM
http://i.imgur.com/vtgaEhk.gif

Holden_Caulfield
09-26-2013, 02:11 AM
jaguars qb teddy bridgewater is currently 3-0 yall

Avante
09-26-2013, 02:42 AM
Russsell Wilson or Kaerpernick will play in the Superbowl.

spurraider21
10-07-2013, 11:07 AM
:lol Pryor climbing the ranks

Spur-Addict
10-07-2013, 11:14 AM
:lol Pryor climbing the ranks

#3 Ceiling tbh

johnsmith
10-07-2013, 11:15 AM
I've noticed that the lighter the skin, the more success they seem to have in the NFL.

Spur-Addict
10-07-2013, 11:20 AM
I've noticed that the lighter the skin, the more success they seem to have in the NFL.

Yes, because Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb and Doug Williams didn't have good careers.

johnsmith
10-07-2013, 11:22 AM
Yes, because Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb and Doug Williams didn't have good careers.

I was talking about today's NFL...geez, can't you stick to the present in any of these threads?

Spur-Addict
10-07-2013, 11:25 AM
I was talking about today's NFL...geez, can't you stick to the present in any of these threads?

Why should I? LOL

And Josh Freeman is fair skinned yet he hasn't had the same success as Wilson.

Spur-Addict
10-07-2013, 11:34 AM
Also, what kind of success did RG3 have pre knee in comparison to Freeman? I think it was equal to Freemans best season, 10 wins, debunks that skin statement.

johnsmith
10-07-2013, 11:36 AM
Also, what kind of success did RG3 have pre knee in comparison to Freeman? I think it was equal to Freemans best season, 10 wins, debunks that skin statement.

Lol...thanks for "debunking" what was obviously a well thought out post by me.

Spur-Addict
10-07-2013, 11:37 AM
Lol...thanks for "debunking" what was obviously a well thought out post by me.

Maybe I should ask you every time you post, what's serious, and what's not? LOL

johnsmith
10-07-2013, 11:43 AM
Maybe I should ask you every time you post, what's serious, and what's not? LOL

Or just, ya know, think about it.

spurraider21
10-07-2013, 11:45 AM
#3 Ceiling tbh
probably. i was never terribly high on pryor. i wanted him as the starter this season because i knew we wouldn't be a good team, so we might as well have some fun for a year. plus, better to give a young kid a season long audition than play some scrub like Flynn or keep Palmer. that said, Pryor has looked better than I thought he would, especially considering the state of our offensive line (:lol if Seahawks think THEY have it bad with o-line injuries), and with how terrible our ground game has been, plus the lack of a true #1 receiver.

Spur-Addict
10-07-2013, 11:45 AM
Or just, ya know, think about it.

There you go again with these lofty outlandish requests.

Spur-Addict
10-07-2013, 11:50 AM
probably. i was never terribly high on pryor. i wanted him as the starter this season because i knew we wouldn't be a good team, so we might as well have some fun for a year. plus, better to give a young kid a season long audition than play some scrub like Flynn or keep Palmer. that said, Pryor has looked better than I thought he would, especially considering the state of our offensive line (:lol if Seahawks think THEY have it bad with o-line injuries), and with how terrible our ground game has been, plus the lack of a true #1 receiver.

NO debate there, you guys definitely have a serious situation. I didn't think Pryor would amount to much either. Although, it's still early, but you can see the potential. I bet you were chucking objects at the TV when your Raiders drafted DHB.

spurraider21
10-07-2013, 11:53 AM
NO debate there, you guys definitely have a serious situation. I didn't think Pryor would amount to much either. Although, it's still early, but you can see the potential. I bet you were chucking objects at the TV when your Raiders drafted DHB.
yeah. i've been a proponent of drafting a fatfuck defensive lineman for a while now. i really wanted Raji that year, wanted Ngata over Huff during that draft, and wanted Lotulelei this year. that said, if we were going to draft a receiver (because our leading WR the previous year was Johnnie Lee fucking Higgings), Crabtree was the obvious choice during that draft. Harvin, Maclin, Nicks were all there too.

Spur-Addict
10-07-2013, 11:57 AM
yeah. i've been a proponent of drafting a fatfuck defensive lineman for a while now. i really wanted Raji that year, wanted Ngata over Huff during that draft, and wanted Lotulelei this year. that said, if we were going to draft a receiver (because our leading WR the previous year was Johnnie Lee fucking Higgings), Crabtree was the obvious choice during that draft. Harvin, Maclin, Nicks were all there too.

Are you already looking towards next years draft?

spurraider21
10-07-2013, 12:01 PM
Are you already looking towards next years draft?
yes and no. this season is a big audition for a lot of guys, so i want to see how it plays out. want to see if Pryor can sustain what he's been doing. a lot of our new guys on D are on 1 year deals. so i'm still having fun with this year, knowing we aren't a competing team anyway. we need to address the trenches, bad. we cant get any pressure with our front 4 alone, and our guards are probably the worst in the NFL right now

Spur-Addict
10-07-2013, 12:06 PM
yes and no. this season is a big audition for a lot of guys, so i want to see how it plays out. want to see if Pryor can sustain what he's been doing. a lot of our new guys on D are on 1 year deals. so i'm still having fun with this year, knowing we aren't a competing team anyway. we need to address the trenches, bad. we cant get any pressure with our front 4 alone, and our guards are probably the worst in the NFL right now

As of now, who do you think is likely to stick for next years team?

spurraider21
10-07-2013, 12:15 PM
As of now, who do you think is likely to stick for next years team?
Lamarr Houston, Jared Veldheer are virtual locks to be brought back. If Charles Woodson wants to lace em up for another year, they'll reward him. They'll probably bring back Tracy Porter and Mike Jenkins (both were signed to 1 year deals, and its not like we have plenty of alternatives). I believe we have Kevin Burnett already locked up for another year, we have Roach for a few. We already extended Marcel Reece. McFadden is good as gone. I doubt Jacoby Ford will be brought back. While I hope they focus mostly on the trenches, they also have a need for a true #1 receiver. Somebody who can win jump-balls. Tight end is a question mark. Had high hopes for Ausberry but he's been injured every year, so thats another concern